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| [00:14:25] | pedrocr: | sphery, a "normal "any time" rule" won't fly as the EPG shows something like "Californication T4 E2" for the title, so I can tell it to record anytime but that just means "record episode2 of season4 any time it shows up" |
| [00:14:48] | pedrocr: | hence the title search |
| [00:15:25] | sphery: | pedrocr: oh, are you using EIT? |
| [00:15:35] | sphery: | if so, you need an EIT fixup for your provider |
| [00:15:44] | pedrocr: | I am using EIT |
| [00:15:54] | pedrocr: | what would that be? |
| [00:16:04] | sphery: | or, if you don't feel like creating/submitting one, custom/power recording rules, as you mentioned |
| [00:16:09] | pedrocr: | I suppose I can change to xmltv |
| [00:17:29] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10907 is an example EIT fixup (see https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/pull/26/files for code) |
| [00:18:00] | sphery: | basically, though, if you have bad listings data, you'll have to work harder to make MythTV useful |
| [00:18:16] | lucas^: | or just move to the US |
| [00:18:18] | sphery: | so either try to fix the data with a fixup, or work harder with custom rules |
| [00:18:20] | lucas^: | and get SchedulesDirect |
| [00:18:32] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, Schedules Direct data is wonderful |
| [00:18:50] | lucas^: | for $25/year, though ... Windows Media Center comes with free data |
| [00:19:42] | wagnerrp: | $200 up front for "free" data |
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| [00:19:59] | sphery: | no, MS pays for listings data for use with that WMC install (and only that install) out of the cost of Windows/WMC |
| [00:20:01] | lucas^: | good point, but I've got MSDNAA |
| [00:20:10] | lucas^: | do people generally still use tuners, or has everyone jumped onto the torrent / Hulu / Netflix bandwagon |
| [00:20:13] | sphery: | but that doesn't give you rights to that listings data |
| [00:20:14] | sphery: | :) |
| [00:20:21] | sphery: | it's only for use with WMC |
| [00:20:30] | sphery: | and can't be used by, for example, MythTV |
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| [00:20:47] | wagnerrp: | sure it does, if he uses WMC with a free copy of Win Ultimate/HomePro had through MSDN |
| [00:21:09] | wagnerrp: | its all in bulk pricing |
| [00:21:18] | sphery: | no, his WMC has rights to use that listings data |
| [00:21:19] | sphery: | he doesn't |
| [00:21:19] | lucas^: | wonder if extracting plot summaries / etc. from WTV recordings and embedding them in MPEG-4 atoms infringes on some sort of licensing |
| [00:21:29] | sphery: | (meaning he can't use it with non WMC apps) |
| [00:21:32] | wagnerrp: | vastly higher numbers of windows users, means lower fees per-user |
| [00:21:37] | wagnerrp: | well thats what i mean |
| [00:22:04] | sphery: | right... we're saying the same thing, but I'm trying to emphasize the point that "it still doesn't help with MythTV" |
| [00:22:04] | lucas^: | they probably pay pennies per unit for their MPEG-LA / DVD licensing fees |
| [00:22:55] | lucas^: | Zap2It used to provide free listing data for certain open-source projects, right? |
| [00:23:04] | wagnerrp: | anything non-commercial |
| [00:23:26] | lucas^: | it's not like the fee is a big deal for non-college students anyway |
| [00:23:31] | wagnerrp: | except a certain commercial application based out of the UK decided their US users were dwindling |
| [00:23:35] | sphery: | but the people who were using it for commercial products killed that for us |
| [00:23:37] | dashs: | Is there a way to list files which will be auto-expired by priority within pool (I'm assuming that is how they are expired). |
| [00:23:49] | wagnerrp: | so rather than lose money on they, they were told to sign up for zap2it instead |
| [00:24:08] | wagnerrp: | and in response, zap2it was shut down, forcing mythtv and other applications to form schedules direct |
| [00:24:11] | sphery: | dashs: you can look at the expire list and it will list in order, but we don't break that down into "which is in which directory/file system" for you |
| [00:24:17] | sphery: | you'd have to do that breakdown yourself |
| [00:24:27] | sphery: | (we don't store the location of the files in the database) |
| [00:25:38] | lucas^: | the user-generated databases for TV shows / movies / etc. is usually pretty complete |
| [00:25:50] | dashs: | sphery: ok, but to be sure — that is the way they are expired, that is within the desired storage pool? |
| [00:25:59] | lucas^: | sometimes the plot descriptions give away plot details, though |
| [00:26:23] | lucas^: | just applied for an API key for TheMovieDB.org, seems like not everyone gets approved. hope I get in |
| [00:27:07] | wagnerrp: | not everyone gets approved? i dont recall having any difficulty |
| [00:27:32] | sphery: | pedrocr: looking at http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . eitfixup.cpp , it seems you'd just need to do something like the "// Try to find episode numbers in subtitle" (but in title for yours) similar to http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . up.cpp#n1204 |
| [00:28:04] | sphery: | dashs: expiration occurs only when we are recording to a file system and chooses the next-to-be-expired recording that exists on that file system |
| [00:29:05] | sphery: | dashs: first it will expire Live TV, then any recording marked to allow expiration, but based on the order you've specified in settings |
| [00:29:37] | tgm4883: | Captain_Murdoch, sorry forgot to fix that last night. Just fixed the version brackets on the 0.26 theme for Mythbuntu |
| [00:30:29] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, does everyone really need their own API key for tmdb? Seems like it should be one API key per program |
| [00:30:33] | dashs: | sphery: ok What I'm looking for is a list of the recordings that will be expired in the next 48 hours or so, given my current recording schedule. |
| [00:30:38] | sphery: | dashs: if you enable, "Watched before unwatched", then it will expire anything watched (even if it's, say, priority 100) before it expires any unwatched (non-Live-TV) show (even if it's, say, priority -100) |
| [00:30:51] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: thats the general idea... the program has the key, and the user just uses it |
| [00:31:05] | sphery: | and, yeah, that's /really/ hard to know since until the recording starts, no one can say which file system will be used |
| [00:31:09] | wagnerrp: | neither of the tmdb grabbers for mythtv even have a mechanism to allow the user to supply their own |
| [00:31:33] | wagnerrp: | i applied for a key just for testing for the api i was writing |
| [00:31:46] | sphery: | and since file systems are chosen, typically, based on which file system has the most free space, which file system is used is often determined based on which shows are expired and just how big they are |
| [00:31:47] | wagnerrp: | figured it was more proper than reusing mythtv's key for an independent project |
| [00:32:15] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, ah, so everyone that gets told to get their own key is just because it's still in testing? |
| [00:32:30] | wagnerrp: | who has been told to get their own key? |
| [00:32:31] | sphery: | dashs: my recommendation is to go into mythfrontend's status area and look at the expire list and then choose to just delete right now any shows that you don't mind losing to make enough space for the next 48hrs |
| [00:32:46] | sphery: | dashs: you can actually delete the show from mythfrontend's status area/expire list |
| [00:32:49] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, me |
| [00:32:52] | tgm4883: | ;) |
| [00:32:54] | wagnerrp: | by who? |
| [00:34:06] | sphery: | dashs: find a show you don't want to keep, then, SELECT (usually Space or Enter), then "Delete Now" |
| [00:34:27] | ** wagnerrp heads out ** | |
| [00:34:29] | sphery: | dashs: oh, and I forgot... before Live TV is expired, any Deleted shows are expired (shows in the Deleted recording group) |
| [00:35:43] | Azelphur: | I notice jamu is deprecated now, is there any way to do mass rename with the new MythMetadataLookup? |
| [00:35:58] | sphery: | dashs: so, really, you should go into Watch Recordings, then MENU (once or twice until you see the menu with) "Change Group Filter", then select it and choose "Deleted" group, then you can delete them all (select "Deleted" group in the left column, then MENU|Add this group to the playlist, MENU|Playlist Options|Delete) |
| [00:36:34] | dashs: | sphery: ok, not too worried about LiveTV, just my private pools. Thanks for the tip. |
| [00:36:35] | sphery: | dashs: you can do the same for Live TV... once backend status shows no space in use by Deleted or Live TV recordings, you will know how much space is available |
| [00:37:29] | sphery: | dashs: so, should look something like: http://pastebin.com/uwTk8pgE |
| [00:38:04] | sphery: | that means I have 3.6TB free with 2.4TB used by auto-expirable recordings--which means I'm good for my next 48hrs :) |
| [00:38:58] | sphery: | but note that live TV and Deleted recordings are already gone, so it gives me a truer picture of what's available (and if there's not enough available, you'll need to go ahead and delete some expirable recordings) |
| [00:40:17] | sphery: | dashs: btw, this has been a good exercise for me, as I'd like to provide more info to users to help them manage storage, but haven't sat down to think through the process... and, though this just confirmed it's a hard problem to solve, I'm now better positioned to start trying to improve it |
| [00:40:22] | sphery: | so, thanks |
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| [01:42:55] | Azelphur: | Does anyone here have an actual usable setup involving mythvideo and dlna? |
| [01:43:30] | Azelphur: | it's doing silly things for me, bad file names, and bundling every single video into one folder |
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| [02:48:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | tgm4883, thanks, I enabled 0.26 packaging for Mythbuntu, it should show up in the Theme Chooser in a few hours. |
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| [02:56:52] | GTRsdk: | Hi. I have an echoFX Interview Lite, which I would like to try to get setup to watch and record cable TV with mythTV. How would I do that? |
| [02:57:53] | [R]: | what is an echofx interview lite |
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| [02:58:03] | GTRsdk: | A capture card |
| [02:58:12] | [R]: | does linux support it/ |
| [02:58:44] | GTRsdk: | Yes, I have been using it in VLC, and it has been showing the video. |
| [02:58:58] | [R]: | then jujst read the mythtv documentation |
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| [02:59:14] | wagnerrp: | is it a capture card or a tuner card? |
| [03:03:05] | GTRsdk: | Do I need a tuner card, along with the capture card? |
| [03:03:20] | wagnerrp: | you need a tuner somewhere in the chain |
| [03:03:43] | wagnerrp: | whether built into the computer, or connected to the capture card and controlled over IR |
| [03:03:57] | wagnerrp: | first off... what do you want to capture? |
| [03:04:05] | wagnerrp: | you said cable... analog or digital? what country? |
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| [03:06:48] | GTRsdk: | cable that is digital, but for now just using an analog capture card (Microsoft IPTV STB) and in the USA |
| [03:07:13] | wagnerrp: | well is it digital cable? or is it IPTV? |
| [03:07:18] | wagnerrp: | those are completely different things |
| [03:08:46] | GTRsdk: | IPTV |
| [03:09:25] | wagnerrp: | if its Microsoft Mediaroom IPTV, analog capture from an external tuner is the only option |
| [03:09:44] | wagnerrp: | you're going to need a capture device, which you have.... you're going to need some manner of controlling the STB |
| [03:09:53] | wagnerrp: | often times that is an IR blaster |
| [03:10:20] | wagnerrp: | but in order to schedule recordings, mythtv needs to be able to control the external tuner and change to the desired channel |
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| [03:11:35] | wagnerrp: | now moving along to your selected capture device, its garbage |
| [03:12:05] | wagnerrp: | its what is called a 'framegrabber', meaning it dumps raw uncompressed audio and video onto the PC, and leaves all the compression up to the PC |
| [03:12:33] | wagnerrp: | the preferred analog recording method is a device that performs all the compression and multiplexing in hardware |
| [03:12:46] | wagnerrp: | something like an old PVR-150 for standard definition, or HDPVR for high definition |
| [03:13:17] | wagnerrp: | second, its only capable of 352x240, meaning its doubly garbage, and not even capable of standard definition |
| [03:14:26] | wagnerrp: | can what you ask be done? sure... should what you ask be done? nope |
| [03:15:42] | GTRsdk: | so would something like an EasyCAP capture card be a framegrabber? |
| [03:16:16] | wagnerrp: | at $7 on amazon, my guess is yes |
| [03:17:36] | wagnerrp: | if you're looking for old and cheap, you want something supported by the IVTV driver... http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware |
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| [09:32:31] | dth_: | wagnerrp: I will be trying mythtv 0.24 now. From what I read people had problems after upgrading to 0.25 with the hvr-1900 / 1950 (essentially the same, just for america) |
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| [09:32:46] | dth_: | Also got myself the mythtv-source to see what really goes on where it derails. |
| [09:34:22] | dth_: | if all fails, I build myself a small webserver yesterday that serves out television for VLC. Since I don't need it for HTPCs and control I might aswell just make my own thing that specifically works for android clients on my lan aswell :-) |
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| [12:55:31] | Azelphur: | Has anyone ever used mythfrontend for android? what video player did you use with it? mythfrontend + vlc seems to not work for me |
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| [13:31:27] | dth_: | Ha! |
| [13:31:59] | dth_: | Using the previous mythtv version fixed it for me. The card now runs with mythtv and even the scan is working. |
| [13:32:30] | dth_: | Azelphur: I used mythfrontend a couple of times. Usually using the internal player did the trick for me. But it was very unreliable to start with. |
| [13:32:52] | Azelphur: | dth_: yea, it's unreliable for me too, I managed to get it to work, but it only seems to work like 20% of the time |
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| [13:51:19] | dth_: | next issue: installing mythtv 0.24 on ubuntu 12.04 .. jeez. |
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| [14:03:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | Azelphur, try bsplayer lite. not all players support HLS stream playback and there's an issue with the mime type in the current package that may prevent other players from working. bsplayer lite seems to work for me with the current release and the mime type fix went into their git repo yesterday which may help some other players work if they support HLS. |
| [14:05:41] | Azelphur: | Captain_Murdoch: nah, bs player seems to not do it either :( |
| [14:05:47] | Azelphur: | just hangs at "Opening..." |
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| [14:12:30] | dth_: | check the backends output while you're doing that. |
| [14:12:46] | dth_: | I think I found out that the backend itself didn't output the data in a timely fashion |
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| [14:30:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | Azelphur, I get that occasionally as well, not sure if that's the player or what. built the app from source so I could test a few things but had a couple different issues and got sidetracked and haven't been able to look into it yet. |
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| [14:34:01] | bill6502: | Captain_Murdoch: Checking 0.26 release note special instructions. Your recent [2b3bd21] changes the recommendations for using: --enable-libmp3lame, can I assume this also applies to the Jul 19 2012 code.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/628ea66 ? |
| [14:35:08] | dth_: | Why would a card that ran using the ivtv interface in 0.24 suddenly not work anymore using the MPEG2-hardware encoder interface in 0.25? Can someone with a working knowledge of mythtv tell me what changes got done to the interface? |
| [14:38:44] | devinheitmueller: | dth_: did you also upgrade your kernel (e.g. update to a new distro)? If so, it's possible that the changes weren't necessarily in Myth but rather in the driver for your card. |
| [14:39:37] | dth_: | true. |
| [14:40:29] | dth_: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/fixes/0 . . . adBuffer.cpp line 513 .. i get that error. |
| [14:40:50] | dth_: | to confirm I will compile mythtv from scratch and leave out the lines 503 – 517 of that function. |
| [14:41:08] | dth_: | as that's the difference between 0.25 and 0.24 implementation |
| [14:41:34] | dth_: | (either that or I'll just add a bit more debug output to see what that new part messes ..) |
| [14:41:41] | dth_: | could be that the new code is just hitting to close to the timeout max. |
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| [14:42:43] | devinheitmueller: | dth_: what card are you using? |
| [14:43:00] | dth_: | wintv hvr-1900 (basically the european version of the hvr-1950) |
| [14:43:01] | dth_: | pvrusb2 driver |
| [14:43:29] | devinheitmueller: | hmmm.... |
| [14:43:31] | dth_: | given what I found on the net, I am not the only one that has problems with that card and mythtv 0.25 in particular. |
| [14:43:45] | dth_: | some people report that after upgrading to 0.25 from 0.24 their card showed the same symptoms mine does. |
| [14:43:51] | devinheitmueller: | Have you talked to Mike Isley? |
| [14:44:04] | dth_: | http://pastebin.com/uwuZqXtw line 181 |
| [14:44:12] | devinheitmueller: | (he's the maintainer for pvrusb2) |
| [14:44:14] | dth_: | No I haven't, at least not to my knowledge :-) |
| [14:45:56] | devinheitmueller: | Hmmm.... Do I have a Surrey kicking around. :-/ |
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| [14:46:05] | dth_: | hmm? |
| [14:46:16] | devinheitmueller: | I will have to see if I have a board to try. |
| [14:47:00] | devinheitmueller: | I think my board is on-loan to j-rod. |
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| [14:48:29] | devinheitmueller: | Seems strange that would have been broken. poll() should work fine on that driver. |
| [14:48:40] | devinheitmueller: | ... and as far as I know there hadn't been any recent changes to the driver. |
| [14:48:51] | ** devinheitmueller wonders if perhaps poll() never worked... ** | |
| [14:49:41] | devinheitmueller: | dth_: so does it work if you remove that poll() call? |
| [14:50:18] | dth_: | I can tell you in a few. |
| [14:50:24] | devinheitmueller: | ok. cool. |
| [14:50:24] | dth_: | What timezone are you in? |
| [14:50:28] | devinheitmueller: | EST |
| [14:51:02] | dth_: | so its 09:50 for you? |
| [14:51:29] | dth_: | UTC+2 here, but I'll try to get it done in the next hour. |
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| [14:56:12] | devinheitmueller: | dth_: it's 10:56. |
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| [15:01:53] | amane: | i have what is probably a stupid question but i have two tv tuners i can watch 2 different channels through pip but when a recording is about to start it forces me to use the tuner that im currently watching tv on to record the show |
| [15:02:16] | amane: | any reason why or a way to fix that |
| [15:04:09] | sphery: | amane: it's called multirec... you need to set different schedule order and live tv order in your capture card setup (though they should be set automatically) |
| [15:04:25] | sphery: | amane: note, though, they are only set (and, really, only "settable") in 0.25+ |
| [15:04:31] | sphery: | so if you're on 0.24 or below, upgrade |
| [15:04:44] | amane: | i just upgraded to .25 |
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| [15:14:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | bill6502, that had to change again at the request of the AAC encoder maintainer in libavcodec. He recommended against releasing with the internal AAC encoder as the default encoder, so basically it works like this: prefer libfaac if using --enable-libfaac, else prefer libmp3lame if using --enable-libmp3lame, else use the internal AAC encoder. so if you --enable-libfaac --enable-libmp3lame, you'll get AAC via libfaac. |
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| [15:18:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | bill6502, sorry, should have looked at the two commits you referenced to make sure I was clear. the 628e commit you reference is the first, the instructions in 2b3bd21 are accurate and what I just described. |
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| [15:35:49] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: do you have a list for log arguments? or just the string? |
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| [15:37:00] | wagnerrp: | trying to write a patch for #11026, that converts it from myth_system to MythSystem, and uses SetNice() and SetIOPrio() |
| [15:37:00] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11026 ** | |
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| [15:43:07] | devinheitmueller: | "when you going to have a driver for colossus for linux? or are we not worth it?" — Hauppauge's Facebook page. :-) |
| [15:44:06] | wagnerrp: | "Please petition X chip manufacturer to release us from their NDA such that we could write a driver for Colossus for Linux" |
| [15:44:42] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: No. Get 1000 other people to complain that they care about Linux and flood their Facebook page with such requests. Then the vendor might seriously pose such a question to the chipset vendor. |
| [15:45:10] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean thats the response on the facebook page |
| [15:45:17] | wagnerrp: | dont bother us, bother the chipset vendor |
| [15:45:23] | devinheitmueller: | If I had a dollar for every Linux user who cared about seeing Colossus work on Linux, I might be able to buy myself a nice dinner. |
| [15:47:03] | devinheitmueller: | The reason the Linux community that wants to see such devices supported doesn't flood Hauppauge' |
| [15:47:15] | devinheitmueller: | s facebook page is *BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST* |
| [15:47:35] | wagnerrp: | wait, so where is the quote from? |
| [15:47:40] | devinheitmueller: | Me. |
| [15:47:46] | wagnerrp: | im confused |
| [15:48:33] | devinheitmueller: | You're such a small minority that if you actually made any effort to make known how big your community is, it would just prove the point that it's not worth anybody's effort. |
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| [15:49:44] | devinheitmueller: | "Look, we're 100 users! Spend tens of thousands of dollars building Linux driver support for a particular board, so you can make $5000.00!" |
| [15:50:23] | devinheitmueller: | Ok, I'm going to be quiet now before I get kickbanned for pointing out reality. |
| [15:50:36] | wagnerrp: | oh, i was actually going the other direction, laying blame on a third party |
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| [15:50:57] | wagnerrp: | and avoiding the irate linux users all together |
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| [15:51:43] | devinheitmueller: | Even if the chip vendor wasn't at fault, why the hell should the product vendor spend all that money for developing Linux driver support, just to sell another few dozen boards? |
| [15:52:12] | devinheitmueller: | ... oh and deal with all the support crap related to dealing with all the different Linux distros and their inconsistencies. |
| [15:52:44] | devinheitmueller: | Ok, I'm done now. |
| [15:53:23] | wagnerrp: | well its a moot point until that first step is resolved |
| [15:53:59] | wagnerrp: | after that, its up to the "community" (read: you guys) to write the linux driver |
| [15:54:00] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [15:55:43] | wagnerrp: | dont mind me, i still havent found it worth getting the python bindings to run on Windows for those three users who want it |
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| [17:13:38] | Azelphur: | Captain_Murdoch: hehe, lemme know if you fix it :D |
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| [17:37:59] | dth_: | devinheitmueller: compiling my version now. |
| [17:52:24] | Beirdo: | for logging, it's just a QString, (or if from C, a printf format and arguments) |
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| [18:26:08] | stoth: | off topic but I know a few people including Beirdo care…. I'm working on the saa7164 HVR2200/2250 driver today…. if you have anything you want to raise then let me know. |
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| [18:35:32] | Beirdo: | Oooh, nice |
| [18:35:53] | Beirdo: | I can't think of anything off-hand, but I'll scratch my mind a bit :) |
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| [18:38:45] | stoth: | Beirdo: I saw some firmware 'pokey' on the forums recently, people having trouble. Wasn't sure if it was users just losing it. |
| [18:39:52] | Beirdo: | Could be. I'm still using an older kernel (2.6.29, I think), so it's possible things have degraded in later kernels |
| [18:41:44] | devinheitmueller: | stoth: tda18271 second tuner fix? :-) |
| [18:42:15] | stoth: | devinheitmueller: yeeeaaaahh. Still waiting for mkrufky's patches, real soon. |
| [18:42:19] | devinheitmueller: | heh |
| [18:42:56] | stoth: | firmware load takes 16 seconds. hmm, perhaps a patch to defer that. |
| [18:43:03] | RagingMind: | stoth, I don't own one yet, but it's what I'm planning to get so any improvements are appreciated |
| [18:43:31] | devinheitmueller: | stoth: Yeah, we really should figure out what that calibration crap is about. |
| [18:43:44] | devinheitmueller: | I bet a second set of eyes will point out that it really should only take one second. |
| [18:43:50] | GTRsdk: | Is there an alternative for using SchedulesDirect.org when in NA? |
| [18:43:55] | ** stoth nods ** | |
| [18:44:06] | stoth: | GTRsdk: it's cheap, support it. |
| [18:44:13] | devinheitmueller: | stoth: Does the 2200 use tda10046? |
| [18:44:19] | stoth: | 48 |
| [18:44:44] | devinheitmueller: | I was talking to a user yesterday with the 1120, who was seeing fishy things with firmware load, where the 10046 firmware load was somehow dependent on the 10045 firmware *NOT* being present. |
| [18:45:06] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, but the 48 still uses the tda1004x driver, right? |
| [18:45:18] | stoth: | no |
| [18:45:21] | devinheitmueller: | ok |
| [18:45:24] | devinheitmueller: | nevermind then. |
| [18:46:04] | RagingMind: | GTRsdk, they are awesome people providing valuable information for cheap :) |
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| [18:53:30] | sphery: | GTRsdk: and Schedules Direct also provides support to Free and Open Source Software communities |
| [18:54:34] | sphery: | GTRsdk: that said, Schedules Direct is the only legal source of program listings data for MythTV users in North America, other than EIT data broadcast in the streams (which is terrible in North America, if even available in your market) |
| [18:55:41] | sphery: | GTRsdk: and, considering for only $25/yr (= $2.08/mo) you're getting the same data that TiVo users pay $15+ per month to get, it's a great deal |
| [18:55:48] | sphery: | it's the best $25/yr I spend |
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| [19:09:57] | dth_: | bwahahaha. |
| [19:10:09] | dth_: | devinheitmueller: taking the code out fixed mythtv for my hvr-1900 ! |
| [19:10:54] | devinheitmueller: | Interesting. |
| [19:11:02] | devinheitmueller: | I wonder then if poll() is just broken on that board. |
| [19:11:09] | dth_: | poll itself might be working. |
| [19:11:13] | dth_: | but i read why that code is in there. |
| [19:11:29] | dth_: | the checkin message according to blame was that there are two types of adapters. |
| [19:11:37] | devinheitmueller: | If you want to hack up a copy of capture.c which demonstrates the issue, you can send it to the linux-media mailing list for comment. |
| [19:12:08] | dth_: | in the event of a read error the one type would require continous tries despite those errors. |
| [19:12:15] | dth_: | the other type would require a reset of the device. |
| [19:12:43] | devinheitmueller: | Well, there are read() errors which are legitmate. |
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| [19:12:57] | devinheitmueller: | I would be interested in knowing which board though prompted that change. |
| [19:13:03] | devinheitmueller: | (since it sounds like a driver issue with that board) |
| [19:15:33] | dth_: | devinheitmueller: http://pastebin.com/Q7hY4ePm that's what i changed. |
| [19:15:44] | GTRsdk: | sphery: by "provides support to Free and Open Source Software communities", does that mean they have people working on MythTV? |
| [19:16:03] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I understand that's the code change. I'm wondering what board somebody had an issue with that prompted the change. |
| [19:16:25] | dth_: | some hdpvr things i think. |
| [19:16:31] | devinheitmueller: | :-/ |
| [19:17:03] | devinheitmueller: | dth_: can you blame the file and see the commit that introduced the change? |
| [19:17:08] | dth_: | sure |
| [19:17:11] | sphery: | GTRsdk: it's actually a not-for-profit formed by developers of MythTV and XMLTV, but I meant that they actually sponsor projects like MythTV and XMLTV |
| [19:17:14] | devinheitmueller: | (I don't have the code checked out here) |
| [19:17:16] | sphery: | GTRsdk: see http://www.schedulesdirect.org/aboutus |
| [19:17:18] | dth_: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blame/fixes/ . . . adBuffer.cpp |
| [19:18:35] | devinheitmueller: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9b224 . . . 60897c6076a3 |
| [19:18:42] | GTRsdk: | Cool |
| [19:19:29] | devinheitmueller: | Might be a question for danielk. :-/ |
| [19:24:45] | devinheitmueller: | OH. |
| [19:24:48] | devinheitmueller: | Hmm.... |
| [19:25:26] | devinheitmueller: | I bet the read call can probably cause blocking which causes timer.elapsed() to cross it's boundary. |
| [19:25:51] | devinheitmueller: | I wonder what would happen if you change the "if (poll_timeout_is_error..." to "else if (poll_timeout_is_error..." |
| [19:26:08] | devinheitmueller: | That would prevent a timeout condition in the even that you needed to clear out pending reads. |
| [19:26:12] | dth_: | poll_timeout_is_error seems to be the variable introduced to differenciate between the two types of devices. |
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| [19:26:24] | dth_: | devinheitmueller: I do have the stuff loaded up, so let me just try it out. |
| [19:26:52] | devinheitmueller: | Note that I've never really looked at this code before, so I'm guess on how it's expected to behave based on a single reading. |
| [19:28:04] | dth_: | Oh. those two blocks are from two different commits. |
| [19:28:13] | devinheitmueller: | Ah, here's something else to try. Save a flag indicating whether the "if ((poll_cnt > 1)..." statement returned to true, and then print it in the LOG() function a bit further down. That will tell us whether the Poll giving up condition is actually tied to the ::read() call. |
| [19:29:08] | devinheitmueller: | stoth: does the hdpvr enter free running mode when no signal present? Or does it actually block I/O? |
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| [19:30:51] | devinheitmueller: | Hmmm, I bet the AD decoder supports free-running mode but the Linux driver isn't putting it into that mode. |
| [19:31:10] | stoth: | devinheitmueller: The video decoder goes into free-run mode, but the encoder chokes very quick and dies. More than likely, the USB never return, or return on a timeout with errors. Driver, not sure, I'd expect a -EIO or something. |
| [19:31:22] | stoth: | (USB / URBS) |
| [19:31:23] | devinheitmueller: | stoth: k. |
| [19:31:40] | devinheitmueller: | The encoder chokes on free-run mode? Really? |
| [19:31:57] | stoth: | the compressor, yes. |
| [19:31:59] | devinheitmueller: | ouch. |
| [19:32:01] | devinheitmueller: | ok. |
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| [19:32:16] | stoth: | actually, it chokes on the interval between broken video, and free-run kicking in. |
| [19:32:23] | devinheitmueller: | gothca |
| [19:32:25] | stoth: | no matter how small the window is. |
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| [19:33:10] | loganrun: | I need to get a mid to high end center speaker, does anyone know where I can find good info on this? I have been googling and searching for a while, but I can't tell what is better, mirage, polk, paradigm, energy, klipsch, or something else. The reviews are generally too vague. |
| [19:38:36] | dth_: | bbl |
| [19:38:37] | AndyCap: | loganrun: what do you expect from reviewers of snake-oil and voodoo? :) |
| [19:38:50] | dth_: | I do like my LG entertainment system. |
| [19:39:00] | dth_: | DTS capable and 5.1 |
| [19:39:06] | dth_: | and nice bass-speaker. |
| [19:39:14] | dth_: | and it was < 500 EUR |
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| [19:41:12] | loganrun: | AndyCap, about that much I guess |
| [19:41:25] | loganrun: | AndyCap: still I need a solution |
| [19:41:57] | AndyCap: | loganrun: why not something from those who made your front speakers? |
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| [19:42:59] | loganrun: | AndyCap, I currently only have a pair of mirage speakers and a wolf wolf, an energy sub wolfer |
| [19:43:27] | loganrun: | AnyCap: they are pretty good, but pretty old |
| [19:43:38] | AndyCap: | ok. |
| [19:43:38] | loganrun: | figure they would be good real speakers |
| [19:44:05] | loganrun: | mirage does make center speakers, but I have no idea how they compare to the other companies |
| [19:44:22] | loganrun: | I don't live in an area where I can demo them |
| [19:56:55] | GTRsdk: | Would something like http://amzn.com/B000AR0JFY work for a TV tuner with MythTV? |
| [19:57:21] | wagnerrp: | i dont think we support devices that encode to MPEG1 |
| [19:57:26] | wagnerrp: | assuming there are even drivers for it |
| [19:57:45] | wagnerrp: | do you actually need USB? |
| [19:58:18] | GTRsdk: | USB is preferred with my current hardware, but for a future box, I think PCI-e would work. |
| [19:58:53] | sphery: | MPEG-1... what is it 360x270? |
| [19:59:11] | wagnerrp: | if you need USB... http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1192-HVR-1950 . . . p/B00198MYB0 |
| [19:59:27] | wagnerrp: | if you can use PCIe... http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1213-WinTV-HV . . . p/B001E2V7R8 |
| [19:59:41] | sphery: | hmmm... guess mpeg-1 supports up to 4095x4095 |
| [19:59:50] | wagnerrp: | if you want something cheaper, look on ebay for a PVR-USB2, or PVR-150 |
| [20:00:26] | sphery: | I thought it only did SIF |
| [20:00:30] | wagnerrp: | the device he has now only does 352x240 |
| [20:01:29] | sphery: | yeah, I was off on my SIF resolution |
| [20:01:44] | GTRsdk: | so the chances of being able to get a tuner or capture card (or maybe a combo one) that does 720p for under $50 are... non existent? |
| [20:02:11] | sphery: | digital capture is cheap... generally about $50/tuner |
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| [20:02:22] | sphery: | you really want analog capture? |
| [20:02:30] | wagnerrp: | digital tuner is no go, unless hes limiting to an antenna |
| [20:02:37] | wagnerrp: | hes on a provider using MS Mediaroom |
| [20:02:41] | sphery: | oh |
| [20:03:06] | sphery: | so 720p means 1280x720--meaning only HD-PVR for him? |
| [20:03:38] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [20:03:41] | sphery: | (if you meant 720x480 or equivalent "NTSC-like" resolution, PVR-150 or PVR-USB2 would work) |
| [20:04:13] | sphery: | with all the ugliness of NTSC, even :) |
| [20:04:44] | sphery: | on the bright side, HD-PVR is USB, though :) |
| [20:05:13] | wagnerrp: | doesnt look like its going for much less than $200 anywhere |
| [20:09:30] | GTRsdk: | would HDMI capture still be considered analog capture? |
| [20:09:40] | wagnerrp: | HDMI capture doesnt exist |
| [20:09:56] | wagnerrp: | your STB will be encrypting the output with HDCP, making capture impossible |
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| [20:11:35] | wagnerrp: | that is to say... there are devices that will do HDMI capture, but due to licensing and DRM concerns, none of them will capture encrypted content |
| [20:15:52] | GTRsdk: | so for video quality... Would i be able to use an analog capture card and still get 1080i captures? |
| [20:16:31] | wagnerrp: | by analog capture card, you mean an external USB HDPVR, yes |
| [20:16:47] | wagnerrp: | that is the only HD analog capture device mythtv currently supports |
| [20:16:57] | wagnerrp: | and the only one really support in linux |
| [20:17:05] | wagnerrp: | *supported |
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| [22:24:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | GTRsdk: I have two HD-PVRs – great devices. All of my Myth recordings have been in HD for about 2–1/2 years now. ;-) |
| [22:25:11] | ** J-e-f-f-A shudders to think it's been that long... he's getting OLD! ** | |
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| [22:51:22] | GTRsdk: | Cool |
| [22:54:12] | Arden: | I added a hard drive to my system but it doesn't stay mounted after reboot. |
| [22:55:38] | Arden: | this is my fstab entry /dev/sdd1 /mnt/data/flash lustre defaults,_netdev 0 0 |
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| [23:05:17] | dth_: | Hmm. The problem with that code seemed to be that the HVR-1900 takes about 2.5 seconds to change channels. and thats longer than any timeout mythtv grants it. |
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| [23:07:50] | wagnerrp: | why are you using lustre? |
| [23:08:24] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt even make sense |
| [23:08:42] | wagnerrp: | lustre is a distributed filesystem, used for data centers and compute clusters |
| [23:08:53] | wagnerrp: | you wouldnt use it on a single drive |
| [23:09:30] | wagnerrp: | and you still need to use some other filesystem as the backing store, similar to NFS or CIFS |
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| [23:12:19] | wagnerrp: | Arden: what you said above makes no sense |
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