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| [00:00:44] | joki: | some dvb-s2 recordings from 0.24 don't work in vlc. is this fixed in 0.25? |
| [00:01:25] | KungFuJesus: | Had a weird database bug a few days ago where it swallowed my recordings, not really sure how it happened and I can't find any log of it happening :-/ |
| [00:01:33] | KungFuJesus: | some of my recordings* |
| [00:01:34] | KungFuJesus: | not all |
| [00:07:16] | wagnerrp: | that wasn't a bug, more an issue of not actually supporting opengl |
| [00:07:41] | wagnerrp: | that slow transition was the result of using a software emulation of opengl |
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| [00:11:41] | KungFuJesus: | ah |
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| [01:36:44] | tmonkeype69: | Need to name the mythtv releases! Yay! |
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| [02:16:32] | dj_segfault: | Hey. Got a big problem. I fairly recently installed myth 0.25+fixed on a new Ubuntu 12.04 system after running earlier versions for years on 10.04. I have a PVR-350. One thing I noticed is that it logged to syslog, and Google says to reboot if that happens. After doing so, it wouldn't record anything. It says it is but none of the files are saved. I tried "mplayer /dev/video0" and I saw the incoming signal f |
| [02:17:47] | dj_segfault: | I also have a problem with mythfilldatabase not adding more days of data, even with dd-grab-all, but one thing at a time. |
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| [02:50:09] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [02:50:41] | Hilikus: | i can't find any documentation on the "identifiable episode" filter. is this documented somewhere? |
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| [03:32:45] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what that is |
| [03:32:50] | wagnerrp: | any context? |
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| [03:40:32] | aormond: | I'm having a problem with my frontend losing connection with the backend… typically when starting video playback. It can then take 1–2 minutes for reconnection. |
| [03:40:44] | wagnerrp: | remote frontend? |
| [03:40:52] | aormond: | Single box. |
| [03:41:51] | aormond: | Connecting on 127.0.0.1 |
| [03:43:57] | aormond: | frontend log : http://pastebin.com/uqhdxzi8 |
| [03:59:19] | aormond: | This is with version v0.25.2-25-g0817eb2 , Mythbuntu 11.04. It doesn't do it every time I play a video, but at least once a day. It was doing the same thing (or something similar) with recordings in early August, but now it only does it when starting a video. |
| [04:04:52] | wagnerrp: | there is a known issue where the backend protocol server will deadlock, resulting in that behavior |
| [04:04:56] | wagnerrp: | it is unknown what causes it |
| [04:05:08] | wagnerrp: | some race condition we have yet been unable to trace down, or for that matter, even reproduce |
| [04:05:39] | wagnerrp: | although it tends to be limited to CentOS users |
| [04:05:47] | wagnerrp: | what kernel are you running? |
| [04:07:39] | aormond: | 2.6.38-15-generic (I hope that's what you mean) |
| [04:08:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, was wondering if it was maybe something specific to the 2.6.32 kernel that comes with centos |
| [04:08:08] | wagnerrp: | 32 or 64 bit? |
| [04:08:35] | aormond: | 64 |
| [04:09:19] | aormond: | I saw those CentOS messages in the mailing list earlier. It does sound very similar. |
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| [05:10:07] | bre: | Hi guys, I need help with setting up a tv tuner could anyone be of assistance? |
| [05:11:43] | wagnerrp: | we can answer specific questions |
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| [10:56:46] | Kelerion: | morning sausages! |
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| [13:57:57] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: you were right about the captcha |
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| [13:58:09] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: oh? |
| [13:58:18] | devinheitmueller: | Meaning we don't have one? |
| [13:58:35] | wagnerrp: | the captcha was enabled, but it was never actually told to use recaptcha |
| [13:58:41] | devinheitmueller: | Ah. |
| [13:58:46] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that might help with the spam. |
| [13:58:56] | wagnerrp: | so instead, it was using the "simple" default that it warns you never to use in production |
| [13:59:05] | wagnerrp: | that was a simple ascii text math question |
| [13:59:06] | devinheitmueller: | Don't get me wrong, it's just a suggestion – since you're the one who spends all the time to filter out the spam. |
| [13:59:15] | devinheitmueller: | cool. |
| [13:59:20] | devinheitmueller: | Well, hopefully it might help a bit. |
| [13:59:38] | wagnerrp: | no, we used to use recaptcha, and there were even codes in the config file to access it |
| [13:59:51] | wagnerrp: | it just got screwed up at some point, likely when i updated the wiki |
| [14:00:35] | devinheitmueller: | cool |
| [14:01:06] | wagnerrp: | only one new account made since i fixed it |
| [14:01:16] | devinheitmueller: | nice |
| [14:01:42] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah I saw the math problem and figured that couldn't be right. |
| [14:06:48] | devinheitmueller: | Like I said though. I hope that helps. It's a real b**ch to keep an eye on the recent changes with all the spam. |
| [14:07:09] | wagnerrp: | works fine for me, all i have to do is hide my own edits |
| [14:07:10] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [14:07:15] | devinheitmueller: | heh |
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| [14:33:32] | wagnerrp: | devin: see the guy on the mailing list who needs digital external channel changer support for the box that outputs on digital channel 3? |
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| [16:02:54] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: yeah, I saw. I totally appreciate the nature of why people don't understand how that stuff works. |
| [16:03:05] | devinheitmueller: | It's not intuitive unless you are familiar with the underlying technologies. |
| [16:03:30] | devinheitmueller: | Let's face it, 90% of people in the world can't wire up their VCR. |
| [16:04:04] | wagnerrp: | well, they're just not paying attention |
| [16:04:29] | wagnerrp: | if you're paying attention, you see that your tv has some channels with two numbers, and some with only one number |
| [16:04:31] | devinheitmueller: | Unless they *like* this sort of thing, I wouldn't expect them to give a s**t about such things. |
| [16:04:50] | wagnerrp: | the observant person could know nothing about the technology |
| [16:05:00] | wagnerrp: | but would realize there is something different between the two |
| [16:05:33] | devinheitmueller: | Also, many TV's, especially if you have cable boxes, don't show digital channels in the X.Y format. |
| [16:05:42] | devinheitmueller: | They just know that NBC is channel 504. |
| [16:05:52] | wagnerrp: | true |
| [16:06:24] | devinheitmueller: | For years I had no idea what cable companies meant when they said "digital cable". I assumed it meant that I could get an on-screen program guide. |
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| [16:06:42] | devinheitmueller: | After all, why should I care? |
| [16:07:05] | devinheitmueller: | The level of understanding required to get MythTV properly setup makes all sorts of assumptions such as this. |
| [16:07:22] | devinheitmueller: | Wow, that sentence was broken. :-/ |
| [16:07:35] | wagnerrp: | i do agree with that, particularly with having to choose scan parameters |
| [16:07:47] | wagnerrp: | that's something that could really use simplification |
| [16:07:54] | devinheitmueller: | I meant to suggest that getting MythTV properly setup requires the user to have an understanding of all sorts of things a general user would normally not carea about. |
| [16:08:31] | devinheitmueller: | Even the notion of DVB vs. analog. Most people have never heard of DVB, let alone will they realize that is what they should use for ATSC/ClearQAM. |
| [16:08:40] | wagnerrp: | there's a lot of improvements that should be done to mythtv-setup |
| [16:08:57] | wagnerrp: | but no one wants to touch that code since it's due for obsolescence |
| [16:09:05] | devinheitmueller: | Well, I was under the impression that we weren't making any such investment because mythtv-setup was going to go away. |
| [16:09:13] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [16:09:22] | devinheitmueller: | Is that going to happen anytime soon? |
| [16:09:27] | devinheitmueller: | E.g. the next 12–24 months? |
| [16:09:33] | wagnerrp: | with luck, 0.27 |
| [16:09:41] | wagnerrp: | depends on how long the release schedule for that is |
| [16:09:50] | devinheitmueller: | And in whatever new is being created, has anybody actually published a flowchart showing the proposed workflow? |
| [16:10:25] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [16:11:00] | wagnerrp: | part of the reason this stuff has been in there for a year and a half, and is only partially completed |
| [16:11:12] | devinheitmueller: | That would be really useful. What we have now is the product of a process that evolved over years, not something that was planned that way from the start. If somebody is going to scrap the whole thing and redesign it, then it would make sense to have a real plan first. |
| [16:11:47] | devinheitmueller: | A simple flowchart can do wonders in avoiding getting caught with your pants down when you realize you didn't think of some particular use case. |
| [16:12:19] | devinheitmueller: | But hey, this isn't my project and I'm not telling anybody what to do. Just a suggestion from a casual observer who has some experience in this area... |
| [16:13:25] | wagnerrp: | hand written, or do you have some nice utility in mind? |
| [16:14:00] | devinheitmueller: | I'm always a fan of Visio, but the content is really what's important. Draw something by hand and scan it in for all I care. |
| [16:14:14] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, I know Visio isn't free or for Linux. ;-) |
| [16:15:05] | wagnerrp: | is that something newer that 2007? |
| [16:15:15] | wagnerrp: | or does it not come in the stock office? |
| [16:15:29] | devinheitmueller: | I use 2007, but it didn't ship with Office. |
| [16:15:58] | devinheitmueller: | Unfortunately, even in 2012, the copy of Visio I had in 1996 works *WAY* better than I've ever seen Dia work. |
| [16:16:30] | devinheitmueller: | Which I'm trying to decide is just pathetic or a little bit sad. |
| [16:16:44] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if doxygen has any such capability |
| [16:17:20] | devinheitmueller: | I actually tried using Dia a few months ago for some flowcharting, and gave up after 30 minutes of trying to draw boxes and the text for the box not being connected to the box itself (so the text didn't move if you moved the box) |
| [16:17:42] | wagnerrp: | heh, may as well use gimp at that point |
| [16:18:06] | devinheitmueller: | Graphviz is pretty nice too, but I usually use that for showing data sets as opposed to flow charts that are intended to be consumed by non-engineers. |
| [16:18:14] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I was really shocked how bad it was. |
| [16:18:22] | sid3windr: | dia and kivio are hell |
| [16:18:29] | sid3windr: | can't beat visio, unless on osx |
| [16:18:36] | devinheitmueller: | I was all about, "Well I'll just use an open source tool instead of procuring a copy of Visio." |
| [16:18:43] | sid3windr: | there's something but I forgot the name on osx that is really really nice |
| [16:19:10] | devinheitmueller: | Openoffice Draw isn't horrible. I've used it for a number of diagrams, but it is bad for flowcharts because it doesn't have autoconnected lines. |
| [16:19:14] | wagnerrp: | seems graphviz can be integrated with doxygen |
| [16:19:17] | devinheitmueller: | (e.g. lines that move when you move the boxes) |
| [16:19:32] | wagnerrp: | might be a good idea to start putting organizational flow charts into the code, to be rendered automatically |
| [16:19:37] | wagnerrp: | as part of the documentation |
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| [16:22:25] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I've used the graphviz integration with Doxygen. It's pretty nice. |
| [16:22:32] | devinheitmueller: | (shows class hierarchies, etc) |
| [16:22:44] | devinheitmueller: | I don't know enough about MythTV's codebase to know how useful it would be. |
| [16:25:53] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: For the mythtv-setup stuff though, I'm not proposing any form of code level workflow definition. I would probably just flow chart out what the *user experience* is and you can usually spot the holes pretty easily. |
| [16:26:44] | devinheitmueller: | E.g. is the user asked what type of device he has first, or do we do some form of discovery and find the devices and let them say "Yes, I have an HVR-1600", and then you ask them about analog vs. digital. |
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| [16:27:38] | devinheitmueller: | I don't know if you've ever seen it, but the WinTV application that ships with all the Hauppauge products has a pretty reasonable wizard for getting the device setup. |
| [16:28:07] | devinheitmueller: | (I'm not saying to copy it specifically, but it would be worth a look to see the questions they ask, what order they are asked in, and the general user experience). |
| [16:33:39] | stuartm: | our setup is currently awful, everyone acknowledges that, but working on improvements to the user experience seemingly isn't as fun/interesting as low level stuff that the end user isn't ever going to be aware of |
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| [16:36:58] | stuartm: | there's no auto-detection/auto-setup at all, we don't even ask the user to pick their device from a list of all possible options but instead a device type from a badly worded list e.g. "Analogue V4L Capture Card" or "DVB Capture Card" |
| [16:37:38] | stuartm: | neither of which is self-evident to a first time user, and the latter being completely erroneous |
| [16:38:50] | stuartm: | the setup re-write lost all momentum and sadly now it seems no-one plans to complete it |
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| [16:39:20] | skd5aner: | I never get artwork for new recordings anymore :P |
| [16:39:27] | skd5aner: | anyone have any ideas what to look for? |
| [16:39:42] | skd5aner: | the shows have valid inetrefs when I create the rules |
| [16:40:41] | stuartm: | skd5aner: it's black magic, but there are 3 or 4 different settings controlling whether the artwork lookup actually happens, is it possible that any of those have been changed? |
| [16:41:24] | stuartm: | does mythmetadatalookup work if run manually? Check the logs to see if artwork lookup/fetch jobs are failing for some reason? |
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| [16:47:14] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea, I THINK all the settings are set correctly, per the wiki |
| [16:47:46] | skd5aner: | yea, let me try to do some manual runs... the logs that it spits out on the automated runs aren't particularly enlighting, or are cryptic to me at least |
| [16:51:27] | skd5aner: | stuartm: were there many changes to metadata and artwork retrieval for .26? |
| [16:51:43] | stuartm: | none at all that I can recall |
| [16:52:01] | stuartm: | maybe some minor fixes to the artwork grabbing scripts |
| [16:52:03] | skd5aner: | anyone even willing to adopt it? |
| [16:53:05] | stuartm: | wagnerrp is re-writing the tvdb grabber for the new API, but that's the extent |
| [16:53:26] | skd5aner: | so, what is the latest on release? |
| [16:53:35] | skd5aner: | I've been completely off IRC for at least a month |
| [16:54:02] | stuartm: | skd5aner: any day now, probably this coming Monday, we tend to aim for releases at the beginning of a week |
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| [16:54:47] | skd5aner: | cool, glad to see the day finally come |
| [16:55:11] | stuartm: | things are pretty dysfunctional otherwise, we seem to have lost a lot of momentum :( |
| [16:56:21] | Hydr0p0nX: | you can have some of mine |
| [16:57:33] | skd5aner: | stuartm: fyi, a manual run pulled all the artwork |
| [16:57:43] | skd5aner: | well, not all of it, but most of it |
| [16:59:28] | skd5aner: | yea, sucks to hear about all of that stuartm... pretty disheartening |
| [16:59:37] | wagnerrp: | no im not, there is no new tvdb api or grabber |
| [17:00:05] | wagnerrp: | stuartm, skd5aner; ^^^ |
| [17:02:27] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: weren't you working on something? |
| [17:02:34] | skd5aner: | related to a new API version? |
| [17:02:36] | skd5aner: | for a grabber? |
| [17:02:40] | wagnerrp: | tmdb, not tvdb |
| [17:02:52] | skd5aner: | yea, thought that might have been the case |
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| [17:21:28] | skd5aner: | so, what else is new around these parts? |
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| [18:44:34] | lapion: | so anyone have any advice for suspend strategies ? |
| [18:46:06] | lapion: | or other power saving strategies ? |
| [18:52:25] | lapion: | anyone ? |
| [18:54:29] | dekarl1: | lapion, try no to let EIT scanning reset the idle timer |
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| [18:55:29] | lapion: | The display power saving works fine.. |
| [18:55:49] | dekarl: | I had a backend shutdown when idle with 0.24, worked very well. |
| [18:56:28] | lapion: | however I want to schedule that on nights that there are no recordings, and wakeup at 4:00 in the morning |
| [18:58:00] | dekarl: | you want to force your backend to not record at night? that's simple, just remove the program guide for the hours you want the backend to be down |
| [18:58:01] | lapion: | there are also problems whenever live-tv is aborted, in which case I have to manually reenable dpms and restart the frontend |
| [18:59:35] | lapion: | dekarl whenever there are no recordings during the night that it suspends the system to ram. |
| [19:00:44] | dekarl: | oh ok, I was shutting down completely and setting the BIOS to wake up similar to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup |
| [19:00:59] | lapion: | but also wakes up in the morning just before the required mythfilldatabase run |
| [19:01:27] | lapion: | and sometimes whenever watching tv late at night that it will not just go to suspend |
| [19:01:38] | dekarl: | I think the housekeeper will set a wakeup for the mfdb run, or it will be run in time for the next recording. Don't remember which way it was |
| [19:02:07] | dekarl: | as long as a frontend is playing something the system isn't idle, worked well. with remote frontends, too |
| [19:02:59] | lapion: | If I set auto-suspend the system will suspend even during frontend playback |
| [19:04:16] | dekarl: | you are talking about mythtv's integrated shutdown/wakeup or something else? |
| [19:05:38] | lapion: | system power saver |
| [19:05:56] | lapion: | and screen saver |
| [19:06:20] | wagnerrp: | no, you have to use mythtv's internal support |
| [19:06:36] | wagnerrp: | because mythtv has to be able to manipulate the system time to wake back up at the correct time |
| [19:07:32] | dekarl: | and to avoid the system turning off while you are still watching |
| [19:08:07] | lapion: | so I would have to remove/disable all screen/energy saver packages/daemons from the system |
| [19:09:05] | dekarl: | the screensaver should be ok (depends on the screensaver), but you must turn off automatic suspend/sleep |
| [19:09:55] | lapion: | is it possible to schedule when the system is allowed to suspend ? |
| [19:10:54] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, the ideal setup is a detached backend that just stays online all the time |
| [19:11:01] | wagnerrp: | and frontends that you turn on and off with your remote |
| [19:11:03] | dekarl: | you can lock/unlock the system with a simple call to mythshutdown |
| [19:12:33] | lapion: | anything allready in place with which to select times that the system is allowed to suspend ? |
| [19:12:49] | wagnerrp: | cron |
| [19:13:06] | wagnerrp: | add one cron line at one time to stop auto-shutdown |
| [19:13:13] | wagnerrp: | add another line at another time to enable it again |
| [19:14:21] | lapion: | backend uses 150 watt... |
| [19:14:49] | wagnerrp: | yikes, time to upgrade |
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| [19:20:04] | lapion: | I used to use a laptop (45watt) |
| [19:20:53] | lapion: | now I need to try to squeeze 66% downtime out of the the system |
| [19:22:59] | wagnerrp: | what CPU? how many drives? |
| [19:25:39] | lapion: | right now I am using an AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+ and K8M800 chipset |
| [19:26:06] | wagnerrp: | what is that, circa 2004? |
| [19:26:41] | lapion: | 1 ide , 2 sata hdd, 1 ide cdrom + 1 firewire hdd |
| [19:26:59] | wagnerrp: | even still, the CPU itself should be idling around 50W |
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| [19:27:11] | wagnerrp: | tack on 6–10W for each of those four hard drives |
| [19:27:18] | wagnerrp: | assuming they arent getting spun down |
| [19:27:39] | lapion: | latest bios is 2008 |
| [19:28:05] | wagnerrp: | i would expect a big chunk of that consumption is due to a very cheap power supply |
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| [19:29:41] | lapion: | I was thing of experimenting with a ps of a system that uses a 90w external 19v adaptor |
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| [19:30:04] | wagnerrp: | not enough power under load |
| [19:30:24] | wagnerrp: | you could cut it that low with modern hardware, but not that old 1st gen Ath64 |
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| [19:38:03] | lapion: | hmm approx 22w when powering down 1 hdd |
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| [20:06:42] | lapion: | hmm maybe time to compile a kernel with cpu power saving modules |
| [20:07:17] | sphery: | back on irc... now if only I could remember who it was I sent my modified copy of irssi trackbar.pl to (since I lost it in my HDD crash) |
| [20:13:33] | lapion: | grepping my logs gave me nothing :-P |
| [20:14:34] | sphery: | hehe, found it--google search with irc.mythtv.org domain got it |
| [20:14:51] | sphery: | which is good because I also lost 8(?) years of irc logs with the HDD :) |
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| [20:17:40] | sphery: | mag0o_: If you happen to notice this message, I would love to get a copy of trackbar.pl (the irssi script I sent you that shows where you last read to)... I lost my modified version in a HDD crash (and didn't have a backup). You can send it to me at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv (please put MythTV in subject so I don't lose it :). Thanks. |
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| [22:00:11] | stuartm: | wait, the oracle is broken? |
| [22:00:58] | stuartm: | whose going to answer all my questions? |
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| [22:11:21] | sphery: | hehe... yeah, soon you'll all see it's not that I had a good memory--just good logs |
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| [23:11:21] | Galaxian8080: | I am looking into installing mythTV for the first time. I am trying to setup a system where I can sync my recordings between my office and home. Not really finding a whole lot of documentation on the website about setting up slave databases. |
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| [23:13:01] | Galaxian8080: | Home -> Master DB with all of my media saved| Work -> Smaller database with just select media stored from the master database. |
| [23:13:39] | Galaxian8080: | that way I am not streaming it.. Can somone point me in the right direction about where to find information on this configuration? |
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| [23:27:55] | sphery: | Galaxian8080: we don't support "disconnected" or "multiple master" setups... What you could do is just throw recordings from home into Video Library of the office system |
| [23:28:17] | sphery: | Video Library is the location for "not recorded by this MythTV system" videos |
| [23:28:28] | sphery: | (i.e. user-managed/user-supplied videos) |
| [23:31:29] | Galaxian8080: | Thanks Sphery , |
| [23:32:16] | Galaxian8080: | Looks like, I am going to try to setup a remote connection over ssh/fuse and just copy the files to the office |
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| [23:33:03] | sphery: | Galaxian8080: if you use mythlink.pl to create user-friendly file names for the recordings, then copy such that it copies the files (and not just the links) using the link name, you can then throw the recordings into Video Library and it should be able to find the video metadata for you with a simple lookup |
| [23:36:23] | Galaxian8080: | What about any of the other data like snapshots, description? Will mythtvfs work better? |
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| [23:36:49] | sphery: | it should find that when it pulls the metadata from thetvdb.com |
| [23:37:06] | sphery: | or tmdb.org |
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| [23:41:24] | Galaxian8080: | Ah ok. Thanks.. Ubuntu is installing now.. We will see how this goes.. |
| [23:42:27] | sphery: | good luck |
| [23:43:56] | Galaxian8080: | Thanks for your help |
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| [23:49:38] | wagnerrp: | Galaxian8080: note that mythtv just records the content as it is broadcast |
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| [23:49:50] | wagnerrp: | meaning your HD recordings are going to be ~15Mbps |
| [23:49:59] | wagnerrp: | and if you just intend to mount one filesystem on the other for access |
| [23:50:14] | wagnerrp: | you're going to need to be able to stream that content over the internet at that same ~15Mbps |
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