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LedHed:

anyone here running a HDHR Prime without a cablecard?

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LedHed:

I just got mine, but wont get the cablecard till next week.

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LedHed:

Trying to set it up on 0.25, but it doesn't want to tune channels.

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LedHed:

thought it might be able to work with just ATSC if the cablecard was absent.

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wagnerrp:

its supposed to work, but apparently it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

theres an open ticket on trac with a patch

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LedHed:

ok

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wagnerrp:

#10712

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10712 **

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LedHed:

it seemed to work in 0.24, but I think it detected it as an ATSC model

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LedHed:

wagnerrp, so could download the source, apply that patch and then just replace hdhrstreamhandler.cpp

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america:

still haven't figured out my transcoding issue

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america:

http://pastebin.com/kJP4x441

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america:

tried changing from autodetect to high quality

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fryguy:

silly question, but does anybody know if mini-itx power supplies will mount correctly on ATX cases?

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wagnerrp:

no such thing

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wagnerrp:

theres TFX, which is a much smaller version

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wagnerrp:

and then Inwin's blend of TFX, which is like a half height version of that

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fryguy:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . e=Mini%20ITX

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fryguy:

so this is bogus?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-sup . . . ,3061-5.html

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wagnerrp:

see Flex ATX

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fryguy:

mmk

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fryguy:

and, totally unrelated, but what do you think about llano instead of i3? llano seems to be substantially cheaper, and should still have enough horsepower, right?

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fryguy:

(would still get a real nvidia card and not use the built-in stuff)

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wagnerrp:

why buy a llano if youre getting a discrete video card?

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fryguy:

because it's substanially cheaper than i3

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wagnerrp:

which one are you looking at specifically?

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fryguy:

probably like a4–3400 (dual core 2.7ghz, 65w)

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fryguy:

$66 on newegg

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fryguy:

compared to the cheapest i3, which is like 120

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wagnerrp:

compared to a G630, 2.7GHz, $75

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fryguy:

not an i3 though, just a plain pentium

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fryguy:

doesn't matter i'm assuming?

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wagnerrp:

whats the difference?

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fryguy:

not much I guess

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fryguy:

I guess I was just looking at i3 because you told me to :)

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fryguy:

wasn't sure if lower spec processors would still handle 1080p w/o gpu accel

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wagnerrp:

the G8xx are basically an i3 with AVX extensions and 3D rendering disabled

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wagnerrp:

the G6xx has a slower L3 cache than the G8xx

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fryguy:

things I typically won't notice on a front-end.

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wagnerrp:

AVX is basically next generation of SSE

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fryguy:

if I want to start doing transcoding stuff, i'll have the 6-core 16gb ram backend to take care of it. so maybe i'll check out pentiums instead of i3s

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wagnerrp:

if youre getting a discrete graphics card, youre not losing anything of value

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wagnerrp:

if youre using onboard, i assume the integrated GPU still supports opengl

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wagnerrp:

it just apparently wont do anything 3D

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wagnerrp:

which mythtv does not use at the moment

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fryguy:

i think it makes the most sense to just get a $30 nvidia card (found a nice low-profile geforce 210), so i have full easy accel of stuff, with a somewhat weaker cpu than to try to do it all in 1

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wagnerrp:

well the advantage of it being all in one is that... its all in one

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wagnerrp:

meaning you can get a very flat case, with no room for expansion

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wagnerrp:

since you dont need it

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wagnerrp:

just a board, fan, and PSU

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** wagnerrp goes to bed **

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andrewju:

wagnerrp, sphery, are you here?

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noisymouse:

hi, I'm trying install from git on gentoo, but I keep getting an error about invalid slot: ''

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noisymouse:

anyone know when wagner or sphery are usually on?

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earthw0rm:

Hello all, if I have a film in my videos folder, and the file is named after the title of the film, should metadata lookups be working?

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waxhead:

oddest problem, still to be 100% confirmed, but turning off the amp and the TV and myth(buntu) crashes....

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waxhead:

oh.. not turning off mythtv... just the amp and TV...

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Scopeuk:

waxhead, i'd take a guess at a graphics driver is causing that

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waxhead:

Scopeuk, I'd say so... testing confirms that the it's the TV, makes sense, since the TV is plugged into the card.

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waxhead:

well... how the heck do you stop that?

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waxhead:

I wonder if there's something on the TV that's changed to do this, or the upgrade to new ubuntu 12.-4

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russell5:

is it just mythtv thats crashes or the whole system?

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waxhead:

russell5, the whole system...

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waxhead:

ping stops

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russell5:

check logs. /var/log/messages

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russell5:

might lead you in the right direction

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waxhead:

it's really more a system hang... image is left onscreen.. the system doesn't reboot...

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waxhead:

russell5, been looking through /var/log/syslog... nothing in there... forgot about messages

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stuartm:

!seen okolsi

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MythLogBot:

okolsi was last seen 113 days 18 hours 5 minutes 25 seconds ago

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Xn0p0rdyH:

I upgraded to 0.25 and can't get my tuner working with myth, if I do cat /dev/video0 > ~/tmp.mpeg I get an output but myth is saying it can't tune to the channel ...

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wagnerrp:

is this in livetv or scheduled recordings?

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Xn0p0rdyH:

livetv

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wagnerrp:

any problems with recordings?

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Xn0p0rdyH:

the recordings i have play back fine

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Xn0p0rdyH:

i can try setting up a recording to test it though

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wagnerrp:

well there are some known issues with livetv in 0.25 that so far dont appear to be affecting pre-scheduled recordings

[15:33:12]

wagnerrp:

HDPVR or IVTV?

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Xn0p0rdyH:

Hauppauge HVR-1600 using v4l

[15:36:46]

wagnerrp:

using v4l?

[15:36:56]

wagnerrp:

as in the V4L input type in mythtv-setup?

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Xn0p0rdyH:

no v4l driver/firmware

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Xn0p0rdyH:

using the mpeg2 interface in myth

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Xn0p0rdyH:

pointed to /dev/video0

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wagnerrp:

can i see the backend logs?

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Xn0p0rdyH:

sure, i'll pastebin them

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Xn0p0rdyH:

http://pastebin.com/p5h1BnLu

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Xn0p0rdyH:

logs from the previous restart are here: http://pastebin.com/eYrxEhtX in case you need them

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wagnerrp:

c++ has a "foreach"? fancy

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Xn0p0rdyH:

foreach is great

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: huh?

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wagnerrp:

?

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stuartm:

C# does and QT offers a foreach macro, but I'm not aware that C++ has one natively or in the STL

[15:51:22]

wagnerrp:

qt then...

[15:51:34]

wagnerrp:

just digging through the action list stuff and found it used for the generation of one of the maps

[15:51:59]

wagnerrp:

would have made a number of iterator blocks ive written a lot simpler

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stuartm:

ah, yeah iirc Mark tended to use it a bit, I'm not sure whether anyone else uses it

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, i have some extra values in there for TV_PLAYBACK

[15:53:15]

wagnerrp:

rather than the typical 'TV Playback' context

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stuartm:

it's really just a contraction of "for (it = list.begin(); it < list.end(); ++it;)"

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wagnerrp:

i guess those are just from an accidentally added context, and get ignored currently?

[15:53:49]

wagnerrp:

so its more a macro rather than real code

[15:53:50]

wagnerrp:

?

[15:54:41]

wagnerrp:

Xn0p0rdyH: youre running the release tarball?

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: aye http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qtglobal.html#foreach

[15:55:15]

wagnerrp:

boooo...

[15:55:26]

wagnerrp:

"your message to mythtv-users awaits moderator approval"

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stuartm:

heh, someone has set their amazon account email as mythtv-users@mythtv.org – their order confirmations are turning up in the moderation queue

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Xn0p0rdyH:

MythTV Version : v0.25

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wagnerrp:

i mean i attacked a mysql dump that was a scant few bytes past the 40kB message limit

[15:59:55]

wagnerrp:

i didnt know we had a message limit

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you up yet?

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stuartm:

heh, maybe not, it's phishing emails – username is different in each one

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stuartm:

as is billing address, except they are all addresses in Fort Wayne, Texas

[16:02:46]

wagnerrp:

oh, youre talking about those weird Kindle purchases?

[16:02:55]

wagnerrp:

no, thats fishing

[16:03:16]

wagnerrp:

look at the links it gives

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: not seeing the links in the admin interface

[16:05:00]

stuartm:

although I initially suspected that, the lack of links confused me – they must be stripped out when displaying the email in the mailman interface

[16:05:41]

stuartm:

_anyway_ – I assume since you know what I'm talking about that you don't need your email released from moderation? ;)

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stuartm:

oops, I sat down 40 mins ago meaning to only spend ~10 minutes checking and replying to emails ...

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: no, i do, it never went through

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wagnerrp:

i responded to Gerald Brandt about the actionlist stuff

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wagnerrp:

along with my mysql query attached in case he simply had no terminal access at all

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wagnerrp:

and it just barely exceeded the 40kB message limit

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wagnerrp:

Xn0p0rdyH: you never added a starting channel

[16:26:34]

wagnerrp:

livetv cannot function if you dont give it a channel to start on

[16:26:45]

wagnerrp:

and since the last time you ran through input connections, you had not yet added them

[16:27:00]

wagnerrp:

the starting channel is stored as "Please add"

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wagnerrp:

which is invalid

[16:27:29]

wagnerrp:

this would be cleared up the first time you tried to record anything, which would reset the starting channel to something valid

[16:28:11]

wagnerrp:

oh, more logs

[16:28:29]

wagnerrp:

then you have this "failed to find channel"

[16:28:41]

wagnerrp:

because there is no channel named 926

[16:29:04]

wagnerrp:

either that, or its trying to actually tune 926, rather than whatever physical frequency it binds to

[16:29:17]

wagnerrp:

is this direct analog tuning? or capture through an external STB?

[16:30:09]

wagnerrp:

client speaks 63 but we speak 72.... trying to connect to a 0.25 backend with a 0.24 client

[16:32:02]

trumee:

is there any alternative to playing youtube videos other than mythnetvision?

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** trumee tried xbmc today, and youtube support is great over there. **

[16:32:53]

wagnerrp:

you can open mythbrowser

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trumee:

i suppose xbmc doesnt use flash to play the youtube videos.

[16:33:13]

wagnerrp:

you have to use flash to play the youtube videos

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trumee:

problem, is that my FE is in the living room without a 'mouse'

[16:33:35]

clever:

html5 lets you play some videos without flash

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clever:

but not all allow it

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wagnerrp:

i dont think we do html5 video in mythbrowser yet

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trumee:

maybe xbmc downloads the videos in the background and uses its own player for youtube.

[16:34:35]

clever:

wagnerrp: but you can still scrape the <video> tag out and then just play the video directly, no browser at all

[16:35:01]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: I'm not seeing it atm, I'll keep looking though

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clever:

and with all the ffmpeg code, you wont have any of the codec trouble firefox has

[16:35:10]

trumee:

how can i make mythnetvision go full screen without just a remote

[16:35:28]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: i scrapped it, truncated the spaces from the mysql result, and resent it

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wagnerrp:

trumee: correct, downloads, you cant do that

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wagnerrp:

if theres no button to download on the web page, youtube clearly doesnt want you to download

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: ah, that will be why I can't see it then :)

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clever:

i often wget the <video src=...> url, firefox just hangs up too much and i love mplayer

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wagnerrp:

the youtube grabber offers an API for limited control of the player through javascript

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clever:

they cant really stop you, not without going back to flash (which performs even worse)

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wagnerrp:

as well as wraps the video object in its own webpage, such that you get only the flash player and video, without the whole youtube page

[16:38:16]

wagnerrp:

AIUI, it should default to full screen

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wagnerrp:

im trying to find the API definitions in our grabber currently...

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive never seen that wraping on the main youtube.com site

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trumee:

wagnerrp: any idea how xbmc does it so nicely?

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clever:

i can just pull the .src out with a single line of DOM code in the console

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wagnerrp:

trumee: if they are downloading, then theyre cheating

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clever:

wagnerrp: the linux flash player saves all videos to /tmp/, even when 'streaming'

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, either you use the javascript API to control it

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trumee:

wagnerrp: the experience with mythnetvision is poor compared with xbmc.

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wagnerrp:

or they may have a mechanism to define certain mouse controls for certain actions

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trumee:

i didnt see any flash player when i played the youtube video

[16:42:10]

** trumee My Nokia N900 has an awesome custom youtube player which doesnt need flash as well (cuteTube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ipy3LGMYI) **

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wagnerrp:

here it is... http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . youtube.html

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wagnerrp:

we take the specific flash player, and insert it in that custom page

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wagnerrp:

it goes full screen

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wagnerrp:

and allows play/pause, volume, and seeking control

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clever:

ah, no html5 at all then

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wagnerrp:

trumee: unless we get specific allowance from youtube (or any other content provider) to download, we will not download and play directly

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wagnerrp:

we play by their ToS

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wagnerrp:

which means using their flash player

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trumee:

This is the plugin for xbmc http://code.google.com/p/youtubexbmc/

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wagnerrp:

trumee: are you actually using the youtube grabber? or just picking up an RSS feed?

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trumee:

wagnerrp: rebuilding myth on my second FE. going to check once compiles finished

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wagnerrp:

so yes, they download independent of youtube, and use their own internal video player

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trumee:

wagnerrp: i am using Youtibe>Feeds>Highest Rated, and it doesnt go fullscreen

[17:06:14]

trumee:

and where do i provide the username/password for my own subscriptions?

[17:10:13]

wagnerrp:

mythnetvision does not currently support authentication

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** trumee wonders if xbmc youtube can be re-purposed for mythtv **

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wagnerrp:

we do not have an integrated python interpreter

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aleprovencio:

- hello guys, i can't scan/watch channels on mythtv on my Pixelview sbtvd hybrid thought i can on tvtime, can sb please help me out?

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uh992k:

good evening

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uh992k:

I've got a strange problem ...

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uh992k:

I programmed a show which is a single recording rule

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uh992k:

the scheduler tells me he would record it

[19:03:30]

uh992k:

and it is marked as being recorded

[19:03:36]

uh992k:

and it should record *now*

[19:03:59]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: ?

[19:04:07]

uh992k:

and I don't find it in my media library

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uh992k:

like it would not be recorded

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stuartm:

uh992k: did you configure the rule to put the recording into a different recording group?

[19:04:30]

uh992k:

no

[19:04:44]

uh992k:

I don't see the recording in the "all programs" category

[19:04:57]

uh992k:

although everything else tells me it would be recorded

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wagnerrp:

do you have your media library filtered?

[19:05:37]

wagnerrp:

what do the backend logs say?

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uh992k:

hmm ... I'll have a look into it ... 1mom

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stuartm:

uh992k: restart the backend just in case, so that you don't lose the recording entirely in the event that it's not recording it now

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uh992k:

uhm ...

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uh992k:

" N Expire autoexpire.cpp:640 (SendDeleteMessages) Expiring 19 MB for 1032 at 2012-05–26T21:00:00 => "Eurovision Song Contest 2012":"Das Finale aus Baku – Kommentator: Peter Urban""

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uh992k:

strange

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stuartm:

huh, that is strange

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stuartm:

you're completely out of space? No present recordings are expirable?

[19:07:51]

uh992k:

no, there are 46gb left

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uh992k:

and about 20gb to expire

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stuartm:

ok, really odd

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uh992k:

but obviously, it isn't recording

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uh992k:

I'll delete the rule and try it again

[19:10:39]

uh992k:

but it's marked green in "upcoming recording" and it tells me, it would be recorded

[19:10:47]

uh992k:

but there is no disk activity

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wagnerrp:

no mention of the recording failing?

[19:12:03]

uh992k:

no

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wagnerrp:

there is a mechanism where livetv recordings shorter than some length are deleted in just a few minutes

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uh992k:

and it can't be stopped

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wagnerrp:

maybe its getting a false positive on that

[19:12:27]

uh992k:

hmm ... strange

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uh992k:

but it's the first time something like this happens

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wagnerrp:

just checking the length/size, rather than whether it is actually a livetv session

[19:13:29]

uh992k:

I deleted the recording rule but it is still present in upcoming records and it is green and it tells me it is recording

[19:13:31]

uh992k:

lol

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stuartm:

wow, rental DVD here that's unplayable in mythfrontend so I stuck it in MakeMKV just to see what it would do and it's also choking, 99 titles on disc first 5 are garbage (which trips up mythfrontend), then ~93 are between 4 -12 seconds, leaving just the title and a couple of extras

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stuartm:

uh992k: restart the backend, clearly it's badly screwed up somehow

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uh992k:

yes, obviously :)

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stuartm:

never seen or heard this particular problem before

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[R]:

stuartm: which is better... 99 titles or 99 red baloons?

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wagnerrp:

well... one is a nuisance, the other is the end of the world

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stuartm:

I prefer green bottles

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wagnerrp:

im going to go with an annoying dvd

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stuartm:

no, wait, bottles of beer

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stuartm:

very annoying DVD, but I'm tempted to play around and see if I get mythfrontend to play these 'broken' DVDs by taking the same strategy as MakeMKV which seems to eventually decide to ignore the first 5 and last 5 titles – no idea why those ones, but maybe they know a lot more about the protection than I do

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sphery:

stuartm: that's likely "structural DVD protection"

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sphery:

stuartm: meaning that there are errors in the content in those titles and when played by a proper player, the IFOs and nav packets direct the player around the bad stuff

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sphery:

when you try to rip or something, it would try to get the bad stuff and error

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stuartm:

sphery: aye, it's structural, but the problem is that we're trusting the IFOs and they are apparently 'corrupt', as are the BUP, so a commercial dvd player must be doing something else that we're not

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sphery:

yeah, not exactly sure how it all works, but it's a dirty trick the studios are using more and more

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stuartm:

reading around, apparently we wouldn't be having the same problem if we just ignored the nav packets (some players will fallback to just plain reads instead as a workaround)

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stuartm:

unfortunately our ordinary DVD read code got replaced when libdvdnav and nav reading support was added, I'm not about to try and restore it

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stuartm:

still, some of those IFO must be good, so it's really just a question of trying another title when we hit an error maybe

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stuartm:

either that or our nav support is incomplete and just needs extending

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stuartm:

anyway, the real irony is that this 'copy protection' method has just made me do something I wouldn't have done otherwise, I've had to rip the disc just to play it ...

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sphery:

were you the one saying that the updated libdvdnav has some fixes for that?

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sphery:

if so, might be worth re-syncing

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stuartm:

sphery: turns out that change wasn't enough on it's own, it improved the ability to recover from an error but it was still the applications responsibility to keep trying which we fail to do

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stuartm:

there's only been that one commit since our last sync, some documentation changes but in total libdvdnav has seen very little activity in the last 12 months

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america:

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