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| [00:06:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | apollo, no way to do that easily. I've debated writing an 'ExternalCommandRecorder' to do just what you're asking, but it's lower on my priority list than other things right now. some devs are against it for the same reason they're against external player support in the Videos section. (ie, if we support 'hacks' to use external players/recorders, then users would use hacks rather than helping fix the main recorder/playe |
| [00:06:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | r) |
| [00:09:17] | apollo: | Captain_Murdoch: fair enough. Perhaps a bug report on firewire being broken? And a challenge that dvgrab seems to have it figured out. |
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| [00:10:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | might help. I don't think that any of the (active) devs use firewire for recording though, so if that's the case, it may take a while to get fixed. check to make sure there's not another bug filed out there first if you can. might even be a user patch that hasn't been committed yet since it's hard for devs to test what they don't have. |
| [00:10:51] | apollo: | If I had time to get into it I would love to look at how they handle things and submit something... but my skills are waning and it would take more time than I have free these dats. |
| [00:10:58] | apollo: | yeah will take a peak. |
| [00:11:21] | apollo: | peek. Thanks for the feedback, |
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| [00:29:23] | wagnerrp_: | Captain_Murdoch: i believe Grey Foxx does, but how active he is is a bit relative |
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| [01:37:39] | frontrange: | I'm new here. Okay to ask for help on a setup problem? |
| [01:38:27] | wagnerrp_: | thats what the channel is for |
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| [01:39:52] | frontrange: | OK, I have a HD Homerun type (Hauppauge) tuner and have read the how to, but the fetch channel is still not working. My listings are getting loaded. |
| [01:40:27] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand, in order to have show listings, you must have been able to fetch channels |
| [01:40:43] | wagnerrp: | programs cannot exist without channels for them to be defined on |
| [01:41:29] | frontrange: | OK, I mean the database update runs, but I can't get into Live TV because I can't select a start channel in the backend configure. |
| [01:42:06] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [01:42:13] | frontrange: | So I mean to say my account works, but the fetch channels does not. |
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| [01:42:51] | frontrange: | I just uploaded 25, but I also have an old legacy system I've been running for years |
| [01:44:28] | frontrange: | The new system is intended to replace the old once I get this running |
| [01:45:03] | wagnerrp: | fetching channels from HDHR Prime units is only possible with 0.25 and newer |
| [01:45:19] | frontrange: | Im running 0.25 |
| [01:45:31] | wagnerrp: | on older versions of mythtv, it still thinks it is a digital tuner, and will refuse to fetch channels thinking SD will not give enough tuning information |
| [01:46:08] | wagnerrp: | check your terminal for errors from the fetch process? |
| [01:46:25] | frontrange: | So I'm running 0.25 on the new system Im trying to get working |
| [01:47:15] | frontrange: | Umm, how should I starm the backend as a foreground process? |
| [01:47:28] | frontrange: | I mean start |
| [01:48:00] | wagnerrp: | you download a channel lineup in mythtv-setup |
| [01:48:36] | wagnerrp: | and all of myth's assorted applications run as foreground applications unless you specify a '-d' on the command line |
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| [01:52:27] | frontrange: | So this is where the problem starts. I select the fetch channel lineup, select finish. Then select the tuner again and still have no option to select a start channel. There are no error messages, just nothing happens when I try to fetch the lineup. |
| [01:54:09] | wagnerrp: | this is a source only used by the DCR-2650? you havent tried to share it with any traditional digital tuners? |
| [01:55:17] | frontrange: | Nope, the other system is on a cable box using firewire. I was trying to stand this up completely isolated before farking up my existing system |
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| [02:00:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, yeah, I thought about prefacing (active) with (very) :) |
| [02:04:47] | frontrange: | No ideas?... |
| [02:11:14] | sphery: | frontrange: assuming you have 0.25+ logging properly configured, you should see messages in mythfilldatabase log file saying what happened |
| [02:11:36] | sphery: | my guess is you're trying to add channels and mfdb is ignoring them because it sees them as ATSC/QAM channels that need scanning |
| [02:12:04] | sphery: | but if you're using firewire, you can't scan, so you'd override mythfilldatabase's smarts with the appropriate command-line options (i.e. run it manually to add channels) |
| [02:12:13] | frontrange: | OK, great. What's the path for the log file? |
| [02:12:36] | sphery: | mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels --do-not-filter-new-channels |
| [02:12:47] | sphery: | log file is wherever your distro configures it |
| [02:12:54] | sphery: | for *buntu, /var/log/mythtv/ |
| [02:12:57] | frontrange: | Firewire is only on the old system, this is a new standalone front/backend |
| [02:13:19] | sphery: | what capture type on this system? |
| [02:13:31] | sphery: | if it's digital--any digital other than firewire--you have to scan |
| [02:13:59] | sphery: | if you don't have capture set up in the new system, yet, you can't add channels until you do |
| [02:14:27] | tgm4883: | Is there a way to start mythfrontend and specify the directory that contains the theme you want to use? |
| [02:14:32] | sphery: | otherwise, you'll actually have to completely wipe the whole video sources configuration before you re-configure it properly once you do add capture |
| [02:14:49] | sphery: | (completely wipe = "Delete all video sources" button) |
| [02:15:06] | sphery: | tgm4883: mythfrontend -O Theme=themedirname |
| [02:15:22] | sphery: | where that theme is in $SHAREDIR/themes or $HOME/.mythtv/themes |
| [02:15:47] | tgm4883: | sphery, hmm, ok |
| [02:15:56] | sphery: | tgm4883: though unless it's truly a one-off override, you're better off setting the setting--by selecting the theme in theme chooser |
| [02:16:17] | sphery: | if you're creating a new theme (or testing a different version of mythbuntu theme), you'll need a valid themeinfo.xml |
| [02:16:19] | tgm4883: | sphery, well I'm working on the Mythbuntu theme now |
| [02:16:35] | sphery: | and if it's a new version of mythbuntu and you have the old version elsewhere, just increment the version number in themeinfo.xml |
| [02:16:36] | tgm4883: | so I'd like to point it at the git directory |
| [02:16:42] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [02:16:45] | sphery: | i.e. 0.25.2569234 |
| [02:16:52] | sphery: | (or whatever :) |
| [02:17:15] | frontrange: | sphery – using mythbuntu 10.25 but no var/log/mythtv |
| [02:17:22] | sphery: | generally I think most themers now work in their $HOME/.mythtv/themes dir and just clone the repo directly there |
| [02:17:33] | sphery: | frontrange: /var/log/mythtv is gone? |
| [02:17:54] | tgm4883: | sphery, makes sense, I'll move it there |
| [02:18:02] | sphery: | frontrange: is this 10.04? |
| [02:18:10] | sphery: | with 0.25 added or something? |
| [02:18:17] | frontrange: | don't know if its gone, or the path is wrong.. |
| [02:18:33] | sphery: | 0.25 is a MythTV version number (and I don't remember having a 25th month in 2010, so I think 10.25 isn't right :) |
| [02:18:58] | tgm4883: | lsb_release -a |
| [02:19:09] | tgm4883: | that will tell you the distro version number |
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| [02:19:18] | sphery: | fortunately the *buntu expert is here ^^^ |
| [02:19:26] | frontrange: | Your right, its 10.04 with myth .25. Confused myself... |
| [02:19:29] | sphery: | hehe |
| [02:19:50] | sphery: | if you had 25 months in 2010, I'd have been jealous--I could have gotten a lot done if I got 13 extra months each year |
| [02:20:04] | ** tgm4883 reads backlog ** | |
| [02:20:05] | sphery: | I might have actually caught up on my MythTV TODO list |
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| [02:20:39] | frontrange: | opps 12.04 |
| [02:20:48] | sphery: | ok |
| [02:21:05] | tgm4883: | so you can't scan? |
| [02:21:12] | sphery: | 12.04 should have logging properly configured--at least assuming you're using 0.25-fixes (meaning you've enabled the updates) |
| [02:21:14] | frontrange: | no, nada |
| [02:21:29] | tgm4883: | dpkg -l mythtv-backend |
| [02:21:39] | frontrange: | Haven't updated yet, should I do that now? |
| [02:21:40] | sphery: | frontrange: you could just run the mfdb command line I gave you and see if it works |
| [02:21:54] | sphery: | if so, it means that if you find the logs, they'll probably say what I guessed it was :) |
| [02:22:52] | frontrange: | OK will do! |
| [02:23:35] | sphery: | but do make sure you have the mythbuntu repos/updates enabled |
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| [02:23:40] | sphery: | you will want those |
| [02:24:59] | tgm4883: | sphery, arg, this doesn't make sense. According to git, the latest mythbuntu theme is 25.12, but somehow I have 25.14 installed |
| [02:25:55] | sphery: | what's it say in the themeinfo.xml? |
| [02:26:05] | tgm4883: | 25.12 |
| [02:26:07] | tgm4883: | well |
| [02:26:16] | tgm4883: | 25 |
| [02:26:17] | tgm4883: | 12 |
| [02:26:20] | frontrange: | sphery- Can you give me a clue on enabing those repos? Been doing nothing but Solaris the last few years and I'm rusty. It an apt command right? |
| [02:26:20] | tgm4883: | in the relevant sections |
| [02:26:21] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [02:26:34] | tgm4883: | frontrange, no, open up MCC and it is listed in there |
| [02:26:38] | sphery: | do you have another Mythbuntu theme dir somewhere (like in your share dir)? |
| [02:26:42] | tgm4883: | should be fairly obvious in mythbuntu-control-centre |
| [02:26:52] | tgm4883: | sphery, i'm looking, but I don't one |
| [02:27:20] | tgm4883: | I know we have a package for it |
| [02:27:26] | sphery: | wonder if Captain M incremented the version for some reason |
| [02:27:37] | sphery: | or maybe he's pulling from gbutter's other repo? |
| [02:28:06] | sphery: | though it looks like that one's older... |
| [02:28:26] | sphery: | https://github.com/gbutters/myththemes (shows 25.11 for Mythbuntu) |
| [02:28:37] | tgm4883: | odd |
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| [02:29:01] | tgm4883: | Captain_Murdoch, thoughts^^ Did you bump the version on the mythbuntu theme? |
| [02:29:23] | sphery: | I'm trying to remember where the zip file with info on themes is |
| [02:29:44] | tgm4883: | sphery, so I don't have the mythbuntu theme package installed, so it's got to be pulling that from the online repository of themes |
| [02:31:29] | tgm4883: | sphery, I'm going with the assumption that Captain_Murdoch bumped it and that the git repository is the latest available |
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| [02:31:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/themes/ Mythbuntu theme is pulled from git://github.com/MythTV-Themes/Mythbuntu.git I've never modified it that I recall. looks like it was bumped here: https://github.com/MythTV-Themes/Mythbuntu/co . . . hemeinfo.xml |
| [02:32:40] | frontrange: | Sphery – did the mfdb and had some errors, but I'm not sure if they were legit, in the end it seemed to complete |
| [02:32:44] | tgm4883: | Captain_Murdoch, hmm, but the theme choose is offering a newer version |
| [02:32:48] | tgm4883: | I'm trying to figure out how |
| [02:33:13] | sphery: | frontrange: if it completed, you're probably good |
| [02:33:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | telling you there's something newer to download or you're seeing a 25.13 or something? |
| [02:33:29] | sphery: | he's seeing 25.14 |
| [02:33:36] | sphery: | as available for download |
| [02:33:48] | sphery: | where's the zip file with the list of what themes are available |
| [02:33:51] | sphery: | the first one that's downloaded |
| [02:33:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | ah, looks like he has a 25.14 for MythTV v0.25 |
| [02:34:04] | tgm4883: | yea 25.14 is apparently available |
| [02:34:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | in the 0.25 branch on github |
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| [02:34:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, first link in my original reply. look in the 0.24, 0.25, 0.26, trunk subdirs for the index .zip files |
| [02:34:36] | sphery: | ah, ok, so master's version doesn't have some changes or something |
| [02:34:42] | frontrange: | sphery – Still can't select a start channel, so I'll update and try again |
| [02:34:55] | sphery: | ah, index zip files... I was looking for something with themes in the name |
| [02:35:08] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [02:35:17] | tgm4883: | so it's in the 0.25 branch but not master |
| [02:35:24] | tgm4883: | that seems weird |
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| [02:35:49] | sphery: | still not seeing index zip file, but since you've figured it out, it's not that important :) |
| [02:36:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | well, it's themes.zip I think. sorry, actually that's not in the dir. |
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| [02:36:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | http://themes.mythtv.org/themes/repository/0.25/themes.zip |
| [02:36:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's 0.25 |
| [02:37:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | index .zip is fetched from our server directly, themes themselves are downloaded from osu. |
| [02:37:43] | sphery: | tgm4883: you can do a diff between 0.25-fixes and master by (assuming you're in the master checkout, and I /think/ this will work): git diff HEAD fixes/0.25 |
| [02:37:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | eventually I'll have a redirector script on the themes.mythtv.org site and will point all downloads at that and it will redirect to osu, that way I can start counting downloads. |
| [02:38:08] | tgm4883: | fatal: ambiguous argument 'fixes/0.25': unknown revision or path not in the working tree |
| [02:38:21] | sphery: | one second, let me pull a copy |
| [02:38:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | for reference I don't modify themes on MythTV-Themes and I don't even package them now, they're repackaged automatically twice a day if the source has changed. |
| [02:38:56] | sphery: | ah, it thinks it's a path... stick in origin |
| [02:39:04] | sphery: | git diff HEAD origin/fixes/0.25 |
| [02:40:08] | tgm4883: | looks like he added music-base.xml |
| [02:40:10] | sphery: | tgm4883: also, see history at https://github.com/MythTV-Themes/Mythbuntu/commits/fixes/0.25/ and https://github.com/MythTV-Themes/Mythbuntu/commits/master/ |
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| [02:41:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | and unless someone lets me know their theme is compatible with 0.26, it won't appear in the download screen for 0.26. So far, only themer who has spoken up is Harley who already created a 0.26 branch for TintedGlass. |
| [02:42:11] | sphery: | tgm4883: yeah, it seems there's more in master than fixes... |
| [02:42:23] | tgm4883: | Captain_Murdoch, give me some time, I've been working on the theme for 12 minutes |
| [02:42:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) hurry up! |
| [02:42:48] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, it looks like tgm4883 has inherited Mythbuntu theme--he didn't have enough work to do for MythTV, I suppose :) |
| [02:42:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | just stating that in here in case someone isn't on the theming mailing list. |
| [02:43:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | ah. :| |
| [02:43:26] | tgm4883: | so do people usually just edit the XML by hand and then test in frontend? |
| [02:43:35] | tgm4883: | or is there a more civilized way to do this |
| [02:44:01] | sphery: | tgm4883: also, feel free to put a note in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Teams (though I think I may be the only person who ever looks at that page) that you'd like some help with it (and/or update the contact info for Mythbuntu theme--or let me know if you want me to update it for you) |
| [02:44:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's about it. making a theme 'editor' was going to be way to much work last time I contemplated putting it on my TODO list. |
| [02:44:53] | sphery: | tgm4883: also note that sending SIGUSR1 (I think, maybe USR2?) does a theme reload, and there's also a jump point to reload the theme (much easier than restart mythfrontend) |
| [02:45:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | USR1 |
| [02:45:10] | sphery: | tgm4883: for many screens, you can make changes without restarting/reloading the theme--but not changes to base.xml |
| [02:45:29] | sphery: | tgm4883: and there's a jump point you can map to show you the bounds of elements on the screen (which is great for laying things out) |
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| [02:46:45] | sphery: | tgm4883: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 74222#474222 for jump points--'Toggle Show Widget Borders' and 'Toggle Show Widget Names' |
| [02:46:49] | sphery: | and both are unbound by default |
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| [02:48:02] | sphery: | and Reload Theme is the jump point name for reloading |
| [02:51:56] | tgm4883: | sphery, awesome, just got those setup |
| [02:52:56] | tgm4883: | now I need a third monitor |
| [02:53:04] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [02:53:19] | sphery: | you can also use -geometry to start it in a smaller-than-full-screen mode |
| [02:53:24] | sphery: | just be careful with scaling |
| [02:53:36] | tgm4883: | yea I just set it to 1280x720 |
| [02:53:39] | sphery: | I recommend starting it at the "native" resolution |
| [02:53:39] | tgm4883: | which is what our theme is |
| [02:53:43] | sphery: | ah, perfect |
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| [03:04:34] | frontrange: | sphery – I ran the update, tried to fill the channels again. Now I have a zero byte mythfilldatabase.log file and still cannot select a start channel... |
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| [03:19:17] | tgm4883: | Is there a way to see what element of a menu the frontend thinks is missing? |
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| [03:28:14] | tgm4883: | nm, I see there is a wiki page with that info |
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| [03:50:26] | whoDat: | how do i use mythutil -message to show a scrolling message at the bottom of the screen the way I was able to with mythtvosd --template=scroller ? |
| [03:51:11] | wagnerrp: | write the code for a scrolling popup, and then use it |
| [03:51:51] | whoDat: | oh so we lost that capability when going from mythtvosd to mythmessage? |
| [03:52:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtvosd was completely discarded, as it only worked with the old OSD code |
| [03:52:50] | wagnerrp: | it never worked with the UI code, and it does not work with the new OSD code that operates through the shared UI code |
| [03:53:28] | whoDat: | but it had the scrolling option, and the new one doesn't. okay, thanks! |
| [03:53:48] | wagnerrp: | as no one has written it yet |
| [03:55:10] | wagnerrp: | what im trying to say is that this isnt a case of a removed feature, but one of incompatible code not yet being replaced |
| [03:55:17] | whoDat: | no biggie. I just used to enjoy playing pranks with it, because it looked a lot like emergency alerts from the tv broadcasters. :) |
| [03:58:03] | ** wagnerrp wonders if his subtle hints to someone that they could help fill in gaps in the code is getting across ** | |
| [03:58:07] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:03:24] | whoDat: | ya know.. this is #mythtv-users (endusers), not #mythtv (developers) ... ;) |
| [04:04:11] | whoDat: | but point still taken. |
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| [06:22:18] | Beirdo: | go, ubuntu, you bucket of bolts |
| [06:22:27] | Beirdo: | ia32-libs is uninstallable?! |
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| [06:33:06] | Beirdo: | I hate this crap |
| [06:33:50] | fafa88: | what crap are you referring to? |
| [06:34:36] | Beirdo: | stupid computers that think they are smarter than I am |
| [06:34:47] | fafa88: | but they are. |
| [06:35:03] | Beirdo: | maybe smarter than you. |
| [06:35:40] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'll force this crap to work |
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| [06:35:49] | fafa88: | how do you know that you aren't just another program in the matrix. |
| [06:36:22] | fafa88: | hm, this VM is too slow, this won't work. |
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| [06:37:03] | Beirdo: | so I guess I'll compile this compiler from source |
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| [06:48:29] | Beirdo: | OK, good thing I have a 32bit host |
| [06:48:48] | Beirdo: | Sourcery CodeBench only comes compiled 32bit |
| [06:49:00] | Beirdo: | and their build script is decidedly not Scottish |
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| [06:56:34] | Beirdo: | feel like smacking people :) |
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| [10:26:18] | mal: | can I login to my mythbuntu backend via putty? |
| [10:32:21] | sulx: | depends what you mean |
| [10:33:14] | mal: | want to mount another hard drive in backend |
| [10:33:25] | mal: | don't have a screen conneccted to it |
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| [10:43:30] | adamclose: | as long as you have ssh enabled, you should be able to login. |
| [10:44:02] | mal: | the port? |
| [10:44:06] | adamclose: | 22 |
| [10:44:35] | adamclose: | if you're trying to login over the internet to a friend's mythbuntu installation, chances are his router is blocking your connection. |
| [10:44:51] | mal: | my backend |
| [10:44:52] | adamclose: | s/router/firewall/ |
| [10:45:17] | adamclose: | you're logging in locally, with no firewall between your current terminal and the mythbuntu installation? |
| [10:45:19] | mal: | unless I can do it in a regular terminal from the frontend' |
| [10:45:26] | adamclose: | you can do that too |
| [10:45:40] | adamclose: | alt-f2 on the console will give you a "run" dialog |
| [10:45:46] | adamclose: | type in "xterm" (no quotes) |
| [10:45:51] | adamclose: | it'll give you a commandline |
| [10:46:09] | mal: | yep |
| [10:46:57] | mal: | so, let me see if I get this straight |
| [10:47:15] | mal: | terminal from frontend will open in the backend? |
| [10:47:23] | adamclose: | oh, no |
| [10:47:31] | adamclose: | you still have to ssh into the backend |
| [10:47:40] | adamclose: | ssh <user>@<host> |
| [10:47:47] | mal: | ah I see |
| [10:47:49] | mal: | cool |
| [10:47:50] | adamclose: | from the frontend's terminal |
| [10:47:51] | adamclose: | or |
| [10:47:53] | mal: | will try that |
| [10:48:06] | adamclose: | from whatever host will allow you to bypass any intermediate firewalls. |
| [10:49:16] | adamclose: | while it's not necessarily recommended, due to potential security issues, you might consider putting up a firewall at the head of the network to block any vnc connections and then allow your mythbackend to run vnc. :/ |
| [10:49:37] | mal: | yes |
| [10:49:39] | mal: | cheers |
| [10:49:45] | adamclose: | allow anything within your network to connect to it via tightvnc or something. |
| [10:49:47] | adamclose: | :/ |
| [10:49:51] | adamclose: | see ya, good luck. |
| [10:50:01] | mal: | thanx |
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| [11:22:47] | mal: | to mount another hard drive, I'm not 100% sure of the filesystem that is on it. Might be fat32. is there some way I can find out? |
| [11:24:32] | adamclose: | mal; how many choices are there? |
| [11:25:39] | adamclose: | mal; at the point you don't know the format of the disk, how much data could there possibly be on it? |
| [11:25:50] | adamclose: | mal; am i suggesting you format the disk? no. |
| [11:26:40] | mal: | there is a huge amount of stuff on there |
| [11:26:41] | adamclose: | mal; but i also wouldn't assume i could put it in a system, risk free. Perhaps one should look and plug it into an external USB disk enclosure and plug it in as a usb device. |
| [11:27:14] | mal: | done it before with this hard drive when I had Ubuntu Server running on it |
| [11:27:20] | adamclose: | while it wouldn't necessarily save you of issues, it would make the determination much easier. |
| [11:27:35] | adamclose: | oh, good, so it should be ext4 |
| [11:27:39] | adamclose: | ... |
| [11:27:45] | adamclose: | mountable natively in linux. |
| [11:27:50] | mal: | want to access all the videos etc on it through myth |
| [11:28:05] | mal: | I'm leaning towards thinking this one is fat 32 |
| [11:28:09] | adamclose: | oh, oh .. that's a myth configuration issues. |
| [11:28:16] | mal: | because of my beyonwiz pvr |
| [11:28:28] | adamclose: | it's not fat 32 if it had a ubuntu server running from it. |
| [11:28:35] | mal: | myth can't read fat32? |
| [11:28:47] | adamclose: | myth itself is not a file system reader. |
| [11:28:57] | adamclose: | myth relies on the underlying system to read file systems |
| [11:28:59] | mal: | so if it was ext4 I'd be okay? |
| [11:29:12] | adamclose: | i think you're confused. |
| [11:29:17] | mal: | is ther a command I can run to check? |
| [11:29:36] | adamclose: | i'm sure there is, i don't happen to know it off hand. |
| [11:29:49] | mal: | shall I just assume it's ext4? |
| [11:30:04] | adamclose: | well, the easiest way to check it some simple use of the mount command. |
| [11:30:51] | mal: | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| [11:31:30] | adamclose: | mal; is it in a usb enclosure? if so, see if windows recognizes it |
| [11:31:38] | adamclose: | if so |
| [11:31:45] | adamclose: | it's not fat32/fat16 |
| [11:31:53] | adamclose: | er |
| [11:32:00] | adamclose: | if so, it is one of the two |
| [11:32:06] | adamclose: | if not, it's something else. |
| [11:32:10] | mal: | no, not in usb enclosure |
| [11:33:12] | adamclose: | mal; try looking through the different mount commands ... make sure to ensure: -ro root |
| [11:33:23] | adamclose: | make it readonly |
| [11:33:32] | adamclose: | you don't want to fuck it up if you do happen to mount it |
| [11:33:48] | adamclose: | or -o ro |
| [11:33:53] | adamclose: | probably more appropriate. |
| [11:34:22] | adamclose: | perhaps i should shut up. |
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| [11:53:31] | mal: | got it mounted read only, it's ext4 |
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| [12:53:58] | peitolm: | I'm seeing stuff like this for most of my recordings "GetPreviewImage: no recording for start time 'Wed Aug 15 10:03:00 2012'" which i think is for a recording that started at 'Wed Aug 15, 2012 (09:05 )' according to mythweb. |
| [12:54:33] | peitolm: | it looks like a dst issue to me, but how can i see what timezone mythtv is running in? |
| [12:58:04] | peitolm: | it's recording the right show, so it looks like it's purely a previewgen issue |
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| [14:29:34] | sphery: | peitolm: what version of mythtv |
| [14:30:13] | sphery: | peitolm: do you have preview images in mythfrontend's Watch Recordings screen and are missing them only in MythWeb's Recorded Programs page? |
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| [14:35:51] | peitolm: | 0.25 |
| [14:35:56] | peitolm: | and i think so |
| [14:36:11] | peitolm: | but I'm not going to ask for any more help, until I've tripple checked my mythweb version |
| [14:36:32] | peitolm: | (not that I'm sure that's the issue, but...) |
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| [14:37:00] | sphery: | definitely do that |
| [14:37:12] | ViperSBT: | Sphery: I think I figured out the recording problem I was having... The error regarding Storage Groups was specific to the Default storage group, which I didn't have configured, so it made since it couldn't find it. I added a configuration for it and am no longer getting the errors. Now I just have to wait for a recording to hit and see whether or not it goes... |
| [14:37:20] | peitolm: | daft question, how would i get the version? |
| [14:37:37] | ViperSBT: | I still cant figure out why sometimes it wanted to use Default and other times it would wouldn't |
| [14:38:41] | sphery: | peitolm: MythWeb should be asking the master backend what time zone identifier it's using, then setting itself to use the same, but it only checks every once in a while... If you've configured your systems correctly, both would see DST change at the same time, but if not, you could see such problems. You can try: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'TRUNCATE TABLE mythweb_sessions;' |
| [14:39:25] | sphery: | ViperSBT: ah, sorry--I should have seen that you were missing a Default SG in your pastebin, but I didn't even think anyone would forget to configure that |
| [14:39:28] | peitolm: | hmm, *pokes his ssh home |
| [14:40:00] | sphery: | ViperSBT: We require that the Default SG always be configured (and should only be configured once on the master backend--without overrides on other backends/frontends) |
| [14:41:15] | sphery: | ViperSBT: hehe, looking back at your pastebin, I do see there's no Default SG defined... I had just assumed the first (which is actually Live TV) was Default--wasn't paying close enough attention. |
| [14:41:20] | sphery: | glad you figured it out, though |
| [14:41:44] | ViperSBT: | Keeping my fingers crossed... :) Thanks for the help... |
| [14:43:25] | sphery: | glad it wasn't your capture devices or something hard/expensive to fix--configuration is easy to fix (once you figure out what's misconfigured, at least :) |
| [14:43:59] | sphery: | peitolm: usually using either git describe (assuming you have a git checkout) or your package manager (assuming it was installed using packages) |
| [14:46:28] | peitolm: | it's a git version i think |
| [14:49:00] | peitolm: | "fatal: No tags can describe 'fe2c94cea15f685c411a0fb685e673b9757a70e1'. |
| [14:51:07] | peitolm: | hmm, looks like it was from nov 14, is it git rebase to bring it up-to date? |
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| [15:05:00] | peitolm: | and i can't pull the updates, *mental note to deal with later* |
| [15:07:43] | sphery: | peitolm: git pull |
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| [15:19:13] | peitolm: | can't seem to access github from home, looks like something gone a tad wonky |
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| [19:22:22] | frontrange: | Can someone help me figure out why my fetch channel lineup in backend setup is not working? |
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| [19:36:44] | sphery: | frontrange: what type of capture? |
| [19:36:56] | sphery: | is it firewire? |
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| [19:40:15] | sphery: | frontrange: if it's firewire you probably need to manually run: mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels --do-not-filter-new-channels |
| [19:40:34] | sphery: | possibly with HD-PVR, analog capture, too |
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| [19:49:40] | peitolm: | joy |
| [19:50:07] | peitolm: | i can't talk to github for some reason (over tcp), from my linux box, but my osx box works fine |
| [19:50:45] | peitolm: | anyone remember what the kernel option was that broken some network routing, some kind of window scaling type thing |
| [19:52:55] | frontrange: | Hi spery – thanks for helping again. Its the hauppage version of the HD homerun |
| [19:53:28] | frontrange: | I've already run that command last night at your direction |
| [19:55:13] | frontrange: | Last night when we left off I did a distro upgrade and tried again. I ended up with still no channels and a zero byte mfdb.log file |
| [19:56:11] | sutula: | Does anyone have recommendations on front-end hardware...something they like, hopefully not too pricey? I need another frontend now) I bought these back in 2008 and am happy with them: |
| [19:56:30] | frontrange: | I have a much older system still operational and when I run the get channel lineup, it takes a couple of minutes, but completes fine. So I know my account is ok |
| [19:56:36] | sutula: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129034 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157126 |
| [19:57:10] | sphery: | frontrange: hehe, didn't realize you were the same person I was talking to before |
| [19:57:34] | frontrange: | Yeah, it got late and I figured you dropped off... |
| [19:57:38] | sphery: | frontrange: if it's an HDHR-like device, it's digital capture, which means you /must/ scan for channels--you cannot use Fetch channels from listings provider |
| [19:58:05] | sphery: | so, do (the Video Sources portion of): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [19:58:25] | sphery: | i.e. Delete all video sources, then follow the "If you're using a digital source" part to scan |
| [19:58:27] | frontrange: | REALLY??? How do I know what options to use besides trial and error? |
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| [19:58:59] | sphery: | as far as how would you know that you can't do Fetch channels? |
| [19:59:20] | frontrange: | No, I mean encoding and band, etc... |
| [19:59:21] | sphery: | you wouldn't without someone telling you or without reading some of the (sparse and not hard to find) documentation |
| [19:59:46] | sphery: | you just set it to us-cable, likely |
| [20:00:03] | frontrange: | Tried that, wasn't finding anything... |
| [20:00:17] | sphery: | it's possible you have us-cable-hrc or us-cable-irc, but knowing requires trial and error or talking with cable co |
| [20:00:26] | sphery: | and you want a Full scan |
| [20:00:41] | frontrange: | Aw hell, they know less than I do... |
| [20:00:43] | sphery: | and you must let it complete--it will go through possibly hundreds of "no channel found" channels |
| [20:00:55] | sphery: | likely your real channels are at the upper end |
| [20:01:18] | sphery: | and note that you can only get clear QAM channels with digital capture off a cable system |
| [20:01:26] | sphery: | (btw, I'm assuming you're using cable) |
| [20:01:33] | frontrange: | So if I know for example I have a brodcast channel on 3 it won't show up there in the HDHR? |
| [20:01:36] | sphery: | if you're using OTA, you want us-bcast |
| [20:01:43] | sphery: | no |
| [20:01:47] | frontrange: | Not OTA Comcast |
| [20:01:53] | sphery: | 3 is a number--likely just a logical channel number |
| [20:02:04] | sphery: | the actual frequency on which it's transmitted could be anything |
| [20:02:11] | frontrange: | Ahhhhh... |
| [20:02:23] | sphery: | for example, my NBC is channel 2, but it's transmitted on channel frequency ID 11 (what used to be considered a channel number) |
| [20:02:33] | frontrange: | Channels are virtual then |
| [20:02:51] | sphery: | /most/ OTA is actually > 13, but I'm in one of the few markets that still has VHF channels |
| [20:03:44] | frontrange: | So that is why my fetch works with the cable box but not the HDHR |
| [20:03:58] | sphery: | for cable, they tend to put most channels on very high "channel numbers" but give them lower numbers through LCNs |
| [20:04:17] | sphery: | right, fetch is meant only for analog capture or "unscannable" digital (meaning firewire) |
| [20:04:41] | frontrange: | So that means I have to associate every HDHR channel with the network then. This is going to really suck. |
| [20:04:49] | sphery: | so if you use a cable box with an HD-PVR or PVR-x50, fetch works fine |
| [20:05:31] | sphery: | it's possible that the cable provider will provide enough info in the stream to make mapping it easy (possibly automatic), though it's not likely, since there's no reason for the cable operator to do the extra work |
| [20:05:41] | sphery: | that said, you're unlikely to find many channels at all |
| [20:06:01] | sphery: | i.e. just the local broadcast channels are likely to be available unencrypted |
| [20:06:29] | sphery: | everything else would require an STB or--since you're on Comcast--you could actually get a CableCARD-compatible capture device and receive all of the non-premium channels |
| [20:06:43] | sphery: | See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [20:06:44] | frontrange: | The HDHR box takes a card, so I'm assuming it will open most non-premium content? |
| [20:06:59] | sphery: | It's an HDHR Prime? |
| [20:07:04] | tgm4883`: | sphery, with comcast, couldn't he use scte65scan? |
| [20:07:12] | frontrange: | Yes |
| [20:07:13] | sphery: | if so, it should get them |
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| [20:07:42] | frontrange: | Hmmm? |
| [20:07:45] | sutula: | frontrange: Do you know that the tuner is set up right...this is always iffy with the providers |
| [20:07:49] | sphery: | and actually with HDHR Prime, you need to Fetch... |
| [20:07:51] | sphery: | not scan |
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| [20:08:31] | frontrange: | No, that's why I wanted to fetch, thought it would get the params from channels direct maybe |
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| [20:09:42] | sutula: | frontrange: my hdhr (on comcast) has a direct web interface where I can see content; until that worked, I didn't mess with the Myth part |
| [20:09:54] | frontrange: | Also, I don't have a card installed yet, I was going to wait till I had the basics working then return a tuner and get a card at the same time |
| [20:10:33] | frontrange: | OK, but mine is on a USB with a virtual IP, will that work too? |
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| [20:12:10] | ** sutula is at a loss to advise frontrange since frontrange has different hardware, but reports that Comcast/HDHR/Cablecard and Myth work fine in Loveland ** | |
| [20:13:17] | sphery: | frontrange: yeah, you'll need to get the card before you can set up the channels, etc.--setting it up as a non-CableCARD tuner is /very/ different from setting up with CableCARD, to the point it's not really practice/helpful setting it up without the card if you plan to use the card |
| [20:13:18] | sutula: | It also took about half-dozen calls and some support escalations to get the HDHR/Cablecard set up right :-( |
| [20:13:29] | frontrange: | OK, Ill give it a try and report back. Im in Colorado Springs BTW. Lovland CO? |
| [20:13:41] | ** sutula nods ** | |
| [20:14:17] | frontrange: | OK, going offline to get a card then... |
| [20:14:25] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [20:14:35] | frontrange: | Thanks guys! |
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| [20:16:58] | peitolm: | sphery: looks like a fresh git pull worked |
| [20:17:48] | sphery: | peitolm: cool... maybe your repo was from before we moved everything around/reorganized the repos |
| [20:18:00] | sphery: | if so, the easiest way to update is to just re-clone |
| [20:18:04] | peitolm: | ah, i had to download it from the website |
| [20:18:08] | sphery: | then pulls should work fine |
| [20:18:19] | peitolm: | linux box still can't talk to github.com |
| [20:18:46] | sphery: | is it because you're using the https link and it's saying it's an invalid certificate? |
| [20:19:03] | peitolm: | nope, i see packets going out, but no reply |
| [20:19:26] | sphery: | I highly recommend using git protocol, anyway |
| [20:19:50] | sphery: | http/https is only useful if you're behind some restrictive firewall that disallows other-than-web traffic |
| [20:19:58] | sphery: | (i.e. at work or a bad hotel or something) |
| [20:20:36] | sphery: | so, basically, use git://github.com/MythTV/mythweb.git rather than https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb.git for the clone |
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| [20:22:37] | peitolm: | just excuse me whilst I swear 10 shades of paint of this recording box |
| [20:22:49] | ** peitolm hates it when channels move around without being told ** | |
| [20:23:44] | peitolm: | wondered why every recording of a show was then breaking subsequant ones on that input |
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| [20:26:28] | peitolm: | is there a way of swapping from one to the other? |
| [20:26:35] | peitolm: | (from https to git? |
| [20:26:56] | peitolm: | ah, origin |
| [20:33:00] | sphery: | peitolm: yeah, don't have my command to do it with git-config , but you can just edit .git/config file |
| [20:33:12] | sphery: | change [remote "origin"] url |
| [20:34:44] | sphery: | peitolm: I think it's: git config remote.origin.url git://github.com/MythTV/mythweb.git |
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| [20:54:28] | peitolm: | git remote set-url origin git://github.com/MythTV/mythweb.git |
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| [21:23:08] | uglyoldbob: | i have a problem with mythweb and apache2. I cant get the redirection disabled |
| [21:23:17] | uglyoldbob: | sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythweb does not work |
| [21:23:53] | uglyoldbob: | i have even done a purge and install with apt-get |
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| [21:31:01] | uglyoldbob: | i removed /var/www/index.html and then did touch /var/www/index.html and that had no effect |
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| [21:38:24] | uglyoldbob: | which lines should i modify to disable redirection in /etc/apache2/sites-available/mythweb.conf ? |
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| [21:41:30] | uglyoldbob: | ok it was /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-mythbuntu (which is weird because im not using mythbuntu, im using kubuntu) |
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| [22:30:05] | Beirdo: | too bad I was working instead of at the Mariner's game! |
| [22:30:33] | Beirdo: | Mariners' rather |
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| [22:38:01] | ** sutula repeats his query from before: ** | |
| [22:38:16] | sutula: | Does anyone have recommendations on front-end hardware...something they like, hopefully not too pricey? I need another frontend now. I bought these back in 2008 and am happy with them: |
| [22:38:22] | sutula: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129034 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157126 |
| [22:38:50] | macninja: | I'm very happily using a Zotac Zbox |
| [22:39:00] | sutula: | The case is still available, but not the motherboard. Anyone have a motherboard with onboard video (HDMI) that they like, and that works well with Myth? |
| [22:39:51] | macninja: | http://www.zotacusa.com/zbox-id41-plus.html |
| [22:39:54] | macninja: | if that helps |
| [22:40:12] | macninja: | I'm actually running front and backend on that box and it's great |
| [22:41:11] | sutula: | macninja: Thanks...I appreciate any and all recommendations! |
| [22:41:16] | macninja: | Anyone here in Alaska besides me? |
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| [22:41:25] | macninja: | Unlikely, I know |
| [22:41:29] | ** sutula is sweating in Colorado ** | |
| [22:41:33] | macninja: | heh |
| [22:41:52] | ** thayward breathing smoke in Colorado ** | |
| [22:42:26] | ** Beirdo is happy to be a Seattle Mariners fan today ** | |
| [22:42:48] | Beirdo: | only wish I were like half a mile south of here for the last few hours to witness it |
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| [23:43:48] | fafa88: | anyone us a Virtual Machine with myth? I wanted to know which one people are using. I want to setup a dev/test VM to play with myth without affecting my real system. |
| [23:44:11] | [R]: | "affecting"... you think its going to make your computer explode? |
| [23:44:27] | ** [R] summons wagnerrp ** | |
| [23:44:32] | fafa88: | I do not fear my computer, i fear my wife. |
| [23:45:55] | sutula: | fafa88: My attempt ended in failure when I realized that the hardware capture cards couldn't be accessed from the VM. Your mileage may vary depending on what you want the VM to do. |
| [23:46:43] | sutula: | In general, the weak link with any of the VM's seems to be the tie to whatever hardware you need them to use. |
| [23:46:52] | wagnerrp: | you want to do some test system? by all means use a VM |
| [23:47:03] | wagnerrp: | you want to put something in production? it just makes no sense to use a VM |
| [23:47:19] | fafa88: | The changes i had in mind were just frontend changes to see if I can hack some accessibility into the codebase. |
| [23:47:29] | mdurkq: | Free TV cards for anyone who can get this card – http://goo.gl/F7WBy – Working in Mythbuntu 12.04 – PM me if you're interested. |
| [23:47:52] | wagnerrp: | could we have a full, non-shortened link? |
| [23:48:00] | wagnerrp: | this isnt twitter, we dont have such strict character limits |
| [23:48:09] | mdurkq: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TerraTe . . . _2400i_DVB-T |
| [23:48:51] | wagnerrp: | you may have better luck in the morning |
| [23:48:59] | wagnerrp: | most european users are in bed by now |
| [23:49:18] | mdurkq: | okies |
| [23:49:58] | wagnerrp: | north american users need ATSC card, different standard, no compatible hardware |
| [23:50:04] | fafa88: | my first attempt at a VM last night failed because it was too damn slow (qemu), i guess I need to enable kvm. |
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