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| [00:36:15] | frankster: | dekarl: for completion I deleted the source in mythtv-setup, checked in mysql that it had wiped out the entries in dvb_multiplex, then rescanned the channels and this time it created them with the NID. previously when I did a full scan I hadn't deleted the old source. so clearly I had got a kind of crap set of entries in dvb_multiplex somehow that were missing NIDs and these didnt get updated when I did a full scan, |
| [00:38:54] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: i got the url mythvidexport update and its working now. Thanks again |
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| [00:51:06] | MrShakeTouchpad: | good eveniing |
| [00:51:51] | MrShakeTouchpad: | any thoughts why shows that are recording are not showing in the list? |
| [00:52:34] | MrShakeTouchpad: | i see them in previously recorded, but not in watch recordings |
| [00:58:02] | MrShakeTouchpad: | the backend log is showint the start of the recording, but has some expiring messages later for the show |
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| [02:03:33] | sphery: | MrShakeTouchpad: if it's really expiring just-recorded content and leaving old content, you almost definitely need to update to current 0.25-fixes |
| [02:03:42] | sphery: | MrShakeTouchpad: if *buntu, follow instructions at |
| [02:03:50] | sphery: | MrShakeTouchpad: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos |
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| [02:28:46] | Twiggy2cents: | Is it considered a bug or a feature if when you lose your tuners the backend status page on mythweb no longer comes up |
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| [02:35:39] | wagnerrp: | lose your tuners? |
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| [02:41:10] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, if the tuners are no longer accessible for some reason, the status page in mythweb does load as it's waiting on tuner info |
| [02:41:22] | tgm4883: | I had that happen once with the hdpvr |
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| [03:07:41] | tgm4883: | In MythTV 0.25, is this the correct data one would expect to find in the ASX file downloaded from MythWeb? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1024364/ |
| [03:08:02] | tgm4883: | I'm told it doesn't work in Windows Media Player, although I don't have a way to test that. It works fine on my linux boxes |
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| [03:16:52] | wagnerrp: | looks right |
| [03:17:11] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [03:17:17] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if the problem is that hostname |
| [03:17:23] | wagnerrp: | perhaps the user doesnt have DNS configured |
| [03:17:37] | wagnerrp: | nor have they edited their system32/<whatever>/hosts |
| [03:17:45] | tgm4883: | actually, that is mine :) |
| [03:17:53] | tgm4883: | which works, but I cannot test WMP |
| [03:18:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but if it always gives the hostname.... |
| [03:18:10] | tgm4883: | http://10.10.10.12:80//mythweb/pl/stream/3111/1338597000 |
| [03:18:14] | tgm4883: | that is the link from the users |
| [03:18:23] | wagnerrp: | well scratch that then |
| [03:18:53] | tgm4883: | yea, looking though our forum it seems there might be an issue with WMP playing back > 4GB recordings via ASX |
| [03:18:57] | tgm4883: | that seems sketchy though |
| [03:21:07] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, is there anything in the spec about the URL? it just looks odd that it doesn't have a file extension |
| [03:21:23] | tgm4883: | all the examples I see on the internet show a file extension |
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| [03:24:14] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
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| [03:59:43] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: after i mounted my recordings, and got the necessary perl reqs, it works fine here |
| [04:00:14] | wagnerrp: | 0.25 (technically master), and win7 with WMP |
| [04:01:21] | wagnerrp: | these are mpeg2 recordings off an HDHR by the way |
| [04:03:35] | wagnerrp: | in all those examples, he chose a different recording |
| [04:03:51] | wagnerrp: | perhaps those other recordings are orphaned and dont actually exist? |
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| [05:01:27] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, mounted your recordings? |
| [05:02:24] | tgm4883: | and you're talking about the guy from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1996749&page=2 ? |
| [05:05:23] | wagnerrp: | my backend and web server are not on the same host |
| [05:07:41] | tgm4883: | ah |
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| [05:34:17] | map7: | what's the best way to install mythbuntu onto a software RAID1? |
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| [05:54:35] | dekarl1: | frankster, if the issue was on DVB-T in the UK, can you post that it worked when removing the video source and rescanning with the version string of your mythtv (e.g. from mythbackend --version) on http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10217 |
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| [06:34:49] | phillipcc: | hi everyone have just changed motherboards to a newer one and have done an upgrade but when i run mythfilldatabase it does not insert data at all i am running shepherd so i looked at the mythweb and got the following message any ideas what might be wrong at all message is User Notice at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/classes/MythBackend.php, line 101: |
| [06:34:50] | phillipcc: | !!NoTrans: Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=63, backend=72)!] |
| [06:36:15] | dekarl: | phillipcc: the message from mythweb is unrelated to the mythfilldatabase issue. Did you just upgrade from mythtv 0.24 to 0.25, too? |
| [06:36:39] | phillipcc: | yes i did |
| [06:37:23] | dekarl: | seems you did not upgrade mythweb then (Incompatible protocol version) |
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| [06:37:45] | phillipcc: | hmm ok any idea how to upgrade this at all |
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| [06:38:03] | dekarl: | And you likely are running MFDB "the old 0.24" way, there have been some changes to shepherd to make it compatible with "the new 0.25" way |
| [06:38:19] | dekarl: | actually "the new way" was the proper way all the time, but thats another topic :D |
| [06:38:54] | phillipcc: | that would be something my tech person who made the box would know and he is away |
| [06:40:20] | phillipcc: | i know a few things about mythtv and ubuntu but not to much |
| [06:40:38] | dekarl: | ok, then hinting him/her to upgrade mythweb and redo the shepherd installation should lead him/her on the right track |
| [06:41:09] | phillipcc: | so remove shepherd completely and start again |
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| [06:42:40] | dekarl: | likely, I'mjust reading their installation instructions and they are back to their "we know better then mythtv folks" solution... |
| [06:43:15] | dekarl: | "... but you can also (re-)do it with: ~/.shepherd/shepherd --configure-mythtv" |
| [06:43:28] | dekarl: | whatever that means |
| [06:43:41] | phillipcc: | ok |
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| [06:45:38] | phillipcc: | done that several times does not help |
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| [06:47:00] | dekarl: | hm, can you pastebin the logs of MFDB and post the link here? |
| [06:47:27] | phillipcc: | mfdb ? |
| [06:49:34] | dekarl: | MythFillDataBase :) |
| [06:49:44] | phillipcc: | ahh ok |
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| [06:54:46] | phillipcc: | i have just donesomething else ok that i think might be th problem |
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| [06:57:08] | phillipcc: | i ran this and this is the output i got ok ~/.shepherd/shepherd -- |
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| [07:03:25] | phillipcc: | DIE: line 79 in file /usr/share/perl/5.14/Carp.pm |
| [07:03:26] | phillipcc: | DIE: line 79 in file /usr/share/perl/5.14/Carp.pm |
| [07:03:26] | phillipcc: | shepherd v1.7.1 (linux) |
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| [07:09:32] | dekarl: | ^- that doesn't ring a bell with me |
| [07:10:54] | phillipcc: | ok |
| [07:11:16] | dekarl: | google hints that it might be related to some Carp.pm not finding a database where it was expected (likely the shepherd dataabse) |
| [07:11:28] | phillipcc: | i have the output of the mythfilldatabase but it is quite big and do not want to get kicked frim here |
| [07:11:30] | dekarl: | might be related to http://svn.whuffy.com/wiki/Installation#Theoldmethod |
| [07:11:49] | dekarl: | try http://pastebin.com/ and post the link |
| [07:12:09] | dekarl: | or if you have pastebinit installed you can upload it from the command line |
| [07:12:27] | phillipcc: | i am doing this from the windows box sorry |
| [07:12:50] | ** dekarl got to leave for work, will be back later, maybe someone else can see something in the logs in the meantime ** | |
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| [08:13:04] | frankster: | dekarl1: done |
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| [11:40:50] | trumee: | dvd playback from VIDEO_TS files seems to be broken in 0.25 |
| [11:41:12] | trumee: | All dvds with menu's fail for me in 0.25, which used to work fine in 0.24 |
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| [11:44:22] | trumee: | the log is here http://www.pastie.org/4031142 |
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| [11:50:55] | frankster: | do you mean playing from a rip rather than from the dvd drive? |
| [11:51:06] | frankster: | cos i've played a dvd from the drive in 0.25 |
| [11:51:25] | partoj: | trumee: encrypted? |
| [11:55:57] | justinh: | huh? configure in mythplugins is saying I need the python bindings for mythnetvision, but I'm pretty sure I've got those installed. How can I check? |
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| [12:00:18] | justinh: | damn. I need version 1.2.3 of python-mysqldb |
| [12:02:56] | trumee: | frankster: yes from a rip |
| [12:03:06] | trumee: | partoj: dont think it is encrypted |
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| [12:12:16] | justinh: | meh. it's not like I can even use mythnetvision anyway |
| [12:13:20] | ** justinh curses the stupid intel video hardware & adobe flash ** | |
| [12:14:33] | justinh: | I refuse to update nigh as damnit the whole distro just for one piddly feature |
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| [12:22:47] | justinh: | what:?! a frickin db upgrade?!?!?!??!?!?!?! |
| [12:23:18] | justinh: | oops |
| [12:23:22] | ** justinh blushes ** | |
| [12:23:30] | justinh: | wrong source dir |
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| [12:43:13] | SteveGoodey: | justinh: You're not having a good day. :-) |
| [12:48:44] | justinh: | meh, I've had worse |
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| [12:50:23] | justinh: | like when I acted upon the advice of the developer who writes the web app I support at work – rather than making a rescue .sql file using grep, sed & awk I imported data from backups after dropping some tables & recreating them – but doing a create table foo select * from olddata.foo doesn't create keys etc. Lots of pain |
| [12:54:21] | ThisNewGuy1: | hey all – has anyone else had trouble transcoding to MPEG with the latest from git? I get no picture and sped up audio. |
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| [12:56:43] | ThisNewGuy1: | Or can anyone confirm that it's working for them? |
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| [12:57:57] | SteveGoodey: | justinh: Afraid that went totally over my head. You did some themes if I remember correct, given up on that? |
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| [13:32:49] | stuartm: | justinh: yeah, you should restore the data from the backup but not the schema |
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| [13:35:06] | justinh: | stuartm: yeah but mr dev forgot that dropping the tables would be a bad idea. last time I take his advice without thinking too much ;-0 |
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| [13:36:55] | justinh: | well that's mythtv upgrade. mythnetvision didn't want to compile but I ain't missing owt there |
| [13:36:59] | justinh: | *upgraded |
| [13:37:25] | justinh: | still not had any backend deadlocks since stopping the upstart script respawning either |
| [13:39:08] | stuartm: | aye, hearing that the ubuntu script is managing to spawn two instances of the backend at once which leads to very strange and very broken behaviour |
| [13:39:56] | stuartm: | hence I shall be committing something to stop two instances of the backend from running (on the same config/database) at the same time |
| [13:40:18] | stuartm: | although it would be good for ubuntu to figure out why their script is doing this to begin with |
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| [14:58:07] | wagnerrp: | apparently the New Yorkers rammed Enterprise into a dock and clipped off its wingtip |
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| [15:13:29] | justinh: | stuartm: oo, so it's not just me then. Good to know :-) |
| [15:18:19] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: wild guess, this is the space shuttle? |
| [15:20:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [15:22:14] | wagnerrp: | enterprise was actually just an aerodynamic testbed |
| [15:22:36] | wagnerrp: | used for initial equipment fitting and glide testing |
| [15:22:43] | wagnerrp: | never actually went into orbit |
| [15:22:54] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: hmm, that explains why in the photos it looks like it's made of foam and plywood |
| [15:23:07] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: the barge must have been driven by a local cabbie. |
| [15:23:20] | ** devinheitmueller hates driving in the city. ** | |
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| [16:57:48] | earthw0rm: | Ay up, I keep adding bookmarks to mythweb, or newsfeeds rss and nothing happens |
| [16:58:26] | wagnerrp: | adding bookmarks to mythweb? |
| [16:59:45] | earthw0rm: | Oops, Information Centre |
| [16:59:56] | earthw0rm: | You know, the web and news feeds bits in there |
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| [17:00:50] | sphery: | mythbrowser? |
| [17:01:03] | sphery: | or mythnews? |
| [17:02:31] | wagnerrp: | mythbrowser just lets you add bookmarks to open |
| [17:02:37] | wagnerrp: | mythnews is the rss reader |
| [17:02:51] | wagnerrp: | and optionally opens items through mythbrowser |
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| [17:03:50] | earthw0rm: | Neither seems to let me add anything |
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| [18:49:45] | odror: | Was anyone successful in playing mythtv h.264 files on android tablet. I have a tegra 3 tablet. The cpu does not seem to be powerful enough. Is there an app that support hardware accel. |
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| [19:11:51] | wagnerrp: | you might want to try to get the HLS stuff running |
| [19:18:20] | odror: | Can you refer me to a web with more information. Thanks |
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| [19:26:36] | wagnerrp: | this is 0.25? |
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| [19:39:55] | RagingMind: | so lately I've become increasingly aware of the tenuous relationship between Marillat and the debian devs. Is there any other package repo out there that I could get mythtv from? (without having to build it) |
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| [19:42:46] | sphery: | mythbuntu repos? (as once you install all the breaks-the-Debian-philosophy packages required to run MythTV, you're not running Debian, anyway :) |
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| [19:50:30] | tgm4883: | RagingMind, Our packaging should work in both Debian and Ubuntu, although I'm not 100% our packages built for Ubuntu would work on Debian, I believe they should |
| [19:51:08] | sphery: | though switching to ubuntu would definitely work :) |
| [19:51:41] | tgm4883: | odror, there is work being done on a andoid app that will playback content from mythtv |
| [19:51:49] | tgm4883: | you need a pretty powerful backend though |
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| [20:15:47] | lapion: | sphery, remember the preempting of live streams by recordings on the analog cards while watching live tv ?> |
| [20:16:09] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:16:26] | ** justinh goes to google HLS ** | |
| [20:16:28] | lapion: | getting the same behaviour of my dvb-t |
| [20:16:48] | justinh: | ah. http live streaming |
| [20:17:42] | lapion: | nope dvb |
| [20:17:49] | sphery: | lapion: yes, mythtv always uses the best tuner for recordings (=things you said you /want/ to watch) and live tv (=watching whatever garbage you happened to land on while surfing) must move |
| [20:18:16] | sphery: | the only time this changes is if you set the setting that says to allow live tv to move recordings |
| [20:18:22] | lapion: | sphery, there is one dvb tuner that with 4 channels of which 3 can be watched at the same time |
| [20:18:30] | sphery: | in which case, you lose a lot of the benefit of having a scheduler |
| [20:19:15] | lapion: | better said one frequency with 4 streams of which 3 can be recorded at the same time.. |
| [20:20:47] | sphery: | I have no idea what you're saying is the problem |
| [20:21:06] | sphery: | I will say that MythTV does the right thing |
| [20:21:15] | lapion: | hmm.. |
| [20:22:40] | sphery: | if you're using a tuner for live tv and mythtv needs to start a recording, it will bump you off that tuner |
| [20:22:54] | lapion: | it's a dvb tuner |
| [20:23:25] | sphery: | if you're saying that you're watching Live TV on the same mux as the recording is starting on, and it's still bumping you off the tuner, that's because multirec was implemented wrong |
| [20:23:30] | lapion: | the program watched and the one that has to be recorded are on the same channel |
| [20:23:34] | sphery: | meaning unless you redo it right, that won't change |
| [20:23:59] | lapion: | it used to work good. |
| [20:24:09] | sphery: | it hasn't changed |
| [20:24:20] | lapion: | after recent updates this started to happen |
| [20:24:45] | lapion: | same with the analog cards |
| [20:24:58] | justinh: | just goes to show... where upgrading gets people |
| [20:25:02] | justinh: | and using livetv :-) |
| [20:25:05] | sphery: | the only thing that's changed in recent mythtv related to tuners and live tv is a) the ability to specify an order to use tuners for live tv and recordings without having to use a bad hack and b) the ability for live tv to move to a different tuner when you want something on an "unavailable to this tuner" mux |
| [20:25:34] | justinh: | I'm amazed anyone can stand to use livetv on *buntu, with my experience of the default mysql setup on *buntu sucking so much |
| [20:25:48] | lapion: | I have one digital tuner with 3 muxes on the same freq |
| [20:26:03] | justinh: | 3 muxes on the same frequency? |
| [20:26:05] | sphery: | lapion: the difference is that you likely need to specify the live tv order to be different from your schedule order so that the chances of using the same tuner for live tv and recordings is reduced |
| [20:26:15] | justinh: | one mux PER frequency |
| [20:26:26] | justinh: | you mean 3 channels per mux, surely |
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| [20:26:41] | sphery: | and/or the fact that watching live tv may change tuners, now, means you're more likely to hit the "always been there" case of a recording wanting to use the same tuner you're using for live tv |
| [20:26:49] | lapion: | yeah there is on freq and mux on the digital with 4 channels |
| [20:27:01] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:27:21] | lapion: | on=one |
| [20:27:21] | justinh: | there are up to 8 channels on one of our muxes here |
| [20:27:25] | justinh: | PQ is crap though |
| [20:28:03] | sphery: | so, basically, set your live tv and schedule order in mythtv-setup's input connections and it will be the best it can be |
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| [20:28:35] | justinh: | wonder what bright ideas (cough) are going to have to rejig livetv |
| [20:28:45] | sphery: | (or just record everything you might possibly ever want to watch and never use waste-your-Life-TV) |
| [20:28:53] | lapion: | sphery, I have 3 channels on the same frequency which are the only ones being watched or ever recorded |
| [20:29:02] | justinh: | because many a bright mind has applied their brain to the problem & so far nobody has ever come up with anything better |
| [20:30:17] | sphery: | lapion: if you're getting too many conflicts (meaning kicked out of live tv so recordings can use that tuner), the problem is you don't have enough (physical) tuners |
| [20:30:46] | sphery: | i.e. multirec is a bad software hack for pretending that one physical tuner is more than one |
| [20:31:03] | sphery: | just like HyperThreading is a bad hack for pretending that one core is 2 :) |
| [20:31:28] | stuartm: | for what those people want from MythTV, they don't actually want MythTV, they don't even need a computer, they just need to use the TV ... they want to over-engineer for a very simple use-case |
| [20:31:51] | stuartm: | you don't use a PVR to watch live tv, a PVR records things, the clue is in the name |
| [20:31:56] | sphery: | yes, the recording should be (and is) the center of focus on MythTV and its scheduler |
| [20:31:59] | justinh: | for livetv in our house, we have the cable box |
| [20:32:13] | justinh: | for everything else, we use mythtv |
| [20:32:27] | sphery: | but you can do Live TV--but ideally, you'd do it with a tuner that won't be used for recordings (meaning you need more physical tuners0 |
| [20:32:34] | stuartm: | justinh: ditto, not that I watch livetv more than a handful of times in a year |
| [20:32:46] | sphery: | and then there's that... just do Live TV without MythTV |
| [20:32:57] | sphery: | (i.e. use the tuner in the TV or whatever) |
| [20:33:48] | justinh: | besides, if you were to make mythtv better for livetv you'd invariably have to affect the way other people use mythtv |
| [20:34:44] | lapion: | I have a computer with 3 tuners ( 1 digital with only one mux ever used) and 2 analogue tuners I have not tv.. only a big 22" widescreen monitor |
| [20:35:20] | justinh: | so buy a TV, tight-ass ;-) |
| [20:35:29] | justinh: | FYI, 22" is not big :P |
| [20:35:34] | stuartm: | justinh: fwiw there have been several improvements to livetv for 0.25, mostly improving stability and reliability |
| [20:35:37] | sphery: | or another tuner for the computer |
| [20:35:44] | lapion: | or was it 24 I do not know.. |
| [20:35:55] | justinh: | stuartm: doesn't matter on my install. the scheduler takes 6+ seconds still |
| [20:35:56] | lapion: | but it's CRT so it's big-ass |
| [20:35:58] | lapion: | ;-P |
| [20:36:07] | justinh: | stupid bloody mysql on *buntu for some reason or other |
| [20:36:17] | sphery: | 6s isn't bad |
| [20:36:30] | justinh: | channel change times are *stupidly* long |
| [20:36:37] | stuartm: | justinh: 6s is pretty good, averages around that here too |
| [20:36:45] | justinh: | really?! |
| [20:36:51] | stuartm: | scheduling speed has nothing to do with channel change times |
| [20:36:53] | sphery: | scheduler times shouldn't affect live tv tuning, though |
| [20:37:04] | justinh: | mysql in general is slow on this system anyway |
| [20:37:12] | stuartm: | we don't reschedule every time you change a channel, it doesn't even factor into the decision |
| [20:37:12] | justinh: | god only knows why |
| [20:37:15] | sphery: | unless a scheduler run is occurring and has some mysql tables locked when live tv tries to use them or whatever |
| [20:37:40] | justinh: | hmmm |
| [20:37:48] | sphery: | but likely that wouldn't occur more than very occasionally |
| [20:37:56] | stuartm: | hmm, scheduler should only use a read lock, which wouldn't block other reads |
| [20:37:59] | justinh: | maybe it's my tuners too |
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| [20:38:15] | stuartm: | only writes which would only occur for EIT/mfdb |
| [20:38:20] | justinh: | they get a lock in < 1 sec though. not that I really care about livetv |
| [20:38:29] | justinh: | but even for testing, wow it tests my patience |
| [20:39:02] | sphery: | likely the 6s for channel change is due more to the capture card, buffers, file system writes, ... |
| [20:39:03] | justinh: | stuartm: I remember those demo systems I've put together for linux expos whizzing by comparison to today's installs |
| [20:39:46] | justinh: | I whacked my max recordings down from 5 per card to 3 & that sped up the scheduler no end |
| [20:39:52] | stuartm: | justinh: well in that case I can't rule out an issue with your specific setup |
| [20:40:19] | sphery: | justinh: but there's no good reason to make 5 the max number of virtual tuners in the mythtv-setup UI... it /must/ be increased to 12! |
| [20:40:24] | justinh: | default mysql, database is pretty much from when I first installed mythtv |
| [20:40:25] | stuartm: | but those demo systems were before multi-rec, with fewer channels and no doubt many fewer recording schedules/old recording history etc |
| [20:40:34] | justinh: | ah yeah |
| [20:40:38] | justinh: | oh no |
| [20:40:44] | tgm4883: | sphery, not to hijack, but whats the point of being able to disable a recording schedule? It seems the scheduler still looks for those shows |
| [20:41:01] | justinh: | stuartm: nah, the last one for LRL was running trunk & multirec was around by then IIRC |
| [20:41:21] | justinh: | I remember hacking the code on that box to run 10 recordings on its tuner |
| [20:41:43] | stuartm: | tgm4883: it looks for them and lists them in 'Upcoming' but won't record them, it's not for schedules you no longer require, just those you want to temporarily disable maybe because you're going on holiday |
| [20:41:50] | sphery: | justinh: that being a reference to http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10774 , where the ticket was filed after many of us said, "the amount of time required for scheduling increases significantly as you raise the number of virtual tuners, and beyond 5 is past the point of diminishing returns" |
| [20:42:02] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:42:06] | stuartm: | justinh: hmm, I thought multirec came after then |
| [20:42:08] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [20:42:20] | tgm4883: | sphery, so I should go ahead and delete my house schedule |
| [20:42:26] | justinh: | have to say, 10 per card really taxed the athlon 800 CPU when it came to scheduling |
| [20:42:28] | sphery: | and, yeah, stuartm beat me to it (and with a better description than I would have given :) |
| [20:42:56] | sphery: | tgm4883: once I've recorded all episodes of a show that's ended, I delete the old recording rules |
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| [20:43:22] | tgm4883: | makes senses |
| [20:43:35] | justinh: | I say 'really taxed'.. with EIT enabled CPU usage averaged 50% over a 10 minute period |
| [20:43:53] | justinh: | which is significantly more than with only 2 recs per card |
| [20:43:55] | tgm4883: | differnet topic, has anyone reported issues with autoexpire expiring things it shouldn't and 0.25? |
| [20:43:58] | sphery: | tgm4883: I go into mythfrontend's or MythWeb's Recording Rules and order by last recorded (least-recent first) and check to see which ones I'm done with... |
| [20:44:04] | sphery: | definitely speeds up scheduling significantly |
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| [20:44:19] | sphery: | tgm4883: "it shouldn't" meaning wrong order |
| [20:44:27] | tgm4883: | yea |
| [20:44:33] | sphery: | or meaning "things not marked to allow expiration" |
| [20:44:41] | tgm4883: | wrong order |
| [20:44:46] | sphery: | wrong order was reported and fixed in both master and -fixes |
| [20:44:53] | justinh: | maybe we could have a 'forget schedules older than X days' setting :D |
| [20:45:00] | tgm4883: | ah ok |
| [20:45:16] | tgm4883: | I probably didn't have the update for that then |
| [20:45:28] | sphery: | (and 0.24-fixes, too :) |
| [20:45:50] | stuartm: | should note that the wrong order thing was apparently a very old bug that only became apparent to a wider audience with 0.25 |
| [20:45:56] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 18061#518061 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 18062#518062 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 18064#518064 |
| [20:46:11] | sphery: | tgm4883: note, also, that there's a ticket claiming that things aren't being handled properly on remote backends |
| [20:46:13] | stuartm: | and wasn't my fault, so so I'm told ... |
| [20:46:29] | sphery: | yes, the wrong order thing existed as long as auto-expire existed |
| [20:46:38] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [20:46:46] | tgm4883: | that isn't what I saw |
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| [20:47:26] | tgm4883: | I didn't do a ton of testing, as after I saw what it did I manually deleted a bunch of stuff. But what I believe it was doing is not honoring the "watched before unwatched" flag |
| [20:48:25] | justinh: | crap. in my recording rules there are multiple entries for the same shows |
| [20:48:35] | justinh: | bet that was clogging the scheduler too |
| [20:48:42] | sphery: | tgm4883: that's probably because you upgraded before http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 17432#517432 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 17434#517434 |
| [20:50:41] | justinh: | wonder how much speed I'd get by deleting the database & starting anew |
| [20:50:53] | justinh: | as if that's gonna happen though |
| [20:51:01] | sphery: | tgm4883: actually, that wouldn't explain it... nvm |
| [20:51:23] | tgm4883: | sphery, yea I don't think that relates |
| [20:51:38] | stuartm: | you'd lose your recording history, which means every repeat that you've already seen would be recorded |
| [20:51:50] | sphery: | tgm4883: so, you're saying you had multiple deleted shows, in the deleted recording group, and it expired (removed from disk) a show that was not marked as watched when another show that was marked as watched and was deleted existed on the same file system? |
| [20:51:51] | tgm4883: | My usage is always, mark it as watched, let the backend figure it out |
| [20:52:02] | tgm4883: | sphery, no, i don't delete shows |
| [20:52:11] | tgm4883: | I let the backend do that, I just mark them as watched |
| [20:52:41] | tgm4883: | I'm saying it deleted shows marked as unwatched before it deleted shows marked as watched |
| [20:52:55] | tgm4883: | and yes, same file system |
| [20:53:05] | tgm4883: | I only have a single 2TB disk for recordings |
| [20:53:11] | lapion: | the problem is not with the recordings but whenever the up or down arrow key is pressed the system goes to a single channel and can only be changed by typing the channel number |
| [20:53:30] | justinh: | 7416 rows in oldrecorded |
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| [20:57:17] | sphery: | justinh: you can clean out recording history (i.e. using mythfrontend's Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded screen) or clean out old recording rules (Manage Recordings|Recording Rules) to get the same benefit to scheduler performance |
| [20:57:25] | justinh: | maybe having a special category of shows would speed things up – not having to look for duplicate showings in regular shows like news or other stuff |
| [20:57:39] | sphery: | I, personally, never clean out recording history--because I like to have a system remember what I have and what I haven't seen |
| [20:57:58] | lapion: | sphery, it's was a db inconsistancy.. |
| [20:58:04] | justinh: | sphery: we can't really rely on it here anyway, since descriptions seem to change with the wind |
| [20:58:12] | sphery: | justinh: not having to look for duplicate = disable duplicate matching on the rule |
| [20:58:13] | justinh: | and subtitle spellings |
| [20:58:30] | justinh: | sphery: yeah I bet that'll improve the time too |
| [20:58:52] | justinh: | in all cases I'd much rather record too much than too little |
| [20:58:52] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, but once the rule is deleted, then it's just for your own benefit... i.e. "Oh, yeah, I did see the Friends episode where..." |
| [20:59:09] | justinh: | sphery: Ross whines annoyingly? |
| [20:59:23] | sphery: | hmmm, seems that matches all the episodes :) |
| [20:59:51] | sphery: | lapion: what was the problem? |
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| [20:59:59] | justinh: | btw if you haven't watched 'Episodes' yet.. I can recommend it |
| [21:00:01] | sphery: | bad channel defined in your system or soemthing? |
| [21:00:21] | sphery: | justinh: that I haven't heard of... I'll have to look it up |
| [21:00:29] | justinh: | Matt LeBlanc playing himself.. kind of. It's laugh out loudish |
| [21:00:48] | justinh: | sphery: it's about a pair of British sitcom writers who have to port their show to the US |
| [21:00:54] | tgm4883: | How long is it taking the scheduler to run? |
| [21:00:55] | sphery: | hehe |
| [21:00:58] | justinh: | probably HBO, thinking about it |
| [21:01:12] | justinh: | loads of sex & bad language |
| [21:01:16] | sphery: | wikipedia says Showtime in the US |
| [21:01:27] | justinh: | well not loads, but... |
| [21:01:29] | sphery: | meaning I'll have to watch it on dvd or something |
| [21:01:35] | justinh: | it's a proper adult comedy |
| [21:02:46] | tgm4883: | justinh, how long is it taking your scheduler to run? |
| [21:03:00] | sphery: | tgm4883: not seeing any way it could possibly ignore "Watched before unwatched" setting for a "make space, when nothing is in Deleted recording group" run of the expirer |
| [21:03:01] | justinh: | plus it's got Tamsin Greig in it <3 (dunno why, it's a mystery to me why) |
| [21:03:08] | tgm4883: | I didn't see it in the backlog |
| [21:03:17] | justinh: | tgm4883: used to take 10+ secs. now it's about 6 |
| [21:03:22] | lapion: | sphery, I had 3 (virtual) inputs in the status configured, the status screegn showed the same however I could not switch to the other 2 if on one of them.. I just set the tuner to 1 again and then to 3 again |
| [21:03:30] | tgm4883: | justinh, and that is too long? |
| [21:03:46] | tgm4883: | How often does the scheduler run? |
| [21:03:59] | justinh: | tgm4883: I don't know what this is, I just have memories of it taking way less time on very similar setups – similar in all respects except one.. the number of previous recordings |
| [21:04:13] | justinh: | it runs every time you tell mythtv you want to record something :-) |
| [21:04:33] | tgm4883: | right, and that what, freezes the UI for that time? |
| [21:04:55] | tgm4883: | I guess I just don't understand why that is an issue (something that should be a background task) |
| [21:04:56] | justinh: | no, just means you've got to sit around & wait for the UI to update to reflect the new status |
| [21:05:18] | justinh: | you pressed RECORD on a guidegrid entry & you need to see it confirmed before you move along |
| [21:05:26] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [21:05:43] | tgm4883: | I can't SSH to my box right now, otherwise I'd test how long it takes for my scheduler to run |
| [21:05:57] | justinh: | already discussed at great length & sphery kinda agreed that it could maybe use a confirmation the request had been processed |
| [21:06:05] | sphery: | tgm4883: select * from settings where value = 'AutoExpireWatchedPriority'; select autoexpire, count(*) as total from recorded group by autoexpire; |
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| [21:06:26] | tgm4883: | sphery, you want me to run that? |
| [21:06:32] | justinh: | but, I have a recollection of it taking much less time way in the past on different *buntu installs |
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| [21:06:44] | sphery: | tgm4883: please |
| [21:06:45] | tgm4883: | justinh, you are on 12.04 now? |
| [21:07:12] | tgm4883: | sphery, ok, I'll have to wait until I get home though. I forgot to resetup my ssh access after messing with my router this weekend |
| [21:07:12] | justinh: | then finding some forum posts saying mysql on some ubuntu systems is slower than it could be, people trying to tweak it & getting nowhere... |
| [21:07:23] | justinh: | tgm4883: my base OS is so old now I forget |
| [21:07:27] | justinh: | think it's lucid |
| [21:07:37] | sphery: | tgm4883: oops, forgot the important part--watched... select * from settings where value = 'AutoExpireWatchedPriority'; select autoexpire, watched, count(*) as total from recorded group by autoexpire, watched; |
| [21:07:43] | justinh: | I'm loathe to update a whole OS just for a newer mythtv |
| [21:07:55] | tgm4883: | justdave, the only slowness I've heard of that causes problems is in 12.04, if you haven't updated 0.25 to the latest release |
| [21:07:55] | sphery: | (unlike the autoexpirer, it seems /I/ can forget about watched versus unwatched :) |
| [21:08:18] | justinh: | I had a battle on today trying to update to the latest -fixes with my son in the room |
| [21:08:34] | tgm4883: | more specifically, if you aren't on the latest version of 0.25 and have mysql 5.5 |
| [21:09:03] | justinh: | heh. 5.1 here |
| [21:10:32] | justinh: | I had problems running mythbuntu packages.. slightly crashy backend.. in trying to debug the issue, built from source & the problems went away – so I've stayed on my own build |
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| [21:11:56] | justinh: | maybe if I just shoved a boatload more ram in the backend & put the OS & DB on SSD... |
| [21:12:08] | justinh: | but then that's a bit of overkill for 'just a DVR' |
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| [21:13:09] | tgm4883: | justinh, then I haven't heard of any major issues with mysql settings. Granted they could be better but nothing that was a problem |
| [21:13:46] | tgm4883: | justinh, is your DB and recordings on separate spindles? |
| [21:14:17] | justinh: | tgm4883: yup. pretty much always have been from the start |
| [21:15:01] | justinh: | tempting to dump oldrecorded into a temp table – see if it speeds things up any |
| [21:15:51] | tgm4883: | justinh, what backend specs do you have? |
| [21:17:19] | justinh: | hmm.. 2.2Ghz celeron E1500 or so |
| [21:18:17] | justinh: | holy cow. oldrecorded has entries going back to 2006 |
| [21:19:03] | tgm4883: | oldrecorded should have entries going back to when you started using mythtv on that database right? |
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| [21:19:38] | justinh: | tgm4883: if you care about not recording something you recorded back then, yeah |
| [21:19:53] | tgm4883: | I think most people would |
| [21:20:05] | tgm4883: | or rather |
| [21:20:31] | tgm4883: | I think by looking at the name of the table it should contain everything you've ever recorded |
| [21:23:18] | justinh: | it's not helped here by the description field being anything up to 4 pages long (tv_grab_uk_rt) ;- |
| [21:23:23] | justinh: | ;-) |
| [21:23:55] | justinh: | I don't really care much if I don't have a record of something I recorded & deleted in 2006 |
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| [21:24:58] | tgm4883: | justinh, I can see how it would help with conflict resolution |
| [21:26:05] | justinh: | I can't |
| [21:26:14] | justinh: | I don't care what I recorded back in 2006 :-) |
| [21:26:30] | justinh: | and I'd always rather record too much than not enough showings |
| [21:26:43] | tgm4883: | If you have 1 tuner and showX(Priority1) and showY(Priority2) both record at the same time, but showX is a repeat of something you watched in 2007 |
| [21:26:50] | justinh: | I'm not getting into an argument here. I don't care, so I'm getting rid of those entries |
| [21:27:08] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Do you have a lot of long-running queries on the mysql stats? |
| [21:27:12] | tgm4883: | justinh, I didn't realize we were arguing. If we were, it seems you are a little touchy |
| [21:27:20] | justinh: | s/getting rid/have got rid of/ |
| [21:27:51] | justinh: | EvilGuru: it won't log those queries because they're not using indexes or something |
| [21:28:14] | tgm4883: | it's your database, I'm not going to tell you how to manage it. I'm simpling adding why old recordings are useful |
| [21:28:23] | justinh: | it's not *slow* queries per se.. it's the sheer number of em |
| [21:28:27] | tgm4883: | err, old recordings data in the DB |
| [21:29:18] | justinh: | tgm4883: I can see how they're useful, sure – and they are – to me – just not that far back :-) |
| [21:29:41] | justinh: | UK TV maybe isn't as bad for repeats as elsewhere |
| [21:29:43] | EvilGuru: | justinh: 10s is a /very/ long time |
| [21:29:57] | tgm4883: | justinh, that is possibly the case |
| [21:29:58] | justinh: | EvilGuru: that was with max recordings per card =5 |
| [21:30:00] | EvilGuru: | Even when I had my DB on a 733Mhz PIII it never took more than one |
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| [21:30:16] | EvilGuru: | And I had/have four real tuners and 10 virtual ones |
| [21:30:18] | tgm4883: | justinh, do they not run marathons of entire old seasons? |
| [21:30:29] | justinh: | EvilGuru: I cut it down to 3, now the scheduler runs in a shade under 6 s |
| [21:30:44] | justinh: | tgm4883: not of stuff I want to record, no |
| [21:30:46] | EvilGuru: | Do you have a lot of channels? |
| [21:30:50] | justinh: | no |
| [21:30:57] | tgm4883: | justinh, I'm assuming you went though and tweaked the mysql settings? |
| [21:31:08] | justinh: | TBH, I have no idea what to do |
| [21:31:15] | EvilGuru: | The default mysql settings are an abject disaster |
| [21:31:20] | justinh: | I tried the idiot's guide to mysql tuning on the wiki & that did nothing |
| [21:31:38] | EvilGuru: | Will only get worse if myth moves to innodb by default |
| [21:31:51] | justinh: | EvilGuru: previous installs have only ever used default mysql settings |
| [21:32:14] | tgm4883: | EvilGuru, I thought innodb was supposedly faster? |
| [21:32:32] | EvilGuru: | tgm4883: It can be for some workloads, but it really needs tweaking |
| [21:32:42] | stuartm: | EvilGuru: well we'll also be moving to embedded db eventually so we'll control the settings and obviously tweak them for MythTV so that everyone gets a decent performance |
| [21:33:20] | EvilGuru: | stuartm: So long as I can still get SQL access that is probably a good thing |
| [21:33:49] | sphery: | you'll get data access :) |
| [21:34:36] | stuartm: | EvilGuru: we won't be guaranteeing that, one of the benefits is stopping people screwing with their databases, you'll have access to the raw data but maybe not SQL – almost certainly not a write capability |
| [21:35:24] | stuartm: | and don't blame us, blame those idiots that spoil it for everyone else by messing with things they don't understand then blaming MythTV for their problems |
| [21:35:46] | EvilGuru: | Raw access is nice, best way to add channels/fix up inputs etc |
| [21:36:23] | sphery: | yes, but if we take away that raw access, the people who feel it's the best way to add channels/fix up inputs etc will actually help to make the supported approach better |
| [21:36:30] | stuartm: | there's a ringing endorsement of the configuration UI |
| [21:36:36] | tgm4883: | As long as you can still fix the channel info in mythweb, I'll be happy |
| [21:36:37] | EvilGuru: | Last week I was forced to reboot and all of the DVB adapters got new devices in /dev, turns out mythtv setup is a nightmare for that |
| [21:37:04] | tgm4883: | EvilGuru, that sounds like a job for udev |
| [21:37:05] | sphery: | ideally mythweb will disappear |
| [21:37:05] | EvilGuru: | Messed up my input groups, tried to add DISEQ data for a DVB-T device and lots of other nasty stuff |
| [21:37:17] | tgm4883: | sphery, nooooooooooo |
| [21:37:21] | stuartm: | tgm4883: heh, most people can't with the default php config, it's one giant form which exceeds the php post limit |
| [21:37:33] | stuartm: | it's actually a really bad design |
| [21:37:37] | EvilGuru: | tgm4883: It is, I have a manual rules file somewhere just have not copied it over yet |
| [21:37:40] | sphery: | then all configuration will be done through mythbackend's HTTP api |
| [21:37:47] | dekarl: | with all the talk about database performance, would that be a good time to hint at #10023? ^^ |
| [21:37:52] | EvilGuru: | sphery: That would be nice |
| [21:37:58] | sphery: | and all of mythweb functionality will also be done through there |
| [21:38:12] | sphery: | then mythweb becomes nothing more than a glorified proxy to the backend web server |
| [21:38:15] | tgm4883: | sphery, if you make me do custom recording rules with my remote control, I might have to hunt someone down |
| [21:38:20] | sphery: | possibly with skins/themes/styles |
| [21:38:29] | stuartm: | tgm4883: mythweb in it's current form will disappear, that's not to say there won't be a web interface, it will be served direct from the backend with no need for mysql/php |
| [21:38:46] | EvilGuru: | I would be good if you could configure the backend over HTTP |
| [21:38:55] | EvilGuru: | Channel scanning at the moment is extremely painful |
| [21:39:09] | EvilGuru: | I usually just google for the service ids and add the channels manually |
| [21:39:14] | tgm4883: | stuartm, sphery would that include removing the requirement on apache as well? |
| [21:39:16] | sphery: | tgm4883: just saying that instead of mythweb being another from-scratch, replicate-all-the-functionality client of mythbackend, we'll have only one client and mythweb will just allow you to expose "safe" parts of that to the Internet |
| [21:39:22] | dekarl: | EvilGuru: DVB-S? |
| [21:39:25] | tgm4883: | and by apache, I mean an external webserver |
| [21:39:29] | EvilGuru: | dekarl: And DVB-T |
| [21:39:41] | dekarl: | EvilGuru: which version are you running? |
| [21:39:45] | EvilGuru: | 0.25 |
| [21:39:52] | stuartm: | tgm4883: yeah sorry, I mean apache/php, not mysql/php – although mysql will go when we embed the db |
| [21:39:56] | dekarl: | 0.25 from when? commit/datE? |
| [21:40:06] | sphery: | tgm4883: I see a MythWeb continuing to exist specifically to allow people to open up MythWeb-type functionality over the Internet... You do /not/ want all the capabilities of port 6545 on the 'net |
| [21:40:08] | stuartm: | different, but related set of changes |
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| [21:40:15] | EvilGuru: | It would be March something, pre release, I do need to update |
| [21:40:21] | justinh: | anyway in terms of performance, mythtv should not really even be a contender for 'heavy' use |
| [21:40:26] | tgm4883: | sphery, I agree with that |
| [21:40:27] | sphery: | tgm4883: and, for that, I'd prefer Apache + the mythweb proxy thing |
| [21:40:30] | justinh: | I mean as far as mysql goes |
| [21:40:38] | dekarl: | EvilGuru: you want to update past this fix #10054 |
| [21:40:38] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10054 ** | |
| [21:40:45] | EvilGuru: | But scanning takes 5 minutes for DVB-T + hassle and 25 for DVB-S + hassle |
| [21:41:02] | tgm4883: | justinh, so all the people that have very large setups are wrong? |
| [21:41:09] | stuartm: | sphery: you don't want mythweb on the internet, not without authentication and if you've added authentication then it matters little whether it's a proxy or the backend directly |
| [21:41:19] | justinh: | and I think before the db goes embedded there's got to be a good way to fix channel mappings w.r.t. xmltv & DVB |
| [21:41:33] | justinh: | because right now, it's a massive pain in the rectum |
| [21:42:00] | EvilGuru: | justinh: It has never worked right with the setup thing |
| [21:42:02] | stuartm: | well assuming the http stuff has all the proper input validation that we were promised it would have (not the case when Daniel took a look at dvr.cpp the other day) |
| [21:42:07] | justinh: | tgm4883: no, but apparently in terms of the stuff mythtv does, it's small beans |
| [21:42:19] | sphery: | stuartm: I'm imagining a proxy approach that allows me to expose some things and not expose others--because no one should /ever/ delete my capture cards across the Internet |
| [21:42:28] | EvilGuru: | I usually just google for the list of xmltv ids for uk_rt and then write my own file and insert the ids into the db |
| [21:43:19] | justinh: | wonder how the wizardizing process is going for the xmltv folks.. or are they still stuck in "so, what schema should we use?" hell |
| [21:43:24] | stuartm: | sphery: a set of access controls and user accounts can restrict what can be done remotely, hell we can even hardcode the restrictions so that only IPs on a local network can modify some things |
| [21:43:25] | ** tgm4883 goes back to stabbing iSupport with a large fork ** | |
| [21:43:34] | sphery: | anyway, if others feel that people should just expose all of 6545 to the 'net, that's fine with me--and I just won't (and will work around it with tunelling) |
| [21:43:51] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Someone just needs to write an online services that translates DVB serviceid's => xmltvids |
| [21:44:05] | EvilGuru: | *service |
| [21:44:18] | sphery: | stuartm: true, we could build our own security |
| [21:44:20] | tgm4883: | stuartm, I don't think that should be locked down that much in the code. Working with packagers though to lock that down by default is better IMO |
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| [21:44:24] | justinh: | EvilGuru: that's kinda what the xmltv guys want to do – last time I looked they were still discussing how best to do it |
| [21:44:24] | sphery: | (I'm just not about to trust it :) |
| [21:44:41] | dekarl: | EvilGuru: <hint>you should take a peek at uk_rt's lineup capability in the upcoming release</hint> I've massages my data into that format, too |
| [21:44:48] | stuartm: | EvilGuru: that data actually exists on the mythtv servers right now in the form of the icon database, we just haven't leveraged for the purpose of populating xmltvids |
| [21:45:13] | justinh: | and if you're outside of the UK, good luck ;-) |
| [21:45:19] | EvilGuru: | The icon db thing usually works really well, actually |
| [21:45:45] | EvilGuru: | Be nice if a similar thing could be done for going transports => channels as rescanning is not fun |
| [21:46:01] | justinh: | EvilGuru: trouble is, it needs to be kept up to date |
| [21:46:13] | justinh: | and doing it by postcode location alone is likely not enough |
| [21:46:21] | stuartm: | tgm4883: I disagree tbh, there are plenty of users compiling for themselves or clueless packagers who won't lock it down, they'll then expose it on the internet lose all their recordings or worse and we'll get the blame |
| [21:46:36] | justinh: | and will be tricky in areas served by two transmitter sites – i.e. adjacent regions |
| [21:46:39] | EvilGuru: | justinh: First time I guess mythtv would need to go transport hunting |
| [21:46:57] | stuartm: | IMHO the default state of ANY application should be locked down tight, then people can loosen the restrictions themselves and accept the consequences |
| [21:46:59] | justinh: | EvilGuru: there'll always be some smartass who wants S4C and Channel 4 |
| [21:47:07] | EvilGuru: | We have two viable transmitters here, I did not realize until a month after setting it all up that half of my channels were from one and half from the other |
| [21:47:23] | justinh: | it's all too... edgy |
| [21:47:31] | EvilGuru: | So I went into the DB, manually changed the multiplex ids and nuked the dodgy multiplexes |
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| [21:47:40] | justinh: | I dunno what MCE does. Oh wait yeah I do. It just screws it all up to hell |
| [21:47:45] | dekarl: | EvilGuru: thats another issue, MythTV doesn't follow the DVB implementation guies wrt multiple transmissions of the same multiplex on different frequencies... |
| [21:47:56] | tgm4883: | stuartm, perhaps default on in the code unless some configuration is set in the db/file? |
| [21:48:00] | justinh: | dekarl: nor do all broadcasters |
| [21:48:07] | stuartm: | the scan works well if you're not in the area between two overlapping transmitters |
| [21:48:12] | EvilGuru: | dekarl: What does the spec say to do? |
| [21:48:14] | dekarl: | but you really should try scanning DVB after updating to latest 0.25-fixes it made a huge difference for me |
| [21:48:19] | stuartm: | tgm4883: right |
| [21:48:47] | tgm4883: | stuartm, I just don't want to see it be something that is locked in the code and can only be disabled via a patch and recompile |
| [21:48:50] | stuartm: | default to the safest/sanest configuration |
| [21:48:53] | EvilGuru: | As from what I understand once you find one transport it can tell you about all of the others from that transmitter |
| [21:48:56] | tgm4883: | stuartm, yes |
| [21:49:02] | dekarl: | EvilGuru: it says that you should be able to do something sensible if you are between regions and receive on multiplex via different transports, e.g. choose the strongest signal. |
| [21:49:02] | justinh: | EvilGuru: yeah, it does |
| [21:49:21] | justinh: | strongest != best ;-) |
| [21:49:23] | dekarl: | with "last save wins" not being considere sensible :) |
| [21:49:25] | EvilGuru: | As when I did scan I ended up with 8 multiplexes as opposed to 10 |
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| [21:49:51] | dekarl: | justinh: aye, make that "least uncorrectable errors" or similar |
| [21:50:08] | EvilGuru: | So if myth had looked it could have noticed that we had one transmitter with 5/5 and the other with 3/5 |
| [21:50:15] | justinh: | dekarl: in australia, people are operating local repeaters which aren't correctly altering the NIT |
| [21:50:47] | justinh: | dekarl: so they could be even on VHF frequencies, but broadcasting UHF entries in the tables |
| [21:50:48] | dekarl: | justinh: is that the "proper offset frequencies are not in the NIT" issue? |
| [21:50:51] | EvilGuru: | dekarl: I am probably not going to rescan until the BBC bring out their 24 HD channel lineup for the olympics |
| [21:50:57] | justinh: | dekarl: no |
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| [21:51:28] | justinh: | dekarl: this is the 'transmitter is just a dumb rebroadcast of a very far away transmitter' issue |
| [21:51:40] | dekarl: | EvilGuru: you can just create a "DVB-T scan playground" source, disconnect the real source, connect the test source and scan, look and delete |
| [21:53:12] | justinh: | dekarl: the tables which describe other entities in the network, containing frequency etc – of a multiplex... myth (mistakenly?) always believes those, so completely broke for some people in Aus a while ago – because their streams are saying there are other muxes on frequencies where they ain't |
| [21:53:53] | justinh: | I think that's likely fixed now though, since the appearance of the 'discover other transports' clickable |
| [21:54:00] | dekarl: | justinh: no, thats the "last save wins instead of multiple entries with different frequencies" issue |
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| [21:54:13] | justinh: | it's just an example of broadcasters not following the specs |
| [21:54:19] | justinh: | s/an/another/ |
| [21:54:27] | dekarl: | the primary key is sourceid+onid+tsid... but thats not enough |
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| [21:54:50] | justinh: | well, it's all easy for anyone else to say |
| [21:54:57] | dekarl: | but with the latest fixes it should be a lot better then before |
| [21:55:00] | justinh: | I wouldn't like to reqrite the scanner |
| [21:55:48] | justinh: | hmm I think it's mostly time to display the year in my mythfrontend dates |
| [21:55:59] | dekarl: | that's why I have been digging through mountains of DVB specs and implementation guidelines on and off the last two years, to figure out what we are doing wrong... |
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| [21:57:48] | justinh: | wrong? not so much. Man, I've tried to use that 'other' scanning util a couple of times. Oh boy |
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| [21:58:39] | justinh: | the scan every frequency in the RF spectrum very slowly & just sit there not reporting any progress – type app |
| [21:58:50] | dekarl: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10054#comment:8 shows how much better DVB scanning has gotten in the last two months. (two sequences of scan, scan, restart, scan) |
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| [21:59:32] | justinh: | I honestly hope I never have to rescan again. In my life |
| [22:01:02] | justinh: | if I ever need to I just zap all my channels & redo it. I just can't take all the 'X on air channels' and 'Y new channels' stuff |
| [22:01:08] | dekarl: | I can understand that, having done my share of scans :) |
| [22:01:28] | justinh: | so it's not so much a rescan. it's a DELETE then scan |
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| [22:01:49] | justinh: | a rescan is confusing in the extreme |
| [22:02:03] | EvilGuru: | Be nice if rescanning could be done in the background like some TVs |
| [22:02:15] | justinh: | it used to be |
| [22:02:21] | EvilGuru: | Channels that have changed added to a 'do you care' table |
| [22:02:26] | justinh: | new channels used to get added automatically |
| [22:02:33] | justinh: | you could delete a channel & it'd come back |
| [22:03:06] | justinh: | back in the pioneer times, you add to add the transport IDs YO'SELF |
| [22:03:30] | justinh: | which worked ok, til broadcasters started changing IDs on the fly. Those bastards |
| [22:03:48] | dekarl: | aye, a active channel scanner similar to the active eit scanner would be nice |
| [22:03:51] | justinh: | now it seems even the channel name can change on a whim |
| [22:04:09] | justinh: | dekarl: it's made kinda messy by having time-dependent channels |
| [22:04:29] | EvilGuru: | dekarl: It would have to handle not wanting a channel and manual reassignment of numbers — still I think it would be nice |
| [22:04:36] | dekarl: | justinh: not if they are properly signalled as being existent but off-air :) |
| [22:04:59] | justinh: | ah, that relies on the broadcaster following the rules |
| [22:05:07] | dekarl: | EvilGuru: like unchecking the visible box on a channel you don't care about? |
| [22:05:16] | justinh: | oo, stuarta is still around eh? that's nice to know |
| [22:05:27] | EvilGuru: | dekarl: I usually just decline to add them, post scan |
| [22:05:34] | dekarl: | but I agree on the numbers and all kinds of stuff being overwritten with each scan |
| [22:05:36] | justinh: | dekarl: meh, the visible field isn't filtered enough in mythfrontend |
| [22:05:51] | dekarl: | justinh: sounds like a bug then |
| [22:06:04] | justinh: | dekarl: no, apparently it's intentional in some places |
| [22:06:10] | justinh: | god, some people's idea of logic... |
| [22:06:32] | dekarl: | so "visible no" does not mean that it should be out of sight all the time? |
| [22:06:50] | justinh: | like channels hidden aren't visible in the guide but their shows appear in the finder and in searches |
| [22:07:06] | justinh: | dekarl: depends whose version of visible you mean |
| [22:08:40] | justinh: | jees. my oldest recording still on disk.. 2005-10–14 23:30:00] |
| [22:09:08] | justinh: | bet Sky+ won't let you keep anything that long |
| [22:09:24] | justinh: | I think I should prolly edit the ads out & archive that one |
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| [22:15:31] | sphery: | we're planning to change the meaning of channel visibility |
| [22:15:53] | sphery: | main problem is working up the motivation to handle the complaints |
| [22:15:59] | justinh: | lol |
| [22:16:32] | sphery: | but, fwiw, using visible to keep channels that shouldn't be used is a horrible hack |
| [22:16:36] | sphery: | which is why we plan to change it |
| [22:16:47] | sphery: | it will either become disabled |
| [22:17:02] | justinh: | ooh, I may actually be able to get away with doing mythtv work at work – since c++ looks a lot like PHP to the untrained eye innit |
| [22:17:14] | sphery: | or will become a non-bool that can be used to provide more info about channel |
| [22:17:20] | justinh: | sphery: you're going to shoot its kneecaps out? |
| [22:17:30] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Hehe, true |
| [22:17:33] | sphery: | (i.e. disabled/visible (in guide)/radio only/...) |
| [22:17:34] | justinh: | or just those of the people who complain? |
| [22:17:48] | sphery: | we're going to change it to work the way the people who are abusing it think it works |
| [22:18:00] | justinh: | abusing it? |
| [22:18:12] | sphery: | to allow them to keep channels in their DB that should never be used |
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| [22:18:24] | justinh: | I thought most people would just use it to mask channels they hate the very thought of even existing |
| [22:18:36] | sphery: | just because they think it makes it easier than deleting channels that shouldn't be used |
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| [22:18:43] | EvilGuru: | *cough* challenge *cough* |
| [22:18:50] | justinh: | sphery: only to have them reappear on a rescan |
| [22:19:11] | sphery: | visible simply means, "not shown in the EPG and not considered for recording rules" |
| [22:19:23] | sphery: | however allows that channel to be used, i.e., in Live TV |
| [22:19:27] | sphery: | it's a full-fledged channel |
| [22:19:30] | sphery: | it receives listings |
| [22:19:34] | sphery: | it's usable |
| [22:19:43] | sphery: | just not visible like the rest |
| [22:20:01] | sphery: | therefore, dad can have his "special" channels that the kids don't know about |
| [22:20:07] | sphery: | or whatever |
| [22:20:28] | tgm4883: | that sounds awesome |
| [22:20:38] | tgm4883: | cause I don't want the kids to know I watch the cartoon network |
| [22:21:02] | sphery: | but with channel groups, you can specify "visibility in guide", and users are complaining that "if it's not visible, it shouldn't be usable in live tv" (because they somehow read "visible" as "disabled") |
| [22:21:04] | justinh: | and I wouldn't want my parents to know I watch all-girl naked volleyball +1 |
| [22:21:08] | sphery: | so, we'll just change it to disabled |
| [22:21:22] | sphery: | and then dad will have to figure out some better way to keep the kids from those "other" channels |
| [22:21:39] | sphery: | which likely means deleting them from the DB |
| [22:21:43] | justinh: | sphery: it's an issue of semantics, as always. see the (you know what) debacle ;-) |
| [22:21:53] | sphery: | so those channels aren't usable at all in mythtv |
| [22:22:04] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:22:14] | sphery: | I still think Video Source is a perfect name for it |
| [22:22:14] | justinh: | sphery: and reinserting em on a cron job every night |
| [22:22:23] | sphery: | /because/ it has no meaning/use elsewhere |
| [22:22:36] | sphery: | since nothing used elsewhere is equivalent |
| [22:22:51] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, there may be hacks like that, too |
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| [22:23:21] | sphery: | really, though, even the originally-conceived visible approach was wrought with danger |
| [22:23:24] | tgm4883: | actually, reading though the backlog, I delete the channels in SD that I don't want on my backend |
| [22:23:30] | sphery: | and multiuser would be far more appropriate |
| [22:23:56] | sphery: | tgm4883: that's the best way... delete from SD lineup, and from MythTV Video Source |
| [22:24:04] | tgm4883: | yep |
| [22:24:15] | sphery: | that way the channel truly is disabled--can't be any more disabled than that :) |
| [22:24:23] | sphery: | I do the same |
| [22:24:36] | tgm4883: | sphery, well, what if I bought the company that owns the channel and discountinued it |
| [22:24:40] | tgm4883: | that would be more disabled |
| [22:24:45] | justinh: | LOL |
| [22:24:45] | sphery: | partly because it's just better and partly because I could never abuse the meaning of some configuration :) |
| [22:24:55] | sphery: | hehe, I stand corrected |
| [22:25:07] | justinh: | tgm4883: if I had my way, the channels I've got set to invisible – or that I've deleted – would no longer be broadcast |
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| [22:26:01] | tgm4883: | I have that same feeling |
| [22:26:02] | justinh: | Challenge... for pity's sakes.. a gameshow repeats channel |
| [22:26:29] | sphery: | I just hope that when the cell phone companies steal the OTA spectrum from the broadcasters, we get to choose which channels disappear |
| [22:26:33] | justinh: | and 'Rabbit TV' with all its variants.. which aren't really TV channels but placeholders with MHEG applications in em |
| [22:26:39] | tgm4883: | I've removed all shopping channels, foreign language channels, weather channels, etc |
| [22:26:59] | justinh: | we have a lot of +1 channels here |
| [22:27:04] | justinh: | channels timeshifted one hour |
| [22:27:12] | justinh: | WHY? We have DVRs now |
| [22:27:35] | sphery: | considering some people think it's a better use of spectrum to have every man/woman/child in the US pulling their own copy of every show on demand via mobile wireless than to multicast broadcast the content to everyone |
| [22:27:40] | EvilGuru: | justinh: No better use for the bandwidth it seems |
| [22:27:58] | justinh: | EvilGuru: apart from analogue-like picture quality you mean? |
| [22:28:16] | justinh: | instead of the macroblocky shite they curl out 24/7 |
| [22:28:24] | EvilGuru: | Worse than analogue in many cases, but at least the audio is better |
| [22:28:37] | justinh: | better on paper |
| [22:28:48] | justinh: | it never used to be so dynamically compressed |
| [22:28:55] | sphery: | (though I'm sure that pipe dream will disappear when people start paying for bandwidth--since "unlimited" internet plans aren't sustainable) |
| [22:29:10] | justinh: | the 'just leave it to the processor' school of thought |
| [22:29:26] | sphery: | justinh: run a CSI "enhance" filter on each frame |
| [22:29:32] | justinh: | meh |
| [22:29:47] | sphery: | wow, you can see the hairs on the legs of the fly on that building a half mile away! |
| [22:29:53] | EvilGuru: | Freeview quality has gotten worse over the past couple of years |
| [22:30:02] | tgm4883: | sphery, that's fake. |
| [22:30:10] | sphery: | what? |
| [22:30:10] | justinh: | EvilGuru: really? nothing to do with shaving one whole mux off the list then? |
| [22:30:12] | EvilGuru: | I remember when even the worst channels were 900mb/hour, now it is more like 720 |
| [22:30:17] | tgm4883: | you have to run the filter twice to see that hair at a half mile |
| [22:30:19] | sphery: | but it was on CSI! It has to be real |
| [22:30:21] | EvilGuru: | justinh: No, we're better off b/w wise |
| [22:30:25] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:30:30] | justinh: | EvilGuru: we can't be |
| [22:30:41] | justinh: | EvilGuru: we had less channels on SIX muxes |
| [22:30:47] | EvilGuru: | justinh: BBC used to have a silly 18mbit/s mux |
| [22:30:54] | justinh: | now we have more channels on Five |
| [22:31:00] | EvilGuru: | and at least one of them is now 27mbit/s as opposed to 24 |
| [22:31:00] | sphery: | ah, yeah, first pass just gives them the fly's face, so they can run it through the face-recognition database... to get more details, it takes another pass |
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| [22:31:18] | justinh: | EvilGuru: yeah but bitrates per channel are now worse |
| [22:31:21] | EvilGuru: | so we're now 4*24 + 1*27 |
| [22:31:22] | sphery: | unless the drama requires more passes or more time for a better "reveal" |
| [22:31:27] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Yep, that is the bad news |
| [22:31:37] | justinh: | that's what I meant |
| [22:31:38] | tgm4883: | sphery, exactly. But you need a GUI interface built in visual basic to track the fly's IP address |
| [22:31:45] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:32:08] | dekarl: | sphery: deleting channels doesn't work out well for DVB... you'll get them back on every channel scan |
| [22:32:12] | EvilGuru: | justinh: However in going from 6 -> 5 I do not think that the overall bandwidth in mbit/s available to freeview went down |
| [22:33:09] | colonelqubit: | I'm throwing together a machine for a friend of mine. Thoughts on using a wiimote vs. a more bog-standard remote control for mythtv? |
| [22:33:12] | EvilGuru: | Be nice if they could all go to 8k 3/4 as opposed to 8k 2/3 |
| [22:33:15] | justinh: | indexing rays from fly's eye element reflection... zooming in (beep) (beep) (beep)... whoosh.. a number plate becomes visible.. blurry.. another pass.. beep... |
| [22:33:28] | justinh: | EvilGuru: be nicer if all the crud would just **** OFF |
| [22:34:07] | EvilGuru: | I am still waiting for the callin-in live channels to get a +1 service |
| [22:34:12] | justinh: | colonelqubit: do they want to get pissed off waving their arms around or pissed off by not always pointing the remote in the right direction ? |
| [22:34:39] | colonelqubit: | justinh: so you use... a keyboard? :-) |
| [22:34:54] | justinh: | colonelqubit: a remote. An IR remote. I hate wiimotes |
| [22:34:56] | EvilGuru: | However, Sky seem to be taking <PickTV> seriously again |
| [22:34:57] | justinh: | too.. wavy |
| [22:35:10] | colonelqubit: | justinh: Ah, okay. |
| [22:35:13] | EvilGuru: | I saw something other than Roadwars/Passport control/Airport in the listings |
| [22:35:28] | justinh: | colonelqubit: besides, a wiimote is way more mouse-like than mythtv can really cope with |
| [22:35:54] | sphery: | tgm4883: and have to issue intuitive and simple typed-in-full commands at the prompt, "Enter application request:" such as, "Run:// Access Y-Filer" (and all caps, too, though I've changed that to spare the yelling here...) |
| [22:36:00] | justinh: | I've seen some hideous ideas on TV from tradeshows about TV UIs.. involving arm-waving |
| [22:36:23] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Obesity is a big problem and getting people up and moving has to be a good thing |
| [22:36:34] | colonelqubit: | justinh: fair enough. I was thinking that he might want to control a basic wm on his tv as well |
| [22:36:34] | justinh: | a big problem for whom? |
| [22:36:40] | sphery: | justinh: both arm-waving and ARM-waving (using a tablet as a remote) are terrible UI ideas for TVs |
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| [22:36:49] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Big people! |
| [22:36:59] | colonelqubit: | and in that case, the wiimote would work more like a presentation mouse |
| [22:37:15] | sphery: | I can just imagine, "Oh, sorry, didn't mean to hit you--I was just changing the channel," for arm waving |
| [22:37:20] | justinh: | if fat people die sooner, more pension for me! |
| [22:37:29] | tgm4883: | it's a gimmick |
| [22:37:39] | tgm4883: | nobody wants to change the channel by waving at the tv |
| [22:37:45] | sphery: | and, "Oh, wait, have to rewind again--I missed that since I was looking down at the tablet/remote" |
| [22:38:06] | justinh: | I certainly don't want a visitor to my house taking over the TV by flicking something at it from their frickin phone |
| [22:38:23] | tgm4883: | although I can see the benefit of voice control |
| [22:38:53] | justinh: | and if you thought arguing with your dad over control of the remote was bad – wait til all the kids in a family's house pair their smartphones to the set in the lounge |
| [22:39:44] | sphery: | tgm4883: yes, so rather than have the processor on the TV handle voice control, let's hook the TV to the Internet, then have the TV record samples of the audio, then upload it to my company server on the Internet--which I can use to track every single request being made, among other things--and then have that server send back a command that tells the TV to do the right thing |
| [22:39:48] | justinh: | AppleTV, with integrated Siri... quietly logging every single voice request.. for your convenience |
| [22:39:49] | colonelqubit: | tgm4883: I'm just waiting for the talking computer w/majel barrett's voice |
| [22:40:13] | justinh: | colonelqubit: a bit tricky, seeing as she's a bit... dead |
| [22:40:15] | sphery: | we'll just tell everyong, "It allows for better processing and more-precise understanding of commands" |
| [22:40:27] | tgm4883: | sphery, well that is a privacy issue, but certainly can be fixed by doing voice control locally |
| [22:40:32] | tgm4883: | rather than farmed out |
| [22:40:36] | sphery: | and then we can sell all of the data we gather and make a fortune! |
| [22:40:49] | justinh: | tgm4883: but it'll only have an Intel SubAtom CPU so they have to farm it out |
| [22:40:52] | colonelqubit: | justinh: oh, indeed. But luckily we have enough voice samples of her that we can probably make a pretty reasonable voice map (or whatever the linguists call it :-) |
| [22:40:57] | sphery: | can be... but where's the business model in doing it right? |
| [22:41:15] | dekarl: | A TV should obviously be controlled with a mouse (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092007/ ^^) |
| [22:41:17] | tgm4883: | While searching would be a nice function via voice, minimally I'd be ok with play/pause/stop |
| [22:41:27] | sphery: | colonelqubit: that's the name of the Android response to Siri--Majel |
| [22:41:38] | sphery: | http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57343849 . . . -by-the-day/ |
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| [22:41:43] | colonelqubit: | sphery: lol |
| [22:42:32] | sphery: | I still have to wonder if anyone actually uses Siri in their normal routine |
| [22:42:40] | sphery: | it just seems so unnecessary |
| [22:42:44] | tgm4883: | sphery, I hear it doesn't work so well |
| [22:42:52] | tgm4883: | It works OK |
| [22:43:00] | tgm4883: | but nothing like the commercials |
| [22:43:08] | sphery: | "Siri, is that rain?" |
| [22:43:08] | tgm4883: | I don't know anyone with Siri personally though |
| [22:44:01] | sphery: | a friend was demo-ing it when she got her new 4S right after release... it definitely wasn't like the commercial |
| [22:44:21] | justinh: | the guy who voiced Siri in the UK – maybe in the whole world I dunno.. is part of a voicebank & was used on an SMS to speech service.. with hilarious consequences. So I find it difficult taking Siri seriously |
| [22:44:42] | sphery: | in the US, Siri's voice is a female voice |
| [22:46:06] | tgm4883: | I have seen more Siri commercials on Hulu though |
| [22:46:34] | tgm4883: | which was due to my unfortunate backend show deleting fiasco |
| [22:46:37] | justinh: | anyway, all the processing would happen in the cloud. Clouds aren't evil. |
| [22:46:49] | justinh: | unless they're super-cumulonimbus ones... |
| [22:47:07] | tgm4883: | justinh, if only people could agree what 'cloud' means |
| [22:47:17] | justinh: | cloud is... CLOUD. OKAY?!?!?!?! |
| [22:47:24] | justinh: | it's CLOUD!!! |
| [22:47:33] | tgm4883: | ok ok |
| [22:47:41] | colonelqubit: | re:majel, it would be cool if they could use her voice. Although I would have a little trepidation asking my android phone questions like "What is the nature of the universe?" |
| [22:47:44] | justinh: | (which means... edgy, zeitgeisty overused term) ;-) |
| [22:47:45] | tgm4883: | we'll just sync it via wifi to the rfid in the cloud |
| [22:48:01] | sphery: | justinh: my experience with MarioKart says that clouds /are/ in fact evil |
| [22:48:06] | justinh: | lol |
| [22:48:47] | justinh: | colonelqubit: I think I'd want to punch the speakers out within a day. I can't stand her voice |
| [22:49:05] | justinh: | though she was never quite as annoying as ORAC |
| [22:49:19] | justinh: | punchable computers. Ahhhh |
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| [22:49:53] | colonelqubit: | justinh: wait... was that from a british show? |
| [22:50:10] | justinh: | ORAC was the kind of ship's computer who would, upon being asked a question it considered easy, would just point the asker at a LMGTFY link |
| [22:50:33] | justinh: | colonelqubit: yeah |
| [22:50:45] | justinh: | colonelqubit: same guy who voiced K9 in Dr Who I think. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| [22:51:15] | fa2k: | Hi, does mythtv write to some other directory temporarily before it writes to the live TV directory? |
| [22:51:59] | fa2k: | I get lots of I/O on the hard drive even when using tmpfs, and it clears out the cache |
| [22:52:55] | sphery: | fa2k: likely you're seeing mysql activity |
| [22:53:22] | fa2k: | sphery: thanks, quite likely, will check |
| [23:00:09] | fa2k: | i really don't know... it's reduced but not eliminated, i'll do some more tests |
| [23:02:53] | dekarl: | fa2k: could try iotop |
| [23:06:19] | fa2k: | yeah it's just mysql , mythbackend and some system stuff.. oh well |
| [23:06:39] | tgm4883: | jdb2? |
| [23:07:45] | fa2k: | not jdb.. |
| [23:08:11] | fa2k: | it's not showing up again heh |
| [23:09:05] | fa2k: | ok i'll have to leave it like that |
| [23:09:10] | fa2k: | thanks for the help |
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| [23:15:31] | fa2k: | it was mysql !! |
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| [23:20:57] | lapion: | sphery the problem is still there.. |
| [23:22:41] | shubes: | I'm doing a dist-upgrade via gui, and it's at the point of configuring mysql server. Under Terminal, it shows the Configuring mysql-server-5.5 text window, waiting for <ok>. I can't seem to reply. Any help? |
| [23:22:59] | lapion: | sphery, strangely enough | can be recording 3 channels at a time, however I cannot be watching one channel live and recording the 2 others |
| [23:24:48] | sphery: | lapion: you can, but you have to enter live tv last |
| [23:25:08] | sphery: | because each recording will take the tuner out from under live tv |
| [23:25:09] | lapion: | this used to be working just 3 weeks ago |
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| [23:25:54] | sphery: | not sure what changed |
| [23:26:06] | sphery: | you can try figuring out which commit broke it |
| [23:27:01] | lapion: | sphery, I think the problem is related to some other bug |
| [23:27:33] | lapion: | because I could not stop the backend either.. I had to kill -9 it.. |
| [23:28:06] | lapion: | when I stopped the backend the process was still running.. |
| [23:30:55] | lapion: | sphery, if I start live-tv while recording on the 2 other sources I have no problems |
| [23:31:19] | lapion: | sphery, I can change channels and everything. |
| [23:32:48] | lapion: | sphery, however if I exit live playback and reenter it I get a stream of which I cannot change channels with the arrow keys, only by typing the channel numbers I can change channels |
| [23:34:02] | lapion: | hmm very strange it seems to happen every other time. |
| [23:34:52] | lapion: | some times the arrow keys work sometimes they don't |
| [23:35:53] | lapion: | I ‌think I might have to change the recording or live tv priorities.. |
| [23:36:07] | shubes: | Never mind. I killed the whiptail process(es), and continued. This appears to be more of a general ubuntu problem. I'll go there. Pardon the noise. |
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| [23:52:41] | lapion: | hmm when I start mythbackend it gives and incorrect process number.. it gives the number of the wrapper.. |
| [23:54:36] | lapion: | nvm.. |
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