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[01:46:41] wagnerrp: support for the infinitv was not added until 0.25
[01:46:42] krys: anyone know if the infinitv 4 USB tuner works with .25?
[01:47:12] krys: been struggling all day and cant get it going
[01:47:12] wagnerrp: i _assume_ the USB one would work just the same as the PCI one
[01:47:17] wagnerrp: in both cases, it is a network device
[01:47:25] wagnerrp: and mythtv should be accessing the tuner over the network
[01:47:38] krys: right, but from what I have read the pci version shows up in ifconfig as ctn0
[01:47:48] krys: usb version shows up as usb0
[01:48:12] krys: also in ifconfig it shows an address of 192.168.180.3
[01:48:30] krys: but i can access it from browser at 192.168.180.1
[01:49:00] russell5: 192.168.180.3 is your computer and .1 is the device
[01:49:02] wagnerrp: no, your PC shows an address of 192.168.180.3
[01:49:04] russell5: i believe
[01:49:15] krys: my pc is .109
[01:49:23] wagnerrp: no
[01:49:23] krys: 192.168.1.109
[01:49:29] wagnerrp: it is actually creating a new internal network
[01:49:40] wagnerrp: with your PC and the tuner as two devices on the separate network
[01:49:53] wagnerrp: the tuner card is effectively an embedded linux machine
[01:49:56] krys: ok, so then what IP do i stick in mythtv?
[01:50:02] wagnerrp: and you are recording off of it over the network
[01:50:14] wagnerrp: in general? or in capture card setup?
[01:50:21] krys: capture
[01:50:40] wagnerrp: i would assume just follow the directions for the PCI version
[01:50:56] krys: well it says use 192.168.200.1
[01:51:13] wagnerrp: then use 192.168.180.1 instead
[01:51:26] krys: right, i tried that and i just get capture card errors
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[01:52:55] krys: Error: Failed to open device 192.168.180.1–0.0
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[01:59:10] krys: CetonSH(192.168.180.1–0.0): Tuner device unavailable
[02:01:34] krys: any logs i should be looking at other than mythtvbackend.log?
[02:14:55] krys: i assume that if the infinitv wasnt installed properly i wouldnt be able to access its admin page
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[06:28:19] blscearce: Howdy, does anyone know how to get the episode list to show both date and time of recorded episodes rather than just time? I couldn't find anything in the UI "Setup" to do that, even though the theme I'm using has it on the screenshot.
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[11:06:03] Niffum: I have a question with reguards to version 0.25 upgrade from 0.24. I'm not sure if something went wrong with my install or if the way recording rules are made have changed
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[11:07:43] Niffum: I go under shedule recordings, under program finder and the old recording menu isnt there
[11:07:55] Niffum: I can 'toggle record'
[11:08:18] Niffum: and it just seems to record a single show
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[11:09:05] Niffum: at the moment I have to login through mythweb to setup all my recordings
[11:11:15] Niffum: is it just retarded or is there a different way now to do it ?
[11:16:05] Niffum: its like it wants me to manually selelect every show I record now
[11:16:21] Niffum: hello?
[11:18:46] Niffum: its almost liek the default is record once
[11:19:29] Niffum: cat /dev/null
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[11:46:17] natanojl: Niffum: Are you pressing MENU or ENTER on the show you want to record?
[11:47:04] Niffum: I think I tried either
[11:47:15] Niffum: I think enter doesn't respond anymore
[11:48:36] natanojl: Because they will bring up different menus
[11:48:51] Niffum: ook
[11:49:16] Niffum: so under shedule recordings, program finder I hit enter on the show?
[11:49:25] Niffum: and it shoudl bring up the oldschool menu?
[11:49:48] natanojl: yup
[11:50:24] natanojl: Might be a theme issue, i.e. that you are using an old theme that is not compatible with 0.25
[11:50:52] Niffum: yeah
[11:51:02] Niffum: I hacked a theme way back at 23
[11:51:24] natanojl: And you are still using it?
[11:51:34] Niffum: because it looked really crap on my 1920x1080 screen with the stock themes
[11:51:42] Niffum: I hacked it a few times to make it work
[11:52:05] Niffum: whats an ok theme to use?
[11:52:47] natanojl: Go to Settings -> Theme Chooser
[11:52:51] Niffum: OMG
[11:52:59] Niffum: wtf did they do, thats awsome
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[11:55:05] Niffum: well, I chagned themes
[11:55:08] Niffum: enter doesn't do anything
[12:01:17] natanojl: Might need to press enter again
[12:01:41] Niffum: I hit it 4 times
[12:01:53] natanojl: hehe, ok
[12:01:56] Niffum: actually, I hit it quite a few more than that
[12:02:37] natanojl: Other than to check the frontend log I've got no more ideas
[12:02:59] Niffum: ook
[12:03:07] natanojl: Well, maybe try yet a different theme. Which one were you trying now?
[12:03:08] Niffum: it comes up with a recording menu when I press m
[12:03:10] Niffum: or menu key
[12:03:18] Niffum: i'm trying mythbuntu 25.something
[12:03:26] Niffum: the problem i'm having with the recordings.. is it just records one show
[12:03:34] Niffum: I can 'toggle' recording
[12:06:09] natanojl: You get a menu with 'Edit Search', 'Toggle Record', 'Program Details
[12:06:16] natanojl: etc?
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[12:08:06] Niffum: yeah
[12:08:08] Niffum: thats the one
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[12:12:21] natanojl: Mythbuntu 25.12 works here. Have you tried to press space instead of enter?
[12:14:56] Niffum: ?
[12:15:00] Niffum: but you get teh same menu as me?
[12:15:09] Niffum: with "edit search", "toggle record"....
[12:15:09] Niffum: ?
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[12:26:15] natanojl: When I press MENU, yes. But I get the Schedule Editor screen when I press SELECT, i.e. enter or space
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[12:43:00] Niffum: yeah
[12:43:02] Niffum: I dont' get that
[12:44:27] Niffum: i'll apt-get install it
[12:44:31] Niffum: maybe the update will fix it
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[12:58:34] Niffum: thanks
[13:01:42] natanojl: Did you check the frontend log?
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[13:04:23] Niffum: not yet
[13:04:35] Niffum: wife wanted me to do some housework
[13:05:20] Niffum: i'll have to go find where it puts the logs now
[13:05:31] Niffum: I had them in a directory but it changed what it wanted to do with them
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[16:18:22] Cardoe: Anyone know if its possible if I can programatically tell MythVideo to scan for changes in 0.25?
[16:18:39] Cardoe: e.g. If I copy some files in via ssh and then run a command rather than having to do it via the remote.
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[16:23:06] wagnerrp: mythbackend --scan-videos
[16:23:09] wagnerrp: or something of that sort
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[16:23:24] wagnerrp: but understand, its only going to handle content in storage groups, not local folder definitions
[16:23:42] wagnerrp: and you may have some complications with file permissions if the backends are not able to access the content for whatever reason
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[16:28:03] Cardoe: wagnerrp: I have a storage group called Videos with a directory of /var/lib/mythtv/videos
[16:28:05] Cardoe: wagnerrp: is that ok?
[16:28:22] wagnerrp: if the backend can read it, sure
[16:28:30] wagnerrp: you got a few minutes?
[16:29:26] wagnerrp: a while back, you linked me to bug 411547
[16:29:28] Cardoe: --scan-video and --scan-videos just give the help output
[16:29:38] Cardoe: Gentoo bug or MythTV?
[16:30:03] wagnerrp: as best i could discern, newer versions of GCC, or maybe Qt, optimize out something
[16:30:10] wagnerrp: resulting in the vtable issue when linking
[16:30:12] wagnerrp: gentoo
[16:30:35] wagnerrp: would the solution just be to remove the Q_OBJECT macro to prevent the code from thinking it would be there in the first place?
[16:31:01] Cardoe: wagnerrp: The issue I believe was actually QT_DBUS wasn't enabled.
[16:31:16] Cardoe: It wasn't an optimization
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[16:31:35] Cardoe: It was a function was defined as virtual or something like that.
[16:31:40] Cardoe: I think.
[16:31:42] Cardoe: Let me look
[16:31:47] wagnerrp: SteveGoodey: not even 20 minutes after i enable account creation, they come flooding in
[16:31:58] wagnerrp: Cardoe: oh, something where typically dbus is picked up elsewhere
[16:32:10] wagnerrp: but the user didnt have that other package installed to require it?
[16:32:13] wagnerrp: so it was missing?
[16:32:41] Cardoe: wagnerrp: Yep. It was an optional depend at first
[16:32:54] Cardoe: Since its technically listed as optional in the MythTV depends
[16:33:07] Cardoe: But its required because the code doesn't compile without it.
[16:33:10] wagnerrp: heh, we actually have an official depends list?
[16:34:52] Cardoe: You don't but I go through the source and the configure scripts
[16:34:58] Cardoe: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411547#c50
[16:35:01] Cardoe: That was the fix.
[16:35:20] wagnerrp: ah, thanks
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[16:35:52] wagnerrp: going to do another manual bump for 0.25.2 shortly
[16:36:28] Cardoe: With the MythGame fix?
[16:36:33] wagnerrp: apparently i need to change how the user is set in the init script as well
[16:36:47] wagnerrp: ah, forgot all about that one
[16:36:57] SteveGoodey: wagnerrp: Thought it had gone quiet. See you had a manic block/delete session yesterday. That short a time to restart makes me wonder if they are robot created. Is that your thought?
[16:36:58] wagnerrp: im still not sure how that didnt make it in last time through
[16:37:11] Cardoe: wagnerrp: I meant backported into fixes/0.25
[16:37:40] Cardoe: wagnerrp: so any idea how I can find --scan-videos or whatever the flag is?
[16:38:07] wagnerrp: oh, right... that got moved
[16:38:12] Cardoe: wagnerrp: Then it seems like I need to install your log rotation script and use it due to the logging system doing its own thing now days.
[16:38:15] wagnerrp: mythutil --scanvideos
[16:39:27] wagnerrp: i have no intention of backporting it, since i really dont know what the consequences of that are, and its only gentoo that was affected
[16:39:45] wagnerrp: but as mentioned, i had worked up a patch, and a tweak to the ebuild to patch it in through portage
[16:39:52] wagnerrp: which i somehow missed in the last bump
[16:41:10] wagnerrp: SteveGoodey: definitely a bot... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=19L9kA8V
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[16:42:58] wagnerrp: Steve-Goodey: definitely a bot... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=19L9kA8V
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[17:06:04] Steve-Goodey: wagnerrp: I take it that 199 ip address is bogus?
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[17:06:33] wagnerrp: yeah, google it... shows up on antispam lists
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[18:44:45] wizbit: anybody know how to get mythvideo covers showing in mythweb?
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[19:49:06] Steve-Goodey: wagnerrp: Hi, you blocked new accounts on the wiki at the moment?
[19:50:57] wagnerrp: yeah
[19:51:15] wagnerrp: temporary, been looking through various things to add this afternoon
[19:51:52] Steve-Goodey: Would that be the way to go, get users to email someone to get an account?
[19:52:25] wagnerrp: id rather just using something that hooked into page edits
[19:53:07] wagnerrp: and either blocked outright, or held for review, any edits that added links, or edited the domain of existing links, for the first X number of edits by a user
[19:55:48] Steve-Goodey: First few edits sounds good, is there anything that mediawiki has that allows that I wonder.
[19:56:23] wagnerrp: im not finding any such extensions, but the API has everything needed to write one
[19:56:53] wagnerrp: everything im finding has more to do with blocklists to prevent them access in the first place, or utilities to make deletion/blocking easier once they do something
[19:57:01] wagnerrp: nothing to monitor the edits themselves
[19:58:50] Steve-Goodey: That ip address you gave come up on google with a couple of sites that had been hit. Loads and loads of spammed pages.
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[20:01:06] Steve-Goodey: Shame these people can't find something useful to do.
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[20:03:40] wagnerrp: the amusing thing... reading up on this stuff, apparently everything they do is irrelevant
[20:04:20] wagnerrp: modern versions of mediawiki mark their links as not to be counted for popularity by search tools
[20:04:30] wagnerrp: so all this spam does exactly nothing in terms of SEO
[20:07:10] Steve-Goodey: I wouldn't call it amusing, not seeing the work it causes you. How did you get conned into doing this. :-)
[20:07:41] wagnerrp: doing the same stuff you're doing now
[20:07:43] Cardoe: wagnerrp: does mythweb not use mythbackend's built in streaming for video streaming?
[20:07:56] wagnerrp: no, not at current
[20:08:15] wagnerrp: it either does ASX streaming from the file
[20:08:26] wagnerrp: or it transcodes to an flv for flash streaming from the file
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[20:08:37] wagnerrp: the only thing it will stream from the backend is music
[20:14:34] Captain_Murdoch: Cardoe, I have a proof of concept patch to use JW Player within MythWeb, but didn't have time to get it properly integrated before feature freeze for 0.26.
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[20:15:04] Cardoe: Captain_Murdoch: So its a 0.27 item?
[20:15:10] Captain_Murdoch: hopefully.
[20:15:17] Cardoe: ugh
[20:15:23] Captain_Murdoch: plays fine, but will need a bit of glue for the start/stop/etc.
[20:15:44] Cardoe: The backend's stuff already works much better than mythweb's
[20:15:55] Cardoe: And it also gets rid of the last bits of Perl from mythweb
[20:16:25] Captain_Murdoch: I've been debating something that jya and I discussed about encoding on the fly, and may get sidetracked on that. if that works, then it would make implementing the mythweb site much easier. thinking of bypassing the add(start)/stop/delete totally.
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[20:18:07] Cardoe: I'd be happy with it just requesting the backend to transcode
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[20:18:10] Cardoe: then starts to stream
[20:18:30] Captain_Murdoch: might not be able to support cutlists that way, but you'd be able to seek past where the current transcode was happening at so you wouldn't have to wait. may just go ahead and do mythweb first though. not sure. trying just to keep HLS working now as it is.
[20:18:55] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, that's basically what I have now but without the javascript to get the stream id, etc. it's hardcoded in my test patch.
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[20:56:45] ** wagnerrp throws fire on the flame war **
[20:56:55] wagnerrp: s/fire/fuel/
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[20:58:20] wagnerrp: the "cloud" is just one of those buzz words that turns me into a hate machine
[21:03:09] J-e-f-f-A: heh
[21:03:42] wagnerrp: "lets make mythtv interface with 'the cloud', and lets use owncloud as the platform"
[21:03:55] wagnerrp: no... no no no no no....
[21:03:59] J-e-f-f-A: Yeah. no kidding.
[21:04:20] wagnerrp: if its not on the internet, if its not run in some 3rd party data center, its not "the cloud"
[21:04:32] wagnerrp: it doesnt matter if they used 'cloud' in the name of the software
[21:04:46] J-e-f-f-A: I find that most of the time when our managers ask or suggest something about 'the cloud', it's just because they've learned a new buzz-word...
[21:05:51] J-e-f-f-A: ... And they even wanted to virtualize our Tandem systems... Gee, let's see if we can virtualize a proprietary OS/Hardware onto a VM x86 machine... NOT!
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[21:23:23] BFlo: hello?
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[21:25:54] BFlo: hello?
[21:26:23] FLeiXiuS: lol
[21:28:16] BFlo: I've been having an issue where the frontend and backend on the same system can't see each other. I have all the details setup with hostname and users the same. Any ideas?
[21:29:13] FLeiXiuS: BFlo, Are you using localhost?
[21:29:25] BFlo: actually no, but im using the local ips
[21:29:35] FLeiXiuS: BFlo, 127.0.0.1?
[21:29:36] BFlo: I would like access from remote clients
[21:29:40] FLeiXiuS: Ahh
[21:29:43] BFlo: no 10.0.1.219
[21:29:51] BFlo: its a static ip from my router
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[21:31:25] FLeiXiuS: BFlo, And you set that IP for your Frontend to connect to I assume. If so – and its not working. Chances are your backend is listening on 127.0.0.1
[21:31:41] BFlo: I read somewhere that editing /etc/mysql/my.cnf and changing "bind-address" to the correct ip (not localhost) would fix it but that didn't work
[21:32:01] BFlo: correct, I changed both the front and backend to use the local ip
[21:33:01] FLeiXiuS: BFlo, Pastie.org me the contents of "netstat -na |grep :3306"
[21:33:31] BFlo: ok jas
[21:33:49] FLeiXiuS: And for port 6543
[21:34:23] BFlo: never used paste before, is this what you need? http://pastie.org/4268360
[21:34:45] BFlo: 6543 is empty
[21:35:05] BFlo: hold on I have the backend setup utility up so the backend is off right this second
[21:35:07] FLeiXiuS: BFlo, Is the backend running...
[21:35:09] FLeiXiuS: lol
[21:35:34] BFlo: lol
[21:37:03] BFlo: gonna reboot just to be safe, the command line start was giving errors
[21:37:11] BFlo: which could be the problem
[21:37:25] FLeiXiuS: Did you run the SQL commands to allow other hosts to communicate with the DB?
[21:37:41] BFlo: yeah I set up a user with % access
[21:37:46] BFlo: thats the wildcard right?
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[21:38:26] BFlo: thanks for the help btw
[21:41:19] FLeiXiuS: No problem.
[21:42:54] FLeiXiuS: I have to go – but make sure both are running on 0.0.0.0
[21:43:50] BFlo: so i think the backend isn't running porperly
[21:43:53] BFlo: *properly
[21:44:26] BFlo: when I run "/usr/bin/mythbackend" it ends with "Backend exiting, MainServer initialization error."
[21:44:51] FLeiXiuS: Check the logs
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[21:46:51] BFlo: I think I got it
[21:47:25] BFlo: yeah I got it, I had tried to set the ipv6 and must have had a typo because it was causing problems
[21:47:29] BFlo: thanks
[21:49:35] BFlo: Ok so now I have another question... I have a Ceton InfiniTV 4, will this be able to scan and find the channels automatically or will I need a schedules direct account?
[21:51:19] BFlo: online looks like i can't
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[22:09:03] wagnerrp: BFlo: you need a schedules direct account for guide data
[22:09:15] wagnerrp: completely independent of whether or not you can get channels from the infinitv card
[22:09:22] BFlo: ok thanks, I just got a trial, if i like it ill buy it
[22:09:33] wagnerrp: mythtv is nearly useless without it
[22:09:48] BFlo: ok any other tips for a first time setup?
[22:10:37] wagnerrp: what kind of hardware are you using?
[22:11:20] BFlo: how exactly do I get the channel editor to work?
[22:11:33] wagnerrp: what do you mean?
[22:11:43] BFlo: I added schedules direct as a source and it connected to my account perfectly fine
[22:12:12] BFlo: then i went into video connections and told it to use the schedules direct video source
[22:12:17] wagnerrp: this is mythtv 0.25?
[22:12:33] BFlo: yes
[22:12:49] wagnerrp: there should be an option to download the channel lineup from listings source
[22:12:55] BFlo: I think I got it, I was trying to scan for channels still, needed to do the "fetch channels" option
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[22:22:38] Cardoe: J-e-f-f-A: Tandem systems? You must work at a bank. Only place I've seen those still used.
[22:23:26] J-e-f-f-A: Cardoe: Nope, but our customers are banks. You know other places they're still used – you may have heard of Visa, Home Depot, Target, AOL... ;-)
[22:28:35] Cardoe: J-e-f-f-A: Well that's more of what I meant.
[22:28:42] Cardoe: Credit card stuff
[22:28:44] J-e-f-f-A: ;-)
[22:28:51] Cardoe: Used to work in the industry
[22:29:21] J-e-f-f-A: Cardoe: Yeah, but Home Depot uses them for everything, as does Target. Target's system gives them real-time displays of everything...
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[23:31:05] BFlo: any idea how long I can expect this initial myth fill database?
[23:31:11] BFlo: *to take
[23:31:21] jwh: as fast as your equipment is?
[23:35:05] BFlo: what do you mean? shouldn't transfer rate be the limiting factor?
[23:36:08] jwh: well thats covered by equipment, so yeah
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[23:37:07] BFlo: o ok, I was thinking like CPU, GPU, etc
[23:37:55] BFlo: Speedtest is showing 30 Mbps down
[23:38:45] BFlo: I'm not looking for anything specific here though, should it be over in less than a minute or does pulling the next week's worth of scheduling take half an hour?
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[23:51:45] wagnerrp: you should be looking at a few minutes on a properly configured system
[23:52:33] jwh: is there really a lack of dvb systems in place that carry the epg
[23:53:19] wagnerrp: broadcast ATSC systems are only required to provide the streams that typically contain the next 12 hours of EPG data, carried in 3hr long blocks
[23:53:36] jwh: oh ATSC, yea well :P
[23:53:37] wagnerrp: there is no requirement on how accurate or complete that data must be
[23:53:40] jwh: epg like the standard
[23:53:45] wagnerrp: digital cable requires... exactly nothing
[23:54:09] wagnerrp: as they send their own EPG data using their own custom protocol, on frequencies a standard cable tuner cannot even access
[23:54:23] jwh: cable I'd understand
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[23:54:32] jwh: but general public systems usually have accessible epg data
[23:54:45] wagnerrp: in other words, broadcast EPG data in north america ranges from modest to terrible
[23:54:45] jwh: in sensible countries with sensible formats, at least :P
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[23:54:52] jwh: yeah probably not in NA
[23:54:57] wagnerrp: its rare to find a location you might actually consider "good"
[23:55:04] jwh: surprised though
[23:55:57] wagnerrp: if they provided good data to users for free, those users wouldnt pay for things like TV guides, and TVGuide in turn would not pay them for accurate data
[23:56:42] jwh: crazy
[23:56:57] wagnerrp: besides, who actually needs such long term guide data?
[23:57:00] jwh: in almost every other country EPG data is readily available from broadcasts
[23:57:15] wagnerrp: any commercial DVR you buy is going to come with some subscription service or another that will provide such data
[23:57:22] jwh: I've never ever seen that
[23:57:49] jwh: only exception is Sky, which uses proprietary EPG channels on satellite (which have been decoded and used by 3rd parties)
[23:58:06] jwh: but any off-the-sheld receiver for either dvb-t or dvb-s will use EIT in the broadcast
[23:58:13] wagnerrp: cable DVRs get their data from the cable company, tivos get their data from tivo, winmce gets their data from microsoft...
[23:58:21] jwh: dvb-c has the same thing thuogh
[23:58:23] jwh: thoug*
[23:58:41] jwh: as its all essentially identical, except transmission medium
[23:58:49] jwh: it seems silly
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[23:59:27] jwh: MCE suffers from a lack of working EIT support however
[23:59:41] wagnerrp: ive not actually discovered anywhere on my samsung that will show data beyond the current show
[23:59:57] wagnerrp: MCE has their global guide data feeds, in theory they shouldnt need EIT

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