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Sunday, August 19th, 2012, 00:00 UTC

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tgm4883:

sphery, it worked!

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wagnerrp:

something to do with theming?

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sphery:

glad it worked

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sphery:

(looking forward to finding out what it is :)

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sphery:

perhaps you got some team members for the theme?

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tgm4883:

team members, I'm not sure

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tgm4883:

but someone submitted a patch with a bunch of fixes

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tgm4883:

so it's a start

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

perhaps people can be guilted into helping :)

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tgm4883:

these are good fixes too

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tgm4883:

is there anything special I need to do with git to apply it

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tgm4883:

I applied it locally using patch

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sphery:

did they do a pull request?

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sphery:

if so, you can go to github and just click a button to accept it

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wagnerrp:

if doing it manually, you likely want to supply the author and time

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sphery:

if not, then I'd recommend git commit --author='Person Name <person@email.address >' -x

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wagnerrp:

and '-x' marks you as signing off

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sphery:

hehe, I've never done the time for mine

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tgm4883:

no, they just emailed me a diff

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sphery:

yeah, I suggest the --author and -x

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sphery:

can do --date if you like

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tgm4883:

ok will do

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tgm4883:

I've updated to 0.26 as well, so I'll need to figure out how to do a branch for that

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tgm4883:

I'll probably be here asking about that later, I've got dinner to finish cooking now

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sphery:

hehe, I'll leave that answer for someone else--I've never done that with git, yet

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sphery:

I have a guess as to how to do it, but wouldn't want to lead you astray

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tgm4883:

sphery, wagnerrp my git doesn't know -x?

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wagnerrp:

-s

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sphery:

er, -s

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sphery:

sorry

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sphery:

-x is the backport one

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sphery:

or --signoff

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DeviceZer0:

hello all. Is there any easy way to enable a userjob to be run on each recording after it has finished recording? Or do I need to edit all 50+ rules?

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DeviceZer0:

Oh also...all my mythtv-setup stuff has to be done over mythweb.....running mythtv-setup over ssh does not work...some weird bug or something in xorg.

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wagnerrp:

sounds like xorg is doing strange things that causes painter detection to fail

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wagnerrp:

try -O ThemePainter=qt

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wagnerrp:

jobs get assigned to a recording when it has finished recording, based off whatever is specified in the rule

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wagnerrp:

if you change the rule, all subsequent recordings made with that rule will follow

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DeviceZer0:

no luck with using -O ThemePainter=qt

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wagnerrp:

any existing recordings, you can add to a playlist in "Watch Recordings", and then run the job for all items in the playlist

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wagnerrp:

try -O ThemePainter=opengl

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DeviceZer0:

its something todo with zenity or something. Ive looked into once or twice and have not found a solution

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wagnerrp:

stop using ssh, and just point the remote machine directly at the X server

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DeviceZer0:

?

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DeviceZer0:

my backend is a headless box

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

youre having problems running the mythtv-setup wrapper script

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wagnerrp:

not the binary application formerly known as mythtv-setup

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DeviceZer0:

So I guess only way to enable the userjob to run is to edit each rule

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DeviceZer0:

I dont think so

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DeviceZer0:

I can run mythv-setup.real

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DeviceZer0:

and it still does it

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wagnerrp:

then what does zenity have anything to do with?

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DeviceZer0:

no idea

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt use zenity for anything

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** DeviceZer0 shrugs **

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wagnerrp:

as i was saying, X11 is a networked application

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DeviceZer0:

I really dont know much about it

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DeviceZer0:

http://pastebin.com/A8sEErqa

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wagnerrp:

skip ssh, and point your application directly at your remote X server

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DeviceZer0:

I'm not gonna run xorg on that box just to use mythtv-setup.

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wagnerrp:

you already are

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wagnerrp:

how else would you run mythtv-setup

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DeviceZer0:

not my backend

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DeviceZer0:

*on my

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wagnerrp:

im not talking about your backend

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DeviceZer0:

<+wagnerrp> skip ssh, and point your application directly at your remote X server <---- there is no remote X server

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DeviceZer0:

just the local one on my desktop

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wagnerrp:

yes! that is the remote X server!

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DeviceZer0:

opposite day \o/

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wagnerrp:

from the applications point of view, it is remote

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DeviceZer0:

lol

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DeviceZer0:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

so on your desktop, you disable authentication... 'xhost +yourserver'

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DeviceZer0:

so your saying to somehow tell mythtv-setup.real to use a remote xorg(my desktop)?

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wagnerrp:

on your server, you point at your desktop... 'export DISPLAY=yourdesktop:0'

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wagnerrp:

magic!

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DeviceZer0:

yourserver being ip?

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wagnerrp:

or hostname, if you have hostname resolution configured

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DeviceZer0:

and I'm assuming this needs to be allowed in a firewall?

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wagnerrp:

you would be correct

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DeviceZer0:

hmmm. thought that would be why it failed...no firewall is on

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wagnerrp:

Xorg must be configured to listen on the network

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DeviceZer0:

oh ewwww

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DeviceZer0:

ill just stick with using mythweb for now. But that is a nice thing to know about running apps on remote xorg's

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wagnerrp:

eew?

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wagnerrp:

why eew?

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DeviceZer0:

seems like a horrible idea

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wagnerrp:

surely "eew" would be trying to pump all that data through an encrypted ssh connection, when you are already on a known secure network

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DeviceZer0:

like running vnc

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wagnerrp:

whats wrong with running vnc?

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DeviceZer0:

I just dont like exposing something like that to the newwork

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wagnerrp:

its your own private home network

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wagnerrp:

do you realize what someone could do to your system through mythtv if they got on your network?

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DeviceZer0:

yup

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wagnerrp:

besides, you could always leave authentication enabled

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wagnerrp:

and manually manage the magic cookie exchange

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wagnerrp:

basically a one-time-pad, regenerated each time you restart the X server

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DeviceZer0:

ah yea

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petefunk:

Is there a way in mythui to apply a shear directly to an imagetype? Sort of how it works in reflection?

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plut0:

can anyone assist with setting up mythtv on Verizon FIOS?

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plut0:

can't find any docs on setting up with FIOS

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plut0:

and i'm not having any luck

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wagnerrp:

should be the same as setting it up with anything else

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plut0:

scanner isn't finding anything

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wagnerrp:

of course not

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plut0:

channels are blank

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wagnerrp:

thats why you dont use the scanner

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wagnerrp:

pull your lineup from your schedules direct accoutn

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plut0:

i did that and mythtv said you have no channels until you scan

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv are you running?

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plut0:

.24

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wagnerrp:

upgrade

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plut0:

i will

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt properly support the Prime on 0.24

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plut0:

oh really?

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wagnerrp:

so there was a clumsy method you needed to go through to fetch your channel lineup

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wagnerrp:

and another clumsy method you needed to go through to actually use all three tuners on the Prime

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plut0:

and where was this documented?

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wagnerrp:

it was on the wiki at one point

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plut0:

this references .24 http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun_Prime

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Configuring_ . . . ;oldid=53554

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wagnerrp:

the clumsy 0.24 directions were removed in favor of directions to upgrade to 0.25, and a much cleaner configuration in 0.25

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plut0:

how can i cleanup the mess in my database now?

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wagnerrp:

upgrade

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plut0:

wanted to delete these channels

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wagnerrp:

so delete the whole video source

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wagnerrp:

and start with a fresh new one

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plut0:

that will delete the channels also?

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wagnerrp:

the video source holds the channels

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wagnerrp:

with no video source, there can be no channels

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wagnerrp:

that is the singular purpose of the video source

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plut0:

ok

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plut0:

perfect

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plut0:

wagnerrp: thanks for being so helpful

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wagnerrp:

for future reference, nebulous questions like "help me set up mythtv with fios" wont get you far, since you're artificially limiting yourself from a whole bunch of people who likely could help, but have nothing to do with fios

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wagnerrp:

more specific questions like "im having problems scanning with my hdhomerun prime" get a much more immediate solution

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plut0:

yeah i know

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wagnerrp:

why does trogod feel the need to dump his life's story onto the wiki?

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n1md4:

Morning. I'm trying to get IR remote working, but can't quite grasp the basics. What are the essential files required to get communication working? I've the Nova-T 500 DVB-T and Snowboard remote.

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n1md4:

ir-keytable detects /dev/input/event16.

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n1md4:

lircd.conf includes lircd.conf.hauppauge_novat500 and lircd is running, but running evtest /dev/input/event16 yields no results.

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dkam:

Hello – I recently upgraded from 0.25 on 11.10 to 0.25 on 12.04 and have lost my volume control. (Using PCM)

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dkam:

I can change volume with alsamixer if I ssh in, and that seems to be the only way to adjust sound.

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Twiggy2cents:

what is some good ./configure options? I normally use no options but was told I should use some basic ones that i dont remember

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wagnerrp:

just --enable-proc-opts

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Twiggy2cents:

okay

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wagnerrp:

if you want advanced features things like airplay, or hls, or crystalhd support, etc.... there may be other options you need to enable

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Twiggy2cents:

Unknown option "--enable-proc-opts".

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wagnerrp:

try no 's'

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Twiggy2cents:

yeah, I realized that it was probably in --help

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Twiggy2cents:

and -j4 for my core2duo?

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wagnerrp:

if youve got the memory for it

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wagnerrp:

you'll want maybe 2GB of available memory to do -j4

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Twiggy2cents:

hmm I have 2gb of total memory on this computer

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wagnerrp:

you might start to hit swap on -j4

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Twiggy2cents:

Shouldnt be an issue if I leave it alone right? Is the memory for the kernel reserved?

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wagnerrp:

you're likely better off just doing -j3

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Twiggy2cents:

so what are the j levels?

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Twiggy2cents:

Amount of jobs?

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wagnerrp:

simultaneous jobs

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Twiggy2cents:

gotcha

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wagnerrp:

each of those CC runs might consume somewhere between 50–750MB, depending on the size of the source file (and includes) that it is compiling

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wagnerrp:

there are one or two sections where you hit a large group of large files, all being built sequentially

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wagnerrp:

which becomes your bottleneck trying to build mythtv in parallel on systems with limited memory

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wagnerrp:

a couple years back, one of my machines had 1GB of memory and no swap

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wagnerrp:

i kept getting these strange compiler errors, which it turns out were caused by the OOM killer

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wagnerrp:

it would OOM at -j2, but was fine at -j1

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Twiggy2cents:

I have ~200 MB of mem available

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wagnerrp:

im sure you have far more than thta

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Twiggy2cents:

Does top not read individual memory consumption very well?

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wagnerrp:

it does read memory consumption very well

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wagnerrp:

more likely you aren't reading top very well

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Twiggy2cents:

I just took the total mem avail from top and converted it to MB

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Twiggy2cents:

more than likely

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wagnerrp:

could you post the two lines from `top` that start with Mem: and Swap:?

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wagnerrp:

just paste them in here

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Twiggy2cents:

Mem: 2042108k total, 1961156k used, 80952k free, 5608k buffers

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wagnerrp:

next one too

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wagnerrp:

its important

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Twiggy2cents:

Swap: 8191996k total, 117600k used, 8074396k free, 678824k cached

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Twiggy2cents:

The mem bounces around a lot

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Twiggy2cents:

it is up around Mem: 2042108k total, 1762700k used, 279408k free, 6004k buffers

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Twiggy2cents:

alot

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wagnerrp:

so, you have 1994MB total (which means ~30MB used by onboard graphics?)

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wagnerrp:

and currently 742MB is free for use

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Twiggy2cents:

yeah I am using onboard graphics

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wagnerrp:

you are currently using 1252MB, plus another 110MB of swap

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wagnerrp:

thats awfully high

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wagnerrp:

you are running a frontend on this machine?

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Twiggy2cents:

no it is just running make -j3

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wagnerrp:

oh, you're saying thats what is in use during the compile....

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Twiggy2cents:

LOL yeah

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Twiggy2cents:

that would be pretty horrible if that was idle

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wagnerrp:

huh....

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wagnerrp:

Mem: 2569436k total

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wagnerrp:

as far as i know, i only have 2GB installed in that machine

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wagnerrp:

thats disconcerting

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wagnerrp:

anyway, that last value, the 'cached' number

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wagnerrp:

that is your disk cache

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wagnerrp:

and will consume as much free memory as it can to limit how much you have to read from your disk

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wagnerrp:

if any application otherwise needs that memory, the cache will be flushed, so it can be considered as part of your "free" memory

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Twiggy2cents:

I notice it doesnt change as rapidly as the actual free mem

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh

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Twiggy2cents:

Mem: 2042108k total, 1734492k used, 307616k free, 97464k buffers

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wagnerrp:

free memory will only get consumed by disk cache as you actually read from the disk

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wagnerrp:

so it will only slowly grow

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Twiggy2cents:

how come it would be higher now? Do some parts require more resources than others while compiling?

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wagnerrp:

on the other hand, you have large applications consuming hundreds of MB of memory at a time, and then suddenly closing

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wagnerrp:

when they close, the memory gets dumped back into the free pool

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wagnerrp:

and will remain there until you use it in another application, or read something from the disk to cache

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Twiggy2cents:

well I have to run. This is a fresh compile, I should of timed it... Does make distclean make for a fresh compile?

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wagnerrp:

yes, assuming you arent using ccache

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can be expected to use somewhere around 1GB of ccache for a single build

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Twiggy2cents:

I am, is there a way to temporarily disable it to time compiles? Or flush the ccache?

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wagnerrp:

i believe there is a configure flag to disable it

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wagnerrp:

or you can just flush it

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Twiggy2cents:

ccache -C clears it, since that is the only thing that i compile it would be basically the same thing as disabling it.

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Twiggy2cents:

Well thanks for the advice

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Twiggy2cents:

Do I need to do any sort of dist clean on the plugins? I dont know if there is equivalent for qmake.

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Twiggy2cents:

s/dist clean/distclean

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Twiggy2cents:

Referencing this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_ . . . mpile_MythTV it says that the libraries should be in lib64 if it is x86_64. My computer has a 64 bit distro on it and my libraries are in lib. Was the person wrong or did something change from the time this was written. Or did I do something wrong?

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wagnerrp:

depends on the distro

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, native (64-bit) libraries should be in ./lib

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wagnerrp:

compatibility libraries should be in ./lib32, or just outright omitted

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wagnerrp:

but eight years later, too many people still think 32-bit is the standard

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sphery:

hehe, wonder if wagnerrp will like it when distros (at least Debian/Ubuntu) switch to using arch-specific lib dir names for everything to get multiarch support--i.e. /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu and /usr/lib/powerpc64-linux-gnu and /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/ and ... (as described at FOSDEM presentation--in PDF: http://wookware.org/talks/multiarch-fosdem2012.pdf )

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wagnerrp:

what ever happened to those "fat" binaries?

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sphery:

? something with multi-arch support?

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sphery:

or just statically linking everything?

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wagnerrp:

rather than a standard single-architecture ELF binary

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wagnerrp:

you have an archive package, containing multiple binaries of multiple architectures in a single file

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wagnerrp:

and the kernel/linker only loads the version it wants

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

that would be fun to compile--double, triple, or ... the work every time

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wagnerrp:

well only packagers would bother to do that

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wagnerrp:

but it would allow them to offer a single package for everyone

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sphery:

I don't know enough about packaging to know if that would actually help packagers much--though it would probably make it easier for users to find what they need

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wagnerrp:

just makes for a cleaner, simpler filesystem

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wagnerrp:

well, directory structure

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wagnerrp:

only one place to go for whatever you're looking for

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sphery:

yeah, the multiarch lib proposal doesn't deal with binaries, at all... no idea how they would handle them

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sphery:

I really don't want a /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu on my system :)

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adamu:

Hello, I am wondering if anyone is successfully using the pulse-eight usb cec adapter for there setup

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tgm4883:

where do you enable mythwelcome in master? I'm trying to reproduce a bug so I can fix the theme, but when I launch mythwelcome it just comes up with a blank background

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Shadow__X:

newegg has a sale on the hdhome run prime 3 tuner for 130

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tgm4883:

hmm, actually it seems it just took a really really long time to draw things

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: is it the hdhomerun prime? or the hdhomerun 3?

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Shadow__X:

prime http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 5345006-L07C

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plut0:

wagnerrp: hey you around?

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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plut0:

wagnerrp: thanks for the help yesterday, .25 worked like a charm

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wagnerrp:

if i didnt know better, i'd think you were watching the logs and pounced

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wagnerrp:

:P

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plut0:

what logs? irc?

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plut0:

i do have a question though

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wagnerrp:

shoot

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plut0:

should the HDHR prime tuner settings max recordings be to set to 1 or 2?

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wagnerrp:

in theory, it shouldnt give you the option

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plut0:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

if you are using a cablecard, you can only access one stream per tuner at a time

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plut0:

is the correct way to add 3 individual tuners and set max recordings to 1?

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wagnerrp:

three tuners, yes

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plut0:

thats what i thought

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tgm4883:

so themes scale for the screen resolution, so what exactly is the point of <baseres> ? Just so I can give numbers when doing layout?

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tgm4883:

does it affect textsize or how much text is shown?

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plut0:

i like how all the plugins are in 1 package now for gentoo

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Seeker`:

tgm4883: if you give an area of 192x108 in a 1920x1080 baseres theme, it'll take up 10% of the width of the screen and 10% of the height

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Seeker`:

so when it scales to, say, 1280x720, it knows to scale it to 128x72

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tgm4883:

Seeker`, ok, so it's purely so cosmetic so I can space/size things correctly and I don't have to worry about what it will look like on other sized screens

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Seeker`:

I believe so, yes

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tgm4883:

Captain_Murdoch, Do I need to notify you that the Mythbuntu theme works for 0.26 now or does simply having a fixes/0.26 branch do that?

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sphery:

tgm4883: yes, baseres allows you to give numbers during layout and sets font size when specified in point size--where we normalize everything to baseres@100dpi

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tgm4883:

sphery, so there is no reason for me to think I need to set baseres to 1920x1080 and redo the theme?

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sphery:

that said, there is some slop required because of rounding

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

1280x720 is fine for baseres

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sphery:

800x600 not so much

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tgm4883:

sphery, then why show that in the theme downloader?

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tgm4883:

seems irrelevant to end users

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tgm4883:

I could see showing 4:3, 16:9, or 16:10 though

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sphery:

good question

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sphery:

yeah, aspect is important

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sphery:

resolution probably mainly for the "that looks like it's off by 1 pixel due to rounding because it had to scale it" crowd

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tgm4883:

meh, I think i'm going to drop that from the theme

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tgm4883:

go aspect ratio

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sphery:

you mean drop the mention in the theme description or something?

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sphery:

if so, probably a good idea

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tgm4883:

sphery, yea

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tgm4883:

in the theme downloader it shows the res

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sphery:

btw, should I be calling you Thomas or Tom on list... I'm just used to calling you tgm<tab>, but that isn't ideal for the list

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sphery:

just wondered what you prefer to go by

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tgm4883:

Thomas

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sphery:

ok, will do--that's what I guessed in the e-mail I sent, since that's how you signed your mails, but wanted to make sure

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tgm4883:

so there doesn't seem to be a chooser XML file

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tgm4883:

and nothing on the wiki either

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sphery:

you mean for your "now ready for 0.26"?

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sphery:

if so, just mentioning it to Capt M, as you did above, should be enough

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tgm4883:

no I mean so I can stop if from mentioning resolution :)

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sphery:

ah, I think we just have some code that pulls stuff out of themeinfo.xml

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tgm4883:

hmm

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sphery:

but discussing that with CM is probably a good approach, too

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sphery:

he may agree that it's not necessary and should be shown as an aspect

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tgm4883:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ThemeChooser

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tgm4883:

that indicates that the themers can do stuff with it

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sphery:

ah, I think it puts all the info into the infomap, which is used to allow the themers to choose what's displayed in the theme chooser, which you can theme in the <window name="themechooser"> section of settings-ui.xml

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sphery:

so you can change what's displayed in the theme chooser when the user is already using your theme, but can't affect whether other themes show your theme's resolution :)

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tgm4883:

sphery, ah that seems t be it

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tgm4883:

right

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tgm4883:

I think I'm OK with taking that stand

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sphery:

default's themechooser window shows resolution: http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . s-ui.xml#n64

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sphery:

so if Mythbuntu just inherits from default, that's why you're seeing it

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tgm4883:

I see it in there, so I'll kill the resolution section and Move the aspect ratio over

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sphery:

cool

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tgm4883:

yea that works

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tgm4883:

sphery, is there a good way to deal with theme versions in git? I'm committing to master then merging with the 0.26 and 0.25 branch, but I always seem to have conflicts with themeinfo.xml since I have to update the version for each branch

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tgm4883:

I'm starting to think we shouldn't have done major and minor versions of our theme that link to the mythtv version

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sphery:

not sure how to handle that

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tgm4883:

maybe if I don't touch version in master, it will work itself out

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tgm4883:

If anyone is running master, can they confirm that automatically marking as watched at the end of a recording isn't working? I searched, but I don't see a bug filed on this

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flyback:

p3 1ghz

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flyback:

512mb ram (max)

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flyback:

either plain bt878a or pvr250

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flyback:

does it have enough power to stream tv over local 1gb lan

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flyback:

sd resolution btw

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sphery:

it could record using PVR-x50, but don't go with bt878 or any other frame grabber

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flyback:

I don't even need record

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flyback:

just stream so I don't need 2 tv's

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sphery:

playback might be possible if you're recording with PVR-x50, but not ideal on that machine

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sphery:

MythTV records everything--it's a Digital Video /Recorder/

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flyback:

it would just be dumping the mpeg-2 stream to lan

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flyback:

ok mabye I need another sw package then

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sphery:

it's also a high-end, luxury DVR, for which you're best served choosing reasonably modern hardware

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flyback:

yeah I know

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sphery:

IMHO, Core 2 Duo or better CPU and good nvidia video card (around about GF220 or so)

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flyback:

mabye I will just buy another micro stb box from comcast then

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sphery:

but if you just want to watch whatever garbage is currently airing, there are many other much simpler applications that could do that

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sphery:

that said, MythTV is very nice once you get it working with good hardware

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flyback:

thx

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flyback:

I know I was planning to setup one many yrs ago

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sphery:

but these days--with cable and satellite companies offering 4+ tuner DVRs that can stream to any TV in the house--you can get much of the benefits at no time cost to you and much lower hardware cost by just going with theirs

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sphery:

but if you're looking for a hobby--and don't mind spending some money on it... :)

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wagnerrp:

anyone else find the email address "gnurocks (at) hotmail.com" amusing?

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wagnerrp:

i would expect any gnu advocate to shirk away from anything microsoft like a vampire from sunlight

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sphery:

hehe--though their new outlook.com is actually nice (especially compared to hotmail.com)

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sphery:

but I know what you're saying--reality is seldom a consideration for a true zealout

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sphery:

zealot

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mythschema:

Hello, I am having some trouble with a new mythtv installation

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mythschema:

My combined backend frontend works ok

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mythschema:

my remote frontend gives the following error

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mythschema:

Error: MythTV database has newer TV schema (1299) than expected (1264)

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wagnerrp:

upgrade your remote frontend

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wagnerrp:

your combo machine is 0.25, your remote frontend is 0.24

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wagnerrp:

0.24 is not allowed to connect to 0.25

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mythschema:

ah ok thx

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Twiggy2cents:

heh sphery if I told someone that I had a luxury dvr system they would say that cant be true because I dont pay for it!

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Twiggy2cents:

Obviously if you have to pay a subscription that means that it is better

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wagnerrp:

oh, but you do

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Twiggy2cents:

Yeah but they dont get that

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Twiggy2cents:

They ask me to set one up for them, and they get an immediate response of NO.

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Twiggy2cents:

They seem to think it is cheap and easy to set up

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ryao:

I have MythTV installed on my Gentoo Linux system, but I have having trouble configuring the backend with my Ceton InfiniTV. It says that opening the card failed when I try to do the channel scan.

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Sharky112065:

ryao: do not do the channel scan with ceton's use the option to the right of that.

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Sharky112065:

ryao: I do not remember the exact wording of it. Something like fetch from source or something

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ryao:

Shadow__X: "Fetch channels from listings source". Do I just wait after I click it? It says "This uses the listings data source to provide the channels for this input. This can take a long time to run.".

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wagnerrp:

it should happen quickly

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Sharky112065:

should be quick

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[R]:

wagnerrp: that's what she said

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Sharky112065:

lol

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wagnerrp:

it expects you to have provides your schedules direct account information

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wagnerrp:

*provided

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ryao:

It says this on the console: http://bpaste.net/show/41128/

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