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Tuesday, July 10th, 2012, 00:06 UTC

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jello:

hello, can someone help me with my input layer? everything (eg. arrow keys) is being doubled.

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jello:

this is in mythfrontend

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[R]:

keyboard? remote?

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jello:

[R]: both

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jello:

or either

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[R]:

hrm, double input when suing the keyboard sounds weird

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[R]:

it works outside of myth?

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jello:

yep

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jello:

just fine, as you can see :)

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[R]:

you're not running lirc against your keyboard are you?

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jello:

[R]: err, i don't think so

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[R]:

well stop lirc

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jello:

easy enough

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** jello tries... **

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jello:

[R]: no luck

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jello:

oh, wait a minute, may still be running

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jello:

[R]: yep, stopping lirc fixed it.

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jello:

[R]: okay, so how do i make lirc behave?

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[R]:

configure it properly

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jello:

heh

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jello:

[R]: strange, i just restarted lirc without changing anything and it behaves now

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jello:

weird

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jello:

[R]: is there documentation on configuring lirc for use with mythtv?

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[R]:

lirc is lirc

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jello:

[R]: is there any way to move the "Watch Live TV" back to the main menu?

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jello:

an option or somesuch...

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[R]:

theres a menu theme

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jello:

is that different than a display theme (like arclight)?

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[R]:

yes

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[R]:

hence why i said 'menu theme'

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jello:

got it, thanks!

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jello:

2012-07–09 23:01:19.941811 E ALSA: Unable to set buffer time 500000: Invalid argument

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jello:

2012-07–09 23:01:19.941820 E ALSA: Unable to set ALSA parameters: Invalid argument

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jello:

anyone know why mythtv is giving me these errors all of a sudden?

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jello:

jya: this was working this morning, any ideas?

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jya:

start mythfrontend with the argument -O ALSABufferOverride=400

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jya:

there's definitely an issue with the alsa drivers and you're card

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jello:

no help...

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jello:

2012-07–09 23:05:28.913311 E ALSA: Unable to set buffer time 400000: Invalid argument

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jello:

2012-07–09 23:05:28.913319 E ALSA: Unable to set ALSA parameters: Invalid argument

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jya:

try different valueâ€¦ or reboot

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jya:

like -O ALSABufferOverride=300

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jello:

i'll try a reboot...

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jello:

jya: reboot didn't help

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jya:

jello: did you reboot the PC while your amp was off?

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jello:

the amp is (almost) always on

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jya:

when you go into setup -> Audio, go through the device, is there anything showing as connected?

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jya:

you must have changed somethingâ€¦ it just doesn't stop to work like that

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jello:

jya: yep, shows connected

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jya:

and test work?

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jello:

speaker-test works, mythtv says card is invalid or not useable

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jya:

you'll find that mplayer wouldn't work either

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jello:

vlc works, now to try mplayer

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jya:

try starting mythfrontend with -O ALSABufferOverride=400, 350, 300, 250 until you find one that works

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jello:

jya: 100 works

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jello:

127 doesn't

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jello:

jya: 113 is the highest number that works

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jello:

can i put this in a config somewhere?

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jello:

jya: mplayer works fine

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jya:

must not be using alsa then...

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jello:

jya: no, i think it is...

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jya:

cause mplayer set the alsa card *exactly* like I do in myth

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jya:

then either not the same alsa card or the device you used in myth

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jello:

AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 1ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)

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jya:

doesn't say what device it is using

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jya:

lodge a bug on trac that you need to use ALSABufferOverride from the command line.. to remind me to add a GUI to set it permanentlyâ€¦ so far I only know of two people who have needed that setting

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jya:

output the log of mythfrontend with -v audio,playback â€¦ i want to see how it opens the card . mplayer opens it as monoâ€¦ myth will open it as stereo or 5.0 if you have enabled upmixing

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jello:

jya: i just tried mplayer with -ao alsa:device=hdmi=0.1

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jello:

it works fine

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jya:

that's not the same audio device you use in myth is it ?

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jello:

yes, it is

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jello:

not the same movie file

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jello:

but the same device

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jya:

(it's not, you use Card=blah)..

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jello:

yeah, but it's the same thing

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jya:

sighâ€¦ it's with the same file you need to try of course.

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jya:

here you're trying a mono file

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jello:

ah

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jello:

jya: how do i find out which file mythtv is using?

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jya:

and as I wrote just above, myth will not play a mono file if you've set the default upmixer

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jya:

try:

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jello:

front & back on the same box

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jya:

mythavtest file_you_play_with_mplayer

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jya:

mythavtest -v audio,playback file_you_play_with_mplayer

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jello:

jya: yeah, that worked

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jya:

there you go...

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jya:

the alsa drivers and setting up the size of the alsa buffer its behaviour is highly dependent on the file you are trying to play..

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jello:

i see

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jya:

so speaker-test would use a 32kHz sampleâ€¦ I use 48kHz

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jello:

how do i figure out which file is the show i'm having the problem with?

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jya:

when you play the file

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jya:

press Menu -> Playback -> Playback data

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jya:

the file name is show

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jya:

it would also appear in the log

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jya:

but you knowâ€¦ I'm fairly confident about what I'm sayingâ€¦ if it doesn't play in myth, it won't play in mplayer eitherâ€¦ we share the same code for setting up the code.

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jya:

as for VLC, I'm not sure what they are doing

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jello:

jya: sorry, it works with mplayer

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jya:

even the value you use for ALSABufferOverride would likely change depending on what you are trying to playâ€¦ ultimately â€¦ we're trying to get an issue around ALSA hereâ€¦ it's screwed up.. can't do much

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jello:

jya: but it works fine in mplayer

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jello:

same file

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jello:

same device

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jya:

don't believe you :)

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jya:

something must be different

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jello:

okay

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jello:

you're probably right, but how do i discover where the difference is

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jya:

you output the logs !

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jya:

you've given me nothing here...

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jya:

so play the file with:

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jya:

mythavtest -v audio,playback blah.mpg

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jya:

post the output somewhere

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jya:

then do mplayer blah.mpg (same file) and post the output somewhere

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jello:

jya: http://paste.debian.net/178404/

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jello:

that's mythavtest

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jello:

how do i make mplayer log verbosely?

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** wagnerrp misses CHAOS **

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jello:

jya: mplayer => http://paste.debian.net/178405/

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jya:

-msglevel=7 ?

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jello:

used the command mplayer -msglevel all=6 -ao alsa:device=hdmi=0.1 /media/MythTV/65438_20120227135900.mpg

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jello:

jya: i can redo at level 7 if you like

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jya:

jello: mplayer plays it as stereo: Channels: 2

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jya:

myth plays it as full 5.1

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jya:

try with mythavtest

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jello:

jya: i did use mythavtest

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jya:

mythavtest -v audio,playback -O MaxChannels=2 blah.mpg

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jya:

give me time to type !

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jello:

heh, sorry

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jya:

and you'll find you get audio out then.. as you'll know play just like what mplayer is doing

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jello:

jya: yep

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jya:

wellâ€¦ there you goâ€¦ so your choice : set a lower alsa buffer level, or set the number of channels in myth as stereo...

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jello:

jya: or get alsa fixed :)

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jya:

that's another possibility yes :)

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jya:

having said that.

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jya:

130ms you put is way too lowâ€¦ it won't play properly...

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jya:

that it fail with a value over 130ms doesn't mean anything

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jya:

it could work with 450ms but fail at 400

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jya:

it's not something like if you found it failed at 135, every value over 135 will fail

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jya:

you can try 600 and a value more than 500

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jello:

oh

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jello:

interesting

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jya:

with Intel drivers, it's often an issue with a value only working if it's a power of 2

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jya:

the size of the buffer , determine the size of a periodâ€¦ it's the size of the period that matters.

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jya:

a period is how often the audio card will generate an interrupt

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jello:

ah

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jya:

we try to have a period of 1/4th of the audio buffer

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jya:

you have 6 channels here

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jya:

16 bits

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jya:

(could be 32 bits if it's decoded AC3)

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jya:

so try finding a value that is a multiple of 2, 6 and 4

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jello:

so a multiple of 12

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jello:

600 didn't work

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jya:

I think 600 should do

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jya:

having said that, I've never understood the logic of some of the driversâ€¦ this is a problem in the kernel, how a card works can be very different than another

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jya:

so there's no general rule that work for all of them

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jya:

alsa folks would know

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jello:

jya: what do i need to ask the alsa folks?

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jya:

tell them that calling snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_time_near with a value of anything between 500 and 130 fail with the error "invalid argument"

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jya:

it shouldn't ever failâ€¦ _near is specifically for asking alsa to give us a value *near* that amountâ€¦ doesn't mean will get that amount, but it should never fail

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jya:

it should give the best value near what we asked for

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jya:

and here, you get a maximum buffer size of 5461

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jya:

what's that value anyway...

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jello:

jya: huh, where do you see 5461?

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jello:

hello, i'm having a problem with mythtv, it's calling snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_time_near() with values between 113 and 500 and getting the error Invalid argument, help!

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jya:

in the log.

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jya:

ALSA: Buffer size range from 22 to 5461

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jello:

jya: that's what i posted in #alsa, we'll see

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jya:

I've joined the channel.

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k-man:

why is the .26 release cycle much shorter than .25 was? is it just that its a less ambitious set of changes?

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wagnerrp:

feature release, cleanup release

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wagnerrp:

actually, we want to try for shorter cycles, but kind of fell through between 0.24->0.25

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k-man:

ah i see

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jya:

damn that Qt gives me the creep. the way it closes a TCP connection, is no closing at all really. it nevers sends a FIN or ACK to states that it was closed looking at the tcpdump

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wagnerrp:

worth subclassing that stuff in ourselves?

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jya:

good luck implementing a TCP socket abstraction layer for all the platforms out there

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wagnerrp:

heh

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jya:

looking at the communication between my apple TV and my two iOS device.

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Beirdo:

jya: we have two platforms, really

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jya:

as soon as a new device connects , the Apple TV close the connection with the first device, and send a RESET after receiving the ACK from the peer.

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Beirdo:

UNIX, Windows

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Beirdo:

all the UNIX variants use pretty much identical socket layers

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Beirdo:

and windows ain't far off (since NT 3.51)

[04:20:24]

Beirdo:

so...

[04:20:46]

jello:

jya: is there a mythtv dev list I should cc when I email alsa-dev?

[04:21:11]

Beirdo:

I mean, really... TCP sockets are a well-known quantity

[04:21:44]

jya:

with myth, I close the TCP socket, and in tcpdump I see that it continues to send ICMP packet continuously.

[04:21:45]

Beirdo:

but anyways, Qt has its sucky points for sure :)

[04:21:59]

Beirdo:

craptacular

[04:22:55]

jya:

it continues to send ICMP packet "destination unreachable" becase the iOS device keep sending stuff.

[04:23:15]

Beirdo:

you sure that it missed the FIN?

[04:23:28]

Beirdo:

oh wait, is it even TCP rather than UDP? :)

[04:23:49]

wagnerrp:

well you know those Finnish, so easy to miss sometimes

[04:24:17]

jya:

Beirdo there are 3 data channels: one control TCP, and two data UDP

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Beirdo:

which is giving the ICMP?

[04:25:07]

jya:

the myth host is responding with ICMP whenever the iOS device sends a UDP packet

[04:25:17]

jya:

I've closed all the channels

[04:25:23]

Beirdo:

OK, so it has closed the UDP channel

[04:25:33]

Beirdo:

and the IOS side is being stupid about it

[04:25:57]

Beirdo:

that's the proper response to a closed UDP socket :)

[04:26:00]

jya:

yeah. iTunes does detect the connection as being closed and you see that with the control bar showing it stopped

[04:26:05]

jya:

the iOs keep sending

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Beirdo:

weird

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Beirdo:

sounds more like an iOs oddity so far, but I could be missing something

[04:27:00]

jya:

the difference I see when communicating with the ATV, is that it sends a FIN, the iOS responds with ACK, and the ATV respond with RST

[04:27:07]

Beirdo:

did we miss telling them to shut down?

[04:27:19]

jya:

from that point on, there's no data flowing from the iOS device

[04:27:30]

Beirdo:

so the problem is not closing the TCP control socket properly?

[04:28:22]

jya:

with Qt and Myth.. disconnection goes like this:

[04:30:06]

jya:

myth -> [FIN,ACK], iOS -> [ACK] , myth -> [FIN,ACK], iOS -> [ACK]

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Beirdo:

ummm.

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Beirdo:

one moment

[04:31:19]

Beirdo:

that should be closed then

[04:32:16]

Beirdo:

oh, iOS never sent back a FIN at all?

[04:32:17]

jya:

after that point, the iOS send the UDP packet as if nothing happened, and the myth's host replies with ICMP destination unreachable

[04:32:52]

Beirdo:

and did iOS send a FIN before myth sent a FIN,ACK?

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jya:

the myth device is initiating the disconnection here

[04:33:21]

jya:

let me check

[04:33:38]

jya:

I'm not very familiar with wireshark

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Beirdo:

OK, so it sounds like iOS is misbehaving then

[04:33:59]

wagnerrp:

think tcpdump with a gui

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Beirdo:

when Myth sends fin/ack, it should send back a fin/ack

[04:34:02]

jya:

but it's pretty coolâ€¦ I wish I had set up that system before â€¦ I can see all the ATV is doing

[04:34:22]

Beirdo:

it can send them separately, but it needs to send both

[04:34:30]

jya:

no, it doesn't send back a FIN

[04:35:05]

Beirdo:

then it's borked

[04:35:23]

Beirdo:

according to the documentation I've read so far. :)

[04:35:32]

jya:

now go and try to report that bug to apple.. I can see how it would goâ€¦ Okay, so Im trying to bypass your MFi license and reverse engineer your AppleTV protocolâ€¦ It seems to me that the iOS client doesn't properly respond to a FIN packet

[04:36:13]

Beirdo:

heheh, so true

[04:36:18]

wagnerrp:

youre a "security researcher" and not closing connections properly is a "security flaw"

[04:37:04]

jya:

having said that, I posted the bug about the iOS loosing 50ms whenever it sent a FLUSH commandâ€¦ and they've been responding so far, and asking question and sending me tools to perform additional data capture !

[04:37:14]

Beirdo:

nice

[04:37:25]

Beirdo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Con . . . _termination

[04:37:53]

Beirdo:

as far as I see there, sending FIN/ACK is valid (it's just combining an ACK and a FIN)

[04:38:03]

jya:

yeah, it doe seem that it never send a FIN

[04:38:04]

Beirdo:

but the other side needs to send back both...

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Beirdo:

or a RST

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jya:

want to have a look at my tcpdump data?

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Beirdo:

sure, if ya want

[04:41:25]

Beirdo:

what does netstat say the state of the sockets are, BTW?

[04:41:29]

jya:

http://www.avenard.org/files/mythtv/airplay-myth.tgz

[04:43:07]

jya:

in that log: 192.168.10.10 is the mythfrontend host, 192.168.10.30 is the ipad, 192.168.10.31 is the iPhoneâ€¦. I did as follow: iPhone start playing audio on myth, then iPad starts playing audio. Myth disconnect with the iPhone and start playing the iPad.

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Beirdo:

OK, cueing Weeds. Let's see this dump

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jya:

having said thatâ€¦ here I see myth host doing: [FIN,ACK], iOS: [ACK], myth: [FIN,ACK], iOS [ACK]

[04:44:58]

jya:

why does myth sends two FIN in a row ?

[04:45:36]

jya:

it occurs at packet no 958

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Beirdo:

likely as it didn't get the FIN

[04:46:59]

jya:

shouldn't it wait a bit more?

[04:47:13]

jya:

here is the same config: http://www.avenard.org/files/mythtv/airplay.tgz but between the two iOS device and an ATV2

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Beirdo:

heh, you might want -s 0 on your tcpdump if you want to grab the whole packet

[04:49:11]

Beirdo:

but anyways...

[04:49:39]

Beirdo:

that's why there are so many "malformed packets" in case you were wondering

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jya:

what does -s 0 does?

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jya:

I started tcpdump with: tcpdump -s 0 -U -n -i br0 -w – src 192.168.10.107 or dst 192.168.10.107 or src fe80::2ae7:cfff:fee7:cdf3 or dst fe80::2ae7:cfff:fee7:cdf3

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jya:

those are the IP addresses of the ATV

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Beirdo:

hmm, OK.

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Beirdo:

-s 0 says take the entire packet

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jya:

and for tracking between the two iOS device and myth I used:

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jya:

tcpdump -s 0 -U -n -i br0 -w – src 192.168.10.30 or dst 192.168.10.31 or src 192.168.10.31 or dst 192.168.10.31

[04:51:28]

jya:

192.168.10.107 is the ATV IP address, and the IPv6 address of it

[04:51:45]

jya:

when using the two iOS, it only uses IPv4

[04:52:02]

jya:

but iTunes uses IPv6 on the link-local address

[04:52:13]

jya:

soâ€¦ do I lodge a bug with apple ?

[04:52:32]

Beirdo:

not sure yet

[04:52:38]

jya:

I wonder how I'm going to phrase it and not make it obvious I'm sniffing their data

[04:52:43]

Beirdo:

digging through this :)

[04:53:03]

jya:

knowing I have a MFi account with them puts me in a difficult position

[04:53:14]

jya:

ohhhâ€¦ I could always claim that it's part of the mfi dev :)

[04:53:28]

jya:

and tracking why our device doesn't behave the same as their ATV !

[04:55:19]

jya:

oh.. mountain lion GM is availableâ€¦ ok while you look into this, Ill upgradeâ€¦ maybe this will fix my multiple kernel panic a day whenever I compile myth !

[04:55:33]

Beirdo:

so, filtering on tcp.stream eq 6

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Beirdo:

I see that .10 sends .21 a RST about 2s after the FIN, ACK

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jya:

which packet # is that ?

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jya:

with myth or the ATV?

[04:56:35]

Beirdo:

but yeah, don't see any FIN coming back

[04:56:38]

Beirdo:

1825

[04:56:40]

Beirdo:

myth

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jya:

ah okâ€¦ not sure.. I never looked in that partâ€¦ I only looked right around the time I'm doing the connection with the new device

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Beirdo:

it seems to close it, just in an odd way, and a bit slow

[04:58:21]

Beirdo:

the way I found it, BTW... go to one of the packets in the connection you are interested in

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Beirdo:

right click and Follow TCP Stream

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Beirdo:

:)

[04:58:51]

Beirdo:

filters out only that one connection

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jya:

cool !!

[05:00:21]

jya:

damnâ€¦ I wish I had known that earlier !

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Beirdo:

wireshark is a very powerful tool :)

[05:00:43]

jya:

I've spent about two days tracing the exchange using logs :)

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Beirdo:

aye carumba :)

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jya:

ahâ€¦ so the ATV send a TEARDOWN rtsp:// message

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Beirdo:

welcome to the new tools :)

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jya:

when it's about to close

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jya:

ah noâ€¦ it's the iOS device

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Beirdo:

yup

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jya:

or is it ?

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jya:

what's red, what's blue ?

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jya:

looking at the ATV exchange here

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Beirdo:

which stream?

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jya:

I select 107 -> 31 (packet 660 in the ATV dump).

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jya:

right click follow tcp stream

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jya:

I'm guessing the blue is the ATV

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Beirdo:

OK

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Beirdo:

the red is the one that opened the connection

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jya:

ok.. so the iOS device

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Beirdo:

and the blue is the one connected to replying

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Beirdo:

well, that's different.

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Beirdo:

on the mythtv one, you start with an options ping

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jya:

ok.. so here we have the iOS device initiating the shutdown

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Beirdo:

and on the ATV one, it was a post

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jya:

the current RAOP code was done by tracking the exchange between an Airport Express and iTunes

[05:09:15]

jya:

so there are differencesâ€¦ I only started to look at the ATV because it handle the change of clients. while the Airport Express just tell you "already one client connected"

[05:10:05]

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jya:

also I may not have started exactly the same between the twoâ€¦ myth is using the older protocol that uses RSA to encrypt packet

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Beirdo:

likely a newer version of the protocol

[05:10:43]

jya:

when the ATV uses a newer one. when using the newer one also, the iOS sends some metadata.

[05:10:55]

jya:

using RSA I don't get metadata from iOS , but I do from iTunes.

[05:11:10]

jya:

unfortunately, the newer apple encryption stuff hasn't been decoded yet.

[05:11:17]

Beirdo:

heh

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jya:

it's this SDP stuff

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

that's to bring up the RTSP

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Beirdo:

same as SIP uses

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jya:

the iOS -> ATV is also mp4, while iOS -> Myth and Airport is ALAC

[05:13:12]

Beirdo:

yeah

[05:13:14]

jya:

ohâ€¦ it outputs an "event_port"

[05:13:15]

Beirdo:

I noticed that

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jya:

I wonder if that's what's required to receive the information that the device is disconnecting

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Beirdo:

could be

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Beirdo:

it's likely the SETUP rtsp packet sent is different

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jya:

maybe, me searching for the RST bit is just a side behaviour and has nothing to do with why the device is disconnecting

[05:15:12]

jya:

I'll never be ready on time for the feature freeze :(

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Beirdo:

still a lot better than it was going into 0.25

[05:15:55]

Beirdo:

nothing saying we can't do 0.26.1 a little later to smooth out the last bugs (hopefully last!)

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jya:

maybe the iOS device isn't disconnecting because we simulate the older RAOP protocol, which with the airport express, only ever accept only one client at a time and refuses new one..

[05:18:21]

jya:

could be simple as that

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

that could be

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jya:

oooh? you found something?

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Beirdo:

Session: MYTHTV

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Beirdo:

rather than Session: 1

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jya:

that's my gentle touch to differentiate use from the rest

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Beirdo:

it might need it to be 1

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jya:

ohâ€¦ you mean it could be why it's different?

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jya:

maybe even put a random number

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Beirdo:

could be

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jya:

so it's not always the same

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Beirdo:

yeah, but it may actually want numeric

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Beirdo:

wouldn't be too surprising

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jya:

it's Session: 1 between the two sessions

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jya:

for both the iPad and iPhone

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jya:

wonder what's going on this event_port

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's odd

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jya:

funny it puts CSeq at the end of the packetâ€¦ I clearly remember I had to put it halfway as this was the reason it didn't work with the ATV

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Beirdo:

heh

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jya:

those ports are used for UDP connection by the client...

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jya:

so only to receive

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Beirdo:

it seemed to not care for the second options *

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Beirdo:

or maybe something else

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jya:

I think my SSD is getting screwy.. only one year old. I'm copying a 4.5GB file at 81MB/s between the SSD and a SATA 2 Hard diskâ€¦ and 6MB/s between two folder on the SSD

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Beirdo:

you might wanna put in the event_port on the response back to the iPhone from mythtv

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Beirdo:

see what it wants to send :)

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jya:

I'm in the middle of doing so

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Beirdo:

cool

[05:35:38]

jya:

that's one thing nice about Qtâ€¦ doing such thing is trivial

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jya:

I still reckon something is dodgy with the FIN

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Beirdo:

wouldn't surprise me

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jya:

you think I should report the problem?

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jya:

I think I willâ€¦ see how it goes.

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Beirdo:

the event_port seems to be a TCP port

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Beirdo:

and it didn't do squat with it other than open it and close it

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jya:

is it ?

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jya:

I see that the ATV searched for the iTunes_Ctrl service via Bonjour.

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jya:

this is the iTunes remote control service, that let you control iTunes and send play/pause/stop etcâ€¦ you can query for the iTunes library connection etc

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Beirdo:

just going by the port number from the iOS dump, and it's the only matching connection by port number

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jya:

going offline while I try to upgrade

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Beirdo:

Ugh, I think I'll go to bed.

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jya:

back..

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mcpish:

anyway to stream live stream a Mythtv backend to a PS3 (not just recordings, but actual live channels)?

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jya:

Beirdo: ref #10890.. even if the cd caused an error, why the two bin ?

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10890 **

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jya:

Beirdo: do you see anything in the tcpdump data showing that somehow the ATV is sending some information to the iPhone so it stops playback?

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wizbit:

mythmetadatalookup & mythpreviewgen create a _LOT_ of logs

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wizbit:

is that normal?

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wagnerrp:

one file each time it runs

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sphery:

wizbit: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Logging#Log_file_cleanup + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Log_Rotat . . . ration_Files

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sphery:

or, if you want to control log file naming (and mash log output from multiple unrelated files together into the same file where it's unreadable, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Logging#syslog_Logging )

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im going to hold off on the scanner, and shove it in a feature branch to be merged after release, so i can finish a number of other things instead

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plut0:

anyone familiar with the hdhr3?

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wagnerrp:

no real difference in operation from the HDHR1/2

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wagnerrp:

besides you no longer need an external splitter/amp

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plut0:

does it have an out interface to watch tv from them?

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wagnerrp:

no, it is a capture device

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plut0:

ok

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plut0:

does it require the cablecard or it can it work off the coax?

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR3 does not support cablcard

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tgm4883:

plut0, you are thinking of the HDHR Prime http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/prime/

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plut0:

SiliconDust HDHR3-CC HDHomeRun PRIME CableCARD TV tuners

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plut0:

thats what i'm looking at

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plut0:

yes

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tgm4883:

plut0, HDHR3-CC != HDHR3

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wagnerrp:

theres the HDHR3, and the HDHR3-CC (or HDHomeRun Prime)

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plut0:

ok

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR3 is just the 3rd generation ATSC/ClearQAM tuner

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tgm4883:

iirc, rhpot1991 has one

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tgm4883:

I've ordered one from woot today

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wagnerrp:

3 or P?

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tgm4883:

Prime

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plut0:

and the HDHR3-CC works off the cablecard?

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wagnerrp:

that is its intended operation, yes

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tgm4883:

129.99 on woot today, although if you have a Frys around you can get it for 119

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wagnerrp:

if you do not give it a cablecard, it operates like a triple tuner HDHomeRun

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wagnerrp:

although for clearqam only, it does not do ATSC at all

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plut0:

gotcha

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plut0:

is that their high end product?

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wagnerrp:

not sure if that's an applicable term

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wagnerrp:

since the HDHR and HDHRP are for two different purposes

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plut0:

the prime does everything the hdhr does, no?

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wagnerrp:

no, it does not do ATSC

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plut0:

ok

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tgm4883:

plut0, if you are looking to spend more money, there is also the HDHR3–6CC-3X2 http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/hdhr3-6cc-3x2/

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plut0:

i just saw that one

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tgm4883:

You know, if you want to spend 2X as much to have it all in a single box

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rhpot1991:

I have the 3cc prime, not the 3rd gen hdhr

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rhpot1991:

actually I think thats 2nd gen not 3rd

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rhpot1991:

unless gen 2 looked the same (white box) as gen 1

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rhpot1991:

current hdhr gen don't have ir receivers either

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plut0:

any good alternatives to the HDHR3-CC?

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devinheitmueller:

plut0: the HDHR3-CC is probably the best product out there for what it does.

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plut0:

ok

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devinheitmueller:

They don't care about IR receive since you're unlikely to have the box immediately next to the PC, and IR blasting isn't an issue at all since you wouldn't need to control a set top box when you have a CableCard interface at your disposal.

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plut0:

how does mythtv control it?

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devinheitmueller:

via the hdhomerun protocol.

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plut0:

ethernet?

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devinheitmueller:

It's a homegrown protocol that they created, but there is a GPL'd library.

[15:30:26]

devinheitmueller:

Yes, over Ethernet.

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plut0:

gotcha

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devinheitmueller:

The control messages are sent over the hdhomerun protocol, and the actual stream comes back via either UDP or RTP (depending on how you configure it)

[15:34:15]

plut0:

and this will work with fios?

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devinheitmueller:

Yes.

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plut0:

great

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devinheitmueller:

You just need to get Verizon to provide you a Cablecard (which costs $3.99/month)

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plut0:

yeah i saw that

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rhpot1991:

devinheitmueller: sure the first isn't free like comcast?

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devinheitmueller:

rhpot1991: yes, I am sure. I actually have FIOS.

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devinheitmueller:

Before you go comparing the cost of the cablecard to the cost of a set top box, just remember that it can actually record up to three streams at the same time (assuming you have an HDHR prime).

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plut0:

yeah i'm trying to avoid the set top box

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devinheitmueller:

Hence to get an apples-to-apples comparison, you would have to compare the $3.99 cost against the cost of three set top boxes.

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plut0:

more like cablecard vs. dvr

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plut0:

dvr costs even more

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wagnerrp:

in the future, maybe 0.27 or so, the HDHRP along with the DCR-2650 (Prime by another name) and InfiniTV will all be controlled through the OCUR protocol

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wagnerrp:

but since all three devices work currently, and there are no new, incompatible products on the horizon, its not a very high priority

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plut0:

if i used something like a wd hd live as a frontend, can you watch live tv from that?

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plut0:

devinheitmueller: you see the price is going up on fios for renting digital adapters and set top boxes?

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devinheitmueller:

plut0: I did not see that. However I have neither digital adaptors nor settop boxes.

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wagnerrp:

no, mythtv has no mechanism for providing livetv through anything other than its own internal protocol

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J-e-f-f-A:

plut0: what?!?

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devinheitmueller:

(unless you're suggesting they are raising the price of cablecards as well)

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plut0:

Beginning July 15, 2012, the monthly rate for FiOS set top boxes, digital adapters, set top boxes in equipment packages and Multi-Room DVRs in equipment packages will increase approximately $2.00 per box. In NY/N-NJ/CT, only the monthly rate for digital adapters and set top boxes in equipment packages will increase approximately $2.00 per box.

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wagnerrp:

and the WDTV does not speak mythtv's internal protocol

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plut0:

wagnerrp: thank you

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wagnerrp:

there has been some effort to making livetv available over HLS

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wagnerrp:

but its not there yet

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devinheitmueller:

Every other week I get a notice telling me they're dropping channels. If they raise the price of cablecards I will be calling them to disconnect service.

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: as far as I know the WDTV doesn't support HLS.

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wagnerrp:

why would they drop channels? its not like they're lacking for bandwidth

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: I assume it's because of carriage fees.

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J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: eek, what market are you in? I haven't seen any such notices for my market (Boston)

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devinheitmueller:

J-e-f-f-A: New York City. I got a notice two days ago telling me they were dropping CNBC and another channel.

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wagnerrp:

isnt cnbc practically free?

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plut0:

i'm upstate ny, i don't have fios though, just considering it

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: "practically" is a subjective term.

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wagnerrp:

i guess if few people are actually watching it....

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devinheitmueller:

If they can charge the same price to customers and not pay the fee, why would they carry it?

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plut0:

entertainment is too expensive

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J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: I guess I could care less about cnbc – but I don't like the idea of them dropping ANY channels.

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plut0:

back to what i asked earlier, so you could potentially use the hdhr3-cc without a cablecard and be able to view unencrypted channels?

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devinheitmueller:

J-e-f-f-A: Oh I agree. I will not miss it when it's gone. Still, it's not like they are dropping my price in proportion to the channel elimination.

[15:46:35]

devinheitmueller:

I don't really watch much TV. The only reason I got FIOS TV in the first place was so I would have a test signal for driver development.

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J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: Well, I thank you for that. ;-) ;-) ;-)

[15:49:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

I think I'd go into withdrawal without many of my favorite shows on USA Network... D'oh!

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plut0:

what's this tuning adapter i see for cablecards?

[15:50:12]

wagnerrp:

ever heard of switched cable networks?

[15:50:26]

plut0:

no

[15:50:28]

wagnerrp:

only the channels that are actually being used by cable boxes, and sent over the wire

[15:50:37]

devinheitmueller:

As far as I know, FIOS doesn't use tuning adapters anywhere.

[15:50:50]

wagnerrp:

means you can make more channels available, or reserve more bandwidth for internet/phone usage

[15:51:01]

wagnerrp:

since you're not broadcasting everything, all the time

[15:51:28]

wagnerrp:

problem is, cablecard tuners are not capable of communicating in the manner necessary for switched mode networks to operate

[15:51:46]

wagnerrp:

so the cablecard tuner tells the tuning adapter to tell the headend you want that channel

[15:51:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

thus – similar to 'on demand' services.

[15:52:07]

wagnerrp:

and then the headend tells the tuning adatper which tells the cablecard tuner what physical channel and stream id it can be found on

[15:52:13]

devinheitmueller:

"Unidirectional" is what the "U" stands for in OCUR.

[15:52:29]

wagnerrp:

(maybe, that may be sent out with a broadcast table update the cablecard tuner can capture itself)

[15:52:47]

wagnerrp:

not sure the fine details

[15:52:58]

wagnerrp:

in any case, if you need a tuning adapter, you need a HDHomeRun Prime

[15:53:05]

plut0:

that's a bit confusing, is it required for some providers?

[15:53:16]

wagnerrp:

as the prime is expected to operate independently from the PC, so it has native support for the tuning adapters

[15:53:31]

devinheitmueller:

Different providers are rolling out tuning adapters at different rates. As I said, I don't think Verizon has any plans to adopt this.

[15:53:45]

wagnerrp:

with the DCR-2650 or InfiniTV, the PC and software DVR itself is supposed to manage the tuning adapter

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plut0:

i'm guessing time warner uses one though

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wagnerrp:

and there is no linux support for them

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, the reason you use tuning adapters is to conserve bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

youve got somwehere around 5Gbps of throughput, shared between cable, internet, and phone, for all users on that broadcast domain

[15:55:25]

wagnerrp:

the larger the domain, the more channels you have to allocate for internet/phone, and the fewer cable channels you can carry

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wagnerrp:

the smaller the domain, the more cable channels you have, but you significantly increase the cost of your network

[15:56:15]

wagnerrp:

with FiOS, cable and internet are each sent using their own dedicated carrier frequency

[15:56:25]

wagnerrp:

meaning cable has the full 5Gbps spectrum to play with

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wagnerrp:

so they dont have nearly the bandwidth crunch of a traditional cable provider

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plut0:

that why fios has much higher bandwidth for internet than time warner?

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wagnerrp:

because of the way the PON (passive optical network) for fiber operates, they are inherently constrained to a limited number of users on their network

[15:58:23]

wagnerrp:

and those users get dedicated throughput on that network

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plut0:

fios isn't shared like cable?

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gregL:

plut0, Saratoga here... The prime will do you no good here..Every thing is locked down on Time Warner..

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wagnerrp:

well it is, sort of...

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plut0:

gregL: oh yeah? whys that?

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wagnerrp:

do you know what time division multiplexing is?

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plut0:

no

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wagnerrp:

its one way to allow multiple users to operate simultaneously on a broadcast medium

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wagnerrp:

each user is allowed a single time slice at some interval

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gregL:

plut0, The only channels you can get are the locals... That is unless you want to switch over to Windows Media center..

[16:01:48]

plut0:

gregL: why won't it work from mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

with fios, they might provision you to 1/32nd to 1/128th of the total time on the wire

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wagnerrp:

you get that slice of a second, every second, for your traffic

[16:02:17]

wagnerrp:

if you dont use it, it goes unused

[16:02:30]

plut0:

wagnerrp: sounds like cpu sharing

[16:03:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

plut0: Linux doesn't/can't support DRM, so it can only record the channels marked "Copy Freely".

[16:03:39]

gregL:

plut0, They want you to rent the box..

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wagnerrp:

fiber is better than cable because once you have it installed, thats it, you're done

[16:04:12]

wagnerrp:

you never need to upgrade your lines again, just maintain/repair them

[16:04:33]

wagnerrp:

if you have too many people and need more bandwidth

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plut0:

J-e-f-f-A: you're saying some of the channels use drm?

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wagnerrp:

all you have to do is multiplex another laser town the line, and start using a new optical filter on new clients

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gregL:

plut0, all but locals.

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wagnerrp:

*down

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plut0:

wow what bullshit

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wagnerrp:

right now, FiOS is using three frequencies for traffic, cable down, internet down, internet up

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason tomorrow they couldnt simply start using two internet down, and two internet up

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wagnerrp:

you dont need any hardware in the middle, just hardware at the endpoints

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wagnerrp:

plut0: please watch the language

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plut0:

k

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Captain_Murdoch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavelength-division_multiplexing

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wizbit:

i dont believe it

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wizbit:

the backend has crashed again

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wizbit:

grrrrr

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wizbit:

what kind of stuff shall i grep in the mythbackend log?

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wizbit:

the process is still running:

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wizbit:

mythtv 1248 5.3 2.4 840792 93304 ? Ssl Jul09 74:35 /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v --noupnp --user mythtv --logpath /var/log/mythtv -p /var/run/mythbackend.pid -d

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wizbit:

the frontends seem to connect to it, but they cannot view any recordings or livetv etc

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wizbit:

if i killall -9 mythbackend and restart it its fine

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GreyFoxx:

w

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GreyFoxx:

oops :)

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wizbit:

in mythweb there are some hosts listed what are not used

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wizbit:

is there a way to clear them out?

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wagnerrp:

hosts listed where?

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wizbit:

in mythweb

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wagnerrp:

but... where?

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wizbit:

Edit settings for: [SET HOST]

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wizbit:

settings > mythttv

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wagnerrp:

dont even bother with them

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wagnerrp:

also, considering those are blind edits, with no application-side sanity checking

[18:20:21]

wizbit:

wagnerrp: i would do like to turn on telnet access on my backend

[18:20:23]

wagnerrp:

its generally better not to touch those at all

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wizbit:

but i dont have a screen

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wizbit:

its a headless bo

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wizbit:

x

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wizbit:

ok

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wagnerrp:

how would mythtv factor into that?

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wagnerrp:

seems like something completely independent of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

open up your inetd configuration, enable the telnet daemon

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wizbit:

when i first selected mythweb > database settings

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wizbit:

it took ages for the panel to come up

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wizbit:

so i did repair tables

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wizbit:

it seems a bit faster now

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: that telnet access is only for frontends?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no telnet access for anything

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wizbit:

the backend doesnt have telnet access?

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wizbit:

telnet localhost 6546

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wagnerrp:

yeah, doesnt exist

[18:23:19]

wizbit:

it does on my frontends

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wagnerrp:

no, it only appears to work

[18:23:33]

wizbit:

MythFrontend Network Control

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wagnerrp:

it does not actually work

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wizbit:

oh how comes?

[18:23:50]

wizbit:

i managed to switch tv channels with it

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wagnerrp:

because mythtv does not use telnet for any purpose

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wizbit:

it worked ok

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wagnerrp:

it only appeared to work, as you didnt do anything that triggered a fault

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wizbit:

i dont understand?

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wagnerrp:

telnet is a 7-bit text protocol, where the high 8th bit is used to indicate control codes

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wizbit:

ok

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wizbit:

i can even control mythmusic with it

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wizbit:

ideal for alarm clock in morning

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wagnerrp:

the frontend control socket is a unicode text socket

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wagnerrp:

meaning if you use telnet against it, bad things may happen should unicode come across the line

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wizbit:

i dont understand what you mean

[18:26:54]

wizbit:

my backend seems to last about a day

[18:27:05]

wizbit:

then the frontends cannot view recorings or watch live tv

[18:27:17]

wizbit:

maybe telnet is causing the problem?

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wagnerrp:

i mean.... we dont use telnet for anything, so you shouldnt use a telnet client to access mythtv

[18:27:19]

wagnerrp:

as bad things will happen

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wizbit:

ok ill do a test with my alarm clock

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** wizbit tests **

[18:28:28]

wizbit:

this is what wakes me up in the morning on joggler

[18:28:28]

wizbit:

https://paste.lugons.org/raw/NVO8rJ9NVRmydFUoC3IR/

[18:29:05]

wizbit:

ok joggler is on

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wizbit:

both frontends still work after alarm

[18:29:46]

wizbit:

wagnerrp: what client should i use to access mythtv?

[18:29:47]

wizbit:

nc ?

[18:30:02]

wagnerrp:

nc would work fine

[18:30:14]

wagnerrp:

a real programming language with a proper socket library would be better

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: could you re-write this for me please: https://paste.lugons.org/raw/NVO8rJ9NVRmydFUoC3IR/

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wagnerrp:

programming languages have libraries to do things internally, while batch languages expect you to chain together scripts externally

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wizbit:

ok

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wizbit:

is there a mythtv api libary

[18:31:32]

wizbit:

for a programming language?

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wizbit:

like python?

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** wizbit looks forward to wagnerrp alarm code :D **

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sascha_:

hi there

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sascha_:

how can manual triggreing mythfilldatabase --max-days 14 — '--days 14'

[18:34:04]

sascha_:

work just fine, but if i have --max-days 14 — '--days 14' as arguments in the mythfilldatabase part of mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

why manually trigger?

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sascha_:

this will not work

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wagnerrp:

cant mythfilldatabase determine the arguments it needs to send to the xmltv compliant grabber on its own?

[18:34:36]

sascha_:

without args itll be just ok, but i only get 5 days then

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sascha_:

dunno

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wagnerrp:

is there something in the grabber telling mythtv it only has five days to give?

[18:35:07]

sascha_:

i always put them in the mythtv-setup page under arguments

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sascha_:

not sure...

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sascha_:

where would i find the grabber?

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sascha_:

tv_grab_eu_epgdata

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wagnerrp:

you had to define it in mythtv-setup

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sascha_:

or the confug file for it

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** wizbit feels like a duck with a bad leg **

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wagnerrp:

'play channel 1' actually works? you dont have to give the full chanid?

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sphery:

in theory, any user-facing interface shouldn't be using channel ID, but should use channel number

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sascha_:

well in mythtv-setup i have defined of course which grabber to choose (tv_grab_eu_epgdata) gave it the pin and told it which chaNNELS TO USE

[18:40:14]

sascha_:

sorry for yelling, damn caps lock

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sphery:

so I hope network control (I assume that's what you were talking about) doesn't use channel ID

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sascha_:

but there's nothing i could tell mythfilldatabase to only update 5 days

[18:43:23]

wagnerrp:

wizbit: something like this... http://pastebin.com/XB1pMZS2

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sascha_:

the perlskript itself says:

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sascha_:

B<--days N> When grabbing, grab N days rather than 5.

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wagnerrp:

although i would want to add a classmethod to channel to allow lookup through channum or callsign

[18:43:48]

wagnerrp:

right now, its just the chanid

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sascha_:

so i presume, that 5 is the default

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sphery:

sascha_: you're using a broken grabber... please file a bug that tells your grabber dev to properly determine the appropriate number of days to grab

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wagnerrp:

i would want to have that method automatically set it to the proper input to use that channel (unless does mythtv now do that automatically itself?)

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sphery:

pretty sure you're using the same one dek arl was talking about that needs to be fixed

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sascha_:

you think so? i think that mythtv-setup just doesnt pass the options correctly

[18:44:40]

wagnerrp:

and the finagling to get the modified Frontend class into place may not actually work

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sphery:

no, mythfilldatabase asks the grabber what to do and yours tells it to do the wrong thing

[18:44:59]

sphery:

either broken capabilities support or just plain stupid defaults

[18:45:08]

sascha_:

yes but trigering mythfilldatabase is ok

[18:45:09]

wagnerrp:

and if you actually need those sleep calls, just add the "sleep(<n>)" as necessary

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sascha_:

manually

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sascha_:

mythfilldatabase --max-days 14 — '--days 14'

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sphery:

yes, because you're overriding the grabber's way of doing things

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sascha_:

works absolutely perfect

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: you clever sod :D

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sascha_:

ok but i thought that was what the arguments line in mythtv-setup was all about

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wagnerrp:

i should add a _playOnFE for guide data entries as well

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: do i need to edit anything in that script before hand

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sphery:

sascha_: it's one that shouldn't ever need to be used

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you would need to supply the chanid (not channum as before) as mentioned

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sascha_:

sphery, i see

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wagnerrp:

probably better to just use fe.send() directly, rather than the fanciness in that script

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sphery:

i.e. if the grabber does its job right

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sascha_:

so the grabber should be having another default

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wagnerrp:

(well, better would be me adding that fanciness to the proper classes in the bindings)

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wagnerrp:

wizbit: also, 'localhost' would have to match the name the machine calls itself in the database

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wagnerrp:

as that name is used to look up the proper port to connect to

[18:47:58]

wagnerrp:

so if your frontend doesnt call itself localhost, it wont know what you want to access

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/B5Lssp3K

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wagnerrp:

in any case, the script you had originally would work, if you just replaced 'telnet' with 'nc'

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wagnerrp:

yeah, missing a ':'

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sphery:

sascha_: there was a conversation at http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2012-05-02:19:28:10 and I'm pretty sure it was about the same grabber you're using

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/sPSvy5FQ

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sascha_:

ok thanx i'll look it up!

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wagnerrp:

indentation should be four spaces each step, indentation matters in python

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sphery:

sascha_: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2012-05-02:20:59:37 explains how it is that your grabber is broken

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wagnerrp:

wait, that stuff is all one line, so it shouldnt matter once you put the colon in

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sphery:

it advertises that it prefers allatonce (so MythTV uses allatonce), but the grabber only grabs 5 days worth with allatonce

[18:51:11]

sphery:

sascha_: ^^^

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/JNLG9k9M

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wagnerrp:

told you, you need to put the chanid in

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wizbit:

oh

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wagnerrp:

i couldnt, as i didnt know what it was

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wizbit:

i dont know either

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wagnerrp:

and there isnt currently a mechanism for looking up the channel from the channum

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sphery:

sascha_: so either a patch to xmltv (since it seems your grabber is basically unmaintained) would be ideal... or talk to dekarl about becoming maintainer for that grabber :)

[18:52:03]

wizbit:

wagnerrp: channel 1 is ok for me

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sphery:

and then you can fix it yourself :)

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wagnerrp:

as sphery mentioned, i probably should add one, as the end user shouldnt be required to know the chanids

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wizbit:

ok

[18:52:36]

wizbit:

new error

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wagnerrp:

and that extends to the top level bindings interfaces

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wizbit:

http://pastebin.com/35S8c3yg

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sascha_:

allright sphery THANX A LOT

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sascha_:

i will go for a simple cronjob then i guess

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sascha_:

:-D

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wagnerrp:

because as i explained, you must use the hostname of your frontend, not an address

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wizbit:

localhost is ok

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wagnerrp:

because the code looks up the hostname in the database, to figure out the port to connect to

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wagnerrp:

when you type 'hostname' on the terminal, what does it respond with?

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wizbit:

alarm.py is running on my joggler what is also a frontend

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wizbit:

tv-2

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wagnerrp:

then thats what you need to connect to

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wizbit:

ace

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** wagnerrp wonders if it would be better to make that an editable property.... **

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wizbit:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5YSTkyHK

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wagnerrp:

told you, '1' is not a valid chanid

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wagnerrp:

hang on...

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wizbit:

i have not a clue how to get a chanid

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wizbit:

maybe mythweb can

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** wizbit checks **

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wizbit:

hmmm

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sphery:

wagnerrp: sorry, wasn't trying to make more work for you

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sphery:

sascha_: you could make a local change to the script that changes allatonce to use 14 days (or 18 or ...)

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wizbit:

god knows how you can chanid

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wagnerrp:

'can chanid'?

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sphery:

sascha_: is it eu_epgdata grabber?

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wizbit:

get

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wizbit:

*find the

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wizbit:

does that mean launching mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.com/zasYKXz2

[19:06:32]

wagnerrp:

class properties are fun...

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wizbit:

ace

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/LjjdHPab

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wagnerrp:

is the definition capitalized?

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wizbit:

its the same as what you gave me here: http://pastebin.com/zasYKXz2

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sascha_:

yeah sphery

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wagnerrp:

i mean, line 13 where the method is defined, it is capitalized

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wagnerrp:

so '_playOnFe' does not actually exist

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wagnerrp:

'_playOnFE' does

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sascha_:

tv_grab_eu_epgdata

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sascha_:

but i dont really know where i could make this change

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wizbit:

def _playOnFE(self, fe):

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wizbit:

should be

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wizbit:

def _playOnFE(self, FE):

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wizbit:

?

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wagnerrp:

no, the name of the method

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** wizbit is confused **

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wagnerrp:

it is capitalized in one place, and lowercase in another

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sascha_:

so sphery if you could tell me where to change that

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wagnerrp:

one is '_playOnFe', the other is '_playOnFE'.... they need to be the same

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wagnerrp:

i misspelled the method name

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: the script now runs without a error

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wizbit:

but nothing happens

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wagnerrp:

should be sending all the same information

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wagnerrp:

appears i dont actually have any logging to figure out what it is sending

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wagnerrp:

but i dont really feel like debugging it at the moment, so just take your old script and replace 'telnet' with 'nc'

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wizbit:

ok ill keep yours for later :D

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sascha_:

/usr/bin/tv_grab_eu_epgdata is the skript

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sascha_:

but i cant find where to change that default setting

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sphery:

sascha_: what version? --version output

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sascha_:

XMLTV module version 0.5.61

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sascha_:

This is tv_grab_eu_epgdata version 1.31, 2010/09/04 10:28:44

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sascha_:

ups its rather old yint it?

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sascha_:

aint it

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sphery:

yeah, current is1.35 (from Jun 8, 2012)

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sphery:

er, 1.36...

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sphery:

can't type

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sphery:

seems it doesn't yet fix the days issue

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sphery:

http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xmltv . . . ata?view=log

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sphery:

not sure where it's setting the default of 5 days

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sphery:

sascha_: I'm thinking it might be at http://www.epgdata.com/index.php?action=sendI . . . dataType=xml (where you'd have to replace <something> with your actual pin value)... do you see something about days=5 there?

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sphery:

sascha_: that said, you can just hard-code it to 14 or 18 or whatever days by changing line 299 to "my $days = 14;" (no quotes) at http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xmltv . . . =markup#l299

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sphery:

sascha_: actually, don't change it... add a new line somewhere after the "my $days = shift;" that says "$days = 14;" --gotta use the value passed in so that the other value is still used properly

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sphery:

i.e. put that on line 301 or so

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sascha_:

sphery, you're saying in the skript right?

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sascha_:

so it'll look like this?

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sascha_:

my $days = shift;

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sascha_:

$days = 14;

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sascha_:

my $offset = shift;

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sascha_:

my $pin = shift;

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sascha_:

merci! that did the trick!!! Thank you sphery

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