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| [01:14:27] | ubuntuaddicted: | is the IP address for the backend defined somewhere? |
| [01:15:32] | ubuntuaddicted: | when i try to access mythweb, its looking for 192.168.1.5 versus 192.168.0.5. |
| [01:17:15] | ubuntuaddicted: | my hosts file is correct with the hostnames and all. |
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| [01:38:22] | n1md4: | hello. I've recently run an upgrade on Ubuntu for my mythtv install, and it now reports it's not possible to connect to the backend, despite it actually running. Any ideas? |
| [01:38:39] | bill6502: | ubuntuaddicted: Sure, mythtv-setup, General section. In 0.25 and later, there are 3 IP address fields (IPs, not hostnames) |
| [01:39:50] | bill6502: | n1md4: Upgrade from what to what, e.g. 0.24 to 0.25? |
| [01:40:51] | n1md4: | bill6502: I'd assume form 0.24, and definitely to 0.25. |
| [01:41:23] | bill6502: | n1md4: OK, and are you running a distribution such as mythbuntu? |
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| [01:42:42] | n1md4: | No, Ubuntu 12.04 with mythtv-desktop installed; it was the easiest way to get raid1 during install. |
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| [01:44:12] | bill6502: | n1md4: Your logs are probably in /var/log/syslog. To be sure, type ps axl|grep mythbackend. Do you see: --syslog none, or --logpath /var/log/mythtv? |
| [01:44:37] | bill6502: | s/syslog none/syslog local7/ |
| [01:45:32] | n1md4: | local17 |
| [01:45:50] | n1md4: | s/17/7 |
| [01:46:10] | ubuntuaddicted: | bill6502, the IP is correct in that setup.?? |
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| [01:48:11] | bill6502: | ubuntuaddicted: Good, do the IP address and Master backend IP address match? |
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| [01:50:57] | n1md4: | bill6502: the only clue is this http://pastie.org/4541654 |
| [01:54:14] | n1md4: | bill6502: Here are a few more that might help http://pastie.org/4541667 |
| [01:54:40] | bill6502: | n1md4: I much prefer --logpath /var/log/mythtv over --syslog, but do you see anything like CoreContext serverpool.cpp:395 (listen) – Listening on TCP 127.0.0.1:6544 etc |
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| [01:56:55] | n1md4: | bill6502: Yes, "Failed listening on TCP [fe80::21d:7dff:fee6:2930%eth0]" |
| [01:57:59] | n1md4: | I've not setup IPv6 though, not sure what that's about. In mythtv-setup IPv6 is set to "::1"; I confess, I haven't worked out how v6 works yet. |
| [01:58:25] | joobie: | hey guys.. which brand nvidia would be better – inno3d, gigabyte or asus? |
| [01:58:29] | joobie: | asus is more expensive btw..... |
| [01:59:06] | bill6502: | n1md4: ::1 is the IPv6 local host address, and OK. |
| [02:01:38] | bill6502: | n1md4: Same question as for ubuntuaddicted, in mythtv-setup, do the IP address and Master backend IP match and match the output of the address in ifconfig? |
| [02:03:14] | n1md4: | bill6502: lo address is 127.0.0.1 and that's whats set in mythtv-setup -> General, on the first page. |
| [02:04:40] | bill6502: | n1md4: Back to your initial question, is the connection failure you're asking about from a frontend? |
| [02:05:43] | n1md4: | bill6502: It happens when I run mythtv-setup, frontend, mythfilldatabase |
| [02:07:16] | bill6502: | n1md4: OK, here's what I do. In /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf change the --syslog local7 to --logpath /var/log/mythtv (you should have that directory writable by user mythtv.) |
| [02:08:30] | bill6502: | then restart the backend. Paste the the output of /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.20120817hhmmss.log |
| [02:08:52] | n1md4: | Before I do that, I checked syslog anyway, and there seems to be either a conflict or error that indicates that mythtv is not at fault. ntpd failed to create a socket on the same ipv6 address and port ... + |
| [02:08:56] | n1md4: | ? |
| [02:09:07] | Seeker`: | joobie: they'll all be implementng the same reference desigm |
| [02:09:27] | bill6502: | Quick and dirty fix to to turn off IPv6. Do you want to do that? |
| [02:09:46] | n1md4: | bill6502: Quick is fine. |
| [02:09:53] | Seeker`: | if you're just running a mythtv system you wont be stressing the card enough to make any difference |
| [02:10:12] | bill6502: | n1md4: Give me a sec. |
| [02:12:47] | bill6502: | n1md4: In /etc/sysctl.d, create a file called 60-ipv6off.conf. Put net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 in that file and reboot. IPv6 will be off. |
| [02:12:56] | joobie: | Seeker`, i want to run mythtv with xbmc |
| [02:12:58] | n1md4: | bill6502: I've changed the mythtv-backend.conf too. |
| [02:13:10] | joobie: | Seeker`, but also, i wanted to connect two tv's to this box |
| [02:13:16] | joobie: | to run independantly if possible |
| [02:13:24] | Seeker`: | this is a mythtv channel |
| [02:13:28] | joobie: | how would i do this Seeker` ? |
| [02:13:33] | Seeker`: | not XBMC |
| [02:13:55] | n1md4: | bill6502: Thanks, rebooting. |
| [02:13:59] | joobie: | i mean the card would be driving XBMC also on the same hardware |
| [02:14:05] | joobie: | but for mythtv im trying to get the specs right |
| [02:14:16] | bill6502: | n1md4: You'll get more log files now, but with more detail. So, you may want to go back to the --syslog local7 when you're done trouble shooting. |
| [02:14:26] | Seeker`: | videocard doesnt matter for the backend |
| [02:14:35] | n1md4: | More is good. |
| [02:14:42] | joobie: | Seeker`, wht matters? |
| [02:14:53] | joobie: | would an i5 be enough for backend? |
| [02:14:55] | joobie: | and 4GB? |
| [02:15:04] | Seeker`: | should be |
| [02:15:43] | Seeker`: | my backend is running on an i3–2100 at the moment |
| [02:15:55] | joobie: | ahh |
| [02:16:06] | joobie: | Seeker`, what about making it work on 2 tvs at the same time? |
| [02:16:12] | joobie: | i was thinking a dual HDMI card |
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| [02:16:28] | bill6502: | n1md4: When you're up, do ifconfig and make sure there are no lines like: inet6 (which should make the fe80::... failure go away.) |
| [02:16:29] | joobie: | but then i duno if the system will work like that.. like if u use a remote, how owuld hte remote know which screen to work on? |
| [02:17:11] | Seeker`: | remotes won't work on the screens. They'll work on the computer, which you would have to redirect input to different program. But as you'll be using XBMC, that is an XBMC question |
| [02:17:17] | n1md4: | bill6502: that's done the trick, thanks! |
| [02:20:11] | bill6502: | n1md4: I wasn't expecting that. Can paste your full backend log? |
| [02:20:54] | n1md4: | bill6502: While I'm at it, I'm just thinking aloud here. The picutre quality of recorded programs is a little grainy, at least compared to watching the same channel through a freeview/sky box. Do those boxes do some sort of noise reduction? |
| [02:21:01] | n1md4: | bill6502: Sure. |
| [02:22:17] | n1md4: | I've been testing for the last hour, you really want all those logs? |
| [02:23:42] | bill6502: | n1md4: 'those boxes' == MythTV? If so, I'd look at setup in the frontend for video, configure for your card, like VDPAU for Nvidia cards > 9800 |
| [02:24:12] | bill6502: | The log file under /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend...............log should be fairly small. |
| [02:24:50] | bill6502: | s/>/>=/ |
| [02:24:58] | n1md4: | bill6502: http://cinosure.com/mythbackend.log_ipv6-hack |
| [02:28:24] | n1md4: | Ah Man!!!! I'd completely forgotten about vdpau, and yet spent ages making sure I'd got 'just the right card'! |
| [02:31:06] | bill6502: | n1md4: That log is still using syslog (Added syslogging to facility local7) and is still trying IPv6 addresses. The next problem looks like your tuners, unless that error is gone with IPv6 off (which doesn't click in my mind.) |
| [02:31:12] | joobie: | Seeker`, what hardware would i need to use myth on 2 seperate tvs with different feeds at the one time? |
| [02:34:27] | n1md4: | bill6502: to be honest then, I'm not sure. All I know is, it's now working. |
| [02:34:37] | n1md4: | ...and that's the only change I've made. |
| [02:35:09] | n1md4: | is there such a thing as anti-aliasing with mpeg video? |
| [02:35:32] | n1md4: | ...that's the 'grainy' texture I'm talking about. |
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| [02:38:46] | bill6502: | n1md4: OK, personally, I'd get the --logpath working (and --syslog local7 off) and watch them for detail with IPv6 turned back on, you'll probably want it someday. Sorry, I can't speak to the anti-aliasing issue. |
| [02:39:31] | n1md4: | bill6502: thanks for all your help |
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| [02:56:25] | wagnerrp: | joobie: running multiple frontends simultaneously is doable, but an awful can of worms if you dont really know what you're doing |
| [02:57:12] | wagnerrp: | hardware decoding simply wont work, neither will Xv |
| [02:57:34] | wagnerrp: | and you're going to struggle through getting OpenGL functioning on both nested X servers simultaneously |
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| [03:00:29] | wagnerrp: | joobie: one other thought, those cards are only designed with a single audio output |
| [03:00:40] | wagnerrp: | you can't have independent audio going out through both HDMI ports |
| [03:00:54] | wagnerrp: | if you want to do HDMI audio, you would need two separate cards |
| [03:01:08] | wagnerrp: | ... of course that would in turn immediately solve the above issues |
| [03:05:58] | bill6502: | n1md4: NP. I don't want to lead you astray on logging, see: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Logging#File_Logging if you're using --logpath you're going to get 1 file per program run, including mythbackend/frontend/previewgen/filldatabase... which is my preference, but not everyone likes it. |
| [03:10:42] | ** wagnerrp doesnt know what ever he did before transparent log file compression... ** | |
| [03:15:43] | bill6502: | wagnerrp: Are you referring to logcleanup.py? |
| [03:15:58] | wagnerrp: | no, that just deletes stuff |
| [03:16:42] | bill6502: | OK, then the various logrotate options? |
| [03:16:52] | wagnerrp: | i dont use logrotate |
| [03:20:59] | wagnerrp: | havent cleaned out my backend logs in a month or so... i currently have 285 files, for 44.8MB of logs, and 2.5MB of used disk storage |
| [03:24:25] | wagnerrp: | bill6502: http://pastebin.com/2u1aHGa0 |
| [03:27:11] | bill6502: | googling transparent log file compression, and failed. 55 files, 58MB. So zfs is your 'secret' weapon. |
| [03:28:37] | wagnerrp: | aye, just made the log directory gzip compressed |
| [03:30:28] | wagnerrp: | when my logs are transparently compressed by the filesystem, there is no reason to rotate myth's stuff, and little reason to rotate other applications' logs |
| [03:32:14] | bill6502: | wagnerrp: Thanks. Completely different subject. I've been doing the 0.26 release notes and have a question on my list about python. Are you still working the "TypeError: a float is required" issue? |
| [03:32:39] | wagnerrp: | this something to do with the UTC stuff? |
| [03:32:55] | wagnerrp: | ive got something half written, i need to get the bindings fixed before release.... |
| [03:34:52] | bill6502: | Thanks, again. |
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| [03:35:50] | wagnerrp: | basically, i have it importing the olson data to perform the timezone conversions |
| [03:35:59] | wagnerrp: | but theres something screwed up in reading the binary data |
| [03:36:08] | wagnerrp: | and i havent gotten around to fixing it yet |
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| [03:43:12] | bill6502: | And when I said "my list", I was referring to the one on my box, not the release notes themselves. |
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| [03:45:55] | ubuntuaddicted: | bill6502 got it working, thanks |
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| [03:53:25] | bill6502: | n1md4: Looking back an hour and 40 minutes, you're setting IP address and Master backend IP to 127.0.0.1? I've never tested that with IPv6 enabled. I always used a private network address e.g. 192.168.1.123 for those fields. Still scratching my head why disabling IPv6 worked for you. Also, if you pursue it, adding --loglevel debug will get even more info as the addresses are being checked (whatever ifconfig shows, MythTV will t |
| [03:53:27] | bill6502: | ry to use.) |
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| [08:08:12] | angryWolf: | Hello to all... I have a question to Mythtv... a little "bug" i have found on all running Mythtv installations. |
| [08:09:18] | angryWolf: | Is it possible to stop freezing tv streams at the end/begin of recordings? |
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| [08:10:22] | GlemSom: | It seems my mythmusic is having issues with utf8 filenames. How do I go about debugging that ? |
| [08:10:34] | angryWolf: | always if the server start/stop a recording freeze the stream vor seconds and continue playing again. |
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| [09:07:04] | SteveGoodey: | #test |
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| [10:23:45] | earthw0rm: | Hello, does mythtv have a way of playing files from a USB stick when you insert it? |
| [10:27:41] | adamclose: | i believe you can set a media directory to somewhere that USB automounts (if it's configured) |
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| [10:36:07] | angryWolf: | hello? anyone active in this room? |
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| [10:40:18] | earthw0rm: | adamclose: Okay, I suppose that's alright |
| [10:41:08] | earthw0rm: | adamclose: Can I set it to /mnt or whatever they use these days and thereby pick up any USB device? |
| [10:43:28] | earthw0rm: | I suppose this would pick up mounted CD ROMs with files on them ...? |
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| [10:53:32] | adamclose: | earthworm; i haven't used mythtv extensively, but updating the database traverses the directories. |
| [10:53:41] | adamclose: | er, that of media directories. |
| [10:54:24] | adamclose: | earthworm; afaik, the whole dvd thing is actually a separate setting .. i wouldn't necessarily advise that you mount your cd/dvd in the same directory as your media. |
| [10:55:08] | adamclose: | technically, they're one in the same, but usb mounts and such are not identical to rom drives. |
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| [12:25:11] | EvilGuru: | I am sure someone will shoot me for this but...does deleting a channel in the config app do anything more than issue a DELETE on the channels table? |
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| [13:51:36] | Jay2k1: | hi, i have an IR problem. my box used to have a dvb-c card and a hauppauge dvb-t card with IR input jack, an IR receiver and a hauppauge remote. everything worked fine. now a friend gave me a spare dvb-c card (technotrend 1501 with saa7146) which also has a jack for an IR receiver. because my board only has two PCI slots, I swapped the hauppauge card for the new dvb-c card. |
| [13:52:19] | Jay2k1: | I plugged the IR receiver into the jack of the new card and gave it a try. I noticed two things: first, the key mapping is totally different; second, some keys are dead. |
| [13:53:03] | Jay2k1: | as for the dead keys, I tried catting /dev/input/event2 and the dead keys don't generate output there either |
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| [13:54:19] | Jay2k1: | lircd was stopped at that time. is there any hope I can get the remote to fully work, or is the hardware just not capable of detecting the keys? |
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| [15:55:06] | n1md4: | I'm looking to add IR to a myth box. I've the nova-t 500 snowboard and have seen the wiki here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/WinTV_Nova-T-500_LIRC_Configs. That includes the lircd.conf and /etc/lircrc file. I've noticed lircd.conf already has an "include" line ... not really sure what steps to take here. |
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| [16:39:09] | n1md4: | (posted on mythtv-users too) I'm looking to add IR to a myth box. I've the nova-t 500 snowboard and have seen the wiki here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/WinTV_Nova-T-500_LIRC_Configs. That includes the lircd.conf and /etc/lircrc file. I've noticed lircd.conf already has an "include" line ... not really sure what steps to take here. |
| [16:39:33] | n1md4: | (ooops! Supposed to post that in mythbuntu channel. |
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| [17:44:12] | plut0: | can someone walk me through a setup of HDHR prime on FIOS? |
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| [17:56:18] | plut0: | anyone? |
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| [18:13:59] | plut0: | can anyone help configure FIOS via HDHR prime? |
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| [18:20:29] | plut01: | anyone alive? |
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| [18:21:11] | wagnerrp: | ggggrrmmmmhhhhh.... |
| [18:21:18] | wagnerrp: | braaiinnssss.... |
| [18:21:39] | ** wagnerrp shuffles towards plut01 ** | |
| [18:22:22] | plut01: | do you know wagnerrp? |
| [18:23:17] | wagnerrp: | alive? undead?.... bah |
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| [18:54:22] | MythUser: | Hi I'm having problem getting the frontend to connect to the backend database. Both are on the same machine and the backend/mysql passwords are the same |
| [18:54:35] | MythUser: | any advices? |
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| [19:01:36] | wagnerrp: | what is the specific error you see? |
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| [19:10:19] | MythUser: | "Could not connect to the master backend server. Is it running? Is the IP address set for it in mythtv-setup correct?" |
| [19:11:39] | MythUser: | I cannot tell if the backend is running or not. |
| [19:12:01] | wagnerrp: | ps ax | grep mythbackend |
| [19:13:20] | MythUser: | sorry i typed all that on the wrong machine |
| [19:13:44] | wagnerrp: | typed all what? |
| [19:14:29] | MythUser: | I have several machines running at once |
| [19:15:08] | MythUser: | anyway I did what you asked on the ubuntu machine where I installed Mythtv and got |
| [19:15:22] | wagnerrp: | if its more than two lines, dont paste it in here |
| [19:16:05] | MythUser: | 3411 pts/2 S+ 0:00 grep color auto mythbackend |
| [19:16:17] | wagnerrp: | in other words, your backend is not running |
| [19:16:18] | MythUser: | where mythbackend shows up in red |
| [19:16:38] | wagnerrp: | since the only thing grep found was itself |
| [19:17:03] | MythUser: | agh okay when I did the backend setup and exit it ask if I want to run the backend and I selected yes |
| [19:17:20] | MythUser: | apparently it didn't |
| [19:17:20] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs to see why it failed to run |
| [19:18:06] | MythUser: | okay looking for the logs |
| [19:18:16] | wagnerrp: | try /var/log/mythtv/ |
| [19:19:43] | MythUser: | where would the logs be located? not under /var/libs or /etc |
| [19:19:54] | MythUser: | or /home either |
| [19:19:59] | wagnerrp: | maybe /var/log? |
| [19:21:28] | MythUser: | found it where you said |
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| [19:23:18] | MythUser: | hmm looks like it couldn't find my capture card |
| [19:23:44] | MythUser: | I'm using ATI HDTV Wonder which is supposed to be supported |
| [19:24:02] | wagnerrp: | do you see anything in /dev/dvb? |
| [19:24:17] | MythUser: | and backend setup apparently detected it |
| [19:24:21] | MythUser: | looking now |
| [19:24:52] | wagnerrp: | did you run mythtv-setup as the same user as you are now running mythbackend? |
| [19:25:24] | MythUser: | there's an adapter0 folder with four files |
| [19:25:34] | MythUser: | 'eh |
| [19:25:36] | wagnerrp: | thats what you should see |
| [19:25:47] | MythUser: | same user? |
| [19:25:54] | MythUser: | login user? |
| [19:25:58] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv-setup detected and configured /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0? |
| [19:26:13] | wagnerrp: | user user |
| [19:26:32] | wagnerrp: | POSIX systems have tons of different users |
| [19:26:50] | wagnerrp: | and users are allowed to access files and devices based off permissions tied to user ownership |
| [19:27:05] | MythUser: | I assume so as it never asked for a name during initial setup |
| [19:27:11] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup does a number of checks to assure the user it is being run as has access to the configured tuners and storage |
| [19:27:30] | wagnerrp: | but in order for that to work, it must be run under the same user account as you now run mythbackend |
| [19:27:41] | wagnerrp: | or else those permissions checks will all be for naught |
| [19:27:53] | MythUser: | there is a frontend0 file but it's not readable |
| [19:28:11] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean by it's not readable? |
| [19:28:15] | MythUser: | great so I'll have to fix that |
| [19:28:17] | wagnerrp: | how did you determine that? |
| [19:28:37] | MythUser: | tried to open it with an text editor |
| [19:28:54] | MythUser: | camup as binary file |
| [19:28:57] | wagnerrp: | its a data stream, its not a file you can open with a text editor |
| [19:28:58] | MythUser: | came up |
| [19:29:08] | MythUser: | right I got that now |
| [19:29:11] | wagnerrp: | and its only going to have data streaming out of it once you have it tune something |
| [19:30:39] | MythUser: | okay looking in /etc/mythtv config.xml now |
| [19:31:04] | wagnerrp: | for what? thats just database credentials |
| [19:31:39] | wagnerrp: | this has nothing to do with the database |
| [19:31:41] | MythUser: | yea wrong file it has user name in it going to /home/.mythtv now to look there |
| [19:31:52] | wagnerrp: | no, it has the mysql username and password |
| [19:31:58] | wagnerrp: | for logging into the mysql database server |
| [19:32:13] | wagnerrp: | which is completely independent from the system user |
| [19:32:20] | MythUser: | okay so I'm a bit confused now |
| [19:32:33] | MythUser: | I understand what you are saying |
| [19:33:10] | MythUser: | documentation not very helpful here so need to figure out why backend is not runing |
| [19:33:36] | wagnerrp: | you said the logs reported permissions error on the tuner card, correct? |
| [19:33:42] | MythUser: | it apparently detected the capture card, but log said no |
| [19:33:42] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin the logs?/ |
| [19:33:56] | wagnerrp: | preferably the whole log from when you started mythbackend, until it terminated itself |
| [19:34:12] | wagnerrp: | depending on how you are logging, you may have logs from several instances of mythbackend in one file |
| [19:34:16] | wagnerrp: | i only want the most recent run |
| [19:34:23] | MythUser: | I'm chatting on a mac, myth machine is next to it though |
| [19:34:25] | wagnerrp: | and by pastebin, i mean http://www.pastebin.com |
| [19:34:42] | MythUser: | let me open an irc client on the other machine |
| [19:34:48] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [19:34:52] | MythUser: | oh got ya |
| [19:34:55] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to be copying the file into the IRC window |
| [19:35:02] | wagnerrp: | just the link to where you have pasted the log |
| [19:35:29] | MythUser: | never mind I misunderstood paste bin, somehow I SAW THAT AS COPY/PASTE |
| [19:35:40] | MythUser: | sorry for yelling fat fingers |
| [19:38:25] | MythUser: | okay i pasted, hmm i just set a time limit and submit? |
| [19:38:37] | wagnerrp: | if you dont like the defaults |
| [19:39:45] | MythUser: | okay one day and name is myth log |
| [19:39:58] | wagnerrp: | paste the link it gave you |
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| [19:40:32] | MythUser: | pastebin.com/kmY8DTBA |
| [19:41:21] | wagnerrp: | ah, so what you saw was an artifact of another issue |
| [19:41:36] | wagnerrp: | "listings source '' is defined, but is not attached to a card input" |
| [19:41:56] | wagnerrp: | you have told mythtv that you have a tuner card, but havent told it what you want to do with it |
| [19:42:09] | MythUser: | First time myth user |
| [19:42:09] | wagnerrp: | your tuner card has a number of inputs |
| [19:42:16] | wagnerrp: | your video source holds a list of channels |
| [19:42:23] | MythUser: | like I said, documentation not the greatest |
| [19:42:39] | wagnerrp: | you need to bind the two together, so mythtv knows what input on the card to use, and what channels to access through that input |
| [19:43:08] | wagnerrp: | it is set up that way so you can bind that video source (channel list) to multiple inputs on multiple tuner cards |
| [19:43:23] | MythUser: | agh okay two input one is DTV (OTA I assume) and the other is a cable connection |
| [19:43:25] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to produce a new channel list for each card |
| [19:43:38] | wagnerrp: | likely one ATSC, and one NTSC |
| [19:43:53] | wagnerrp: | but from mythtv's viewpoint, those are two separate cards |
| [19:43:59] | MythUser: | well here it's one ATSC and one DTV |
| [19:44:04] | wagnerrp: | once shows up as /dev/dvb/adapter0, the other shows up as /dev/video0 |
| [19:45:06] | MythUser: | okay I only have the "adapter0" folder |
| [19:45:16] | MythUser: | so back to backend setup |
| [19:45:34] | wagnerrp: | /dev/video0 is for analog, you wouldnt want to use that, and chances are the tuner drivers dont support it anyway |
| [19:46:03] | wagnerrp: | you have this tuner connected to an antenna? |
| [19:46:06] | MythUser: | Actually I don't think I have an analog tuner |
| [19:46:17] | MythUser: | yes it's connected to an antenns |
| [19:46:35] | wagnerrp: | most ATSC tuners are what are called "hybrid" tuners |
| [19:46:41] | wagnerrp: | one tuner, capable of doing both analog and digital |
| [19:46:47] | MythUser: | just the digital OTA and the digital ATSC |
| [19:46:59] | wagnerrp: | ATSC is "over the air" |
| [19:47:20] | MythUser: | hmm 'eh then what's the DTV input? |
| [19:47:30] | wagnerrp: | no idea, what card specifically? |
| [19:47:56] | MythUser: | ATI HDTV Wonder |
| [19:48:10] | wagnerrp: | i mean there are several models of that, no number behind it? |
| [19:49:04] | wagnerrp: | oh, that one is for unencrypted digital cable |
| [19:49:16] | wagnerrp: | one tuner, separate switchable inputs for antenna and cable |
| [19:49:48] | MythUser: | there were only two models and the VE version is a stripped down card without analog inputs\ |
| [19:50:14] | MythUser: | I have the "fancy" version :-) |
| [19:50:52] | MythUser: | of course the audio inputs not supported in Linux (yet) |
| [19:51:07] | MythUser: | but I don't really care about that |
| [19:51:26] | MythUser: | jut want to get OTA programming |
| [19:51:36] | wagnerrp: | well you would only care ever if you wanted to capture from a cable/satellite/iptv set top box |
| [19:51:47] | wagnerrp: | and if you were, you wouldnt want to use that card to do so anyway |
| [19:52:00] | MythUser: | right and I don;t have any of those so... |
| [19:52:46] | MythUser: | okay so if one tuner, then one adapter folder right? |
| [19:52:56] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [19:53:34] | MythUser: | I'm starting over I'm in backup setup now in capture cards |
| [19:53:46] | MythUser: | so delete all card and try again? |
| [19:53:55] | wagnerrp: | if you wish, but it shouldnt be necessary |
| [19:53:58] | MythUser: | backend i meant |
| [19:54:13] | MythUser: | just want to make sure |
| [19:54:36] | wagnerrp: | just mythtv-setup, not necessarily backend setup |
| [19:55:16] | MythUser: | no delete then just looking at setting its set to DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) |
| [19:55:26] | wagnerrp: | that is probably all correct |
| [19:55:32] | wagnerrp: | you need to back out, and go to Input Connections |
| [19:55:40] | MythUser: | frontend Air2PC v2 Subtypr ATSC |
| [19:55:49] | MythUser: | backing out |
| [19:57:20] | MythUser: | okay input connection I have one thing [DVB:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0] (DVBInput) ->(None) |
| [19:57:40] | wagnerrp: | you want to change it from "None" to whatever video source you created |
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| [19:58:23] | MythUser: | okay problem is what video source and how did I create it? |
| [19:58:59] | wagnerrp: | there are three steps in a row, capture cards, video sources, input connections |
| [19:59:15] | wagnerrp: | you define your capture card, you create a video source, you map the source to an input on the card |
| [19:59:28] | MythUser: | only choice I have is (None) and blank |
| [19:59:31] | wagnerrp: | and then you scan channels into that video source using the card |
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| [19:59:44] | wagnerrp: | back out and go to Video Sources, make sure you actually defined one |
| [20:00:02] | MythUser: | Boy documentation was really bad Okay going to video source |
| [20:00:18] | wagnerrp: | its all in the documentation |
| [20:00:30] | wagnerrp: | and even if it weren't you just follow each of those numbers as steps |
| [20:00:34] | wagnerrp: | you cant skip any |
| [20:00:50] | wagnerrp: | unless youve already done part of it for a previous tuner card |
| [20:01:10] | MythUser: | okay I have "New video source" and "delete all video sources" guess that's where the problem is |
| [20:01:20] | wagnerrp: | do you simply havent defined one |
| [20:01:29] | wagnerrp: | make one, give it a name, and you're done with it for now |
| [20:01:59] | MythUser: | like I said, the documentation I was foliowing was not the greatest, somehow skipped this step |
| [20:02:40] | MythUser: | okay so what's a good video source name? "OTA"? |
| [20:02:53] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [20:04:11] | MythUser: | Listing grabber I'll go with transmitted guide only (EIT) as I'll not always be on the internet with this machine |
| [20:04:28] | wagnerrp: | EIT in north america is garbage |
| [20:04:36] | wagnerrp: | its not worth bothering with |
| [20:05:00] | wagnerrp: | the FCC only mandates stations provide twelve hours of... something |
| [20:05:34] | MythUser: | the schedules direct.org apparently require user name and password, I'll pass |
| [20:06:03] | wagnerrp: | you are planning on using this to schedule shows to record, rather than watch directly? |
| [20:06:08] | MythUser: | heh, okay ill just pick no grabber then? |
| [20:06:24] | MythUser: | well I was thinking about doing that too |
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| [20:06:51] | wagnerrp: | if you intend to schedule recordings, that requires future guide data, which in north america means schedules direct |
| [20:07:07] | wagnerrp: | we used to have zap2it, for non-commercial users |
| [20:07:32] | wagnerrp: | but some commercial application decided they didn't want to pay to license it, so they had their users sign up for free zap2it accounts on their own |
| [20:07:43] | MythUser: | can't help that then i'll go with shedDirect later I'll have to sign up first apparently then enter name and password |
| [20:07:54] | MythUser: | for now, no grabber |
| [20:07:57] | MythUser: | ? |
| [20:08:13] | wagnerrp: | so Tribune (zap2it's parent company) shut down the service, and scheduled direct was set up by the community to license the data instead |
| [20:08:21] | wagnerrp: | for now, just enable EIT |
| [20:08:26] | wagnerrp: | its slightly better than nothing |
| [20:08:54] | MythUser: | okay EIT it is for now |
| [20:10:10] | MythUser: | agh that is interesting history |
| [20:10:57] | MythUser: | channel freq table "default"? |
| [20:11:32] | MythUser: | or us-bcast? |
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| [20:12:38] | MythUser: | leave it at default apparently default us a setting in the general setting |
| [20:13:07] | wagnerrp: | i believe the defaults should work for broadcast ATSC |
| [20:13:57] | MythUser: | yes i agree |
| [20:14:14] | MythUser: | okay saved and rent back to input |
| [20:14:36] | MythUser: | typed in OTA |
| [20:14:58] | MythUser: | okay should I scan for channels? |
| [20:15:43] | MythUser: | hmm should I use dissent long-term EIT gate? |
| [20:17:05] | wagnerrp: | you must scan for channels, and you are not using dishnet (dissent?) |
| [20:19:08] | MythUser: | heh I don;t even know what dishnet is unless it's something to do with the dish network |
| [20:19:13] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:19:24] | wagnerrp: | but it says 'dissent'? |
| [20:19:24] | MythUser: | the satellite company |
| [20:20:01] | MythUser: | agh mistyped it says dish net |
| [20:20:12] | MythUser: | both sound the same |
| [20:21:12] | MythUser: | okay video source and input sounds right |
| [20:21:36] | MythUser: | desired service tv only as tuner doesn't support radio |
| [20:21:50] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [20:22:12] | MythUser: | unencrypted only checked test unchecked |
| [20:22:43] | MythUser: | freq table = full scan |
| [20:23:00] | MythUser: | arhhh |
| [20:23:23] | MythUser: | scan type = full scan freq table – broadcast |
| [20:23:33] | MythUser: | = not minus |
| [20:24:10] | MythUser: | modulation = terrestrial |
| [20:24:57] | MythUser: | scanning range from channel 2 to channel 69 |
| [20:25:25] | MythUser: | on to the "next" step then? |
| [20:25:43] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a logical deduction |
| [20:25:53] | MythUser: | :-) |
| [20:26:16] | MythUser: | Ooohh pretty green bars |
| [20:26:39] | MythUser: | hmm timing out no signal on all the channels |
| [20:26:58] | wagnerrp: | you have the antenna connected to the correct F-jack on the card? |
| [20:27:18] | wagnerrp: | you're sure there should be channels on those it is timing out on? |
| [20:27:25] | MythUser: | stopped scan going to check |
| [20:27:41] | MythUser: | yes on 4,5,6,7,9,13 at least |
| [20:28:04] | wagnerrp: | no, you will never see broadcast channels packed that tightly together |
| [20:28:11] | MythUser: | moving cable to other connection |
| [20:28:49] | wagnerrp: | and those arent digital channels anyway |
| [20:28:58] | wagnerrp: | digital channels are composed of two numbers |
| [20:29:12] | wagnerrp: | and neither have any relevance to the physical channel they are being transmitted on |
| [20:30:25] | MythUser: | hmm okay so just let the scan complete first? |
| [20:31:49] | MythUser: | sorry the local stations still using those numbers so force of habit. |
| [20:31:58] | MythUser: | I know what you are saying though |
| [20:32:10] | wagnerrp: | when they started changing to digital... lets say you had a channel 5 |
| [20:32:31] | wagnerrp: | they were on channel 5 analog, but you cant transmit analog and digital on the same physical channel |
| [20:32:41] | wagnerrp: | so maybe they used channel 35 for digital |
| [20:32:59] | wagnerrp: | only they listed in the data stream that they were sending channels 5.1, 5.2, and 5.3 |
| [20:33:18] | wagnerrp: | so even though it said channel 5, they were on physical channel 35 |
| [20:33:58] | wagnerrp: | now when high power analog was completely shut off, they could have switched their digital transmission back to VHF 5, or they could have left if on UHF 35 |
| [20:34:44] | MythUser: | agh well I have signal strength up to 99% and S/N going all over the place between 50 and 91% |
| [20:34:52] | wagnerrp: | but the logical channel number has no required relation to the physical channel for ATSC |
| [20:35:12] | MythUser: | i have time out possible channels |
| [20:35:36] | MythUser: | may need better antenna or better placement of the one I have now |
| [20:36:13] | MythUser: | agh that makes sense now |
| [20:36:51] | MythUser: | so ATSC channels as no relation to station channels as they are using them now |
| [20:37:10] | wagnerrp: | they dont have to be, some are, some arent |
| [20:37:38] | wagnerrp: | try tvfool.com or rabbitears.info for what channels you should expect to see, and their frequency |
| [20:37:41] | MythUser: | almost at the end so I guess this is working |
| [20:38:09] | MythUser: | okay got "Found 18 new non-conflecting ATSC channels |
| [20:38:14] | MythUser: | " |
| [20:38:24] | MythUser: | insert all |
| [20:39:29] | MythUser: | okay back to input and "next" |
| [20:40:08] | MythUser: | interaction between inputs, leave them at default settings? |
| [20:40:34] | wagnerrp: | unless you have reason to change something from its default, dont |
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| [20:41:50] | MythUser: | okay no change |
| [20:42:13] | MythUser: | savig the web links you gave me |
| [20:42:17] | MythUser: | saving |
| [20:43:07] | MythUser: | "would you like to start the mythtv backend?" yes |
| [20:43:47] | MythUser: | mythfilldatabase = yes |
| [20:44:29] | wagnerrp: | you have no grabber, MFD wont do anything |
| [20:44:58] | MythUser: | okay i ran that grep backend command and this time got three lines |
| [20:45:17] | wagnerrp: | grep, mythbackend, and mythbackend.real? |
| [20:45:51] | MythUser: | no grabber? I thought we went with ETI something for now until I can switch to SchedDirect |
| [20:46:03] | wagnerrp: | EIT means it pulls data from the broadcast |
| [20:46:16] | wagnerrp: | meaning the backend handles it internally, as opposed to an external grabber |
| [20:46:30] | MythUser: | agh okay got ya |
| [20:47:30] | MythUser: | first tine mythbackend.log second line /usr/bin/mythbackend — syslog local7 --user mythtv |
| [20:47:51] | MythUser: | third line mythbackend |
| [20:48:57] | MythUser: | forgot the numbers 1st line = 3508 2nd =3791 3rd= 3830 pts/2 |
| [20:49:09] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter |
| [20:49:17] | MythUser: | starting front end |
| [20:49:43] | MythUser: | hey how about that, no error message! |
| [20:50:01] | MythUser: | watching tv |
| [20:50:53] | MythUser: | okay really jerky but better antenna and/or placement should fix that |
| [20:51:37] | MythUser: | how do you change channels? |
| [20:52:00] | MythUser: | yea RTFM but never got this far before! |
| [20:52:13] | wagnerrp: | up and down? |
| [20:53:04] | MythUser: | agh okay i was going side to side duh! |
| [20:53:46] | MythUser: | wow i moved the antenna two inched and angled up a bit and the pictures smooth as can be |
| [20:54:00] | MythUser: | thank you very much for your help |
| [20:55:23] | MythUser: | okay lets see how to turn on closed captioning |
| [20:55:36] | wagnerrp: | im thinking 't', honestly dont recall off hand |
| [20:55:47] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to do so through the 'm' menu |
| [20:56:29] | MythUser: | you got it right |
| [20:56:45] | MythUser: | just tried and its working fine |
| [20:57:04] | MythUser: | I'm going to have to read the manual |
| [20:57:17] | MythUser: | to get the keyboard shortcuts |
| [20:57:39] | MythUser: | I wonder if the ATI remote will work with MythTV? |
| [20:58:05] | wagnerrp: | or just go into the frontend setup, and see what they are defined as |
| [20:58:38] | MythUser: | yea that'll work too ;-0 |
| [21:00:54] | MythUser: | only remote control settings i can find is for network remote control |
| [21:01:03] | wagnerrp: | see LIRC |
| [21:01:12] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support IR remotes directly |
| [21:01:21] | wagnerrp: | LIRC provides the drivers, and a multiplexing daemon |
| [21:01:36] | wagnerrp: | drivers pick up events from the receivers, send them to the daemon |
| [21:02:04] | wagnerrp: | daemon translates the codes into named strings, and sends those strings on to any connected application, including mythtv |
| [21:02:12] | wagnerrp: | which then processes them according to ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [21:03:07] | MythUser: | well this one is not IR, but actual radio remote |
| [21:03:19] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter |
| [21:03:25] | MythUser: | still this is something i can do |
| [21:03:28] | wagnerrp: | either it behaves like a keyboard, or it gets handled by LIRC |
| [21:03:48] | MythUser: | if there's nothing for the ATI remote I can make up a file for it |
| [21:04:10] | MythUser: | agh okay that process I can understand |
| [21:05:47] | MythUser: | agh? sorry i mistyped, i meant agh. Speak like a pirate day is still a few weeks off |
| [21:06:05] | MythUser: | not again!!! I meant ahhh |
| [21:06:33] | MythUser: | stupid fat fingers on an itty bitty keyboard |
| [21:10:12] | MythUser: | now i got an "error opening jump program file" |
| [21:11:17] | MythUser: | agh okay wait until i get a signal lock before changing stations |
| [21:11:33] | MythUser: | that resolved the problem |
| [21:13:57] | MythUser: | just checked out the menu, nothing there for close captioning |
| [21:14:48] | MythUser: | but "t" toggle CC just fine |
| [21:15:57] | MythUser: | brb |
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| [21:25:52] | MythUser: | back |
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