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| [03:14:40] | Beirdo: | YAY |
| [03:15:02] | Beirdo: | I partook of the hottest type of pepper known to man today... twice. :) |
| [03:15:12] | Beirdo: | yummy! |
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| [03:37:16] | sheppard: | which |
| [03:37:18] | sheppard: | ghost? |
| [03:38:00] | Beirdo: | Trinidad Moluga Scorpion |
| [03:38:10] | Beirdo: | Moruga |
| [03:38:14] | Beirdo: | I can't type |
| [03:38:16] | sheppard: | haven't even heard of that one |
| [03:38:34] | Beirdo: | we also had the naga jolokai |
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| [03:38:44] | Beirdo: | which is way up there too |
| [03:39:06] | Beirdo: | aka ghost pepper |
| [03:39:16] | Beirdo: | the Trinidad is about twice as strong |
| [03:39:57] | Beirdo: | actually, it was a Dorset Naga |
| [03:40:03] | Beirdo: | to be more precise |
| [03:41:38] | Beirdo: | it's about 1M scoville, and the Trinidad Scorpion around 2M |
| [03:42:09] | sheppard: | jeepers |
| [03:42:18] | sheppard: | bet you can't wait to poop that out |
| [03:43:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:43:18] | Beirdo: | it was tiny pieces, I'm not insane |
| [03:43:43] | Beirdo: | we also had habanero, cayenne, seranno |
| [03:43:52] | Beirdo: | pepper-tasting party :) |
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| [03:44:54] | Beirdo: | all three of us that went all the way to the hottest were fire-breathing dragons for an hour or so |
| [03:45:29] | Beirdo: | and I brought home a bunch of the nagas and habaneros, etc. He only brought in one Trinidad Scorpion |
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| [03:45:47] | Beirdo: | all greenhouse-grown by a guy at work :) |
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| [04:41:15] | Beirdo: | https://www.dropbox.com/s/vuf18t16ot9vz7l/201 . . . 21.32.45.jpg |
| [04:41:22] | Beirdo: | the ones I took home :) |
| [04:44:26] | ertyu_: | you'd almost expect that to be a picture of girls |
| [04:48:37] | Beirdo: | Hot peppers are less fickle. |
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| [06:44:27] | justinh: | stuartm: in most respects my ZTE blade is great especially considering how little it costs.. the camera is really poor but then I don't care about that ;-) Anyway, looks like I'm going to have to file some bugs on the android mythfrontend app if I ever want it to work |
| [06:44:58] | justinh: | I'll give it a go on my tablet.. which spends the vast majority of its life on a bookshelf. |
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| [09:15:22] | wizbit: | justinh: i thought you was more intelligent to own a tablet? |
| [09:20:07] | wagnerrp: | damnit... |
| [09:20:19] | ** wagnerrp gets to cleanup duty... ** | |
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| [09:43:52] | obruT: | hello everyone... I had one channel that was not visible, after marking it visible in mythtv-setup, mythfrontend segfaults, and mythtv-setup after startup first asks to stop mythbackend (that is normal) but after that it asks to run mythfilldatabase and then quits... it doesn't show any configuration gui :P |
| [09:46:33] | obruT: | there is nothing suspicious in log files |
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| [15:21:27] | bas-t: | #7486 had a veto by stuartm in http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7486#comment:10 but there's been some fixes around that area of the scanner since then. So mostly the patch needs testing by people who need it and by some who don't need it (so it doesn't break other stuff). |
| [15:21:27] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7486 ** | |
| [15:21:38] | bas-t: | Is this still true? |
| [15:22:13] | bas-t: | git remote add -f bas-t git://github.com/bas-t/mythtv.git |
| [15:22:13] | bas-t: | git cherry-pick 4d3ff242d9 |
| [15:22:38] | bas-t: | That's all you need to fix the problem |
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| [15:36:10] | bas-t: | That is, if you are compiling fixes/0.25 or master |
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| [16:43:04] | SauceFH: | hi |
| [16:44:27] | SauceFH: | having some issues with transcodes, going from OTA ATSC MPEG2 to MPEG4 and I get big square blocks during motion |
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| [16:49:44] | tgm4883: | How do you mark an entire folder as a specific ttvdb show? It's pretty anoying to have to search for each episode, then go down to the 14th entry so it gets the right metadata |
| [16:49:52] | tgm4883: | in 0.25 |
| [16:49:56] | tgm4883: | mythvideo |
| [16:50:05] | tgm4883: | err, I mean master |
| [16:50:20] | wagnerrp: | is no way currently |
| [16:50:49] | tgm4883: | :( |
| [16:51:17] | wagnerrp: | there is the ttvdb.conf, where you can set overrides |
| [16:51:26] | wagnerrp: | but the overrides are not being applied in certain cases |
| [16:51:38] | tgm4883: | well that seems reasonable, is there documentation on that file? |
| [16:51:56] | wagnerrp: | there is some right at the top of ttvdb.py |
| [16:53:10] | IReboot: | tgm4883: The documentation for the config file is within the file itself . tvdb.conf |
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| [16:57:33] | IReboot: | tgm4883: Search for ttvdb-example.conf if you do not already have a copy called ttvdb.conf in your ~./mythtv directory |
| [16:59:13] | tgm4883: | looking |
| [17:00:51] | hotwings: | anyone happen to know if 128bit ram is required on nvidia cards to do temporal spatial on 1080i 60fps? |
| [17:01:42] | wagnerrp: | do you know what it means when they say "128bit ram"? |
| [17:02:35] | wagnerrp: | 128-bit is just the bus width |
| [17:02:45] | wagnerrp: | and bus width times memory clock rate gives you bandwidth |
| [17:03:06] | wagnerrp: | the clock rates in modern hardware are so much higher than even a few years ago |
| [17:03:29] | wagnerrp: | the lowest 64-bit cards have absolutely no trouble meeting the requirements of the video processing shader code |
| [17:03:32] | IReboot: | tgm4883: If you compile it yourself it is found in git directory sub directory "mythtv/mythtv/bindings/python/MythTV/ttvdb/ttvdb-example.conf" |
| [17:04:39] | hotwings: | yeah i understand its related.. and i know that one of my 64bit 1gb ddr3 gt220 cards cant do temporal spatial on 1080i, while a 128bit 1gb ddr5 can |
| [17:05:30] | hotwings: | the memory clock on the 64bit one is 3400mhz, core clock 550mhz |
| [17:05:40] | hotwings: | not sure off-hand about the 128bit card |
| [17:06:47] | [R]: | the same gt220? |
| [17:06:50] | wagnerrp: | ive only ever seen 128-bit versions of that card |
| [17:07:02] | wagnerrp: | are you sure its not a GT210? |
| [17:07:06] | hotwings: | wait, i have that backwards.. those clock speeds are for the 128bit vresion |
| [17:07:34] | hotwings: | the box says gt220 (which iirc is a gt218 chip or whatever) |
| [17:07:55] | wagnerrp: | the gt218 core was a GT210 |
| [17:08:03] | wagnerrp: | the 220 was a gt216 core |
| [17:08:24] | wagnerrp: | and ~3x more powerful |
| [17:08:58] | hotwings: | so idrc then :) |
| [17:09:44] | wagnerrp: | run 'lspci | grep -i nvidia' |
| [17:10:32] | hotwings: | already did, its gt216 core.. but anyways, just trying to figure out what the lowest end card is that has no problem doing 1080i 60fps using temporal spatial |
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| [17:11:47] | wagnerrp: | any 220 should do it, ive not heard of a case where it hasnt |
| [17:12:19] | wagnerrp: | what specifically is it doing? |
| [17:12:39] | wagnerrp: | any possibility you're trying to do 2x, but not configured in a manner that supports 2x? |
| [17:12:47] | hotwings: | what about minimum core clock, memory clock, and shader core counts? |
| [17:13:06] | hotwings: | looks like the sweet spot might actually be gt430 fermi cards |
| [17:15:17] | wagnerrp: | supposedly the geometry/pixel cores are important |
| [17:15:36] | wagnerrp: | the 22 and 430 can do it, but the 520 apparently struggles |
| [17:16:08] | wagnerrp: | even though it should be fairly comparable to the 220 |
| [17:16:39] | wagnerrp: | grab a copy of qvdpautest and run it on both cards |
| [17:17:36] | wagnerrp: | it may not be terribly accurate compared to mythtv's needs, but it will at least give a comparative value between the two |
| [17:20:03] | hotwings: | how about this one.. how much pcie lanes do you need for that? would putting a 16x card in a 16x slot (@ 1x speed) be ok? |
| [17:20:59] | wagnerrp: | absolutely |
| [17:21:07] | wagnerrp: | you can do VDPAU just fine over PCI |
| [17:21:59] | wagnerrp: | of course that doesn't work so well for any content VDPAU can't handle (the PCI bus can't push 1080p60) |
| [17:23:03] | hotwings: | ok, that was a big question for me.. one of my spare mainboards is a d525 atom board with no video chipset.. it goes have a 16x slot but only at 1x speed so sounds like i can use that board, which is what i want to do for low power consumption |
| [17:23:29] | wagnerrp: | as a dedicated frontend? |
| [17:23:35] | hotwings: | yeah |
| [17:23:49] | hotwings: | well, both i guess |
| [17:24:02] | hotwings: | back/front |
| [17:24:26] | wagnerrp: | aside from already having the hardware, it's really not much lower power consumption than a decent i3 |
| [17:24:45] | hotwings: | its the already having the hardware part that i care about :) |
| [17:24:57] | wagnerrp: | and i would NOT recommend that as a backend |
| [17:25:52] | wagnerrp: | as far as dedicated frontends are concerned, duty cycle rules |
| [17:26:10] | wagnerrp: | 2–3x the wattage doesn't add up to much when the thing is only on a couple hours a day |
| [17:26:37] | hotwings: | its on 24/7 here |
| [17:26:56] | wagnerrp: | a backend, yes... a frontend, no reason to leave it on when not in use |
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| [17:28:00] | tgm4883: | IReboot, hmm, seems we don't have it in the mythbuntu packages |
| [17:28:33] | tgm4883: | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=co . . . amp;arch=any |
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| [17:29:08] | IReboot: | tgm4883: At one time it was distributed in the ttvdb directory. |
| [17:29:43] | tgm4883: | IReboot, that link above searches all packages in 12.04 repository for ttvdb-example.conf |
| [17:29:59] | tgm4883: | so if it doesn't find it, it's not in our packages |
| [17:31:21] | IReboot: | tgm4883: http://pastebin.com/YMzyJgkF just save that whole pastbin as ttvdb.conf into ~./mythtv and you should be good to go. |
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| [17:32:03] | IReboot: | tgm4883: Of course add entries to the override section as required |
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| [17:33:55] | wagnerrp: | IReboot: recall that issue on the mailing list a few weeks back? mythtv searches for the show inetref first, which doesn't use those overrides |
| [17:34:16] | wagnerrp: | and then goes back and uses that inetref for the individual episode lookup |
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| [17:35:10] | tgm4883: | alright, moment of truth |
| [17:35:43] | IReboot: | tgm4883: I cannot speak to that issue but if ttvdb.py is used it will match a series against the override item and use that match's inetref number |
| [17:36:40] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [17:37:13] | tgm4883: | I can't say that it's working, as I still have to search for each episode and go to the specific item (14 down) |
| [17:37:18] | hotwings: | wagnerrp – thanks for your help btw (sorry, was away from the pc for a minute) |
| [17:39:06] | wagnerrp: | i hate children with any kind of noise making implement |
| [17:39:22] | wagnerrp: | something going on up at the fort |
| [17:39:36] | wagnerrp: | the the last six hours, its nothing but emergency vehicle sirens |
| [17:40:10] | ** wagnerrp has a pressing urge to make those emergency vehicles necessary ** | |
| [17:40:38] | IReboot: | tgm4883: If the backend is executing ttvdb.py then the "~./mythtv" directory is in the user home of what every user is running the backend |
| [17:41:23] | wagnerrp: | the batch metadata updater is run by whatever machine has performed the scan |
| [17:43:00] | tgm4883: | I'm assuming that is ran by the frontend? |
| [17:43:15] | wagnerrp: | if you tell the frontend to scan, yes |
| [17:43:17] | tgm4883: | or rather, kicked off by the frontend user |
| [17:43:22] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [17:43:45] | tgm4883: | in that case, it's run on the frontend as well, instead of the master backend |
| [17:43:53] | tgm4883: | so yea, something not working right |
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| [19:33:22] | lapion: | I have problems trying to record Dr Who |
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| [19:54:49] | louisdk: | Hi. |
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| [20:14:40] | louisdk: | When upgrading mythtv-database on Debian it says that it can't connect to my mysql database. I can connect to the database myself. Even as root: http://pastie.org/private/opkv1nrhdxswyuwjf33q |
| [20:15:25] | [R]: | sounds like you need to give it the password |
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| [20:18:24] | ToHellWithGA: | I just bought a UHF/VHF antenna today and realized I can get about 10 channels |
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| [20:18:58] | ToHellWithGA: | is it tricky to setup mythtv on an old laptop running debian? |
| [20:19:20] | wagnerrp: | define "old" |
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| [20:19:27] | ToHellWithGA: | I would like to use that laptop to capture TV shows so I can stream them over wifi to my PS3 |
| [20:20:02] | ToHellWithGA: | wagnerrp: two choices – pentium 4 w/ hyper-threading, 1GB RAM or pentium-D, 1 GB RAM |
| [20:20:10] | ToHellWithGA: | about 10 and 8 years |
| [20:20:25] | wagnerrp: | better to go with the P-D |
| [20:20:32] | ToHellWithGA: | both have USB ports and run debian stable |
| [20:20:41] | ToHellWithGA: | is it a processing power problem? |
| [20:21:02] | wagnerrp: | chances are neither will be capable of local playback |
| [20:21:04] | ToHellWithGA: | churning out mp4 of mkv or what-have-you from the signal |
| [20:21:22] | wagnerrp: | the digital signal is MPEG2 in a TS |
| [20:21:23] | ToHellWithGA: | i just intend to use that computer for capture – playback will be via my PS3 |
| [20:21:30] | wagnerrp: | there is next to no processing during recording |
| [20:22:13] | ToHellWithGA: | so it would be an unmodified copy of the over-the-air stream, commercials, SAP, and all? |
| [20:22:32] | wagnerrp: | only filtered, and that is performed by the tuner itself |
| [20:22:51] | wagnerrp: | filtered meaning you get the channel you want, rather than the whole multiplex |
| [20:23:13] | wagnerrp: | when you're talking digital tv, each physical channel is just a data stream, and that data stream can carry multiple logical channels |
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| [20:23:34] | wagnerrp: | those 10 channels you see are probably coming over on only 4 frequencies |
| [20:23:53] | ToHellWithGA: | best buy had a hauppage 950q usb tuner in stock – the mythtv wiki had a whole mess of hardware info then talked about components used |
| [20:24:14] | wagnerrp: | say... three major networks with two subchannels, and a PBS station with four subchannels |
| [20:24:37] | ToHellWithGA: | does debian stable have an appropriate kernel for interfacing with that model? |
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| [20:24:49] | wagnerrp: | no clue |
| [20:25:06] | wagnerrp: | i know that driver has been stable for a while now |
| [20:25:08] | ToHellWithGA: | i'd think i would need a module for each bit of hardware to be used |
| [20:25:13] | wagnerrp: | but i have no idea what the debian stable kernel is |
| [20:25:22] | ToHellWithGA: | Linux fatalbert 2.6.32-5–686 #1 SMP Thu Nov 3 04:23:54 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| [20:25:22] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 ** | |
| [20:25:31] | ToHellWithGA: | (from uname -a) |
| [20:25:36] | wagnerrp: | 2.6.32 is awfully old, you would want to check |
| [20:25:42] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [20:25:52] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, that's not quite three years old |
| [20:25:52] | ToHellWithGA: | ok |
| [20:26:18] | wagnerrp: | presumably these laptops have USB 2.0? |
| [20:26:39] | ToHellWithGA: | so the "Nov 3" in that string is probably 03-11–2009 |
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| [20:26:53] | ToHellWithGA: | i think the pentium d has usb 2.0 |
| [20:27:02] | wagnerrp: | USB2.0 is an absolute must |
| [20:27:02] | ToHellWithGA: | is there an easy way to check with lshw? |
| [20:27:07] | ToHellWithGA: | (or something like lshw) |
| [20:27:20] | wagnerrp: | dmesg | grep -i ehci |
| [20:27:39] | wagnerrp: | uhci/ohci are USB 1.1, ehci is USB 2.0 |
| [20:28:05] | ToHellWithGA: | both have "ehci_hcd: USB 2.0 'Enhanced' Host Controller (EHCI) Driver" |
| [20:28:38] | ToHellWithGA: | is there anything especially bad about using the pentium 4 machine for this purpose? of the two it has the largest hard drive |
| [20:28:39] | wagnerrp: | note, if you use the PS3 over UPNP, you will only be able to access pre-recorded content |
| [20:29:00] | ToHellWithGA: | i wasn't really looking for live streaming |
| [20:29:01] | wagnerrp: | and you will not have access to anything like commercial detection |
| [20:29:14] | wagnerrp: | also note, digital recordings are _big_ |
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| [20:29:27] | wagnerrp: | on the order of 5–7GB/hr |
| [20:29:41] | wagnerrp: | you're going to want a large amount of storage |
| [20:29:56] | ToHellWithGA: | i take it that means commercial detection is handled by the frontend? |
| [20:29:59] | wagnerrp: | and you want that recording storage to be somewhere other than the drive that holds your MySQL database |
| [20:30:16] | ToHellWithGA: | separate partition or separate drive? |
| [20:30:27] | wagnerrp: | commercial detection is precomputed by `mythcommflag`, on any machine running an instance of the jobqueue |
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| [20:30:42] | wagnerrp: | the frontend can read the results of the commercial detection run, and apply them with its internal player |
| [20:31:00] | wagnerrp: | there is no mechanism to inform external utilities of the commercial detection results over UPNP |
| [20:31:11] | ToHellWithGA: | it sounds like PS3/UPNP is a pretty barebones thing |
| [20:31:13] | wagnerrp: | separate drive, partition makes no difference |
| [20:31:16] | ToHellWithGA: | maybe not the best way to play back |
| [20:31:28] | wagnerrp: | the issue is random access |
| [20:31:58] | wagnerrp: | rotating hard drives don't have much in general, but low speed laptop hard drives are particularly bad |
| [20:32:18] | ToHellWithGA: | these are old computers so i'm sure their drives are slow |
| [20:32:38] | wagnerrp: | not any slower than modern stuff |
| [20:32:55] | wagnerrp: | random access is dictated by RPM, which hasn't changed |
| [20:32:57] | ToHellWithGA: | i think my newer drives are 7200 rpm |
| [20:33:20] | ToHellWithGA: | iirc my old ones were in the 4- or 5–000 range |
| [20:33:38] | wagnerrp: | most laptop drives are 5400RPM, with some really old ones running 4200RPM |
| [20:34:23] | ToHellWithGA: | would a 64GB flash thumbdrive be suitable for this use? |
| [20:34:35] | wagnerrp: | absolutely not |
| [20:34:52] | wagnerrp: | an SSD would be fine, but a thumb drive is not designed for frequent writes |
| [20:34:52] | ToHellWithGA: | how about for the database? |
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| [20:35:47] | wagnerrp: | SSDs come with wear leveling algorithms in their firmware to work around the limited cycle life of MLC NAND flash, thumb drives do not |
| [20:35:58] | ToHellWithGA: | maybe i'm trying too hard to not buy anything new besides the tuner |
| [20:36:17] | ToHellWithGA: | so i need to get a tuner and an external hard drive to proceed, more or less |
| [20:36:22] | wagnerrp: | all this old hardware, do you not have an old PC lying about as a server? |
| [20:36:59] | ToHellWithGA: | i put my slightly older pentium 4 desktop in the dumpster after its power supply failed |
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| [20:37:06] | ToHellWithGA: | all that remains of it is the hard drive |
| [20:39:41] | ToHellWithGA: | my shopping list has: tuner, kernel, and hdd |
| [20:40:01] | wagnerrp: | should make for a good start |
| [20:40:06] | ToHellWithGA: | thanks wagnerrp |
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| [20:40:18] | wagnerrp: | the demands on a machine with only a couple broadcast channels are not much |
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| [20:47:50] | louis_: | [R]: If use "mysql -umythtv -pPASSWORD mythconverg" it get it, but then I don't understand why this fails: http://pastebin.com/uBGb2E1k |
| [20:48:26] | [R]: | because you broke the debian magicness |
| [20:50:20] | louis_: | [R]: I run Debian stable with Mythtv from Deb multimedia backports to match the version on my frontend runnig Mythbuntu with 0.25. |
| [20:50:29] | [R]: | ok |
| [20:50:30] | [R]: | and? |
| [20:50:43] | clever: | louis_: it expects to find the root mysql pw in some config file, to automate something |
| [20:51:01] | clever: | if youve changed that, you would have broken everything |
| [20:55:43] | louis_: | clever: I don't remember changing that myself. I haven't used that machine for mythtv or mysql related so recreating the db wouldn't hurt me as long as I can get a working backend. |
| [20:56:26] | clever: | louis_: there should be a config file somewhere in /etc with the mysql name/pw, id look for that first |
| [20:56:46] | louis_: | clever: thx. I'll look. |
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| [21:01:18] | louis_: | clever: /etc/mysql/my.cnf doesn't include anyone username or passwd. /etc/mysql/debian.cnf include this: http://pastebin.com/KGwMuss1 |
| [21:02:17] | clever: | louis_: check to see if that name/pw still work |
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| [21:05:20] | louis_: | clever: It does. |
| [21:05:26] | clever: | dont know then |
| [21:07:22] | louis_: | clever: Well. Thanks for your help. Maybe someone in #mysql know why. |
| [21:07:56] | clever: | its more of a debian issue then a mysql one |
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| [21:11:12] | connor_: | Hey guys – I just installed MythTV and I love it, but every show I have set to "record all" it records two copies of – one starting at the beginning of the show as normal, one usually a few minutes in to it. Both record to the end of the show, so I get the full show and everything – but usually only one of them started on time. I'm don't think it's simulcasts, since they are both recording from the exact same channel. I have an |
| [21:11:13] | connor_: | homerun with 2 tuners. Thanks! |
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| [21:12:25] | connor_: | (short version = why is my MythTV recording two copies of everything?) |
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| [21:15:37] | connor_: | Any thoughts anyone? Sorry, I'm also not 100% comfortable with IRC protocol, so if I shouldn't expect to hear from anyone right away that's fine, just someone let me know :-) |
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