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| [05:33:29] | mtrax: | hi can anyone point me where to set locale for Mythtv |
| [05:33:31] | mtrax: | CoreContext mythcorecontext.cpp:227 (Init) – Assumed character encoding: en_AU |
| [05:33:53] | mtrax: | I have set my i18n LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 |
| [05:34:03] | mtrax: | but mythtv doesn't seem to find it |
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| [08:30:55] | Oleg_: | my tooth is in pain |
| [08:31:04] | Oleg_: | tell me something to make the pain go away |
| [08:31:15] | Oleg_: | I wanna get rid of this pain |
| [08:34:11] | Oleg_: | I am drinking hot tea |
| [08:34:27] | Oleg_: | the feeling of hot tea in my mouth makes the pain more bearable |
| [08:36:02] | jduggan: | dentist can probably help with that |
| [08:36:14] | Oleg_: | yeah, but it's only 4:36 am |
| [08:36:43] | jduggan: | ok then string and a door handle :) |
| [08:37:03] | Oleg_: | that will make the pain even stronger |
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| [08:38:07] | jduggan: | ok then i suggest pain killers for now ;) |
| [08:38:24] | Oleg_: | no pain killers at home |
| [08:40:52] | jduggan: | 24hr supermarket? |
| [08:41:11] | Oleg_: | nope |
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| [10:18:43] | hefeweiz3n: | hi, I have a problem with my master/secondary backend configuration |
| [10:19:10] | hefeweiz3n: | the remote tuner on the secondary backend is always listed as "not connected" even though the backend is running |
| [10:19:45] | hefeweiz3n: | where can i start to look/what might I have confiogured wrong? |
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| [13:36:50] | beadle: | would it break something for mythconverg.channel.channum to be numeric instead of varchar? I need to sort in a query and update visible flag. it's just harder this way.... |
| [13:37:56] | beadle: | like where channum>170 and channum<180 |
| [13:38:09] | stuartm: | beadle: yeah it would break things for US users where their channels numbers are expressed with underscores for sub-channels (ATSC concept) e.g. 5_2 |
| [13:38:20] | beadle: | ahhh ok thanks |
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| [13:39:01] | beadle: | has there been any interest in breaking out the major minor channel parts? |
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| [13:41:13] | beadle: | so I should be able to do where cast(channum as unsigned)>170 and cast(channum as unsigned)<180 I think. |
| [13:41:32] | beadle: | since I only have numeric channels |
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| [14:02:56] | dekarl-too: | beadle: why not use the bindings for manipulating the channels? And for 9 channels I'd just use the 9 callsigns, so your script will continue to work even if the channels are moved around |
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| [14:08:18] | beadle: | dekarl-too: I don't know what you mean by using the bindings. most of the channels I get from the Ceton InfiniTV card are encrypted that was just the first bank. if you mean use the name column that's probably not so reliable so I can more easily check my work by channel really. sorry if I miss your point! |
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| [14:09:18] | stuartm: | beadle: you can choose to omit encrypted channels during the scanning phase, although I don't actually know what kind of device the Ceton is so maybe that wouldn't apply |
| [14:10:05] | beadle: | stuartm: right the card isn't supported for scanning. it binds to the channels from my SD feed |
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| [14:13:32] | beadle: | it uses a cable card |
| [14:13:40] | dekarl-too: | beadle: I was trying to suggest to use the Perl/Python API to MythTV instead of direct database manipulation |
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| [14:15:06] | beadle: | heh I guess I just saw it as a database problem... ;) |
| [14:17:58] | sphery: | for 10 channels, why not just use the channel editor to set the visible flag |
| [14:18:10] | sphery: | the mythweb channel editor would allow you to do it in one submission |
| [14:19:04] | sphery: | but, yeah, direct db manipulation isn't ideal unless you know every nuance of the schema and every data constraint in mythtv |
| [14:19:15] | ** sphery knows of no one in the world who does ** | |
| [14:19:26] | beadle: | sphery: mythtv doesn't yet do well with this card. if the channel is unplayable I have to kill the frontend. it's a fedora 16 distribution but here the 'e' to edit a channel doesn't work. I can't enter anything into the fields. and mythwed fails to save channel updates. |
| [14:19:47] | sphery: | so fix the problem, don't work around it :) |
| [14:19:56] | beadle: | heheh yep |
| [14:20:23] | sphery: | mythweb fails to save channel updates because you/your distro has configured php to have a maximum limit on post requests that's too small for the plethora of channels you have in your video sources |
| [14:20:27] | beadle: | to update visible db manipulation works. I just had to type out all the cast stuff |
| [14:20:36] | sphery: | so configure php properly, and the mythweb editor will work fine |
| [14:20:51] | beadle: | sphery: thanks. I'll take a look |
| [14:21:15] | sphery: | beadle: something like in this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/272216#272216 |
| [14:21:40] | sphery: | note that there's a php one, an apache on, and (if applicable for your system), a suhosin one |
| [14:22:57] | sphery: | and, as for the e during playback, that won't work if the channel is unusable... so for that, you'd use the mythtv-setup channel editor (which doesn't attempt to tune or play the channel) |
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| [14:24:06] | sphery: | beadle: and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/505857#505857 |
| [14:24:11] | beadle: | mythweb could put visible column closer to name – I have to maximize and it's hard to follow the row over to the visible checkbox. |
| [14:24:41] | sphery: | yeah, would be nice if you could hide columns you don't want to see |
| [14:25:02] | sphery: | eventually, though, that whole editor will disappear and you'll use the one built into mythbackend's http server |
| [14:25:11] | sphery: | (and it will support hiding/choosing columns) |
| [14:25:31] | beadle: | cool! |
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| [14:27:56] | beadle: | ...waiting for mythfilldatabase.... |
| [14:28:43] | beadle: | does it update program data for channels that are visible==false? |
| [14:28:48] | sphery: | yes |
| [14:28:54] | beadle: | k |
| [14:29:01] | sphery: | ideally, if you're not using them at all, you'd remove them from the schedules direct lineup |
| [14:29:38] | beadle: | I have HDHomeRun Dual on my real PVR and this ceton card uses the cable/digital feed from SD but so does the workhorse |
| [14:30:50] | sphery: | yeah, if you use them with an analog recorder, then leaving them in there is fine |
| [14:31:07] | sphery: | s/fine/good/ :) |
| [14:33:12] | beadle: | yeah I'm only holding on to the InfiniTV to use from a dual-boot box so I can watch some of the HBO Preview coming up. It was an expensive experiment :( |
| [14:38:54] | beadle: | sphery: I see what you mean. channel.visible is false but mythtv-setup channel editor does not see that. I think you were saying mythweb can fix this? |
| [14:39:20] | beadle: | I mean that it will save this value correctly for both mythweb channel listings as well as mythfrontend? |
| [14:45:42] | wagnerrp: | dekarl-too: neither the perl nor python bindings have any real mechanism for editing channels |
| [14:45:45] | dekarl-too: | there is no attribute to a channel that will do what we want :( |
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| [14:46:15] | wagnerrp: | the python bindings have a Channel class, but thats really nothing more than database access through an object, so you dont have to do all the SQL syntax manualllllllly |
| [14:46:16] | dekarl-too: | "what we want" is "mark a channel such that it is handled as if it did not exist" |
| [14:46:59] | wagnerrp: | you access the various fields as attributes, and run update() or create() |
| [14:47:02] | wagnerrp: | but the names are all the same |
| [14:49:16] | dekarl-too: | we need some setup/backend scripting language and a MythTV domain object model :) (that was suggested earlier for EITFixups so that localization teams can maintain them instead of hardcoding the fixups in C++) |
| [14:49:42] | wagnerrp: | well the bindings effectively provide that object model |
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| [14:50:02] | wagnerrp: | its just that you still need to know the limitations of the database schema to know how to modify that object |
| [14:51:33] | beadle: | where does mythfrontend look for visible channels |
| [14:52:00] | ** wagnerrp heads back out ** | |
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| [14:53:27] | dekarl-too: | beadle, if I understood correctly you cannot make them go away in LiveTV channel changing or guide searches |
| [14:54:02] | sphery: | beadle: it should work fine in mythtv-setup |
| [14:54:47] | sphery: | (as well as mythfrontend, etc) |
| [14:54:48] | stuartm: | dekarl-too: you can, if they aren't visible they won't appear in the guide or livetv, although they might still appear in the Program Finder, they certainly did the last time I checked |
| [14:55:04] | sphery: | beadle: note, also, that not visible channels are still (currently) available in Live TV |
| [14:55:05] | beadle: | my mistake. it does seem that mythtv-setup channel editor shows the visible flag correctly. |
| [14:55:22] | stuartm: | sphery: available, but not visible in browse mode etc |
| [14:55:28] | sphery: | there's a proposal to eventually change visible to be what users think it is (and how they attempt to use it)--as a disabled flag |
| [14:55:34] | stuartm: | only if you enter the channel number directly |
| [14:55:53] | sphery: | right... just not sure what wasn't working the way he expected |
| [14:56:05] | dekarl-too: | stuartm: cool, I was just parroting back something that I had heard when I was looking for a way to "behave as if they were not there" |
| [14:56:14] | sphery: | and, yeah, won't show up in epg or browse mode |
| [14:58:29] | stuartm: | aye, they are hidden from view in the UI, hence 'visible' but still accessible for direct access if you know they are there, which I believe was the intention since it allows MHEG content channels to work or stuff like adult channels to be reached but not advertised in the EPG |
| [15:00:02] | beadle: | to handle the case where channels exist in the SD feed but local modifications are in effect (such as hiding a channel that is not playable or tuning a custom or such) the wiki I believe says to set visible in channel table, right? |
| [15:00:24] | sphery: | stuartm: so, did you hear about Linus's comments about nvidia support? Might be NSFW: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/18/torvalds_curses_nvidia/ |
| [15:00:26] | beadle: | err unset visible |
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| [15:01:17] | stuartm: | sphery: I did, I'm not sure it's smart to piss off the only graphics company releasing fully working drivers ... |
| [15:01:30] | sphery: | beadle: note that visible channel is a per-video-source thing |
| [15:02:04] | sphery: | beadle: so, you need 2 video sources if you want to mark some channels as not available to some inputs and available to others |
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| [15:02:22] | sphery: | beadle: that means one SD lineup, and 2 MythTV video sources sharing that one lineup |
| [15:02:30] | beadle: | oh more of a way to eliminate duplicates then |
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| [15:02:52] | sphery: | then, either delete the channels from the ceton video source that aren't available through it |
| [15:03:12] | sphery: | (which is the preferred approach) or mark the channels not available through ceton as not visible on the ceton |
| [15:03:25] | sphery: | the 2nd approach has /absolutely/ no benefit for a non-scannable capture device |
| [15:03:54] | sphery: | but, you /must/ have 2 different video sources if you have different lists of available channels |
| [15:04:54] | beadle: | I expect they'll be adding new channels during this switch to all-digital and it seemed deleting the channel from my local system or hiding it at SD (which is more of a problem since another machine uses that listing) would be a lot of work. much nicer if visible meant something in livetv. it's not my biggest concern. schedule won't include them. |
| [15:05:22] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, it's funny--and he's right that they're not "supporting" Linux in the F/LOSS way, but then again the closed drivers they produce are much better for what we (in mythtv) need than any others |
| [15:06:13] | sphery: | beadle: but you still have to mark it not visible on your local machine |
| [15:06:22] | sphery: | i.e. exactly the same effort as deleting it |
| [15:07:01] | sphery: | (or possibly less, as you simply hit D on the channel in the channel editor, versus selecting the channel, then going to the right screen of channel properties, then unselecting the visible checkbox) |
| [15:07:13] | beadle: | well, ok that's probably true. sql update is pretty nice shortcut |
| [15:07:26] | stuartm: | sphery: right, I can't actually see many linux users agreeing with him, we might all wish NVidia would cooperate more on open source drivers but at the end of the day what we all really want is working drivers and NVidia are the only ones supplying them (neither the closed or open source drivers from any other manufacturer really work as well as they should) |
| [15:08:15] | beadle: | um I didnt rea;lize D would delete a channel I was viewing... again though they're unplayable so mythtv frontend is not responsive in that situation |
| [15:08:30] | sphery: | D deletes a channel in mythtv-setup, not in live tv |
| [15:08:37] | beadle: | ahh |
| [15:08:52] | stuartm: | far from pushing Nvidia to cooperate I think it's more likely to just make them re-think linux support entirely |
| [15:09:12] | sphery: | yeah, it seems that they're far more interested in the embedded market, now |
| [15:09:34] | sphery: | and for good reason--after being pushed out of x86 chipset market by intel |
| [15:09:56] | sphery: | plus the "seemingly endless" growth of the mobile device market |
| [15:10:38] | stuartm: | I can't believe that Linus is unaware that you don't get want you want from people by shouting obscenities at them |
| [15:10:41] | sphery: | (oh, wait, it is endless--all 7B people on earth will have at least a smartphone, and a tablet... this is what I'm hearing about from the market watchers!) |
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| [15:11:05] | stuartm: | guilt them sure, apply public pressure on them but don't give them the finger |
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| [15:12:29] | dekarl-too: | no "all executeables should be installed for frontends and backends, beat your local packager" reply yet? |
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| [15:13:31] | sphery: | I've decided that those 10MB are just way too valuable to waste... I've changed my mind on split installs! |
| [15:14:37] | dekarl-too: | ahh, that explains everything... so well just file a bug "that executable belongs to the backend mate" :) |
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| [15:19:01] | sphery: | dekarl-too: not sure that will work. The 28kB of mythpreviewgen will make mythbackend /way/ too heavy to install on a system that saves and processes multi-GB recordings |
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| [15:27:55] | dekarl-too: | sphery, they just got the wrong badge... I fixed it now! http://static.inky.ws/image/2190/image.jpg |
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| [21:11:25] | skd5aner: | Well, looks like I'll be a Comcast Customer here in about a month... I guess buying that prime for cheap will pay off sooner than expected |
| [21:12:17] | skd5aner: | although, I can honestly say I am not looking forward to the whole cablecard activation process and dealing with customer service |
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| [22:01:04] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: you happen to be around? |
| [22:01:22] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: yeah |
| [22:01:34] | skd5aner: | quick Q for you – HDPVR firmware.... |
| [22:01:52] | skd5aner: | I've never updated it since unboxing, dmesg shows I'm running firmware version 0x12 |
| [22:02:12] | skd5aner: | I know there were some issues with some version of the firmware + some kernel versions |
| [22:02:47] | devinheitmueller: | Yup |
| [22:03:04] | skd5aner: | any suggestions on if I should plug it in to a windows machine and update or not? |
| [22:03:21] | skd5aner: | running kernal v3.2.0 |
| [22:03:29] | skd5aner: | kernel |
| [22:03:47] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: if you have firmware version 0x16 or higher then you need kernel 3.4 |
| [22:03:56] | skd5aner: | Also, I don't really know how to translate the firmware version that dmesg outputs to driver version # that hauppauge refers to |
| [22:04:29] | skd5aner: | also – any good changelogs out there to indicate what's changed between 0x12+? |
| [22:04:31] | devinheitmueller: | On the Hauppauge support site, I had them publish a link to the old driver for Linux users. That was version 0x15 if I recall. |
| [22:05:11] | skd5aner: | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_hdpvr.html ;– yea, I think it used to, but I no longer see it... |
| [22:05:21] | devinheitmueller: | There are no such changelogs other than the high level explanations on the firmware page. The most recent changes were related to a/v sync with certain set top boxes. |
| [22:06:02] | devinheitmueller: | Looks like they restructured the site. They must have lost the link. |
| [22:06:07] | skd5aner: | :/ |
| [22:07:06] | skd5aner: | Well, I was debating if updating is a good idea or not, even if it was to 0x15, but I have no idea what's ultimatley changed in those 3 releases between to determine if it's worth the effort or not – wasn't sure if you had any insight to enlighten me :) |
| [22:07:41] | devinheitmueller: | If your setup works, then stick with it. If you're having reliability problems or A/V sync issues with SPDIF, then upgrade. |
| [22:09:38] | skd5aner: | well, as I've talked about before – I've had a variety of issues, but I think the latest was related to the power supply |
| [22:10:10] | skd5aner: | I'm guessing it had those bad plastic caps in them... but I think mine was actually supposed to be from the "newer" batch and not the old defective batch |
| [22:10:25] | devinheitmueller: | There have been a stream of fixes over the years. I cannot speak to which releases address which bugs. |
| [22:10:34] | skd5aner: | I was getting about 80% failure, but now I've had ~6 straight days of no issues, so... |
| [22:11:16] | skd5aner: | I had a NIB one, that was actually one revision older, and used the power supply from that box and now the HDPVR is trucking right along |
| [22:11:39] | skd5aner: | Guess I'll leave it alone for now :) |
| [22:11:53] | skd5aner: | anyway – thanks for the info, I knew you had a little background around it |
| [22:12:13] | devinheitmueller: | Most of the bugs have been related to problems with specific set top boxes (e.g. satellite receivers, SPDIF, etc). |
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| [22:12:36] | skd5aner: | Just upgrading my HDHR firmware, it was running ~2.5 year old firmware – 20091024 |
| [22:13:17] | skd5aner: | Well, I'm getting ready to move and switch cable providers anyway – so a new STB for me in a month... any problems I have today will be different tomorrow |
| [22:13:19] | devinheitmueller: | The HDHR is a very different beast, with its own class of problems different from the HD-PVR. |
| [22:13:28] | skd5aner: | maybe I'll be able to change channels with firewire again :) |
| [22:13:34] | devinheitmueller: | heh |
| [22:13:53] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, when I was using my HD-PVR, I used firewire for the channel changing. |
| [22:14:03] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: yea, I know... just figured for the first time in nearly 3 years I'd go out and check the firmware on both the HDHR and the HDPVR |
| [22:14:10] | devinheitmueller: | sure |
| [22:14:42] | skd5aner: | I used firewire to change channels for a few years, but then TWC decided to push new software to my STB and it did "very bad things" anytime it tried to change the channel after that |
| [22:14:51] | skd5aner: | had to resort to lirc (yuck) |
| [22:15:37] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, IR support for the HD-PVR under Linux continues to be a mess (no disrespect to j-rod) |
| [22:17:36] | skd5aner: | yea, although I'm using it via an MCE transceiver |
| [22:17:40] | skd5aner: | MCEUSB |
| [22:18:44] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: thanks again for the insight |
| [22:19:18] | devinheitmueller: | np |
| [22:19:20] | skd5aner: | time for Taco... Monday? Wait... isn't it supposed to be Taco Tuesday? oh well... who cares |
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