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Wednesday, July 25th, 2012, 00:00 UTC
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[00:00:14] brandon-dacrib: nice.
[00:00:20] brandon-dacrib: didn't catch that
[00:00:22] sphery: I promise not to make any more bad, typing jokes
[00:00:23] brandon-dacrib: I was looking here
[00:00:24] brandon-dacrib: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings
[00:00:29] brandon-dacrib: and couldn't find jack
[00:00:47] brandon-dacrib: and was going nuts trying to remember
[00:00:54] sphery: uggghhh... another place with outdated info
[00:01:06] sphery: thanks for mentioning that page
[00:01:10] brandon-dacrib: I bet you I will never forget w again
[00:01:33] sphery: I may move the current/up-to-date info there, once I figure out what to do with the curren thowto stuff
[00:01:43] sphery: hehe
[00:01:56] sphery: well, if my bad jokes can have a positive impact, then maybe I shouldn't stop them :)
[00:03:20] sphery: yay, booting my dev box! been a while
[00:03:48] dekarl: if I understand the terms correctly anyone can write a metadata grabber for imdb but you must download the full text database in one batch and then work localy. not sure what that would be good for as IMDB has no fan art http://www.imdb.com/interfaces
[00:04:00] brandon-dacrib: where do you keep the current stuff
[00:04:19] dekarl: ^- wagnerrp thats what tv_imdb does
[00:04:19] brandon-dacrib: so I can just bookmark that for now
[00:04:24] wagnerrp: dekarl: and it means keeping a 250MB database around
[00:04:38] sphery: brandon-dacrib: if nothing else, to find a key binding, you can go to mythfrontend Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys and then find the right context/key
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[00:05:03] brandon-dacrib: thank you
[00:05:09] wagnerrp: it could be done, but it would be stupid to do so
[00:05:19] sphery: dekarl: and since they steal all input from the contributors, I'm happy to forget imdb
[00:06:37] sphery: I still use imdb interactively to look up "who's that and where have I seen him before" type stuff (since tmdb/ttvdb cast information is terrible), and I laugh when I see mistakes/incorrect info :)
[00:06:51] sphery: (same with tv.com)
[00:07:05] dekarl: I concur, supporting IMDB does not make sense for MythTV
[00:07:07] sphery: and I never actually submit corrections/additions to those sites :)
[00:07:33] sphery: and I laugh doubly hard when I can make tmdb/ttvdb's info more correct than imdb/tv.com's
[00:07:50] dekarl: being more correct then imdb is easy for "foreign" stuff
[00:08:56] brandon-dacrib: thank you all
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[00:09:06] wagnerrp: stupid "Mission to Mars"
[00:09:14] sphery: ?
[00:09:23] sphery: this the one they did bake sales for?
[00:09:26] wagnerrp: looking through what's on tonight, AMC is playing it
[00:09:41] dekarl: Beirdo, sphery, wrt nullvaapi / nullvdpau. here's a patch http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10937
[00:09:49] wagnerrp: it was so bad, it tainted Red Planet, which was otherwise a halfway decent movie
[00:09:57] sphery: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47729810/ns/tod . . . ientists-hol
[00:10:38] sphery: dekarl: thanks--got it done before I even booted my dev box
[00:11:41] wagnerrp: and avatar on FX... i still have yet to watch that movie
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[00:12:21] wagnerrp: well no, thats phrased poorly, someone might get the wrong idea that i actually have to watch that movie
[00:12:52] sphery: hehe
[00:14:52] sphery: wagnerrp: this has spoilers, but could save you a couple hours: http://failblog.org/2010/01/10/avatar-plot-fail/
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[00:33:38] sphery: wagnerrp: so, I have "The Angry Red Planet" recorded, and my history says I've recorded/watched "Mission to Mars" and "Red Planet", but I don't remember them...
[00:34:52] sphery: wasn't one of them the one where they went into the face on Cydonia?
[00:35:21] wagnerrp: mission to mars was the thing with the face and the aliens and i dont know what cydonia is
[00:35:34] sphery: the plain where the face is located
[00:36:00] sphery: but, yeah, that one was a bad one
[00:36:13] sphery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydonia_%28region_of_Mars%29
[00:36:22] sphery: so I suppose Red Planet was the better one, then
[00:37:09] sphery: though looking at the cast list, I'd have guess the opposite
[00:39:20] wagnerrp: red planet was just a straight forward scifi thriller
[00:39:26] wagnerrp: it wasnt great, but it was decent
[00:39:38] wagnerrp: the science wasnt great, but it wasnt that far off
[00:40:07] wagnerrp: there was no stupid craziness, no paranormal, no aliens, ...
[00:40:29] sphery: cool, not enough of those around
[00:41:07] wagnerrp: it was a perfectly watchable movie
[00:41:32] wagnerrp: except it was released 6 months after a horribly awful Mission to Mars, and so suffered the backlash from it
[00:41:54] sphery: you're making me think it would be nice to have a way to rate things after watching (and keep that rating around) with a way to look back through shows you've seen/rated and turn them back into rules
[00:42:17] sphery: keep another table, separate from oldrecorded, with the info
[00:42:52] sphery: definitely lower priority than anything else on my todo, though :)
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[00:47:54] wookey: I've managed to turn on 'only show favourites' for the EPG but have no favourites defined so it just says 'nothing to show'
[00:48:09] wookey: And now I can;t find where the option was to turn it off
[00:48:33] wookey: I've tried pressing ? whilst watching TV, but that's not adding anything to 'favourites'
[00:49:02] wookey: And I can;t get into the EPG to try pressing / or ?
[00:49:43] wookey: and the playback menu doesn;t seem to include that option either
[00:50:30] wookey: finding the option to turn off 'only show favourites' would be the quickest fix
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[01:16:33] sphery: wookey: the "add to favorites" action doesn't currently work
[01:16:49] sphery: wookey: does MENU allow you to change to show all
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[01:58:33] sphery: been too long away from mythtv... forgot my fixes
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[02:00:28] sphery: hehe, stupid Trac... I have an all-alpha hash, and it doesn't recognize it as a git hash
[02:03:01] sphery: maybe it was too short for it, and not the alpha
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[02:10:44] wagnerrp: hahahahahaa.....
[02:10:54] wagnerrp: "after running mythtv since 1996"
[02:14:59] sphery: hehe
[02:15:24] sphery: guess rumors that Isaac started mythtv were wrong
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[02:17:43] sphery: so where's this quote from?
[02:18:11] wagnerrp: CableCard Chain on the -users list
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[02:18:38] sphery: ah, haven't read that thread, yet
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[02:44:50] wookey: sphery: which 'MENU'?
[02:48:45] sphery: M key
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[02:50:57] wookey: I don't think so. I can't select schedule-> programme guide (presumably becuase it notices that it is empty)
[02:51:35] sphery: you're talking about mythfrontend, right?
[02:51:41] wookey: shouldn't the restrict EPG to favourites' option be in the setup menus somewhere?
[02:51:44] wookey: yes
[02:52:17] wookey: Ah there is an 'M' menu in the UI – I thought you meant the 'M' menu in playback
[02:52:20] sphery: I thought you were inside the Program Guide screen and it said there was nothing to show?
[02:52:33] wookey: that just has 'about' and 'enter standby mode'
[02:52:46] wookey: no, I can't get into the program guide screen
[02:52:50] sphery: that's in the Main Menu screen, right?
[02:52:56] sphery: not in the Guide screen
[02:53:54] wookey: schedule recordings-> 'programme guide' just pops up a dialog saying 'channel group favourites does na';t have any channe;ls defined the programme guide will have nothing to show"
[02:54:09] sphery: in the Program Guide screen, when you hit MENU, it gives an option (2nd to last--have to scroll to see it) "Choose Channel Group"
[02:54:09] wookey: yes that menu was on the main screen
[02:54:20] sphery: which is where you would select "All Channels"
[02:54:33] sphery: but you're saying that it won't let you in to that screen?
[02:54:59] sphery: Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Program Guide
[02:55:32] wookey: yes, that's right
[02:55:40] wookey: I get a dialog instead of going into the screen
[02:55:59] wookey: the 'Program Guide' screen
[02:56:17] sphery: and what exactly does the dialog say
[02:56:34] wookey: I just typed it in above
[02:56:39] wookey: schedule recordings-> 'programme guide' just pops up a dialog saying 'channel group favourites does na';t have any channe;ls defined the programme guide will have nothing to show"
[02:58:21] wookey: Or typed rather better: "channel group 'favourites' doesn't have any channels defined. The programme guide will have nothing to show"
[02:58:47] wookey: which is correct but not very helpful :-)
[02:58:56] sphery: then go into mythfrontend Utilities/Setup and either a) add channels to Favorites channel group under Video|Channel Groups
[02:59:47] sphery: or b) go into Video|General and turn off "Remember last channel group" and/or change "Default channel group" to "All Channels"
[03:00:26] wookey: I've got 'Setup' – where is Utilities-> Setup?
[03:00:35] wookey: "Remember last channel group" is already off
[03:01:01] wookey: aha – thayt Default Channel Group, looks promising
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[03:01:14] wookey: wahey!
[03:01:20] wookey: thanks for that.
[03:01:29] wookey: I have an EPG again :-)
[03:02:02] wookey: Now if I hit '?' in there it says 'you don't have any channel groups defained'
[03:02:05] sphery: and I have to fix a broken UI since it should still go in there
[03:02:11] sphery: ? doesn't work
[03:02:13] sphery: don't use it
[03:02:37] sphery: even if you had a Favorites (and, in theory everyone does, since it's automatically created as an empty group), it doesn't work
[03:02:45] wookey: OK, so is there a way to set some channels as favourites. Do I have to do it via SQL?
[03:03:07] wookey: There are a lot of crap channels I'd prefer not to be bothered by
[03:03:09] sphery: Utilities/Setup|Video|Channel Groups
[03:03:16] sphery: use that to edit
[03:03:31] sphery: same place I mentioned above
[03:03:37] wookey: Ah . that menu doesn;t work either
[03:03:48] sphery: how
[03:03:49] wookey: And neither does 'Playback Groups' above it
[03:04:03] sphery: "doesn't work" is very ambiguous
[03:04:13] wookey: I het 'enter' on that entry and nohting happens, except that I can;t move to another entry until I hit escape
[03:04:29] sphery: then it works
[03:04:31] wookey: so it has 'entered' that menu item, but not changed the display in any way
[03:04:31] sphery: and your theme is broken
[03:04:44] sphery: Utilities/Setup|Theme Chooser and get the current version
[03:04:59] wookey: OK. The theme is the boring Mythcentre-wide
[03:05:01] sphery: or, if you're using one that's only listed once, (meaning no updates are available), switch to a different theme
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[03:07:06] sphery: that said, it works on mine using MythCenter-wide
[03:07:22] sphery: and MythCenter-wide may not be packaged in the theme downloader, since it's part of a standard mythtv install
[03:07:36] sphery: meaning I'd guess you have an old/broken version installed in your /usr/share/mythtv dir
[03:08:18] wookey: Same problem with retro-wide
[03:08:52] sphery: even if I delete my Favorites channel group, it works fine for me
[03:09:08] sphery: (I'm testing on master, but I don't think any of that changes since 0.25-fixes)
[03:09:13] wookey: same in steppes-wide
[03:09:31] sphery: are you getting error messages?
[03:09:37] wookey: OK. I think I understands the problem now. Thanks
[03:09:38] sphery: what platform is this?
[03:09:42] sphery: mac os x?
[03:09:53] wookey: no. amd64 debian
[03:10:01] sphery: what gpu?
[03:10:01] wookey: on an dual-core atom
[03:10:12] sphery: intel or nvidia
[03:10:36] wookey: it's an intel board, so I guess intel
[03:10:47] sphery: not an ion
[03:11:04] sphery: meaning it can only handle standard def mpeg-2 or so
[03:11:08] wookey: I have an i915 modules
[03:11:49] sphery: try shutting down mythfrontend and starting with: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt
[03:11:55] sphery: then try that setup screen
[03:12:06] sphery: if it doesn't work, shut down and: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=opengl
[03:12:09] wookey: I'm already using the Qt theme, I think
[03:12:14] sphery: if either works, let me know
[03:12:28] sphery: test it as described so we know for sure which works/doesn't
[03:12:46] sphery: then we'll configure your system for it
[03:13:45] wookey: aha. running as mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt get me into the channel groups screen
[03:14:12] sphery: then go into Setup|Appearance and change UI Painter to "Qt"
[03:14:19] wookey: but it's bust running as opengl
[03:14:22] sphery: then you don't need the override (so normal frontend start will work)
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[03:14:36] sphery: means your video drivers are broken and OpenGL doesn't work
[03:14:46] sphery: possible because of bad driver code or bad install of drivers
[03:15:24] wookey: so opengl wasn;t being used until that screen? Or just some call first used on that screen is duff?
[03:15:28] sphery: if only mythtv worked in a vacuum (where it wasn't dependent on tons of different low-level system/hardware things :)
[03:15:57] sphery: opengl was being used
[03:16:51] wookey: if it's a clue, on the console it said MythUIhelper: Loadscale Image(mm_prev_off.png)Unable to find image file
[03:17:03] sphery: but problems don't necessarily show up on all screens--depends on a lot of factors (including how much and what type of screens you have above/below you in the stack and such)
[03:17:11] wookey: not sure if that was at the same time as the offending menu item
[03:17:39] sphery: that was a bug in the theme that was fixed recently, but would only result in a particular image not showing on the screen
[03:17:55] sphery: the drivers/driver install is the real problem
[03:18:11] wookey: Ah and 4 lines of OFont::setPixelSize: Pixel size <=0 (0)
[03:19:16] wookey: well, it's bedtime here, but that's definately progress. your help is much appreciated
[03:19:27] sphery: enjoy and good luck
[03:19:31] wookey: (4:20 am!)
[03:19:42] sphery: get some sleep!
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[05:43:23] wagnerrp: i always use too many hot peppers....
[05:44:50] rumblebumble: wagnerrp, hot peppers in what?
[05:44:56] wagnerrp: chili
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[05:45:28] rumblebumble: ahhh, nothing like a nice hot chili though
[05:46:41] wagnerrp: 3 jalapenos and a habenero... just a bit too much
[05:47:07] wagnerrp: at least this time i seem to have managed to do it without getting any oil on my hands
[05:47:08] rumblebumble: yeah, the habenero will do it every time
[05:47:23] wagnerrp: one tiny little habenero, for like 4lbs of chili
[05:47:57] wagnerrp: 2lbs meat, 3 cans beans, 2 onions, 5 bell peppers... just the one little red ball of evil
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[05:49:19] rumblebumble: I hate when you get the oil on your hands and then rub your eyes
[05:49:45] wagnerrp: yeah, its worse when you have contacts to take out
[05:49:58] wagnerrp: i tried repeatedly to salvage those contacts
[05:50:03] wagnerrp: but in the end, they were a lost cause
[05:50:35] rumblebumble: sounds good, I think I know what I will have for dinner tomorrow
[05:52:05] wagnerrp: meat was kielbasa, halved and cut at ~1/2"
[05:52:07] wagnerrp: black beans
[05:52:26] wagnerrp: sausage, onions, and peppers were sauteed
[05:52:35] wagnerrp: one of the cans of beans were minced for thickness
[05:52:48] rumblebumble: I hope they where disposable contacts
[05:53:03] wagnerrp: add water, add crock pot, season to taste
[05:53:07] wagnerrp: aye, disposable
[05:53:21] rumblebumble: Good good
[05:53:58] wagnerrp: generally use garlic, chili powder, cumin... added a bit of cinnamon
[05:54:12] wagnerrp: might put some lime in later for tartness
[05:55:01] rumblebumble: sounds good, I will have to add some cumin, I dont always add that
[05:55:26] wagnerrp: i have no idea what it is, but i like the flavor it gives things
[05:56:26] rumblebumble: I think it would be good
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[06:26:12] dekarl: sphery, sounds like TVWish http://www.templetons.com/brad/myth/suggest.html
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[06:47:14] dekarl: hmm hardwareprofile/sendProfile.py failed to update smolt due to "ImportError: No module named utility" with latest master on Mythbuntu 12.04 http://paste.ubuntu.com/1109615/
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[06:58:37] dekarl: nvm wrt sendProfile, that was likely a core dump from before https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9cc6b . . . dings/python
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[13:10:20] sphery: anyone here using master with Qt 4.8.x? If so, I'd love to get the results from a quick and easy test from you.
[13:11:31] sphery: oh, and also someone who's in North America/using Schedules Direct
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[13:16:16] ThisNewGuy_: fe6e4df0fdaf976ee235c912f7a167a1eb8e80d0 is the best fix ever!
[13:16:29] ThisNewGuy_: sphery: I'm using QT 4.8 and in NA and using Schedules Direct
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[13:37:23] sphery: ThisNewGuy_: on master or 0.25-fixes?
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[13:49:33] ThisNewGuy_: sphery: master
[13:49:45] sphery: ThisNewGuy_: and which revision?
[13:54:19] ThisNewGuy_: I just pulled the latest this morning
[13:54:57] sphery: OK, so you probably already have http://code.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/1850a25 . . . bf454/mythtv
[13:55:26] sphery: in which case, it would be awesome if you could: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'TRUNCATE TABLE program;'
[13:56:05] sphery: and then run: mythfilldatabase 2>&1 | tee ~/mythfilldatabase-daily_pulls.log
[13:56:31] sphery: (using the redirection instead of --logpath to try to capture non-MythTV logging that could, but shouldn't any longer, occur)
[13:56:46] sphery: and please don't use --dd-grab-all this time for the pull
[13:57:14] sphery: I recommend doing this at some point when you have a good half hour or more before any recordings (or Live TV usage)
[13:57:23] sphery: but can do it while the backend is running
[13:57:46] sphery: and huge thanks for it... trying to figure out if that change fixes an issue with our retrieving data for the wrong days
[13:58:35] ThisNewGuy_: k – will do – I have some meetings but I'll kick it off at ~11am (ET)
[14:00:58] sphery: thanks... feel free to either e-mail the log to me or pastebin it and link it--I'll see any messages here as long as you mention my nick
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[14:27:02] ThisNewGuy_: sphery: http://pastebin.com/2bdeK79s
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[15:05:32] sphery: ThisNewGuy_: thanks, looks good
[15:06:49] ThisNewGuy_: np – glad to help – thanks for making an awesome product
[15:11:48] wagnerrp: "product" just makes it sound like we actually sell the thing
[15:12:40] ThisNewGuy_: yeah – I struggled with that word – tool? app? product? none of them sound right – "thing I love"?
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[16:44:07] wagnerrp: sphery: what's our official stance with the stuff on the bottom? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Hauppauge_HD . . . ;oldid=55198
[16:44:24] wagnerrp: personally, im perfectly fine with having it on the wiki, so long as it is worded differently
[16:44:47] wagnerrp: its not a "countermeasure", youre not going anything wrong, its just an additional step necessary to use your device
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[16:55:35] ViperSBT: Any recommendations for a image gallery module in MythWeb?
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[17:06:03] dekarl: lol, just read up on HDCP on wikipedia... so we are just waiting for chinese hardware that "does not support HDCP" to get rid of license fees. but will work with all content due to silently handling it. looks like they better make the licenses cheap ( http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2010/09/16/intel- . . . ode-cracked/ )
[17:07:53] sid3windr: this is almost 2 years ago ;)
[17:08:40] dekarl: well, the chinese are faking their reports to their bosses, too ;)
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[17:13:50] elkin: hi, wondering if someone can help me with "getPreviewImage" im the python bindings
[17:14:11] elkin: I am getting a AttributeError: 'MythXML' object has no attribute '_result'
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[18:31:06] laga: hey guys. in mythnetvision, can I add youtube channels of specific users?
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[21:12:56] dekarl: wagnerrp: btw, what is missing to get auto zoom for vdpau/vaapi?
[21:14:14] wagnerrp: mythtv pulling the decoded video back out of the GPU so it can examine it for black bars
[21:14:22] wagnerrp: or otherwise pushing it into opengl to do the same
[21:14:41] dekarl: ok, was thinking about the opengl rendering, too.
[21:15:03] wagnerrp: at the moment, we actually use VDPAU/VAAPI to do the video rendering, not opengl
[21:17:40] dekarl: hmm, can't the borderdetector in mythcommflag "simply" store the values next to the keyframes
[21:18:12] dekarl: I have to dig into that AFD stuff again. maybe we have proper signalling of the border over here
[21:18:46] dekarl: though it would surprise me if the 14:9 safe in 4:3/16:9 were properly signaled
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[21:35:51] dekarl: On 0.26, I just restarted my backend with running recordings and now have two parts of the programm in their own recording. But the first part is shown in mythfrontend as "still recording" while the second part is properly written as expected. Does that ring a bell with someone?
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[21:40:17] wagnerrp: sounds like expected
[21:40:27] wagnerrp: mythtv does not tie multiple parts together
[21:41:17] dekarl: but it marks the wrong part as "still recording"
[21:41:28] wagnerrp: oh, dont know about that one
[21:48:26] dekarl: Captain_Murdoch: should http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10729 be backported to 0.25 and closed or just be closed as fixed in 0.26?
[21:58:16] sphery: wagnerrp: agreed on that stuff... having it on there is fine, but I've never liked that wording
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[23:19:39] knightr_: sphery, I need help (if you have time...)...
[23:20:17] sphery: sure, what's up
[23:23:10] Beirdo: you're our resident shrink
[23:24:12] sphery: and how does that make you feel?
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[23:30:41] ** Beirdo farts **
[23:30:44] Beirdo: hehe
[23:30:52] Beirdo: pretty good
[23:31:17] kormoc: Beirdo, Others who might care, Shameless plug https://github.com/JMPjct/JMPjct ;)
[23:31:32] Beirdo: Cool :)
[23:31:55] Beirdo: other than the "J" part which still makes me shudder, but I'll get over it.
[23:32:17] kormoc: honestly, threading in java was much much much nicer then in c
[23:32:21] kormoc: especially c with lua
[23:35:11] Pocketflyer: Hey folks two problems: 1) my mythtv on Mac won't record anymore. It recorded one program, and now it won't record anymore even though I'm scheduling things
[23:35:38] Beirdo: heheh
[23:35:51] Pocketflyer: 2nd problem isn't important until I figure out the first :)
[23:35:57] Beirdo: Yeah, I can believe it, kormoc :)
[23:39:43] ** Beirdo gives Python a really dirty look **
[23:40:08] ** wagnerrp joins in that dirty look **
[23:40:10] Beirdo: unchunk my data, you snake
[23:40:48] Beirdo: urllib2 (now urllib in Py 3.x) is not dealing with Transport-Encoding: chunked
[23:40:54] Beirdo: at least not for me
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[23:41:24] wagnerrp: i was thinking more about threading
[23:41:30] Beirdo: heh
[23:41:40] Beirdo: oh, my "thread" works fine
[23:41:43] Beirdo: other than that
[23:45:28] Beirdo: OK.
[23:45:35] Beirdo: urllib doesn't do it, it seems
[23:45:57] Beirdo: the word chunked is only in http/client.py
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[23:57:02] Beirdo: NVM
[23:57:15] Beirdo: server was chunking chunked data

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