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Monday, July 9th, 2012, 00:06 UTC

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Beirdo:

yo! wagnerrp

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Beirdo:

you in?

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Beirdo:

you horked the db upgrade :)

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Beirdo:

PRIMARY KEY (`fileid`),) (on scannerpath create)

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Beirdo:

I just pushed a fix without that stray comma

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Beirdo:

and now it's gonna make ANOTHER db backup :)

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plut0:

anyone using mythtv on verizon FIOS?

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Hydr0:

grrr

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Hydr0:

myth 0.25 claims i have something mis-configured

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you know, i did it right in my own branch, went to commit it, and realized there was nothing to commit as there was nothing changed

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wagnerrp:

and then goobered it up when i copied it over

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

oops

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mythfilemove:

Hello, I have used mythlink.pl so now I have a new folder full of symlinks to my recordings

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mythfilemove:

I would like to move the ACTUAL RECORDING FILES, with the human readable names to a new harddrive

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mythfilemove:

can someone help me out here?

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mythfilemove:

I have never used symlinks before

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wagnerrp:

cp /links/to/files /new/folder/

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mythfilemove:

ok

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wagnerrp:

you may need -L

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wagnerrp:

different versions of `cp` vary in their handling of symlinks

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loganrun:

looks like mydatabase went south, but I apparently have backups, how can I restore the database from a backup created with mythconverg_backup.pl

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mythfilemove:

keeps on saying 'omitting directory

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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mythfilemove:

lol

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mythfilemove:

forgot *.*

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wagnerrp:

if you want to copy a whole directory, rather than just individual files in a directory, you need -r

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mythfilemove:

it's working now

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mythfilemove:

thank you

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wagnerrp:

*.*?

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Beirdo:

it's a valid pattern :)

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mythfilemove:

dos reference. i am old

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Beirdo:

such a DOS-ism though

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wagnerrp:

sure, but a waste of two characcters

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mythfilemove:

and obsolete

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mythfilemove:

like doshell

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wagnerrp:

unixisms are older than dosisms

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Beirdo:

DOS hell.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I think you were missing an "s" :)

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mythfilemove:

ok, now if I delete the symlinks what happens?

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mythfilemove:

does all the power go out in my neighborhood?

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mythfilemove:

microwave will stop working?

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wagnerrp:

depends on if you copied the symlinks, or if you dereferenced the symlinks and copied the original files

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mythfilemove:

well,,, I don't remember using *var or &var

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wagnerrp:

some versions deref by default, others need the -L flag

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mythfilemove:

so i didnt invoke any pointers

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mythfilemove:

ah

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wagnerrp:

BSD copies the file, i think GNU copies the symlink

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mythfilemove:

why is that? is there a patent on a method and apparatus for copying a file?

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wagnerrp:

different strokes for different folks

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mythfilemove:

ok, well I am planning on upgrading from mythbuntu 11.10 to 12 today, that should move me up from 0.24.1 to 0.25.1 I think. Does mythtv have a way to read all my TV recordings and get the metadata after I upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

im not sure what you mean

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mythfilemove:

I guess that would be in mythvideo or what was mythvideo?

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wagnerrp:

recordings stay in your recordings

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Hydr0:

ignoring the side of the tuner that's not completely configured yet, can anyone take a look at see what's causing all of my recordings to fail ? http://pastebin.com/1yZDE2Qm

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wagnerrp:

when you upgrade, mythtv upgrades your database right along with it

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wagnerrp:

and you keep all your previous recordings and metadata

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mythfilemove:

Since I am moving my recordings off to a new drive, with human readable names, can I add the drive with human readable names to mythvideo and have mythvideo lookup all the metadata for those tv shows with human readable names?

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wagnerrp:

you could... better to use mythvidexport to copy the recordings there and manage the metadata directly

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mythfilemove:

I tried mythvidexport a while ago but was not able to get it to work. I am on 0.24.1

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mythfilemove:

Currently I am unable to delete files so I am assuming I will need to format and install a clean mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

delete what files?

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mythfilemove:

not delete files, delete recordings

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mythfilemove:

I was on here yesterday asking about that

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wagnerrp:

does your backend not have file permissions to do so for some reason?

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mythfilemove:

I couldn't figure it out, so I thought, well, as long as I can backup the recordings, I will just reinstall

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mythfilemove:

Mythweb will delete a recording, it will not show up on mythweb anymore or any frontend, yet my drive is still full

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mythfilemove:

in the recent past this was no problem

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wagnerrp:

did you tell mythtv to mark recordings as in the deleted group for auto-expiration as needed?

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mythfilemove:

like a month ago that all worked fine

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wagnerrp:

rather than deleting immediately

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mythfilemove:

is that option in mythsetup?

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wagnerrp:

not sure where it is

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mythfilemove:

I'll check it out

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mythfilemove:

I also wanted the recordings on another drive with human readable names for my phone

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mythfilemove:

so I could watch them later, without an internetconnection

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plut0:

anyone using mythtv on verizon FIOS?

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mythfilemove:

I am

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Sharky112065:

mythfilemove: there is an option for defered deletes, you may want to see what it is set to,

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mythfilemove:

I am using it with an HDHR Prime

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wagnerrp:

well that, just cron mythlink, and copy the files you want aasa you need them

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plut0:

mythfilemove: i don't have FIOS so I'm gathering info. can you use the standard tuners via coax cable with FIOS?

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wagnerrp:

with standard tuners, you're only likely to get the local broadcast channels

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mythfilemove:

FYI on Fios and on Comcast in NJ: you will only get local channels in standard def, and in high def

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wagnerrp:

most content is going to be encrypted, but marked copy-freely

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mythfilemove:

basically everything available on an antenna

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wagnerrp:

so you want a cablecard tuner

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plut0:

how many local channels are there?

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mythfilemove:

in my area there is about 30

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plut0:

oh not much

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mythfilemove:

you probably only want to watch like 7 of them

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wagnerrp:

well thats a question you really need to answer yourself

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plut0:

i have time warner now and i can watch about 60 on standard tuner and that is about 95% of what i watch

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plut0:

mythfilemove: so what tuner do you use then?

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mythfilemove:

FYI- the HDHR Prime is easy to setup with mythbuntu and with FIOS cable card, however you will not beable to watch HBO or payperview on any linux based system

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wagnerrp:

when you say "standard tuner", do you mean an analog one?

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plut0:

wagnerrp: yes

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wagnerrp:

no, you will not be able to use an analog tuner with fios

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mythfilemove:

I have the following tuners: HDHR original Dual tuner going to an antenna and HDHR Prime 3 with a fios cable card in it

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mythfilemove:

fios charges you about $3.99 a month for the cablecard

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mythfilemove:

also, the people who work at Verizon are booger eating morons, be prepared to be frustrated

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plut0:

not familiar with those tuners, how do they work?

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mythfilemove:

They are network tuners

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plut0:

so comm via ethernet?

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mythfilemove:

they sit on a network as a standalone appliance and communicate over ethernet

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plut0:

easy to setup with mythtv?

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mythfilemove:

so any computer with a network connection can watch

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mythfilemove:

the easiest BY FAR

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mythfilemove:

there are no drivers

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Sharky112065:

mythfilemove: Setup --> Video --> general "Time to retain deleted recordings (Days)? 0

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mythfilemove:

so no recompiliing the kernel

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wagnerrp:

the setting has changed somewhat

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plut0:

so it streams the data to mythtv and saves as mpeg2 or something?

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wagnerrp:

in 0.25, all deletes are deferred

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wagnerrp:

while in 0.24 and previous, it was optional

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wagnerrp:

however the default is to be deferred maybe a minute or two

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mythfilemove:

the tv streams are in TS MPEG2 containers

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wagnerrp:

whenever the next pass through the expirer is

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plut0:

pricey tuners but worth it?

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mythfilemove:

mythtv just writes that to disk directly

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wagnerrp:

not really.... most digital tuners are about $50/input

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR is not unreasonable

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mythfilemove:

Due to driver issues with USB stick tuners I can't imagine NOT using an HDHR, also the Prime 3 had 3 tuners

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mythfilemove:

that means it can record 3 simulatneously

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plut0:

so the hdhr3 connects to the cablecard?

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wagnerrp:

due to issues with USB, i cant imagine using USB for a tuner

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wagnerrp:

the cablecard slots into the HDHRP

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wagnerrp:

HDHR3 is just a standard QAM tuner

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wagnerrp:

just their third revision

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plut0:

not familiar with the cablecard, does that sit in a tv?

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mythfilemove:

I have found that I can record 3HD programs on a 10/100 network and watch 1 off the backend but that is the absolute max.

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mythfilemove:

it sits in the hdhr

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wagnerrp:

it looks like a PCMCIA card

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plut0:

ohh gotcha

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plut0:

and thats what, $4/mo you said?

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mythfilemove:

unfortunately here in "free market" america, the cablecard standard is going away in a few years

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mythfilemove:

yeah

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ertyu-m:

its the decoder module the cable company gives you, it fits in your device of choice to decode their signals

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plut0:

and does that get most of the channels?

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mythfilemove:

It gets every single channel except for payperview and HBO

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wagnerrp:

s/decode/decrypt/

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mythfilemove:

atleast in my area

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wagnerrp:

the tuner decodes the signals

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plut0:

ok thats good

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wagnerrp:

the CAM decrypts them

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plut0:

so thats 3 tuners?

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mythfilemove:

yeah

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plut0:

and you have a hdhr dual tuner also?

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mythfilemove:

yes, the hdhr dual tuner is for my antenna

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plut0:

atsc?

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mythfilemove:

By the end of the year I am moving to ONLY the antenna and Itunes / Amazon

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mythfilemove:

yes

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plut0:

why do you need it? missing channels on fios?

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mythfilemove:

I'm testing it to replace Fios

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mythfilemove:

I dont watch all that much TV because I have a child now

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plut0:

what do you get on atsc?

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mythfilemove:

I figure that its cheaper for me to giveup the TV package completely and use the antenna. If there is a TV series that I must watch, I can buy each episode online

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wagnerrp:

anything broadcast

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mythfilemove:

go to TVfool to see all the channels

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plut0:

so what else do i need to know about fios

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mythfilemove:

read the fineprint

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mythfilemove:

its cheap for the first year

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mythfilemove:

their DVR is $17.99/month

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mythfilemove:

mythtv is free

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plut0:

yeah so i saw a $15/mo discount for 2 years

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mythfilemove:

I replaced my landline with an ooma

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plut0:

so i'm guessing the quoted price goes up $15/mo after 2 years

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mythfilemove:

I pay $3.50 /month for 911

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plut0:

i don't need phone

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mythfilemove:

So I have Fios Double Play only internet and TV

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plut0:

that's what i'm looking at

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mythfilemove:

I don't believe they cap the 15mbps download speed

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plut0:

it's going to be cheaper for me to get fios with much faster speeds and more channels than time warner

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mythfilemove:

You can go for the slower fios internet speed, I don't think they cap it, the other plans just guarantee the higher speed

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plut0:

i was looking at 75/35 for internet

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mythfilemove:

I get 15mpbs down but it clocks at 25

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plut0:

so these tuners are HD? is it 1080p?

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mythfilemove:

ATSC broadcasts in 720p or 1080i in america atleast in my area

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mythfilemove:

Fios does HD in 1080p

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plut0:

yeah but can the tuner capture at 1080p?

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mythfilemove:

yes

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plut0:

ok

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mythfilemove:

multiple streams, just make sure your network can handle it

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ertyu-m:

they capture the digital bits, whatever is being transmitted

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plut0:

i'm going to need more disk space too

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mythfilemove:

I have a separate network area just for mythtvbackend PC, HDHR3, and my frontends all linked to a gbps switch

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mythfilemove:

that keeps the huge network traffic off of my regular internet machines

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Hydr0p0nx:

can anyone take a look at these logs and point me in the right direction ?

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Hydr0p0nx:

looks like channel tuning is hosed w/ myth 0.25

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Hydr0p0nx:

http://pastebin.com/1yZDE2Qm

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plut0:

mythfilemove: are you happy with fios?

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mythfilemove:

been with them for 3 years. best internet hands down. best voice quality too but its too expensive.

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mythfilemove:

I was with comcast from 1997 to 2007 on cable internet

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[R]:

Hydr0p0nx: the error in the log clearly explains it...

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Hydr0p0nx:

one tuner isn't completely configured, i'm trying to find out why the other one isn't working ...

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Hydr0p0nx:

i can finish the other one pretty quickly though

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Hydr0p0nx:

look around line 119 and you'll see where it tries to set the channel, then fails with SetChannelByString(2): failure

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plut0:

wagnerrp: do you have fios also?

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wagnerrp:

no

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plut0:

anyone else here have verizon fios?

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russell5:

i do plut0

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plut0:

russell5: you need a set top box or dvr for each tv right? to get most of the channels?

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russell5:

i dont have any boxes just a cable card tuner

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plut0:

russell5: do you have multiple tv's?

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russell5:

and you get most of the mjor channels wihtout a box

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russell5:

yeah

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russell5:

but i just use an old laptop as a front end

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plut0:

so they use coaxial cable?

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russell5:

yeah

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plut0:

how many channels do you get on that?

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russell5:

when i say major i mean nbc cbs and such

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russell5:

the cabke card tuner?

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russell5:

cazble^

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plut0:

no coax

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russell5:

15–20 digital

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plut0:

any analog?

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russell5:

no think its all clear qam

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plut0:

so old tv's wouldn't get anything then?

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russell5:

with no box or digital tuner? correct

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plut0:

ok

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plut0:

the set top box is a monthly charge right?

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russell5:

yup

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russell5:

10 bucks i think depending on which one and where you are

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plut0:

probably cheaper to setup multiple mythtv frontends then pay for set top boxes huh?

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plut0:

in the long run

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wagnerrp:

no

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russell5:

it depends

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wagnerrp:

in the long run, mythtv is a hobby, and hobbies are money sinks

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russell5:

^ yup

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not the "cheap" solution, it is the "expandable and extensible" solution

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wagnerrp:

the system and content is yours to do with as you please

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plut0:

mythtv is more than a hobby for the people that use it and i like the fact that I can save money but not using my provider's dvr

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wagnerrp:

while with a rented DVR, the system and content is limited to whatever the cable company wishes to allow

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plut0:

i've been using mythtv since 2004, can't see giving it up any time soon

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russell5:

plut0, you can save money monthly but ive prolly spent more than if i rented a dvr for the last 2 years

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plut0:

on the hardware?

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russell5:

yup

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wagnerrp:

considering that rented STB will be ~$250 over those two years

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russell5:

yeah my 2 tuners was about that

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wagnerrp:

thats roughly purchase cost for a dedicated frontend

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russell5:

not including hard drives and other stuff

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wagnerrp:

throw in a bunch for tuners, a bunch more for hard drives

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wagnerrp:

perhaps a shared dedicated backend

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wagnerrp:

then you run out of room and need upgrades

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plut0:

so if i go with verizon fios' dvr's i'll be spending $51/mo. i can easily pay off a few mythtv frontends with a cost like that

[02:06:47]

plut0:

for 6 tv's btw

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russell5:

the network to those tvs also

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plut0:

network is already built

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russell5:

ok

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wagnerrp:

network is cheap, and if not network, coax

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wagnerrp:

for 6 TVs and a dedicated backend, you're almost certainly looking at >$2K in equipment, or at least three years

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wagnerrp:

(granted, you already have it)

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plut0:

i only have 1 right now

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plut0:

$250 for a frontend sound right?

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wagnerrp:

decent for a decent diskless box

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tgm4883:

I want to say that is what I paid for my frontend

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plut0:

probably 2 and a half years to pay it off

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tgm4883:

Probably closer to $2500

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tgm4883:

Need a beefy enough backend

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plut0:

tgm4883: my 8 year old backend works fine, anything you buy today is overkill

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wagnerrp:

depends on what you want it to do

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wagnerrp:

if you intend to use any of the HLS stuff, an 8yr old machine simply wont cut it

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wagnerrp:

if you have a large cable lineup, and a bunch of recording rules, the scheduler load may prove too much and caused delayed starts

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plut0:

the 8 year old machine would become a frontend

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tgm4883:

plut0, +1 to what wagnerrp said

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wagnerrp:

in which case its potentially too slow to even handle MPEG2 broadcasts

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wagnerrp:

and is definitely too slow for any optical content

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wagnerrp:

or recordings from an HDPVR

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tgm4883:

And if you are planning on 6 frontends, you'll need plenty of disk space and processing power for comm flagging (assuming you'd want to record a decent number of shows)

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wagnerrp:

its doubtful you're still using disks from 8yrs ago

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plut0:

yeah they've been upgraded

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tgm4883:

At some point, looking at a dual backend setup might be worth it

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wagnerrp:

probably not, since slave backends dont really do much

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, for expanded tuners/disk space?

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wagnerrp:

hold hard drives, and copy video to them from capture devices

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tgm4883:

I didn't see how many tuners we're talking about here

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wagnerrp:

something that can be done just as well by 15yr old pentium

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wagnerrp:

(almost, anyway)

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tgm4883:

well, then we're discussing whether user jobs can be put off until low usage time

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wagnerrp:

you'd want a higher end server from that era, with PCIX, to properly handle a gigabit card

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wagnerrp:

user jobs can be spread out over the frontends if need be

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, frontend's can't do user jobs I thought?

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wagnerrp:

anything running a jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

meaning mythbackend or mythjobqueue

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, ah, now we're getting into mythtv vs mythbuntu semantics

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wagnerrp:

you can throw a mythjobqueue instance on to frontends to allow them to perform tasks

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plut0:

i'd probably do it all on the backend

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wagnerrp:

another thing, that 8yr old machine is likely to have 1–2GB of memory, is potentially 32-bit, and is using (now) expensive DDR1

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wagnerrp:

some file systems like ZFS (and probably BtrFS) are memory vacuums

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wagnerrp:

the more you can throw at them, the happier they are

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wagnerrp:

at least from experience with ZFS, it will run on 2GB, run better on 4GB, but its not really happy until around 8GB

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wagnerrp:

it still throws tantrums every so often if you overload it on 4GB

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tgm4883:

at least with freenas, the recommendation for RAM is 1GB per TB of disk space

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tgm4883:

for ZFS

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wagnerrp:

havent seen that one

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wagnerrp:

i saw a flat 6GB though

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wagnerrp:

the solaris engineers were saying 2GB/TB when deduplication is enabled

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wagnerrp:

primarily for checksum storage to lookup matches

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mrguitar:

Is there a way to make gnome-shell not eat the CPU while running mythfrontend?

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splurben:

It's not terribly important, MythTV 0.26_pre20120706 AirPlay, I've got the key installed (SHA-1 sum is correct), iTunes 10.6.3 (25) sees it but won't switch to it, selecting it fails.

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mrguitar:

I fixed gnome-shell by switching to xfce. ;)

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[R]:

rofl

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Jester86:

hey guys.. can anyone please help me with an issue ... my pc seems to be associating my tuning devices differently now

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Beirdo:

there we go...

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

you'll need to make udev rules

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jwh:

or avoid the hassle of udev and (if you don't have many devices of the same type) use adapter_nr param to modprobe

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Jester86:

lol Thanks Beirdo .. but can anyone point to toward some documentation on this?

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Jester86:

I'll also need to figure out how to revert back to a prior database for the configuration informaiton correct?

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Beirdo:

udev is the "correct" way these days. :)

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Jester86:

alright.

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Beirdo:

no, once you've mapped them (either udev or not), re-run mythtv-setup

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Beirdo:

and update the devices in there to match the mapping

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Jester86:

is there a way for me to only revert back a prior tuner configuration or will i need to redo the entire mythdatabase?

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Beirdo:

it's not a database issue

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Beirdo:

well, the final setup is, but that's a very simple fix

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Beirdo:

it's that the kernel is instantiating them in a different order

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Jester86:

Beirdo, mind just stepping me through what I'll need to do in udev? just broad strokes so I can have an idea of what i need to research.

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Beirdo:

there's pretty good howtos out there somewhere, I forget where :)

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jwh:

Beirdo: well, udev usage assumes there is an identifying value to match with which isn't always the case, especially with usb devices

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Beirdo:

there almost always is

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jwh:

dual tuner cards also are a pain

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Beirdo:

if nothing else, you can lock it to which USB port it's plugged into, just don't move them around

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Beirdo:

the 2250 was dead simple, and it's a dual tuner

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jwh:

probing/attach is async, so you don't even know which hub/port/id it will be

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jwh:

but yeah in an ideal world everything would work properly :)

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Beirdo:

it's worked for two years straight on the three identical USB-serial dongles

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Jester86:

I have (2) PVR150s, (1) HDhomerun (2 tuners), (1) HDPVR (USB)

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Beirdo:

should be simple

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Beirdo:

the pvr150s you should be able to identify by PCI bus mapping if the serial numbers aren't available

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Beirdo:

the HDHomerun is network, so irrelevant

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Beirdo:

and the HDPVR is simple when there's only one

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Jester86:

yeah

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Jester86:

now i just need to figure all this shit out lol

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Beirdo:

oh, and the HDPVR has a serial number

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Jester86:

yes it does

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Beirdo:

KERNEL=="video[0–9]*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="2040", ATTRS{idProduct}=="4902", ATTRS{serial}=="00A43B12", SYMLINK+="video-hdpvr0"

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Beirdo:

that's for my HDPVR

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Beirdo:

I no longer have the ones for my old PVR250s

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Beirdo:

KERNEL=="video[0–9]*", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1131", ATTRS{device}=="0x7164", ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x0070", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0x8891", ATTR{index}=="0", SYMLINK+="video-hvr0"

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Jester86:

wait a minute..

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Beirdo:

that's the first tuner of my HVR2250

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Jester86:

my HDPVR is 'supposed' to be /dev/video2 per my old config

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Beirdo:

the PVR150 will be similar, but you'd need to add a serial number or PCI bus identifier

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Beirdo:

ignore that

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Jester86:

fuck this.. I'm just going to unplug the bastard and reboot the system

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Jester86:

everything should fall back into place then.

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Beirdo:

what I did was map mine to *always* have a simlink at /dev/video-hdpvr0

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Beirdo:

and watch your language, please

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Jester86:

sorry forgot..

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Jester86:

been a while since i've been in here

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Jester86:

myth had been running so well for so long lol

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Beirdo:

once you have a static mapping, it's dead easy

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Jester86:

yeah I just don't want to have to redo the configuration within mythtv if i can.. i don't remember where i located my channel change scrip lol

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Jester86:

script8

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Jester86:

** g's..

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Beirdo:

you don't need to

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Jester86:

how so?

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Beirdo:

all you need to do is rerun mythtv-setup

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Beirdo:

and fix the device names to map to the static mapped ones

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Beirdo:

leave the rest alone

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Jester86:

I don't believe it kept the information though

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Jester86:

Beirdo, the reason i say that is that I had gone in and started to correct the information with mythtv-setup

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Jester86:

I'm afraid me doing that may have wiped things away

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Jester86:

hmm thats new.. i powered off my HDPVR and rebooted.. system came back up with devices mapped to the proper /dev IDs.. i powered back on the HDPVR and rebooted

[05:00:31]

Jester86:

now its booted to a black screen

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Jester86:

made it past the boot loader but i'm not sure where in the mythbuntu boot it made it

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Jester86:

not responding to ssh :-\

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wagnerrp:

check that out!

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wagnerrp:

Jul 2 12:30:29 fserve sshd[35299]: error: PAM: authentication error for mythtv from 61.50.241.18

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wagnerrp:

were on brute force attack lists

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wagnerrp:

weve made the big times!

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Jester86:

lol mind explaining what exactly that means just so I understand things correctly/

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wagnerrp:

ever run sshd exposed to the internet on port 22?

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Jester86:

yes wagnerrp

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jwh:

heh, cute

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Jester86:

don't believe i have that port forwarded anymore though

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wagnerrp:

then look in your system logs, and all will be revealed

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wagnerrp:

machines running sshd get infected through brute force attacks against usernames and passwords

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wagnerrp:

once infected, those machines proceed to launch brute force attacks against other machines running sshd

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wagnerrp:

basically, just thousands of hits for random usernames and passwords

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wagnerrp:

well, less brute force, more dictionary

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wagnerrp:

point being, mythtv is common enough to be worth being put in that dictionary

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Beirdo:

Coool... We are hacker script kiddie targets! :)

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Jester86:

if I'm using udev rules to mount my devices to the desired locations.. will i have to address this everytime major updates roll out or will it roll forward with any updates?

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Beirdo:

if you put it in a custom rules file, it shouldn't get deleted

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Beirdo:

otherwise your packagers need a talkin to.

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Jester86:

lol alright

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Jester86:

thanks Beirdo I have everything operating again.. just need to set up the udev rule

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Jester86:

currently I have my HDPVR set up on /dev/video0 .. would you use that in the udev rule or would you make it something different like /dev/video-hdpvr?

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Beirdo:

I used SYMLINK= in the rule

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Beirdo:

that way video0,1,2 can move around, and I always use /dev/video-hdpvr0

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Beirdo:

which points to the correct one automagically

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Beirdo:

rather, SYMLINK+=

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Jester86:

alright.. I guess my concern was that if I was telling the udev rule to mount the HDPVR at /dev/video0 but something else was already mounted at /dev/video0 it'd cause issues

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

I have a 1h recording of "Channel not purchased"

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Beirdo:

on a channel I *AM* paying for

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Jester86:

haha

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Beirdo:

screw YOU, DirecTV

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Jester86:

haha... better than TWC I think :-\

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Jester86:

though... HD is not really HD with DirecTV

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Beirdo:

yes it is

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Beirdo:

what are you smoking?

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Jester86:

its all compressed below 1080 and scaled back up

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Beirdo:

no it isn't

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Beirdo:

only some channels

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Beirdo:

like BBC America

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Jester86:

i had a professor in college that provide its impossible for them to carry 1080 across their bandwidth

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Beirdo:

the locals definitely are true HD

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Beirdo:

and I had a prof in college that told us the limit on phone lines was 9600 baud

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Beirdo:

he also was incorrect

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Jester86:

lol

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Beirdo:

and correct at teh same time

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Beirdo:

as it truly is 9600 baud

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Beirdo:

but baud != bits/s

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Beirdo:

it's symbols/s

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Jester86:

i can't remember all of his argument but i know he brought it up with an engineer at directv and they admitted he was correct

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Beirdo:

well, it's a load of crap

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Beirdo:

they have 1080p on some of the pay per view channels

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Beirdo:

not 1080i.

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Jester86:

that doesn't mean its not compressed to below 1080p prior to hitting your screen

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Jester86:

all they have to do is scale the stream back up

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Beirdo:

besides, their bandwidth is huge

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Beirdo:

they aren't limited to tiny channels

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Jester86:

hold on.. let me do some research and see if i can find the argument online.

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Beirdo:

and even if they WERE, ATSC has true HD in tiny bandwidth

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Beirdo:

compared to DirecTV's bandwidth

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Jester86:

Beirdo, let me look.. but note this lecture was some time ago.. I graduated a while ago

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Beirdo:

yeah, and they've redone their entire infrastructure how many times since? :)

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Beirdo:

it may have been true then, but I'm quite sure it's not now

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Beirdo:

technology stops for no man.

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Jester86:

haha true.. idk I keep finding threads saying that they do lie and that they do compress but i can't find the mathmatical explanation of it all

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Jester86:

essentially it came down to them only being able to stream something like 5 channels at 1080P while broadcasting the rest at standard

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Jester86:

I mean assuming their scaling equations are written well there shouldn't be a 'noticable' difference

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Beirdo:

how is that possible

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Beirdo:

they have hundreds of megabits of bandwidth last I checked

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Jester86:

hold on.. i'm trying to find the equation

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Jester86:

real pisser is I just tossed all of those old class notes a few weeks ago when my gf wanted me to clean out my office... to make room for her marie kay shit lol

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Jester86:

sorry* ..

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Jester86:

crap*

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Beirdo:

I hope she sells buttloads then

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Beirdo:

wow, the Nokia N9 is expensive

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Beirdo:

and curse Nokia for selling out and going with MS crap

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Jester86:

gah.. everything i find is just people complaining and speculating that that is what occurs

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Jester86:

i cannnot find the equation

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wagnerrp:

i thought phone lines were 8kbaud

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

4800Hz bandwidth

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Beirdo:

shannon limit is 9600baud

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wagnerrp:

8-bit, 8kHz, 64Kbps for an ISDN (D0) line

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Beirdo:

now some CHEAP phone lines give more like 3400Hz bandwidth :)

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's not a "phone line"

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Beirdo:

phone line = POTS to most people

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Jester86:

dang it Beirdo I'll have to do some hunting for this.. may shoot that prof and email and see if he's willing to send me the logic again

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Beirdo:

heh

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Jester86:

been meaning to touch base with him about other stuff anyway lol

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** wagnerrp needs sleep **

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Beirdo:

yeah, I should head that direction sometime

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Beirdo:

Jester86: they are transmitting in H.264 for HD now, rather than MPEG2, using DVB-S2, apparently, rather than DSS

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Jester86:

Beirdo, I still want to be able to do those calcuations again lol.. I hate not remembering things I used to be able to do drunk lol

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Beirdo:

anyways, bed

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lapion:

mythtranscode keeps on growing in resident and virtual memory size, while all the time spewing the following errors:

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lapion:

Jul 9 09:11:25 mythtv mythtranscode[12991]: W TFWWrite ThreadedFileWriter.cpp:499 (DiskLoop) TFW(/home/mythtv/recordings/2133_20120707085000.nuv.tmp:24): write(42942) cnt 3028 total 133962973 — took a long time, 1563 ms

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lapion:

and eventually it gives the following error when it runs out of memory:

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lapion:

Jul 9 09:11:26 mythtv mythtranscode[12991]: E CoreContext ThreadedFileWriter.cpp:216 (Write) TFW(/home/mythtv/recordings/2133_20120707085000.nuv.tmp:24): Maximum buffer size exceeded.#012#011#011#011file will be truncated, no further writing will be done.#012#011#011#011This generally indicates your disk performance #012#011#011#011is insufficient to deal with the number of on-going #012#011#011#011recordings, or you have a disk failure.

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Novae:

I have a MythTV 0.25 backend that i wish to access with XBMC, i noticed there are a number of branches currently offering Myth functionality and was wondering which one was "better"?

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Novae:

.....and i just noticed that while kind of relevant i posted that in the wrong channel :P

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sulx:

hmm does anyone have any experience about getting cheap android armv11 media player with 512mb memory and putting linux + mythfrontend in it?

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tootr:

Is the git version of Myth recommended over the tgz file?

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kenni:

tootr: The latest git version of the current (0.25) -fixes branch are always preferred over the latest tagged release available as a tgz file

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kenni:

s/are/is/

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tootr:

Ah, great. Will try that. The LiveTV playback with an analog card seems to be a bit wonky; I think it's http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /328892.html

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steve_goodey:

!seen wagnerrp

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MythLogBot:

wagnerrp is here and has been idle for 4 hours 56 minutes 46 seconds

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Sharky112065:

All of a sudden after a reboot with normal shutdown of everything, I am getting Error parsing config.xml on the front end. The file is empty :(

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Sharky112065:

fixes/0.25

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Sharky112065:

is this a known issue?

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natanojl:

Sharky112065: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10249

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Sharky112065:

natanojl: thank you :) I was just looking for a ticket

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Sharky112065:

natanojl: hmm I see they fixed it, but do not see a patch on fixes/0.25. Also no instructions on either ticket that explains how to get the configuration info back in the config.xml file

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Sharky112065:

natanojl: shows the patches in the ticket as 5 months ago and is either not in fixes/0.25 or is still happening, because am at the current git pull for fixes/0.25

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natanojl:

Sharky112065: Remove the file and start mythfrontend or mythtv-setup

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Sharky112065:

ah.. ok did not know to remove it.. thanks

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natanojl:

np

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Sharky112065:

now the only error is one about ROAP and rsa missing.

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Sharky112065:

RAOP

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Sharky112065:

Oh apple airplay crap.. will not effect me :p

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jarle:

does mythtv have built-in db-optimization now, or should I run an external program to tune my mysql-db?

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kenni:

jarle: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Period . . . the_Database

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kenni:

still the same in 0.25/pre0.26

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jarle:

kenni: thnx.

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ahhughes:

when I use the ubuntu software center, it doesnt provide me with a facility to choose what version a software package to install. Am I missing something?

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jarle:

ahhughes: it will automatically install the latest version...

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jello:

hello, i get proper 5.1 sound using the command `speaker-test -D hdmi:CARD=PCH,DEV=1 -c 6 -t wav`. How can I make this the default for mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

open the audio setup, scan for devices, select the hdmi output on card 1

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jello:

wagnerrp: when i do that, and select 5.1 speaker config, then do a test i get horrible scratching sound

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wagnerrp:

sounds like its trying to send compressed audio, but your tv doesnt support it

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jello:

wagnerrp: and the fix is?

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jello:

if i disable dolby it won't let me select 5.1

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wagnerrp:

then you dont have HDMI audio, you have SPDIF audio routed over HDMI

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jello:

wagnerrp: not sure what that means. i have my computer connected to my receiver via HDMI which provides audio and video

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wagnerrp:

might need to ask jya, ive never had much experience with digital audio

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jya:

jello: you have likely selected StereoPCM in the Advanced config

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jya:

the other possibility, is that you are running a very recent version alsa 1.0.25 (cat /proc/asound/version) and you've booted your PC before you turned out your receiver. So ALSA says that you have stereo only available.

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jello:

jya: bingo, turning off everything under advanced fixed it

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wagnerrp:

jya: that reminds me, i want to get your thing in before 0.26

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wagnerrp:

smolt thing, the HDMI properties stuff

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jello:

jya: thanks!

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jya:

jello: one thing need to be set if you want DTS-HD MA to workâ€¦. It does prompt the question as to why you modified something in the Advanced audio config to start with

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jello:

jya: i don't think i set it deliberately, perhaps it was the default?

[14:25:35]

jya:

wagnerrp: I would prefer if you reworked serverpool so it doesn't use the backend settings for the frontend !

[14:25:51]

jya:

jello: certainly isn't the default.. for stereopcm to be checked, you *must* check it manually

[14:26:02]

jello:

jya: hrm, dunno

[14:26:20]

jya:

this option is only for use with some version of ALSA that reports LPCM available when it's not

[14:26:24]

wagnerrp:

jya: id rather rework it so it didnt require those settings to be set

[14:26:32]

wagnerrp:

(for the backend)

[14:27:00]

wagnerrp:

also, did you see comment a day or so ago about some user having trouble connecting to the protocol socket over linklocal?

[14:27:08]

jya:

i think a usable workaround for the time being would be to always listen on localhost and link-config (both IPv4 and IPv6)

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wagnerrp:

i could do that, always listen on link local

[14:27:42]

wagnerrp:

youre saying the 169.xxx stuff too?

[14:27:55]

jya:

wagnerrp: could be the link-local bug in Qt and fixed in Qt 4.8.3 (which sn't out yet)

[14:28:12]

jya:

wagnerrp: if the address is available yes

[14:28:43]

wagnerrp:

you know off hand if we can just directly listen? or do we need to specify the device like with ipv6?

[14:29:41]

jello:

jya: now recordings with 2-chan stereo give me that compressed sound...

[14:30:06]

jello:

but the test in the audio config works fine

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jya:

jello: -v audio,playback and try to play the file that doesn't sound okay

[14:30:52]

jya:

wagnerrp: shouldn't have to

[14:31:17]

jya:

wagnerrp: actually, I'm pretty sure the link-local ipv4 would only be there if dhcp failed

[14:31:30]

jya:

so the guy would be screwed anyway to do anything but airplay

[14:33:04]

jello:

jya: okay, what do i look for in the log?

[14:33:12]

jya:

you don't.

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jya:

you put it on something like pastebin.com and copy the link here

[14:34:22]

jya:

jello: the only way you would get this "compressed sound" is if you have an amplifier that doesn't support AC3 or DTSâ€¦ which I've never seen

[14:36:05]

jya:

and also, give me the output of : cat /proc/asound/card*/eld#*.0

[14:36:15]

jello:

jya: http://paste.debian.net/178308/

[14:36:21]

jello:

jya: starting around line 83

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jya:

never mind cat /proc/asound/card*/eld#*.0 â€¦ i have everything in this log

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jya:

ok...

[14:37:55]

jya:

why do you have the audio device hdmi:CARD=PCH,DEV=1 selected?

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jya:

why don't you let myth do the work and detect the audio card to use instead of manually typing the device?

[14:38:42]

jello:

jya: how do i do that?

[14:38:50]

jya:

you're running 0.25 right?

[14:39:01]

jya:

so you just select the device in the list...

[14:39:03]

jello:

0.25.1

[14:39:03]

jya:

it will be there

[14:39:32]

jya:

do not type the device name yourself

[14:39:57]

jello:

that's what i thought i did

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jya:

what audio card do you have ?

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jello:

whatever's built-in to the motherboard

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wagnerrp:

which is?

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jya:

what do you get when you do aplay -L

[14:41:50]

jello:

jya: http://paste.debian.net/178312/

[14:41:51]

jya:

pastebin the content of aplay -L here

[14:42:19]

jya:

DEV=0 gives you no audio in the test?

[14:42:51]

jello:

it says no connection for DEV=0

[14:43:08]

jya:

ok...

[14:43:10]

jello:

and it shows my receiver as connected on DEV=1

[14:43:23]

jya:

well, all I can say is that digital passthrough is broken for your card

[14:43:41]

jya:

you heard garbage with StereoPCM checked didn't you?

[14:43:48]

jello:

yep

[14:43:58]

jya:

okâ€¦ so something is wrong with your audio card

[14:44:11]

jya:

uncheck all digital option: AC3, DTS, E-AC3, etc...

[14:44:16]

jello:

alsa's speaker-test works fine, if that helps...

[14:44:40]

jya:

jello: and so does the myth speaker testâ€¦ that's irrelevant, those tests use LPCM

[14:44:47]

jya:

not digital passthroug

[14:44:55]

jello:

okay

[14:45:00]

jya:

so uncheck all digital option.. that will work

[14:45:19]

jya:

you can always report the problem upstream to ALSA

[14:45:27]

jello:

jya: yep, that worked

[14:45:50]

jello:

jya: is there a simple way to reproduce the problem?

[14:45:53]

jya:

i remember that I put a settings once to get around a bug like that

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jya:

jello: configure mplayer for passthrough and play an AC3 file ?

[14:46:25]

jello:

jya: where do i get a sample AC3 file?

[14:46:57]

** jello feels very stupid this morning **

[14:47:01]

jya:

http://www.avenard.org/files/media/mediatest/ . . . urround/AC3/

[14:47:18]

jya:

http://www.avenard.org/files/media/mediatest/ . . . urround/DTS/

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jello:

jya: it's definitely alsa, not the receiver, right?

[14:48:58]

jya:

most likely yes

[14:49:03]

jya:

you can try this however

[14:49:08]

jya:

go back into the audio settings

[14:49:17]

jya:

re-enable digital audio by checking AC3

[14:49:21]

jya:

go into advanced

[14:49:39]

jya:

check SPDIF 48kHz rate override

[14:51:00]

jello:

jya: garbage

[14:52:12]

jya:

okâ€¦ uncheck the SPDIF 48kHz rate override option

[14:52:52]

jya:

check: separate digital output device, and type: OpenDevice hdmi:CARD=PCH,DEV=1,AES0=6

[14:53:17]

jya:

sorry: ALSA:hdmi:CARD=PCH,DEV=1,AES0=6

[14:55:15]

jello:

jya: still garbage

[14:55:29]

jya:

oh wellâ€¦. uncheck all options

[14:55:36]

jya:

going back to previous setting

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jya:

and disable digital audio (uncheck AC3, DTS etc..)

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jello:

jya: okay

[14:55:56]

jya:

something fishy with your card.

[14:56:15]

jya:

there's no audio loss there, you'll get myth decoding the digital audio instead of the amplifier

[14:56:19]

jya:

end result is the same

[14:56:43]

jya:

except for playing DTS-HD MA, you'll only get the 5.1 DTS core only

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jello:

i don't even know what that means

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jello:

jya: thanks for your help!

[14:59:22]

jya:

your welcome

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jello:

beer on me next time you're in nyc

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tootr:

I am having immense trouble with my remote control; I have a receiver that came with the Asus P7131, and I did these steps: http://pastebin.com/36DQj5Ru However, if I press a button even a moment after pressing another button, the first button repeats! I've read lots of threads from the mailing lists about repeating buttons, and did the last bit of the pastebin as suggested by many.

[15:02:20]

wagnerrp:

jya: "Enable servers on this machine to listen on link-local addresses. These are auto-configured addresses and not accessible outside the local network. This must be enabled for some parts of Airplay to work."

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wagnerrp:

sound accurate?

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jya:

anything relying on bonjour would be more accurate...

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jya:

you're adding a setting ?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, checkbox below the two IP settings in mythtv-setup, enabled by default

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jya:

I still reckon that's wrong there.. as it only matters for mythfrontend.

[15:04:37]

jya:

but if enabled by default, that will do

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tootr:

The lirc repeat & delay parameters doesn't seem to help. Nor does the --delay & --period in ir-keytable.

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tootr:

I am starting to thing it might be a kernel driver issue? On 3.3.8-gentoo

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tootr:

What sort of IR receivers do you guys use for Myth? Faced anything of this sort?

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wagnerrp:

mceusb

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tootr:

Ah, and for that you just configured LIRC with mceusb support, or did you have to muck around with ir-keytable?

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wagnerrp:

i think i had to rebuild a new lircd.conf for lirc 0.9.0+

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tootr:

I suspect it is related to http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1107.1/00059.html

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tootr:

Because he used to have the exact same issue (he described it well: "So if someone presses up, then down, with less than 4 seconds in between, they'd get the initial up, then up and down upon pressing down.".

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tootr:

Looks like it was 4 seconds before, this patch (which is in the mainline kernel) reduced it to 500ms, and if I press the button within 500ms the problem shows up. It doesn't if it's roughtly 800ms.

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tootr:

I will play with fire and try reducing the delay variable manually to 100ms. Wonder what else it would affect though

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smoothifier:

hi guys. I tried my first mythtranscode job today after creating a cutlist. i was getting this error "Please ensure that recording profiles for the transcoder are set" until I went to mythtv-setup and saved each of the profiles in turn. that did the trick and the job is now running. is this something you're aware of?

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smoothifier:

0.25-fixes by the way. my database is fairly new.

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davygrvy:

Is there such a thing as a DVB-T tuner that supports ATSC and DiSEqC 1.2?

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wagnerrp:

not sure why anyone would spend the money to manufacture such a beast

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davygrvy:

cause CEA-909A died

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wagnerrp:

but there is nowhere you might want to use both DVB-T and ATSC at the same time

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davygrvy:

I don't :)

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jwh:

diseqc on dvb-t?

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jwh:

wat

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davygrvy:

I want either ATSC and DiSEqC 1.2

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wagnerrp:

he wants an ATSC tuner with rotor support

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davygrvy:

or ATSC and CEA-909A which ain't gonna happen

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davygrvy:

exactly.. and possibly switching

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wagnerrp:

switching?

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jwh:

switching between what, theres usually only one service per region

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davygrvy:

no, not to DVB-T

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wagnerrp:

youre never going to get more than one station per channel within range of sensible equipment

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wagnerrp:

so theres no reason to have switching

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wagnerrp:

he might have more information for you

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davygrvy:

let's start again.. is there such a thing as a DVB-S2 tuner that can also do ATSC and has DiSEqC 1.2?

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jwh:

not likely

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davygrvy:

i figured as the frequency range for the two aren't close

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jwh:

entirely different delivery systems too

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davygrvy:

hence the switching provided by DiSEqC 1.2

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wagnerrp:

davygrvy: but why would you need switching?

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davygrvy:

so getting a tuner with ATSC and has DiSEqC 1.2 not possible?

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wagnerrp:

you use switching for satellite, because you have multiple satellites all transmitting the same frequencies

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wagnerrp:

when you have separate frequencies, its not required

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davygrvy:

yes, multiple LNBs

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wagnerrp:

if you NEED to pick up different directions, use multiple antenna and bandpass combiners

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davygrvy:

that would be three antenna at least

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davygrvy:

actually four

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devinheitmueller:

There aren't any cards I'm aware of which combine ATSC and DVB-S or S2.

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jwh:

even if they did exist, they'd be horrendously expensive

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wagnerrp:

http://www.tvantenna.com/support/tutorials/combining.html

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jwh:

can't you just buy seperate cards and fix up the channel lists?

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devinheitmueller:

Even the cases where you have combined DVB-S2 and DVB-T cards, it's a single PCB with two different tuners and demodulators.

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: he doesnt actually want that, he just wants a way to use a rotor with ATSC

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devinheitmueller:

Oh.

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devinheitmueller:

Gotcha. Yeah as far as I know there aren't any of those either.

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davygrvy:

guess ir blaster then.. drat

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wagnerrp:

davygrvy: see link

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davygrvy:

frackin' CEA-909A died in '08

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wagnerrp:

how is it that you need high gain antenna in four different directions?/

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wagnerrp:

i mean youre either going to be in the center of a bunch of antenna, and they'll be sufficiently high power an omnidirectional one will do

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wagnerrp:

or youre going to be distant from multiple population centers

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davygrvy:

ch50 in santa rosa awful low in the mud.. same for ch36 in the opposite direction, then hVHF pointed to sutro

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wagnerrp:

and one or two will get you all the major networks, with no need to triple or quadruple up on them

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wagnerrp:

just pick the one best direction, get a pole, and a big honking antenna

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davygrvy:

that would be three big honkers minimum

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wagnerrp:

to get all the channels possible? or to get the major broadcast networks that you're actually likely to want to watch?

[17:37:19]

davygrvy:

i want 36 and 50, too. Easy with a rotator

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davygrvy:

damn.. going to have to be IR blaster controlling it then

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no support for controllable antenna except through disecq

[17:39:08]

wagnerrp:

you can fake it with analog and the channel changer scripts, but digital inputs dont support channel changer scripts

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davygrvy:

great! shot me now!

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jwh:

just get satellite? seems easier :P

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wagnerrp:

the only way you could make it work is through adapting this.... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4328

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davygrvy:

:)

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wagnerrp:

and scanning is still going to be a hassle

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jwh:

I have similar woes though, dvb-t transmitter either side, need both really

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davygrvy:

that's what manual add is for

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wagnerrp:

jwh: see the 'tvantenna.com' link

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jwh:

wagnerrp: yeah it's just a case of getting onto the roof

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jwh:

total nightmare

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davygrvy:

thanks guys.. smoke time to gather my thoughts

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jwh:

3 storey building, health and safety regs mean the tallest ladders are about 8 foot short

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wagnerrp:

heh

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lapion:

I have a Radeon 9200 SE with foss driver any hints on how to get rid of tearing

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laga:

lapion: have you checked the wiki?

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wizbit:

my frontend keeps on losing connection to the backend

[18:12:45]

wizbit:

actually both frontends keep losing connection

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wizbit:

that means there is a problem with my backend

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wizbit:

1 frontend log says this: https://paste.lugons.org/raw/sCwsBiVGyOaXXPus1z1Y/

[18:13:40]

wizbit:

this has more info: https://paste.lugons.org/raw/3rABEpIYLlx1TsRy5zGD/

[18:14:40]

wizbit:

the other frontend log says this: https://paste.lugons.org/raw/i1nRXQ0NQZnyumsj4L1Z/

[18:15:13]

wizbit:

and the mythbackend has no errors in the log

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wizbit:

strange

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sphery:

you're posting the log messages that occur after the connection is lost/backend becomes unresponsive--i.e. useless in figuring out what happened

[18:15:45]

wizbit:

mythbackend is running

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wizbit:

mythtv 16483 2.2 1.7 740988 64512 ? Ssl Jul08 33:39 /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v --noupnp --user mythtv --logpath /var/log/mythtv -p /var/run/mythbackend.pid -d

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wizbit:

but the frontends wont connect to it

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sphery:

because the network connection isn't working

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sphery:

or the backend is not responding or ...

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wizbit:

the frontend does not say it has lost connection to the backend, when i view recordings i just says no recordings exist

[18:17:08]

wizbit:

strange

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wizbit:

it was working fine last ngiht

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wizbit:

i cannot connect to mythweb either

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wizbit:

mythfilldatabase: https://paste.lugons.org/raw/I1s9YmKyiuraCuSIgzVT/

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wizbit:

the backend has died on its own with no errors in log

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wizbit:

mythbackend is filled with this: https://paste.lugons.org/raw/BMdnRPyhsGgyfjZwcs0q/

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** wizbit does a new git pull on 25.1 fixes **

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lapion:

laga, fe is not using rtc but drm for timing

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lapion:

laga, the wiki explains only about rtc

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wizbit:

killall -9 mythbackend

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wizbit:

git pull

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wizbit:

make && make install

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wizbit:

frontends now workign

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ali1234:

my mythtv backend system crashed from the leap-second bug, and now it doesn't work properly at all

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kormoc:

reboot?

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ali1234:

i have done, several times

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kormoc:

logs?

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wagnerrp:

leap second bug?

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kormoc:

there was a kernel bug triggered by ntp's leap second handling code

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ali1234:

this is when it crashed: https://plus.google.com/117474986382867317779/posts/aGAeKMA5RdJ

[23:20:07]

wagnerrp:

did it make a core dump by chance?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/7/1/203

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ali1234:

so, the weird thing is, after the crash, it kept on doing scheduled recordings for 2 days

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ali1234:

but when i tried to watch live tv, it would always get signal lock timeout

[23:21:23]

ali1234:

and from then on scheduled recordings also failed

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ali1234:

so then i rebooted it, and same

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wagnerrp:

after the crash, it shouldnt even be running

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wagnerrp:

unless something automatically restarted the backend

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** Beirdo has a coughing fit as he breathes in his water. **

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Beirdo:

you'd think I'd learn by now. jeez

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sphery:

ali1234: optimize_mythdb.pl

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** Beirdo dons the headphones. **

[23:28:09]

ali1234:

here is a section of log from when it stopped working: http://pastebin.com/r9tWj33f

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ali1234:

the only unusual thing i see is "TVRec(1): PauseRecorder() called with no recorder"

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ali1234:

that's something it never said before

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ali1234:

right, i installed all OS updates and it's working again. probably was a DB problem.

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ali1234:

not tried livetv yet though...

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