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Thursday, October 4th, 2012, 00:00 UTC

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mattwj2002:

hey guys

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mattwj2002:

I found a presidental preview online

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mattwj2002:

would you like to see

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mattwj2002:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5gXRPXs0PQ

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** mattwj2002 is recording the debate on 3 channels at the same time **

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wisenuts:

mattwj2002: why?

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wisenuts:

lulz

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mattwj2002:

because I can

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mattwj2002:

:P

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wisenuts:

what tuners are you using?

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mattwj2002:

hdhomerun dual and homerun prime

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mattwj2002:

I think the dual it the right one

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mattwj2002:

the original one

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mattwj2002:

4 programs at once baby yeah!

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

even more if they are on the same multiplex

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mattwj2002:

in theory up to 20

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wagnerrp:

5

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mattwj2002:

right

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mattwj2002:

4 X 5 = 20

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wagnerrp:

5x2 + 3x1

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mattwj2002:

nope

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wagnerrp:

prime can only record one show per tuner

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mattwj2002:

5 X 2 + 5 X 2 = 20

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wagnerrp:

(when used with a cablecard)

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wagnerrp:

prime has _three_ tuners

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mattwj2002:

I don't have a cablecard

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mattwj2002:

:)

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wagnerrp:

three

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wagnerrp:

not two

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mattwj2002:

I use to but not currently

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp I have two physical boxes

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mattwj2002:

original hdhome run the one with two connectors

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wagnerrp:

one with two tuners, one with three

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wagnerrp:

so five tuners total

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mattwj2002:

in additional I have a hdhomerun

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mattwj2002:

prime

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mattwj2002:

(5 + 5) + (5 + 5 + 0 (no cable card installed))

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mattwj2002:

make sense

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mattwj2002:

?

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wagnerrp:

three tuners

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mattwj2002:

yes

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mattwj2002:

but!

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mattwj2002:

you can't physically use the cable card tuner without a cable card!

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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mattwj2002:

oh crap

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mattwj2002:

crap crap crap

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mattwj2002:

I don't have the hdhomerun prime :(

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mattwj2002:

I forgot

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mattwj2002:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_dcr2650.html

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mattwj2002:

I have that instead

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wagnerrp:

the USB one

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mattwj2002:

yeah

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mattwj2002:

it is so similar I forgot

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mattwj2002:

sorry I didn't mean to lie

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wisenuts:

anyone use a cable card?

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mattwj2002:

I use to have one

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mattwj2002:

it was freaking awesome

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mattwj2002:

I recorded stuff on tons of channels

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monkeypet:

wisenuts: yes, I use a cable card with the HDHR.

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monkeypet:

prime.

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wisenuts:

and what does everyone use for commercial detection? Thats most accurate?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv

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mattwj2002:

wisenuts getting a cable card going is a pain

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mattwj2002:

it took me a few hours with comcast

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wisenuts:

wagnerrp: logo detection?

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monkeypet:

mattwj2002: i walked into a branch office and took 1min to come out with one.

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mattwj2002:

no that part was easy

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monkeypet:

mattwj2002: Activated it with comcast in 15 mins.

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wagnerrp:

just mythtv's internal detection defaults

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mattwj2002:

I meant getting it actived

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mattwj2002:

activated

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mattwj2002:

I ended up talking to like 3 idiots until I found a guy that knew something

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mattwj2002:

then it was like 15 minutes or less

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monkeypet:

Super easy! I would recommend a cablecard!

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mattwj2002:

me too

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

well worth it

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mattwj2002:

I would have one.....but I don't need it right now

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monkeypet:

I love it so much!

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mattwj2002:

I don't have any encrypted channels

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mattwj2002:

that I am subscribed to

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mattwj2002:

:)

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monkeypet:

i think comcast charges me $1/month to rent the cablecard. Multiple mythtv frontends can watch LiveTV.

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mattwj2002:

I only get 20 channels right now

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mattwj2002:

if I had a full package

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mattwj2002:

I definitely would have a cable card

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wisenuts:

wagnerrp: Isn't there multiple ways to flagg commercials

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wisenuts:

I worry to much is getting cropped out

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mattwj2002:

wisenuts yes there is

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wisenuts:

30 min shows are like 19–21 minutes

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wisenuts:

seems crazy

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wagnerrp:

there are a couple different strategies you can use

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wagnerrp:

but typically everyone just uses the default

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wagnerrp:

21 minutes sounds about right

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wagnerrp:

besides, it's not like mythtv removes the video

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mattwj2002:

*sneezes*

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wagnerrp:

it just marks it for the player to skip that section of video

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wagnerrp:

it's completely non-destructive

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wisenuts:

i destroy my commercial but lists

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wisenuts:

:)

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wisenuts:

i run mythutil --gencutlist

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mattwj2002:

:O

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wagnerrp:

well that's your own stupid fault then

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wisenuts:

and then mythtranscode --honercutlist

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mattwj2002:

how big is your hard drive wisenuts?

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wagnerrp:

there's good reason why that behavior is not built into mythtv, and you have to force it to behave that way

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wisenuts:

well why waste the space on commercials

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wagnerrp:

because the commercial detector isn't reliable

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wagnerrp:

if you want to cut commercials, spend the few minutes developing a proper cutlist in edit mode

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wisenuts:

mattwj2002: 2TB

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mattwj2002:

so why do you need to save space?

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wagnerrp:

because 2TB only gets you ~300hrs of recordings

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mattwj2002:

2 weeks worth isn't enough?

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wisenuts:

I like to keep my stuff i've recorded.

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wagnerrp:

nope

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mattwj2002:

buy more hard drives

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wisenuts:

i just try to be efficient with my space

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wisenuts:

I'll keep entire seasons

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wisenuts:

and I record most series

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wisenuts:

also, I stream to my family members who are cheap skates

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J-e-f-f-A:

Alright, I bit the bullet and ordered a Ceton InfiniTV 4 PCIe ... and will pick up a cablecard on Saturday... we'll see what VZ Fios has to offer as 'copy freely' come Saturday...

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mattwj2002:

J-e-f-f-A O_o

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J-e-f-f-A:

If all goes well, my HD-PVRs will be hitting eBay next week. ;-)

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mattwj2002:

aren't you from reprap?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: whathca mean, willis?

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mattwj2002:

#reprap

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mattwj2002:

nevermind

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: hehehe, nope. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

If all goes well with the cablecard, I'll go from $23.98/month for two cable boxes to $3.99 for 1 cablecard, and have twice the tuners. ;-)

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mattwj2002:

nice

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wisenuts:

those ceton cards look nips

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J-e-f-f-A:

And I suspect the recordings will be smaller as delivered by the provider than the HD-PVRs are capable of creating on-the-fly.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... too bad Jarod doesn't seem to be here anymore, I'd ask him if he knows what he gets C/F in his area – he's only about 30 miles from me...

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mattwj2002:

J-e-f-f-A where are you at?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: Central MA – about 25 miles from Boston

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mattwj2002:

ah

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mattwj2002:

I am in Minneapolis

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mattwj2002:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

I was there once... in about 1992. ;-)

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wisenuts:

mattwj2002: I'm in St Cloud woot woot

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mattwj2002:

what?

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mattwj2002:

:O

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wisenuts:

werd

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mattwj2002:

St Cloud!

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mattwj2002:

nice

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wisenuts:

not really, but ok haha

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mattwj2002:

you watching the debt on KARE 11?

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

*debate

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wisenuts:

i stopped, so very boring

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wisenuts:

catching up on revolution

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mattwj2002:

41 is local to St Cloud I believe

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mattwj2002:

I love that show

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mattwj2002:

it is my favorite right now

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

ion is there somewhere I think

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wisenuts:

I only get 1–22 through charter. i'm cheap

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wisenuts:

got private trackers for the rest

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mattwj2002:

I have comcast here in the metro

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mattwj2002:

basically the same thing

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wisenuts:

hows your internet speeds

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mattwj2002:

I only have 12 Mbps

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mattwj2002:

with Centurylink

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mattwj2002:

Comcast has 105 Mbps though

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J-e-f-f-A:

woah... I guess I haven't done a '

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mattwj2002:

$199 per month :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

pull' in a while... 0.26-rc2 and 0.26, plus 0.27-pre branches? wow

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mattwj2002:

I could get 20 from Centurylink

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mattwj2002:

but I am cheap

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

uplink sucks

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J-e-f-f-A:

I've got Fios with 35/35 with a bundle with TV for $129 iirc... if I dropped TV it'd be about $60/month for 35/35

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mattwj2002:

896 kps up

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mattwj2002:

nice J-e-f-f-A

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wisenuts:

wow J-e-f-f-a

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mattwj2002:

you could do a direct HDHomeRun stream to the Internet

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mattwj2002:

;)

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mattwj2002:

hehe

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wisenuts:

who's ur isp?

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wisenuts:

verizon?

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mattwj2002:

verzion

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mattwj2002:

fios = verzion

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, FiOS is nice. If I move to my grandmother's house, I won't be able to get FiOS, so I'll have to switch to Charter and suffer with 20M/768K grr.

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mattwj2002:

hey at least you are not my dad

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mattwj2002:

1.5 Mbps

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

I think he might be able to get 10 though

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J-e-f-f-A:

But I wouldn't have the expense of a house that's >2K/month...

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mattwj2002:

but that is what he has now!

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J-e-f-f-A:

At my church we have crappy DSL – we're lucky if we get 3Mbps – typically only 2Mbps.

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mattwj2002:

ouch J-e-f-f-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

Only other option is Charter cable – and they want $99/month for a 'corporate' account that's 25/768

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mattwj2002:

churches believe in the Internet?

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mattwj2002:

:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

er 25M/768K

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: yep, mine does. ;-)

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mattwj2002:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: Mostly email checking, occasional youtube or stream, nothing serious.

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mattwj2002:

got ya

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mattwj2002:

some churches even stream the service

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mattwj2002:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: but we're hosting a webcast at the end of the month, and it's 3Mbps... when testing, I have to pause it for 30+ mins so that it doesn't pause to buffer every 10 seconds... grr..

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mattwj2002:

:(

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: we hope to be able to stream some day, but the 'real' services want top $ – and ustream sux as they insert disruptive commercials...

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mattwj2002:

youtube live?

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** J-e-f-f-A raises an eyebrow and googles... ;-) **

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mattwj2002:

youtube.com/live/

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mattwj2002:

www.youtube.com/live/

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mattwj2002:

oh crap

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mattwj2002:

the debate was there too

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J-e-f-f-A:

debate for what? /me ducks and hides as he laughs. ;-)

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mattwj2002:

debate between a tard sandwich and gaint douche

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs some more. ;-) **

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mattwj2002:

good night all

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mattwj2002:

bye!

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monkeypet:

is there some debate tonight :)

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bodiless:

Test

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bodiless:

Hi everybody!

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bodiless:

Anyone using a Haupauge 1100?

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FinnTux:

bodiless, I have one of those but not currently using it

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bodiless:

Hi FinnTux, OK I just joined here today and asked because I have great difficulties setting a mythtv system at home. I tried a year ago with no success and since a week again but again without any success, despite reading every possible howto. So, just logged in here to see if I could possibly find help.

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bodiless:

I will not ask any question right now but later today when I will be sitting at the box and start trying again

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justinh:

nnggggggg. Installed Ubuntu server on a VM & ran out of disk space. Trying to keep the image size down for distribution & foolishly thought 2GB would be enough for a LAMP server

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justinh:

why is it so... bloaty? :-/

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justinh:

I was really content with my OpenSuSE installer CD I created but our CEO kyboshed it & said we must use Ubuntu. For reasons he's keeping to himself

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justinh:

heheh well I've managed to put a thing in mythweb's guide grid view.. gonna need an onclick() to make it actually do something – and make some code to generate a form & post it

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justinh:

I know there'll be limitations with a simple record instigation button in this page but I hope I can have input once I've got the ball rolling

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justinh:

you want new features? have a go doing em yourself. It's fun & you might learn new skills

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bodiless:

justin, I don't know if this is relevant but I recently found out that you actually can increase the size of a VM. Add another disk in the same controler, but the WM with gparted and merge the two disks and off you go.

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bodiless:

justin, sorry "boot the VM" instead of "but the VM"

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Sharky112065:

is there a way to check the status of the databse without using mythweb? mythweb is taking forever to load when I choose settings ==> database

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Sharky112065:

its been going for an hour now

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Sharky112065:

normally it does not take this long

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Sharky112065:

ug. this is not good. stopped mythbackend and tried to restart it and it just hangs and hardlocks. I wonder how to repair the mysql database?

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Sharky112065:

found it but it is hanging. I ran the following.

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Sharky112065:

mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -p<password> mythconverg

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Sharky112065:

went through a bunch of tables and said ok, but is now hung on what ever is past mythconverg.oldfind

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stuartm:

Sharky112065: it's probably not hung, just processing a very large table (recordedseek maybe)

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stuartm:

you could restart the mysqld daemon if it's truely stuck

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Sharky112065:

ok, ill let it roll on for a bit. its been about 30 min now

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Sharky112065:

I only have about 20 shows recorded

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Sharky112065:

I tried this "SHOW FULL PROCESSLIST" as one google posting suggested to see if there were queued process pending that would hold it up, but all I get is the > prompt again

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Sharky112065:

also is there a guide/wiki entry that explains how to backup the database manually? I would like to run a cron job daily to back it up until I can contact adaptec to find out why this is happening. this is the 4th time I have had to repair. and the first time it did not work

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Sharky112065:

mythconverg.oldprogram is next and is only 27,878 records. so should not have taken that long. I just stopped mysql then killed all remaining mysql processes and restarted it again. gonna re run the repair

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maab:

I'll apologize in advance for any protocol errors, I'm unfamiliar with irc. I'm trying to use Schedules Direct and find that very often the capsule summary of the listed program is completely wrong, meant for some other program. Is this common?

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wagnerrp:

as in the wrong show? or it just gives information for a generic episode of the correct show?

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maab:

Completely the wrong show. Like a synopsis for a cooking show in lieu of the blurb for an episode of The Good Wife. Maybe that's humour.

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Sharky112065:

stuartm: thank you. stopping mysql and restartng it then doing the repair worked. any pointers to a link wxplaining how to manually backup the database?

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wagnerrp:

sounds like you gave the channel the wrong XMLTV ID number

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maab:

wagnerrp: Umm, well, the show name, channel and broadcast time are all correct, why would only the episode description be so off? Is that all the XMLTV ID is used for?

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stuartm:

Sharky112065: you want to run the mythconverg_backup.pl script which should be installed somewhere on your system (varies according to distro)

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Sharky112065:

stuartmL nvm. found the wiki entry on database backup

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wagnerrp:

oh, only the description is wrong... in that case, file a ticket with schedules direct

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Sharky112065:

stuartm: yep I can get it now. thanks so much for the help. I was panicing

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maab:

wagnerrp: Well, yes, that would be the _right_ thing to do. :>

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wagnerrp:

they'll push it upstream to tribune, who will investigate what happened

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Sharky112065:

I may have a bad raid controller. because I have another program that has its own database and it gets screwed up at the same time mysql'd table does. I will work with adaptec to find a solution or rma it tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

why is my disk getting hammered?

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wagnerrp:

oh, MFD is running

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maab:

tnx

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Seeker`:

has anyone emse experienced 500 errors when trying to view recorded programs in mythweb?

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Seeker`:

looks like it is trying to allocate too much memory

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bodiless:

Test

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Mousey:

FAILED

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bodiless:

Mousey, it failed indeed :-)

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Mousey:

bummz0rs

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monkeypet:

git slow today.

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justinh:

0.26 is out already? I must've been asleep or something

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monkeypet:

it was released this week, quietly.

[19:35:32]

justinh:

hmm better plan to get my distro base sorted out so I can upgrade

[19:35:54]

justinh:

must've been quietly. I check in on the user's ML most days

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monkeypet:

I don't think it was announced, a user stumbled on the wiki page changes.

[19:36:29]

monkeypet:

(that is how I found out)

[19:36:44]

justinh:

I saw a spanish language post on twitter. lol

[19:36:51]

justinh:

I think it was spanish anyway

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stuartm:

not so much quietly as the release was tagged on Tuesday but we waited a day for the mirror to sync the tarballs before posting the release announcement

[19:47:10]

stuartm:

not much point making the announcement if the tarballs weren't available

[19:47:25]

wagnerrp:

except, we dont want people using the tarballs anyway

[19:47:58]

stuartm:

well yeah :)

[19:49:00]

stuartm:

there was also the fact that I was too tired on Tuesday night to write up the announcement, so it didn't appear until midday Wednesday

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wizbit:

my god 0.26.0

[19:50:23]

wizbit:

is 0.26 totally different to 0.25 ? should i wait for 0.26.1 for it to be more stable?

[19:51:40]

stuartm:

not a lot has changed externally, most changes are behind the scenes, hidden from users

[19:51:49]

wizbit:

ok

[19:52:04]

wizbit:

i will wait for 0.26.1 before i install

[19:52:23]

wizbit:

will i need to upgrade the db schema

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wizbit:

from 0.25 to 0.26

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stuartm:

you can wait if you want, I'm not guaranteeing stability but there was a long beta/rc stage (a few weeks) so if there are outstanding issues blame the beta testers :)

[19:53:00]

stuartm:

wizbit: yes

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stuartm:

there's a significant change in the DB, not so much the schema as a change to all dates/times stored in the DB – I'd really recommend using packages if you're not comfortable inserting the timezone data into the mysql internal tables (it's missing by default on some distros)

[19:54:53]

wizbit:

stuartm: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TBS6984 . . . uner_TV_Card

[19:54:59]

wizbit:

do you know if that card is any good?

[19:55:04]

wizbit:

wrong one

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wizbit:

hold on

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wizbit:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TBS6284

[19:55:52]

wizbit:

wow

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wizbit:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/images/f/fd/Tbs6284-2.jpg

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stuartm:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MySQL_Time_Zone_Tables

[19:56:36]

stuartm:

wizbit: sorry no, I've no experience/knowledge of that particular card

[19:58:19]

stuartm:

wizbit: google search for "TBS6284" throws up a lot of results

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wizbit:

yes, good results

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wizbit:

qaud tuner on 1 pcie card, amazing

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wizbit:

*quad

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stuartm:

£155 ... hmm, think I'll stick with what I've got now

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stuartm:

the price of these cards new is still IMHO too high

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wizbit:

im sure they will come down

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stuartm:

for £155 I could buy four complete DVRs from the local supermarket

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wizbit:

heh

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stuartm:

it's not that I don't understand the concept of supply/demand, volume sales etc but purchasing decisions are as much emotional as they are pragmatic, and I just can't bring myself to spend £155 on a TV tuner knowing that the raw components don't amount to a twentieth of that

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stuartm:

look at the Raspberry Pi for example, a full fledged computer (albeit not very powerful) which is considerably more sophisticated but which costs £25 and was produced in relatively tiny batches (the smaller the batch, the higher the production cost)

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justinh:

oh nice. Not. I told JWPlayer not to install any toolbars or junk so what did it do? GRRRRRRRR

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stuartm:

really? That's not cool

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stuartm:

guess the sooner we switch to HTML5 only the better

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monkeypet:

wagnerrp: where was the announcement sent out to?

[20:29:05]

monkeypet:

I must have missed it in mythtv-users

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justinh:

anyway after installing the player, the HLS test page still didn't acknowledge it was installed

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justinh:

so bin that :-)

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justinh:

I guess to test HLS I'm going to need another client, and there don't seem to be any desktop ones

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frontrange:

Does anyone know if it is possibe to use a Hauppauge 1212 HD-PVR with a cable box to access PPV content?

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wagnerrp:

sure, you can record PPV just like you can record any other video coming out of your STB

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wagnerrp:

of course that's of no use to mythtv

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frontrange:

That's what i mean, using Mythtv

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frontrange:

I suppose I could use a laptop to capture, then transfer the file over to Myth afterwards, just wondering if there was any other way

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no way of knowing what the menu structure of the PPV system on your cable box is, in order to be able to programmatically record off it

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justinh:

mythtv isn't well suited to being a VCR

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stuartm:

It's not really a feature of MythTV to record unscheduled input, since recording PPV content is a violation of user agreements it's not something we'd even consider supporting

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frontrange:

Understand, just wondering if you could record without metadata, then add a title later. Like hitting a record button on the VCR

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justinh:

it'd be easier to do it another way

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frontrange:

OK, just checking...

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wagnerrp:

you can... but it's a horribly painful thing to manage

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wagnerrp:

better off just renting the movie

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wagnerrp:

or watching it directly on the cable box

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frontrange:

That's what PPV is without the trip...

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wagnerrp:

right... rental, not storage

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frontrange:

I never seem to stay awake though to the end and comcast expires the move too soon.

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wagnerrp:

if it's too boring to stay up and watch, perhaps it's not worth catching the end

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frontrange:

Maybe I'm just too old to stay awake

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frontrange:

BTW, I been doing a HW refresh on my now very old MythTV setup and have to say I'm really impressed with Zotac ATOM/ION ZBOX as FE's.

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monkeypet:

frontrange: how much is it?

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monkeypet:

frontrange: is it fanless? I am looking for another fanless frontend that isn't a raspberry pi.

[20:50:38]

frontrange:

I got some discontinued ones (so-called Refurb) off ebay for around $150 ea.

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frontrange:

I'm using a 16GB SD memory card as boot disk, and 2GB SODIMM, total is less than $200 and just has a small fan on the nvidi ION

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monkeypet:

1080p?

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monkeypet:

also fanless or not?

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frontrange:

The first one is running in the family room on a 32" using 1368X768X60HZ, next one will be on a 52" plasma. No CPU fan, just an Nvidia fan, totally quiet

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stuartm:

<frontrange> ... <snip> ... and just has a small fan on the nvidi ION

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justinh:

oh look, we have a new channel rescan to ignore :-)

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justinh:

they're renumbering freeview channels *AGAIN*

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stuartm:

blame Sky, it was supposed to be one reshuffle but Sky filed a protest meaning that only half the changes went ahead in the first shuffle

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stuartm:

I wish they'd sync up the numbers with Freesat

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bodiless:

Hello people! Would some one help me troubleshoot setting up mythtv on a debian system? I am at a complete loss ...

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justinh:

stuartm: I wish they'd sack the crap channels

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justinh:

we need maybe 15 channels

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justinh:

bodiless: start with specifics

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justinh:

1. does the tuner hardware work in linux? confirm this first. nothing to do with mythtv

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bodiless:

OK The tuner seems to work, not with mythtv though. I have tested with xawtv and tvtime and can watch tv

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justinh:

stuartm: anyway, seems like they can do what the heck they like with LCNs.. won't affect myth :-)

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bodiless:

The tuner is a hauppauge 1100 (the triangle one)

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justinh:

ugh. a hybrid tuner. so you've only tested it in analogue mode

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bodiless:

yes where I live there aren't any digital channels. I thing there 1–2 experimental ones only

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bodiless:

This is why I bought it ...

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justinh:

unfortunately tonight my mind-reading powers are a little weak, so you'll have to tell the channel what you're having problems with besides 'getting mythtv to work' ;-)

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bodiless:

I've gone through endless tests to make a channels.conf file but when I run e.g. w_scan -ft -c GR > channels.conf I get only 4 channels written (which are not the many analog ones I can watch with xawtv)

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justinh:

is wscan even for analogue TV?

[21:10:45]

justinh:

besides that, a channels.conf file is NO use for analogue TV within mythtv

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justinh:

whatever guide you were following which told you to get a channels.conf file with w_scan & import it into mythtv, maybe they forgot to say it's only for digital TV – and even besides that – absolutely nobody should still be doing that nowadays

[21:13:54]

justinh:

try mythtv's scanner first

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monkeypet:

bodiless, what guide were you following?

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bodiless:

OK I see ... Lets start from somewhere. Lets assume that the card is working since I can watch tv with xawtv

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justinh:

and to get EPG data allocated to channels, you'll have all the 'fun' of assigning xmltvids to the scanned analogue channels

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bodiless:

monkeypet, I followed any possible guide I could find. This is my 3rd attempt to get mythtv running the last year and I am already spending all nimy nights since more than a week to follow guides ...

[21:15:31]

justinh:

right, so then it's a case of going through all the steps in mythtv-setup starting at menu item number one

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bodiless:

yes exactly

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bodiless:

I think the problem must be the card. When I run mythtv-setup it sees it as "DVB DTV Captur card (V3.x)

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bodiless:

and the location being /dev/dvb/adaptor0/frontend0

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justinh:

it doesn't see' anything at all

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bodiless:

No?

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justinh:

it finds devices & presents a dropdown list for *you* to choose

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bodiless:

OK then what do I choose?

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justinh:

V4L

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bodiless:

I have tried this as well but then when I run mythbackend it says it cant find /dev/dvb/adaptor0/frontend0

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bodiless:

I will post some error messages from mythbackend command

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justinh:

then you didn't go through the steps correctly I suspect

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bodiless:

Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'

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bodiless:

V4LChannel(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Failed to query capabilities.

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justinh:

you have to keep going to the NEXT button, until you get to FINISH

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justinh:

bodiless: that's because the tuner type was set wrongly

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bodiless:

ChannelBase: CreateChannel() Error: Failed to open device /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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justinh:

so stop right there. go back into capture card setup, delete anything in there & re-add the card as the correct type and go all the way to the finish button

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bodiless:

What else type should I try then? The other types don't look relevant

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justinh:

I can't remember what the correct choice is for an analogue tuner, but I DO know it's not DVB, IVTV, or IPTV

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justinh:

it's probably V4L (Analogue) or something akin to that

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bodiless:

The only chiose it has for V4L is "Analog V4L capture card" should I choose this one?

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justinh:

yes

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justinh:

I couldn't remember the exact wording

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bodiless:

OK and what do I put in video device?

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bodiless:

By the way in Probed info: I see "Failed to open"

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justinh:

if there's only one tv tuner it'll likely pick up the correct one

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justinh:

make sure the user you run mythtv-setup as is a member of the 'video' group

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bodiless:

should I leave the vdeo device empty then?

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justinh:

should be /dev/video0

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justinh:

so select that

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justinh:

would've thought it'd have highlighted that already

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bodiless:

I am user nikos and here are my groups (nikos cdrom floppy dip video plugdev scanner netdev vboxusers mythtv)

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justinh:

you'll also need to ensure that nothing else is using the tuner

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justinh:

and that the user mythbackend will eventually run as also has access privileges for it by being a member of the video group

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bodiless:

there is no drop down menu so should I type it in?

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justinh:

there should be

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bodiless:

well there is but its empty

[21:28:21]

justinh:

anyway, I'm off to bed. was woken up at silly o'clock today

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bodiless:

OK thanks justin ... any other helpers?

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bodiless:

When I run xawtv it says: vid-open-auto: using analog TV device /dev/video0

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bodiless:

so I;ll try to pu this in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

bodiless: are you trying to do analog or digital?

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bodiless:

analog

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wagnerrp:

what tuner card?

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bodiless:

hauppauge 1100 (or 1110) I am not sure any more

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wagnerrp:

not worth bothering with

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bodiless:

Really? Where I live there is only analog. Digital should have been here since 2009 but we are still waiting ...

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wagnerrp:

but you have a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

if you want to do analog, you really want a hardware encoder

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bodiless:

Whats a framegrabber? (pardon my ignorance ...)

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wagnerrp:

a hardware encoder captures the audio and video, compresses it, multiplexes it, and feeds mythtv an easy-to-use MPEG file

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wagnerrp:

a framegrabber captures the audio and video... and then leaves mythtv to do the rest

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bodiless:

So you are suggesting that I need to buy a framegrabber?

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wagnerrp:

im suggesting you have a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

you _can_ use it for recording in mythtv, but it's advised against

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bodiless:

Oh I see. Well, I bought this card cause I was reading that its working with linux ... probably I was not reading carefull or in the right places.

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devinheitmueller:

It should work in Linux. It is just not a great choice for MythTV because it doesn't have an encoder.

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bodiless:

OK because I have spent so many of my nights trying to see mythtv working I don't want to abandon this project so easy. I wouldn't mind trying with another card. Would it be to much to ask you suggesting one? One with an encoder?

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bodiless:

Just to check quickly if I can get one here locally ...

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bodiless:

By the way I am placed in Greece ... :-)

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devinheitmueller:

bodiless: It should work, it's just advised for people to use hardware with encoders. That said, there are people using framegrabbers.

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bodiless:

I know it should work, thats what I read in the guides its just me that can't figure out how ...

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devinheitmueller:

For analog you want to use a v4l device type associated with /dev/video0. For digital you want to select DVB for /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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bodiless:

OK I cleaned everything and starting over again following the guide at mythtv. First problem. I am trying to set the initial database with the distribution specific way (debian) and after $mysql < mc.sql I get "bash: mc.sql: No such file or directory"

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devinheitmueller:

In short, you don't want to use the IVTV type, and you definitely don't want to try to use the V4L type with /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0.

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bodiless:

Yes, lets go step by step because before when I used the V4L type with /dev/video0 I got errors again.

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bodiless:

So how to I set the initial database? The $mysql < mc.sql doesn;t work. Should I use the other way I was using so far? mysql -u root -p; grant ALL on mythconverg.* to mythtv@localhost;

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bodiless:

set password for 'mythtv'@'localhost'=password('mythtv');

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bodiless:

flush privileges;

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bodiless:

\q;

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bodiless:

Hi again ... With the help of devinheitmueller I think I made some progress. The card seems to be recognised this time and i eventually got to the step where it performs a scan for channels. I tried an initial one with East Europe frequency but it didn't find any channels. Now I am trying with "try-all" and it got up to 625 but nothing yet. Will this go for very long? And why doesn't it find any channels?

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

boy boxee works nice with upnp and mythtv

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mattwj2002:

:)

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