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| [00:14:22] | bhearsmu: | hi there, i've got a mythbuntu box that i upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04. i use it for watching existing videos on my system. after the upgrade, i'm unable to find anywhere in the frontend that lets me do that — is that expected? did it move somewhere else? I don't have a "Video Gallery" or "Video Settings" anywhere in my frontend anymore. |
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| [00:28:46] | kmentat: | Evening. It's been quite a number of years since I last used MythTV, but is it possible to have MythTV transcode recordings after they're made? |
| [00:28:58] | kmentat: | To replace the originals, I mean. |
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| [00:45:29] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: how do i fix the url error in mythvidexport again? |
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| [00:48:53] | sphery: | bhearsmu: in 0.25, Video Library became part of core MythTV--meaning it's no longer a plugin... I think it's under Media Library. If you don't see it there, something is pretty broken on your system--possibly you're using an old, incompatible theme and need to update to current version using the Theme Chooser (or switch to another one if yours is a third-party theme that hasn't been updated) |
| [00:49:18] | sphery: | kmentat: you can transcode and have the recording replaced, but you probably don't want to... |
| [00:49:28] | bhearsmu: | yeah, i saw the note about MythVideo being integrated — i already tried switching themes to no avail :( |
| [00:49:35] | bhearsmu: | i'm using Arcsight, fwiw |
| [00:50:04] | sphery: | kmentat: about the only reason to transcode is to change format to allow a restricted device to play back the recording--not really to save space |
| [00:50:35] | bhearsmu: | it seems like there's something really wonky going on, because even my remote can't connect to the frontend right – nothing listening on 6546 |
| [00:50:47] | sphery: | kmentat: if you /do/ need to transcode for other devices, you almost definitely can't use mythtranscode to do it, so you'll use a different transcoding app |
| [00:51:31] | sphery: | kmentat: and, rather than replacing the original recording, you'd probably be better off moving transcoded videos to Video Library, where you can give them useful names and organize them as you like |
| [00:51:56] | kmentat: | sphery, my goal is to get it to play on other devices. At least temporarily. |
| [00:51:58] | sphery: | bhearsmu: sounds like you changed your hostname or something, and lost all your settings |
| [00:52:20] | bhearsmu: | sphery: huh, i don't think i did.... |
| [00:52:30] | bhearsmu: | i've already tried re-running mythtv-setup, though, and that didn't help anything |
| [00:52:35] | kmentat: | I'm working on doing a budget build Myth system, which I'll improve as I get funds in the future. To start with it'll just be a back-end, and hopefully streaming to something like an Xbox using uPnP or DLNA for the time being. |
| [00:52:45] | sphery: | bhearsmu: settings for that stuff are in frontend settings |
| [00:52:52] | bhearsmu: | ah |
| [00:52:54] | sphery: | bhearsmu: do you know what host name you used before? |
| [00:53:01] | sphery: | your logs will show what name it's using now |
| [00:53:01] | bhearsmu: | yeah, it's been "zim" since i built the machine |
| [00:53:13] | sphery: | make sure it's still /exactly/ that--not zim.domain or whatever |
| [00:53:27] | bhearsmu: | yeah, that's what 'hostname' returns |
| [00:53:34] | bhearsmu: | even the IP address hasn't changed |
| [00:53:45] | kmentat: | Eventually I'd want to get a proper front-end built, but right now it's just not an option. |
| [00:54:11] | bhearsmu: | is there way i can sort of reset the entire frontend? i don't really mind reconfiguring it from scratch, as long as it works :) |
| [00:54:31] | sphery: | a useful/reasonable system for a backend could become a wonderful frontend by simply ensuring you have an nvidia video card with vdpau support |
| [00:54:49] | sphery: | i.e. you'll probably want a dual-core ~ 2.x GHz system for a backend |
| [00:55:16] | sphery: | using a real processor (meaning Athlon II or Core 2 or Core i3 or i5 or whatever) versus a toy (Atom) |
| [00:55:34] | kmentat: | sphery, true, but it just isn't feasible right now to put a PC in the family's living room, in addition to setting up my antenna there (where I get poorer recetion) |
| [00:55:42] | sphery: | and with a vdpau-compatible video card (like the GT210 or GT220 or GT430 or ...), you'd have a great frontend |
| [00:56:23] | sphery: | I put my boxes in another room (allows them to be big, ugly, and loud as they like) and ran cables to the TV/speakers/remote receiver |
| [00:56:42] | kmentat: | They're on opposite ends of the house. |
| [00:57:07] | kmentat: | Once I move out, I plan to use it as a combined front and back end, but that isn't quite an acceptable option right at this moment. |
| [00:57:09] | sphery: | Sharky112065: it may be worth a try, but I wouldn't expect too much from it... GNU/Linux is the primary platform and has the best support |
| [00:58:56] | sphery: | kmentat: well, it's possible, but will be a lot of compromises (not to mention wasted electricity usage, between the work required to transcode and the not-too-power-efficient xbox) |
| [00:59:24] | sphery: | kmentat: it may mean you'll have to wait hours after a 1hr show before watching it... and your system may constantly run at max trying to transcode recordings |
| [01:00:28] | kmentat: | sphery, yeah, know it's less than ideal. The problem is we have so many things hooked up to the TV already it's pretty confusing for my parents as it is, and this being a 1901 catalog house, running wires everywhere isn't the easiest thing (without making a total mess) |
| [01:00:50] | kmentat: | We don't record or watch much, but I do realize it's far from ideal. |
| [01:01:00] | sphery: | kmentat: but you'd /have/ to move the transcoded recordings to Video Library--can't leave them in recordings--because we don't support showing XBox 360 recordings because XBox 360 doesn't support our recording formats (NUV container with MPEG-4 ASP or RTJPEG, or MPEG-TS or MPEG-PS with MPEG-2 or H.264) |
| [01:01:21] | sphery: | at least, the only way it will play those formats is if WMP "blesses" them for use on XBox |
| [01:01:52] | bhearsmu: | sphery: is there a theme that you know works with myth 0.25 that i could try? |
| [01:02:04] | sphery: | bhearsmu: in Theme Chooser, what version of Arclight do you see? |
| [01:02:06] | kmentat: | Well, here's the theory: the Xbox (or other front-end, like a Roku or Boxee Box) would go out to the backend using uPnP or DLNA, not the MS-DVR protocol. |
| [01:02:18] | bhearsmu: | sphery: 25.12 |
| [01:02:19] | kmentat: | It's the same way I'm slinging stuff out of Plex right now. |
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| [01:02:27] | sphery: | bhearsmu: that should support Video Library |
| [01:02:34] | bhearsmu: | =\ |
| [01:02:38] | bhearsmu: | something is seriously buggered up then |
| [01:03:01] | bhearsmu: | i think i'm just going to reinstall the OS, who knows what happened during the upgrade |
| [01:03:06] | sphery: | kmentat: XBox 360 restricts playback of content from UPnP players--and needs WMP blessing for some formats |
| [01:03:12] | bhearsmu: | thanks for your time sphery |
| [01:03:14] | sphery: | er, from UPnP servers |
| [01:03:27] | sphery: | bhearsmu: make sure you get a good database backup |
| [01:03:44] | bhearsmu: | i don't really care about the DB; all i have is local video metadata |
| [01:03:44] | sphery: | bhearsmu: you could take the one from before the upgrade or make a new one |
| [01:03:46] | tekdoc: | anyone here using a HD-PVR? |
| [01:04:00] | bhearsmu: | up here in Canada there's no way to use tuners =( |
| [01:04:01] | sphery: | bhearsmu: ah, if that's the case, then, yeah, making a new DB could be better... |
| [01:04:17] | kmentat: | sphery, The Xbox will play nice with any uPnP server, so long as it's serving up H.264. Hence why I asked about the transcoding. |
| [01:04:38] | sphery: | kmentat: yes, but our UPnP server won't serve recordings.... |
| [01:04:55] | sphery: | kmentat: we only server Video Library content to XBox 360 because it doesn't support our recording formats |
| [01:05:05] | sphery: | kmentat: so, you have to move the recordings--can't replace them |
| [01:05:13] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: I am running .25-128-ga9edae2 I am not sure if that would have the updates you pushed |
| [01:05:15] | sphery: | but that's the better solution, anyway |
| [01:05:18] | tekdoc: | i'm having a problem where my HD-PVR stops recording around the same spot in a specific show that airs daily |
| [01:05:34] | kmentat: | sphery, ahh, then this isn't exactly the solution I'm looking for. Does the new Hauppauge Media MVP work with MythTV? |
| [01:05:55] | sphery: | not sure |
| [01:06:11] | sphery: | but moving content to the Video Library is A Good Thing |
| [01:06:24] | sphery: | anything that's not a direct recording /should/ go to Video Library |
| [01:06:40] | sphery: | as well as any content you plan to archive long term |
| [01:06:57] | kmentat: | I don't plan to archive "Meet the Press" for long term. |
| [01:06:58] | sphery: | it's a much better interface for er, Libraries of Video |
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| [01:07:47] | sphery: | true, but you probably want to be able to give the file a good name and be able to organize things how you like (and Video Library allows that) |
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| [01:08:26] | kmentat: | But, uPnP aside, why not just keep it in recordings? Let the recording rules delete it when a new episode comes on (and I haven't watched it)? |
| [01:08:27] | sphery: | and, another benefit of doing so would be that you could use a real UPnP server, instead of the one that's built into mythbackend |
| [01:08:30] | sphery: | that has serious issues |
| [01:08:53] | kmentat: | I mean, isn't that they way Myth is *supposed* to work? |
| [01:08:56] | sphery: | well, if you don't mess with the original, that would be ideal :) |
| [01:08:58] | kmentat: | Or that's how it did when I used MythTV. |
| [01:09:05] | kmentat: | Right, assuming I don't mess with anything. |
| [01:09:08] | sphery: | it's just that recordings are meant to be recorded video |
| [01:09:21] | sphery: | anyway, you can try it |
| [01:09:28] | sphery: | just probably won't work right--especially with the 360 |
| [01:09:34] | kmentat: | Well, yeah. |
| [01:12:29] | sphery: | I suppose my argument for Video Library kind of falls apart when you throw out the assumption that "anything worth transcoding is something you plan to keep" |
| [01:16:19] | waxhead: | johnsu01, seems like the drive update has resovled my problem with the OS freezing up when the TV got turned off. |
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| [01:28:04] | jpabq: | tekdoc, If I had to make a wild guess, the show in question has some sort of audio glitch. The HD-PVR does not like it when the audio (especially on the S/PDIF input) gets out of sync. If you are using S/PDIF, try the RCA inputs and see if the problem goes away. If that is not it, than I have no idea. |
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| [01:34:00] | tekdoc: | jpabq – that's what I was thinking, I will give the RCA outputs a try and see if that helps |
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| [01:35:13] | tekdoc: | jpabq – err..inputs |
| [01:35:16] | skd5aner: | pretty sure the "Don't Record" button isn't working in mythweb's upcoming recordings screen |
| [01:35:21] | skd5aner: | fyi |
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| [01:55:23] | dmfrey: | anyone using a pulse-eight CEC usb hdmi adapter? |
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| [02:02:43] | Guierrmo: | seems like anytime I have more than one recording running the backend process becomes unresponsive. Using HDHR and HD Prime. |
| [02:03:47] | Guierrmo: | this is on MythTV Version : v0.25-94-gec51a97-dirty |
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| [02:05:53] | Guierrmo: | and I see lots of MythSocket(9a8b688:114): writeStringList: Error, No data written on writeBlock (867 errors) starts with: 82 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]UPDATE_FILE_SIZE 1211 2012-05–30... |
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| [03:16:58] | Guierrmo: | thought I was on the latest fixes, apparently not, just updated to MythTV Version : v0.25-133-g399da0a-dirty |
| [03:21:01] | Guierrmo: | manually recording 5 shows, 2x HDHR, 3x HDPrime. No problems, I guess I'll see what happens when the schedules records |
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| [03:28:51] | Guierrmo: | worked great for 11 minutes, now back to MythSocket(8638310:148): writeStringList: Error, No data written on writeBlock (851 errors) |
| [03:29:26] | Guierrmo: | starts with: 82 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]UPDATE_FILE_SIZE 1230 2012-05–30... |
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| [04:02:29] | sphery: | skd5aner: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10650 |
| [04:07:24] | Guierrmo: | Seems I need to turn off real-time commercial flagging again. |
| [04:18:14] | sphery: | Guierrmo: what type of backend? |
| [04:18:22] | sphery: | or is this multiple? |
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| [05:13:33] | cervera: | Hi, I've just updated my system (Running mythbuntu, using gnome unity) and now when I play any media from the mythfrontend I get colors mixed up |
| [05:14:05] | cervera: | only the internal player, any media – recorded or existing avis |
| [05:14:23] | cervera: | Any ideas? |
| [05:15:57] | wagnerrp: | what graphics card? |
| [05:17:44] | cervera: | hmm.. don't remember, any command to quickly deretmine? |
| [05:18:36] | sphery: | update to current mythtv 0.25-fixes |
| [05:18:47] | sphery: | you're likely running an early/release version of 0.25 |
| [05:19:26] | sphery: | follow instructions at http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos (under "Install the Mythbuntu-repos package") |
| [05:20:57] | cervera: | that was my thought, I did have an option to update the mythtv repo |
| [05:21:14] | cervera: | and checked it |
| [05:21:32] | tgm4883: | did you actually do the upgrade after that? |
| [05:21:33] | sphery: | mythfrontend --version will tell you which revision you have |
| [05:21:34] | cervera: | just a sec, i'll check that link |
| [05:22:02] | sphery: | and for video card, you can usually find it in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or similar |
| [05:22:21] | sphery: | but I'm guessing you have either an Intel or an AMD (based on your symptom) and that you're using 0.25 release |
| [05:22:33] | sphery: | where the fix for that issue went in shortly after release |
| [05:24:13] | sphery: | guess I should have said: follow instructions at http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos (*starting with* "Install the Mythbuntu-repos package", and continuing through "Perform Updates") |
| [05:24:17] | sphery: | :) |
| [05:24:35] | cervera: | Graphics is radeon |
| [05:24:39] | tgm4883: | sphery, well that doesn't apply anymore. the package is installed by default :) |
| [05:24:45] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [05:24:45] | tgm4883: | but they still need to activate the repo |
| [05:24:56] | sphery: | hehe, ok |
| [05:25:18] | sphery: | I should really do an install to one of my extra partitions just to play with it |
| [05:25:54] | sphery: | (just been afraid that it would mess with some of the important partitions due to my not knowing the installer and telling it to do the wrong thing) |
| [05:28:43] | cervera: | tgm4883: first you were right, didn't check for updates |
| [05:29:09] | cervera: | lets see if the update fixes it |
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| [05:30:37] | cervera: | and – lets see if this will solve my 2nd problem – my grabber for xmltv – tv_grab_il is "kaput" |
| [05:32:40] | dekarl: | sphery: was asleep at 1am ;) running optimize_mythdb.pl cleaned out 9/10 entries |
| [05:34:09] | sphery: | dekarl: where were you getting the sizes for the table? the 30GB or whatever? |
| [05:34:47] | dekarl: | from phpmyadmin |
| [05:35:18] | sphery: | and the file on disk? I'm sure it couldn't have been 30GB |
| [05:35:34] | sphery: | the /srv/mysql/mythconverg/logging.* files... |
| [05:35:45] | dekarl: | after cleaning my free space has increased by about 30GB |
| [05:35:46] | sphery: | (or whereever your system puts them) |
| [05:36:14] | ** dekarl is guilty of putting the db and recordings on one disk ** | |
| [05:36:43] | dekarl: | free space is down to "keep xx GB free before autodelete" again |
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| [05:37:48] | sphery: | dekarl: what do you get from: show table status like 'logging'\G |
| [05:37:55] | dekarl: | sphery: the interesting bit is that linelength is still around 180–190 but linesize is down to 240 bytes |
| [05:39:19] | cervera: | sphery tgm4883 and wagnerrp thanks! graphics solved. |
| [05:39:26] | sphery: | cervera: enjoy |
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| [05:39:52] | cervera: | but now theres a second problem to be solved – my grabber is dead |
| [05:39:54] | dekarl: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1015912/ |
| [05:40:07] | cervera: | although in the nightly status it's marked as okay |
| [05:40:10] | ** sphery thinks you didn't do \G ** | |
| [05:40:28] | dekarl: | oh, phpmyadmin complained about it... |
| [05:40:48] | dekarl: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1015915/ |
| [05:40:49] | sphery: | ok, how about: select * from housekeeping; |
| [05:41:07] | cervera: | this is what mythfilldatabase returns: http://pastebin.com/dqbmPXsA |
| [05:41:07] | sphery: | yeah, the ; worked... just harder to read for a single row |
| [05:41:28] | dekarl: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1015916/ |
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| [05:41:52] | sphery: | | LogClean | 2012-05–30 21:57:28 | |
| [05:41:59] | sphery: | seems to indicate it's cleaning your logging table |
| [05:42:59] | dekarl: | hmm, is there a timeout or something for the logclean? And what would happen if its reached? |
| [05:43:32] | sphery: | which should be keepign a max of 140k rows, which seems about right based on your 177k current (and the fact that it's been a while since last clean) |
| [05:43:52] | dekarl: | I'm thinking this way: perl bindings don't find db anymore => optimize_mythdb doenst optimize => logging table gets big and slow => LogClean gets slow |
| [05:43:57] | sphery: | "it's cleaning" meaning "it has been" |
| [05:44:02] | sphery: | not that it's still in the process |
| [05:44:13] | sphery: | perl bindings are updated as of today |
| [05:44:36] | sphery: | optimize_mythdb.pl should never be required to reclaim space in myisam tables |
| [05:44:38] | dekarl: | now that I locally fixed the bindings and manually ran the optimize script its running in time again |
| [05:45:06] | sphery: | it should only be required if you convert tables to innodb (at which point, you really need to become a dba) |
| [05:48:24] | sphery: | dekarl: you were saying you had an average row length of 300kB? |
| [05:49:25] | wagnerrp: | how? isnt description only 16k characters? |
| [05:49:28] | sphery: | anyway, now it's showing 33MB for the table and 9MB for the index |
| [05:49:45] | sphery: | I'm not sure where he got that value from... |
| [05:49:51] | sphery: | 20120527 08:22:33< dekarl> average row length is 158, but average row size is 30k... strange |
| [05:50:03] | dekarl: | I would have to lookup the history, but the size/storage consumption it was quite large compared to the row length/characters which made me wonder if its something similar to the temporary sorting tables being huge |
| [05:50:04] | sphery: | might be phpmyadmin smoking something strong |
| [05:50:17] | sphery: | 20120527 08:20:21< dekarl> Beirdo, is mythconverg.logging supposed to be 32gb? (24gb of that in deleted rows) (I have added channel,record,siparser) |
| [05:51:00] | Blaksmith: | on the front end, is there an easy way of seeing which card recorded a show? |
| [05:51:03] | sphery: | yeah, 32gb is ludicrous, 24gb of deleted should never happen with myisam (it should reuse that space after delete), and a normal table size should be 30MB or less |
| [05:51:07] | dekarl: | what would happen if I run with -v all for the full interval between two runs of LogClean? |
| [05:51:39] | sphery: | you'd get lots of stuff for a day, then it would delete, then it would reuse space |
| [05:51:58] | sphery: | I still don't think you could get 32gb of logs in a day, though |
| [05:52:06] | Blaksmith: | or would I have to open the backend and look at the logs hehe |
| [05:52:09] | wagnerrp: | Blaksmith: that information is only stored in the text logs |
| [05:52:26] | dekarl: | would it release the now unused space or would the size stay on maximum it ever needed? |
| [05:52:28] | Blaksmith: | ok, thanks.. that's what I thought .. I think I have a card going bd |
| [05:52:30] | wagnerrp: | you *could* look at the log viewer in the system information section |
| [05:53:37] | wagnerrp: | Blaksmith: this will parse out the necessary data from the database logs, so it can be run anywhere with database access.... |
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| [05:53:51] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/wagnerrp/mythtv-scripts/bl . . . _recorder.py |
| [05:54:18] | Blaksmith: | not seeing it with the theme I have .. I noticed some themes don't have everything |
| [05:54:24] | Blaksmith: | I'll just look in the backend logs |
| [05:54:53] | dekarl: | hmm, 100 million lines with 300 bytes on average in 24 hours would be 1157 lines per second. could be CRC errors on ECM/EMM from the EIT scanner. but seems still a bit high. |
| [05:55:14] | wagnerrp: | in the databse? |
| [05:55:21] | wagnerrp: | i dont think the logger will actually do that |
| [05:55:29] | dekarl: | (100 million is a guess from 30gb of logs with 300 bytes each) |
| [05:55:32] | wagnerrp: | it has a rate limiter intended to prevent that |
| [05:55:37] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: aye in the database ;) |
| [05:55:53] | wagnerrp: | too many lines get queued up, it stops database logging until the load drops |
| [05:56:28] | sphery: | cool |
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| [05:57:42] | wagnerrp: | seems --text doesnt actually work properly.... |
| [05:57:56] | sphery: | --text? |
| [05:58:01] | dekarl: | sphery: If it happens again I'll not run optimize_mythdb.pl and we can take a closer look. I think whatever triggered it got flushed out already |
| [05:58:20] | wagnerrp: | versus --html (default) |
| [05:58:30] | wagnerrp: | since its a status information script |
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| [05:59:28] | sphery: | dekarl: yeah, I had thought that the housekeeper wasn't running your log cleanup (due to the same bug that causing it to not run your (not-too-important) DBCleanup) |
| [05:59:58] | sphery: | but since it was running log cleanup, I have no idea what happened |
| [06:00:22] | sphery: | if you had innodb files, the "grows and never shrinks, regardless of deletes" would make sense |
| [06:00:31] | sphery: | but since you have myisam... |
| [06:01:11] | dekarl: | I should really come up with a "check-my-mythtv" perl script... I need to write one for all the DVB channel setup stuff that can go wrong anyway... might as well test for "has the housekeeper done its work", too |
| [06:01:24] | sphery: | (and don't worry about the no dbcleanup--it hasn't been running for 2 1/2 years for you and, really, shouldn't be required) |
| [06:01:48] | sphery: | don't test for that until I fix the housekeeper |
| [06:02:02] | sphery: | at least not if distributing the script |
| [06:02:12] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you around? |
| [06:02:22] | dekarl: | sure, focus will be on DVB stuff first... |
| [06:02:23] | sphery: | especially since people would freak out if they saw, "It's not running DBCleanup" |
| [06:02:31] | sphery: | since they would think that's important |
| [06:02:59] | dekarl: | more likely to test for "you have InnoDB where we did not set it, *you lose support*" ^^ |
| [06:03:01] | sphery: | when all it does is close idle connections to mysql |
| [06:03:58] | sphery: | yeah, I'm sure that everyone who has changed their schema to use innodb is a proper dba who's doing the required maintenance, now, so no worries there... ;) |
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| [06:04:40] | sphery: | I really need to finish the log viewer, though |
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| [06:05:14] | Blaksmith: | wagnerrp, how is that python script supposed to be invoked? getting errors doing it command line |
| [06:05:18] | dekarl: | of course! Just like our well trained DBs never let the archive partitions fill up every now and then so one of our database shuts itself off at the weekend... :p |
| [06:05:45] | map7: | In the new mythtv 0.25 is 3D support only for TV, or can it be used for 3D movies on my hard drive? (side-by-side style) |
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| [06:06:23] | wagnerrp: | Blaksmith: could i see the exception? |
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| [06:07:04] | wagnerrp: | you have 3D movies? |
| [06:07:14] | map7: | yes |
| [06:07:15] | wagnerrp: | what voxel resolution? |
| [06:07:43] | Blaksmith: | http://pastebin.com/Hh3K9BUc .. |
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| [06:08:37] | wagnerrp: | failed to connect to the database... seems pretty straight forward |
| [06:08:54] | wagnerrp: | do you have a config.xml configured for that user account on that machine? |
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| [06:10:05] | Blaksmith: | watching an episode on my frontend (different machine) while trying to issue that command on the backend, and that's what I get.. and the login info is proper.. so, mysql is running, system is stable |
| [06:11:09] | wagnerrp: | but is there a file in ~/.mythtv/config.xml under the user account you ran the command as |
| [06:11:48] | Blaksmith: | yes |
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| [06:12:18] | Blaksmith: | and the login info looks correct |
| [06:12:23] | map7: | wagnerrp, i don't know what resolution it is but it doesn't even show the option whilst playing the movie |
| [06:13:08] | map7: | Is the 3d options suppose to show up in the video menu whilst playing a video from the 'watch videos' section? |
| [06:13:16] | wagnerrp: | map7: i think you missed the joke |
| [06:13:23] | Blaksmith: | ok.. think I got it .. ip vs localhost issue.. it wanted to be localhost |
| [06:13:36] | wagnerrp: | i said voxels, not pixels |
| [06:14:13] | wagnerrp: | voxels being volumetric pixels, stacked in the z-axis, for displaying 3D information |
| [06:14:50] | wagnerrp: | where as we only have one 2D image, or two 2D images |
| [06:15:17] | wagnerrp: | you need hundreds of 2D images to make "proper" 3D |
| [06:16:51] | map7: | yeah ok, sorry been working on an LTSP server trying to get mythtv working on fat-clients, I think I need sleep. |
| [06:18:09] | Blaksmith: | thanks wagnerrp just what I was looking for |
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| [06:18:28] | wagnerrp: | theres an older perl script that works on the text logs directly |
| [06:18:39] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know if it works on the new logging format in 0.25 |
| [06:22:21] | sphery: | probably not |
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| [06:22:58] | Blaksmith: | blah .. bad news about the results though ... I think the card is going out ... unless it is a driver issue... was looking to see if was the same card doing it every time, and there is no consistency. can record one show on a channel just fine, same channel, next show, it ends up with like 3 windows. top 3/4 of the screen is interlaced, and the 2 bottom smaller ones kinda wiggle during playback, but the image does not chang |
| [06:22:58] | Blaksmith: | e. Audio is just fine though |
| [06:23:55] | Blaksmith: | I have 2 analog cards in there, that's why I was looking to see which card, if one did it every time etc.. |
| [06:24:14] | Blaksmith: | well, 1 digital with analog, and 1 analog |
| [06:25:22] | ** sphery goes to bed, knowing full well he'll have e-mails waiting in the morning telling him how he's bullying a poor user after that latest post ** | |
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| [06:28:24] | dekarl: | we really need transactional DDA for rolling back half updates, e.g. SQLite ^^ |
| [06:28:51] | dekarl: | s/DDA/DDL/ |
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| [06:29:43] | wagnerrp: | or we just embed the mysql server in the backend |
| [06:29:48] | wagnerrp: | and when a schema update failes |
| [06:29:52] | wagnerrp: | dump and reload the whole thing |
| [06:31:36] | dekarl: | that would be fine, too. But sounds a bit like NIH ;) |
| [06:32:15] | wagnerrp: | well, it just means we dont have to worry about users faffing about in the database when we do things |
| [06:34:20] | wagnerrp: | you know, i quite like that word |
| [06:35:35] | dekarl: | ohh "doing things in a disorganized way and not achieving very much; wasting time" sounds good |
| [06:35:56] | dekarl: | you got a word for that, thats nice |
| [06:36:47] | wagnerrp: | brits keep adding pointless 'u's to things, but they got that word right... :P |
| [06:37:12] | dekarl: | adding another 'u' would be faffing about with such a nice word |
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| [16:45:40] | wagnerrp: | !seen skd5aner |
| [16:45:41] | MythLogBot: | skd5aner was last seen 2 hours 43 minutes 42 seconds ago |
| [16:46:03] | peque2: | hey – Just created a fresh install of my MBE – with a clean DB. After scanning channels etc – I've got it all up running – unless, on my little fitpc3, Which have runned really Perfekt, untill this clean install of MBE – afterwards I'm getting this error when trying to se LiveTV -which works on other frontends. http://pastebin.com/ayRMFuFe |
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| [16:49:52] | dekarl-: | wagnerrp: lets see if someone wants to fund mythtv development to get super-duper-multirec :) |
| [16:50:42] | dekarl-: | nvm, my reply is sitting in the moderation queue again... |
| [16:51:10] | wagnerrp: | it would be great to see someone toss a few $K towards a couple weeks of some dev's time to get proper simultaneous recording written |
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| [16:51:20] | wagnerrp: | virtual tuners was always somewhat hackish |
| [16:52:41] | dekarl-: | aye, and I'd much prefer them to sink a few bucks into tuners then more support requests popping up for the few of you who do most of the user support... |
| [16:53:03] | dekarl-: | or do something crazy like follow a three step howto to up that limit |
| [16:53:15] | wagnerrp: | is this moderation on the mailing list? or mythtvtalk? |
| [16:53:24] | dekarl-: | mythtvtalk |
| [16:53:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the absurd part |
| [16:53:43] | dekarl-: | my first post took some days... the discussion moved on in that time. very frustrating |
| [16:53:44] | wagnerrp: | you change one god damned line in the source, and recompile |
| [16:54:08] | wagnerrp: | its something a kindergartner could perform |
| [16:54:47] | wagnerrp: | but no, we're being belligerent towards the general user |
| [16:55:00] | dekarl-: | I don't understand why no one pops up and sets up a PPA of "0.25-fixes, some patches and raised limits" and collects all the fame ^^ |
| [16:55:00] | wagnerrp: | because clearly with what he is trying to do, he falls under the category of "general user" |
| [16:55:35] | wagnerrp: | do you use DVB-S2 for anything? |
| [16:56:07] | wagnerrp: | from looking around, it seems like average 1080p H264 bitrate is ~10Mbps |
| [16:56:26] | dekarl-: | no, just DVB-T at the moment (when I connect cable I lose receiption of terrestrial since my neighbour moved out, didnt have time to look into that, yet) |
| [16:56:31] | wagnerrp: | which means, you're not going to be pumping 12 channels down a single transponder |
| [16:56:44] | wagnerrp: | and similarly, hes not going to be recording 12 channels per tuner anyway |
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| [17:25:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so that "high quality transcode" script is actually changing file name and putting it back in recordings, right? |
| [17:32:11] | wagnerrp: | close |
| [17:32:19] | wagnerrp: | making a new file and a new recording, along side the old |
| [17:32:36] | wagnerrp: | but yes, it is inserting non-standard filenames into the recorded table |
| [17:33:36] | wagnerrp: | i didnt notice that when i made the perl bindings comment about it earlier in the year |
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| [17:44:44] | sphery: | ugghhh |
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| [17:55:42] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [17:56:55] | sphery: | just the whole inserting new user-named files into recorded, versus using the proper place for user-named/user-organized/user-managed video, the Video Library |
| [17:57:07] | wagnerrp: | ah |
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| [18:04:26] | peque2: | If you Want MythTV – to get music information albout Album etc – how do I do this? |
| [18:04:26] | peque2: | I've spend 3 dys now using Windows Medieplayer to update Music Info – And replace all music and scanned after music – but ponly thos numbers whhich aren't been worked through WMP caan be seen ? What do I wrong - |
| [18:04:26] | peque2: | The setting are not ignoring ID3 – allow metatag – and UTF-8 (since I live in DK) |
| [18:04:26] | peque2: | My Storage Location are /storage/music – and have allso ARTIST/ALBUM/TITLE in setuo |
| [18:05:41] | peque2: | And all music are MP3 |
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| [18:44:41] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: is there a way to check which version of .25-fixes would include your artwork fixes? |
| [18:45:14] | Shadow__X: | or more directly how do i check |
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| [18:47:24] | wagnerrp: | if its trying to export the artwork, its too old |
| [18:49:06] | Shadow__X: | gotcha, thanks |
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| [19:14:05] | Shadow__X: | this is the error I am getting on a version that was built today http://pastebin.com/FE1QkfYC |
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| [19:26:45] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i know i was going to ask something about the behavior of MythSystem, but i cant recall what it was |
| [19:27:29] | wagnerrp: | on a side note, theres an article on engadget where they (poorly) explain how to build an HTPC |
| [19:27:37] | wagnerrp: | s/side/completely unrelated/ |
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| [19:28:25] | wagnerrp: | anyway, people in the comments saying they gave too much CPU, followed up by other people in the comments saying you need it for Hi10P content |
| [19:28:51] | wagnerrp: | one guy even claiming "half of my movie collection is in hi10p now, and the format is spreading even more" |
| [19:29:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:29:14] | wagnerrp: | now first... where the hell do you even get 30-bit video, besides your own video camera |
| [19:29:22] | Beirdo: | codecs |
| [19:29:31] | wagnerrp: | i mean bluray and dvb are both standard High profile, menaing 24-bit |
| [19:29:35] | Beirdo: | I'm sure there's some pirating tool to recode |
| [19:29:54] | wagnerrp: | yes, apparently anime groups are recompressing to 30bit when they encode their stuff |
| [19:30:01] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [19:30:04] | wagnerrp: | so the follow up... why??????????????? |
| [19:30:16] | wagnerrp: | they claim it drastically reduces file sizes |
| [19:30:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I set up a video camera to record off my TV screen so that I get nice 30-bit content |
| [19:30:21] | wagnerrp: | now hold on a tick |
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| [19:30:49] | Beirdo: | it allows for better dithering, which in turn makes it more compressible |
| [19:30:49] | wagnerrp: | you start with 24-bit color, you upsample it to 30-bit color, interpolating to add information that isnt there |
| [19:30:55] | Beirdo: | or at least so I've read |
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| [19:30:58] | wagnerrp: | and you somehow end up with less data total? |
| [19:31:12] | Beirdo: | sounds crazy, doesn't it? |
| [19:31:16] | sphery: | more compressible doesn't mean less data |
| [19:31:50] | wagnerrp: | it also simply doesnt add up |
| [19:31:57] | Beirdo: | man, this titanium leatherman has some heft |
| [19:32:17] | wagnerrp: | it sounds like it would only be more compressible only due to some quirky behavior of one particular encoder |
| [19:32:27] | Shadow__X: | reading engadgets comments are a quick way to get confused/upset/angry |
| [19:32:53] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: it confused me too, but apparently it "works" :) |
| [19:33:23] | wagnerrp: | well thats why i poked you, i figured you would have some previous knowledge on the topic |
| [19:33:25] | sphery: | anyway, fwiw, I highly recommend setting up a 30bit camera to record all the content you play back on your TV so that you can convert it to 30bit... the picture quality is so much better |
| [19:34:15] | Beirdo: | I did look into it a bit, but ended up with the same conclusions as you basically... It doesn't seem to add up |
| [19:34:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: seems this is a nice pirate's guide to hi10p: http://ryuumaru-fansubs.com/hi10p-faq-revision-0/ |
| [19:34:55] | Beirdo: | sphery: you are being silly as always :) |
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| [19:35:57] | sphery: | actually, not much detail in there... just, "In really basic terms, more data used to define colour which for some reason means we can get less banding (if you don’t know what that is, just know that it’s bad) for a smaller file size." |
| [19:36:27] | wagnerrp: | but... whatever banding you get, was there in the source |
| [19:36:34] | Beirdo: | I like the first comment |
| [19:36:35] | wagnerrp: | since its the same god damned color depth |
| [19:36:52] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: this is the error I am getting on a version that was built today http://pastebin.com/FE1QkfYC |
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| [19:37:38] | Beirdo: | caffeine run time |
| [19:37:39] | wagnerrp: | /usr/lib/pymodules? |
| [19:39:48] | Shadow__X: | is that not supposed to be there? |
| [19:39:58] | wagnerrp: | well its odd |
| [19:40:23] | wagnerrp: | normally python packages get installed to $PREFIX/lib/python<version>/site-packages/ |
| [19:40:33] | wagnerrp: | what distro is this? |
| [19:40:46] | Shadow__X: | mythbuntu |
| [19:41:10] | wagnerrp: | i thought they installed stuff to $PREFIX/lib/python<version>/dist-packages/ |
| [19:41:18] | Shadow__X: | tgm4883: can you shed some light on why python 2.6 is in /usr/lib/pymodules instead of $PREFIX/lib/python<version>/site-packages/ |
| [19:41:56] | wagnerrp: | debian, and debian-based distros like to put it in a different location for no particularly good reason |
| [19:42:05] | wagnerrp: | but thats a third location i was unaware of |
| [19:42:07] | tgm4883: | what release? |
| [19:42:09] | tgm4883: | 12.04? |
| [19:42:17] | Shadow__X: | no 10.04.2 |
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| [19:43:05] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: a look at /usr/lib does show there are a few folders there pymodules pyshared python python2.5 python2.6 python 3.1 python-support |
| [19:43:15] | tgm4883: | weird |
| [19:43:29] | tgm4883: | looks like some things install there? |
| [19:43:45] | tgm4883: | on my 12.04 machine, looks like matplotlib installed there |
| [19:43:57] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: any chance you have two different copies of the bindings installed |
| [19:44:07] | wagnerrp: | and the older one is taking precedence? |
| [19:44:55] | Shadow__X: | i could of sworn they were removed when i upgraded but just to make sure i will check. Do i just use dpkg to check if the other bindings are installed? |
| [19:52:41] | Shadow__X: | hmm it would appear i might have 22 bindings http://pastebin.com/edtX7w9X or am i reading that wrong |
| [19:53:12] | wagnerrp: | the function youre getting an error in didnt exist prior to 0.25 |
| [19:53:45] | Shadow__X: | ok |
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| [19:56:26] | Shadow__X: | tgm4883: is there a reason for libmyth .22 to be listed as install? |
| [19:56:42] | tgm4883: | Shadow__X, cause you didn't remove it? |
| [19:57:32] | Shadow__X: | simple enough |
| [19:57:37] | Shadow__X: | its removed now |
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| [20:03:20] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: 2 different copies of .25 bindings? |
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| [20:04:51] | wagnerrp: | HAHAH |
| [20:04:54] | wagnerrp: | whoops... |
| [20:09:10] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/commit/?id=77394f0a527 |
| [20:09:17] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: need to have a copy after that commit |
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| [20:15:19] | Shadow__X: | I am trying to see what changed but they both look exactly the same |
| [20:15:51] | wagnerrp: | i commented out artwork import, as opposed to artwork export |
| [20:17:15] | earthw0rm: | Anyone use the PS3 bluetooth remote? |
| [20:17:18] | Shadow__X: | lol whoops. I havn;t read too many commits and didnt realize whatever is highlighted in red was removed i thought it indicated what was removed |
| [20:17:23] | Shadow__X: | now i get it |
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| [20:32:03] | kmentat: | H'lo! I'm trying to compile MythTV right now, and I've run into a bit of a snag with configure. |
| [20:32:14] | kmentat: | I've got the config.ep right here: http://pastebin.com/VWaZz696 |
| [20:32:44] | kmentat: | I'm going to make a wild guess that I'm missing some sort of tool that gcc needs to do its thang, but I can't for the life of me figure out what it is. |
| [20:33:07] | wagnerrp: | cannot find libc.... thats some bad juju right there |
| [20:33:28] | wagnerrp: | it compiles fine, it fails linking |
| [20:33:53] | kmentat: | I don't think it's *that* bad. This is Tiny Core Linux. |
| [20:34:30] | kmentat: | OK, it is that bad. They don't have a package for libc |
| [20:35:53] | sphery: | libc is the basis of any system, so you have the libs but your build tools are all broken |
| [20:35:55] | wagnerrp: | as well you shouldnt |
| [20:36:08] | wagnerrp: | since it would be foolish to put it in a separate package |
| [20:37:03] | kmentat: | sphery, Tiny Core is based on ?Clibc, I believe. |
| [20:37:53] | kmentat: | wagnerrp, I was looking for more of a -dev package |
| [20:38:06] | sphery: | yeah, if that's the case you may not be able to build mythtv without significant patching |
| [20:38:11] | dekarl: | kmentat: any special reason to choose this flavour of Linux? If not, the Mythbuntu flavour make compiling (or just using) real simple... |
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| [20:38:48] | sphery: | and, fwiw, if you add all the prerequisites for MythTV to tiny core, you won't have a tiny distro, anymore, so... |
| [20:39:25] | sphery: | if you want small, check out linhes or minimyth |
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| [20:40:02] | kmentat: | Well, the goal was to try and do away with as much fluff as possible. But I think I will check out those distros. I keep forgetting Myth distros other than KnoppMyth (historically my favorite) and MythBuntu exist. |
| [20:40:05] | wagnerrp: | are you doing this because you want a small netboot? or because youre trying to use low end hardware? |
| [20:40:18] | sphery: | linhes is the new knoppmyth |
| [20:40:29] | kmentat: | Is it now? |
| [20:40:30] | sphery: | (i.e. evolved from what used to be knoppmyth) |
| [20:40:45] | wagnerrp: | when youve got multiple terabytes of storage, whats a GB or two for the OS? |
| [20:41:03] | dekarl: | Mythbuntu + LTSP for netboot works well, too |
| [20:41:08] | kmentat: | wagnerrp, more of the low-end hardware thing. I want to see how basic I can get something like a slave back-end. |
| [20:41:29] | dekarl: | kmentat: Tiny slave backend sounds like minimyth might fit |
| [20:41:40] | wagnerrp: | tuners dont fit in the master backend? |
| [20:42:07] | sphery: | kmentat: http://linhes.org/projects/linhes/wiki/History |
| [20:42:31] | kmentat: | Not so much "don't fit" but I have to put my antenna in an inconvenient location. It's a bit easier for me to cram an old laptop in there with my antenna than alternatives. |
| [20:43:08] | sphery: | see, also, http://www.minimyth.org/ |
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| [20:43:39] | sphery: | also remember that tunerless backends (including master backend) aren't supported |
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| [20:43:56] | wagnerrp: | any "old laptop" even worth considering is going to have at least a several GB hard drive |
| [20:44:16] | kmentat: | Woof, there's a lot of extras in there I don't particularly need. Xine, Hulu, Flash, VisualBoy... not that mini, but I'll try it. |
| [20:45:07] | sphery: | remember this isn't Windows, so installing a program doesn't slow your system down |
| [20:45:24] | sphery: | running a program will, but just having it installed shouldn't be a problem |
| [20:47:39] | sphery: | especially when minimyth seems to be about a 130MB tarball |
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| [20:48:37] | kmentat: | Ok, that's pretty mini. |
| [20:48:50] | sphery: | also, a lot of that extra stuff is supported, but not included |
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| [20:49:02] | sphery: | (all of the proprietary stuff seems to be not included) |
| [20:49:15] | kmentat: | ahh, see that's what threw me. |
| [20:49:19] | kmentat: | They used the word "contains" |
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| [20:55:02] | sphery: | I also have to say that I find it quite interesting--and telling--that the distro created to be the smallest MythTV distro seems to be the only distro that doesn't provide an option for a frontend-only or backend-only install. |
| [20:55:16] | kmentat: | That is intriguing. |
| [20:55:17] | ** sphery thinks all distros should learn from mimimyth ** | |
| [20:55:26] | sphery: | the difference between the 2 is only about 2MB |
| [20:55:47] | sphery: | because nearly everything is shared libs |
| [20:56:10] | sphery: | yet a bunch of distros just don't have a clue |
| [20:57:03] | wagnerrp: | gentoo doesnt |
| [20:57:04] | wagnerrp: | wooo! |
| [20:57:09] | kmentat: | I think it only exists to simplify things for the person installing it: no need to enable or disable anything in particular. |
| [20:57:16] | jams: | sphery- linhes does it as a matter of configuration that it |
| [20:57:31] | jams: | all the bits are the same |
| [20:58:20] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [20:58:25] | sphery: | so that's 2 that do it righ |
| [20:58:27] | sphery: | right |
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| [20:59:40] | sphery: | now we just have to get certain other extremely popular distros to learn from minimyth and linhes |
| [21:01:32] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i actually have considered splitting up gentoo |
| [21:01:44] | sphery: | why? |
| [21:01:57] | wagnerrp: | keep the one full install, that installs all applications and libraries |
| [21:02:08] | wagnerrp: | but use virtual packages to allow different dependencies |
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| [21:02:27] | wagnerrp: | such as... installing the backend would just require the basic X libraries |
| [21:02:50] | sphery: | saving you the 2MB of an X server... |
| [21:02:52] | wagnerrp: | while installing the frontend would pull the full X server, and proprietary drivers |
| [21:03:14] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking more of the couple hours worth of compiling |
| [21:03:47] | sphery: | wouldn't a better way to save the hours of compiling be to use a compiled distro? :) |
| [21:03:50] | wagnerrp: | anyway, just idle thoughts, not something i had intended to act upon any time soon |
| [21:04:26] | sphery: | anyway, I'm just not a fan of it--primarily because every distro tends to mess things up |
| [21:04:48] | sphery: | (in terms of what should be where--and doesn't install stuff on one or the other that's required on both or whatever) |
| [21:05:00] | sphery: | and users say, "I can't run mythtv-setup because it's a frontend" |
| [21:05:17] | sphery: | so they don't configure correctly or they hack the db |
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| [21:06:23] | sphery: | and users think that it actually makes a "leaner" install |
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| [21:12:09] | earthw0rm: | Hi, I never did find where you set what tuner is used 1st for live tv and recording, can anyone help me find it? |
| [21:12:37] | earthw0rm: | I looked under "capture cards" in setup, it wasn't there |
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| [21:15:50] | sphery: | likely page 2 |
| [21:15:51] | kmentat: | Aren't you just supposed to set the highest priority to the card you want used first? |
| [21:15:56] | sphery: | advanced options or whatever |
| [21:16:07] | sphery: | no, do /not/ use input priority |
| [21:16:10] | sphery: | :) |
| [21:16:20] | sphery: | input priority means something completely different |
| [21:16:25] | kmentat: | Ahh |
| [21:16:32] | sphery: | it means, "I'd rather record garbage from this input than a good show from the other" |
| [21:16:54] | sphery: | schedule order and live tv order are what you should set |
| [21:17:06] | sphery: | and are likely in the advanced optios (or whatever it's called) for capture cards |
| [21:17:17] | sphery: | might be in input connections? |
| [21:17:23] | sphery: | can't remember |
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| [21:23:00] | earthw0rm: | Yeah, it's input connections |
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| [21:25:44] | dekarl: | If your DVB cards are only detected by mythtv-setup every now and then you might want to try this patch to see if its a driver bug. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1017037/ |
| [21:26:38] | devinheitmueller: | ugh, seriously? |
| [21:26:44] | devinheitmueller: | dekarl: what kernel are you running? |
| [21:27:28] | dekarl: | devinheitmueller: does not matter as its a bunch of other people seeing that issue, not me |
| [21:27:43] | devinheitmueller: | dekarl: any references? |
| [21:27:51] | devinheitmueller: | I was pretty sure I had that crap fixed some time ago. |
| [21:27:55] | dekarl: | I have a suspect change in the frontend-core from 2010 that is now being rolled out / triggered |
| [21:28:06] | devinheitmueller: | You got a git rev? |
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| [21:28:18] | dekarl: | one sec |
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| [21:29:12] | dekarl: | here is a writeup (german, but same rev ;) http://www.mythtvtalk.com/mythbuntu-12-04-mys . . . 4/#post60025 |
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| [21:29:19] | ** devinheitmueller looks ** | |
| [21:30:22] | earthw0rm: | Good stuff, if I can just get the PS3 remote working now I'll be cooking |
| [21:30:42] | earthw0rm: | sphery: Thanks for helping me find that setting |
| [21:30:52] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you need a new heatsink |
| [21:31:12] | wagnerrp: | (if youre cooking) |
| [21:31:31] | earthw0rm: | Lol, I was a bit slow getting that :D |
| [21:31:57] | dekarl: | someone posted a truss log two or three weeks ago. the setups open-ioctl-close-open-ioctl-close sequence with the second ioctl failing due to -ENODEV looked very suspicous. especially as the user reported that keeping the frontend node open via femon made mythtv-setup find the card. (I think that was due to the frontend-core driver not closing the frontend hardware) |
| [21:31:58] | devinheitmueller: | uh, yeah that patch looks wrong. |
| [21:32:27] | devinheitmueller: | There's been a history of race conditions that occur if you rapidly close the frontend and then reopen it. |
| [21:33:24] | devinheitmueller: | That said though, somebody would have to draw up the state machine to figure out what is screwed up in this case. |
| [21:34:03] | devinheitmueller: | A huge help would also be for somebody to add a few printk() lines to log which condition caused the "return -ENODEV" |
| [21:34:10] | devinheitmueller: | (there are several exit points where it could be occurring) |
| [21:36:13] | dekarl: | a state machine of the three states of fepriv->exit ? |
| [21:38:26] | devinheitmueller: | The issue is there is concurrency between the the frontend kernel thread and callers. |
| [21:39:00] | devinheitmueller: | Also, the state is relative to the actual state of the hardware (attached/removed), as well as multiple instances of the thread over time. |
| [21:40:06] | devinheitmueller: | For example, the bug I fixed last year was that if the close of the FD occurred and the thread was told to shutdown, but didn't shut down before a new open occurred, the initialization routines weren't being run (leaving the hardware in an inconsistent state). |
| [21:40:10] | dekarl: | My line of thought was that when the last handle on the frontend device node is closed the driver actually "closes" the frontend hardware asynchronly which takes some time. In that timespan a reopen will work, but the ioctl will fail with -ENODEV due to the different test conditions |
| [21:40:37] | devinheitmueller: | It is almost certainly some variant of the scenario you have described. |
| [21:41:51] | devinheitmueller: | The issue is the state machine cannot just contain the three states described via fepriv->exit – it needs to take into account the state of the frontend thread in terms of whether it's in the *process* of exiting, which can take a nonzero time. |
| [21:42:05] | devinheitmueller: | (since in some cases shutting down the thread invokes i2c calls to sleep the hardware) |
| [21:42:34] | devinheitmueller: | In short: the state machine is likely oversimplified and fails to take into account all of the possible states. |
| [21:43:50] | devinheitmueller: | But yeah, the asynchronous close definitely makes things worse, but it's required for the case where power management is deferred (which was intended to avoid the cost of shutting down and reinitializing the hardware in the event that userland does a quick close/open) |
| [21:45:30] | dekarl: | sounds plausibly. I was thinking its simply a case of "if its ok to open, then its ok to ioctl, too" but the wrong test got copied |
| [21:46:10] | devinheitmueller: | Hard to say. Possibly. |
| [21:47:33] | dekarl: | would testing help? I can whip up a copy'n'pasted patch in like 1 minute and put it somewhere for users to test and report back. I don't have the time atm to dig into the driver and learn how everything goes together :( |
| [21:48:18] | devinheitmueller: | I'm not available to do testing, but if you can find users hitting the issue it would be good to nail this down. |
| [21:48:43] | dekarl: | I was thinking of users, too |
| [21:50:02] | devinheitmueller: | If you can whip up a kernel patch which printk()s the place where it does the return -ENODEV, that would almost certainly give us some idea where the problem is (it would be good if the printk could also dump out the values being compared) |
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| [21:56:06] | dekarl: | ok, I'll see what I can write on the weekend. maybe I'll start with getting frontend name and type in one call to the ioctl, too |
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| [22:08:50] | nOStahl: | hi guys i have a pinnacle 800e and an hp mce remote i'd like to use together, irw does not show anything with key precces after running lirc for mce remotes |
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| [22:20:03] | devinheitmueller: | nOStahl: that receiver won't work with MCE remotes. |
| [22:20:12] | nOStahl: | at all? |
| [22:20:24] | nOStahl: | its not viewed as a usb ir receiver? |
| [22:20:37] | devinheitmueller: | You can configure it to work with a different RC5 or NEC remote (using ir-keytable), but the IR receiver in that device does not support RC6 remotes such as MCE. |
| [22:20:43] | devinheitmueller: | No, it is not a generic USB IR receiver. |
| [22:21:07] | nOStahl: | the specific remote is rc1804911/06 |
| [22:21:10] | nOStahl: | hp remote |
| [22:21:15] | nOStahl: | if that makes a difference? |
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| [22:21:26] | devinheitmueller: | It doesn't matter. If it's MCE compatible, then it's using the RC6 IR protocol. |
| [22:21:31] | nOStahl: | ah |
| [22:21:36] | nOStahl: | well fognanners |
| [22:21:37] | nOStahl: | lol |
| [22:21:54] | devinheitmueller: | You need an MCE compatible receiver (which are actually pretty cheap on newegg or other sources) |
| [22:22:11] | nOStahl: | i should just buy a remote for the pinnacle instead then |
| [22:22:28] | devinheitmueller: | The IR receivers built into the cheap USB tuners generally are only intended for the tuner they shipped with. |
| [22:23:07] | devinheitmueller: | Your life will probably be much easier if you bought an MCE compatible receiver (which will work "out-of-the-box" rather than trying to get some other remote working with the 800e. |
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| [22:24:21] | devinheitmueller: | The other advantage of an MCE compatible receiver is that it tends to be easier to place directly in "line-of-sight" to where ever you are sitting, as opposed to the one built into the 800e which is probably sticking out of some USB port on your PC. |
| [22:24:51] | nOStahl: | aye |
| [22:25:03] | nOStahl: | damn I use to have a usb ir receiver too |
| [22:25:08] | nOStahl: | lost in the moves over the years heh |
| [22:25:29] | devinheitmueller: | They tend to be dirt cheap (you can get MCE kits with both the remote and the receiver for less than $20) |
| [22:25:29] | nOStahl: | I can always just use my iPhone as a remote with mythtv right? |
| [22:25:36] | devinheitmueller: | beats me. |
| [22:25:37] | devinheitmueller: | ttyl |
| [22:25:49] | nOStahl: | question 2 |
| [22:25:59] | nOStahl: | how does hard drive read/write speed affect live tv |
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| [22:26:14] | jams: | or buy a streamzap so you don't have to worry about getting a mce that will work without a driver update. |
| [22:27:56] | nOStahl: | i.e. I have a netbook un-used i'd like to use mythbuntu on a sd card (ssd died in the netbook) |
| [22:47:38] | sphery: | nOStahl: you won't want to have your backend writing to an sd card, but the frontend doesn't actually write the recording to local disk--it plays whatever the backend streams to it |
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| [22:47:53] | sphery: | nOStahl: however, a netbook is likely to be a terrible piece of hardware for a frontend |
| [22:48:04] | sphery: | and not a good choice for a backend, either |
| [22:48:15] | nOStahl: | if its all I have |
| [22:48:30] | sphery: | then mythtv may not be a good choice for you? |
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| [22:49:06] | sphery: | BTW, MythTV is a Free DVR program, but one that's extremely expensive compared to alternatives like cable-/satellite-company-provided DVRs |
| [22:49:22] | sphery: | both in terms of hardware cost and time |
| [22:49:40] | Shadow__X: | that should be the slogan |
| [22:49:41] | sphery: | it's actually designed as a luxury/power DVR, not a cheap dvr |
| [22:49:58] | stuartm: | sphery: in fairness I played with the frontend on a first generation netbook (no ion, crappy early atom) and it worked just fine for SD |
| [22:50:10] | Shadow__X: | i have a core 2 duo e8400 and am looking forward to upgrading to a nice i7 |
| [22:50:22] | nOStahl: | I just want to watch live tv or play transcoded movies so my little girl does not have to get peanut butter fingers on the dvd's lol |
| [22:50:37] | wagnerrp: | why transcoded? |
| [22:50:41] | Shadow__X: | get her a tv |
| [22:50:52] | nOStahl: | save space |
| [22:50:53] | wagnerrp: | just use the ISOs directly |
| [22:51:01] | wagnerrp: | nah, not worth the effort |
| [22:52:10] | nOStahl: | would save a lot of time and processor power with iso's heh |
| [22:52:44] | sphery: | anyway, you may be able to get mythtv working on a netbook--provided you have some extra storage somewhere on the network--but it's definitely not the type of hardware I'd recommend for a good first experience |
| [22:53:14] | nOStahl: | I have mythbuntu on it right now, I'm watching live tv with the pinnacle 800e |
| [22:53:40] | Shadow__X: | and hows that working out |
| [22:53:52] | nOStahl: | very nice |
| [22:54:20] | nOStahl: | getting use to the quirks with signal levels and such it seems |
| [22:55:03] | nOStahl: | if it does not get a lock it drops me to main menu |
| [22:58:52] | nOStahl: | its a little choppy very slightly not the digital pixelation style chop with this digital tv stuff. |
| [22:59:02] | nOStahl: | i think its cause of the slow storage space? |
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