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| [00:01:44] | Shadow__X: | would i change the if statement to be false all the time? |
| [00:01:56] | wagnerrp: | that would do it |
| [00:02:27] | Shadow__X: | so instead of if self.rec.inetref: do if 0=1: would that do it |
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| [00:03:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | swapping out one of the sticks for one of the others... trying now... ;-) |
| [00:03:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | no errors now! ;-) |
| [00:04:19] | wagnerrp: | worth a day of memcheck? |
| [00:04:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: of course. ;-) |
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| [00:05:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Heh, no optical drive... I'll have to create a bootable USB stick. ;-) |
| [00:06:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | (no HDDs, and they're 2.5" drive bays) |
| [00:06:44] | wagnerrp: | no sata spares around your house? |
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| [00:08:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I do have a sata drive or two – trouble is that there's no ports... |
| [00:08:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh wait, there is one for the optical drive... looks like a standard sata cable would plug in... humm. |
| [00:08:52] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: what do you mean there are no ports |
| [00:08:59] | wagnerrp: | no sata ports? what kind of 2.5" drives are there? |
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| [00:09:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | It's got a backplane on the front for 8 hot-swap 2.5" drives. |
| [00:09:42] | wagnerrp: | but the backplane has to plug in somewhere |
| [00:09:44] | Shadow__X: | couldnt you put it in one of the hot swap bays |
| [00:09:53] | wagnerrp: | unless its on a riser connected directly to the motherboard |
| [00:10:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | Right, but the backplane plugs in with the 4-way sata cables. I'd need one of those breakout cables, and don't have one. |
| [00:10:20] | wagnerrp: | SFF-8087 plug? |
| [00:10:34] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [00:10:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | but I can probably get by with the one for the optical drive – I'm sure I've got a sata dvd drive here somewhere. |
| [00:11:21] | Shadow__X: | does it still have the hot swap bays? |
| [00:11:32] | Shadow__X: | or are you saying you only have spare 3.5 drives |
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| [00:11:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | It doesn't have the carriers for the drives – nor do I have a 2.5" SATA drive handy... D'oh! |
| [00:15:31] | Shadow__X: | if 0=1: did not work |
| [00:15:35] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: ok, pushed a fix for the artwork stuff |
| [00:15:52] | wagnerrp: | do you actually need carriers for the drives? |
| [00:16:34] | Shadow__X: | sometimes you can just plug them in, but if you dont have a drive that fits that wont work |
| [00:17:08] | wagnerrp: | at least all the hotswap sata bays ive used just use the sata plugs directly |
| [00:17:19] | wagnerrp: | no adapter like ATA drives had |
| [00:17:39] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: thanks so that will be in .25-fixes right? Also does that fix the ascii issue? or just the url error |
| [00:17:54] | wagnerrp: | just the url error |
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| [00:19:39] | Shadow__X: | ok the other error is due to unicode issues right? |
| [00:20:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: just the sata plugs – but the carriers line it up right... And I don't have any 2.5" SATA drives handy. |
| [00:20:40] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [00:20:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | I do have a USB DVD drive for my Netbook... I'll have to find that. ;-) /me goes to look, and get some dinner too. ;-) |
| [00:21:00] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: i actually have a single-bay hotswap for my desktop that needs no carrier |
| [00:22:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I've got two 5-bay hotswaps on my Myth backend that need carriers... The 'no-carrier' ones came out just a little bit after I bought these... |
| [00:23:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the four 3-bay ones on mine all need carriers |
| [00:23:56] | Shadow__X: | will .26 get the unicode fix? |
| [00:24:19] | wagnerrp: | and 0.25 |
| [00:26:02] | Shadow__X: | ok just will take some time. thats good that it will work on .25 thanks again |
| [00:29:32] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: still around? |
| [00:29:37] | Shadow__X: | yup |
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| [00:30:03] | wagnerrp: | could you run open mythpython |
| [00:31:39] | wagnerrp: | and run... import lxml; lxml.etree.tostring(Recording.fromJob(Job(<jobid>)).exportMetadata().toXML (), pretty_print=True) |
| [00:31:52] | wagnerrp: | pastebin the result |
| [00:32:53] | wagnerrp: | i think the problem might be im expecting the input to be ascii |
| [00:32:58] | wagnerrp: | but it was already unicode from the database |
| [00:33:03] | wagnerrp: | so converting it again breaks things |
| [00:33:29] | Shadow__X: | i did mythpython and then the line you pasted but i am unsure if i did something wrong as its telling me the syntax is invalid |
| [00:34:49] | waxhead: | hey everyone... |
| [00:34:56] | Shadow__X: | it seems to be poing to < in <jobif> |
| [00:34:58] | Shadow__X: | id* |
| [00:35:10] | waxhead: | anyone heard of recent updates to the nvidia driver causing problems when turning off a samsung tv? |
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| [00:35:37] | waxhead: | I'm thinking a signal is being sent back along the HDMI cable that causes linux, or X or something to freeze.. |
| [00:35:44] | waxhead: | effectively causing a hard reset... |
| [00:36:35] | Shadow__X: | i have not heard of that |
| [00:37:28] | waxhead: | it's a new thing since the upgrade of mythbuntu.. I've isolated the problem as being related to turning off the TV. |
| [00:37:28] | ** sphery wonders if it's too soon to start hinting to wagnerrp that we should run a script over the trac history to change all [24701] to vvv ** | |
| [00:37:28] | MythLogBot: | SVN 24701: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/25fdd6d1 |
| [00:38:12] | waxhead: | I suspect updates to nvidia drivers might be the reason... |
| [00:38:29] | sphery: | waxhead: what problems? |
| [00:38:30] | waxhead: | Hmm.. I think I can pick older versions... I'll give that a try later. |
| [00:38:35] | sphery: | just freezes? |
| [00:38:46] | waxhead: | sphery, yep, just freezes... |
| [00:38:59] | sphery: | but ssh and stuff still works? so it's just the display that's frozen? |
| [00:38:59] | waxhead: | but it takes out the whole OS... |
| [00:39:03] | sphery: | oh |
| [00:39:08] | waxhead: | no.. no ssh... |
| [00:39:12] | sphery: | that's strange (and terrible) |
| [00:39:19] | sphery: | definitely something driver or kernel level |
| [00:39:21] | waxhead: | I'm tailing the syslog at the time and it doesn't show anything... |
| [00:39:28] | waxhead: | yeah, that's what I'm thinking... |
| [00:39:53] | sphery: | you could just go in and inspect the source code ... oh, wait |
| [00:39:57] | waxhead: | Samsungs have that anynet which sends signals through the cable to do things... like turn off the TV turn off the amp etc... |
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| [00:40:11] | sphery: | (I do like what the nvidia drivers do, but times like these remind me...) |
| [00:40:18] | waxhead: | so I think something is now "seeing" this when it didn't before |
| [00:40:32] | Shadow__X: | maybe try another tv? |
| [00:40:46] | waxhead: | The TV out is via DVI dongle to HDMI... |
| [00:40:49] | sphery: | here's hoping that AMD's OpenCL/GPGPU push leads to some great F/LOSS drivers for AMD with great video support and all |
| [00:40:54] | waxhead: | Shadow__X, no other TV's to try... |
| [00:41:11] | Shadow__X: | waxhead: maybe a monitor? |
| [00:41:20] | sphery: | waxhead: did you try looking in the TV menus to see if you can disable that AnyNet stuff? |
| [00:41:29] | waxhead: | sphery, yep.. done that.. |
| [00:41:35] | sphery: | and, yeah, monitors work great for testing... |
| [00:42:00] | waxhead: | took a while to figure that out.. but I did get there in the end.. didn't make any difference though. |
| [00:42:39] | ** sphery is using a 24" computer monitor for his MythTV box ever since the color wheel in his 67" TV "centrifugally disassembled" itself ** | |
| [00:42:42] | waxhead: | OK, I'll grab a monitor and give it a whirl... |
| [00:43:14] | sphery: | gotta get up the courage to disassemble the TV to put the replacement color wheel in |
| [00:43:15] | waxhead: | I've used a monitor as a TV in the past... it's now my second monitor... time to swap it out and test this issue.. |
| [00:43:24] | sphery: | good luck |
| [00:44:15] | Shadow__X: | sphery: i replaced the convergence stuff on my tv and that wasn't bad. I have a feeling the color wheel is more involved though |
| [00:45:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i dont get it... |
| [00:45:39] | sphery: | it's just tucked behind all the important stuff :) |
| [00:46:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: change [24701] to 25fdd6d1 , etc |
| [00:46:05] | MythLogBot: | SVN 24701: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/25fdd6d1 |
| [00:46:16] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: i meant for you to insert the jobid for whatever job mythvidexport was running as |
| [00:46:20] | sphery: | editing all the comments/descriptions/etc. |
| [00:46:32] | Shadow__X: | oh :( sorry about that |
| [00:46:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you had looked into it a while back, but wanted to play around with the DB more |
| [00:46:42] | wagnerrp: | oh, figured that was something that could be done as we migrated from sqlite to mysql |
| [00:46:47] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [00:46:54] | sphery: | wasn't sure what it was waiting on |
| [00:47:06] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: do you want me to do that for the ascii one? |
| [00:47:19] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: dont worry about it, i think i know what i need to do |
| [00:47:19] | sphery: | I just thought of it again because of a very long conversation with MythLogBot in PM |
| [00:48:05] | sphery: | after asking for the links for enough svn changesets, he seemed to be bored with me |
| [00:48:22] | sphery: | (not to mention it was a lot slower than just clicking to link :) |
| [00:50:07] | wagnerrp: | xris: you around? |
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| [00:52:23] | xris: | barely |
| [00:53:58] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, didnt notice gigem had mentioned the other two coupons had been used with no mention |
| [00:54:22] | jya: | wagnerrp: the bug in regards to IPv6 link-local on mac (and appears to have existed on windows too) has been fixed... |
| [00:54:23] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: i put in the jobid but i am still getting an error file "<console>", line 1, in <module> NameError: name 'Recording' is not defined |
| [00:54:45] | Shadow__X: | btw guys newegg had the hdhr prime for 150 |
| [00:54:51] | wagnerrp: | make that 'Recorded.fromJob()' |
| [00:55:26] | wagnerrp: | JR.com has it for $150, with a $15 coupon |
| [00:55:48] | Shadow__X: | oh thats even better |
| [00:55:57] | wagnerrp: | jya: what ended up being the problem? |
| [00:56:13] | wagnerrp: | somewhat odd that freebsd would work, but osx wouldnt |
| [00:56:36] | wagnerrp: | although i suppose thats more of a kernel thing, which wouldnt be shared with Mach |
| [00:56:44] | jya: | they didn't set the scopeid at all… which for some reasons work on linux, but didn't on mac and windows |
| [00:57:23] | wagnerrp: | oh, Qt wasnt setting the scope, even if you gave it in the address |
| [00:57:35] | jya: | yep |
| [00:57:42] | wagnerrp: | gotcha |
| [00:57:51] | Shadow__X: | http://pastebin.com/QH2MbNpb |
| [00:58:32] | jya: | from the comment in their svn commit, on linux, if the scopeid isn't set, then it broadcast instead |
| [00:58:32] | wagnerrp: | looks like ill just need to do some digging on that... |
| [00:58:40] | jya: | sorry, it multicasts |
| [00:59:09] | jya: | https://codereview.qt-project.org/#patch,side . . . ace_unix.cpp |
| [00:59:43] | jya: | so all they added really is a setScopeId… interesting |
| [01:00:36] | wagnerrp: | i almost wonder if it would be "safer" for us to provide our own sockets, and stuff them into the q[tcp|udp] classes |
| [01:01:15] | jya: | i don't think I like the thought of having to now worry about all the different OS implementations. |
| [01:01:21] | jya: | that's what Qt is for. |
| [01:01:38] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [01:01:46] | jya: | if you check the Qt code, you'll see that it has 3 differents socket implementations |
| [01:03:00] | jya: | now, just have to wait for the next tag release |
| [01:03:51] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: did that help or should i do something else? |
| [01:03:53] | jya: | and there's a new Qt 4.8.2 … wouldn't have the fix either |
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| [01:06:57] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: not so much, but dont worry about it |
| [01:07:08] | wagnerrp: | what im thinking *should* handle anything |
| [01:07:26] | wagnerrp: | putting in some helper utility similar to how QString works |
| [01:07:43] | wagnerrp: | and anything that goes to or from the command line, pass it through there |
| [01:07:49] | Shadow__X: | sorry about that. If there is anything i could do or run for you let me know ill be around and want to help anyway i can |
| [01:08:44] | wagnerrp: | sorry for uncovering bugs? :P |
| [01:09:28] | Shadow__X: | well more so i wanted the pastebin to help you more than it did |
| [01:10:00] | wagnerrp: | [20:47] <wagnerrp> Shadow__X: dont worry about it |
| [01:10:01] | Shadow__X: | i am glad i can atleast help in squashing the bugs |
| [01:10:07] | wagnerrp: | (ten minutes before the pastebin) |
| [01:10:30] | Shadow__X: | i gothca |
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| [01:57:13] | jya: | sphery: with the mysql command line, how do I specificy which server address to use ? |
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| [01:57:50] | jya: | ah --host |
| [01:59:51] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:59:57] | sphery: | saw the question too late :) |
| [02:00:16] | jya: | couldn't see it in the man page, but google showed it as first result |
| [02:00:31] | jya: | weird, I actually want to do it in php. so I use the mysql_connect |
| [02:01:01] | jya: | even though I set the server to "localhost" it tries to connect using unix:///var/mysql/mysql.sock |
| [02:01:06] | clever: | jya: -h also works |
| [02:01:15] | jya: | which isn't the right path on a mac |
| [02:01:31] | clever: | localhost is usualy a keyword to use unix, try 127.0.0.1 |
| [02:02:04] | jya: | clever: you're my hero... |
| [02:02:34] | jya: | I always had to keep changing the $server value between the actual server and my development machine.. complete pain as I keep forgetting |
| [02:05:54] | sphery: | jya: yeah, mysql always defaults to unix sockets for localhost connections |
| [02:06:13] | sphery: | and you'd need to an IP address to force tcp |
| [02:06:19] | jya: | sphery: which would be fine if the mac binary was set to use the proper path by default ! |
| [02:06:20] | sphery: | (as you've found out :) |
| [02:06:29] | sphery: | you can specify the socket in ... |
| [02:06:52] | jya: | if I set ":/tmp/mysql.sock" manually as the server, it works.. but by default it looks into /var/mysql |
| [02:06:57] | jya: | though that may be a php issue |
| [02:07:01] | jya: | probably is |
| [02:07:04] | sphery: | /etc/my.cnf (assuming they have the same in mac os x) |
| [02:07:21] | sphery: | socket = /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock |
| [02:07:23] | sphery: | or whatever |
| [02:07:46] | sphery: | usually specified for [client] and [socket] stanzas |
| [02:08:33] | jya: | no such file here... |
| [02:10:05] | sphery: | how about in php.ini: mysql.default_socket = /Applications/sugarcrm-4.5.0f/mysql/tmp/mysql.sock |
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| [02:10:09] | sphery: | or whatever |
| [02:10:35] | clever: | everything in /etc/mysql/my.cnf can also be set in ~/.my.cnf |
| [02:10:40] | fryguy: | or, just change the socket.. |
| [02:10:45] | fryguy: | in mysql_connect |
| [02:10:49] | clever: | ive even set server-only stuff in the per-user ~/.my.cnf |
| [02:10:49] | sphery: | hehe, yea |
| [02:10:53] | sphery: | lots of approaches |
| [02:10:59] | clever: | and managed to run a server under my own user, with datadir in home |
| [02:11:03] | clever: | no root needed |
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| [02:36:13] | sphery: | forgot my -x |
| [02:38:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: 2 passes so far – 0 errors on 6GB ram... I'm not sure why they threw this server out – unless someone accidentally threw out the wrong server or something... |
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| [02:41:20] | Shadow__X: | maybe the pcie are broken |
| [02:41:38] | Shadow__X: | or after its been on for 4 days it electrocutes you |
| [02:46:48] | sphery: | Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrocutes. |
| [02:48:47] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [02:53:12] | wagnerrp: | never do maintenance again... as it will have fried all your electronics techs |
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| [03:19:19] | skd5aner: | but it's got what plants crave |
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| [03:26:53] | sphery: | skd5aner: when you update, next, please watch to see if those, "PlaybackSock::SendReceiveStringList(): Response too short" errors disappear |
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| [03:30:38] | sphery: | skd5aner: I'm not sure that fix will actually fix whatever issue caused your autoexpire to fall behind, but it's one less variable in the mix |
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| [04:25:49] | johnsu01: | so, some episodes that I have previously recorded but allowed re-record have the wrong metadata when they are recorded again — they often use the episode description from another series I record regularly |
| [04:26:57] | johnsu01: | actually I guess they aren't necessarily descriptions from other things I've recorded before — they are just descriptions from some other shows |
| [04:28:31] | johnsu01: | I guess I'm supposed to check if I have EIT enabled, let me see.. |
| [04:36:16] | johnsu01: | it was enabled, I disabled it |
| [04:37:13] | sphery: | yeah, if you have eit enabled for a channel that gets data from xmltv or Schedules Direct, it will stomp all over the listings |
| [04:37:31] | sphery: | generally, if you don't use EIT at all, you would simply disable EIT in the Video Source that contains your channels |
| [04:37:57] | johnsu01: | I use schedules direct, I don't know if I have need for EIT or not — I just disabled it in the video source |
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| [04:39:21] | sphery: | if you have Schedules Direct, you shouldn't need EIT for anything since SD should have listings for any useful channels you get, and assuming you're in the US, that's a good thing because EIT is usually garbage here |
| [04:40:18] | johnsu01: | so now is there something I can do to get the correct info in for the current recordings? |
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| [06:53:02] | sphery: | johnsu01: sorry to leave you hanging... you want to use mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all (and may want to use that normally). |
| [06:54:15] | sphery: | johnsu01: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 49416#449416 for for details about --dd-grab-all . |
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| [07:01:07] | stuartm: | sphery: "may want to use that normally" – shouldn't it be the default behaviour then? |
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| [07:43:33] | prologic: | Heya all |
| [07:43:51] | prologic: | So... I've been doing a fair bit of reading online with regarding to a problem I have (and have had for a while now but haven't had the time to fix it) |
| [07:44:06] | prologic: | I cannot Scan for Channel Nine or SBS |
| [07:44:24] | prologic: | they just don't come up and despite my research I can't find a plausible reason as to why yet |
| [07:44:44] | prologic: | I think I should play around with tzap and mplayer to see if I can lock in the freq at all for the two channels |
| [07:45:10] | prologic: | and I'm in Australia/Brisbane with a Hauppauge HVR-2200 card |
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| [08:00:10] | Curly060: | hi! I got a question about storage groups: lets say I got two folders A and B inside the storage group. Can I force mythtv to always record in folder A? Reason is:A is on small,silent HD, B is on huge, loud RAID drive. According to the docs,there are 3 schedulers:balanced free space, balanced disk IO and combo of those |
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| [08:02:37] | Curly060: | I think I should have continued reading the docs. looks like the answer is in there by setting an initial weight to some folder. nice! |
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| [08:08:11] | stuartm: | Curly060: weighting one drive over another doesn't guarantee that it will always record to that drive, when recording multiple things at once it may use both or if the quieter drive is short on space it will use the other |
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| [08:08:53] | stuartm: | it just means that it will normally prefer the quiet drive |
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| [08:16:56] | Curly060: | stuartm: which is exactly what I want. and even if it now and then chooses the loud drive, so be it. main thing is that it most of the time chooses the silent one |
| [08:17:58] | Curly060: | as far as I understand the docs, it should be possible to move recordings around inside folders that belong to the same storage group and mythtv will still find them, which raises my next question: |
| [08:18:13] | prologic: | hmm |
| [08:19:02] | prologic: | ok so I've successfully figured out that Nine Digital for Australia/Brisbane is freq 191666667 and used tzap, gnutv and mplayer to successfully lock, stream and play the video |
| [08:19:05] | prologic: | so the question is |
| [08:19:07] | Curly060: | does mythtv (or mythfrontend) periodically scan drives of storage groups? in that case I would have to think about unmounting the loud drive and only mount it on demand... |
| [08:19:23] | prologic: | how do I update the frequencies that MythTV's backend is using to scan in with? |
| [08:19:37] | prologic: | Nine Digital and SBS are wrong |
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| [08:22:40] | stuartm: | Curly060: it doesn't scan them no, but if it's looking for a file and doesn't find it on the first drive it will spin up the second to look there, so you may want to ensure that the quiet drive is listed before the noisy drive |
| [08:24:00] | stuartm: | which reminds me ... |
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| [08:29:42] | Curly060: | stuartm: that sounds good. It is perfectly fine to spin up the loud drive when I actually watch some recorded show, because the sound of the show is defintely louder than the drive. So it looks like mythtv does exaclty what I need. nice! |
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| [09:27:44] | waxhead: | has mythfilldatabase changed in 0.25? |
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| [09:33:10] | dekarl-too: | prologic, sounds like an offset frequency (+125 kHz) of 191500 kHz which is in the frequencytable, see https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . les.cpp#L335 |
| [09:34:27] | dekarl-too: | 177500000 (177.5 MHz) + 2*7000000 (7MHz channel distance) + 125000 (125 kHz Offset) == 191625000 which is very close to your 191666667 |
| [09:37:51] | dekarl-too: | hmm, #9777 hints that there are multiple offets in use down under, e.g. +125kHz and +/-167kHz (the former is implemented in the table, the latter applies to your example) |
| [09:37:51] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9777 ** | |
| [09:46:35] | dekarl-too: | prologic: I think you can change this line to say "DTVModulation::kModulationQAMAuto, 125000, 166667); // VHF 5–12" which should make the scanner try both +125kHz and +166.667 Hz offsetshttps://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/ . . . les.cpp#L344 |
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| [09:52:34] | waxhead: | Hmmm.. what am I missing? for years I've had a crontab entry to run mythfilldatabase: /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase --graboptions '--daily' > /dev/null and I just read that mythbackend runs this? |
| [09:52:47] | waxhead: | so do I not need to have the separate cron entry? |
| [09:59:57] | waxhead: | oh.. it's updated... |
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| [10:25:14] | dekarl-too: | waxhead: From my understanding shephard was fixed in the mean time to work properly with the builtin invocation of shepherd by mythfilldatabase which is invoked the mythbackend |
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| [10:39:19] | waxhead: | dekarl-too, OK... |
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| [10:46:14] | Ankhwatcher: | Is there a functional way to connect a Windows pc as a mythtv frontend? As of 0.25 none of my frontends can connect |
| [10:47:58] | Ankhwatcher: | I was using mythplayer and the xbmc plugin, but neither of them work with the latest version |
| [10:48:28] | sid3windr: | myth runs on windows too, no? |
| [10:48:34] | dekarl-too: | Ankhwatcher: did you try the mythtv frontend itself? there are unofficial prebuilts, e.g. here http://mythtvwindows.sourceforge.net/ |
| [10:49:23] | dekarl-too: | there are some more at http://members.iinet.net.au/~davco/ |
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| [10:59:54] | Ankhwatcher: | dekarl-too: ah, there they are, I couldn't find them |
| [11:00:41] | Ankhwatcher: | I haven't had the best success with thos prebuilts in the past, but I'll give them another go. |
| [11:01:01] | dekarl-too: | I used prebuilts with 0.24-fixes, worked quite ok. |
| [11:03:20] | prologic: | dekarl-too, so you're suggesting I modify the frequencytable.cpp a little and run the latest git head? |
| [11:03:56] | dekarl-too: | yes, to the little modification, no, I would do it on the version you are running, not lastest master |
| [11:04:16] | dekarl-too: | I used master to see if it had changed since |
| [11:05:27] | prologic: | dekarl-too, ok |
| [11:05:30] | prologic: | I'll try this :) thanks heaps |
| [11:05:49] | prologic: | I prefer this solution over others I've found |
| [11:05:53] | prologic: | because it fixes the problem for tohers :) |
| [11:06:07] | prologic: | if this works, I'll submit a patch against 0.24 (which is what I'mr unning) |
| [11:12:19] | dekarl-too: | prologic: sounds good. #9777 hints that there might be some more work to do on the channel scanner to get the backend to be able to tune channels on the offset frequency |
| [11:12:19] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9777 ** | |
| [11:13:59] | prologic: | hmm |
| [11:14:11] | prologic: | maybe my colleague at work can help with this :) |
| [11:14:21] | prologic: | I'm no good at C++ :) |
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| [13:40:01] | CiaranG: | wagnerrp: fyi, I found another way for mythvidexport to fail with the 'cannot have artwork without inetref' message |
| [13:40:44] | CiaranG: | If the metadata grab job fails after the recording, obviously there's no inetref, but there still seems to be artwork (which I guess is the auto-generated screenshot) |
| [13:41:33] | CiaranG: | This is happening to me a lot, because the guide data frequently has mis-named programmes. The only workaround I've found is to edit the recording and correct the names, then let it run the metadata grab again |
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| [15:00:41] | wagnerrp: | CiaranG: already fixed |
| [15:01:05] | wagnerrp: | i disabled pulling artwork from the recording |
| [15:01:17] | wagnerrp: | as the mxml format currently has no logic for handling artwork |
| [15:01:25] | wagnerrp: | it only does URLs, not filenames |
| [15:02:45] | andrewju: | wagnerrp: can you please help me to setup vaapi? |
| [15:03:13] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt know where to begin with that |
| [15:03:33] | andrewju: | I already started! :) mythfrontend gives me an error "failed to reinitialize video output". |
| [15:04:06] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt know where to middle or end with that either |
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| [15:06:25] | andrewju: | Ugh, ok... Does an error "CoreContext mythplayer.cpp:969 (OpenFile) – Couldn't open decoder for ..." (my livetv .mpg file there) tell you anything? |
| [15:06:47] | wagnerrp: | what hardware is this? |
| [15:07:55] | andrewju: | Intel Sandy Bridge Core i7 CPU... |
| [15:08:58] | andrewju: | Oh, this may be important: |
| [15:09:00] | andrewju: | vaapicontext.cpp:119 (Create) – VAAPI: Failed to get OpenGL context – you must use the OpenG L UI painter for VAAPI GLX support |
| [15:09:07] | andrewju: | vaapicontext.cpp:311 (CreateDisplay) – VAAPI: Invalid display |
| [15:09:08] | wagnerrp: | do you have the VAAPI drivers installed? |
| [15:09:16] | wagnerrp: | did you compile MythTV with VAAPI support? |
| [15:09:19] | CiaranG: | wagnerrp: That's great, thanks. In the mythtv-scripts github repo? |
| [15:09:34] | wagnerrp: | CiaranG: no, all bindings stuff |
| [15:09:54] | CiaranG: | Aha, ok, great |
| [15:10:07] | wagnerrp: | all mythvidexport does is get a VideoMetadata object from somewhere, and feed it back into the bindings |
| [15:10:43] | wagnerrp: | the problem was that the bindings were exporting artwork definitions in a format the bindings could not import back in |
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| [15:11:18] | andrewju: | wagnerrp: Yes, MythTV is compiled with VAAPI support, and I believe drivers are installed (but I'm not sure how to check that, at least vainfo gies me some output). |
| [15:11:38] | andrewju: | gies = gives |
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| [15:46:52] | CiaranG: | It would be nice if frontends behaved better when the backend restarts (especially idling frontends) |
| [15:47:14] | wagnerrp: | theyre designed to gracefully reconnect, what are you seeing otherwise? |
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| [15:56:03] | CiaranG: | wagnerrp: Crash and restart, was what I just saw (after a long freeze) |
| [15:56:13] | CiaranG: | The long freeze is what I usually see |
| [15:57:15] | CiaranG: | Pretty much guaranteed that all the other frontends in the house, which usually idle on the main menu, are going to misbehave in the same way the next time someone tries to use them |
| [15:57:32] | CiaranG: | I'll see if I can get some logs/other info if this isn't the expected behaviour |
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| [16:06:01] | andrewju: | VAAPI works now, but dropping lots of frames and taking most of the CPU... Not sure if it's MythTV or the driver... :-( |
| [16:07:26] | wagnerrp: | if youre using VAAPI, you shouldnt be taking much CPU |
| [16:09:31] | andrewju: | That's what I thought, too... I think this line in the logfile is the playback statistics: |
| [16:09:33] | andrewju: | Player(6): FPS: 25.05 Mean: 39921 Std.Dev: 3196 CPUs: 59% 61% 50% 43% 58% 58% 50% 76% |
| [16:10:43] | wagnerrp: | so you're pretty much running full out on all cores |
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| [16:13:24] | andrewju: | aha... somewhere something is definitely wrong. Do you know if VAAPI is working at all, or should I go for VDPAU with a separate NVidia adapter? |
| [16:14:52] | wagnerrp: | i would stick to opengl and software decoding personally |
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| [16:17:44] | andrewju: | If I set Playback Profile to OpenGL High Quality – I get a similar CPU load: |
| [16:17:44] | andrewju: | Player(7): FPS: 24.91 Mean: 40143 Std.Dev: 8059 CPUs: 64% 44% 55% 45% 51% 40% 48% 38% |
| [16:18:11] | wagnerrp: | what about xv-blit? |
| [16:18:42] | andrewju: | Where's that one? |
| [16:18:57] | wagnerrp: | same place you went to select opengl or vaapi |
| [16:22:09] | andrewju: | Low CPU usage, but black screen (I hear audio though) |
| [16:22:45] | wagnerrp: | im betting your drivers arent actually installed properly |
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| [16:22:58] | wagnerrp: | and youre trying to push the opengl video renderer through MESA |
| [16:24:57] | andrewju: | If I only knew how to check it... Will try Google... :) |
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| [16:40:12] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: so, sounds like you're getting good data, now, for your mythfilldatabase runs kicked off by the backend? Sounds like maybe something happened during a mfdb run that caused it to fail to clean up the temporary cache, so only the user who ran it that time could use it. We could probably add some code to use mkstemp to create a better temp name (using the mythtv_dd_data or whatever in the template). Feel free to submit a patch. |
| [16:40:57] | sphery: | or, if nothing else, create a patch to notice and print error when we can't use the cache... |
| [16:41:08] | sphery: | actually, it seems it was using the cache--just never cleaning it... |
| [16:41:17] | sphery: | anyway, interesting issue, and glad you got it fixed |
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| [16:51:32] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: you around? |
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| [16:52:59] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: anyway, in reference to #10774 |
| [16:52:59] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10774 ** | |
| [16:53:09] | wagnerrp: | we get one of these requests a couple times a year |
| [16:53:56] | wagnerrp: | and it always boils down to non-linear scaling in the scheduler when dealing with a bunch of virtual tuners, combined with hardware PID filters on certain tuners simply not being able to give us all those channels simultaneously |
| [16:54:14] | wagnerrp: | is there any mechanism in the API to determine what that filter might be capable of? |
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| [17:31:31] | ** devinheitmueller looks at wagnerrp's ticket... ** | |
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| [17:35:00] | devinheitmueller: | I'm pretty sure that isn't a constraint of the kernel API. I believe the demux API will fall back to software PID filtering if you exceed the maximum number of PIDs supported in the hardware filter. |
| [17:35:01] | wagnerrp: | its the "let us have more than five virtual tuners" complaint |
| [17:35:25] | devinheitmueller: | (in which case you've got a bit more CPU load), but the in-kernel demux will still return a correct series of streams. |
| [17:35:40] | wagnerrp: | meaning it will just stop filtering all together, pull the whole stream from the card, and filter in software? |
| [17:35:46] | stu___: | I am having trouble setting up my HVR2200 tuner card. I installed the firmware and it creates devices /dev/video[01] and /dev/vbi[01]. However I don't know what card type my tuner card is (Analog?) and can't get any channels when I scan. Any ideas? |
| [17:36:02] | devinheitmueller: | The challenge here is that it isn't really about "number of tuners". It's a combination of number of PIDs (for which a given program can have an indeterminate amount) as well as total Mb/s for the resulting streams. |
| [17:36:29] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: I believe that's the behavior. However "in software" means "in-kernel" – from the userland it should be transparent. |
| [17:36:36] | wagnerrp: | stu___: how did you even get your hands on a -2200? they dont sell those over here |
| [17:36:58] | devinheitmueller: | In fact, *very* few chipsets even do hardware filtering. Most of the drivers rely on software filtering. |
| [17:37:49] | devinheitmueller: | On an embedded system, I might be worried about the extra traffic being announced by the hardware and dropped in kernel, but it shouldn't be a problem on commodity systems. |
| [17:37:50] | stu___: | wagnerrp: I got it from newegg.com. Im in the US |
| [17:38:13] | wagnerrp: | are you sure its a -2200, and not a -2250? |
| [17:38:15] | devinheitmueller: | stu___: double check. You almost certainly have an HVR-2250, not a 2200. |
| [17:39:05] | stu___: | devinheitmueller: Yeah I think your right. |
| [17:39:07] | wagnerrp: | devin: might want to forward that on to deniel |
| [17:39:11] | wagnerrp: | daniel |
| [17:39:46] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: forward what? If he has a specific question I can answer it, but at this point all I could really say is "it shouldn't matter from a userland perspective" |
| [17:39:46] | wagnerrp: | stu___: anyway... the /dev/video<n> devices are analog, specifically MPEG2 encoders |
| [17:39:55] | wagnerrp: | we dont do analog broadcasts in the states |
| [17:40:06] | wagnerrp: | so their only use would be capturing from a set-top box |
| [17:40:23] | wagnerrp: | or if you still have analog cable |
| [17:40:40] | stu___: | wagnerrp: OK I'll try that. I am on a school cable system, so im not sure what it is. |
| [17:40:41] | wagnerrp: | just that hardware limitations should not cause problems for users |
| [17:40:56] | wagnerrp: | stu___: can you get video from an old CRT TV? |
| [17:41:05] | stu___: | +wagnerrp: yep |
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| [17:41:10] | wagnerrp: | then its analog |
| [17:41:12] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: there is a risk that your application simply won't be able to write that many streams to disk simultaneously, but that isn't really a tuner limitation. |
| [17:41:40] | wagnerrp: | right, but then thats just a general tuner count limit, not something to do with virtual tuners specifically |
| [17:41:51] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: also, some cards do fall down if you exceed their maximum throughput (meaning packets get dropped). This could be an issue with some of the newer DVB-S2 streams. |
| [17:41:59] | wagnerrp: | stu___: you will want to use the "MPEG-2" type in mythtv-setup, not V4L |
| [17:42:18] | wagnerrp: | oh? i thought that was only a problem on some very old USB1.1 tuners |
| [17:42:26] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: the problem is that you don't know what the Mb/s is for the various tuners, so you cannot simply say "5 streams". |
| [17:42:53] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: even with PCI boards it can happen – in cases where the driver author never tried receiving a 60 Mb/s stream. |
| [17:43:30] | stu___: | wagnerrp: Ok the cardtype as: MPEG-2 encoder card This results in : Video device: /dev/video0 and VBI: /dev/vbi0. Good so far? |
| [17:43:54] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [17:44:20] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: .... in some cases it won't work because the hardware simply doesn't support it (and it wouldn't work under Windows either). In other cases it would be a problem where the Linux driver author never did the proper optimizations for high bitrate reception. |
| [17:44:35] | wagnerrp: | give the digital inputs a try, you might get something there too |
| [17:44:42] | wagnerrp: | but note that card has two hybrid tuners |
| [17:44:55] | wagnerrp: | one hybrid tuner can do analog, or digital, but not both at the same time |
| [17:45:12] | wagnerrp: | so if you do configure the digital tuners (/dev/dvb/adapter<n>) |
| [17:45:20] | wagnerrp: | you will have to configure input groups |
| [17:45:37] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv knows /dev/dvb/adapter0 cannot be used at the same time as /dev/video0 |
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| [17:46:06] | stu___: | wagnerrp: I set the video source channel frequency table to us-cable. Then I linked the tuner to that video source, but when I scan, I don't get anything. |
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| [17:46:47] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to scan anyway |
| [17:46:58] | wagnerrp: | give mythtv the credentials to your schedules direct account, and have it pull a lineup |
| [17:47:10] | stu___: | wagnerrp |
| [17:47:31] | stu___: | wagnerrp: I didn't configure one because this is a private lineup. |
| [17:47:55] | wagnerrp: | you tried the trial subscription, and they didnt have one for your headend? |
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| [17:48:52] | stu___: | wagnerrp: No. Should I try it on schedulesdirect.org? |
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| [17:49:28] | wagnerrp: | they have a seven day free trial (for 21 days of guide data) |
| [17:49:35] | wagnerrp: | sign up, see if they have a lineup available |
| [17:49:50] | stu___: | wagnerrp: ok |
| [17:49:54] | wagnerrp: | if not, contact them, see if they can work with Tribune to build a lineup |
| [17:50:01] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed to operate with guide data |
| [17:50:10] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt work well at all if it doesnt have it |
| [17:50:26] | wagnerrp: | and in north america, we license guide data through schedules direct |
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| [17:52:04] | Blaksmith: | Hi there.. quick question.. is there an "easy" way to get myth to either transcode on the fly to flash, so I can watch with mythweb on our Wii, or would they have to be transcoded after every recording? |
| [17:53:01] | wagnerrp: | there is an interface in mythweb to transcode to sorenson/flash |
| [17:53:18] | wagnerrp: | or you can try to put something together yourself with the new HLS code in the backend |
| [17:53:49] | wagnerrp: | however, i was not aware the wii had a "proper" browser |
| [17:54:10] | Blaksmith: | it will only play flash videos .. it's an "Opera" powered browser |
| [17:55:02] | wagnerrp: | right, its opera, and i thought mobile opera browsers routed all data through opera's servers, so it could be condensed for better use on small displays |
| [17:56:09] | Blaksmith: | where might I find that setting to transcode in mythweb? |
| [17:56:44] | wagnerrp: | when you open the individual details for a recording, it will be off to the right side of the page |
| [17:56:56] | wagnerrp: | hit play, and it will start transcoding automatically |
| [17:57:06] | wagnerrp: | note, you will have to enable it first in mythweb's settings |
| [17:57:57] | Blaksmith: | yah, I only see ASX and Direct Download options when I open the info for the recording |
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| [17:59:26] | Blaksmith: | blah.. just noticed that I may have to install ffmpeg with mp3 support.. |
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| [17:59:58] | wagnerrp: | do understand that whole thing is deprecated, and due for replacement |
| [18:00:15] | wagnerrp: | in fact, the replacement has been written, it just hasnt been interfaced with mythweb yet |
| [18:00:25] | Blaksmith: | ahh ok |
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| [18:01:49] | Finswimmer: | Hello. I have upgraded to mthtv 0.25. Everything is working really fine. Even the mythmetalookup. Except for Scrubs. I have entered the right tvdb id. But it does not find any episode. I tried to start ttvdb.py manually on konsole, but this never ever gave me a result (even for series/episodes which have the right series/episodes numbers)... |
| [18:01:50] | Blaksmith: | any eta on when it might be implemented? weeks? For now, I'm sure I can go ahead and just re-compile ffmpeg for now |
| [18:03:17] | wagnerrp: | Blaksmith: you can access it directly from the web server built into the backend |
| [18:03:32] | wagnerrp: | it just doesnt have a clean interface |
| [18:03:52] | wagnerrp: | the interface is intended for demonstration purposes, rather than end use |
| [18:03:58] | Blaksmith: | ok |
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| [18:07:10] | Finswimmer: | Hm. So I have found out that /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l de -N "Scrubs" "Mein falscher Rückschluss" is working, whereas -N "Scrubs – Die Anfänger" "Mein falscher Rückschluss" is not working. But N 76156 "Mein falscher Rückschluss" is working. |
| [18:07:39] | Finswimmer: | But Scrubs – Die Anfänger is the name that is transferred via EIT. |
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| [18:10:09] | Blaksmith: | wagnerrp, I think I'm in business with just installing ffmpeg with mp3 capability .. popped up a player window on the details of the recorded episode, and plays on this thing.. now to test on the wii :D |
| [18:14:17] | dekarl: | Finswimmer: "Scrubs" is the main name and "Scrubs – Die Anfänger" just an alias name. Maybe thats related? http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=76156&lid=14 |
| [18:16:15] | wagnerrp: | still, it should pick up on the alias |
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| [18:19:59] | Blaksmith: | blah.. not working on the Wii :( oh well, not a major issue at this point in time .. was just hoping I could get something going during lunch hehe |
| [18:20:57] | wagnerrp: | so theres an article on engadget... "Volvo's driverless road train in Spain is public mainly on the plain." |
| [18:21:24] | wagnerrp: | all these people are commenting on the title, wondering why the author is making something strange and confusing |
| [18:21:27] | Blaksmith: | but, now my system is using 100% usage with mythffmpeg, even though I have disconnected from it |
| [18:22:00] | wagnerrp: | so someone posts a youtube clip from My Fair Lady, only to be shot down with snide comments about the title being an obscure reference |
| [18:22:22] | wagnerrp: | would it be out of line to call such a person an uncultured bastard? |
| [18:22:23] | Blaksmith: | ok, scratch that.. soon as I got off of the page on this machine (operator error) it stopped |
| [18:22:34] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: doesnt work for Fringe / Fringe – Grenzfälle des FBI either |
| [18:22:43] | wagnerrp: | yeah, once the stream stops, it terminates the transcode |
| [18:23:23] | dekarl: | couldnt test with dead like me as no one cared to add the alias (would have been nice as the alias is without umlauts ;) |
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| [18:25:18] | Blaksmith: | good show .. Dead Like Me .. too bad they didn't continue the series :( |
| [18:25:49] | wagnerrp: | no nudity |
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| [18:27:22] | Finswimmer: | dekarl: Right. it is the same id (76156). But why does mythtv not uses this id? |
| [18:27:56] | wagnerrp: | Finswimmer: initial guess... thetvdb doesnt allow searching by aliases |
| [18:28:03] | Finswimmer: | Instead it uses "Scrubs – Die Anfänger" which is, for some reason, not working. (Although it should as there exists an entry on thetvdb.com |
| [18:28:09] | wagnerrp: | and "Scrubs" is marked as the primary name for german |
| [18:28:47] | wagnerrp: | best recommendation, set the inetref on the recording rule, so mythmetadatalookup doesnt need to search for the show title |
| [18:28:54] | Finswimmer: | oh. that makes sense. Is there a way to force mythtv to use the id? Or can I make an local alias to "Scrubs"? |
| [18:29:25] | wagnerrp: | if the inetref is set in the recording rule, mythtv will use it |
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| [18:29:55] | wagnerrp: | Blaksmith: even Stargate did the gratuitous full frontal to appease Showtime |
| [18:29:58] | Finswimmer: | inetref is the id? 76156? it is set in the recording rule |
| [18:30:04] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:30:21] | Blaksmith: | lol wagnerrp |
| [18:31:26] | Finswimmer: | it is set, like all other series (dr.house, desperate housewives). I had to set some IDs manually (like andromeda) but after this it is working really fine. Except for Scrubs |
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| [18:32:47] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin the log from MML? |
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| [18:39:37] | Finswimmer: | http://derp.co.uk/21c93 |
| [18:41:58] | dekarl: | Finswimmer: did you run MML with --refresh-all ? (To propagate the inetRef from the recording rule to old recordings) |
| [18:42:44] | wagnerrp: | looks like a --refresh-all-artwork on this one |
| [18:43:23] | Finswimmer: | Yes. It was a --refresh-all-artwork |
| [18:43:43] | Finswimmer: | and later a --refresh-all-rules |
| [18:44:09] | Finswimmer: | and after that the automatic mythtv nightly ones. |
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| [18:49:41] | Finswimmer: | dekarl: wagnerrp: Great!! Now it gets results for Scrubs. |
| [18:51:14] | dekarl: | Finswimmer: btw, are you using EIT only or a xmltv grabber? |
| [18:51:42] | Finswimmer: | dekarl: xmlt grabber from epgdata.com |
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| [18:52:44] | Finswimmer: | What is the best way to get all the metadatas? I have configured mythTV do let scan it automatically during the night. Is this enough? Possible not, as it would have assigned the right ids otherwise? |
| [18:53:33] | dekarl: | Finswimmer: it will assign the ids when making a new recording from recording rule |
| [18:56:46] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: i thought musicbrainz was a music detection system |
| [18:57:47] | dekarl: | actually its more the community of metadata and music lovers |
| [18:57:56] | wagnerrp: | i.e. it would fingerprint things for tagging |
| [18:58:06] | dekarl: | it does have acoustic fingerprints liked to their data, too |
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| [19:07:31] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: that was how it started, but they've actually moved away from that being the focus... in fact, they've drastically changed how they fingerprint tracks – http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/AudioFingerprint |
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| [19:08:27] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: dekarl basically said it – their aim is to be the complete "music encyclopedia", and tagging (and fingerprinting) is just one aspect of how the db can be leveraged |
| [19:09:17] | dekarl: | imho the killer feature of musicbrainz is the well thought out data model and editing process. No more "ask nicely if someone might add an alias" etc. |
| [19:10:35] | skd5aner: | yea, NGS is pretty nice, but took a little time to get used to after using it for 9 year the old way |
| [19:11:11] | skd5aner: | I'm a big evangelist for musicbrainz – I've got 10k+ tracks in my library, all with mbids :) |
| [19:11:23] | skd5aner: | (well, almost all) |
| [19:12:01] | skd5aner: | if someone really loved mythmusic enough, musicbrainz + last.fm would make for an awesome metadata experience |
| [19:12:06] | dekarl: | and still no "mbid at flicker" visualization? ^^ |
| [19:12:56] | skd5aner: | dekarl: ok, should I know what that is? |
| [19:13:03] | dekarl: | now that theguardian & co. are switching to mbids the whole idea of content mashups is reaching the mainstream |
| [19:13:13] | skd5aner: | yea, BBC too |
| [19:13:20] | dekarl: | skd5aner: basically the idea of tagging fotos of artists with their mbid |
| [19:13:37] | skd5aner: | oh, and musicbrainz is letting a guy sit on site at last.fm now – they're getting back into the mbid game |
| [19:13:52] | dekarl: | flickr has more then five pictures that are tagged and CC licensed ;) |
| [19:14:10] | dekarl: | typical chicken vs. egg situation |
| [19:14:16] | skd5aner: | have you been following their coverart project with archive.org? |
| [19:14:33] | dekarl: | aye, already contributed some art... its basically reading but empty ;) |
| [19:14:50] | dekarl: | that should have been "ready but empty" |
| [19:15:02] | skd5aner: | desperately needed – I've been using an itunes plugin that's about 7 years old to grab artwork from amazon and google images |
| [19:16:27] | dekarl: | the art from flickr,fanart.tv and the cover archive would be fun to see in mythmusic... e.g. the spinning discs from http://fanart.tv/artist/e0140a67-e4d1-4f13-8a . . . eber-justin/ |
| [19:17:05] | dekarl: | got to leave for a bit, bbl |
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| [19:19:49] | skd5aner: | dekarl: cool site |
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| [19:20:55] | earthw0rm: | Are these keys current? |
| [19:20:59] | earthw0rm: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html |
| [19:24:24] | stuartm: | almost certainly not |
| [19:25:02] | stuartm: | we stopped updating those docs a long time back in favour of the wiki, they shouldn't even be online anymore |
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| [19:25:40] | stuartm: | earthw0rm: you can reconfigure the keys to whatever you want them to be, and there are a lot more actions than keys, most are unbound by default |
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| [19:47:06] | Finswimmer: | dekarl: Thank you for your help! |
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| [20:29:28] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: WTF would different stations apply different names to an episode of a show? |
| [20:29:57] | wagnerrp: | someone decide it as a bad translation, and they could do better? |
| [20:30:37] | dekarl: | dunno, but likely depends on corporate structure... the rights on the translation are sometimes with competitors... |
| [20:31:42] | dekarl: | one set of episode titles is from the dvd set, the other from tv station A. later station B decided to broadcast the series with the names from the dvd... not sure they did that on purpose (unlikely) |
| [20:32:36] | dekarl: | more often its differences like writing out numbers as "2" or "two" etc. |
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| [20:36:14] | wagnerrp: | but then you have things like "The Long Goodbye", versus "Phoebus and Thalan" |
| [20:38:04] | stuartm: | sometimes they just screw up |
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| [21:08:47] | swerve: | still having this weird mythtv-database problem. I reset the mysql root pw, can start mysql, log in as root, etc. but mythtv-database won't install, says this: |
| [21:09:01] | swerve: | Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1. |
| [21:13:20] | swerve: | n/m – purged mythtv-database, and reinstalled, seems to be installed now. Now I'll see what's broken next, lol |
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| [21:20:28] | earthw0rm: | I've been setting some recordings that don't seem to have worked |
| [21:20:38] | earthw0rm: | What cna I do to find out why? |
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| [21:56:41] | swerve: | check /var/log/mythtv/ for errors |
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| [22:08:10] | skd5aner: | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUU____________________!! |
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| [22:13:55] | skd5aner: | about 3 minutes in to the upgrading ubuntu, my power went out |
| [22:14:26] | ** skd5aner gets his torch and pitchfork ready and heads to the power company ** | |
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| [22:14:57] | swerve: | skd5aner: I'm with you – that's what crashed my server & screwed up my myth/mysql a few weeks ago! |
| [22:15:46] | skd5aner: | luckily this was the frontend, and the backend is on UPS, but... it's starting to become apparent that this is not a fun process to try and fix when brutally interupted like it was |
| [22:16:16] | swerve: | speaking of which – my database is now gone, and the backed up ones don't have all the data. Is there a way to rebuild from the saved files w/out entering them into the database manually? |
| [22:16:32] | skd5aner: | sorta, but not really |
| [22:17:02] | swerve: | that is lucky – the UPS failed on my backend, guess the battery's dead, argh |
| [22:18:09] | skd5aner: | this may be of assistance, kinda – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
| [22:18:33] | skd5aner: | not sure if there's a better option in terms of identifying orphans – I think you still have manually enter them into the db, but I'm not sure – never had to do that |
| [22:20:12] | stuartm: | heh, looks like I'm upgrading this whole system since new DDR2 for this system is over 3x more expensive than the same amount of DDR3, for the money I'd saved buying DDR3 instead I can buy a new mobo too |
| [22:20:34] | stuartm: | s/I'd saved/I'd save/ |
| [22:20:42] | swerve: | thanks skd5aner! |
| [22:21:27] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea, don't you love that? I needed a small 50GB drive a couple years ago – it was 3x as much as a 500GB drive :S |
| [22:21:45] | swerve: | ram is such a racket! they soak you big when faster rams come out, and then when you need legacy ram, they jack the prices up huge! |
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| [22:26:35] | stuartm: | ugh, researching/deciding what to buy is such a pain |
| [22:27:56] | stuartm: | and there really isn't anything wrong with this system now, I could just use some more elbow room since it really bogs down if I ever tip into swap |
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| [22:30:07] | skd5aner: | I need a new desktop badly – but it's so list on my priority list from a budget standpoint :/ |
| [22:30:26] | skd5aner: | luckily, my server is pretty well set for a while I hope – since my mobo died last summer and forced me to ugprade |
| [22:31:27] | wagnerrp: | swerve: not really |
| [22:31:41] | wagnerrp: | half of it is from production going down, so prices naturally creep up |
| [22:32:13] | wagnerrp: | the other half is from the fact that the new memory tech is going to be die shrunk, so youre getting 2–3x as much for the same amount you previously paid |
| [22:32:23] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, a little OT but do you have any recommendation for a 3–5 lb plane. Has to be electric. I dont want to fuss with tuning every time |
| [22:33:30] | wagnerrp: | never actually used any hobby kits, we would build our own |
| [22:33:46] | wagnerrp: | i could give you some pointers on working with fiberglass and carbon fiber if you want... |
| [22:33:58] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh, I dont have the time, or know how to build my own. |
| [22:34:25] | wagnerrp: | ours was maybe 13lbs |
| [22:34:34] | Twiggy2cents: | My current one is all styrofoam. I want one that is a little heavier so the lightest breeze doesnt send it veering off in the opposite direction. |
| [22:34:36] | wagnerrp: | closer to 15lbs when we got it airworthy with payload |
| [22:34:52] | Twiggy2cents: | Was it a 4 stroke engine? |
| [22:34:53] | wagnerrp: | about 18lbs after the thing crumbled into pieces after the first crash |
| [22:35:05] | wagnerrp: | 2-stroke, nitromethane |
| [22:35:09] | stuartm: | heh, I was watching a youtube video earlier about cutting fibreglass with a dremel for model aircrafts |
| [22:35:40] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh how big of a plane do you need to venture into to use the airplane 4 stroke engines? |
| [22:35:57] | stuartm: | I was actually trying to find out if it was possible to cut perspex with a dremel since it's a PITA to do with a hacksaw |
| [22:36:01] | Twiggy2cents: | Evidently 18lbs was too much? |
| [22:36:01] | wagnerrp: | maybe 0.9cu.in., 3.2HP at around 15kRPM, and 17–18lbs of thrust |
| [22:36:11] | wagnerrp: | too much? |
| [22:36:27] | Twiggy2cents: | You said it was about 18 lbs when it crashed |
| [22:36:40] | wagnerrp: | nah, thats just what you get when trying to repair a 12ft long fuselage that buckled in two places at three AM in a hotel room |
| [22:37:06] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh so you are saying when it was fly worthy again it was about that much |
| [22:37:07] | wagnerrp: | it actually crashed since it was one glow plug short |
| [22:37:25] | Twiggy2cents: | Ehh? how was it running? Did it blow it out of the head? |
| [22:37:46] | wagnerrp: | glowplug unthreaded itself and popped about 50ft up, a quarter mile out |
| [22:37:57] | wagnerrp: | didnt quite manage to glide back around to the strip |
| [22:38:27] | Twiggy2cents: | I have landed mine on the wheels once....... on accident. |
| [22:38:43] | wagnerrp: | we were just under 55lbs total weight |
| [22:38:55] | wagnerrp: | the aircraft itself was ~15lbs |
| [22:39:13] | Twiggy2cents: | It is really hard to land a plane that weighs 7oz and spans about 2 ft |
| [22:39:24] | Twiggy2cents: | Actually it is really hard to fly it period |
| [22:39:47] | Twiggy2cents: | So was there some sort of weight box in the center or what? |
| [22:39:57] | Twiggy2cents: | That seems like the tractor pulls of flying |
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| [22:40:16] | wagnerrp: | bunch of lead plates |
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| [22:40:44] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh |
| [22:41:06] | wagnerrp: | 55lbs takeoff weight, 0.91cu.in. total displacement, we had to take off in under 200ft, land in under 400ft, and maximize the payload |
| [22:41:19] | wagnerrp: | maximum takeoff weight |
| [22:41:25] | wagnerrp: | we could do less than 55lbs if we wanted |
| [22:41:25] | Twiggy2cents: | How much fuel did it hold and how long could you fly with that much weight? |
| [22:41:45] | wagnerrp: | couple ounces, not much at all |
| [22:42:08] | wagnerrp: | we had to do once around the field, maybe a mile around the perimeter |
| [22:42:17] | Twiggy2cents: | How do you land in under a certain distance. Did it have brakes? |
| [22:42:34] | Twiggy2cents: | I guess incoming speed has a lot to do with it? |
| [22:42:36] | wagnerrp: | that was up to us |
| [22:43:02] | wagnerrp: | we just cut the throttle to stop the propeller, and nosed it in |
| [22:43:25] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to hurt the engine, and youve got spare props |
| [22:43:28] | wagnerrp: | no sense trying to be fancy |
| [22:44:14] | Twiggy2cents: | Did your engine not have a centrifugal clutch on it? |
| [22:45:04] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [22:45:30] | wagnerrp: | you have a clutch if you want to change gears, or freewheel |
| [22:45:43] | wagnerrp: | dont know what purpose that would serve on an aircraft |
| [22:45:48] | Twiggy2cents: | What do you mean your not going to hurt the engine and you have spare props. Were you saying that if you crash it with the engine off it will be better than if it was running? |
| [22:46:26] | Twiggy2cents: | Freewheeling is what I though you were getting at for when you landed |
| [22:46:52] | wagnerrp: | if you nose in with the engine running, youre going to snap the prop, and potentially overrev the engine when you remove the load on it |
| [22:47:13] | wagnerrp: | if the engine is off, you still might snap the prop, but no harm will come to the engine |
| [22:47:16] | Twiggy2cents: | Gotcha, I see what you are saying |
| [22:47:23] | wagnerrp: | at most, you might scrape up your propeller hub a bit |
| [22:48:27] | Twiggy2cents: | The one thing I like about this little plane that I have, I flew it into a wire fence at full speed and can fix it with a new prop and some hot glue. |
| [22:48:34] | Twiggy2cents: | It crashes so gracefully |
| [22:49:21] | wagnerrp: | we fixed it with resin, chopped filler, and inanimate carbon fiber rods |
| [22:50:53] | Twiggy2cents: | Did it look like Frankenstein after it got obliterated? |
| [22:51:49] | sphery: | wow, another "How to win friends and influence people" reply to a closed ticket |
| [22:52:22] | sphery: | (from someone who doesn't understand the issues he's saying we devs are handling stupidly) |
| [22:52:23] | wagnerrp: | the wing was perfectly fine |
| [22:52:43] | wagnerrp: | basically, the payload bay rolled forward |
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| [22:52:52] | wagnerrp: | snapping the fuselage in front and behind it |
| [22:53:27] | Twiggy2cents: | So it wasnt the pretty parts that broke then |
| [22:53:49] | wagnerrp: | pretty parts? this thing was one fugly beast before we took it down there |
| [22:54:23] | wagnerrp: | semitransparent fiberglass over pink foam core for the frame |
| [22:54:35] | wagnerrp: | more fiberglass for the monocoque skin |
| [22:54:43] | wagnerrp: | basically, the skin on the fuselage tore |
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| [22:55:19] | wagnerrp: | so we drilled holes through the bulkheads, threaded these CF rods through, and stuck the whole thing together with resin filled with chopped iber |
| [22:55:48] | wagnerrp: | chopped fiber in the resin makes it a whole lot stronger if youre using any significant volume |
| [22:55:53] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh I thought you made it with carbon fiber |
| [22:58:31] | Twiggy2cents: | I misread |
| [22:58:50] | Twiggy2cents: | Didnt even bother to spray it with some spray paint before showing it off ;-) |
| [23:01:23] | wagnerrp: | spraypaint is heavy |
| [23:01:28] | wagnerrp: | carbon fiber is heavy |
| [23:01:36] | wagnerrp: | you cant really get thin weaves with CF |
| [23:01:54] | wagnerrp: | so for our needs, fiberglass was sufficient and lighter |
| [23:02:11] | wagnerrp: | we only used CF for reinforcement around the wingbox and bulkheads |
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