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| [00:24:16] | darkstarbyte: | Can I just go to the storage directory, where my recording are stored, and delete old recordings? |
| [00:25:12] | wagnerrp: | sure, but then youll just end up with all these orphaned recordings that mythtv cant find |
| [00:25:34] | darkstarbyte: | I should delete them within mythtv, go it. |
| [00:26:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no way to tell the difference between a recording that was intentionally deleted, and one that may exist on a failed or otherwise offline drive |
| [00:26:12] | wagnerrp: | so it does nothing unless you force it to delete those entries |
| [00:26:54] | darkstarbyte: | How in the interface would I delete recordings? |
| [00:27:36] | wagnerrp: | you can do it in watch recordings with 'd', or through the 'm' menu, or in manage recordings, or you could leave them be and let mythtv auto-expire them as it needs more storage space |
| [00:28:09] | darkstarbyte: | thanks, this interface is a little hard to use than programming C. |
| [00:30:00] | darkstarbyte: | still not gone, which is why I should not have said, delete files slowly. |
| [00:30:28] | wagnerrp: | you should only ever use that if your files are stored on EXT3 |
| [00:30:43] | darkstarbyte: | oh |
| [00:30:48] | darkstarbyte: | I use ext4 though. |
| [00:30:56] | darkstarbyte: | I guess I will turn that off later. |
| [00:31:06] | darkstarbyte: | When I don't have stuff recording. |
| [00:31:07] | wagnerrp: | but in any case, it should be removed from the recordings list almost immediately |
| [00:31:24] | darkstarbyte: | It is taking its time with the physical file. |
| [00:31:47] | wagnerrp: | the file is not deleted immediately, but is marked for deletion |
| [00:32:01] | darkstarbyte: | One file is gone, waiting for the other. |
| [00:32:11] | wagnerrp: | which will generally occur some time in the next couple minutes, when the auto-expire routine makes another pass |
| [00:32:13] | darkstarbyte: | I am not going to delete them my self. |
| [00:32:41] | wagnerrp: | the "slow delete" option is something different, specifically for ext2/3 which has terrible delete performance |
| [00:32:52] | darkstarbyte: | In ext4 |
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| [00:33:06] | wagnerrp: | on ext3, if you try to delete a 5GB file, it can bind the whole system up for tens of seconds |
| [00:33:10] | darkstarbyte: | I think it deletes where the file is kept not the file. |
| [00:33:25] | wagnerrp: | so the slow delete option slowly truncates off the end of the file, a couple MB at a time |
| [00:33:41] | wagnerrp: | right, i understand youre not using ext3, just explaining what it does |
| [00:33:57] | darkstarbyte: | I get it now, I just thought they all worked like ext4 |
| [00:34:20] | darkstarbyte: | Where it takes a long time to delete a couple hundred gigabytes. |
| [00:34:33] | darkstarbyte: | longer the more everything is split up. |
| [00:34:41] | wagnerrp: | taking a long time to delete isnt an issue |
| [00:35:03] | wagnerrp: | its that while doing so, it locks up everything else |
| [00:35:20] | wagnerrp: | im not aware if ext4 exhibits any similar behavior to that |
| [00:35:46] | darkstarbyte: | I deleted 137 files, split up into a couple thousand files. |
| [00:35:50] | darkstarbyte: | I mena |
| [00:35:52] | darkstarbyte: | mean* |
| [00:36:03] | darkstarbyte: | 137 gigabytes worth of files. |
| [00:36:29] | darkstarbyte: | I will be back later, after dinner. |
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| [00:43:49] | darkstarbyte: | back |
| [00:44:02] | darkstarbyte: | It is recursive deleting that takes forever. |
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| [00:45:17] | darkstarbyte: | Everything else is just fine wagnerrp |
| [00:47:37] | darkstarbyte: | In the command line, I would just use mythcommflag to detect commercials? --getcutlist |
| [00:47:57] | darkstarbyte: | In the command line, I would just use mythcommflag --getcutlist to detect commercials? |
| [00:47:59] | darkstarbyte: | * |
| [00:48:21] | wagnerrp: | no, --getcutlist prints the current cutlist stored in the database |
| [00:57:27] | darkstarbyte: | Ok just mythcommflag the video |
| [00:58:30] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be running it manually anyway |
| [00:58:34] | wagnerrp: | use the jobqueue |
| [00:58:53] | darkstarbyte: | Have to go, running it anyways |
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| [01:26:08] | darkstarbyte: | I think it uses the when in doubt algorithm |
| [01:26:37] | darkstarbyte: | If you can't say for certain that *fill in the blank* is a commercial, then say it is not. |
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| [01:52:00] | darkstarbyte: | 1.8 gigabytes for a 22 minute show, must mean that it is lower quality than the olympics video I was recording. |
| [01:52:48] | darkstarbyte: | 720p/i sounds good. |
| [01:53:21] | darkstarbyte: | yeah it is 720i |
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| [04:06:33] | wagnerrp: | cascadua: no, i do not have an HDPVR to assist with that |
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| [04:29:56] | cascadua: | I think my HD PVR works, I'm simply having trouble getting it to play with MythTV. My HDHomeRun works just fine – I have it hooked up to a broadcast antenna. But I get Error opening jump program file buffer when I switch to the HD PVR. |
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| [08:42:47] | peitolm: | if i'm seeing "mythbackend[22979]: segfault at 88 ip b3b29492 sp ae219010 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[b3ac2000+2c1000]" a couple of times, where all the numbers change apart from 'error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[b3ac2000+2c1000]', does that indicate a code problem, or a hardware problem? |
| [08:43:37] | peitolm: | hmm, given it seems to be failling when starting a recording, I guess it's software |
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| [09:03:04] | lautriv_: | peit what myth-version kernel /distro ? |
| [09:05:36] | lautriv_: | uh, wrong highlight peitolm ^^ |
| [09:06:22] | peitolm: | 0.25.1 gentoo 3.2.1-gentoo-r2 |
| [09:06:25] | peitolm: | afk, meeting |
| [09:10:15] | lautriv_: | peitolm ok, read this after meeting then. most segfaults refer to hardware or kernel ( which is close to it ) . many ppl had different issues on kernels between 3.0 and 3.3 , most are related to timing/speed. you may consider to compile 3.4.x. |
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| [10:30:48] | lautriv: | hmmm, i guess this looks bad --> TVRecEvent diseqc.cpp:489 (Execute) DiSEqCDevTree: No root device tree node! |
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| [13:04:37] | wagnerrp: | todd... why are you so frustratingly dense... |
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| [13:26:04] | peitolm: | ? |
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| [13:28:21] | wagnerrp: | todd is a person on the mythtvtalk forums |
| [13:29:00] | wagnerrp: | for years, he was on a campaign against amd64 systems, promoting the use of i386, because he could never figure out how to make a 64-bit system stable |
| [13:29:19] | wagnerrp: | part of that could have been due to him trying to run a 1st-gen 64-bit P4 |
| [13:29:43] | wagnerrp: | now hes trying to run mythtv from source, using the git repository |
| [13:30:11] | wagnerrp: | so hes reading the documentation on the website, and the website is slightly dated and incorrect, saying to 'git checkout 0.24' |
| [13:30:34] | wagnerrp: | when in reality the proper would be 'v0.24' for the release tag, or 'fixes/0.24' for the branch |
| [13:31:05] | wagnerrp: | he cant make that inductive leap on his own, so i explain it to him |
| [13:31:41] | wagnerrp: | and now hes complaining that he keeps getting errors that git cant find the repository.... because he is running it from his home directory, and not in any directory within a cloned repository |
| [13:32:28] | wagnerrp: | i mean im not expecting everyone to be a computer genius, but jesus christ, its like hes not even trying |
| [13:33:38] | wagnerrp: | error message says he is not currently within a repository directory... where is he? home directory. well home surely isnt the mythtv git repository, ah-hyuck ah-hyuck |
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| [13:36:04] | sphery: | and one has to wonder why he'd be trying to compile from source |
| [13:36:28] | sphery: | unless you're patching code or developing code, there's really no benefit (only extra work--not to mention extra learning) |
| [13:36:49] | wagnerrp: | because hes running some ancient version of Mint, that not only doesnt have mythtv 0.25 packages, but doesnt even have the prerequisite dependencies |
| [13:36:59] | ViperSBT: | So, I've got my InifniTV card up and running, and can go watch LiveTV and tune all the channels that I am supposed to tune... However, scheduled recordings aren't working properly. The schedule works and kicks off when it is supposed to and if I go to watch recordings I can see it there saying that it is recording, but the file size is showin 0.0GB and if I try to watch it, it says no file... What gives? |
| [13:37:24] | wagnerrp: | of course hes going to be in for a rude surprise when he blindly follows my directions on using 'fixes/0.24' rather than '0.24', only to find he built MythTV 0.24 rather than 0.25 |
| [13:38:24] | wagnerrp: | fan-fu**ing-tastic! |
| [13:38:43] | wagnerrp: | FCC rules that Verizon cannot charge users extra for 4G tethering |
| [13:41:04] | russell5: | i thought it was only they couldnt block apps? |
| [13:41:28] | sphery: | ViperSBT: that's usually a problem with your input connections configuration |
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| [13:41:53] | sphery: | ViperSBT: I'd recommend http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 and being /very/ careful to properly reconfigure things the 2nd time through |
| [13:42:08] | ViperSBT: | Thanks, I'll give it a go... |
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| [13:44:07] | wagnerrp: | russell5: seems the implication is that they cannot block 3rd party applications that provide independent (and free of charge) tethering capabilities |
| [13:44:59] | wagnerrp: | presumably that also means they are not allowed to terminate or otherwise penalize customers who are using those applications, rather than paying for their own first party tethering service |
| [13:45:08] | peitolm: | Does anyonw know if it's possible to set the hwclock of a system using DVB-S as a source? |
| [13:45:34] | wagnerrp: | would this before a machine with no network access? |
| [13:45:41] | wagnerrp: | *be for |
| [13:46:06] | russell5: | wagnerrp, makes sense so it ends up being free with an app just not directly through them |
| [13:46:07] | peitolm: | the machine has network access, |
| [13:46:18] | wagnerrp: | then just use NTP |
| [13:46:21] | peitolm: | perhaps i'm asing the wrong questoin |
| [13:46:35] | wagnerrp: | the code is already in place, and at least ATSC is only capable of one second precision |
| [13:47:18] | peitolm: | I'm getting recordings that are missing the end, (because they start late), at the moment myth can't adjust a recording based on EIT information, can it? (over and above schedule changes) |
| [13:47:39] | peitolm: | in fact, does EIT have 'current show is X, finishing in N mins/at X |
| [13:48:10] | sphery: | we don't adjust recording rules based on EIT |
| [13:48:35] | peitolm: | could we? |
| [13:48:38] | sphery: | but if EIT updates the times in the DB while it's recording, we will use the new times |
| [13:48:41] | wagnerrp: | well if the show moves slightly, and you are using a metadata-matching rule rather than a timeframe-matching one, yes it does |
| [13:48:57] | peitolm: | wonder why that's not working for me then |
| [13:49:04] | sphery: | but note, also, that there's a big difference between EIT data (which we use) and now/next data (which is usually the only part that's adjusted to the min/second) |
| [13:49:13] | wagnerrp: | its just it seems people like to use those "record show in timeslot" rules |
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| [13:49:26] | wagnerrp: | so when the show moves outside that timeslot, it no longer matches the rule |
| [13:49:35] | sphery: | and, yeah, if using EIT, you shouldn't be using timeslot rules |
| [13:49:58] | peitolm: | i think in this case, the rule is 'record this at any time on this channel' |
| [13:50:14] | sphery: | that's what you'd want (an any time rule) |
| [13:50:59] | ** peitolm pokes his backend ** | |
| [13:56:27] | peitolm: | how the frel have I got a record that won't record because 'Another programme with a higher recording priority will be recorded' when none of my tuners have anything scheduled until later, and the one that does does carry BBC olypmics |
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| [14:02:24] | peitolm: | and it still won't record |
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| [16:20:19] | sphery: | peitolm: because you've set up some channel or input priority (which are evil), which makes a later showing of the same show a higher-priority showing, so it's recording the later showing? |
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| [17:04:03] | ViperSBT: | OK, so I was having problems recording programs, but not watching them using my Ceton InfiniTV... It was recommended I delete my sources and re-add everything from scratch, so I deleted the sources and capture card (using delete all) and then reconfigured everything, almost. The document that was referenced said that if I am using Digital that I should Scan for channels, but when I try that it is saying that it can't open the |
| [17:04:16] | ViperSBT: | Am I missing something? |
| [17:06:42] | ronoc-work: | Is there a way to launch mythbackend in a specific sized windowed mode? I am ssh'd -Y -C to the mythbox and want to make changes without it taking over the entire screen. |
| [17:08:08] | [R]: | the backend doesnt have a window... |
| [17:10:47] | ronoc-work: | sorry the mythtv-setup |
| [17:16:45] | ViperSBT: | In .25 should I be scanning for channels or fetching them from SchedulesDirect? |
| [17:16:57] | [R]: | ViperSBT: what is your source? |
| [17:17:28] | ViperSBT: | SchedulesDirect |
| [17:17:56] | [R]: | you already said that |
| [17:18:06] | ViperSBT: | which source are you referring to then? |
| [17:18:14] | [R]: | the channels |
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| [17:19:27] | ViperSBT: | I added the 4 capture cards using the Ceton Card, then I added one source of SchedulesDirect, then in the Input Connections I married the four capture devices each to the SchedulesDirect source... |
| [17:33:52] | [R]: | so its digital channels |
| [17:33:54] | [R]: | you need to scan |
| [17:33:58] | [R]: | then use schedulesdirect |
| [17:35:15] | ViperSBT: | But, when I try to scan it tells me that it can't open the card... However, if I go to Watch TV it is using the card just fine... |
| [17:36:32] | wagnerrp: | ronoc-work: --geometry and --windowed |
| [17:36:44] | ViperSBT: | Would the Tuning Adapter be causing an issue with trying to scan for channels? In Watch TV it is just tuning up a specific channel... |
| [17:36:55] | wagnerrp: | mythtv cannot use tuning adapters |
| [17:37:04] | wagnerrp: | nor can it scan for channels from cablecard tuners |
| [17:37:12] | wagnerrp: | pull a lineup from schedules direct |
| [17:37:26] | ViperSBT: | Ahhh, OK... So simply pulling from SchedulesDirect is all I need to do... |
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| [17:37:50] | ViperSBT: | OK... Hopefully I that solved the scheduled recording problem... |
| [17:38:55] | wagnerrp: | charter uses tuning adapters in your area? |
| [17:39:10] | ViperSBT: | For a cable card in a PC they do... :) |
| [17:39:58] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, there is no linux USB support for tuning adapters at this time |
| [17:40:19] | ViperSBT: | Actually they have been doing Switched Digital in this area for quite awhile, just recently they bumped up the number of SDV channels, which caused me some headaches and forces Ceton to update their drivers, but I am getting all the channels now. |
| [17:40:20] | wagnerrp: | and i dont believe mythtv supports external channel changers for ceton tuners either |
| [17:40:29] | ViperSBT: | Ceton has support for it... |
| [17:40:43] | wagnerrp: | built into the card? |
| [17:40:55] | ViperSBT: | Nope, Linux driver... |
| [17:40:57] | wagnerrp: | or they have drivers to use a USB tuning adapter |
| [17:41:08] | ViperSBT: | You have to compile yourself, but it works... Lemme find the link |
| [17:41:50] | ViperSBT: | http://cetoncorp.com/infinitv_support/linux_drivers/ |
| [17:41:51] | wagnerrp: | ok, last i heard, they would only work with the HDHomeRun, as you would plug the tuning adapter straight into the HDHR and it would manage everything internally |
| [17:41:58] | ViperSBT: | Take a look at the Tuning Adapter Drivers... |
| [17:42:57] | ViperSBT: | That is what they had to update when Charter upped the SDV channels in my area... I think they started using a freq they weren't ready for... |
| [17:43:04] | ViperSBT: | But, it is working now on the 1.9 version |
| [17:43:40] | ViperSBT: | the driver has to be run as root |
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| [18:01:06] | ronoc-work: | wagnerrp: thank you I was missing --geometry |
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| [18:11:08] | wagnerrp: | ronoc-work: note that mythtv-setup just follows whatever UI options you configure in mythfrontend |
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| [18:53:59] | ronoc-work: | wagnerrp: that makes sense. Thanks for your help. |
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| [19:54:04] | frankster: | recording the olympics. my gf wants to record the rhythmic gymnastics. but we're not sure whether it will be broadcast on a proper channel or on red button |
| [19:54:22] | frankster: | any gotchas for recording red button stuff? |
| [19:54:24] | frankster: | UK DVB-T |
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| [20:50:15] | peitolm: | sphery: the schedule was 'record every showing' |
| [20:50:24] | peitolm: | with no duplicate check |
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| [21:00:21] | sphery: | peitolm: but if you had changed priority on inputs or channels, it would record the higher-priority one in preference |
| [21:00:29] | sphery: | oh, wait, no dup checking... |
| [21:00:38] | sphery: | not sure what's going on |
| [21:00:54] | sphery: | would have to see the mythbackend --printsched output showing it to even guess |
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| [21:26:47] | peitolm: | but even setting a schedule override, to record this specific showing, nada |
| [21:27:04] | peitolm: | anyhow, that recording has past, but if i see it again, i'll grab a --printsched |
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