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| [03:07:56] | tdub: | hello, does anyone have any experience using mythlink.pl as a User Job? |
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| [03:11:39] | tdub: | hello, does anyone have any experience using mythlink.pl as a User Job? |
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| [03:17:16] | wagnerrp: | generally advised to run it as a system event job, rather than a user job |
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| [03:19:32] | plut0: | whats the cheapest i could build a mythtv frontend at? |
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| [03:19:49] | ertyu-m: | $0 |
| [03:19:52] | wagnerrp: | zero |
| [03:20:06] | ertyu-m: | hehe |
| [03:20:08] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:20:17] | wagnerrp: | with some experienced dumpster diving or other scrounging |
| [03:20:19] | plut0: | where do i signup |
| [03:20:58] | ertyu-m: | they have huge pallets full of computer stuff going out at work, wish they ask if anyone wants some of it |
| [03:21:24] | plut0: | i'm looking at $216 before tax/ship right now |
| [03:21:59] | wagnerrp: | for a "real" computer, that sounds pretty good |
| [03:23:41] | wagnerrp: | man... the wiki is so quiet now that new account creation is disabled... |
| [03:24:28] | plut0: | can i get cheaper? |
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| [03:25:21] | wagnerrp: | depends on whether you have existing hardware you can use |
| [03:25:29] | plut0: | not really |
| [03:25:32] | wagnerrp: | or if youre making it from scratch |
| [03:25:38] | plut0: | scratch |
| [03:25:53] | ertyu-m: | is the atom+ion still the minimalistic approach? |
| [03:26:07] | wagnerrp: | not in my opinion |
| [03:26:56] | wagnerrp: | minimalist approach for me is a mini-itx board, i3, picopsu, and 4GB of memory, bolted onto the underside of your TV stand |
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| [03:27:28] | ertyu-m: | ya, real cpu is a much better value, not sure what the cost difference is now |
| [03:27:36] | plut0: | would that be sold as an appliance or build yourself? |
| [03:28:00] | wagnerrp: | no hard drive, no case... clearly not an appliance |
| [03:28:18] | plut0: | how much you think? |
| [03:29:26] | ertyu-m: | lets see, maybe $150 more mono, cpu, ram, another $100 for a case |
| [03:29:40] | ertyu-m: | but you probably want to tack on an nvidia gpu |
| [03:29:45] | ertyu-m: | s/mono/mobo/ |
| [03:29:51] | wagnerrp: | im saying no case, no gpu |
| [03:29:52] | ertyu-m: | argh, auto correct |
| [03:30:08] | wagnerrp: | just bolt the thing exposed to your home theater cabinet |
| [03:30:13] | plut0: | how much wagnerrp? |
| [03:30:26] | wagnerrp: | im checking, hold on |
| [03:30:29] | plut0: | ok |
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| [03:35:14] | wagnerrp: | intel G860 ($90), foxconn H67S ($65), mushkin 2x2GB ($25), picopsu+102W ($55) |
| [03:35:23] | wagnerrp: | and then probably another $25 for a remote and receiver |
| [03:35:30] | wagnerrp: | so $260 |
| [03:35:53] | plut0: | thats more than what i came up with, shucks |
| [03:35:58] | wagnerrp: | and i would just mount it on the inside of my TV cabinet, protected up in the corner |
| [03:36:10] | ertyu-m: | you could cut the cpu price in half if you go down to the 5xx series pentium |
| [03:36:35] | wagnerrp: | but then youre dropping into the range where CPU speed becomes an issue on some content |
| [03:36:49] | wagnerrp: | and i think there is some limitation on the graphics on those low end chips |
| [03:37:22] | plut0: | does it matter when the gpu does all the work? i mean anything today should be able to do 1080p on the gpu |
| [03:37:56] | wagnerrp: | only if the content is in a format that is supported by the GPU |
| [03:38:04] | wagnerrp: | and only if the content is clean and relatively error free |
| [03:38:15] | wagnerrp: | and only if youve sacrificed your goat quota this month |
| [03:38:15] | ertyu-m: | and afaik, only nvidia gpu is well supported by myth |
| [03:38:17] | plut0: | yeah would have to encode everything x264 or something |
| [03:39:02] | wagnerrp: | with hardware decoding, you're limited in the physical space you can dedicate to it |
| [03:39:23] | ertyu-m: | any concrete results showing ivy bridge vs sandy bridge video decoding performance? |
| [03:39:25] | wagnerrp: | meaning they cut corners, they leave out features, they only provide support for the most common formats |
| [03:39:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it will generally work |
| [03:39:43] | wagnerrp: | but it wont always work |
| [03:39:51] | wagnerrp: | and if you dont have the CPU to back it up, you're screwed |
| [03:40:01] | plut0: | what do you think about an ARM board? |
| [03:40:09] | wagnerrp: | run away |
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| [03:40:29] | plut0: | too immature? |
| [03:40:38] | ertyu-m: | I remember back when you needed a gpu to decode dvds on PCs, it ended up being so painful as everything needed to be just right for it to work, so much easier when you can just decode it on cpu |
| [03:40:59] | wagnerrp: | not that i have anything in particular against ARM (although i do despise Atom) |
| [03:41:12] | ertyu-m: | atom isn't arm |
| [03:41:19] | wagnerrp: | youre simply not going to do any video decoding on the CPU, and mythtv has no support for any hardware decoders on the ARM |
| [03:41:32] | plut0: | ok |
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| [04:13:40] | lapion: | In general a 700mhz arm can do full speed playback of 1080p video no problems whatsoever |
| [04:14:18] | wagnerrp: | in general, no it cannot, at all, ever |
| [04:14:47] | lapion: | even the rasberry pi can do that. |
| [04:14:51] | wagnerrp: | discounting certain low complexity codecs like huffyuv or ffv1 |
| [04:15:13] | wagnerrp: | the ARM in the raspberry pi cannot decode any modern video codec at 1080p in real time |
| [04:15:42] | wagnerrp: | it simply doesnt have the power |
| [04:16:19] | ertyu-m: | it might just be able to move HD-SDI around |
| [04:16:48] | wagnerrp: | well thats uncompressed, so its just shifting bits from one interface to another |
| [04:19:49] | ertyu-m: | does anyone encode 1080p in mpeg2? |
| [04:20:21] | wagnerrp: | ATSC supports it in theory, but no one uses it |
| [04:20:27] | wagnerrp: | it shows up on some older bluray |
| [04:21:54] | ertyu-m: | have you ever done much with transport streams? |
| [04:22:14] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [04:22:29] | ertyu-m: | heh, good |
| [04:22:45] | ertyu-m: | it's a digital protocol designed by analog video engineers, very painful |
| [04:23:11] | wagnerrp: | Talladega Nights.m2ts.... 24.5 Mbps (35.0 Mbps), 1920*1080 (16:9), at 23.976 fps, MPEG Video (Version 2) (Main@High) (BVOP) |
| [04:23:49] | lapion: | wagnerrp, I am having problems with mythtranscoder, it keeps on growing in ram untill the file is done transcoding, if the resulting transcode doesn't fit in ram, it aborts and truncates the resulting file. |
| [04:24:42] | lapion: | al the while it is writing to the tmp file as well as filling up ram. |
| [04:24:49] | wagnerrp: | youve mentioned that a couple times in the past few days, cant say ive seen any such behavior |
| [04:25:00] | wagnerrp: | but then ive never done lossy transcodes with mythtranscode |
| [04:25:03] | wagnerrp: | (nor do i ever intend to) |
| [04:26:02] | lapion: | I am talkign about lossless transcoding. |
| [04:26:24] | wagnerrp: | i thought you mentioned you were doing nuvs |
| [04:26:52] | lapion: | yeah lossless transcoding of nuvs |
| [04:27:00] | wagnerrp: | erm... no such thing |
| [04:27:33] | wagnerrp: | the lossless transcoder only operates from MPEG2 to MPEG2 |
| [04:33:19] | ertyu-m: | what does that end up doing? |
| [04:34:08] | wagnerrp: | clips everything out between the cut points, and backfills I-frames in any areas that lose their keyframe |
| [04:34:39] | wagnerrp: | it may fill any modified GOP with i-frames |
| [04:34:53] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how well MPEG2 deals with changing structure |
| [04:35:14] | ertyu-m: | what's a cut point? |
| [04:35:25] | wagnerrp: | start up a recording and hit 'e' |
| [04:35:32] | wagnerrp: | goes into edit mode, and lets you define cut points |
| [04:35:44] | ertyu-m: | ok, thats what I thought |
| [04:35:49] | wagnerrp: | 'z' allows you to load the list predicted by the commercial detector |
| [04:36:15] | ertyu-m: | so it strips commercials or what ever else is marked and fixes the mpeg |
| [04:36:31] | wagnerrp: | has to be manually marked, or manually imported |
| [04:36:44] | wagnerrp: | it will not automatically use the detection list |
| [04:37:02] | wagnerrp: | it also converts from a TS to a PS |
| [04:37:22] | wagnerrp: | so between the redundancy loss, and the commercials, it usually amounts to a 35–40% reduction in size |
| [04:37:33] | ertyu-m: | transport streams have a tolerance in the nanosecond range for jitter on the timestamp, random thought |
| [04:41:14] | ertyu-m: | I did a lot of work on ASI products and transport streams in the past, a few SDI products also |
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| [05:31:34] | lwizardl: | anyone around ? |
| [05:32:54] | lwizardl: | I am trying to configure my system to record from the S-Video input only. No cable/antenna/sat signals currently. The card is the WinTV-HVR-1600 model 1101 |
| [05:33:10] | lwizardl: | trying to set it do i can record game play videos |
| [05:33:33] | wagnerrp: | use v4l2-ctl to select the input |
| [05:33:40] | wagnerrp: | and cat to record off the input |
| [05:33:52] | wagnerrp: | dont bother with mythtv |
| [05:34:39] | lwizardl: | well I used the mythbuntu disc to setup my system |
| [05:34:47] | wagnerrp: | ok? |
| [05:35:11] | lwizardl: | it says failed to open on the v4l type in mythtv |
| [05:35:28] | wagnerrp: | sounds like file permissions |
| [05:36:16] | lwizardl: | k |
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| [09:43:29] | sid3windr: | anyone know the difference between a Hauppauge HD PVR and an HD PVR Gaming edition? Missing IR blaster on the latter or so? |
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| [10:00:14] | dekarl: | sid3windr: from the product page it appears to come with different cabling and cooler looks. This review calls it "just a repackaged HDPVR" http://www.destructoid.com/review-hauppauge-h . . . 224774.phtml |
| [10:02:02] | sid3windr: | yeah, I see it has an IR blaster connection at the back on the pictures too, but I don't see ir blaster in the specs, where with regular hdpvr it is mentioned |
| [10:02:18] | sid3windr: | at hauppauge they cost exactly the same though |
| [10:02:22] | sid3windr: | so you may be right :) |
| [10:02:30] | sid3windr: | local shops here have the gamer edition cheaper |
| [10:02:49] | sid3windr: | gamer edition seems to have green leds, makes it look like an xbox perhaps |
| [10:03:52] | sid3windr: | I don't see a blaster on the picture on that site either though |
| [10:05:29] | dekarl: | while I don't see the blaster in the specs it has the output clearly labeled in the connector diagram http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr-gaming.html |
| [10:06:02] | dekarl: | so you lose the IR cable and get a PS3/Xbox360 component video cable + green leds! |
| [10:08:41] | sid3windr: | yeah |
| [10:08:52] | sid3windr: | except I don't need the ps3/xbox/wii cable and do need the blaster! hehe |
| [10:09:10] | sid3windr: | just wondering as I have my eye on a cheap one on ebay but it doesn't clearly say which version it is |
| [10:09:54] | sid3windr: | $6.95 for the blaster at hauppauge, I guess that's ok. as long as shipping isn't 210 billion eur |
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