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Wednesday, August 8th, 2012, 00:00 UTC
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[00:29:22] Memorex636: good evening
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[00:37:56] Memorex636: i cant get LiveTV to work.. it just stopped for some reason
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[00:53:00] wagnerrp: start scheduling everything to record ahead of time?
[00:54:53] Memorex636: it keeps saying please wait then goes back to the main menu. i deleted the cards and re added them to the back end...
[00:57:28] Memorex636: i had the comcast guy out today replaceing my cable line and then it stopped working at teh same time...
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[01:00:35] wagnerrp: do scheduled recordings work either? or is everything non-functional?
[01:00:45] Memorex636: no recordings work
[01:01:09] wagnerrp: is that "no recordings work" or "no, recordings work"
[01:01:25] Memorex636: sorry, recordings work
[01:01:41] wagnerrp: take a look at the "quick tune" settings
[01:01:59] Memorex636: should be off
[01:02:07] wagnerrp: perhaps something is messed up with the channel scan, causing quicktune with livetv to fail, but the more careful full tune with recordings to work
[01:03:15] Memorex636: quick tuning is set to never
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[01:33:40] skd5aner: who is doing the release notes right now? I don't remember the nick?
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[01:35:55] fafa88_: i never used mythmusic before.
[01:36:10] fafa88_: do i need to nfs mount the dirs, or will myth stream them?
[01:36:43] skd5aner: myth does not stream music currently
[01:36:50] skd5aner: it needs direct access to the files
[01:39:24] neufeld: Hrm. My HD-PVR weirdness is at the point now where everything works, except recording with it in MythTV. I can change channels, fix the video saturation, and I can cat the /dev/video0 to a file that looks good, with both video and audio. If I thought I could get away with it, I'd put the cat into the channel changer script, and say "it took me 2 hours to change channels, but on the bright side, here's your movie". Very rarely
[01:39:24] neufeld: (maybe once in 8 attempts), the backend latches onto the stream immediately, and then everything works perfectly, but most of the time it just blinks its blue light on and off at me for the entire duration of the 'recording'.
[01:47:21] neufeld: I think I'll just strace the backend in the morning.
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[03:35:33] fafa88_: hi, i am trying to get mythmusic to work. I am not sure what to put in the audio device.
[03:35:40] fafa88_: i get no sound.
[03:36:31] fafa88_: my mythtv works with the device set to ALSA:plughw:CARD=Intel,DEV=1
[03:44:08] fafa88_: mplayer plays things fine.
[03:44:26] fafa88_: AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch floatle (4 bytes per sample)
[03:45:06] wagnerrp: why would you have 48kHz content with mythmusic?
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[03:46:38] fafa88_: Aug 7 20:36:03 fa-Macmini mythfrontend[1402]: E CoreContext audio/audiooutputalsa.cpp:384 (GetOutputSettings) ALSA: snd_pcm_open("dsnoop:CARD=Intel,DEV=0"): Invalid argument
[03:47:34] fafa88_: wagnerrp: that was the output from mplayer the 'A0:..' line, the 2nd line was the mythfrontend output.
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[05:48:52] fafa88_: oh com'on, setting it to 'default' worked, it was defaulted to blank.
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[06:18:05] uglyoldbob: anybody compile mythtv? i wanted to compare compile times of the computer i just put together (it compiles fixes/0.25 in about 6 minutes)
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[06:47:22] wagnerrp: first compile? no ccache? no stored binaries? no files cached in memory?
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[06:52:02] uglyoldbob: yeah
[06:52:40] uglyoldbob: (i have the 8-core AM3+ FX8150 processor)
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[06:57:13] fafa88_: i loaded xbmc for the first time and my eyeballs fell out of its socket.
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[07:07:17] uglyoldbob: fafa88_: so is that good or bad?
[07:12:34] uglyoldbob: umm "Trying 1920x1080 0.000 Hz" (ran mythfrontend in a console) what?
[07:17:41] fafa88_: i wonder if the xmbc mythtv plugin is being updated for 0.25+
[07:23:27] dekarl: fafa88_: which xbmc-mythtv integration are you refering to? Might ask that on #xbmc, though ;)
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[07:49:17] fafa88_: it almost worked, i guess I need to recompile xbmc also :)
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[12:03:25] Blaidd: If I'm getting blocking recordings, should I be increasing my bitrate or decreasing it?
[12:03:33] Blaidd: blocky*
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[13:26:50] wagnerrp: Blaidd: what are you using to record?
[13:28:44] Blaidd: wagnerrp: Sorry, in what respect? I have two HRV-1600 cards both getting analog input from two tv tuners. I do a transcode using mythtranscode after recording, and I'm wondering if that might have been the issue, so I bumped the transcoder profile I"m using to lossless to see if that helps. I'm just waiting on the next recording to finish to see if that might have been the issue.
[13:29:15] Blaidd: But if it doesn't, I'm open to suggestions
[13:30:10] wagnerrp: two tv tuners... you mean cable boxes or something?
[13:30:24] Blaidd: I have two tv tuners and two cable boxes
[13:31:02] wagnerrp: what cable provider?
[13:31:44] Blaidd: Rogers in canada. It's worth noting that I've had all this working before. The issues have just been since my upgrade to mythbuntu 12.04 and I believe mythtv 0.24
[13:32:06] wagnerrp: so cablecard is out of the question...
[13:32:20] wagnerrp: using the tuner inputs, rather than svideo?
[13:32:31] Blaidd: I'm using the svideo
[13:32:47] Blaidd: livetv seems to look fine, which was why I started looking at the transcoding
[13:33:26] wagnerrp: default profiles for the HVR-1600 are 2200kbps for livetv, 4400kbps for recordings
[13:33:49] wagnerrp: both of which looked rather poor quality to me
[13:33:57] wagnerrp: at least through a PVR-150
[13:35:28] wagnerrp: if you are transcoding afterwards, using mythtranscode, you're only going to be going to rather poor quality MPEG4 (ASP)
[13:36:03] wagnerrp: the lossless transcodes will only make any difference after you have gone into edit mode and defined a commercial cutlist
[13:36:03] Blaidd: i've bumped that up significantly. What I'm seeing is essentially blocks when jumping there's lots of screen refreshing, so either lots of action, or when a show jumps from one scene to another. I just don't know if that kind of artifacting (assuming it's not because of the transcoding) is becaue it's recording at the wrong bit rate..
[13:36:50] Blaidd: I'm not sure what you meant by that comment about the lossless encoding. What does the commercial cutlist have to do with it (sorry, most of what I know about mythtv I've figured out as I've gone along)
[13:37:08] wagnerrp: you said you were going to try using "lossless"
[13:37:20] wagnerrp: lossless is just that, lossless
[13:37:27] wagnerrp: for the most part, its a direct file copy
[13:38:03] Blaidd: right, i get that. But that would tell me if the artifacting is in the orginial file, which would indicate a bitrate recording issue, or if it was put in place by the encoding..
[13:38:10] wagnerrp: it chops out the areas you define in edit mode in the cutlist, cleans up the edges around those points, and leaves the rest of it unmodified
[13:38:47] Blaidd: ahh, okay
[13:38:48] wagnerrp: you wouldnt be running a lossless transcode unless you had already watched the original
[13:39:06] wagnerrp: its not something you would bother running automatically after a recording
[13:40:13] Blaidd: right, and I hadn't been using lossless usually, I just want to see if it's the transcodng that's causing the issue and that seemed like the quickest way to determine that..
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[13:44:52] wagnerrp: what im saying is it would be quicker to just not transcode
[13:45:34] Blaidd: Oh. I guess I"m just a little slow :)
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[18:49:37] pppoe_dude: Hello.
[18:51:34] pppoe_dude: If I run MythTV on my mac, does that mean that the hardware compatibility list that is available here: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_USB_Devices also applies?
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[18:52:32] wagnerrp: if you can find a way to load linuxtv's Linux kernel drivers into the OSX Mach kernel, yes
[18:53:05] devinheitmueller: pppoe_dude: in short, *no*.
[18:53:23] devinheitmueller: Under OSX it works with the HD Homerun, but nothing else.
[18:53:24] pppoe_dude: ah, darn.
[18:53:31] devinheitmueller: (since the hdhomerun is a network device)
[18:53:37] pppoe_dude: devinheitmueller, that's what i thougt.
[18:53:43] wagnerrp: freebsd has a project named webcamd, that functions as a userland interpreter for the linux kernel drivers for USB devices
[18:53:44] devinheitmueller: pppoe_dude: which device are you interested in?
[18:53:47] pppoe_dude: hd homerun is just too pricey for my budget
[18:53:54] wagnerrp: but im not aware of any similar utility in OSX
[18:53:56] pppoe_dude: devinheitmueller, i'm interested in the cheaper USB drive ones.
[18:54:03] devinheitmueller: Did you have one in particular in mind?
[18:54:07] pppoe_dude: um... usb drive *style* ones
[18:54:09] wagnerrp: pricey? you can often get an HDHR for <$100
[18:54:24] pppoe_dude: wagnerrp, where from?
[18:54:33] devinheitmueller: Also, if you want analog, they don't work very well with MythTV even under Linux because they capture raw video (and not MPEG2 compressed streams)
[18:54:53] wagnerrp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815345007
[18:54:59] wagnerrp: $90, $45/tuner
[18:55:37] pppoe_dude: devinheitmueller, I was looking at one, hold on let me see what the model is
[18:55:49] pppoe_dude: devinheitmueller, i need digital (canada / atsc)
[18:56:28] pppoe_dude: wagnerrp, i live in canada, i can't see a price at that link
[18:56:29] wagnerrp: are you intending this for some mac mini you are going to dedicate to HTPC duty next to your TV?
[18:56:45] pppoe_dude: wagnerrp, i do not have a TV, only an imac
[18:57:00] wagnerrp: looks like $130 on newegg.ca
[18:57:08] pppoe_dude: but may be running a separate linux machine later on
[18:57:21] pppoe_dude: in which case, might be able to connect the linux machine to the imac display
[18:57:26] wagnerrp: an imac that would be dedicated to HTPC duty?
[18:57:26] pppoe_dude: wagnerrp, sounds about right
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[18:59:32] pppoe_dude: devinheitmueller, i guess any of the hauppauge cheap ones
[18:59:34] pppoe_dude: or tv wonder
[19:00:04] devinheitmueller: So here a fun little question: how much would you pay for a piece of software that would allow such a device to be used under OSX with MythTV?
[19:00:45] pppoe_dude: devinheitmueller, i'm just trying to keep all of it together under $70
[19:01:08] wagnerrp: looks like $70+$10SH from newegg on the "cheap" -950Q
[19:01:10] devinheitmueller: Ok, good luck with that then.  :-)
[19:01:10] pppoe_dude: devinheitmueller, the device i was looking at was diamond ati theater hd 750
[19:01:17] wagnerrp: so its right up there with the HDHR per tuner
[19:01:24] devinheitmueller: The 750 is totally unsupported, even under Linux.
[19:01:34] pppoe_dude: wagnerrp, that ones looks not too bad, but needs special software, no?
[19:01:52] wagnerrp: -850 is only $64 after shipping, but im not sure what the difference between that and the -950 is, besides it being newer
[19:01:54] pppoe_dude: devinheitmueller, ok, the 950q one is not bad either, but would it be supported?
[19:02:07] devinheitmueller: No, none of those devices are currently supported under OSX.
[19:02:17] pppoe_dude: ok.
[19:02:32] devinheitmueller: With software available today, the HDHR is your only option under OSX.
[19:02:40] wagnerrp: your best bet for OSX would be something elegato
[19:02:40] pppoe_dude: let me ask then, which is the most well supported one under linux, given my budget?
[19:02:50] wagnerrp: and then youre going to need eyetv, since mythtv doesnt support any OSX capture APIs
[19:03:40] wagnerrp: before you go any further, will this imac be a dedicated, always on system?
[19:03:48] pppoe_dude: wagnerrp, more or less
[19:04:21] wagnerrp: mythtv is not designed as a "tv viewing" application, it is intended for scheduled recording
[19:04:41] pppoe_dude: ok
[19:04:43] wagnerrp: meaning it either sits on an always-on server, or it is given full authority over when the machine shuts down and boots up
[19:04:57] pppoe_dude: then my understanding is not complete.
[19:05:49] pppoe_dude: so i can probably install linux on the imac, and use one of the linux-compatible tv tuners to view normal TV — correct?
[19:06:04] pppoe_dude: I am assuming there is another program that runs on linux that lets you view live tv.
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[19:09:49] wagnerrp: do you just want to watch tv? or do you want to record it and watch later?
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[19:13:04] pppoe_dude: wagnerrp, mostly watch, but may also want to record
[19:13:30] wagnerrp: you're likely better off grabbing an elegato tuner, and use their bundled OSX software
[19:14:42] pppoe_dude: im might end up doing that, however, if i do choose to install linux on my imac, what's a good program to watch tv with one of the compatible tv tuners on that link i posted?
[19:14:57] wagnerrp: VLC? mplayer? kaffeine?
[19:15:17] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: he said "good".
[19:15:20] devinheitmueller: ;-)
[19:15:24] wagnerrp: mythtv will do it, but if you just want to watch tv, its a whole lot of unnecessary configuration
[19:15:39] wagnerrp: one of those will get you where you want to go a lot faster
[19:15:42] pppoe_dude: i like vlc
[19:15:58] pppoe_dude: i thought i needed a special program to hook up to the tuner
[19:16:07] wagnerrp: yes, the tuner driver
[19:16:09] pppoe_dude: but i guess the kernel will recognize it as an input device automatically
[19:16:17] devinheitmueller: Unfortunately, both VLC and mplayer are poorly optimized for "tv watching". They are good at playing back streams, but have no channel scanning or even the notion of channels.
[19:16:21] wagnerrp: if you have the proper driver module loaded
[19:16:34] wagnerrp: do any of those applications have channel scanning?
[19:16:40] devinheitmueller: I hear MeTV isn't bad, but haven't used it.
[19:16:50] devinheitmueller: ... and Kaffeine also has channel scanning built in.
[19:16:51] wagnerrp: i thought they all relied on a channels.conf from a `scan` run
[19:17:09] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: mplayer has such support, but you basically have to run "mplayer dvb://FOO"
[19:17:32] devinheitmueller: ... and then it has some really rudimentary "up/down" notion to go to the next/previous entry in the scan file.
[19:17:55] wagnerrp: VLC requires the channel be tuned manually outside itself?
[19:17:59] pppoe_dude: maybe it is best to go with the hd homerun
[19:18:03] wagnerrp: messy....
[19:18:21] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: I think there are fields where you can specify a target frequency in the "open" dialog.
[19:18:45] wagnerrp: hell.... at that point, are they really doing anything more than just reading the stream off /dev/dvb/adapterN/frontend0?
[19:19:09] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: not really.
[19:19:17] devinheitmueller: Like I said, those apps aren't really designed for "tv watching"
[19:19:41] devinheitmueller: Everybody I know who has used VLC were building custom applications which controlled the channel changing (and only used VLC as a playback engine through the telnet interface)
[19:19:43] pppoe_dude: mhm
[19:20:00] devinheitmueller: That said though, both MeTV and Kaffeine were designed with TV watching as a goal.
[19:20:20] wagnerrp: as i recall, silicondust used to do the same thing for their tuners
[19:20:22] pppoe_dude: i just want simple tv watching
[19:20:44] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: SiliconDust ships an "hdhomerun_config" tool which is basically the same. The expectation is that they don't build applications.
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[19:20:57] devinheitmueller: (and hdhomerun_config is really just supposed to be used for testing)
[19:21:00] wagnerrp: some basic GDI application that would tune the tuner and then spawn an instance of VLC to stream it
[19:21:15] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: correct.
[19:21:21] devinheitmueller: That's what hdhomerun_config does.
[19:21:24] wagnerrp: a couple years ago, they started shipping a HDHomeRun QuickTV application though
[19:21:26] devinheitmueller: Doh, I mean hdhomerun_gui.
[19:21:52] devinheitmueller: I am unfamiliar with their "QuickTV" app. It might be the same thing as hdhomerun_gui.
[19:22:07] wagnerrp: still fairly simple, requires you to scan separately with hdhomerun_gui
[19:22:38] wagnerrp: but its basically video playback within an empty window frame
[19:22:59] wagnerrp: with a clickable channel list that fades behind the video on the right side
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[19:35:15] wagnerrp: "I use an HD-PVR to record .mkv files"... the HDPVR only outputs mpeg2 ts doesnt it?
[19:35:35] devinheitmueller: Yes.
[19:35:49] devinheitmueller: It's H.264 with an MPEG2 TS container type
[19:36:10] devinheitmueller: I can only assume that the person is transcoding to redo the container.
[19:36:39] devinheitmueller: (which is pretty trivial to do as a lossless operation)
[19:36:47] wagnerrp: potentially leaving the now-invalid seek table
[19:37:02] devinheitmueller: Well, that I cannot speak to.
[19:37:36] devinheitmueller: But to answer your question: No, the hdpvr firmware cannot generate MKV format natively.
[19:37:49] wagnerrp: thats what i thought, thanks
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[21:20:48] Guierrmo: mythtv thinks its still recording
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