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| [02:11:21] | map7: | I'm running the latest 0.25 with fixes and I cannot adjust the volume whilst a movie is playing, can anyone help? |
| [02:11:31] | map7: | I am getting sound from the speakers |
| [02:11:43] | map7: | And I can adjust it using alsamixer on the command line |
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| [03:54:40] | ** xris kicks fedora17 ** | |
| [03:55:05] | xris: | anyone hear of any issues with the latest 3.3.7 kernel and dcr-2650 tuner? |
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| [04:01:27] | xris: | ah, I think it's actually fedora's network manager |
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| [05:37:37] | map7: | Just trying to compile 0.25/fixes within a chroot and I keep getting the error 'You must have FreeType installed' |
| [05:38:11] | map7: | I have the libfreetype6-dev installed under Mythbuntu 12.04 |
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| [06:42:27] | tank-man: | map7, is it installed in the chroot? |
| [06:43:17] | map7: | tank-man, yes libfreetype6-dev & libfreetype6 are installed in the chroot |
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| [13:38:11] | ujee: | I had my tuner backend up and running without issues, but all what I'm getting now is "recording offline". It obviously isn't. Any hints what should be checked first and what later? I don't see any errors in the logs.. should slave's connection be visible in master's log? |
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| [14:05:32] | ujee: | hmm.. the server was somewhat stuck, "sudo service mythtv-backend stop" said "no instance".. I had to kill it. after starting it seems to work now.. |
| [14:16:19] | ujee: | correction – it says recorder failed |
| [14:18:18] | nothal: | Can I use a .24 database dump to load a new install of .25? Was mysql schema change in .35? |
| [14:20:22] | wagnerrp: | yes, yes |
| [14:20:47] | wagnerrp: | then 0.25 tries to connect to the old database, it will automatically update it to the current schema |
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| [14:26:49] | nothal: | Great. Thanks. |
| [14:33:21] | ujee: | wagnerrp, I put the slave tuner backend on a reachable ip address.. I think it made the problem worse |
| [14:33:35] | ujee: | CoreContext bonjourregister.cpp:53 (Register) Bonjour: Error: -65537 UH? Do I need avahi to run mythtv? |
| [14:34:12] | wagnerrp: | no, entirely optional |
| [14:35:01] | ujee: | ok.. the the main cause should be in "IPTVChan(7): SetChannelByString(8) Invalid channel" |
| [14:35:27] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like a problem |
| [14:35:33] | ujee: | which tells me that some strings somewhere have to match... which? |
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| [15:01:53] | ujee: | wagnerrp, is the "8" in SetChannelByString the string? Do I need to check the names or numbers of the channels? |
| [15:02:36] | wagnerrp: | dont know off hand |
| [15:03:54] | ujee: | ok, where can I check? (I am annoying you enough allready, I know) |
| [15:05:45] | wagnerrp: | could i see the full backend logs? |
| [15:09:24] | ujee: | sure |
| [15:09:33] | ujee: | which backend, wagnerrp ? |
| [15:09:42] | wagnerrp: | both i guess |
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| [15:28:27] | ujee: | wagnerrp, here you go. Slave: http://fpaste.org/yAwP/ Master: http://fpaste.org/Eb03/ |
| [15:29:55] | wagnerrp: | i assume you replaced MASTER_IP and SLAVE_IP in the logs, thats not what was originally there? |
| [15:30:34] | ujee: | there where real IPs of course |
| [15:32:02] | wagnerrp: | why is your IPTV run through a slave backend? |
| [15:32:15] | wagnerrp: | its IPTV, it doesnt need physical access to some tuner |
| [15:32:23] | ujee: | it's not iptv |
| [15:32:56] | wagnerrp: | it thinks it is |
| [15:33:03] | wagnerrp: | its reading an m3u would would indicate it is |
| [15:33:08] | ujee: | yes, it works like iptv |
| [15:33:33] | ujee: | it's actually getstream on dvbt tunners |
| [15:33:49] | wagnerrp: | why not just use the DVB-T tuner directly in mythtv? |
| [15:34:05] | wagnerrp: | sounds like youre doing something thats prone to cause errors |
| [15:34:22] | ujee: | because most of the users use getstream's http streaming abilities |
| [15:35:01] | ujee: | but it should not cause "unknown channel", right? |
| [15:35:18] | wagnerrp: | 0.25 has an HLS server built into the backend |
| [15:35:35] | wagnerrp: | and i believe one of the devs has it expanded for use with live tv in the developmental branch |
| [15:36:18] | ujee: | hmm.. that sounds like a solution... is there some documentation around? |
| [15:36:39] | ujee: | streaming all channels to localhost wastes quite some cpu cycles anyway |
| [15:37:00] | wagnerrp: | at the moment, not a whole lot |
| [15:37:09] | wagnerrp: | do you know how to access the backend web server? |
| [15:37:23] | ujee: | 6544? |
| [15:37:25] | wagnerrp: | its that second port the master is listening on, 6544 |
| [15:37:26] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [15:37:46] | wagnerrp: | on the left side, see API --> Examples --> HTTP Live Streaming |
| [15:38:18] | ujee: | Ah – I might know..... the master backend shutdown thing. Would it do HLS when the DB and master are offline? I hate those constrains |
| [15:38:23] | ujee: | I don't seem to have that in there |
| [15:38:38] | wagnerrp: | no, requires the master backend and database to be running |
| [15:38:56] | wagnerrp: | (nearly) everything in mythtv requires the master backend and database |
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| [15:39:38] | wagnerrp: | plus its a lot of cpu cycles to transcode the file into something that can be streamed to portable devices |
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| [15:40:31] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if the getstream you were using previously was able to simply chop up the h264 stream from the broadcaster, and repackage it for streaming |
| [15:41:17] | ujee: | wagnerrp, there is no h264 |
| [15:42:06] | ujee: | all it does is sorting the PIDs and duplicating them into correct pipes |
| [15:42:07] | wagnerrp: | your device supports mpeg2 video? |
| [15:42:29] | wagnerrp: | android? |
| [15:42:39] | ujee: | I don't have any portable device |
| [15:42:59] | ujee: | only computers with mplayer :) |
| [15:43:25] | wagnerrp: | oh, well then the mythtv-ish recommendation is to just run mythfrontend |
| [15:43:55] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: we just doing point releases every ~2 months then? |
| [15:44:22] | ujee: | that makes sense... some might not have opengl, though. Xv only |
| [15:44:57] | wagnerrp: | xv is fine for now, theres been no decision to drop support in the near future |
| [15:44:58] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: depends how much gets backported, whether any particularly serious bugs were fixed etc |
| [15:46:10] | stuartm: | I think I once proposed monthly point releases, but that requires some organisation on my part and I'm pretty disorganised by nature ;) |
| [15:46:52] | ujee: | wagnerrp, also, some might be even more obscure arm device... long story short – I still don't believe that "invalid channel" message is caused by localhost network jitter or any random factor |
| [15:46:53] | wagnerrp: | or just script it |
| [15:47:10] | wagnerrp: | ujee: the whole IPTV interface is fairly buggy |
| [15:47:25] | stuartm: | releases are mostly scripted now, but there are still a couple of fiddly manual steps such as moving the tarballs to the correct location |
| [15:47:33] | wagnerrp: | and isnt going to get any better due to it relying on a 3rd party library abandoned by its creator |
| [15:47:43] | ujee: | awww |
| [15:47:52] | wagnerrp: | one of the devs in the progress of rewriting the whole thing, nearly from scratch, to bypass that |
| [15:50:03] | ujee: | that's nice, does it mean that it'll work eventually? |
| [15:51:33] | ujee: | in the meantime – are you sure that it's a glitch and not a misconfiguration? I might try to record on each channel to find out which work and which don't |
| [15:51:48] | wagnerrp: | i dont know much about the IPTV interface, to be honest |
| [15:51:57] | wagnerrp: | it really doesnt get all that much use |
| [15:52:13] | wagnerrp: | since there aren't that many people using mythtv in areas where there is such an iptv provider available |
| [15:52:51] | ujee: | yes, having all the channels on the wire all the time is impractical |
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| [15:54:52] | wagnerrp: | its multicast |
| [15:55:14] | wagnerrp: | and you left |
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| [15:56:35] | wagnerrp: | its multicast, not broadcast |
| [15:56:38] | wagnerrp: | the channels only get streamed to those who have joined the proper multicast grounp |
| [15:56:40] | wagnerrp: | and its all managed by the routers, so there is no significant bandwidth used by the server |
| [15:56:50] | wagnerrp: | the server only sends the one stream once, to everyone |
| [15:57:01] | wagnerrp: | while the routers manage making sure it goes to everyone who wants it |
| [15:58:55] | ujee: | yes. unfortunatelly 3 raw dvbt multiplexes take quite a lot even in that case |
| [15:59:15] | wagnerrp: | channels, not multiplexes |
| [15:59:24] | wagnerrp: | you put each channel on a different multicast group |
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| [15:59:49] | wagnerrp: | and only send those channels to users subscribed to that multicast group |
| [15:59:54] | ujee: | and afaik mythtv requests all channels when starting and keeps them running |
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| [16:00:48] | wagnerrp: | if it does, that's some pretty terrible behavior |
| [16:01:23] | ujee: | maybe if there was a router in between, it would be better |
| [16:02:05] | ujee: | but it's only a switch. my attempts to multicast always ended just like broadcast : |
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| [16:07:08] | wagnerrp: | in your case, its not even a switch is it? youre doing this all on one system over localhost? |
| [16:07:09] | wagnerrp: | s/localhost/loopback/ |
| [16:07:19] | wagnerrp: | you are correct, multicast requires multicast-aware hardware to function |
| [16:07:21] | wagnerrp: | switches or routers that are not aware are either going to treat it as broadcast, sending it everywhere, or just null the data streams entirely |
| [16:09:27] | ujee: | wagnerrp, I choose localhost, because of the issue. I tried a 24port gigabit switch.. |
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| [16:10:14] | ujee: | I might have misconfigured it, of course. it went everywhere |
| [16:10:17] | wagnerrp: | dumb switch or smart switch? |
| [16:10:19] | wagnerrp: | some smart switches may be multicast-aware |
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| [16:10:30] | ujee: | how can I find out? |
| [16:10:43] | ujee: | it's not manageable, that's for sure |
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| [16:18:47] | wagnerrp: | if its not managed ("smart"), it probably is just going to treat all multicast as broadcast |
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| [16:20:46] | ujee: | ah, that explains it... I would need to put both backends to my debian box to handle it. a bit.. but if streaming on localhost takes 75% of one core, I don't want to know what would real streaming do |
| [16:20:48] | ujee: | I don't see the live streams on the 6544 webserver... if I had JWPlayer, I would be able to stream recordings.. (Which is possible with myththweb already) |
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| [16:30:01] | wagnerrp: | ujee: i thought you were actually using getstream to stream to mobile devices |
| [16:30:41] | wagnerrp: | the HLS code is currently intended for mobile devices, operating at mobile resolutions, and bitrates likely to be found on residential internet upload |
| [16:31:20] | wagnerrp: | it needs some tweaking still if it is to be used for local devices with higher capabilities |
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| [16:32:13] | ujee: | wagnerrp, ah, that way. I am currently happy with my configuration, if mythtv worked for all channels and not only same in it... |
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| [16:32:55] | ujee: | unfortunatelly, the slave wouldn't even have power to transcode |
| [16:35:05] | wagnerrp: | im not quite sure where transcoding for HLS is supposed to occur |
| [16:35:11] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you up yet? |
| [16:36:11] | wagnerrp: | i knew i had smolt open for a reason... |
| [16:36:33] | wagnerrp: | some 5000 0.25 users reporting in so far, about 0.5% of them are using the IPTV input |
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| [16:38:02] | dekarl-too: | ujee, what are you actually trying to do? Sounds like you have one tuner for each transport and want to make them available to a bunch of clients in a switched network while at the same time record some programs. Is that correct? |
| [16:38:34] | wagnerrp: | hes using getstream to make his DVB-T tuner available to other computers on the network |
| [16:38:46] | wagnerrp: | and then using the IPTV inputs to allow mythtv to use those streams |
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| [16:39:13] | ujee: | dekarl-too, true.. with a bonus constrain that the master&db shut down for nighttime.. it would be way easier if they didn't have to |
| [16:39:40] | dekarl-too: | sounds good, but has some issues with 0.25 at the moment. And mumudvb might be a bit more optimized the getstream, but that is only heresay |
| [16:39:46] | wagnerrp: | get some low power i3, shove your tuner in there, and leave it up all the time |
| [16:40:00] | wagnerrp: | (as your backend) |
| [16:40:15] | dekarl-too: | wrt the network load you really want an igmp snooping switch |
| [16:40:31] | wagnerrp: | actually, you have to have some computer running somewhere if you intend to have it available to stream |
| [16:40:39] | wagnerrp: | why cant the backend just be there? |
| [16:40:59] | ujee: | it's an arm board, it wouldn't sustain the load |
| [16:41:03] | wagnerrp: | im just not understanding why the backend and database is going down, but your tuner is still accessible |
| [16:41:51] | ujee: | I remember you saing that the sheduler must finish under a second? minute? or something... I doubt that would be met |
| [16:42:59] | dekarl-too: | you could simply move the tuners and getstream over to the master backend then |
| [16:43:31] | wagnerrp: | the general recommendation is about a minute |
| [16:43:57] | wagnerrp: | and its not that the scheduler is directly blocking things |
| [16:44:27] | wagnerrp: | but if the scheduler is eating up mysql for too long, other tasks arent going to be able to get their own queries through in a timely manner, and it becomes disruptive |
| [16:46:27] | ujee: | dekarl-too, that will shut down http streams when the master turns off (also issues withspace constrains, can't move the master yet.. but that might actually solve itself in september) |
| [16:47:45] | dekarl-too: | ujee, but why is the master turning off in the first place? Is it to save power because its a power hungry machine? |
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| [16:47:57] | ujee: | wagnerrp, oh.. ok.. I would still need to get some sort of storage for the temporary setup. the arm thing has only an SD card. |
| [16:48:30] | ujee: | dekarl-too, it's because it's not a dedicated backend until september, where it's user moves to a laptop |
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| [16:58:22] | dekarl-too: | ujee, did you "channel scan" in mythtv-setup? Does your M3U contain the mythtv specific tags? "#EXTINF:0,1 – SF1" 0 being the duration, 1 being the channel number and SF1 being the name of the channel. |
| [16:59:35] | dekarl-too: | I'm using a setup like this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Dekarl/How_to . . . ke_a_Freebox |
| [17:01:15] | ujee: | damaltor, this is my m3u: http://fpaste.org/0DcG/ |
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| [17:03:05] | dekarl-too: | the m3u looks good. |
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| [17:06:57] | dekarl-too: | I see in your log that you run fixes/0.25 which has some known issues with IPTV at the moment. For quick results it might be easiest to try with fixes/0.24 or wait until the channel changing issues are resolved (IIRC thats the last remaining issue) |
| [17:07:01] | ujee: | any clue why am I getting "IPTVChan(7): SetChannelByString(8) Invalid channel" by any chance? |
| [17:07:10] | ujee: | oh |
| [17:08:14] | dekarl-too: | likely because there is no channel "8" in the video source. |
| [17:08:41] | ujee: | that's a name or number? |
| [17:08:55] | dekarl-too: | see https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commits/fixe . . . bs/libmythtv for the latest changes, you need at least https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/0ec7e . . . bs/libmythtv before trying with 0.25 fixes |
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| [17:09:29] | dekarl-too: | 8 should be the channel number (not to be confused with the channel id or the call sign :) |
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| [17:09:43] | ujee: | dekarl-too, unfortunatelly, being on an ARM board, running anything that is not in ubuntu repos is quite hard |
| [17:11:23] | ujee: | hmm.. there is something really weird in the channel setup.. channels are present twice |
| [17:11:52] | dekarl-too: | ujee, mythbackend --version should output the last commit that went into the build, the fix went in yesterday (if I read the log correctly) and should be in last or next nights PPA build |
| [17:12:01] | ujee: | once with the channel number and everything ok, second time with messed up callsign and unassigned source |
| [17:12:16] | ujee: | dekarl-too, ppa does not apply to arm |
| [17:12:45] | ujee: | dekarl-too, it seems I messed up guide import |
| [17:12:48] | dekarl-too: | so you are stuck with 0.25 as it was when the last ubuntu release was cut? |
| [17:13:16] | ujee: | dekarl-too, yes |
| [17:13:28] | ujee: | I could update to version found in quantal, though |
| [17:14:51] | dekarl-too: | sounds like you'll have to stick to 0.24 for now or setup a build environment to build your own packages. (using a crosscompiler and distcc or similar to give the ARM build some CPU power) |
| [17:16:05] | dekarl-too: | quantal is from 10th of April, thats way to old |
| [17:16:31] | ujee: | ubuntu is building their images natively on pandaboard cluster... (this is panda) |
| [17:17:22] | ujee: | dekarl-too, I can't do that easily when I have 0.25 running, can I? |
| [17:17:31] | dekarl-too: | I was thinking of running the build itself native on ARM but letting it farm out only the C++ compiler to a remote host |
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| [17:18:24] | ujee: | oh.. that is too advanced for me I guess |
| [17:18:53] | ujee: | dekarl-too, btw: I once had issue when the master got stuck in tuning – failed loop, making an empty recording every few minutes of so |
| [17:19:31] | ujee: | that was unrelated, but happened on my current problematic configuration... |
| [17:21:26] | dekarl-too: | that does not ring a bell with me. |
| [17:22:31] | ujee: | ok |
| [17:23:38] | ujee: | Ah yes, the messed up callsigns are familiar... and found in the xmltv. all with "Unassigned" source |
| [17:27:56] | dekarl-too: | ujee, no mythtv PPA for ARM is just a configuration issue from mythbuntu folks, is that correct? (I see idle builders for both kinds of ARM) |
| [17:28:20] | dekarl-too: | I'm look here https://launchpad.net/builders/ |
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| [17:41:24] | Oleg_: | hi |
| [17:42:18] | ujee: | dekarl1, the arm builders are only for ubuntu build. there is no virtualization available and they have way more work with cleaning the environment for the next build |
| [17:44:45] | ujee: | dekarl1, actually, there was a typo in my config.. clashing channel numbers for prima cool and prima love |
| [17:48:06] | Twiggy2cents: | I keep getting an error trying to install jwplayer |
| [17:48:16] | Twiggy2cents: | the package fails to install |
| [17:49:08] | Twiggy2cents: | 3rdParty is owned my mythtv and mythtv is running under user mythtv but there is nothing in there |
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| [17:50:11] | Twiggy2cents: | DownloadManager mythdownloadmanager.cpp:1254 (saveFile) Failed to open: '/home/mythtv/.mythtv/tmp/package.zip' |
| [17:50:19] | Twiggy2cents: | I have unzip installed |
| [17:51:26] | Twiggy2cents: | there is no package zip there |
| [17:54:08] | Twiggy2cents: | Ahh permissions of the temp folder. It seems that some of the folders are owned by avahi. Is that bad? Should I own them to user:group mythtv? |
| [17:56:50] | ujee: | dekarl1, actually, my m3u is way more messed up.. the channel numbers are really wrong |
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| [18:22:22] | dekarl: | ujee: ohh, didn't notice the duplicate channel number 8 when I glanced over the m3u |
| [18:23:18] | ujee: | also some channels were swapped |
| [18:23:39] | ujee: | it seems better. only the mux3 updates (channels 9 and 18) are not working well |
| [18:24:02] | dekarl: | ohh, i was thinking they had seperate builders for the releases and ppas... (they have arm builders in the "official ubuntu" and "ppa" category) |
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| [18:33:38] | earthw0rm: | Is the Graphite theme not working with 0.25? |
| [18:34:04] | dekarl: | ujee, irc logs are your friend... it appears that there are ARM PPAs but they are manually handed out (presumably only to Canonical employees) http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/01/07/%23launchpad.txt |
| [18:34:26] | stuartm: | earthw0rm: no, author abandoned it |
| [18:34:32] | dekarl: | that explains why I see builders but there is no option to enable arm for the PPA |
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| [18:39:11] | earthw0rm: | stuartm: Shame, it looks well good |
| [18:39:39] | earthw0rm: | So the ones in the chooser are the only supported ones? |
| [18:40:51] | stuartm: | I believe there are others but their creators have yet to confirm they will properly with 0.25 so they aren't in the official downloader |
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| [18:42:44] | dekarl: | Did anybody notice that when two recordings start at exactly the same time (need to verify if it was the same input) that one is going to become a 0-byte recording? (seen on master last week and took it as a one-off issue, but I'm not so sure now) |
| [18:43:42] | tgm4883: | dekarl, yea only canonical employees are able to build PPA packages for ARM |
| [18:43:52] | tgm4883: | hopefully this will change in the future |
| [18:44:07] | ujee: | even if it changed, I am sure they would dislike one package rebuilding daily |
| [18:44:43] | ujee: | they are limited by their pandaboard cluster, as far as I have heard |
| [18:45:12] | dekarl: | ujee, for limited resources one could limit it to fixes/0.25 which is one commit every now and then |
| [18:48:12] | ujee: | I remember updates arriving on daily basis from the PPA when I used .24 |
| [19:02:55] | ujee: | if my panda wasn't busy with mythtv, maybe they would accept as a private builder for myth ppa.. guesses |
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| [19:08:22] | artus39: | hello all |
| [19:08:59] | artus39: | a very quick question for you |
| [19:09:20] | artus39: | i am running mythbuntu 12.04 |
| [19:09:44] | artus39: | and the shutdown restart does not work |
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| [19:10:40] | artus39: | i am running mythwelcome |
| [19:11:35] | artus39: | how can I set mythwelcome to create logs for debug |
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| [19:46:07] | ElmerFudd: | When I go to http://<mythwebserver>/mythweb/tv I get a php array printed out that seems to be from a "VideoLookupList" class – what's up with that, am I missing some php module? – I apt-getted it in ubuntu 12.04 |
| [19:48:16] | ElmerFudd: | ... or is the correct term, "I apt-got it in ubuntu 12.04" ? |
| [19:49:39] | wagnerrp: | perhaps your php bindings are not installed |
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| [20:04:32] | wagnerrp: | wow... flash player just wiped out my desktop |
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| [20:04:38] | wagnerrp: | bluescreen and all |
| [20:04:46] | wagnerrp: | thats impressive |
| [20:05:28] | at0m: | i love that bsod screensaver :) |
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| [20:07:59] | wagnerrp: | yes, but this wasnt a screen saver |
| [20:08:02] | ElmerFudd: | wagnerrp: php-mythtv is already installed |
| [20:09:10] | wagnerrp: | well now that everything is termianted, may as well do updates... |
| [20:13:30] | ElmerFudd: | no info in the logs, even with display_errors=On in php.ini, and the rest of mythweb works fine, from what I can tell |
| [20:14:48] | ElmerFudd: | silly question – with php-mythtv installed, shouldn't the extension be enabled in /etc/php/conf.d somewhere ? |
| [20:15:32] | wagnerrp: | doesnt need to be |
| [20:15:43] | wagnerrp: | mythweb loads it dynamically out of mythtv's shared folder |
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| [20:17:27] | ElmerFudd: | then perhaps something went wrong when I upgraded from 0.24 to 0.25 |
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| [22:43:19] | Twiggy2cents: | How do I list what my displays are? For exporting. |
| [22:44:06] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [22:45:07] | Twiggy2cents: | Like export DISPLAY 0:0 |
| [22:45:19] | Twiggy2cents: | I forget how to identify which screen is which |
| [22:45:45] | Twiggy2cents: | ohh :0.0 would be correct. |
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| [22:47:39] | wagnerrp: | :0.0 would be the default display, yes |
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| [22:48:17] | Twiggy2cents: | I thought it was, I just had the syntax all screwed up |
| [22:48:26] | Twiggy2cents: | or format or whatever |
| [22:49:41] | justinh: | you can do DISPLAY=:0 program I think, too. without needing to export |
| [22:49:51] | justinh: | e.g. DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend |
| [22:51:40] | ** justinh generally only ever has one display per machine these days. damn kids, depriving me of my computing space ** | |
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| [22:53:27] | Twiggy2cents: | Same here, I just wanted to start mythfrontend on the local display over ssh |
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| [23:19:37] | LedHed: | is it possible to use WMC to record TV shows and then have MythTV pick the recordings up off of a share? |
| [23:20:01] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [23:20:21] | wagnerrp: | recordings must be made by mythtv, using the internal guide data |
| [23:22:27] | LedHed: | what if I were to have the WMC record to a folder inside my MythTV Video path. |
| [23:22:58] | LedHed: | They wouldnt show up as recordings, but would the video's be viewable? |
| [23:23:01] | wagnerrp: | you could have it record to a folder known by the video library and scan it in |
| [23:23:18] | wagnerrp: | but it would have no way of knowing what those actual recordings are, as it has no access to the WMC metadata |
| [23:23:29] | LedHed: | right |
| [23:23:29] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to have WMC record something anyway? |
| [23:23:43] | LedHed: | because I cant record it with mythtv |
| [23:23:47] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
| [23:24:13] | LedHed: | The channels are set as write protected by my cable company. The HDHR can record them but only in WMC. |
| [23:24:19] | wagnerrp: | and if you say copy protection, im going to reply with the fact that anything copy protected coming over the wire will remain copy protected on the disk |
| [23:24:52] | wagnerrp: | anything you can record using an HDHRP in WMC but not MythTV is unusable |
| [23:25:00] | wagnerrp: | as it remains encrypted on the disk |
| [23:25:04] | LedHed: | ok. whats what I wanted to know. So if its flagged as copy protected, the videos wouldn't be playable under Linux |
| [23:25:33] | wagnerrp: | the videos wont be playable under any machine but the WMC system that recorded it |
| [23:25:40] | wagnerrp: | and it must still be connected to the same cablecard tuner |
| [23:25:40] | LedHed: | ok. |
| [23:26:14] | wagnerrp: | that means you cant even take that recording and play it on another WMC machine |
| [23:26:24] | wagnerrp: | and similarly, if you reinstall Windows, those recordings are dead |
| [23:26:37] | wagnerrp: | isnt DRM fun? |
| [23:28:00] | LedHed: | wagnerrp, so If I record a copy protected show, on one WMC in my house, the wmc extenders wouldnt be able to watch the recording? |
| [23:28:41] | wagnerrp: | WMC extenders connected to the machine that recorded it are able to access those recordings |
| [23:29:38] | LedHed: | oh. ok. thats not so bad |
| [23:30:00] | wagnerrp: | so long as that WMC machine has not been reinstalled, the cablecard tuner that it was recorded with is still connected to the system, the cablecard installed to that tuner still exists, the cable company authorizes the playback, the stars align, and you have sacrificed your quota of goats that month |
| [23:30:08] | LedHed: | can the windows version of the myth frontend, call WMC as an external player? |
| [23:30:52] | wagnerrp: | AIUI, other WMC machines cannot access encrypted recordings in that manner |
| [23:31:03] | wagnerrp: | only the source machine, and extenders |
| [23:31:34] | wagnerrp: | youre on comcast, everything but the premiums should be copy-freely |
| [23:31:49] | wagnerrp: | and the premiums should be copy-never, meaning you cant record them anyway |
| [23:32:18] | LedHed: | I'm on Charter |
| [23:32:58] | LedHed: | for what ever reason, Disney, Comedy Central, and E! are all copy protected |
| [23:33:01] | wagnerrp: | says comcast business in your signon |
| [23:33:11] | LedHed: | I'm at work. ;) |
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| [23:34:02] | wagnerrp: | work is far enough away you have a different cable provider? |
| [23:37:44] | LedHed: | yes |
| [23:37:50] | LedHed: | only about 17 miles |
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| [23:50:32] | wagnerrp: | best advice? get 100 of your closest tivo-owning friends to start complaining to charter about how they cant use tivo-to-go |
| [23:50:38] | wagnerrp: | or whatever that thing is called |
| [23:56:06] | LedHed: | ya. they arent likely to do jack. Thanks for info wagnerrp |
| [23:57:27] | wagnerrp: | you can always use an HDPVR and cable box |
| [23:59:26] | LedHed: | if I had a HDPVR |
| [23:59:28] | LedHed: | ;) |
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