Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, September 21st, 2012, 00:00 UTC

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SparksIT:

i'm at the step where I need to copy a file into /lib/firmware/<current kernal>

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SparksIT:

how do i know what folder that is?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

its /lib/firmware/<current kernel>, like you just said

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wagnerrp:

that is the full and complete path

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SparksIT:

okay...I thought that was a variable, that changed depending on the OS

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SparksIT:

the other issue, is I don't see a <current kernel> folder

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wagnerrp:

thats correct, which is why that page actually listed `uname -r` or something, rather than <current kernel>

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SparksIT:

okay...i'm still confused

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wagnerrp:

when you enclose something with `` on the command line, it runs whatever is enclosed, and inserts the result inline to the outer command

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wagnerrp:

so when you run `uname -r`, it comes up with something like 2.6.32, and then the full directory magically becomes /lib/firmware/2.6.32

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SparksIT:

okay...so when I initiated the command it created a 3.2.0-30-generic, so I would then copy the file there

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wagnerrp:

does such a folder exist?

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SparksIT:

yes

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i've not had to deal with firmware issues since the 2.6.16 kernel or so

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wagnerrp:

so i'm a bit out of experience

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SparksIT:

so I am trying to copy the file into the folder, however since I don't have root access I can't copy file the file manager

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SparksIT:

so I am trying to type into terminal:

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SparksIT:

suo cp nxp7131-2010-3–10.1.fw /lib/firmware/3.2.0-29-generic

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SparksIT:

*sudo

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SparksIT:

and I get cp cannon stat nxp7164-2010-3–10.1.fw: no such file or directory

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SparksIT:

*cannot

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wagnerrp:

ok? likely because you keep installing 7131 when it wants 7164

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SparksIT:

sorry typo, I am typing 7164

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wagnerrp:

then the file does not exist in the directory you are in

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wagnerrp:

you downloaded the file somewhere, where is that?

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SparksIT:

sorry...it was supposed to be nxp7164-2010-03–10.1.fw, I have to switch to details list mode, I didn't catch the '0'

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SparksIT:

trying to type a file that exist over 3 lines

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wagnerrp:

so don't type it, tab-complete it

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SparksIT:

didn't think about that, I use that in windows, didn't think it worked in Linux

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SparksIT:

sweet...the backend no sees the card...thanks wagnerrp

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SparksIT:

*now

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SparksIT:

do you know do I need to set anything up differntly since it is a dual tuner?

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wagnerrp:

you need to add both tuners

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wagnerrp:

do you intend to use them for analog? or just digital?

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SparksIT:

just digital

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wagnerrp:

then just add both tuners

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SparksIT:

okay...now to test the front end

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SparksIT:

odd, now everytime I go into the front end, I get: Counld not connect to the master backend server

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wagnerrp:

is the backend running?

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SparksIT:

when I exited, it asked if I wanted to start it and I selected yes, then asked to fill the database, and I clicked Yes again. Is there a place I can check?

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wagnerrp:

ps ax | grep backend

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SparksIT:

I get 2202 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep — color=auto backend

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wagnerrp:

that means you just found grep itself

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs to determine why it self-terminated

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wagnerrp:

chances are you just defined the tuners, without actually configuring them

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SparksIT:

your right, I deleted my capture cards, now I no longer get that error

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wagnerrp:

well that's not exactly ideal

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wagnerrp:

what i mean is that you did not complete configuration

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wagnerrp:

most of the sections in mythtv-setup are not optional

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wagnerrp:

you can't just define a tuner

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wagnerrp:

you have to map it to a video source, and that video source must have channels

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wagnerrp:

with no channels, what is the tuner supposed to do?

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SparksIT:

does it matter what I use for the Video Source Name?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

a video source is just a collection of channels

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wagnerrp:

any tuner attached to it must be able to tune all channels defined on it

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wagnerrp:

so you can share one between both tuners on that card

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SparksIT:

Is there a way to perform a scan and have it auto detect all channels?

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wagnerrp:

are you just trying to fumble your way through this without having read anything?

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SparksIT:

pretty much

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wagnerrp:

the documentation explains how to scan

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SparksIT:

k

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SparksIT:

I guess I figured it would be more straight forward, I apoligize

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wagnerrp:

it is

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wagnerrp:

you're probably just asking questions before you've gotten to that step

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SparksIT:

Well, i'm off for some reading, and again I apoligize if I offended you in anyway

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neufeld_AFK:

Hmm. RecordPreRoll doesn't seem to work for me anymore. My recordings, which used to start 15 seconds early with v0.24, now start about 2 seconds early with v0.25.1 and v0.25.2. Has anybody else noticed this?

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neufeld:

I turned up the logging, and the ASK_RECORDING message is posted with a time that is correct. That is, 31.6 seconds before the scheduled start time it sends ASK_RECORDING with a timeuntil value of 15. But, then the recording starts at 1.8 seconds before the scheduled time, rather than 15. No other messages are logged between those two, with schedule,record turned on

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rOOb:

wagnerrp, you around at all? iirc you use freebsd + mythtv? I've got mythtv installed on fbsd9 and I'm tying to run mythtv-setup...but I think its having issues with the qtmysql driver.

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neufeld:

Looks like a bug, I'll post to the dev channel.

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rOOb:

I have qt4-mysql-plugin-4.8.2 installed....but I'm not sure its working

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rOOb:

when starting mythtv-setup I see these two lines: QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL driver not loaded QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QSQLITE

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[R]:

it is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so on my system

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wagnerrp:

any possibility you built a mismatched qtmysql package?

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sulx:

7

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wagnerrp:

such as... qt4.7 base with qt4.8 mysql?

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wagnerrp:

run 'pkg_info | grep qt' and make sure everything lines up on the same version

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rOOb:

wagnerrp, I use portmaster and doing a portmaster -L only shows qt4-* packages installed.

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rOOb:

yea. only qt4-*

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wagnerrp:

im talking about the same exact version... 4.8.2

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wagnerrp:

4.xxx isnt sufficient

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rOOb:

all seem to Beirdo 4.8.2

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wagnerrp:

uh... huh...

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rOOb:

yea. just double checked. all 4.8.2

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rOOb:

http://pastebin.com/wiKxCk5c

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wagnerrp:

what does Beirdo have to do with all of this?

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rOOb:

?

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wagnerrp:

"<rOOb> all seem to Beirdo 4.8.2"

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wagnerrp:

:)

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rOOb:

hahaahah

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rOOb:

stupid irc client

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rOOb:

I think I did be:

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rOOb:

...but it didnt just do it there

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rOOb:

plot thickens! lol

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wagnerrp:

i dont see qt itself installed

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wagnerrp:

should be a qt4–4.8.2

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rOOb:

hmm weird

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wagnerrp:

not it doesnt actually do anything itself, its just a dummy port that carries dependencies for everything else

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wagnerrp:

its just odd not to have it

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rOOb:

yea

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rOOb:

I used the mythtv port

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rOOb:

and it pulled in all the other stuff...

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rOOb:

ill install qt4 anyways

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wagnerrp:

it might pick up a few extra packages, perhaps one you forgot otherwise

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rOOb:

weird too. it brings up the makeconfig...and one of the options says "database connectivity plugins for qtsql"

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** rOOb enables it hits ok to compile **

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rOOb:

wagnerrp, do you happen to use any hdhr stuff with your fbsd setup?

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wagnerrp:

that's the only tuner i have connected to it

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rOOb:

now that I'm using the prime...its actually pheasable for me to use fbsd as my media server/mythtv box

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rOOb:

awesome!

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else, you can look through this... http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . e/logs/stdio

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rOOb:

I figured the support would be the same for linux as bsd since its just a networked protocol...

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wagnerrp:

also... http://pastebin.com/dGgJCCr1

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rOOb:

ah. waiting on this to compile. If it doesnt work still ill go through your list and compare to mine.

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Beirdo:

I'm not 4.8.2 :)

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wagnerrp:

hes at most 2.3

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bt97t7ncxxq3m2e/201 . . . 16.31.04.jpg

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Beirdo:

VERY hot sauce I made today

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wagnerrp:

that doesnt look like a beirdo either

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

made with hot peppers from jalapeno up to Dorset naga

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Beirdo:

about half of them are habanero

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Beirdo:

vinegar and lime juice base.

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smellynoser:

We want to put a Sky HD feed into a Linux PC – we're currently trying with a HDMI capture card (H727) but I'm open to other suggestions if anybody has succeeded with that :)

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k-man:

when watching a recording, if i press # to bring up the program finder, after i quit the finder, the black letterboxe border turns blue

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k-man:

pressing pause makes them go black again

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k-man:

anyone care to test if that happens for them?

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stuartm:

k-man: doesn't happen here with vdpau

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sid3windr:

viddy pow pow

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superm1:

hey guys i'm seeing themythtv binaries (mythtv-setup, mythbackend, mythfrontend) exiting with return code 162 shortly after launching before anything would be rendered. the last thing output on the terminal is "Real-time signal 0" this is a 0.26 build from last night. any thoughts?

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stuartm:

superm1: I've been seeing that for months, but I've not been able to get an answer from anyone about it

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stuartm:

it may or may not be related to the signal handler changes

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superm1:

it's really hard to work with, i'm getting it 9 times out of 10

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stuartm:

I've got a feeling it might have started slightly before those were committed though, and that the logging changes might be another suspect – pretty sure it was one of those two

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stuartm:

superm1: sometimes it affects me, sometimes it doesn't – when it's failing like that it tends to do so several times in a row

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superm1:

hmm, well i just upgraded to 0.26 recently so I don't know definitively. has beirdo investigated at all?

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stuartm:

I figured it was just me when no-one else complained or took notice of my questions

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superm1:

well glad it's not just me too then :)

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smellynoser:

Is there a good guide to getting a WinTV PVR Usb working?

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smellynoser:

I thought it would just work on ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

do you actually have a PVR USB2? or do you have some Avermedia box?

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smellynoser:

I have both

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smellynoser:

and an Asus 3 in 1 card too

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brfransen:

I am trying to use the python binding getConflictedRecordings() but get and error when there is a conflict. Where there are no conflicts I don't get an error. http://pastebin.com/dULQpLCU Could this be a config problem on my machine or is it a bug?

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wagnerrp:

thats the second time ive heard someone complain about that error

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wagnerrp:

oh, i see the problem...

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brfransen:

wagnerrp: problem on my end or in the bindings code?

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wagnerrp:

bindings

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brfransen:

wagnerrp: thanks for the quick fix. Building now.

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bill6502:

superm1: stuartm: Re: Real-time signals; http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10867#comment:14 . Would be interesting if you're also dropping core at times. I see these with 12.04, but not on 10.04.

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superm1:

stuartm: i filed a trac for this if you want to keep an eye. http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11110

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superm1:

bill6502: i've gotten a core drop a few times too, but i didn't want to trust it with rapid succession of trying to spawn binaries to work around the problem

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devinheitmueller:

smellynoser: The H727 isn't supported under Linux. THe PVR USB2 should be supported though.

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smellynoser:

devinheitmueller, Thanks – not had any luck with PVR USB2 – I think it's because I haven't recompiled the kernel, but perhaps it just hates me

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smellynoser:

I only get a green screen or white noise :(

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devinheitmueller:

It's been supported for a long time, so you shouldn't need a new kernel.

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devinheitmueller:

You're using it as an IVTV device, right?

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devinheitmueller:

(and not a V4L2 device)

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devinheitmueller:

As a test, I would suggest using v4l2-ctl to set the input and then "cat /dev/video0 > out.mpg" as a test.

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devinheitmueller:

That will allow you to determine if it's a Myth issue or a driver issue.

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smoothifier:

i have been backing up my mythconverg database with the script provided. i first back up to a usb disk on another machine with a FAT filesystem, then 10 minutes later I back up locally. the file sizes are different by an order of magnitude (10x). I wonder what is going wrong. the local ones are not as large as the ones sent to the USB disk.

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smoothifier:

the USB disk is only at 19% usage

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smoothifier:

they are called from two different cron jobs, one at 3:00 am and one at 3:10 am

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smoothifier:

the "local" backup is called second at 3:10 am with the --directory parameter

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smoothifier:

scratch the file sizes. the local ones are bigger, around 11MB. the ones on the USB drive are around 6MB. I read the file sizes wrong. these are the sizes of the .gz files

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smoothifier:

ok... should have done this before. the USB backups are corrupted

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smoothifier:

not sure what's going on there

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smoothifier:

never mind. running out of space. i read 19% to be the percent used

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smoothifier:

still, there is no error when run from the command line

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smellynoser:

devinheitmueller, I used v4l2-ctl and changed the input and it works perfectly – thank you, so much :)

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devinheitmueller:

Ah, good.

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plasmid:

sup all

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plasmid:

new to mythtv. If my tivo needs a cable card to get my subcribed channels how can I make a mythtv box that allows me to do the same?

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devinheitmueller:

Buy an HDHomeRun Prime.

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plasmid:

!google HDHomeRun Prime

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devinheitmueller:

http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/prime/

[22:13:08]

devinheitmueller:

It accepts a cablecard, just like your Tivo.

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devinheitmueller:

The only downside is that depending on your cable system, you still might not be able to get all the channels due to the copy protection.

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plasmid:

oh wow.. That is absolutely astounding. I have comcrap... lemee see ..what restrictions are in place.

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devinheitmueller:

The alternative is to rent an HD cable box, and use an HD-PVR connected to the component video output.

[22:15:04]

devinheitmueller:

... this approach let's you get *every* channel, but you have to pay to rent the cable box, and you can only record one thing at a time (the HDHomeRun Prime lets you record three programs at once)

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plasmid:

is this what you are referring to mate? http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/hdhr3-6cc-3x2/

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devinheitmueller:

That's the more expensive six tuner version.

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plasmid:

Due to city laws.. the cable card is free in Pittsburgh, PA. Tivo costs me $14 a month.

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devinheitmueller:

The three tuner version is here: http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/hdhr3-cc/

[22:16:59]

devinheitmueller:

(and is much cheaper)

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plasmid:

i see that. :-) So.. plug in Cable card; hook it up to your mythtv box and bob's your uncle...

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devinheitmueller:

Pretty much, unless you're in a cable system that sets the copy once/copy never flag for *every* channel.

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plasmid:

that's awesome news. Hmm.. I don't see a remote that comes with it.. Checking..

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plasmid:

That's exactly what I need. Build my own media server + dvr in one, Raid 5 (5 Red WD's 3 TB).. and done. This is fantastic news. Thanks m8!

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plasmid:

â– Video card with support for hardware decoding and HDCP (NVIDIA 9500 or newer). I am wondering if I can use my olde Hauppauge DVR 350.

[22:28:02]

plasmid:

or get a new nvidia 6 series.. like 680GTX.

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justinh:

hdcp is irrelevant to linux :-)

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plasmid:

explain?

[22:35:27]

justinh:

it's irrelevant. no linux player can enable HDCP on a video output as far as I'm aware of

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justinh:

any HD playback can't be so 'protected'

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justinh:

I mean, HDCP is only for things which.. obey DRM protocols. Like Windows programs :P

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plasmid:

All i am concerned about is putting my cable card into the HDHomeRun Prime, hook it up to my RAID 5 mythtv box which will have a GTX680 and that should work. I hope.

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justinh:

so why did you mention HDCP?

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plasmid:

because it's what is needed? here:

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plasmid:

http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/hdhr3-cc/

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justinh:

FWIW your cablecard will only work with anything flagged as 'copy freely'. YMMV, apparently

[22:38:36]

justinh:

on linux anyway.. due to its lack of support for DRM. Nice, isn't it?

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plasmid:

so ... it won't work a 100% like it does on my Tivo box right now?

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justinh:

But on windows, where the stream path can be 'trusted' from start to finish.. it's not a problem

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plasmid:

i wonder what OS is Tivo's... windows or linux/unix ?

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justinh:

plasmid: that depends very much on which channels are flagged 'copy freely'

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justinh:

whatever OS Tivo runs is also irrelevant here

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justinh:

s/OS/kernel

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plasmid:

it appears all channels I have are "copy freely" otherwise I wouldn't be able to record them to my TIVO.

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justinh:

didn't I just read a users' mailing list thread about some nasty cableco stopping all the copyfreely channels? I hope it's not the beginning of the end. As it is, you'll be lucky to be able to record anything you pay for with a computer which isn't running microsoft

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justinh:

no, there's a' copy once' flag too

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justinh:

ie. allow this to record, but disallow further copies

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plasmid:

well... i usually record one show once. then watch it multiple times if need be.

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plasmid:

i dont distribute if thats what you mean.

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justinh:

yeah well none of that involves transferring a recording off the tivo does it?

[22:44:03]

justinh:

linux isn't, and likely will never, be a trusted medium for this kind of thing – so being untrusted, unlike a closed system like Tivo, there's no way to guarantee the flags are respected – so.. if you can't trust the entire path.. you ain't allowed to have it in the first place

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justinh:

hence the – it'll only work if the 'copy freely' bit is set

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justinh:

whereas a tivo, which is 'trusted' will work unless the 'copy never' flag is set

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justinh:

a tivo, or MCE.. or whatever closed system you care to find

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plasmid:

that's unfortunate. I was gonna pony up $ for this product.. but i reckon I am gambling on "copy freely", "copy once" , copy never flags...

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justinh:

rumour has it that it's pretty easy to find out what your cableco shoves out though

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justinh:

but that isn't to say that they won't change their mind in future

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justinh:

I haven't *paid* for teevees for quite some time now. free to air, or none at all. That's how I roll :-) Increasingly seems to be how others do too

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plasmid:

I'll give this a shot and provide feedback on the forums.

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justinh:

plasmid: FWIW some set top boxes will actually tell you the copy status of stuff

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justinh:

might involve some menu digging though

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plasmid:

I want to as well. Most shows I get from .nzb's and stream them to my TV.

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justinh:

whoops. we don't talk about that kind of thing here, please

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plasmid:

i dont' have any premium channels and never will subscribe to them.

[22:49:37]

justinh:

well, you *might* be okay with a cablecard system in that case

[22:50:09]

justinh:

it certainly doesn't seem to be any worse of a situation than you guys had with the great firewire STBs a few years back

[22:50:23]

justinh:

if anything there's a lot less luck involved

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plasmid:

my goal is to consolidate my movie collection, dvr, and music in one unit: mythtv.

[22:51:19]

justinh:

I'd love to consolidate it all without even needing a computer :P

[22:52:00]

justinh:

but sadly, the vast majority of standalone solutions seem to have massive failings one way or another

[22:52:29]

justinh:

sucky UIs, limited codec support.. even when the TV itself can play the same formats as broadcast.. it's annoying

[22:52:53]

justinh:

mpeg2 over the air? oh sure, the tv will do that, but over a network from a share? Hahahaha

[22:53:11]

plasmid:

there are open source alternatives that you can pay for that will do just that.

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justinh:

no, but it'll play all the popular pirated formats just fine sir. Irony

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plasmid:

^ agreed.

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justinh:

plasmid: teevees come with it built in now, and countless other devices claim to be all things to all people – but sucky UIs, viewing things as mere *files*... bleh

[22:54:40]

justinh:

we grew out of using files a long time ago. metadata is king. we deserve a rich experience, do we not? ;-)

[22:55:05]

justinh:

maybe in another 10 years or so, somebody will cotton on & make a really good product

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plasmid:

no doubt. I had to get this: "Serviio" to avoid all that metadata crap from closed source Samsung solutions.

[22:55:58]

plasmid:

brb.. coffee.

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justinh:

we've been looking at those strange little 'usb stick android PCs' at dealextreme & on ebay the last couple of days

[22:57:36]

justinh:

almost tempted to take the plunge.. for $60 how bad could it be? heheh

[22:58:44]

justinh:

hardware media decoding, 1.5Ghz CPU, 512MB RAM, 4GB flash.. HDMI out, wifi built in.. could make an interesting diversion for a while

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