| Monday, July 30th, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | lautriv: | *idle |
| [00:00:27] | [R]: | i didnt ask if it was idle |
| [00:00:30] | [R]: | i asked a very specific question |
| [00:00:32] | [R]: | that you have yet to answer |
| [00:01:04] | lautriv: | ah, you meant the amount of recordings and not the running ones. |
| [00:02:32] | lautriv: | ok, time to purge some older ones, thanks to remind me. |
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| [00:55:12] | pcluser: | What can be different about a computer box that allows myth to install ok, but can't record off the tuner (hdhomerun)? |
| [00:55:35] | [R]: | "install" is just coyping files |
| [00:55:41] | [R]: | "can't record" doesn't say anhing |
| [00:55:43] | [R]: | anything* |
| [00:55:49] | wagnerrp: | no file permissions to the recording directory? |
| [00:56:16] | pcluser: | History: Worked fine on a Dragon V1.0 for years |
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| [00:57:39] | pcluser: | Last week a power failure borked the box. I put 12.04 on a new box. Works except for recording. HDHomerun tuners work ok in hdhomerun gui, picture, everything. |
| [00:57:54] | pcluser: | I went back to 10.04, same exact thing. |
| [00:59:12] | pcluser: | Says things like recording already exists. |
| [00:59:38] | pcluser: | In the /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [00:59:39] | [R]: | you have to actually show us the full errors |
| [00:59:47] | [R]: | not interpret them saying it says things "like" |
| [00:59:56] | pcluser: | tell me what, please |
| [01:00:05] | wagnerrp: | the whole thing, copy it to pastebin.com |
| [01:00:29] | pcluser: | ok, but it was spewing many megs into the log within minutes... |
| [01:00:49] | pcluser: | coming up... |
| [01:00:52] | wagnerrp: | then paste something, let us decide if its meaningful, and go from there |
| [01:10:38] | pcluser: | http://pastebin.com/WhP1fGXE |
| [01:11:15] | pcluser: | I was doing a lot of poking around, look for the olympic recording attempts |
| [01:11:34] | wagnerrp: | "Error: dtv_multiplex data is required for tuning" |
| [01:11:38] | wagnerrp: | how did you get these channels? |
| [01:12:04] | pcluser: | Right now the menu shows that it is recording, but the status page says tuners are not recording, the schedular "thinks" it is recording. |
| [01:12:59] | wagnerrp: | there seems to be a bug somewhere that prevents the scheduler from detecting the failure |
| [01:12:59] | pcluser: | Off the data I always use, from sched direct or zap2it xmltv number |
| [01:13:07] | wagnerrp: | but the failure is almost certainly a configuration issue |
| [01:13:27] | wagnerrp: | i mean... the tuning data, where did you get the tuning data from? |
| [01:13:39] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct does not provide sufficient information to tune a digital channel |
| [01:13:57] | pcluser: | This log is not like the last, I've been also playing around with different schedules direct settings, sorry. |
| [01:14:14] | wagnerrp: | you must scan for channels, and then connect those channels to the schedules direct lineup |
| [01:14:43] | pcluser: | I have deleted all scanned channels, then entered them in manually as always... |
| [01:14:58] | pcluser: | with the channel editor. |
| [01:15:17] | wagnerrp: | that may have worked with analog channels, but tuning digital channels is a lot more complex |
| [01:15:23] | pcluser: | the schedular is showing correct programming |
| [01:15:24] | wagnerrp: | and you seem to have left out half the information |
| [01:16:15] | wagnerrp: | with analog, one frequency is one channel, very simple |
| [01:16:27] | pcluser: | I put in actual channel number. here it is 82–3 for nbc, 11366 for xmltv |
| [01:16:36] | wagnerrp: | with digital, one frequency is a multiplexed data stream, and that contains multiple channels within it |
| [01:17:00] | wagnerrp: | delete everything you manually entered |
| [01:17:00] | pcluser: | i am getting qam256 here |
| [01:17:03] | wagnerrp: | scan for channels |
| [01:17:13] | pcluser: | i get qam256 here |
| [01:17:16] | wagnerrp: | and then match up what you've scanned with the xmltv ids |
| [01:18:16] | pcluser: | I'll try what you say... |
| [01:19:03] | wagnerrp: | for the most part, your local network stations will have an identifier that allows mythtv to automatically match up the channel with the schedules direct entry |
| [01:19:22] | wagnerrp: | you generally only have to clean up a couple that did not have an exact match |
| [01:19:39] | pcluser: | And the HDHomerun doesn't do analog btw... |
| [01:19:50] | wagnerrp: | i know, ive had one for ~4 years |
| [01:21:35] | pcluser: | It has to be something stubid like this... |
| [01:22:16] | pcluser: | But I am sure I deleted all channels after a scan and entered in the settings manually for each channel. |
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| [01:22:40] | wagnerrp: | correct, and you only entered in part of the information mythtv needed |
| [01:22:55] | wagnerrp: | which is why mythtv is complaining that information is missing, and it cannot tune the channel |
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| [01:27:50] | pcluser: | Channels shown in editor now after scan don't make any sense, except the one NBC i put in manually. running mythfilldatabase anyway |
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| [01:29:32] | pcluser: | What could I be missing that I should put in editor? I put in e.g. 82–3 (this plays on hdhr tuner preview too), the xmltv number, type in name and call letters... |
| [01:30:21] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR is just sequencing the channels on that frequency linearly for convenience |
| [01:30:28] | wagnerrp: | mythtv requires the program id |
| [01:30:35] | pcluser: | I'm back on 10.04 fyi. |
| [01:31:00] | wagnerrp: | the only thing you should be doing in the channel editor is setting the xmltvid |
| [01:31:20] | wagnerrp: | and thats only if the scanner did not pick up a matching callsign that mythfilldatabase can use to populate the xmltvid automatically |
| [01:31:28] | pcluser: | On some drive I have a DD copy of my Dragon install a couple years ago... I may try to dig it up. |
| [01:31:56] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners have always required you configure them in this manner in mythtv |
| [01:33:13] | pcluser: | OK<, but when I look at scan list I can't figure it out at all.. I also may have messed up SD in last hour or two, I'll check listing choice and keep trying scanning. |
| [01:33:47] | wagnerrp: | you should only need to scan the one time |
| [01:34:11] | wagnerrp: | its going to find a mess of stuff on there, most of it wont be useful to you |
| [01:34:28] | wagnerrp: | but the local broadcast channels like NBC should have a callsign |
| [01:35:18] | pcluser: | Well, if I deleted the right choice on the SD website... |
| [01:36:40] | pcluser: | I have choice of OTA, Cable, cable digital. I use cable digital, although I only pay for basic cable. Gives analog for other tv's and has qam HDTV local. |
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| [01:43:01] | pcluser: | wow i went to schedular, bizarre numbers for channels, etc, but saw pbs shows, tried one, and it records... |
| [01:44:02] | pcluser: | but editor doesn't show me the normal channels, and even shows paid ones like discovery channel, which we don't get on Basic.. more confused now... |
| [01:45:02] | pcluser: | Since I know it is between chair and computer, I'm going to put 12.04 back in first... |
| [01:45:35] | pcluser: | ID10T error... |
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| [01:50:14] | wagnerrp: | to put it simply, those channel numbers appear bizarre because you're never supposed to see them |
| [01:50:46] | wagnerrp: | broadcast stations transmit an arbitrary major and minor channel number, that can be completely independent of the physical frequency and stream id |
| [01:51:17] | wagnerrp: | cable systems have their own out-of-band virtual channel mapping that only approved digital cable hardware can access and understand |
| [01:51:52] | wagnerrp: | since you're not a good little cable subscriber running through their cable box, you dont get the cleaned up version |
| [01:52:29] | wagnerrp: | and apparently silicon dust's tool does its own internal subchannel numbering, just to make it appear somewhat sane |
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| [01:53:52] | wagnerrp: | feel free to rename those channels using the broadcast or cable virtual channel mapping, which ever makes more sense to you |
| [01:56:43] | pcluser_: | ok, thanks. Next problem is trying to get sound on the Dell junk box I put this in, or the chaintech av-710 card from my Dragon, both look like a pin from researching.. But that will come later... |
| [01:56:54] | pcluser_: | *pain |
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| [02:05:33] | darkstarbyte: | Where would I go to get a list of channels? |
| [02:05:50] | darkstarbyte: | The scanning function is broken for me. |
| [02:07:45] | Sharky112065: | darkstarbyte: Is it a cable card tuner you are using? |
| [02:08:02] | darkstarbyte: | No, over the air. |
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| [02:08:29] | Sharky112065: | darkstarbyte: hmm. then I don't know scanning should work |
| [02:08:51] | darkstarbyte: | When I do it, it adds everything from 1 to * |
| [02:09:05] | darkstarbyte: | No names and etc. |
| [02:09:30] | darkstarbyte: | On my tv it says 3–1 and etc. |
| [02:09:47] | wagnerrp: | '1' isnt even a valid channel on most channel maps |
| [02:10:21] | wagnerrp: | what specific card are you scanning with? |
| [02:11:04] | darkstarbyte: | Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23887/8 PCIe Broadcast Audio and Video Decoder with 3D Comb (rev 0f) |
| [02:11:27] | darkstarbyte: | Unless that is the wrong one. |
| [02:11:29] | wagnerrp: | so... what card is that? |
| [02:12:06] | darkstarbyte: | Hold on, while I take the side off of my running computer. |
| [02:12:39] | wagnerrp: | HVR-1800/1850? HVR-1255? |
| [02:12:46] | wagnerrp: | any of those ring a bell? |
| [02:12:59] | darkstarbyte: | WinTV 1800 |
| [02:13:15] | darkstarbyte: | HVR-1800 |
| [02:13:21] | wagnerrp: | do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0? |
| [02:13:32] | darkstarbyte: | I will check |
| [02:13:42] | darkstarbyte: | yeah |
| [02:14:13] | darkstarbyte: | That should be the device it is set to? |
| [02:14:57] | wagnerrp: | you are connecting this to an antenna, not a cable line? |
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| [02:18:10] | wagnerrp: | darkstarbyte: ^^^ |
| [02:18:27] | darkstarbyte: | I don't have cable. |
| [02:19:00] | wagnerrp: | you have the antenna plugged into the threaded F-connector marked "ANT IN", and not the one marked "TV IN"? |
| [02:19:05] | darkstarbyte: | Along with that i don't want to be home at certain hours. |
| [02:19:18] | darkstarbyte: | ANT IN |
| [02:20:01] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup, card setup, you want to add a new card of card type "DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)" |
| [02:20:13] | wagnerrp: | when you select that from the dropdown, it should automatically detect the proper card |
| [02:20:25] | darkstarbyte: | ok, I should switch this IRC to my laptop. |
| [02:20:39] | wagnerrp: | (that being /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) |
| [02:21:18] | darkstarbyte: | thanks |
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| [02:21:32] | darkstarbyte_: | I am on the laptop |
| [02:21:43] | wagnerrp: | remember, you need to connect that to video source (channel list) |
| [02:21:47] | darkstarbyte: | repasting what you said for reference. |
| [02:22:01] | darkstarbyte: | ok |
| [02:22:01] | wagnerrp: | !url logs |
| [02:22:01] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [02:22:15] | darkstarbyte: | Nice |
| [02:22:16] | wagnerrp: | no need to past anything in here, see the logs |
| [02:22:47] | wagnerrp: | you will want to perform a "Full Scan", "Broadcast" frequency table, and "Terrestrial (8-VSB)" modulation |
| [02:23:12] | darkstarbyte: | starting mytv |
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| [02:24:06] | darkstarbyte_: | select what from the drop down? |
| [02:24:33] | darkstarbyte_: | dvb dtv |
| [02:24:34] | wagnerrp: | starts with "DVB" |
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| [02:26:22] | darkstarbyte_: | No atsc |
| [02:26:32] | darkstarbyte_: | I am in america, I should be using ntsc, right? |
| [02:26:52] | wagnerrp: | no, NTSC no longer exists |
| [02:27:03] | darkstarbyte_: | I was unaware of this. |
| [02:27:17] | wagnerrp: | technically there are some analog NTSC stations still active, but they are all very low power |
| [02:27:29] | wagnerrp: | we transitioned to digital TV three years ago |
| [02:27:36] | darkstarbyte_: | Now going to hook up the antenna for this. |
| [02:27:39] | wagnerrp: | ATSC is the digital TV standard, NTSC is the analog standard |
| [02:27:42] | darkstarbyte_: | I must be thinking of dvds |
| [02:28:09] | darkstarbyte_: | I could rig up an even better antenna than I can buy. |
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| [02:30:37] | darkstarbyte_: | Thanks for all of your help. |
| [02:30:51] | darkstarbyte_: | This was the issue last time, but not any more. |
| [02:31:50] | darkstarbyte_: | I wonder which gage of wire to use. (I hope I used the right gage.) |
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| [03:17:22] | darkstarbyte_: | Do I need another frontend in order to record stuff with mythtv? |
| [03:17:38] | darkstarbyte_: | like xbmc or xmbc, which ever way it is. |
| [03:17:53] | [R]: | frontends have nothign to do with recording |
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| [03:18:16] | darkstarbyte_: | how do I browse eit and record stuff based on that? |
| [03:18:34] | wagnerrp: | well that depends on you actually having EIT data to browse |
| [03:18:57] | wagnerrp: | the FCC only requires stations provide the descriptors for 12 hours worth of data |
| [03:19:07] | wagnerrp: | few provide more than that |
| [03:19:11] | wagnerrp: | and many fill that with garbage |
| [03:19:38] | darkstarbyte_: | how do I start recording? |
| [03:19:56] | wagnerrp: | make a rule, let the scheduler record stuff matching that rule |
| [03:20:16] | darkstarbyte_: | How would I make a rule? |
| [03:20:25] | wagnerrp: | "manage recordings" |
| [03:20:32] | wagnerrp: | in mythfrontend |
| [03:20:35] | darkstarbyte_: | oh ok |
| [03:21:16] | wagnerrp: | in north america, we use schedules direct for EPG data |
| [03:21:25] | darkstarbyte_: | Could not connect to master backend. |
| [03:21:48] | wagnerrp: | membership grants you access to two weeks worth of good quality data, licensed from Tribune Media Services |
| [03:21:55] | wagnerrp: | did you run the backend? |
| [03:22:05] | darkstarbyte_: | Hope fully. |
| [03:22:08] | darkstarbyte_: | I will check |
| [03:22:12] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [03:22:40] | darkstarbyte_: | am now |
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| [03:23:05] | wagnerrp: | backend records, frontend plays, and you can have multiples of each |
| [03:23:16] | darkstarbyte_: | damn |
| [03:23:23] | darkstarbyte_: | Computer froze. |
| [03:23:54] | darkstarbyte_: | Will never hit live tv again. |
| [03:24:31] | wagnerrp: | if live tv caused your system to freeze, i would be concerned about all playback exhibiting the same behavior |
| [03:24:35] | wagnerrp: | what graphics card? |
| [03:25:29] | darkstarbyte_: | WinTV |
| [03:25:33] | darkstarbyte_: | 1800 |
| [03:25:37] | wagnerrp: | output, not input |
| [03:25:47] | darkstarbyte_: | ? |
| [03:25:53] | wagnerrp: | nvidia? amd/ati? intel? |
| [03:26:03] | darkstarbyte_: | intel, and shitty at that. |
| [03:32:41] | darkstarbyte_: | How much does this account cost? |
| [03:32:51] | wagnerrp: | $25/yr |
| [03:33:09] | darkstarbyte_: | It might be worth it, if I had cable. |
| [03:33:27] | wagnerrp: | Tribune used to provide it for free, but it got abused by certain commercial interests |
| [03:33:36] | wagnerrp: | so they took it away and now we have to license it at a nominal cost |
| [03:33:54] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is pretty useless without guide data |
| [03:34:09] | wagnerrp: | and EIT in North America does not qualify |
| [03:34:22] | darkstarbyte_: | Damn those commercial interests. |
| [03:35:02] | wagnerrp: | specifically, a certain british EPG application that saw falling NA customers |
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| [03:35:18] | wagnerrp: | so they dropped their tribune license, and told their users to sign up for a zap2it account |
| [03:36:20] | darkstarbyte_: | So why 25/year? |
| [03:37:06] | wagnerrp: | TMS charges SD a very large sum, and that value is what we get when that sum is spread over all the active members |
| [03:40:32] | darkstarbyte_: | I wonder what the large sum is. |
| [03:40:42] | darkstarbyte_: | wait I don't think I am supposed to know. |
| [03:41:06] | [R]: | $25 for a year is not a lot |
| [03:41:27] | darkstarbyte_: | The TMS sum. |
| [03:41:30] | [R]: | thats $2 a month |
| [03:41:36] | [R]: | for top quality listing data |
| [03:42:18] | wagnerrp: | here we go... TSReader dump for CBS affiliate KIDK, channel 3–1 |
| [03:42:21] | wagnerrp: | http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/id-pif/56028-0_0.htm |
| [03:42:49] | wagnerrp: | EIT-0 through EIT-3 are the minimum FCC requirement, four blocks of three hours of data each |
| [03:45:01] | wagnerrp: | darkstarbyte_: im guessing thats the 3–1 you were referring to a while back |
| [03:46:11] | darkstarbyte_: | yeah |
| [03:46:32] | darkstarbyte_: | I can't get the eit data to work on any of the channels. |
| [03:46:44] | wagnerrp: | chances are good that data wont include more than the series name |
| [03:46:53] | wagnerrp: | if that |
| [03:47:42] | darkstarbyte_: | I would like just that. |
| [03:48:12] | wagnerrp: | thats no good, as it doesnt allow duplicate detection to filter out episodes you've already recorded in the past |
| [03:48:44] | darkstarbyte_: | Don't really care. |
| [03:48:46] | wagnerrp: | or for only new episodes, or any of a number of other conditions good guide data allows you to work on |
| [03:48:59] | darkstarbyte_: | It is better than no names at all. |
| [03:49:37] | wagnerrp: | marginally |
| [03:49:55] | darkstarbyte_: | In mythtv-setup Video Sources=>your EPG source, check the box "Perform EIT Scan" |
| [03:50:00] | darkstarbyte_: | I already tried that |
| [03:50:11] | darkstarbyte_: | Is there something else I need to do? |
| [03:50:19] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has two modes of operation |
| [03:50:33] | wagnerrp: | you can either run passive, where it just collects EIT data as you are otherwise recording on a channel |
| [03:50:55] | wagnerrp: | or active, where it will grab a tuner after it is idle for more than five minutes, and start scanning through the channels for data |
| [03:51:15] | darkstarbyte_: | how do I do the second one? |
| [03:51:36] | wagnerrp: | dont know where the setting is, never really cared to use it one way or the other |
| [03:55:00] | darkstarbyte_: | table recorded is marked as crashed and should be repaired. |
| [03:55:20] | wagnerrp: | you said your machine locked up at some point? |
| [03:55:33] | darkstarbyte_: | when I hit live mode. |
| [03:55:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mysql doesnt much like that |
| [03:56:08] | wagnerrp: | and if you're modifying a database when that happens, the table is now in an inconsistent state, or "crashed" |
| [03:56:11] | wagnerrp: | you must repair it |
| [03:56:18] | darkstarbyte_: | how? |
| [03:57:12] | wagnerrp: | myisamchk i suppose |
| [03:57:20] | darkstarbyte_: | ok |
| [03:57:23] | wagnerrp: | the database backup utility may have a repair mechanism |
| [03:57:30] | wagnerrp: | mythweb may have a repair mechanism |
| [03:57:48] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, im not entirely sure the procedure, as i dont recall having to deal with it maybe five years |
| [04:00:07] | wagnerrp: | freebsd tends to be a bit more resilient against such inconsistent state issues |
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| [04:10:57] | darkstarbyte_: | I will fix this later. |
| [04:11:02] | darkstarbyte_: | I am going to go to sleep now. |
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| [05:21:46] | fafa88: | 0.25/fixes, no crashes in the last 2 weeks! Whoah! |
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| [07:23:38] | k-man: | yeah, its been really stable for me too |
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| [07:31:28] | MMlosh: | Hmm... Does mythfilldatabase work without a local mythtv instance running? |
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| [07:31:44] | MMlosh: | Because otherwise I can't explain why is my program database still up to date |
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| [08:00:37] | [R]: | local instance? |
| [08:00:38] | [R]: | huh? |
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| [08:16:55] | darkstarbyte: | That problem with eit data was fixed when I repaired the tables |
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| [08:21:54] | darkstarbyte: | livetv is still broken. |
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| [08:28:05] | darkstarbyte: | Most of the channels I get, have broken eit. |
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| [08:38:47] | prologic: | Hey guys. I cannot scan in channels Nine or SBS (AU/Brisbane). The problem is detailed in bug #9777 (http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9777). Can anyone suggest a quickfix/workaround? (That doesn't involve fixing the scanner logic in the code) |
| [08:38:47] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9777 ** | |
| [08:53:09] | darkstarbyte: | Usually the hacks will do this, but force you to mess with the code. |
| [08:57:08] | prologic: | Yeah I'm wondering if I can get around the problem by hacking the db or manually entering a channel |
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| [10:40:50] | prologic: | Q: Is it necessary to perform a full scan on both inputs if you have a dual tuner? Or just one of them? |
| [10:42:30] | darkstarbyte: | I think it is, unless they both use the same antenna. |
| [10:43:11] | darkstarbyte: | Or, one could be using cable tv, and the other could be using what ever is over the error. |
| [10:43:26] | darkstarbyte: | I mean over the air. |
| [10:45:00] | prologic: | they do both use the same antenna |
| [10:45:08] | darkstarbyte: | It might also be an idiosyncrasy of mythtv |
| [10:45:14] | prologic: | maybe |
| [10:45:18] | prologic: | just when I do a scann on both inputs |
| [10:45:25] | prologic: | I often (always) end up with duplicate channels |
| [10:45:29] | prologic: | so I think it's silly |
| [10:45:47] | prologic: | I'm not sure scanning on both identical inputs is necessary to populate the channels |
| [10:45:53] | prologic: | if anyone can confirm? |
| [10:48:30] | SteveGoodey: | prologic: If there's one antenna you just need to scan once. |
| [10:49:21] | prologic: | To fix my Channel Nine (I'm in Australia/Brisbane) problem btw I followed this: http://lists.humbug.org.au/pipermail/general/ . . . /019623.html |
| [10:49:42] | prologic: | basically deleting all channels and transports and inputting channels scanned in from tzap |
| [10:50:22] | SteveGoodey: | prologic: Then tie both tuners to the one channel list. |
| [10:50:24] | darkstarbyte: | time to read some web comics |
| [10:50:55] | prologic: | SteveGoodey, in Input Sources? |
| [10:52:21] | SteveGoodey: | prologic: See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:MythTV_structure just go through 1–7, General, Capture Cards, Vide Sources etc. |
| [10:56:06] | SteveGoodey: | prologic: Input Connections |
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| [10:58:04] | prologic: | do I link them to the same input group? |
| [10:58:15] | prologic: | both tuners are set to "Generic" at present |
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| [11:01:07] | SteveGoodey: | What sort of Capture Card you using? |
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| [11:04:57] | dekarl-too: | darkstarbyte, "broken EIT" as in "no guide at all due to missing ONID/TSID in the transport table"? You can try http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10784 |
| [11:05:38] | darkstarbyte: | dekarl-too, if I refresh the the frontend by restarting it, then it works. |
| [11:06:02] | dekarl-too: | this might also be interesting http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10098 |
| [11:06:25] | dekarl-too: | oh ok. if restarting the frontend fixes the EIT, then its something else |
| [11:07:49] | darkstarbyte: | For most channels, but I think some of the broadcasters here, fill the EIT with junk. |
| [11:10:11] | dekarl-too: | depending on your definition of junk we might all be in the same boat |
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| [11:10:39] | prologic: | SteveGoodey, it's a Hauppauage HVR-2200 |
| [11:10:53] | prologic: | dual tuner, single antenna input |
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| [11:11:45] | darkstarbyte: | Unreadable so that certain channels won't have any useful data to what is being aired. |
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| [11:18:20] | dekarl-too: | darkstarbyte, sounds worse then here. If ifts just MythTV but not other STB then there might be something we can do. (e.g. when there is 7 days of "to be announced" and 1-2–3 days of proper guide data, but the replacement doesnt work) |
| [11:18:50] | dekarl-too: | but likely its the broadcaster not transmitting any good data |
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| [11:24:01] | darkstarbyte: | By mistake I hit livetv, again; which cause my computer to crash, again. |
| [11:24:35] | darkstarbyte: | It records tv fine, just messes up the play back. |
| [11:26:01] | dekarl-too: | so the recording plays back with e.g. VLC but not with mythfrontend? Might be easiest to cut of the first 100mb (or so) of a recording and put it somewhere for a dev to test |
| [11:26:09] | darkstarbyte: | 31–1 where I live sucks. |
| [11:26:18] | darkstarbyte: | the eit data just does not work. |
| [11:26:47] | darkstarbyte: | vlc works great, if the video was not corrupted like last time, which I fixed with ffmpeg |
| [11:27:37] | darkstarbyte: | The copy right of the recorded movie should have expired by now. |
| [11:29:09] | darkstarbyte: | I wonder if I can look up planned things to be played. |
| [11:29:25] | darkstarbyte: | online that is. |
| [11:30:52] | dekarl-too: | usually there are copyright excemptions for research and reverse engineering (to make something compatible)... not sure about the australian variant. If you put a recording up the just cut of the first xxx MB from the original file before doing anything with it |
| [11:31:08] | dekarl-too: | you can always see if the guide from shepherd suits you |
| [11:31:16] | darkstarbyte: | I am not in Australia. |
| [11:31:50] | dekarl-too: | ohh. arin hinted that you come from an australian IP address. no harm intended |
| [11:32:27] | darkstarbyte: | No, I just know that Australia has had problems with these cards. |
| [11:33:50] | dekarl-too: | the issues with EIT will likely be different by country and/or provider. So knowing the relevant country (for DVB-T) and provider (mostly for DVB-C) would help :) |
| [11:38:06] | darkstarbyte: | I am kind of considering a membership with one of those listing sites. |
| [11:38:34] | darkstarbyte: | I am starting to get sick of this eit data. |
| [11:42:07] | darkstarbyte: | I think I should tare though the code, so I can make it put all of the eit data into certain files. That way I can see corruptions. |
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| [11:45:03] | dekarl-too: | darkstarbyte, which country is that? if its NZ you might use MHEG |
| [11:45:16] | darkstarbyte: | US |
| [11:45:28] | darkstarbyte: | Idaho falls idaho. |
| [11:45:55] | dekarl-too: | ohh, then schedules direct sounds like the way to go |
| [11:46:13] | darkstarbyte: | schedules direct? |
| [11:46:21] | darkstarbyte: | googling! |
| [11:48:55] | darkstarbyte: | got it |
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| [11:56:14] | darkstarbyte: | I have the Olympics recording. |
| [12:00:07] | darkstarbyte: | Nothing else good on until later. |
| [12:00:45] | darkstarbyte: | I am going on vacation soon, and I am thinking of making a way to ssh into this computer to record more stuff. |
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| [12:24:48] | Twiggy2cents: | darkstarbyte, set up mythweb and a dynamic dns |
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| [12:39:16] | darkstarbyte: | is there a page on this? |
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| [13:01:38] | darkstarbyte: | I have no clue why perl needs so many Darn modules for its modules modules. |
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| [13:01:53] | darkstarbyte: | good bye for now. |
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| [14:07:57] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: you know, i told him about that at length last night |
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| [14:46:24] | EvilGuru: | Can anyone give me the stats for their MySQL server? The one on my mythtv box claims to be averaging 11 queries/s |
| [14:48:12] | sphery: | EvilGuru: what version of mythtv? |
| [14:48:20] | EvilGuru: | sphery: 0.25 fixes |
| [14:48:22] | sphery: | what logging options |
| [14:48:37] | EvilGuru: | Mythbuntu defaults, so I am unsure |
| [14:48:51] | sphery: | chances are you're logging at a relatively verbose level, and with DB logging, you're getting a lot of inserts |
| [14:49:41] | sphery: | and/or you're playing back ugly video that has lots of errors and, therefore, when playing back recordings, you log out errors at hundreds or thousands of messages per second, which averages to 11/s over time |
| [14:49:43] | EvilGuru: | sphery: Looking at the logging table it is maybe a query or two a minute |
| [14:52:07] | EvilGuru: | I do have EIT enabled for one of my inputs and the other uses the radiotimes XMLTV source |
| [14:53:16] | sphery: | ah, well, eit means you're constantly inserting listings data into your db |
| [14:53:33] | sphery: | so that may actually explain the majority of those |
| [14:54:14] | EvilGuru: | There are ~100,000 rows related to people and programmes so if that changes often it could explain a lot |
| [14:55:21] | wagnerrp: | nope, only during EPG updates |
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| [14:58:06] | EvilGuru: | 95% of them appear to be prepared statements |
| [14:58:14] | EvilGuru: | (95% of the queries, that is) |
| [14:58:42] | darkstarbyte: | recording the olympics soon. |
| [14:59:00] | sphery: | considering the Qt-MySQL drivers do /every/ single statement as a prepared statement (whether we use the Qt prepared statement API or not), then if that fails, re-submit as a non-prepared query, the fact that most are prepared queries says very little... |
| [14:59:26] | sphery: | i.e. it's one of those "The API is smarter than stupid developers" things |
| [15:00:24] | darkstarbyte: | The load kicks in |
| [15:00:34] | EvilGuru: | Also, unsure if it is relevant, but the server has sent 18GB but only recv'ed 5.9GB |
| [15:00:57] | EvilGuru: | So it looks more like SELECT'ing than INSERT'ing, unless bulk selects are common |
| [15:01:10] | sphery: | EvilGuru: if you're seeing listings for 10 programs/sec in your EIT stream, that would be at least 10 queries per second (whether it queries to see if there's a difference and writes only if there is or if it just does an update and lets the DB figure out it's the same) |
| [15:02:01] | sphery: | I'm guessing that EIT would need to describe several programs per second to cover the range in a reasonable period of time |
| [15:02:23] | sphery: | if you really care (and I don't see why it matters), enable query logging and read the logs |
| [15:02:31] | sphery: | query logging in mysql |
| [15:02:43] | sphery: | then disable it when you're done looking so that you don't fill up your file system |
| [15:06:13] | EvilGuru: | sphery: I was just wondering if 11q/s is highly unusual or not |
| [15:08:00] | EvilGuru: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /281797.html — guess not |
| [15:08:16] | darkstarbyte: | As long as there is idle cpu, I should not have to worry about the recording being screwed up? |
| [15:08:24] | darkstarbyte: | On my end at least, right? |
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| [15:10:12] | EvilGuru: | Still, it is a bit silly of Qt to go and prepare everything; with MySQL there really is little to gain from prepared statements |
| [15:11:02] | wagnerrp: | mysql in general? or just myisam? |
| [15:11:23] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: MySQL in general |
| [15:13:51] | EvilGuru: | darkstarbyte: What are you looking to record? |
| [15:14:16] | EvilGuru: | sphery: When EIT data is inserted does mythtv go off and run the scheduler? |
| [15:15:20] | sphery: | EvilGuru: when EIT collection is occurring a reschedule is run every 5min |
| [15:15:34] | darkstarbyte: | I am recording the olympics right now |
| [15:15:36] | EvilGuru: | Oh, right, well, that explains it then |
| [15:15:40] | sphery: | darkstarbyte: well, there are other resources, too, such as memory and disk or other I/O bandwidth |
| [15:15:59] | EvilGuru: | darkstarbyte: Define 'olympics' here that can mean 24 HD channels, elsewhere maybe one or two SD |
| [15:16:26] | sphery: | or one HDTV for some of the time (OTA in the US) |
| [15:16:40] | EvilGuru: | sphery: I presume that the scheduler has go and get listings from the DB? |
| [15:16:41] | darkstarbyte: | I can check the video with ffprobe. |
| [15:17:04] | sphery: | EvilGuru: it does a huge query that lets the db do a lot of filtering, then pulls back a lot of matches |
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| [15:17:23] | darkstarbyte: | 1080p is recording just fine on this pentium 4 ht clocked at 3.06Ghz |
| [15:17:39] | wagnerrp: | no it isnt |
| [15:17:46] | darkstarbyte: | The bit rate is ridiculous. |
| [15:17:57] | darkstarbyte: | perhaps it is 1080i, but I can't tell |
| [15:18:14] | wagnerrp: | i, yes |
| [15:18:39] | EvilGuru: | sphery: Okay, that probably explains some of the bandwidth between mysql and mythtv |
| [15:19:02] | darkstarbyte: | When I optimized my kernel and some codecs, along with X. I was able to play 1080p on this computer just fine. |
| [15:19:20] | wagnerrp: | not sure i follow, what codecs? |
| [15:19:47] | darkstarbyte: | They go about 2 percent faster when you optimize their C code. |
| [15:20:06] | wagnerrp: | you mean compile with -O3 rather than -O2 or something? |
| [15:20:17] | darkstarbyte: | Yeah, along with -march=native |
| [15:20:18] | wagnerrp: | but specifically, which codecs do you think you optimized? |
| [15:20:39] | EvilGuru: | I think ffmpeg sticks -O3 -funroll-loops into CFLAGS automatically when you compile it |
| [15:20:46] | darkstarbyte: | Just some pentium 4 mumbo jumbo. |
| [15:21:03] | wagnerrp: | what im getting at is that mythtv does not use external codecs |
| [15:21:10] | darkstarbyte: | Branch execution goes faster with it. |
| [15:21:26] | wagnerrp: | nearly everything it uses (and everything needed for ATSC) is from the built in snapshot of ffmpeg |
| [15:21:36] | darkstarbyte: | I transfered some of the video over to my laptop to play this video. |
| [15:21:41] | wagnerrp: | meaning were you to "optimized the codecs", you would have to recompile mythtv from scratch |
| [15:21:46] | darkstarbyte: | My desktop would be to loaded for this shit. |
| [15:22:03] | darkstarbyte: | I compiled mythtv from scratch. |
| [15:22:40] | darkstarbyte: | Usually when you set native, it helps with the idiosyncrasies of pentium 4 cpus. |
| [15:22:49] | EvilGuru: | 2% sounds about right from -march=native, unless that enables -msse2avx (I?), when you can get a bit more |
| [15:23:07] | darkstarbyte: | I am not sure about avx |
| [15:23:31] | wagnerrp: | far too often we get people in here talking about installing some external codec pack for gstreamer or another |
| [15:23:39] | wagnerrp: | not understanding that it makes no difference |
| [15:23:55] | darkstarbyte: | 12kb/s is rather large. |
| [15:24:05] | EvilGuru: | VEX prefixed SSE2 can help to eliminate register pressure as it has three-operand instructions |
| [15:24:25] | darkstarbyte: | I am not re-encoding on the fly! |
| [15:24:40] | darkstarbyte: | I am talking about the decoder, and recording the damn thing. |
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| [15:24:55] | wagnerrp: | recording takes nearly nothing |
| [15:25:02] | darkstarbyte: | exactly |
| [15:25:05] | wagnerrp: | all youre doing is copying the stream from the tuner to your hard disk |
| [15:25:07] | darkstarbyte: | Decoding is the bitch. |
| [15:25:32] | darkstarbyte: | sorry, for my use of language, I will stop with that now. |
| [15:25:45] | EvilGuru: | darkstarbyte: Very few software decode HD, especially 1080i, nowadays |
| [15:26:01] | darkstarbyte: | VLC |
| [15:26:47] | EvilGuru: | Far too painful without something like VDPAU, especially if you need deinterlacing |
| [15:26:59] | darkstarbyte: | I don't |
| [15:27:08] | wagnerrp: | huh? 1080i mpeg2 is trivial on any halfway decent hardware |
| [15:27:30] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Oh, right MPEG2, sorry, I keep forgetting that MPEG2 is used with HD |
| [15:27:50] | wagnerrp: | even 1080i h264 is trivial if its sliced |
| [15:27:51] | darkstarbyte: | My laptop is quad core, clocked at 1.6Ghz per core. |
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| [15:28:07] | wagnerrp: | that seems awfully slow |
| [15:28:22] | darkstarbyte: | Nice graphics though. |
| [15:28:35] | darkstarbyte: | VDPAU is not supported though. |
| [15:28:48] | darkstarbyte: | Boxee plays 1080p quite nicely also. |
| [15:29:00] | wagnerrp: | meaning AMD graphics? |
| [15:29:09] | darkstarbyte: | My laptop, yes. |
| [15:29:14] | darkstarbyte: | My Desktop, no. |
| [15:29:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ATI and linux never really mixed well |
| [15:29:58] | darkstarbyte: | With a kernel update, they play nicely together. |
| [15:30:26] | EvilGuru: | darkstarbyte: Back when I used to use the binary blob I used to find kernel upgrades used to /break/ the driver more often than not |
| [15:30:31] | EvilGuru: | Same with xorg updates |
| [15:30:32] | darkstarbyte: | Those new catalyst drivers can suck it, though. |
| [15:31:16] | darkstarbyte: | 12.6 is the worst, because they are gearing their time for Windows 8. |
| [15:31:52] | darkstarbyte: | So those Linux drivers are lagging behind. |
| [15:32:12] | darkstarbyte: | Nvidia works quite nicely. |
| [15:33:07] | darkstarbyte: | All of my other cards are nvidia. |
| [15:33:51] | sphery: | darkstarbyte: --enable-proc-opt ... I.e. "do the right thing for this particular processor" (and I'm guessing the ffmpeg developers know better than you what the right thing is for their code on your processor) |
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| [15:36:17] | sphery: | darkstarbyte: march and tune and cpu and ... are not meant to be used unless you're creating packages to be run on a variety of processors and you're compiling on a different (more-capable, often more-powerful) processor |
| [15:37:13] | darkstarbyte: | I compiled kde on this thing, in less than a day, once before. |
| [15:37:51] | darkstarbyte: | Though it helps when you optimized the kernel, and the compiler. |
| [15:38:29] | darkstarbyte: | I got around a 10% speed boost from the compiler, and 10% from the kernel. |
| [15:38:48] | sphery: | yeah, you kind of have to when you've got kernels written by people who obviously know nothing about computers |
| [15:39:06] | sphery: | that's why they say, "The user always knows more than the developers" |
| [15:39:25] | EvilGuru: | darkstarbyte: Also a support nightmare |
| [15:39:41] | sphery: | and don't get me started on packages |
| [15:39:44] | darkstarbyte: | Good programmers make good code, good developers copy and paste from the internet and make it work. |
| [15:40:42] | sphery: | I mean, someone who follows development of a program--such as MythTV--spending many hours a week (sometimes many hours a day) working to ensure the program is compiled properly for the system (including underlying libraries and configuration assumptions) thinking he can do better than joe user... |
| [15:40:51] | sphery: | it really makes no sense to me |
| [15:41:33] | sphery: | this is why Windows should be outlawed and people should just be given blank hard drives and a CD with source code |
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| [15:42:44] | darkstarbyte: | But joe blow like to buy multiple copies of the same thing, if it fixes the previous problem. |
| [15:43:01] | sphery: | after all, to use a computer, one should become an expert in compilation and requirements and quirks of every single one of the hundreds of packages required to create a working distribution... |
| [15:43:21] | sphery: | (and every single version he ever uses of each of those packages) |
| [15:43:34] | darkstarbyte: | No, that would take way to long, the children want on now. |
| [15:43:43] | sphery: | anyway, my point is you shouldn't be messing with march/cpu/tune type stuff with mythtv |
| [15:43:51] | sphery: | if you use --enable-proc-opt, it will do the right thing |
| [15:44:13] | darkstarbyte: | Did I say mythtv, I meant everything else, usually. |
| [15:44:19] | sphery: | (unless, of course, you're using an ancient/broken/poorly-supported-by-the-build-tools architecture, like the Via C3) |
| [15:44:59] | darkstarbyte: | I compile wine with optimizations, because it really needs them. |
| [15:45:32] | sphery: | again, "with mythtv" |
| [15:45:42] | sphery: | feel free to compile your other programs how you like |
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| [15:46:24] | sphery: | and, really, if MythTV's configure option --enable-proc-opt doesn't do the right thing, you can at least submit a patch (to us, or more likely ffmpeg) to fix it for everyone |
| [15:46:29] | darkstarbyte: | Pentium 4 architecture is kind of broken, and needs a certain optimization to fix its branching problem. |
| [15:46:38] | darkstarbyte: | Maybe that was the pentium pro. |
| [15:47:11] | wagnerrp: | the P4's branching problem is that the pipeline is far too long for its instruction decoder |
| [15:48:01] | sphery: | but it allows me to get it up to 3.04GHz! |
| [15:48:20] | darkstarbyte: | I have one that goes up to 3.6 Ghz |
| [15:48:31] | darkstarbyte: | stock clock. |
| [15:48:53] | wagnerrp: | and due to pipeline stalls, it's outperformed by a modern chip at half the clock rate |
| [15:48:54] | darkstarbyte: | Damn, does that thing get hot. |
| [15:49:21] | darkstarbyte: | I know the pentium 3 can outperform the pentium 4 at half the clock. |
| [15:49:35] | darkstarbyte: | Don't know why, but it does. |
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| [15:50:13] | wagnerrp: | because the frontend is well fitted to the pipeline |
| [15:50:48] | darkstarbyte: | Though I have never been able to get one to a stable 1.53GHZ, so it can't out perform this machine. |
| [15:51:10] | wagnerrp: | for the P4, intel ignored everything but that pipeline length, in the effort to crank up clock rate |
| [15:51:26] | wagnerrp: | and as a result, the netburst architecture was an abysmal failure |
| [15:52:00] | sphery: | if only there were Core 2 or Core i processors that learned the "clock isn't everything" lessons from P4 and actually improve upon P3 design and run at good speeds... |
| [15:52:03] | sphery: | ;) |
| [15:52:08] | wagnerrp: | they actually sold P3 branded chips all the way up to 1.4GHz |
| [15:52:23] | sphery: | (yes, I know I skipped Core architecture--because it wasn't good :) |
| [15:52:30] | wagnerrp: | but beyond that, the P3 architecture went mobile and turned into the Pentium M |
| [15:52:35] | darkstarbyte: | Yeah, but getting one is the problem. |
| [15:52:43] | wagnerrp: | the first Core was the last iteration of the old P3 |
| [15:53:16] | darkstarbyte: | I have a functional pentium 3 clocked at 1Ghz, but I can't ever find one faster. |
| [15:53:22] | sphery: | yeah, but it had some problems because they didn't have enough time to plan it properly |
| [15:53:27] | sphery: | they worked those out in Core 2 |
| [15:53:38] | sphery: | just saying it's not nearly as good as Core 2 |
| [15:53:53] | darkstarbyte: | they have dual core pentium 3's |
| [15:53:56] | wagnerrp: | well no, but it was also a 10yr old architecture at that point |
| [15:54:00] | sphery: | yeah |
| [15:54:10] | wagnerrp: | yes, the Core Duo is effectively a dual core P3 |
| [15:54:11] | sphery: | they didn't do 64-bit Core, either, did they? |
| [15:54:18] | wagnerrp: | nope, 32-bit |
| [15:54:26] | sphery: | yeah, another reason to stay away from Core |
| [15:54:46] | sphery: | yes, and Core 2 isn't the same as Core Duo |
| [15:55:11] | sphery: | Core 2 Duo would be dual-core Core 2 |
| [15:55:29] | sphery: | anyway, Intel's current proc's are good ones |
| [15:55:34] | sphery: | and very capable |
| [15:55:49] | sphery: | (to the point where you don't have to squeeze every ounce of performance out of them for most tasks :) |
| [15:57:10] | darkstarbyte: | I wonder if the next generation of Intel architecture is going to suck? |
| [15:57:25] | darkstarbyte: | It seems to be a pattern here. |
| [15:57:31] | sphery: | hehe |
| [15:58:01] | wagnerrp: | pattern? |
| [15:58:07] | darkstarbyte: | Kind of like how Every other Windows version loses the company $1 Billions dollars. |
| [15:58:21] | wagnerrp: | theyve got enough suckage in the Atom to last them a long time |
| [15:58:41] | sphery: | unless AMD does some serious improvements with their next gen, there may not be a next gen Intel ;) |
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| [15:59:21] | darkstarbyte: | Their eight core can barely keep up with the 6 core intel processor. |
| [15:59:24] | sphery: | (meaning why should Intel worry if AMD isn't pushing them) |
| [15:59:47] | sphery: | I'm hearing good things about the AMD next gen--and holding out hope--but it's still a long ways off |
| [16:00:15] | sphery: | meaning that today's "good things" may be mediocre by release |
| [16:00:51] | darkstarbyte: | Just if amd had will to spend money like Intel. |
| [16:01:09] | sphery: | and had the money it needs to spend, too :) |
| [16:02:02] | darkstarbyte: | They could get a company on the side for this, like ati. |
| [16:02:43] | darkstarbyte: | That is another one, that demands a lot of money, is it not? |
| [16:03:36] | EvilGuru: | darkstarbyte: ATI == AMD now |
| [16:03:47] | darkstarbyte: | That is what I was getting at. |
| [16:04:21] | EvilGuru: | Intel commands most of the GPU market, it is far smaller than the CPU market |
| [16:04:45] | EvilGuru: | Nvidia pull in a bit from GPGPU sales and embedded operations net quite a bit |
| [16:04:51] | darkstarbyte: | Intels gpus could be decent with the right software. |
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| [16:05:01] | EvilGuru: | But consumer GPUs are easily 50% to Intel |
| [16:05:11] | wagnerrp: | intel GPUs just dont have the power |
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| [16:05:18] | wagnerrp: | software isnt going to make any difference |
| [16:05:27] | darkstarbyte: | Their Drivers are SHIT! |
| [16:05:47] | darkstarbyte: | Every platform that uses them, has crappy drivers. |
| [16:06:01] | darkstarbyte: | The GPU it self sucks also |
| [16:06:05] | wagnerrp: | they wont even write their drivers |
| [16:06:07] | wagnerrp: | *dont |
| [16:07:14] | darkstarbyte: | Some of their cpus are nice, though. |
| [16:07:44] | darkstarbyte: | Like the pentium 3, core duo, and the i7 |
| [16:08:09] | darkstarbyte: | Half of everything they release is nice. |
| [16:08:13] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: If it can decode HD video and run the fancy Windows compositing effects it is good enough for 80% of users |
| [16:08:54] | wagnerrp: | pretty much |
| [16:09:04] | darkstarbyte: | exactly. |
| [16:09:15] | darkstarbyte: | Sorry for getting us so wildly off the topic of the channel. |
| [16:10:35] | Sharky112065: | Is there some documentaton that explaines how to setup mythtv to automatically compress recorded shows to file size (and keep quality similar)? |
| [16:10:55] | darkstarbyte: | transcode? |
| [16:11:01] | Sharky112065: | Compress to make the filesize smaller. |
| [16:11:16] | darkstarbyte: | transcode. |
| [16:11:29] | darkstarbyte: | or I guess you can use a rar. |
| [16:11:35] | wagnerrp: | erm.... no |
| [16:11:36] | Sharky112065: | I must not know how to use mythtranscode properly from wihtin mythtv because I set it to medium and the file is not smaller |
| [16:11:38] | darkstarbyte: | It won't get to much smaller for this. |
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| [16:11:59] | wagnerrp: | lossless compressors generally dont do much for media files |
| [16:12:06] | wagnerrp: | entropy is too high |
| [16:12:08] | darkstarbyte: | exactly. |
| [16:12:16] | wagnerrp: | Sharky112065: what source? |
| [16:12:30] | sphery: | Sharky112065: the recording is already compressed well (that's what MPEG encoding is all about) |
| [16:12:45] | Sharky112065: | Source would be t he mpg files (HDHOMERUN/Ceton) |
| [16:12:57] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: I remember some years ago cutting ~15% off of a theora + vorbis video filees with LZMA; I lost a lot of respect for theora that day |
| [16:13:01] | wagnerrp: | mark the commercials, do a "lossless transcode" |
| [16:13:27] | sphery: | Sharky112065: generally, if you want it compressed more, you'd have to go to a different and more-efficient CODEC, but that won't give you a lot of space savings--especially compared to the amount of work (and electricity) used for transcoding |
| [16:13:32] | Sharky112065: | commercial detection is so so, kinda dont want to rely on that to make files smaller |
| [16:13:49] | wagnerrp: | clip the commercials out, convert it to a PS, cuts about 30–35% of the file size |
| [16:13:56] | sphery: | Sharky112065: best way to get space savings is to reduce bitrate (which means reduce quality--and may also require reducing resolution) |
| [16:14:05] | wagnerrp: | im not saying use the commercial flagging, im saying mark the commercials |
| [16:14:09] | sphery: | but since HDDs are cheap, more HDDs are the best solution :) |
| [16:14:22] | Sharky112065: | I used to use SageTV and there was an option to compress the recordings. It made the file sizes smaller and I really could not tell the difference in video quality from my distance to the tv |
| [16:14:44] | darkstarbyte: | cut the commercials |
| [16:14:53] | sphery: | and, yeah, clipping out the 1/3 of the show that's commercials can get you a nice 1/3 space savings with no loss of quality (for the MPEG-2 lossless decoder) |
| [16:14:53] | darkstarbyte: | that solves a lot of problems. |
| [16:15:53] | darkstarbyte: | If you really want smaller, I would say you can get a hardware h.264 encoder. |
| [16:16:11] | Sharky112065: | So basically there is no suported option to do this? and no-one really cares about compressing video files? |
| [16:16:12] | darkstarbyte: | That should half the size. |
| [16:16:30] | darkstarbyte: | I know of one way |
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| [16:17:13] | sphery: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245 = 2TB for $99.99 (after EMCNCHF23 promo code) = ~300hrs of 15Mb/s video |
| [16:17:37] | darkstarbyte: | ffmpeg -i file.mpg -acodec libfaac -ab 128k -vcodec libx264 -crf 20 -preset veryslow -profile high -o output.mkv |
| [16:18:12] | darkstarbyte: | Better have a fast computer |
| [16:18:14] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: are you sure theres not actually an encoding option for that? |
| [16:18:15] | Sharky112065: | I already have 17 TB of disk space. I'm thinking about long term storage of shows here. I do not want to keep throwing more hardware at it. |
| [16:18:39] | wagnerrp: | H264 has two lossless entropy compressors, cavlc and cabac |
| [16:18:57] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: The settings, IIRC, were defaults |
| [16:18:58] | wagnerrp: | cavlc is about 50% faster, cabac is about 30% more space efficient |
| [16:18:59] | darkstarbyte: | Do not use lossless in h.264, if you want much smaller files. |
| [16:19:07] | sphery: | Sharky112065: in general, transcoding is a complex problem to solve and there are programs that do nothing more than help with transcoding, so my recommendation is to use an external tool for transcoding |
| [16:19:17] | wagnerrp: | Sharky112065: what CPU do you have? |
| [16:19:25] | sphery: | MythTV's main focus is letting you do some "basic" transcoding to clip out commercials |
| [16:19:25] | darkstarbyte: | yeah |
| [16:19:31] | sphery: | i.e. check out HandBrake |
| [16:19:35] | Sharky112065: | 8 core amd |
| [16:19:47] | darkstarbyte: | That would work nicely with my option |
| [16:19:52] | wagnerrp: | youve got a magnycours opteron? |
| [16:20:06] | wagnerrp: | with a filler chip on the other socket? |
| [16:20:08] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Could be one of the newer 'semi-8-core' chips |
| [16:20:19] | Sharky112065: | no, I posted what I had to you a few days ago wagnerrp, sec ill look it up again |
| [16:20:22] | darkstarbyte: | Could be bulldozer. |
| [16:20:35] | wagnerrp: | meaning... a four-module bulldozer |
| [16:20:47] | darkstarbyte: | yeah, and? |
| [16:20:51] | wagnerrp: | and more importantly, that four module CPU is only going to have four FP units |
| [16:21:01] | wagnerrp: | with video encoding being primarily FP math |
| [16:21:11] | darkstarbyte: | and? |
| [16:21:22] | EvilGuru: | darkstarbyte: It acts more like a four core chip |
| [16:21:28] | darkstarbyte: | yes it does |
| [16:21:33] | Sharky112065: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103960 |
| [16:21:41] | EvilGuru: | Better than hyperthreading, but not like having 8 distinct cores |
| [16:21:44] | darkstarbyte: | consider that it can barely keep up with the i7 |
| [16:22:16] | wagnerrp: | in other words, its going to be a power hungry chip, with little better performance than a quadcore STARS core (PhenomII) |
| [16:22:47] | darkstarbyte: | My option works great also. |
| [16:23:13] | wagnerrp: | if you try to transcode your recordings on that, you're going to be well behind the curve on the cost of power consumption, versus just buying more hard drives and letting the system go into standby during that time |
| [16:23:54] | wagnerrp: | in other words, buying hard drives is the cheaper option |
| [16:24:22] | Sharky112065: | Lol, you made me laugh |
| [16:24:26] | darkstarbyte: | If he does not want to, then he has the option of ffmpeg |
| [16:24:47] | Sharky112065: | I was doing this just fine on a quad core computer running windows 7 and SageTV just fine. |
| [16:25:11] | EvilGuru: | Sharky112065: Who pays the electricity bill? |
| [16:25:22] | Sharky112065: | Now I have better hardware and have swithched to MythTV and am being told that it will cost me too much in electricity and I should just buy bigger/more hard drives |
| [16:25:35] | Sharky112065: | I do and electricity here is cheap |
| [16:25:51] | darkstarbyte: | Sharky112065, try the ffmpeg option, the handbrake option, or their crap. |
| [16:26:43] | sphery: | have any of you guys seen anything on how the TDP of those "fusion" processors compares to that of the pre-fusion processors... Meaning I've been getting 65W or less AMD procs on mobos with integrated video, but getting comparable CPU speed from fusion requires going up to a 95W TDP, but I'd think the GPU portion would need to "reserve" a large part of that TDP... |
| [16:26:46] | Sharky112065: | I found a script that will do it in h.264, but it is disapointing that there has been no development in mythtv for native compresssion and seems that there is no interest in it for the future. really disapointing |
| [16:26:47] | darkstarbyte: | You should be able to encode at about 40fps |
| [16:27:29] | darkstarbyte: | or 60fps with slow instead of very slow. |
| [16:27:55] | Sharky112065: | darkstarbyte: I got it.. process outside of mythtv. |
| [16:28:04] | Sharky112065: | just really disapointing |
| [16:28:42] | darkstarbyte: | idealistically the machine recording should not be the machine encoding. |
| [16:28:48] | ** sphery doesn't understand why it's disappointing to be told, "Use a program specifically designed for transcoding to transcode" ** | |
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| [16:28:56] | sphery: | why wouldn't you want to use the right tool for the job |
| [16:29:23] | darkstarbyte: | He wants a multi-tool |
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| [16:29:38] | sphery: | I'm guessing you like EMACS, too--one of those users who doesn't realize that a text editor is not the right place to house an operating system |
| [16:29:39] | Sharky112065: | sphery: because not everyone is a script writing master. The basic functionality should be in MythTV imo |
| [16:29:54] | sphery: | Sharky112065: handbrake is interactive |
| [16:30:01] | sphery: | you don't need scripts |
| [16:30:05] | sphery: | just point and click |
| [16:30:27] | darkstarbyte: | I can give you one of my video scripts for encoding. |
| [16:30:45] | sphery: | FWIW, http://handbrake.fr/ |
| [16:30:52] | darkstarbyte: | Are you doing cartoons also? |
| [16:30:58] | Sharky112065: | And that will automagically know which file is which in the database, and update the database correctly so when I want to view a series a year or two down the line it will jsut work within mythtv? |
| [16:32:00] | darkstarbyte: | I guess I could make a script that will separate the files into directories, but that takes a long time. |
| [16:32:42] | sphery: | ideally, if you're modifying original recordings (beyond commercial cutting inside MythTV), you would actually move them to a) a well-named file that describes the series/episode information and b) place it in the Video Library component, which is designed for long-term archival of video (as opposed to Watch Recordings, which is designed for short-term storage of recordings before watching and either deleting or archiving) |
| [16:33:14] | sphery: | so, once you decide to transcode it (meaning you're likely keeping it), you move it to Video Library for archival |
| [16:33:32] | sphery: | and that way, your file name now contains useful information that would allow you to identify the video even after loss of the MythTV database |
| [16:34:25] | Sharky112065: | Sigh.. Ok, I get it.. no interest in makeing it easy. Forget I brought it up. I guess there will never be Full Featured PVR software available to me. I though SageTV was it, but they sold to Google and did not have Ceton support. |
| [16:34:27] | sphery: | navigating/sorting/searching in Watch Recordings is very primitive compared to Video Library |
| [16:35:20] | sphery: | isn't this the new SageTV? http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3188845/google-fiber-tv |
| [16:36:33] | sphery: | of course, moving to Kansas City may be more work than you'd want to get a DVR you like |
| [16:41:04] | wagnerrp: | darkstarbyte: im not sure what the motion search settings are for "slow" or "very slow", but 40–60fps seems awfully optimistic |
| [16:41:28] | darkstarbyte: | My pentium 4 gets 5fps. |
| [16:41:37] | wagnerrp: | are you sure you're not confusing low bitrate DVD recompression with HD? |
| [16:41:41] | darkstarbyte: | so I am thinking 8 cores, 8 times faster. |
| [16:41:50] | darkstarbyte: | damn, I forgot. |
| [16:42:12] | darkstarbyte: | 10 at the worst? |
| [16:42:23] | wagnerrp: | i would expect a 3GHz P4 to do 5–10fps recompressing a DVD to ~1.5–2Mbps |
| [16:42:31] | darkstarbyte: | Rarely do I encode HD. |
| [16:42:46] | Sharky112065: | Looks like this will work for me http://eternalvoid.net/tutorials/mythtv-autotranscode/ but at the risk of loosing a recording if the transcode fails. |
| [16:43:20] | wagnerrp: | last time i did HD, my (OCd) 2.75GHz Core2Duo managed a whopping 2fps ivtc/transcoding to 6Mbps 1080p24 |
| [16:43:22] | sphery: | you'll get the best space savings cutting commercials |
| [16:43:41] | Sharky112065: | Im tired of watching a series only to find that the next season it was cancled. So I wanted to record for a couple years and only watch the ones that made it beyond one year |
| [16:44:03] | sphery: | if you auto-transcode while applying cuts from commercial detection, you're risking loosing a lot of good video (commercial flagging is /not/ perfect) |
| [16:44:13] | Sharky112065: | sphery: that would be great if commercial detection always worked |
| [16:44:18] | wagnerrp: | looked great, couldnt tell the difference between the source and the result |
| [16:44:25] | wagnerrp: | decided right then and there it wasnt worth the time |
| [16:44:48] | sphery: | you'd probably be best off just doing record, edit (mark commercials), lossless transcode |
| [16:44:56] | sphery: | generall 1/3 space savings right there |
| [16:45:10] | sphery: | it's not 100% automatic, but it's as precise/perfect as you want to make it |
| [16:45:30] | sphery: | meaning you never lose important stuff because you couldn't be bothered to spend 30s editing the recording |
| [16:45:41] | wagnerrp: | so say an FX-8150, better FPU, twice the FPUs, an extra GHz... i might see 8–10fps |
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| [16:46:12] | sphery: | and if that's too much work, HDDs are cheap, so to increase available storage space, rather than reducing the space of recordings you plan to watch but not archive, just add a drive or 2 |
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| [16:47:19] | sphery: | Sharky112065: fwiw, I record every episode of every new series each year (except reality), then generally never watch anything until the season ends so I can find out if the show was cancelled and/or whether people say it's good before deciding whether to record |
| [16:47:28] | sphery: | Sharky112065: and I don't ever transcode |
| [16:47:55] | sphery: | I still have some series that are >3 or 4 seasons in that I haven't started, too |
| [16:48:23] | sphery: | complete in their HDTV MPEG-2 ~15Mbps goodness, with all their commercials wasting space |
| [16:49:24] | darkstarbyte: | How can mythtv tell commercials apart from tv? |
| [16:49:46] | Sharky112065: | Ill just have to see how much space next fall's season takes up. Hopefully 17TB will be enough |
| [16:49:54] | sphery: | detector uses various methods from blank frame detection to scene change detection to logo detection |
| [16:50:05] | sphery: | Sharky112065: I have /much/ less than 17TB |
| [16:50:17] | Sharky112065: | OK, then I should be ok |
| [16:50:25] | sphery: | (then again, I don't archive anything--since I live in a country where fair use allows time shifting, but not permanent archival) |
| [16:50:55] | sphery: | I watch and delete everything (and if it's worth "owning", I buy it on DVD) |
| [16:50:57] | darkstarbyte: | I suppose you can burn some of the shit to dvd. |
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| [16:51:20] | sphery: | and even if that were legal for me to do, here in the US, I wouldn't because it is garbage |
| [16:51:25] | sphery: | corrupted by station logos |
| [16:51:34] | sphery: | and news/weather tickers and interruptions |
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| [16:51:39] | sphery: | and bugs/ads |
| [16:52:02] | sphery: | whereas buying the season on DVD gets me good video without the garbage |
| [16:52:10] | darkstarbyte: | true |
| [16:52:24] | wagnerrp: | darkstarbyte: hard drives are __MUCH__ cheaper than DVDs |
| [16:52:38] | sphery: | oh, and the TV ratings logos, too :) |
| [16:52:54] | Sharky112065: | OK, so if I am low on space next year, Ill just throw 8 more drives at it. |
| [16:53:17] | darkstarbyte: | delete or convert it are options to. |
| [16:53:26] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:54:12] | darkstarbyte: | Or use 180 gigabytes of space on your 1.5 terabyte hard drive, like me. |
| [16:54:12] | sphery: | but once you decide to keep it long term, I highly recommend Video Library |
| [16:54:32] | wagnerrp: | just the one drive? no separate one for OS and database? |
| [16:54:48] | lautriv: | hi, on my master-backend i have a HVR4000 and a HVR4000-lite using this firmware -> dvb-fe-cx24116–1.26.90.0.fw . in the last days, it won't sometimes bring up both adaptors and dmesg complains about a possible wrong tuner resp. firmware-bug. is there a.) a newer firmware b.) another bug known in 0.25 ? |
| [16:54:53] | darkstarbyte: | wagnerrp, I only need one drive. |
| [16:55:47] | wagnerrp: | for reasons of IO throughput, not storage capacity |
| [16:56:07] | wagnerrp: | with just the one tuner, it likely isnt going to be a big issue |
| [16:56:10] | sphery: | Sharky112065: fwiw, I have about 13TB--and I only just put back 3.5TB I had removed (one borrowed drive and one "failed" HDD that unfailed when I was testing it :( ) |
| [16:56:37] | wagnerrp: | if you start expanding, that's going to be one of the first things you'll want to do |
| [16:56:55] | sphery: | it had bad sectors, then after running the seagate "fix bad sectors", it's no longer showing bad sectors... though I don't trust it as much as I'd like, I wanted the space for Olympics |
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| [16:57:30] | darkstarbyte: | Do make the mistake of branding your file names. |
| [16:57:41] | wagnerrp: | branding? |
| [16:57:57] | darkstarbyte: | sphery, you had the same idea about the olympics, just a lot earlier. |
| [16:58:17] | darkstarbyte: | As in adding tags with you encoding scripts, or copy scripts. |
| [16:58:24] | darkstarbyte: | your* |
| [16:58:42] | sphery: | at which point you definitely want to move them to Video Library |
| [16:59:10] | wagnerrp: | if you want special filenames for recordings, use mythlink.pl to make symlinks |
| [16:59:13] | wagnerrp: | dont rename them |
| [16:59:14] | darkstarbyte: | is someone going to help lautriv? |
| [16:59:20] | sphery: | but, yeah, I agree that anything you're keeping long term should encode some file information in the file name--which is why I'm such a proponent of Video Library (where you organize and name files as you like) for archival |
| [16:59:39] | wagnerrp: | darkstarbyte: everyone here is a north american user |
| [16:59:57] | wagnerrp: | HVR-4000 is a DVB tuner, so none of us have any experience with it |
| [17:00:15] | wagnerrp: | DVB-T/S/S2... meaning european, or potentially australian |
| [17:00:27] | wagnerrp: | well... signon says german |
| [17:01:28] | darkstarbyte: | I wish mythtv would rename the files with its file information. |
| [17:01:32] | darkstarbyte: | something like |
| [17:01:44] | lautriv: | yes, german and dvb-S2 but i wonder more why it worked painless in the past and got worse since kernel3.x/myth-0.25 |
| [17:01:46] | wagnerrp: | thats what mythlink.pl is for |
| [17:02:04] | wagnerrp: | make any number of symlinks to those recordings, with assorted formatting |
| [17:02:23] | Sharky112065: | sphery: and no that google TV/fiber is not SageTV. Google bought it and might have pulled/used some of the code, but they basically are just sitting on sagetv and doing nothing with it. |
| [17:02:25] | darkstarbyte: | ~/$SERIES/$SEASON/00??-name of the episode |
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| [17:03:14] | darkstarbyte: | or |
| [17:03:15] | wagnerrp: | sphery: did mythlink ever get updated for season and episode tags? |
| [17:03:24] | darkstarbyte: | ~/$SERIES/$SEASON/00??-$EPISODENAME |
| [17:03:28] | wagnerrp: | darkstarbyte: recordings generally do not have such information |
| [17:03:35] | darkstarbyte: | oh |
| [17:03:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, but we could do that |
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| [17:03:52] | wagnerrp: | those have to be pulled after the fact using the metadata scripts, and are not provided by the EPG data |
| [17:06:05] | darkstarbyte: | I am going to start the frontend, be right back |
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| [17:12:11] | darkstarbyte: | I hope this disk has enough space for the next recording of the olympics before I have to migrate the video over to my external disk. |
| [17:12:41] | wagnerrp: | estimate 6–7GB/hr for HD recordings |
| [17:12:51] | wagnerrp: | you said you have 180GB free? or 180GB used? |
| [17:12:59] | darkstarbyte: | This just won't be enough. |
| [17:13:05] | lautriv: | ok, another more generic question. i did a split of a slave-backend into 2 boxes due to performance-reasons and redundancy. one took place instead the former slave (fqdn/IP and such ) the other was created new (cloned/changed fqdn/IP). but the second slave won't appear in the connection-list of the status. hints ? |
| [17:13:22] | darkstarbyte: | I have to migrate the video over to my external disk, this computer just does not have a large hard drive. |
| [17:13:41] | wagnerrp: | lautriv: explain what you did a little better? |
| [17:14:02] | wagnerrp: | you cloned the boot disk, gave it a new hostname/IP, and then set it up as a slave backend from scratch? |
| [17:14:53] | darkstarbyte: | Time to start trashing shit. |
| [17:15:04] | wagnerrp: | darkstarbyte: why not make the external disk internal? mythtv is not designed to handle missing recordings well |
| [17:15:41] | darkstarbyte: | Is their a way to tell mythtv, if this disk is full move to the next? |
| [17:16:00] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, i cloned the whole OS, changed the required parts and told master's mysql to grant privileges for this one. i have sql-entries for this box but it's not shown in status . |
| [17:16:21] | wagnerrp: | make both disks available to the system, define directories on both disks to the storage group you are recording to |
| [17:16:34] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will balance between them |
| [17:16:50] | darkstarbyte: | Please don't say it is in the setup. |
| [17:16:54] | wagnerrp: | by default, it balances on IO load first, free space second |
| [17:17:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mythtv-setup, storage directories |
| [17:17:15] | wagnerrp: | just add a second directory to the Default group |
| [17:17:22] | darkstarbyte: | that would mean I have to stop my recording, I guess I will have to catch the re run |
| [17:17:31] | wagnerrp: | lautriv: have you restarted the master backend? |
| [17:17:51] | wagnerrp: | darkstarbyte: you can run mythtv-setup and add the directory while mythbackend is still running |
| [17:18:07] | wagnerrp: | however i believe the backend needs to be restarted to be made aware of the new directory |
| [17:18:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: actually, new installs will by default balance on free space, only |
| [17:18:29] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, of course. i have to restart often these days because some strange messages about bad strings. |
| [17:18:30] | sphery: | only "legacy" installs use combination by default |
| [17:18:31] | wagnerrp: | oh, combined isnt the default? |
| [17:18:33] | darkstarbyte: | which will stop my olympics recording. |
| [17:18:39] | sphery: | not for new installs :) |
| [17:18:58] | sphery: | but it is for people who installed before storage groups :) |
| [17:19:10] | wagnerrp: | lautriv: something about a connection timeout? bad response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION? |
| [17:19:25] | darkstarbyte: | Would I change the Videos directory? |
| [17:19:36] | wagnerrp: | the Videos group is for the video library, not recordings |
| [17:19:51] | darkstarbyte: | What is for recordings? |
| [17:20:11] | lautriv: | darkstarbyte, live and/or default |
| [17:20:17] | wagnerrp: | Default is the default group for recordings, LiveTV will be used for live tv if defined (else it goes to default) |
| [17:20:31] | wagnerrp: | or you can define any other name you want, and specify that recording rules record there |
| [17:20:46] | darkstarbyte: | I could stop my other recordings, that should fix the problem until I can return. |
| [17:20:49] | sphery: | lautriv: check a) your $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml and every mysql.txt file on the system and b) verify you've set proper (routable, not 127.0.0.1 or similar) IP addresses (as IP addresses) for master server and "this backend" IP addresses |
| [17:21:17] | wagnerrp: | you can move content manually onto the new recording directory |
| [17:21:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will find them again once it is restarted and knows about the directory |
| [17:22:00] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt keep track of where the recordings are, just the hostname and storage group |
| [17:22:16] | wagnerrp: | so as long as it is somewhere on that host, in a directory defined for that storage group, it can access it |
| [17:22:49] | darkstarbyte: | I have 5 hours of college coming up soon, so I guess I will just cancel the big bang theory. |
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| [17:23:40] | darkstarbyte: | you said to expect 5Gb/hour? |
| [17:23:49] | wagnerrp: | 5 is a bit low |
| [17:23:52] | wagnerrp: | 6–7 is more common |
| [17:23:53] | sphery: | I estimate as 6.5GB/hr |
| [17:24:12] | sphery: | which basically covers my highest-bitrate channel |
| [17:24:31] | wagnerrp: | 5GB/hr is only 11.3Mbps, ATSC is capable of 19.4Mbps per frequency |
| [17:24:41] | darkstarbyte: | this 1080p video is 12000k per second. |
| [17:24:47] | darkstarbyte: | I will pull out the calculator. |
| [17:24:59] | sphery: | 12000kbps = 12Mbps |
| [17:25:05] | darkstarbyte: | 12500k is closer |
| [17:25:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, use the calculator, as anything defined in the stream is just an arbitrary tag set by the encoder |
| [17:25:13] | sphery: | which is just over 5GB/hr |
| [17:25:15] | darkstarbyte: | commercials do this. |
| [17:25:24] | sphery: | 15Mbps is 6GiB/hr |
| [17:25:33] | sphery: | (and, really, I estimate 6.5GiB/hr) |
| [17:25:49] | darkstarbyte: | 45.5 gigabytes. |
| [17:26:10] | wagnerrp: | figure out of that 19.4Mbps available, there's going to be some lost to padding, some small amount of text data, and then the rest is shared by whatever channels come in on that multiplex |
| [17:26:15] | sphery: | OK, 15Mbps = 6.29GiB/hr |
| [17:26:29] | wagnerrp: | PBS stations usually have 4–6 channels per mux, so their bitrates are going to be much lower |
| [17:26:49] | sphery: | where are you getting 1080p? |
| [17:26:59] | wagnerrp: | major networks generally just have a standard definition weather or news channel, maybe 2–5Mbps |
| [17:27:01] | darkstarbyte: | ffprobe |
| [17:27:08] | sphery: | I mean source of broadcast? |
| [17:27:14] | darkstarbyte: | it just does say 1080 I suppose. |
| [17:27:25] | wagnerrp: | ATSC *can* carry 1080p, its in the spec |
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| [17:27:30] | wagnerrp: | but ive never heard of anyone actually using it |
| [17:27:41] | darkstarbyte: | Let me pull up the channel |
| [17:27:42] | sphery: | I'm just wondering since I hadn't heard of any broadcasters (terrestrial or cable/satellite) using 1080p |
| [17:27:51] | sphery: | closest is telecined 1080i |
| [17:28:14] | sphery: | yeah, 1080p24/30 is allowed |
| [17:28:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but you're not going to do telecining on high motion sources |
| [17:28:20] | sphery: | true |
| [17:28:21] | darkstarbyte: | kpvi-hd idaho falls idaho. |
| [17:28:49] | ** wagnerrp turns on NBC to see what he gets ** | |
| [17:28:49] | darkstarbyte: | Maybe them. |
| [17:28:52] | lautriv: | Astra for Europe switched completely to DVB in 04/12 they do 1080p |
| [17:29:16] | sphery: | ah, yeah, I meant broadcasters in the US :) |
| [17:29:33] | sphery: | where we have "DVB wasn't invented here, so let's change it a bit and call it ATSC" |
| [17:29:47] | darkstarbyte: | 1080p or i I can't tell from the ffmpeg output |
| [17:29:48] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHHAAHAHA! |
| [17:30:03] | wagnerrp: | its the "XXX Summer Olympics" |
| [17:30:06] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:30:12] | darkstarbyte: | what? |
| [17:30:14] | wagnerrp: | i thought they held those in Las Vegas |
| [17:30:17] | darkstarbyte: | I would like to see that one. |
| [17:30:22] | sphery: | 30th... could have been written differently |
| [17:31:14] | wagnerrp: | does the "playback data" print out not list interlacing? |
| [17:31:27] | wagnerrp: | just says 1920x1080@29.907fps |
| [17:31:58] | darkstarbyte: | Stream #0.0[0x31]: Video: mpeg2video (Main), yuv420p, 1920x1080 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 19392 kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn, 59.94 tbc |
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| [17:33:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mine's interlaced |
| [17:33:12] | darkstarbyte: | higher than the duration says |
| [17:33:32] | darkstarbyte: | Duration: 02:31:56.07, start: 7203.747111, bitrate: 12353 kb/s |
| [17:33:36] | darkstarbyte: | explain this one. |
| [17:33:42] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [17:34:00] | darkstarbyte: | 19000kb from the Stream 0, but the total is 12000kb. |
| [17:34:43] | wagnerrp: | the whole transport stream is 19.4Mbps, thats the broadcast rate for ATSC |
| [17:34:50] | wagnerrp: | you're just pulling one channel out of that |
| [17:35:36] | darkstarbyte: | http://pastebin.com/K4bpD50X |
| [17:36:01] | sphery: | plus it's variable bitrate, right? |
| [17:36:07] | darkstarbyte: | yeah |
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| [17:36:39] | darkstarbyte: | I also can't tell if it is interlaced. |
| [17:36:50] | sphery: | pretty sure the "Duration" line's bitrate is computed based on file size and duration |
| [17:36:59] | darkstarbyte: | oh |
| [17:37:05] | sphery: | whereas the stream's is max allowed in vbr |
| [17:37:17] | sphery: | so duration line's is an average |
| [17:38:11] | wagnerrp: | darkstarbyte: as a counter... http://pastebin.com/vJWC0zpj |
| [17:38:11] | darkstarbyte: | I am thinking this is 1080p. |
| [17:38:38] | sphery: | darkstarbyte: 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn, 59.94 tbc implies 1080i |
| [17:38:41] | wagnerrp: | the encoder is set to 24Mbps max, but thats simply never possible, since it would exceed the ATSC limits |
| [17:38:43] | sphery: | which makes sense for sports |
| [17:38:58] | sphery: | as you need high temporal resolution more than you need high spatial resolution |
| [17:39:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: mine also shows 24Mbps max :) |
| [17:40:08] | sphery: | good thing they balance that out with some preferred setting or something |
| [17:40:49] | darkstarbyte: | I can't tell if that channel is repeating the olympics, or if the second showing is more stuff. |
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| [17:42:43] | lautriv: | bbl |
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| [17:43:08] | darkstarbyte: | I have to go soon, also. |
| [17:44:55] | darkstarbyte: | I am not leaving though. |
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| [17:59:17] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, checked all settings, was configured proper. a new restart did it then. now i have channels from master and slave2 but slave1 say's not connected ? |
| [17:59:49] | wagnerrp: | when you cloned the slave off the host, you didn't clone the database as well, did you? |
| [18:00:11] | wagnerrp: | you correctly pointed the slave backend at the same database the master is using, rather than its own independent database? |
| [18:00:58] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, database is on the master, second slave was never pnline before it was proper configured so i could never ask like it where slave 1. also both listed. |
| [18:02:21] | lautriv: | i'll restart slave1 backend, maybe it as up before db but that should be handled. |
| [18:05:08] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, got all connected and not recording. but seriously if a component is unable to connect, it should do a retry. ( i don't remember such issues before 0.25) |
| [18:05:20] | wagnerrp: | it should, thats not what im saying |
| [18:05:34] | wagnerrp: | what im suggesting is that the master and slave are configured on two separate databases |
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| [18:06:09] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, that would lead to more conflicts. |
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| [18:06:38] | wagnerrp: | right, it would be a bad thing and things wouldnt work |
| [18:06:42] | wagnerrp: | just covering the basics |
| [18:08:26] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, btw i tested kexec and it is a fine thing if you run in trouble and need a fast restart ;) |
| [18:09:29] | sphery: | actually, if mysql server is down at start up, backends will just terminate and not try re-connecting |
| [18:10:02] | sphery: | if master backend is down at remote backend startup, but database is available, remote backend will start and continue trying to connect to master |
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| [18:10:30] | sphery: | so, basically, start scripts need to ensure database is available before starting backends |
| [18:10:50] | lautriv: | sphery, or retry. |
| [18:10:56] | sphery: | without the info in the database, the backend doesn't know how to start |
| [18:12:05] | lautriv: | that is a problem because it relies too much on a db, even when the basics are on local files. |
| [18:12:52] | sphery: | but it's easy enough to do a mysqladmin ping before starting up backends |
| [18:13:44] | sphery: | the only "basics" on the local file are the DB connection information and security pin for connecting to the backend |
| [18:15:25] | justdave: | I have one TV that mythfrontend doesn't seem to run on (it use to work and suddenly stopped). From looking at mythfrontend.log it looks like it's running fine, and I see it in the process list, but it never opens a window (on 0.25 fixes from the mythbuntu updates repo) |
| [18:16:14] | sphery: | justdave: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [18:16:43] | sphery: | justdave: if that works, then go into Setup under Appearance settings and change UI Painter to Qt |
| [18:17:14] | sphery: | if it doesn't work, use: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=opengl , then if that works, change UI Painter to Auto |
| [18:17:41] | sphery: | I'm guessing Qt will work and the problem is you have broken OpenGL drivers and/or broken OpenGL driver installation |
| [18:18:56] | justdave: | hmm, neither one of those seems to work |
| [18:19:39] | sphery: | OK, then I'll need to see logs from starting mythfrontend... please post to pastebin.com |
| [18:19:56] | sphery: | please start without any -O arguments |
| [18:23:33] | justdave: | http://pastebin.com/rN8xk7m3 |
| [18:23:54] | justdave: | that's the entirety after starting it |
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| [18:43:48] | sphery: | justdave: not sure what might be causing the issue... it's definitely not running, yet, by that point |
| [18:44:17] | sphery: | I think I've seen similar types of problems with seriously-borked installs that were missing the default themes that should always be there |
| [18:44:33] | sphery: | and maybe some other issues, but I don't remember any details |
| [18:45:39] | karl370: | I understand that the Rasberry Pi doesn't have enough RAM in order to run a frontend. Is anyone aware of a comparable product? I'd like to get something pretty small, yet capable of doing HDMI 1080P HD. |
| [18:46:11] | wagnerrp: | get a little mini-itx i3, M350, picopsu, and mount it to the back of your TV |
| [18:46:41] | wagnerrp: | that's about as small as you can get and functionally run mythfrontend |
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| [18:47:02] | wagnerrp: | similar options being a last-gen (nvidia) mac mini, or asrock vision |
| [18:47:42] | wagnerrp: | ION systems (Atom + nVidia graphics) are an option, but then you're restricted to the limits of hardware decoders |
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| [18:51:24] | karl370: | Great, thank you. The mini-itx is capable of doing HD? |
| [18:52:30] | wagnerrp: | miniitx is just a form factor for PC motherboards |
| [18:52:51] | wagnerrp: | its slightly larger than the rear IO panel on one side, square |
| [18:59:44] | karl370: | So then is it the i3 that does the video decoding? or do I need to look for a miniitx motherboard that has a specific video chip? |
| [19:00:48] | wagnerrp: | with an i3, youve got plenty of power for decoding whatever you want to watch in software |
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| [19:01:08] | wagnerrp: | and there's always the potential VAAPI will be functional in the future if you wish to go that route |
| [19:01:25] | wagnerrp: | with the Atoms, or something like the RPI, hardware decoding is the only option |
| [19:01:50] | wagnerrp: | Atoms can use VDPAU, when paired with an nVidia graphics chip, with the combination being known as an ION system |
| [19:02:05] | wagnerrp: | with RPI, you need openmax, which mythtv does not currently support |
| [19:02:38] | wagnerrp: | so even if you could get around the trouble of trying to run mythtv on a linux system with <200MB of memory available |
| [19:02:44] | wagnerrp: | you dont have the power to actually watch anything |
| [19:03:26] | wagnerrp: | with all hardware decoders, the capability of the decoder are statically set at the time the chip was designed |
| [19:03:59] | wagnerrp: | so there is always the risk that at some point you may want to use a format the chip was not designed to handle |
| [19:04:40] | wagnerrp: | so while many people do use ION systems with mythtv, the recommended system is still one with enough CPU power to perform software decoding |
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| [19:06:40] | karl370: | That makes perfect sense. I'd like to be able to play anything, so going the i3 route sounds like the choice for me. & that should be powerful enough to play without pauses? Also, how much ram should I get? |
| [19:07:06] | Seeker`: | all of it |
| [19:07:20] | Seeker`: | realistically, RAM is so cheap now |
| [19:07:34] | karl370: | Ok, so I'm max it out, whatever it is. |
| [19:07:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you dont need a lot of it, but there is no reason to build a computer with less than 4GB these days |
| [19:07:43] | Seeker`: | 4GB costs nothing |
| [19:07:43] | wagnerrp: | no, dont max it out |
| [19:07:48] | wagnerrp: | 8GB DIMMs are expensive |
| [19:07:52] | Seeker`: | all of it was a joke :P |
| [19:08:02] | karl370: | ok. |
| [19:08:33] | wagnerrp: | everything these days have at least dual channel controllers |
| [19:08:36] | Seeker`: | you should go for 2x2GB over 1x4GB |
| [19:08:38] | wagnerrp: | so you want at least two sticks |
| [19:08:38] | karl370: | I just wanted to make sure that I get at least what was recommened. thanks. |
| [19:09:34] | saintdev: | How do I add channels I've added in schedules direct? |
| [19:09:51] | wagnerrp: | looking on newegg right now, 2x1GB sticks are $17 ($8.5/stick), while 2x2GB are only $22 |
| [19:09:59] | saintdev: | I added a couple a few days ago, and mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates seemed to work. But yesterday I added a few more, and it isn't adding them to my lineup. |
| [19:10:22] | wagnerrp: | youre paying more for the board and packaging than you are for the memory at that point |
| [19:10:45] | wagnerrp: | saintdev: what kind of channels? |
| [19:12:01] | saintdev: | wagnerrp: what do you mean? OTA vs Cable? |
| [19:13:29] | wagnerrp: | from mythtv's standpoint, there are two types of channel, analog and digital |
| [19:13:58] | saintdev: | digital |
| [19:14:04] | wagnerrp: | analog is anything that just requires a single number, which includes the virtually mapped digital channels from external capture of a cable box or cablecard tuner |
| [19:14:22] | saintdev: | oh, then it would be analog :P |
| [19:14:24] | wagnerrp: | digital is anything where mythtv has to perform special filtering on the transport stream |
| [19:14:37] | wagnerrp: | so cablecard tuner, or analog capture? |
| [19:14:56] | saintdev: | cablecard tuner (Prime to be specific) |
| [19:15:03] | wagnerrp: | 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [19:15:09] | saintdev: | 0.25 |
| [19:15:23] | wagnerrp: | scratch that thought then.... |
| [19:15:31] | wagnerrp: | 0.24 had only partial support for the Prime |
| [19:15:50] | marc84384: | Hello group: I've a question regarding an issue I have happen when I scan the Video directory for new content. I'm using Myth 25 and I get an error message which says something to the effect of "Unable to scan SG Video Hosts" also, no artwork or info are loaded for the program descriptions. I've tried resarching a solution and have deleted all storage groups and entered them again. I've also run a mysql check with a -r. No reso |
| [19:16:02] | wagnerrp: | and one of the things missing was mythtv understanding that the channels were "analog", and that SD provided enough information with a lineup to tune |
| [19:16:45] | wagnerrp: | marc84384: it means you have a directory defined for the Videos storage group, on a host that is not currently accessible |
| [19:16:56] | wagnerrp: | it tried, and failed, to connect to the slave backend on that host |
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| [19:17:31] | marc84384: | Yes, apparently but I've never set up other hosts. Corrupted db? |
| [19:17:33] | wagnerrp: | note that in mythtv-setup, you can only edit directories on that specific host, not everywhere |
| [19:17:58] | marc84384: | Right |
| [19:18:34] | marc84384: | hmm... I wonder if I inadvertenty changed the host name mistakingly |
| [19:18:58] | wagnerrp: | open up mysql, SELECT * FROM storagegroup WHERE groupname="Videos"; |
| [19:19:09] | marc84384: | I will |
| [19:20:05] | marc84384: | Also want to say that it does load them in from the right directory but the frontend requesting the update usually acts erraticly until it eventually segfaults. Not necessarily on the backend. |
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| [19:37:53] | marc84384: | wagnerrp: The result is as it should be |
| [19:38:36] | marc84384: | Correct name is used in the DB for the host machine |
| [19:39:08] | marc84384: | How can I query a listing of all storage groups? Ah.. another *? |
| [19:40:16] | marc84384: | I'd like to see that all are the same and correct rather than manually typing each |
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| [19:40:40] | wagnerrp: | just drop the WHERE clause entirely |
| [19:41:22] | marc84384: | On and interesting side... I do remember the error code having the server name is all lower case in the error code but my server is listed with uper and lower case... Hmm... I messed something up somewhere. |
| [19:42:12] | wagnerrp: | pretty should the code is set up to ignore hostname |
| [19:42:18] | wagnerrp: | erm... case in the hostname |
| [19:43:04] | marc84384: | ah, then that's a dead end for me |
| [19:44:05] | marc84384: | dropping the where on the query line did not give me a result I'll try again |
| [19:45:52] | marc84384: | OK it worked that time. Nope, everydirectory is correct and lists the right server host |
| [19:46:11] | marc84384: | Sweet lesson on the direct querry |
| [19:46:13] | marc84384: | thanks |
| [19:47:19] | marc84384: | Since I've eliminated that as a possible issue... I wonder what my next step should be... |
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| [19:55:04] | marc84384: | wagnerrp: I'll be back in a few... |
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| [20:15:25] | marc84384: | wagnerrp: Any other suggestions / ideas for me? |
| [20:16:23] | wagnerrp: | ill look through the code again, see if i missed something |
| [20:20:25] | marc84384: | Okiedoke Super thanks! |
| [20:20:56] | marc84384: | ;) |
| [20:21:20] | wagnerrp: | that whole scanner is going to get scrapped for 0.27 |
| [20:21:38] | wagnerrp: | wanted to do it for 0.26, but was waiting for some other things, ended up getting side tracked, and then ran out of time |
| [20:22:50] | marc84384: | Understandable It's a freaking huge project |
| [20:25:12] | Seeker`: | I think most things in mythtv are :P |
| [20:27:22] | marc84384: | It's huge man! |
| [20:27:36] | marc84384: | AHHH! |
| [20:27:44] | marc84384: | :D |
| [20:30:52] | karl370: | I'm using Directv & an HD-PVR. My receiver doesn't record. I got it that way on purpose so that I could use Myth for recording. However the newer directv dvr receivers have access to movies on demand & can record several shows at once (I think up to 5, using SWM). Two questions: Can Myth record multiple shows at once from one receiver? Is it possible/what's the best way of using Myth with another dvr? |
| [20:33:55] | wagnerrp: | no, dont |
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| [20:35:42] | wagnerrp: | ive actually never heard of any commercial DVR with more than three tuners, and most only have one, optionally with a second only for live tv |
| [20:36:40] | wagnerrp: | for example, Dish has been advertising their "Hopper" heavily, capable of recording six channels at once! |
| [20:36:46] | wagnerrp: | which is (almost) a bold faced lie |
| [20:37:26] | karl370: | Oh really? It was a friend of mine who was telling me about the 5 channel recording...I hadn't actually seen it. |
| [20:37:46] | wagnerrp: | it only has three tuners, but one of them can be slaved into a special station upon which Dish transmits all of the major broadcast networks |
| [20:38:10] | wagnerrp: | meaning you can record all of them simultaneously with one tuner, in the same fashion as mythtv's multirec |
| [20:39:49] | wagnerrp: | but between multiple satellites, each with two polarizations, each with those several dozen frequencies, you cant just record any 5 or 6 of them simultaneously |
| [20:40:36] | karl370: | I see. So you can record 5 or 6, but they have to be the channels that they are multiplexing? |
| [20:40:37] | wagnerrp: | as far as mythtv using any sort of menu interface on another system |
| [20:40:55] | wagnerrp: | there is no way for mythtv to understand any part of their custom menu system |
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| [20:41:53] | wagnerrp: | everything would have to be done manually by the user, which due to mythtv's playback delay would be painful |
| [20:43:19] | karl370: | So does that mean that with my system, with an hdpvr, it is only capable of recording one show at a time? |
| [20:43:19] | wagnerrp: | if the old directivos offered tivo's remote access, something workable could be designed for that |
| [20:43:39] | karl370: | ...So I need a 1 to 1, with receivers to hdprv's? |
| [20:43:56] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [20:44:47] | wagnerrp: | the only way you could do anything better would be to design some AI and machine vision system that understood how to work those 3rd party DVR's menu systems |
| [20:45:02] | wagnerrp: | they're designed for human access, not machine access |
| [20:46:36] | karl370: | Ok. So are you saying the multirec is for something like cable? & not for directv? |
| [20:47:02] | wagnerrp: | they all function nearly the same |
| [20:47:27] | wagnerrp: | they all send a digital transport stream, carrying multiple channels, on each frequency |
| [20:47:48] | wagnerrp: | and many DVB-S/S2 users make great use of multirec |
| [20:48:05] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that directv and dish are encrypted, meaning we have no access and are limited to capture from their hardware |
| [20:48:34] | wagnerrp: | and since their hardware outputs video, rather than MPEG data streams, multirec is not a technical possibility |
| [20:49:12] | karl370: | I see. |
| [20:49:23] | wagnerrp: | the same problem exists for cable |
| [20:49:31] | wagnerrp: | while we can use multirec on unencrypted cable |
| [20:49:56] | wagnerrp: | for anything encrypted, we are required to go through a cablecard tuner |
| [20:50:13] | wagnerrp: | and multirec-like capability is just simply not something offered by the cablecard spec |
| [20:50:34] | wagnerrp: | when its encrypted, we have no choice by to follow their rules |
| [20:53:28] | karl370: | Do you know if there are any PCI type cards that could go in the computer, that would accept an a DVB card? If so, would that somehow get access to the stream? |
| [20:54:03] | wagnerrp: | yes, there are PCI, PCIe, and USB DVB-S and DVB-S2 tuner cards |
| [20:54:17] | sphery: | AT&T has 4-tuner DVRs, DirecTV has 5-tuner, and someone was making a 6-tuner |
| [20:54:18] | wagnerrp: | and you could even use them to capture the broadcasts from Dish and Directv |
| [20:54:38] | wagnerrp: | but they're still encrypted, and there's no way around that |
| [20:54:51] | sphery: | Moxi makes the 6-tuner (used by WOW and a couple others) |
| [20:55:27] | wagnerrp: | these are just single endpoint units? not a multi-room unit? |
| [20:55:53] | sphery: | all of them that I know of have "any room" support |
| [20:56:16] | sphery: | so you get/rent players/frontends for each TV you want to watch on |
| [20:56:17] | wagnerrp: | dont know what that is |
| [20:56:34] | wagnerrp: | connected over ethernet/moca? |
| [20:56:35] | sphery: | but each is a single box with multiple tuners |
| [20:56:56] | sphery: | I'm guessing ethernet |
| [20:57:14] | sphery: | AT&T calls theirs U-Verse Total Home DVR |
| [20:57:32] | sphery: | http://uverseonline.att.net/uverse/thdvr |
| [20:57:43] | sphery: | • Play the same recorded show on different TVs at the same time and control them separately |
| [20:57:54] | sphery: | the 65hrs of HD content is pretty stingy, though |
| [20:58:00] | sphery: | with 4 tuners, you could fill that in a couple days |
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| [20:58:56] | karl370: | I have a couple receivers, in two rooms. One tv has myth with the single receiver & hdpvr. My other tv is using the directv dvr. I intend on setting it up as a frontend, but haven't squared away what I need yet. I have cat 6 connecting them tho. |
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| [21:00:00] | sphery: | DirecTV's 5-tuner is the HR34 DVR and is compatible with DirecTVs "Whole Home DVR service" |
| [21:01:07] | sphery: | hehe, DirecTV's: "To get MRV [Multi-Room Viewing], you need the following: (1) MRV-compatible receivers; (2) a single-wire multiswitch (SWM) or SWM dish; (3) DECA (DIRECTV Ethernet over Coax Adapter) at each compatible receiver, if the adapter is not already built-in." from http://www.weaknees.com/mrv/whole-home-dvr-faq.php |
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| [21:01:30] | sphery: | so, they're using the coax that's already strung up for the DirecTV receivers |
| [21:03:40] | wagnerrp: | huh... no wonder my NBC affiliate has poor bitrates |
| [21:03:47] | wagnerrp: | theyre spending 2Mbps on mobile |
| [21:04:02] | sphery: | atsc mobile? |
| [21:04:12] | wagnerrp: | ATSC-M/H |
| [21:04:20] | sphery: | didn't know anyone was pushing that out, yet |
| [21:04:36] | sphery: | wasn't that the atsc update that also allowed use of H.264? |
| [21:06:06] | sphery: | seems AT&T's using standard networking tech--even allowing 802.11n ( http://www.multichannel.com/article/475705-AT . . . _Set_Top.php ) |
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| [21:12:15] | lautriv: | why do i see "searching metadata" in queue even on brand new recordings ? |
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| [21:14:09] | karl370: | Is there an advantage to using PCI / PCIe / USB DVB-S / DVB-S2 tuner cards over a receiver? |
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| [21:14:38] | lautriv: | karl370, receiver as in ? |
| [21:14:54] | karl370: | directv receiver |
| [21:15:32] | [R]: | you acn't use a dvb card to get directv... |
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| [21:16:41] | karl370: | wagnerrp: I thought that was what wagnerrp just said that could be done? |
| [21:17:56] | [R]: | [01:54:38] +wagnerrp but they're still encrypted, and there's no way around that |
| [21:18:43] | karl370: | ok, so there's no point in those tuner cards?...with directv? |
| [21:19:01] | [R]: | thats what i just said |
| [21:20:30] | karl370: | they must be for un-encrypted ota then? |
| [21:21:27] | [R]: | the US isn't the only country in the world... |
| [21:21:58] | karl370: | :) |
| [21:22:32] | lautriv: | i dunno that term directtv, is this some abonnement for certain channels ? |
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| [21:26:10] | karl370: | It's my satelite provider. http://www.directv.com |
| [21:28:05] | lautriv: | karl370, if they do something special, they are often used to offer matching hardware to avoid a crack, maybe you can use a card with CI-Slot but no idea if directtv using standards. |
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| [21:31:28] | lautriv: | hm, regarding to my queue, what metadata is it searching, does that refer to some FS/File meta or some additional info from the web ? |
| [21:33:49] | lautriv: | karl370, i just saw, they say "on demand" so forget a CI-Card. |
| [21:34:47] | kormoc: | DirectTv doesn't support a ci-card |
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| [21:38:06] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, or should i call you oracle ;) what kind of metadata is that mentioned in the queue ? |
| [21:39:07] | tgm4883: | sphery, with the amount of effort we need to tell people that livetv is antiquated and the amount of people that just "must have it", why don't we just fix live tv so instead of it using a tuner, it opens the guide, then the user selects what they want to watch, the backend schedules the recording, and the frontend starts playing back the recording. Or am I oversimplying something here? |
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| [21:40:49] | lautriv: | tgm4883, why is live-tv antiquated ? |
| [21:40:54] | kormoc: | tgm4883, channel surfing won't work with a scheduled recording |
| [21:41:22] | tgm4883: | kormoc, true, so my solution for that is we poke people with a hot iron if they want that |
| [21:41:34] | kormoc: | tgm4883, live tv folks always do, they always do |
| [21:41:46] | tgm4883: | lautriv, because it is a waste of time |
| [21:41:55] | tgm4883: | kormoc, so I'll get my hot iron ready :) |
| [21:42:06] | lautriv: | tgm4883, tell that my wife ;) |
| [21:42:20] | tgm4883: | lautriv, Just tell me where to send the hot iron |
| [21:42:35] | marc84384: | Yeah, live tv is the death of me regarding WAF. |
| [21:43:11] | tgm4883: | hmm, my wife hates live tv now |
| [21:43:13] | tgm4883: | interesting |
| [21:43:39] | lautriv: | "oh, just saw the news recorded from this morning they say a tsunamis is ................SPLASH" |
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| [21:44:01] | lautriv: | :) |
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| [21:44:23] | kormoc: | lautriv, that's what you commflag and skip the commercials! You'll get the warning in time! ;) |
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| [21:46:20] | lautriv: | kormoc, i look around 5h/month and tha't documentations. but it's nice to entertain my family to get rid of wasting time otherwise. |
| [21:47:33] | tgm4883: | lautriv, see, that is the problem everyone always brings up "but I want to watch this live!", a few things. 1) Just because it's a scheduled recording, doesn't mean you can't watch it while it's recording. B) LiveTV in MythTV isn't real time live anyway, and III) if you want to watch the olympics live, you're going to have a bad time |
| [21:48:15] | marc84384: | tgm4883: Yeah, it's an old holdover from the past. She likes flipping channels |
| [21:48:52] | tgm4883: | marc84384, lautriv mind if I ask what age range they fall into? |
| [21:49:10] | tgm4883: | my wife is 28 and we've been using mythtv for 5 years |
| [21:49:26] | marc84384: | Slowly I'm getting her to switch to the TV's internal HD tuner to flip and go HDMI 1 for her precious tele-nvelas. |
| [21:49:36] | marc84384: | she is 42 |
| [21:49:47] | lautriv: | tgm4883, looks like i got just your term wrong (english is not my natural language) and of course i like the skip on ads. |
| [21:50:08] | lautriv: | however, bedtime. will saw you nervers tomorrow again....n8 |
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| [21:58:54] | tgm4883: | I wonder if it's just your standard "I don't want to learn something new because this is how I've always done it" or if there are many people in a younger generation that need live tv as well |
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| [22:06:17] | Beirdo: | NetworkMangler must be shot. |
| [22:06:49] | Beirdo: | and when you're done with that, shoot gnome too |
| [22:06:56] | Beirdo: | crappy crap. |
| [22:08:27] | marc84384: | I have not watched live-tv since I bought my first Replay-TV! ;) |
| [22:08:43] | Beirdo: | wonder if this is fixed in Quantal? |
| [22:09:27] | tgm4883: | Beirdo, whats broke? |
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| [22:09:54] | Beirdo: | I can't get this retarded NetworkMangler to let me route to a pptp VPN endpoint out the wireless |
| [22:10:07] | Beirdo: | it insists on rerouting via the ethernet |
| [22:10:12] | ** tgm4883 backs away slowly ** | |
| [22:10:25] | Beirdo: | that stupid thing should not mess with my static routes :) |
| [22:11:16] | tgm4883: | Beirdo, I've no idea how you have that setup, but I'm assuming you have specific routes for your VPN traffic? |
| [22:11:33] | Beirdo: | yeah, I put in a static route to the endpoint to connect to. |
| [22:11:50] | Beirdo: | and it decided to create ANOTHER one... out the ethernet instead. |
| [22:12:03] | Beirdo: | because, apparently, gnome knows better than I do. |
| [22:13:22] | tgm4883: | I'm assuming you've already tried setting the ignore automatic routes option? |
| [22:13:26] | Beirdo: | 67.111.12.202 10.190.8.1 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 eth0 |
| [22:13:29] | Beirdo: | 67.111.12.202 10.0.89.2 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| [22:13:32] | Beirdo: | urgh, did it again |
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| [22:20:59] | sphery: | tgm4883: once you get the hot iron code working, please let me know and I'll get it pushed |
| [22:21:12] | sphery: | note that's "hot iron code", not "hot coffee code" |
| [22:21:38] | tgm4883: | sphery, I'm still waiting on the RFC for 802.11hi |
| [22:21:42] | sphery: | (wonders if anyone recognizes the RockStar/GTA reference :) |
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| [22:21:47] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:21:52] | ** tgm4883 recognizes the GTA reference ** | |
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| [23:59:24] | darkstarbyte: | what is mythcommflags? |
| [23:59:32] | darkstarbyte: | oh I get it |
| [23:59:34] | darkstarbyte: | commercial |
| [23:59:49] | darkstarbyte: | Sucks that video file was so large. Gigady. |
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