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Wednesday, June 6th, 2012, 00:00 UTC
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[00:18:21] tgm4883: sphery, here is the results of the SQL query you had me run
[00:18:22] tgm4883: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1026009/
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[02:34:49] aramus: Hi there does anyone know how to enable the pulse-eight cec adapter in myth .25
[02:34:50] aramus: Hi there does anyone know how to enable the pulse-eight cec adapter in myth .25?
[02:34:55] aramus: ah sorry for the touble
[02:34:59] aramus: double*
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[03:46:02] HelpExport: Hello, I have a question about mythvidexport.py I am interested in exporting a recording OUT OF mythtv completely, the recording's file name would use metadata like mythvidexport.py does
[03:46:28] HelpExport: what would need to be added to mythvidexport to make that happen?
[03:46:57] HelpExport: or is mythvidexport.py the wrong script for that type of job?
[03:47:06] HelpExport: i'm on myth 0.24.1
[03:49:00] wagnerrp: just use mythlink.pl
[03:50:07] wagnerrp: mythvidexport is specifically intended to transfer content into the video library
[03:50:21] wagnerrp: mythlink just generates symlinks using the same formatting syntax
[03:50:35] wagnerrp: after which all you need to do to "export" is copy the file elsewhere
[03:53:20] HelpExport: rather than a symlink, can it make a fully copy of the file?
[03:53:37] HelpExport: I'd like to move it to a different server for long term storage
[03:53:46] HelpExport: and delete it out of mythtv
[03:56:38] wagnerrp: just configure mythlink.pl to run at the end of a recording, and then put an rsync one-liner that runs nightly and collects everything
[04:03:31] HelpExport: it looks like what I really wanted was mythrename.pl
[04:04:09] HelpExport: I guess using mythlink.pl with cp -L to copy the files to where I want them would work
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[04:09:59] HelpExport: but mythlink.pl does not do any meta look up
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[04:11:10] HelpExport: Apparently mythlink.pl does not do meta data lookup, so its file name won't include season / episode numbers
[04:12:44] HelpExport: I really wanted to make a copy of a recording, to another directory with the file name being something like: Title Season-Episode – Subtitle
[04:13:17] HelpExport: so that xbmc or another media frontend could use its own grabber to reconstruct meta data
[04:18:13] lucas^: I think XBMC can read embedded metadata tags
[04:18:49] HelpExport: but mythlink.pl isn't going to embed anything?
[04:19:14] HelpExport: I dont see in the script where it retrieves any meta data
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[04:21:45] lucas^: you could use the tvdb python bindings to get those if you know how to write Python
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[04:23:28] HelpExport: maybe I could piece it together with the relevant sections of mythvidexport.py am I really the first person to have a need for this? What about people who want to export a recording to an android device and want a human readable file name?
[04:24:08] wagnerrp: HelpExport: update to 0.25
[04:24:36] wagnerrp: additional metadata lookup beyond what the EPG provider gives can be done automatically
[04:24:52] wagnerrp: oh.... embedded
[04:25:08] lucas^: HelpExport: I've been putting off work on something that does a bunch of stuff to export a recording to an automatically tagged H.264 iPod-compatible video
[04:25:09] wagnerrp: no, neither mythlink.pl nor mythvidexport.py do any alteration to the original file
[04:25:10] HelpExport: I would....except that I have the x264 transcoder + commercial remover script working perfectly now
[04:25:30] lucas^: works with WTV episodes in W7MC too
[04:25:58] lucas^: all I need to do is integrate it so that it makes an entry in the MythVideo tables, and that's going to be a pita
[04:26:14] lucas^: along with integration in the job queue / etc.
[04:26:33] lucas^: and then just package it with all the prerequisite utilities and deploy
[04:27:05] HelpExport: Lucas that would be perfect, I have a disperate set of media players in my house: I have XBMC front ends and mythtv front ends, Iphone 4s and androids, thats why I need the files name a certain way with the season and episode info, so atleast mythicallibrarian can do its own TVDB grab based on the file name
[04:27:30] wagnerrp: PITA why?
[04:27:35] HelpExport: I really want to use Mythtv just as a DVR, short term stuff. The shows I want to keep I need to be able to play back on all the above
[04:28:08] lucas^: I'm still not entirely clear on how MythVideo works
[04:28:16] wagnerrp: ugh... mythicallibrarian...
[04:28:22] lucas^: also it's been like two or three months before I've touched this stuff
[04:28:23] wagnerrp: any time your bash script hits 2k lines
[04:28:30] wagnerrp: its a good time to rethink your design
[04:28:58] HelpExport: 2k lines of code in a file ought to require a compiler
[04:29:39] lucas^: what is it in FreeBSD ... portupgrade? ... which is basically just one huge bash script which acts loosely as a package manager
[04:29:50] lucas^: no, portmaster
[04:29:52] wagnerrp: i tried dissuading the author a couple years back, but "bash is the ideal language for dealing with text data"
[04:30:01] wagnerrp: lucas^: ive got similar thoughts about that
[04:30:11] wagnerrp: although in their case, they did it to keep dependencies down
[04:30:20] lucas^: well, portupgrade is in Ruby, and requires about ten billion dependencies
[04:30:23] lucas^: and is a POS
[04:30:36] lucas^: whether portmaster is maintainable, I dunno
[04:30:43] lucas^: but it works great
[04:31:20] wagnerrp: i've used it, but yeah... i'd hate to ever try to maintain it
[04:32:02] HelpExport: so I basically have to modify mythlink.pl with the TVDB python stuff to grab the season / episode info for the file names
[04:32:16] lucas^: in terms of unmaintainable crap, I can't think of any better example than http://jdmcox.com/USAPhotoMaps.cpp
[04:32:22] wagnerrp: well... you wouldnt modify a perl script with python modules
[04:32:38] HelpExport: i forgot to tell you i am illiterate
[04:33:09] wagnerrp: if you want the season/episode info, upgrade to 0.25, and add the couple lines necessary to add those as new string/replace values
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[04:33:33] wagnerrp: in 0.25, there is an optional jobqueue task that will pull such data automatically for recordings
[04:33:48] lucas^: sounds like a pretty cool addition
[04:35:06] HelpExport: I am afraid that my automatic commercial cutter + mpeg2 lossess converter + x264 transcoder – resizer will break on upgrading to 0.25
[04:35:13] wagnerrp: lucas^: anyway, if the content youre trying to import exists on thetvdb/themoviedb, its all of a couple lines of python to add it to the video library
[04:35:15] HelpExport: it took A LONG time to get it working
[04:36:07] wagnerrp: use MythTV.VideoGrabber(['movie'|'television']) to access mythtv's grabbers
[04:36:36] wagnerrp: performing a search using one will return a list of MythTV.VideoMetadata objects
[04:36:49] wagnerrp: which can be imported using MythTV.Video.importMetadata
[04:37:12] wagnerrp: the file itself can be added with MythTV.Video.fromFilename
[04:39:06] lucas^: thanks, I'll play around with that manually and see how it works
[04:39:56] lucas^: I think my Python script accesses tvdb_api.py manually, I can't remember why.
[04:41:05] wagnerrp: https://github.com/wagnerrp/mythtv-scripts/bl . . . ideo_scan.py will give you some details of the data grabber interface at the bottom
[04:41:16] wagnerrp: although the scanner used up top has since been removed
[04:41:26] wagnerrp: since there is a scanner accessible in the backend in 0.25
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[07:43:45] phillipcc: hi i am trying to run mythfilldatabase and i am getting a heap of errors here is one of them anyone have any ideas what might be wrong at all
[07:43:47] phillipcc: MythSocket(f0d210:12): readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms
[07:44:09] phillipcc: Protocol version check failure.
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[13:06:53] Kuhne: Also I'm having playback issues with airplay. The videos app works, however not the plex app.
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[19:31:37] shubes: I just upgraded from 0.24 to 0.25. Things are working ok for the most part, but with the terra theme, larger channel numbers show as 1... instead of 10_1. Single digit channels appear ok. Anyone else seeing this?
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[20:27:27] MylesMan: can som1 help me? i have my mthbox connected to my tv via hdmi how do i enable the cec?
[20:27:40] MylesMan: mythbox*
[20:28:58] wagnerrp: graphics cards dont have CEC support
[20:29:07] wagnerrp: outside of a few ARM developmental boards
[20:30:30] ** MylesMan weeps **
[20:30:37] MylesMan: lol k thx
[20:30:59] wagnerrp: pulseeight sells a device that lets you access the CEC interface over USB
[20:31:10] wagnerrp: and there is some form of support for their libcec in mythtv
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[20:39:20] phillipcc: hi is their anywhere on that can help me at all
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[20:40:56] stuartm: shubes: where abouts, the guide, the osd?
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[20:55:53] shubes: stuartm: when viewing live tv, using up/down arrows to select channels.
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[20:58:52] stuartm: ok, that's the OSD, browse mode to be precise
[20:58:55] stuartm: I'll take a look
[20:59:30] stuartm: I don't normally see the channel number because it's hidden by the channel icon if you have those installed
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[21:13:45] stuartm: shubes: I've pushed a fix, in the meantime you can manually edit the theme to give more room for long channel numbers – http://pastebin.com/MfCPcDht
[21:14:12] J-e-f-f-A: OT: So it was announced on Thursday that my company's being bought... This should be interesting...
[21:15:18] stuartm: J-e-f-f-A: your company, or the company you work for?
[21:15:32] J-e-f-f-A: stuartm: The company I work for. Logica
[21:16:03] stuartm: so no 'ker-ching' then :/
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[21:16:37] J-e-f-f-A: stuartm: Yeah, and I don't have any stock... I've only been here 4–1/2 years, and it's a UK based company (and I'm in the US)...
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[21:16:41] stuartm: of course if it was your company you'd know it was being bought before an announcement ...
[21:16:52] J-e-f-f-A: true. ;-)
[21:18:42] J-e-f-f-A: I haven't updated to 0.25 yet – I like to 'refresh' my whole system when I do that, with a newer OS, etc... and usually with a whole new OS disk... Just haven't had the $ to purchase a new drive, or the time to do it... I'm still running FC13!
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[21:33:06] tgm4883: J-e-f-f-A, ah, so you are the one bringing the stats down ;)
[21:34:58] shubes: stuartm: Thanks. The other new themes look nice too, and I'm giving them a shot as well.
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[21:45:15] shubes: stuartm: your patch didn't quite do it. I tried
[21:45:15] shubes: <area>20,95,120,30</area>
[21:45:15] shubes: which appears to cover it for me. That's only big enough for nn_n channel numbers though. Don't know if cable channels get bigger than that or not (I'm only doing broadcast stuff).
[21:47:14] sphery: shubes: are you sure you have the right font loaded? do you see font errors in mythfrontend log file?
[21:47:49] shubes: J-e-f-f-A: I'm running my myth boxes on usb on usb drives (with database and recordings on HDDs). Updates are sure slow, but it's working nicely for regular use. :)
[21:50:07] stuartm: sphery: it actually doesn't surprise me that they don't fit, but there isn't any more room available except for the additional 10px shubes added
[21:50:09] shubes: sphery: not seeing any frontend log errors. I'm running on a standalone front end. myth0.25 on ubuntu 10.4.
[21:50:50] shubes: Wow, guess I lucked out!
[21:51:02] shubes: Just a stab in the dark for me.
[21:51:37] stuartm: the number is normally hidden behind the icon (since I didn't value the actual number if I could see which channel it was using the icon) – of course not everyone opts to use the icon downloader
[21:51:42] sphery: yeah, I just remembered seeing spacing be way off for users without Liberation Sans installed (and who got DejaVu Sans, instead or whatever)
[21:51:50] sphery: so figured it's worth checking
[21:52:41] stuartm: of course this is Terra, which I really want to take around behind the barn and empty both barrels
[21:53:00] sphery: shubes: and, fwiw, seems Liberation Sans is what you need... should see it in: fc-list | grep 'Liberation Sans'
[21:53:15] shubes: lol. Yeah, I'm fond of a few others.
[21:54:10] sphery: stuartm: hehe, I need to get wagnerrp to teach me git subtree, then I can implement my "move all themes to MythTV-Themes and allow authors to approve additional maintainers" plan
[21:54:25] shubes: I do see Liberation Sans in fc-list.
[21:54:44] sphery: ok, then it sounds like you're getting the most you can :)
[21:54:58] shubes: Great. Thanks.
[21:55:01] stuartm: a couple of more recent themes have made me doubt whether my latest theme is good enough, which isn't to say that the perfect theme exists, every one I've seen so far lacks a professional touch
[21:55:24] sphery: I have to say I'm really liking Steppes
[21:55:37] sphery: (and especially that it has both a wide and a square version!)
[21:55:42] shubes: +1 Steppes
[21:56:36] stuartm: yeah, Steppes is very good, but doesn't quite click for me
[21:56:59] stuartm: I'll know it when I see it but I haven't seen it yet
[21:57:22] sphery: the only part of steppes I have to get used to is the purple
[21:57:46] shubes: Yeah, my wife wants to change the purple to brown tones.
[21:57:58] shubes: Goes better with our decor. ;)
[21:58:39] stuartm: heh, the theme I was working on used a strong purple background, I guess jpabq and I both had the same inspiration
[21:59:03] shubes: Consistent with 10.4 I suppose.
[21:59:58] shubes: It'd be sweet if users could change the general base color for a given them.
[22:00:01] stuartm: that's Ubuntu?
[22:00:09] shubes: yeah.
[22:00:24] stuartm: I'm not an Ubuntu user, so I've not seen their newer colour schemes
[22:01:08] shubes: That one's a bit older actually. The 2yo LTS version. Came out in Apr'10. I'm still running it on my desktop.
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[22:02:34] sphery: shubes: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 15936#515936
[22:02:44] shubes: I put the new Ubuntu (12.04 LTS) on my HTPC. Figure I might get used to Unity on that before changing my desktop. I dunno though. I expect I'll end up sticking with some gnome flavor.
[22:04:37] sphery: or go with mythbuntu 12.04 (which uses xfce, IIRC) for the htpc (and can do plain *buntu for desktops)
[22:04:55] shubes: sphery: looks like a good idea to me. Allows variations w/out a lot of duplicate code.
[22:05:17] sphery: yeah
[22:05:23] shubes: I do use mythbuntu 12.04 on my BE.
[22:05:28] sphery: hardest part is "managing" dependencies
[22:05:47] sphery: (i.e. I specify a fallback theme that specifies a different fallback--meaning I no longer get fallback to the 2nd-level)
[22:06:31] shubes: Is there some way of assigning variables, sorta like CSS?
[22:07:51] sphery: no, not at this point
[22:08:10] sphery: some have mentioned the idea of adding qtscript (basically javascript) type support
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[22:08:19] sphery: problem is that it could making theming very challenging
[22:10:57] shubes: I don't know what's there now, so I can't tell. Might get a chance to play with it a little.
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[22:11:34] shubes: Might be doable in a simple fashion. Wouldn't want to make it too complicated.
[22:12:40] shubes: I sure appreciate what others have done with this though. Very impressive.
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[22:20:14] deevee_: Hi. Running .25 and having issues when bringing up the program guide while watching livetv. 80% of the time it is missing channel icons and when scrolling it turns blank. The livetv in the upper left continues to play. Log from the frontend: http://pastebin.com/NpARSEbx Any ideas?
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[22:23:19] deevee_: I have also pulled the newest theme I am using (Retro) from the git repo. It does happen on other themes too.
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[22:33:58] justinh: Retro? I thought that was dead already
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[22:35:55] justinh: oh. it's back. yay :-\
[22:36:19] deevee_: I sure hope not it seems to be the only usable non butt-ugly theme... unless there is one not in the repos that is...
[22:36:36] justinh: non butt-ugly? LOL
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[22:36:57] stuartm: deevee_: from git? Not the theme downloader?
[22:37:18] justinh: I always liked its icons, but then they were made by a guy who does CG for a living
[22:37:42] deevee_: stuarm: used git after i noticed problem thinking that maybe the repo had a more updated version than the downloader. both fail
[22:37:52] stuartm: although iirc we're still listing a fraction of the available themes in the downloader for 0.25 because the authors have yet to confirm their themes are compatible
[22:38:20] deevee_: I really like the guide and osd info of retro/myth-wide--small, simple, and easy to use!
[22:38:38] stuartm: deevee_: latest versions are always available via the downloader, it pulls them automatically
[22:38:42] justinh: I haven't got into theming an OSD again yet
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[22:39:01] justinh: stuck with some damn dull grey thing right now
[22:39:19] deevee_: I've looked into the XMLs and went blind after a half-hour :)
[22:39:34] justinh: ha. you wanna try doing it 'for a living'
[22:40:09] sphery: 14 themes at https://github.com/MythTV-Themes/
[22:40:10] deevee_: I'll stick with the network engineering :D
[22:40:19] justinh: so just out of curiosity what's so 'ugly' about all the other themes?
[22:40:36] justinh: information overload?
[22:41:09] deevee_: too bulky/big I like simple. It also needs to be girlfriend friendly--the constant nagging otherwise ensues.
[22:42:10] justinh: bulky?
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[22:42:38] sphery: rsiebert: (as long as your nick just came across a leave/join :) btw, did you want me to move blue-abstract-wide-menu to MythTV-Themes, too? I've only been waiting to see if someone had a good idea for how to organize things. We could put it in MythTV-Themes or make a new organization for menu themes. Any preferences?
[22:42:44] justinh: IIRC back in the day Retro was basically just a menu theme. everything else was stock mythtv theme, as lovely as that looked
[22:43:01] deevee_: For instance using the tinted glass theme, when i press info it covers 2/3 of the screen
[22:43:17] justinh: oh the OSD
[22:43:20] deevee_: arclight only displays the current show in the program guide
[22:43:27] deevee_: I like to see 2–3 hours at a time
[22:43:55] deevee_: Of course this could be modified, but after spending 2–3 hours on the theme wiki I gave up :/
[22:44:06] justinh: I miss being able to mix & match OSD & gui themes
[22:44:17] deevee_: yes, that would be nice
[22:44:21] justinh: it'd save me the effort of hacking my own
[22:44:28] sphery: I love having gui and osd themes that match up :)
[22:44:39] sphery: and that can share definitions, etc.
[22:44:42] justinh: I CBA to theme the OSD yet
[22:44:54] sphery: not much to an osd theme, yet
[22:44:57] justinh: I dunno what it's falling back to
[22:45:09] sphery: default's (or default-wide) likely
[22:45:18] justinh: it's a bit... grey
[22:45:39] sphery: pretty sure you could just take osd.xml and copy it then change it how you like
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[22:45:46] justinh: or is that a limitation of the (stupid fricking) Intel video again?
[22:45:46] sphery: don't think there's much more to osd than that
[22:46:08] justinh: yeah? it used to be a bit of a pig to do
[22:46:08] sphery: only XvMC had color issues, and that's gone in 0.25, so...
[22:46:18] justinh: so it's grey then. heh
[22:46:37] sphery: there was one... grayosd or ... that probably became the one for default
[22:46:53] justinh: doubtless :)
[22:47:23] justinh: I was probably one of the people who argued *for* making OSD & GUI themes match
[22:47:24] deevee_: I've been reluctent to upgrade to .25 until a few weeks ago and I've had nothing but problems, segfaults blank themes etc... not to complain but does .25.1 fix a lot of these issues?
[22:48:12] sphery: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 37687#437687 no reference to the one he used as a base for default/-wide
[22:48:26] justinh: I can't remember why I upgraded. not just because it was there, I hope ;-)
[22:48:52] justinh: I still have this vain hope that one day I'll finish my work in progress
[22:49:52] deevee_: And just confirmed my problem appears in all themes.....very strange.
[22:50:14] sphery: 0.25.1 fixes many issues
[22:50:37] sphery: as far as specific fixes for issues you saw, I couldn't say
[22:50:44] justinh: whoah progressbars can be shapes now? COOL!
[22:50:46] sphery: 0.25.1 definitely won't be worse than 0.25
[22:51:07] sphery: justinh: yeah... and note that Steppes is mostly shapes (almost no images)
[22:51:10] justinh: I had segfaults when I updated the other day. Damn old libs lying around
[22:51:19] justinh: sphery: Concept is mostly shapes too
[22:51:29] sphery: which is why John was able to make a 16:9 and 4:3 version relatively easily
[22:51:33] deevee_: dumb question.. Am i at the mercy of my package maintainer, is there anyway I can meld the .25 with the .25.1 :) I already know the answer
[22:51:49] sphery: deevee_: which distro?
[22:51:57] justinh: I easily tire of making stuff, exporting as bitmaps, copying bitmaps..
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[22:52:06] deevee_: debian wheezy for the frontends, squeeze backports for the backend server
[22:52:22] justinh: deevee_: technically you should run the same version across everything
[22:52:24] sphery: no clue how to get newer in Debian
[22:52:26] justinh: *of mythtv
[22:52:28] deevee_: they are
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[22:52:55] justinh: so if your frontend is 25.1, backend should be too
[22:52:59] justinh: and vice-versa
[22:53:44] deevee_: yeah both say: MythTV Version : v0.25pre
[22:53:44] deevee_: MythTV Branch :
[22:53:44] deevee_: Network Protocol : 72
[22:53:44] deevee_: Library API : 0.25.20120408–1
[22:53:51] justinh: pre?
[22:54:00] justinh: so not even 0.25
[22:54:20] deevee_: I did notice that but saw the lib api date
[22:54:25] justinh: I'd be tempted just to build from source if I were you.
[22:54:42] justinh: sometimes easier & less risky than using other repos
[22:55:15] deevee_: Yeah I've tried a few times, always screws up. The repo I use is very well known... Any good guides out there, the wiki seems outdated...
[22:55:29] justinh: sphery: oo I'd not really seen Steppes. Looks nice, but not one my wife could ever use
[22:55:32] sphery: ah, the pre explains why you've had nothing but problems :)
[22:56:29] justinh: gah, but it's got that horizontal buttonlist in the PBB. I lived with that scheme for months before tiring of it
[22:56:38] sphery: deevee_: my best recommendation is to use Ubuntu instead of Debian. Note that by the time you've added all the dependencies/prerequisites required for MythTV usage to Debian, you've completely broken the Debian philosophy and--if you did it right--what you have is more like Ubuntu than Debian, anyway
[22:56:51] sphery: and since *buntu has packages updated with current -fixes version daily...
[22:57:06] sphery: swimming with the current is /much/ easier than against it
[22:57:47] deevee_: I appreciate the recommendation but Ubuntu will never happen the backend has to be stable and I'm at the mercy of backports to release current versions of software
[22:58:03] deevee_: stable as in the branch
[22:58:08] deevee_: of debian that is
[22:58:38] deevee_: and its next to impossible to compile .25 on a stable system.. or at least I have no clue how...
[23:01:50] deevee_: sphery: out of curiosity what distro do you use?
[23:02:48] deevee_: ha just upgraded to .25.1, same issue. fantastic!
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