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| [00:02:20] | holists: | can anyone tell me why I get a "parseExpressionBoolean returns -1" error when I build myth packages using the script with "--with systemd"? |
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| [00:07:04] | wagnerrp: | youll have to be more specific |
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| [00:08:15] | holists: | wagnerrp: I'm using the myth_build.sh script to build rpms. I edited the script to add the option "--with systemd" since F16 uses systemctl for daemons instead of SYSV style |
| [00:09:40] | holists: | error is at the first "%if %{with_systemd}" in mythtv.spec |
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| [00:15:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you notice that Dr Benlo (on Fringe, Brave New World(1)) is John Noble's (Walter's) daughter in real life? |
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| [00:17:40] | wagnerrp: | who was benlo? |
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| [00:22:05] | holists: | mental hospital admin |
| [00:22:31] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:22:36] | wagnerrp: | oh, the one who was more attractive than her predecessor? |
| [00:22:40] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:22:48] | sphery: | Samantha Noble |
| [00:23:33] | sphery: | seems to have mainly done work in Australia--and Fosters commercials here |
| [00:23:58] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Noble |
| [00:26:48] | holists: | did you anyone in the episode where faux-broyles was busted that when agent lee first addresses him he calls him "agent broyles" and is corrected "colonel broyles" but, later in the episode, one of faux-broyles own people calls him "agent broyles" (and, of course, isn't corrected)? |
| [00:27:10] | holists: | sorry s/you anyone/anyone notice/ |
| [00:27:22] | sphery: | hehe, I missed that |
| [00:27:53] | holists: | and they think _we're_ supposed to be able to keep track? |
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| [00:33:32] | sphery: | So, I'm enjoying knowing some trivia about the episode and not putting it on tv.com, since they don't share their data |
| [00:33:49] | sphery: | just wish ttvdb had trivia and notes and better cast stuff |
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| [00:44:46] | holists: | wagerrp: what other info did you need to help with my question (systemd when building rpms)? |
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| [00:45:04] | hi^: | hello |
| [00:45:44] | hi^: | have a question about mythtv is it as good as beyondtv ? |
| [00:46:52] | holists: | hi^: in what way? |
| [00:47:50] | hi^: | trying to find good software been using the 30 day trial of beyondtv |
| [00:48:21] | hi^: | have not tried mythtv |
| [00:48:54] | holists: | hi^: again, i'd ask: what are your criteria for "good"? |
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| [00:49:16] | [R]: | hi^: well its free... so load it and see |
| [00:49:48] | hi^: | does mythtv have program guide ? |
| [00:50:02] | [R]: | the website explains everythign |
| [00:50:04] | [R]: | you should read it |
| [00:50:18] | tgm4883: | [R], pffft, reading is so 1990's |
| [00:50:52] | tgm4883: | Vernon_at_work_, quick! Where is the comparison table :) |
| [00:51:29] | hi^: | is it best free one to try ? |
| [00:51:58] | tgm4883: | best is subjective |
| [00:52:07] | tgm4883: | but to answer your question, yes. MythTV is the best |
| [00:52:08] | hi^: | I understand |
| [00:52:37] | holists: | hi^: it has program guide via schedulesdirect (additional charge). well worth id |
| [00:52:39] | holists: | it |
| [00:53:09] | tgm4883: | holists, only if he is in the US or Canada |
| [00:53:17] | tgm4883: | otherwise he probably would use EIT |
| [00:53:27] | hi^: | in us |
| [00:53:29] | tgm4883: | hi^, respond in this channel for support. No need to PM me |
| [00:53:44] | hi^: | works with most remotes |
| [00:53:46] | tgm4883: | hi^, in that case, schedule data is $20/year I think |
| [00:54:19] | tgm4883: | and it's well worth it |
| [00:54:45] | hi^: | any hacks for that |
| [00:55:10] | holists: | tgm4883: isn't everyone in US? :) |
| [00:55:32] | [R]: | hi^: what? |
| [00:55:46] | tgm4883: | hi^, there is some unsupported ways of using microsoft's data. You won't be getting help for that here |
| [00:56:08] | sphery: | $25/yr for a membership to Schedules Direct, then you get data |
| [00:56:10] | tgm4883: | holists, yes. Everyone is in the US. If you aren't, you are in communist china |
| [00:56:58] | sphery: | and, yes, using data from a Windows MCE system is a violation of terms of service of Windows MCE system |
| [00:57:10] | holists: | tgm4883: besides, his english is too good and he didn't use "lift" instead of "elevator" |
| [00:57:40] | tgm4883: | If I name my videos "Title (YEAR).ext", shouldn't the metadata grabber be able to figure out which one I'm looking for? |
| [00:57:49] | sphery: | and is basically "stealing" Tribune Media Service's data (TMS provides the data to MS for a charge under a specific contract, where using that data with something other than Windows MCE is a violation of said contract) |
| [00:57:52] | tgm4883: | I don't quite understand why it gets confused |
| [00:57:53] | holists: | sphery: even if you own windows and have mce |
| [00:58:01] | sphery: | holists: yes, even then |
| [00:58:11] | sphery: | can /only/ use that data with Windows MCE software |
| [00:58:35] | ** tgm4883 dinner ** | |
| [00:58:54] | hi^: | what about hacks for beyondtv ? |
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| [00:59:14] | sphery: | hi^: note, also, if you're looking for a "cheap" DVR or (free of charge DVR), MythTV is not a good choice... it's actually a very expensive DVR |
| [00:59:46] | sphery: | /much/ more expensive than the $10/mo for a cable/satellite-company DVR--and that's ignoring the $25/yr SD subscription |
| [01:00:01] | holists: | sphery: well, it costs more than my fios "dvr for life", but I still use it |
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| [01:00:59] | sphery: | hi^: to put it simply, the only available choices for listings data for MythTV in North America that are not in violation of some ToS/contract (or outright illegal/copyright violations) are Schedules Direct or EIT |
| [01:01:20] | sphery: | where EIT is "over the air" data that's sent with the video, and the quality of which is dismal, at best, in the US |
| [01:01:27] | hi^: | i have comcast anyone have new comcast that has all digital channels on cable |
| [01:01:35] | sphery: | if you're lucky, you'd get maybe 8hrs data from it |
| [01:02:06] | sphery: | and if you have cable TV, you'll almost definitely get none--because there's no benefit in providing that data over the cable lines, since the cable co wants you to use their devices |
| [01:02:39] | sphery: | holists: yeah, MythTV is great--it's just not "free of charge", regarless of the $0 license fee to use MythTV software |
| [01:03:20] | sphery: | I use it, but I've spent a lot of money on it compared to what I'd have spent on some other DVR... And, if you factor in value of time I've spent, MythTV is a /very/ expensive DVR |
| [01:03:50] | sphery: | hi^: with Comcast, you can probably use a CableCARD tuner to get most of your channels (not guaranteed, but generally the case with Comcast) |
| [01:04:05] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/CableCARD |
| [01:04:06] | holists: | sphery: for me, PC cost is $0, bought pctivo for about $35 |
| [01:05:21] | RagingMind: | there's still power consumption |
| [01:05:56] | sphery: | yeah, and all the money you'll spend on HDDs and HDD replacements and ... :) |
| [01:06:03] | sphery: | and additional tuners |
| [01:06:08] | RagingMind: | most computers that you'd be setting mythtv up on (backend or frontend) will draw a lot more power than an integrated cable company box |
| [01:06:14] | sphery: | and, depending on provider, additional STBs to plug into tuners and ... |
| [01:06:43] | ** sphery just spent $99 to get a replacement 2TB HDD for one that recently failed ** | |
| [01:06:59] | sphery: | at $10/mo, that's 10months of cable-co DVR rental :) |
| [01:07:12] | holists: | well, about $125 for a cablecard tuner (3–4 tuners). hdd depends on usage. I've only got about 300GB of recorded programs |
| [01:08:02] | sphery: | (and I've been waiting about 5 months to buy that HDD because of the recent HDD price increase from the floods) |
| [01:08:32] | holists: | my previous setup lasted 8 years with no blown drives. cost about $300 originally + $100-$150 in addl hardware over time. and I built it originally as a PC, but with myth in mind |
| [01:09:15] | holists: | last hard drive I bought was hitachi 1TB and cost $20 |
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| [01:10:54] | hi^: | was hoping to find good free dvr |
| [01:11:29] | RagingMind: | myth is free... if you already own the hardware and don't pay extra for electricity :) |
| [01:11:58] | hi^: | anyway to get free guide ? |
| [01:12:02] | holists: | and don't value your time |
| [01:12:18] | sphery: | remembering that "the hardware" means hardware of sufficient quality to make MythTV worth using |
| [01:12:33] | sphery: | no way to get free guide in North America other than EIT |
| [01:12:36] | RagingMind: | hi^, for comcast you'd want a schedules direct membership which is $25 for a year |
| [01:12:38] | sphery: | but you wont' get EIT over cable |
| [01:13:34] | sphery: | and note that becoming a member of Schedules Direct, you're actively supporting the F/LOSS community |
| [01:13:34] | hi^: | did not want to pay for guide |
| [01:13:45] | sphery: | because they actually spend money to help out F/LOSS projects |
| [01:14:05] | RagingMind: | that's really a small amount to pay and they are a good project to support |
| [01:14:42] | hi^: | ok |
| [01:14:42] | holists: | hi^: only way around paying for guide is to record based on time/channel (no guide). not very flexible and limits usefulness of dvr |
| [01:14:52] | sphery: | they're not making a profit off it... it was created as a way of making it possible to distribute the listings necessary to allow us to continue to use MythTV or XMLTV or http://www.schedulesdirect.org/approvedsoftware when our previous source of data was no longer available |
| [01:15:15] | sphery: | so any extra funds they have will be channeled back to the F/LOSS community |
| [01:15:29] | RagingMind: | they are basically providing the data at or close to the bare minimum they can to support the service (servers and stuffs), so any other source for guide data will in some way have that cost already factored into something else |
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| [01:16:31] | sphery: | hi^: also, see http://www.schedulesdirect.org/aboutus for more about who/what/why SD is |
| [01:16:37] | skd5aner: | It's $2/month... you spend more than that when you flush the toilet a few times :P |
| [01:16:58] | sphery: | skd5aner: hehe, or when my toilets had a slow leak for a couple months before I noticed |
| [01:17:07] | hi^: | ok |
| [01:17:22] | skd5aner: | The chain on one of my toilets occasionally binds and keeps the flapper up, that's annoying |
| [01:17:27] | RagingMind: | or when you have a cat that flushes the toilet all day while you're gone and you have a HUGE bill? |
| [01:17:47] | skd5aner: | RagingMind: close the bathroom door when you leave? |
| [01:18:07] | holists: | bigger problem with cat buying cat toys while i'm out – cannot return once cat spit is all over them |
| [01:18:12] | RagingMind: | skd5aner, wasn't me... just a funny thing I remembered from somewhere |
| [01:18:17] | RagingMind: | my kitties are good :) |
| [01:18:18] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [01:18:53] | Steve-Goodey: | You could shove the cat in a rubbish bin, some woman got caught on CCTV, caused a right fuss. |
| [01:19:02] | holists: | I love animals – they're delicious |
| [01:19:28] | RagingMind: | http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/catflush.asp |
| [01:20:03] | RagingMind: | Steve-Goodey, I'm guessing you're across the pond? |
| [01:20:49] | holists: | RagingMind: real video; inaccurate description |
| [01:21:09] | Steve-Goodey: | RagingMind: Yup, woke up, can't get back to sleep so it's cereal time. |
| [01:21:54] | RagingMind: | holists, keep reading down, it's explained :P |
| [01:22:30] | holists: | RagingMind: I did. cat flushes but not enough to drive up water bill |
| [01:23:52] | RagingMind: | holists, you should know that I'm currently rolling my eyes |
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| [01:26:34] | holists: | RagingMind: you should know that I'm currently rolling a spliff ;-) |
| [01:26:38] | skd5aner: | I guess Robert's Torc for iOS was recently approved (I've been offline, so may have already been mentioned) |
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| [01:28:19] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: watch Fringe last night? |
| [01:31:41] | holists: | sphery: I had a question earlier about building myth rpms from build_myth.sh – can you help? |
| [01:32:06] | Steve-Goodey: | skd5aner: He's had what looks like his first fault report with it on this channel. |
| [01:32:07] | sphery: | I don't know anything about the rpms/packaging stuff... sorry. |
| [01:33:17] | sphery: | skd5aner: he did watch it--we were talking about how it's got a short season (13 eps, I think) next year to close up the new storyline |
| [01:33:32] | ** sphery is 36:38 into that episode ** | |
| [01:33:46] | skd5aner: | sphery, wagnerrp: yea, but it's at least been renewed... |
| [01:33:57] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:34:07] | skd5aner: | sphery: it'll "blow your mind".... <snicker> |
| [01:34:24] | sphery: | hehe, gotta finish it |
| [01:34:29] | skd5aner: | you'll get it later... it's a pun |
| [01:34:33] | skd5aner: | premptive pun |
| [01:37:24] | skd5aner: | hrm... ffmpeg bombing on decoding a stream in nuvexport :/ |
| [01:37:33] | skd5aner: | alright, off to waste time |
| [01:38:34] | sphery: | skd5aner: I'm getting a real "Auntie Em, Auntie Em," feeling now (they're on the helicoper... "You've had the power all along.") |
| [01:39:33] | holists: | sphery: I thought that was awfully Wizard of Oz |
| [01:39:48] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:40:41] | holists: | sphery: still on heli? |
| [01:41:20] | sphery: | not now |
| [01:41:26] | sphery: | at the next place |
| [01:42:14] | holists: | seemed a bit high to jump, didn't it? |
| [01:42:22] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
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| [01:42:35] | sphery: | they landed better than I'd have expected from that height |
| [01:42:54] | hi^: | will mythtv work on vista ? |
| [01:44:03] | sphery: | you'll pretty much have to have a GNU/Linux system for the backend (that records--you might be able to use BSD or Mac OS X, but they're much harder to use for backend), and then you can probably get a frontend (player) working on Vista |
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| [01:46:06] | hi^: | computer is windows what other dvr should look at that works on windows ? |
| [01:50:33] | holists: | hi^: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_PVR_software_packages |
| [01:51:24] | sphery: | OK, that was clearly a series finale with a "oh, really, we get another half season" tacked on to the end |
| [01:52:13] | holists: | sphery: up to the last september scene it was supposed to be the finale |
| [01:52:19] | hi^: | thanks |
| [01:52:22] | sphery: | (but I think I know what next season is about... and if they didn't get that half season, I'd have remained confused about one episode from this season) |
| [01:52:29] | sphery: | holists: yeah, that's exactly what it looked like |
| [01:53:02] | holists: | sphery: at least they didn't have september do the bit at the end of "back to the future" (come with me – it's your kids!) |
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| [01:53:10] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
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| [02:03:57] | holists: | 3rd try.. can anyone help with a problem building myth rpms from myth_build.sh? |
| [02:06:26] | sphery: | holists: you should probably also try on the mailing list... I know there are quite a few people using the rpm build script that hang out on the lists |
| [02:06:43] | sphery: | (not saying you won't find someone here, but saying you will find someone there :) |
| [02:07:18] | holists: | sphery: was hoping maybe to attract the attention of xris |
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| [02:11:13] | sphery: | yeah, not sure what he's up to... might be out having a life? :) |
| [02:11:58] | holists: | maybe I should try my other question: I use "ALSA:hdmi:CARD=Intel,DEV=0" for my audio output device. I have an analog capture card and I'm trying to use "ALSA:front:CARD=HVR950Q,DEV=0" for my input audio device (per arecord -L). Is that valid syntax? |
| [02:13:26] | holists: | having a life is overrated ;-) |
| [02:13:29] | sphery: | not sure if the alsa input support goes any farther than ALSA:default |
| [02:14:16] | sphery: | can you just set that as the default in alsa and test with ALSA:default, then try to get fancier? |
| [02:18:37] | holists: | what's the easiest way to set it as default? |
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| [02:24:04] | sphery: | I think you can do so through alsamixer |
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| [02:41:01] | holists: | sphery: cannot see a way to set default device in alsamixer. can only display |
| [02:44:27] | sphery: | I think if you hit tab to go to capture side, then space on the one you want to use, it will |
| [02:53:31] | holists: | sphery: can tab to toggle to capture but use F6 to choose card. just displays, doesn't set |
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| [02:56:27] | sphery: | ah, if it's not card 0, you'd likely have to do something with your asoundrc |
| [02:58:27] | holists: | sphery: tried this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced . . . pture_Device but I'm not sure what card to set |
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| [08:12:11] | GlemSom: | [R], the _ONLY_ thing that can trigger that, is if the program-guide get's corrupted I guess ? |
| [08:12:17] | [R]: | is your backend woefully underpowered? |
| [08:13:12] | GlemSom: | I take a backup of the database every night, maybe I can restore it – and have a closer look ? |
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| [08:29:41] | GlemSom: | [R], Is there a better way to check a recording rule? I don't understand why it does not match the show ? |
| [08:30:34] | [R]: | first you said it does match |
| [08:30:38] | [R]: | now you say it doesnt' match |
| [08:30:40] | [R]: | make up your mind |
| [08:31:26] | GlemSom: | [R], According to "Upcomming Recordings" yesterday, it matched. According to the "Program Guide" in mythweb it does not match. Accoding to the rule text "Any time on this channel" it should match... |
| [08:31:40] | GlemSom: | I don't know what to think... |
| [08:32:00] | [R]: | ok well its after the fact |
| [08:32:08] | [R]: | so its proabbly not gonna say anyting useful now |
| [08:33:15] | [R]: | and you still didn't answer the question |
| [08:33:21] | [R]: | [01:12:17] [R] is your backend woefully underpowered? |
| [08:33:33] | GlemSom: | [R], No, it's not underpowered |
| [08:34:28] | GlemSom: | I've never had any performance issued with it |
| [08:36:26] | GlemSom: | [R], Even-though I have a database dump, there's no way to debug WHY the recording was skipped ? :( |
| [08:36:33] | [R]: | not really |
| [08:36:50] | [R]: | the scheduler information is in memory |
| [08:37:24] | GlemSom: | And mythweb relies a lot on the backend... (Which I cannot set the time back, and restore the database... As it's in use) |
| [08:47:48] | GlemSom: | I would think the "record" table stores the "Upcoming recordings". Where in the database do I find shows, that match a rule, but for other reasons are disabled? (Like duplicates or manually disabled shows) |
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| [08:50:59] | [R]: | as i told you |
| [08:51:03] | [R]: | the scheulder is in memory |
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| [08:51:50] | GlemSom: | But, when I mark a show as "Do not record this show"... It MUST be stored somewhere... ? I don't believe a mythbackend restart would cancel that request? |
| [08:52:17] | [R]: | thats marked in the table |
| [08:52:23] | [R]: | but thats you telling it somethign |
| [08:52:27] | [R]: | thats not it making the decision by itself |
| [08:55:31] | esperegu: | for a backend do the extra threads on a core i7 compared to a core i5 improve performance? |
| [08:55:46] | [R]: | depends on what you are doing |
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| [08:56:27] | esperegu: | [R]: for multiple dvb-S2 tuners with decryption |
| [08:56:38] | [R]: | none of that is done in software |
| [08:56:58] | esperegu: | [R]: decryption is in my case. |
| [08:57:08] | [R]: | you are doing somethign very illegal then |
| [08:57:09] | esperegu: | [R]: were does the i7 help then? |
| [08:57:13] | [R]: | that myth doesnt support |
| [08:57:55] | esperegu: | [R]: unfortunately it is the only way to actually play the content I pay for. but that is not the issue here ;-). |
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| [08:58:07] | [R]: | unforuntately that is very offtopic here |
| [08:58:47] | esperegu: | I know. that's why I ask in which cases the threads of the i7 help |
| [08:58:59] | [R]: | you know its offtopic, yet you persist |
| [08:59:10] | GlemSom: | Decrypting is not per definition illegal (Though, is some countries it might be... But NOT everywhere) |
| [08:59:48] | esperegu: | although for me it is still weird that PVR software is blocking the way to actually pay for content to display it and then say they do it because it is illegal :-D very strange. |
| [08:59:53] | esperegu: | correct. |
| [09:00:06] | GlemSom: | Nor is it against the Terms-Of-Use everywhere... |
| [09:00:13] | [R]: | but it is against the rules here |
| [09:00:25] | esperegu: | I just want to know in which cases the extra threads of a i7 would make a difference. |
| [09:00:43] | esperegu: | u said that it depends on it's usage |
| [09:00:52] | GlemSom: | esperegu, Transcoding could help... But, I doubt you'll need the extra threads there. |
| [09:01:30] | esperegu: | so it is only for transcoding that mythtv uses extra threads? |
| [09:02:43] | GlemSom: | [R], Really? I just though piracy was against the rules... I didn't know talking about legal decryption was... ? |
| [09:02:53] | [R]: | softcam is very much illegal |
| [09:02:56] | [R]: | and very much offtopic |
| [09:04:07] | esperegu: | its the only way I managed to use a paid smartcard to get to work on mythtv.... If I cannot use mythtv to display TV then what good does it do ;-) |
| [09:04:15] | esperegu: | but lets stick to the thread question |
| [09:04:33] | GlemSom: | SoftCAM's are per definition NOT illegal... (Though, some odd countries do forbid them – that's NOT the case in the rest of the world) |
| [09:04:33] | esperegu: | [R]: can u specify in what cases more threads are usefull? |
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| [09:05:25] | [R]: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Softcam |
| [09:06:27] | esperegu: | [R]: u keep ensisting on it. I am just asking if you could clarify in general the uses u mentioned. |
| [09:06:36] | GlemSom: | [R], Fair enough. It's off-topic for this channel. Sorry about that. |
| [09:06:38] | esperegu: | [R]: pretty please ;-) |
| [09:07:03] | [R]: | esperegu: when you are doing a lot of things |
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| [09:09:48] | GlemSom: | [R], I've found a database dump, where the show is NOT in the "record" table... So, I guess that tells me the recording-rule for some odd reason does not match... I guess the only explination is that MythTV for some odd reason did not write to the database... Or miscalculated a recording... :/ |
| [09:10:48] | [R]: | the record table is the rules |
| [09:10:49] | [R]: | not the shows |
| [09:11:23] | tank-man: | bomb 911 assassinate jihad president softcam ;) |
| [09:11:38] | GlemSom: | lol |
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| [09:17:22] | AlMalaak: | hi |
| [09:17:34] | AlMalaak: | my mythtvuser is showing up on my login screen now? |
| [09:18:29] | [R]: | AlMalaak: ok? |
| [09:18:41] | AlMalaak: | man, [R] is in this channel too |
| [09:18:54] | AlMalaak: | how has this guy not been banned from the network |
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| [09:19:02] | [R]: | rofl |
| [09:21:23] | esperegu: | [R]: I found the entry 'Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows' and 'Allow live TV to move scheduled show' but those only seem to be reladed to recordings. (and I enabled them just to try and made no difference). You mean another option somewhere? |
| [09:21:39] | [R]: | esperegu: what? |
| [09:23:01] | esperegu: | [R]: I cannot display another channel else when I start one frontend and then add another. It will use the same content on both and show only the channels on the same transponder. using the 2 virtual decoders and not the second tuner |
| [09:23:35] | [R]: | yeah, theres more then those 2 options |
| [09:23:45] | [R]: | i have no clue what the option is, cuz livetv is stupid |
| [09:23:52] | [R]: | but i know theres an option |
| [09:24:56] | esperegu: | [R]: STUPID? there are things one prefers to watch live... like sports or live news ;-) |
| [09:25:17] | esperegu: | anybody knows where the option is [R] is refering to? |
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| [09:50:38] | esperegu: | :-( |
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| [10:06:26] | esperegu: | seems to be in playback ODS |
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| [10:16:33] | esperegu: | there is an option 'browsing across tuners' there. I can then select it (before I could not even browse throught the channels per ods) but it still sticks to the same multiplex. |
| [10:16:48] | esperegu: | so it does not select the other tuner when selecting another channel |
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| [10:18:55] | jya_: | is there an option to always record a series of show without having to manually force it for each individual episode? |
| [10:19:51] | jya_: | we have a TV series here (The Block) which uses the exact same name and episode name as last year series. so myth thinks it's been recorded already and skip it |
| [10:20:07] | jya_: | that's the 3rd episode we miss now , wife isn't happy :( |
| [10:21:29] | tank-man: | for the recording rule, under duplicate detection, pick a different setting |
| [10:23:37] | tank-man: | pick "don't match duplicates" |
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| [12:14:33] | StevenR: | Hi. I'm trying to follow http://iwtf.net/2010/01/05/enabling-interacti . . . s-on-mythtv/ but I can't find the correct menu option. Does anyone know where it is? I'm using the mythbuntu theme if that makes a difference |
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| [13:18:07] | esperegu: | how to set how agressively mythcommflag is running? it looks like it is running on my display box instead of my server and the livetv that is playing get's a bit buggy. |
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| [13:23:22] | bentech: | Hi, im trying to sort out some tv shows i use with videos but im not sure which format tv shows require is it TVSHOW.S01E01.avi ? |
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| [13:45:04] | knightr: | bentech, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing |
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| [14:02:07] | rmsbl: | i have two clearqam tuners... all the channels except 4 come in on both tuners... i've tried moving the splitter port, changing coax, etc., nothing works... is there a way to tell myth not to record these four channels on my first tuner? |
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| [14:12:31] | Guierrmo: | Is there any way to push off HLS encoding to another host similar to running mythjobqueue on a non backend? |
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| [15:39:25] | wagnerrp: | Guierrmo: no, you must have a powerful backend if you want to use HLS |
| [15:40:06] | dashs: | Getting errcode 09 from mysql temp file access from the scheduler after mysql code update on Debian 6 |
| [15:40:41] | wagnerrp: | sphery: WTF is wrong with people |
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| [15:41:03] | wagnerrp: | nevermind the fact everyone wants to run virtual machines for reasons they dont actually understand |
| [15:41:21] | wagnerrp: | a second thread about it starts up, not a day after the last post to the previous thread |
| [15:41:36] | wagnerrp: | dashs: could you pastebin the full error? |
| [15:41:43] | dashs: | ok |
| [15:42:55] | wizbit: | my devbox is a vm |
| [15:43:48] | dashs: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/y9dKTDDd |
| [15:46:18] | wagnerrp: | development, sure... but production? |
| [15:50:07] | wagnerrp: | dashs: is it possible you dont have write permission to /tmp ? |
| [15:51:32] | dashs: | wagnerrp: drwxrwxrwt should be right? |
| [15:53:04] | wagnerrp: | looks good |
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| [15:58:27] | jst_: | i spent a lot of time confiuring my clearqam channels... what's an easy way to back them up? i know very little about databases |
| [15:59:21] | Guierrmo: | The CPU I have is enough to handle one HLS, and since my back end doesn't do anything but schedule and record (HDHR) it will work for now. |
| [15:59:35] | Guierrmo: | AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 250 Processor |
| [16:00:21] | dashs: | wagnerrp: found this but don't fully understand it: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=60574 |
| [16:00:47] | wagnerrp: | jst_: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Re . . . abase_Backup |
| [16:00:59] | jst_: | wagnerrp: i don't want to back up the entire database, just the channels.... |
| [16:02:29] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
| [16:02:41] | jst_: | feel like i foobar'd enough of the rest of it |
| [16:03:14] | wagnerrp: | if you lose your database, you lose all your recordings |
| [16:03:51] | jst_: | i know |
| [16:03:53] | jst_: | i'm reintsalling |
| [16:04:07] | jst_: | maybe --name [databasename] is the option i'm looking for? |
| [16:04:29] | jst_: | wait, nope |
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| [16:34:44] | earthw0rm: | Is it bad if the mythtv box is set to suspend/hibernate? Will it wake up to do recordings? |
| [16:36:06] | wagnerrp: | it will if you configure mythtv to manage suspend/hibernate for you, rather than doing it through some external shutdown mechanism |
| [16:37:02] | earthw0rm: | The PC seems to be off, I presume Fedora defaults to hibernating, either that or it's died |
| [16:37:21] | earthw0rm: | wagnerrp: Are those settings in the frontend setup or backend? |
| [16:37:35] | wagnerrp: | backend |
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| [16:58:20] | dashs: | wagnerrp: thanks, looks like I'm done with mythtv unless I use another distro there. |
| [17:00:20] | wagnerrp: | seems rather drastic for what appears to be a fairly simple problem |
| [17:00:59] | wagnerrp: | surely someone somewhere runs a mysql server on debian |
| [17:01:23] | dashs: | wagnerrp: it's not mythtv — I need some ohter version of mysqld, or the libc6 that services. |
| [17:02:22] | wagnerrp: | right, and with how large both mysql and debian are, i cant believe the two never cross that someone hasnt fixed the problem |
| [17:03:16] | dashs: | wagnerrp: one would think so. btw, how can you get an EBADF (9) while doing a creat? |
| [17:04:04] | wagnerrp: | because for whatever reason, mysql is not happy with the file permissions on the temporary directory you have configured for it to use |
| [17:04:33] | wagnerrp: | perhaps it runs prior to the init scripts flushing and recreating the tmp directory |
| [17:04:40] | wagnerrp: | so its trying to use something that no longer exists |
| [17:04:56] | wagnerrp: | try simply restarting the mysql server |
| [17:05:57] | dashs: | wagnerrp: done that a bunch. |
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| [17:06:57] | dashs: | wagnerrp: I've moved it from /tmp to /var/tmp — no joy. |
| [17:07:23] | wagnerrp: | perhaps talk to some debian/mysql people |
| [17:07:37] | wagnerrp: | usually debian is recommended against for mythtv |
| [17:07:58] | dashs: | wagnerrp: Maybe I'll make a custom dir just for user 'mythtv' |
| [17:08:05] | wagnerrp: | since the ideals of debian are to use completely free, open source, unpatented software |
| [17:08:31] | wagnerrp: | while installing mythtv, and all the media format support it needs, is a direct affront to those ideals |
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| [17:13:50] | esperegu: | is it possible to do a title search recording on specific channels? |
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| [17:14:04] | uh992k: | good evening |
| [17:14:45] | wagnerrp: | esperegu: if not, you can always write a power rule to do it |
| [17:15:55] | uh992k: | I had a look into the scheduler ... does "((TIME_TO_SEC(RECTABLE.starttime) = TIME_TO_SEC(program.starttime)) " // timeslot matches" consider the "start-early" time? |
| [17:16:11] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: where can u do that? I mean how to add those rules and where can I find more on the format for those? |
| [17:16:48] | wagnerrp: | there is a mechanism in the Manage Recordings in the frontend to create them |
| [17:17:01] | wagnerrp: | basically, you're performing your own SQL lookup to do whatever you need |
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| [17:18:37] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: not in mythweb? |
| [17:19:15] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe you can create power rules in mythweb |
| [17:19:40] | uh992k: | you can edit existing though |
| [17:19:47] | uh992k: | but it seems you can't create new ones |
| [17:20:31] | uh992k: | or convert simple recordings to power-search like it is possible with "custom edit" in the fronend |
| [17:22:00] | esperegu: | uh992k: not much changes when i select power search instead of title search |
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| [17:22:14] | iamwizbit: | thats better |
| [17:22:57] | esperegu: | uh992k: I get a bigger box though. should I add some specific format query tehre? any link to info on the format? |
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| [17:24:15] | uh992k: | where? in the web-frontend or the normal one? |
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| [17:29:21] | uh992k: | is there a way to automatically deleted "single-record"-rules when they became obsolete? |
| [17:30:26] | uh992k: | or what's the reason of keeping old rules in the scheduling list? |
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| [17:34:22] | esperegu: | uh992k: using mythweb |
| [17:34:28] | user12321: | hi everyone – i just upgraded to 0.25 from 0.24-fixes and now have an issue with live tv freezing after approximately a minute of playback. i also noticed that new recordings are putting multiple files in the recording listing without any content. any thoughts? |
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| [17:42:21] | user12321: | if i let live tv go it will ultimately crash back to the menu and let me know the frame buffer failed too many times |
| [17:52:34] | earthw0rm: | I rebooted my mythtv after setting the backend to launch through the startup scripts, and the frontend to load when the user autologs in. Now when I turn the PC on, the front end pops up with the first time wizard asking me to choose a language |
| [17:52:39] | earthw0rm: | What might have happened here? |
| [17:55:32] | esperegu: | I see it is possible to select flag commercials on a search basis. Is it also possible to define that there are no commercials in between but mythtv has to find the start and end of the program by flagging commercials? |
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| [18:01:16] | user12321: | figured it out. the backend was restarting for some reason |
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| [18:10:39] | sphery: | uh992k: single-record rules are automatically removed after a successful recording... are yours being marked as "damaged"? |
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| [18:11:44] | sphery: | uh992k: if it's "good enough", even though damaged, you can always go to Manage Recordings|Recording Rules, then find the rule and select it, then change it to "Do not record this program" |
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| [18:14:40] | earthw0rm: | Weird, my backend is set to start as a service, and it seems it managed to start after the frontend |
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| [18:17:48] | uh992k: | sphery: with marked as damaged you mean an orange border? |
| [18:24:40] | sphery: | depends on the theme, but if most of your recordings (or at least old, pre-0.25 ones aren't orange, then yeah) |
| [18:25:29] | uh992k: | ah k ... good to know mythtv recognizes bad recordings |
| [18:25:38] | uh992k: | indeed I had trouble with my dvb-t antenna |
| [18:25:53] | uh992k: | about the time slack patch for timeslot recording |
| [18:26:12] | uh992k: | I still like the idea ... you told me that you didn't had a good value for the slack |
| [18:26:21] | uh992k: | 2h is not a good choice, of course |
| [18:26:33] | uh992k: | I would suggest "start offset" and "end offset" :) |
| [18:26:43] | uh992k: | it's perfect for this purpose |
| [18:27:13] | sphery: | no, those have their own purpose |
| [18:27:41] | sphery: | and, again, since custom rules allow doing whatever slack a particular user wants, they work for those small number who need "record sometime around this time" rules |
| [18:27:55] | uh992k: | and again, it's too complicated :) |
| [18:28:11] | uh992k: | today I had to program a couple of shows and had to cope with the scheduler about 30min long |
| [18:28:37] | uh992k: | there isn't even an simple option to select a single day like "monday" |
| [18:28:59] | uh992k: | and I don't want to read SQL manuals because the scheduler can't do something simple like this |
| [18:29:13] | uh992k: | am I the only person who thinks the scheduler is too complicated? |
| [18:30:29] | SteveGoodey: | Seems easy to me, I just pick a programme from a list and then pick an option depending on if it's weekly/daily etc. |
| [18:30:30] | uh992k: | I just want to go in my EPG, select my show and press on "record this" ... and this doesn't work like it is now |
| [18:30:56] | uh992k: | uhm ... sorry ... "record this" works |
| [18:31:11] | uh992k: | but "record this every day" or "record this every monday" doesn't work out of the box |
| [18:31:55] | uh992k: | because sometimes it chooses to record a repetition in the morning and then it doesn't want to record the new episode on evenings because 24h havn't passed yet |
| [18:32:28] | uh992k: | can't be this way, sorry :) |
| [18:33:11] | SteveGoodey: | Perhaps you want the telepathy plugin? :-) |
| [18:33:50] | uh992k: | no, I just want to go in my EPG and select "record this daily in this timeslot" but timeslot-recording does something else and is not tolerant for time shifts |
| [18:34:50] | uh992k: | and I don't want crazy deduplication methods ... I just want to record it in the timeslot regardless of anything else |
| [18:34:50] | sphery: | uh992k: it's only a problem for you because you refuse to use "any time" rules because you want to tell the scheduler to do something your way instead of its way |
| [18:35:14] | uh992k: | yes, but I won't let it to rule me ... |
| [18:35:36] | uh992k: | and I always have to decide if a show is a generic or not |
| [18:35:37] | uh992k: | and and and |
| [18:35:50] | sphery: | anyway, I'm very much against adding more complexity to the scheduler/creating recording rules for a feature that's generally not needed by most users |
| [18:35:54] | uh992k: | I can't use it reliably this way because I have to take care too much |
| [18:36:03] | sphery: | the custom rules are the "do it my way" rules |
| [18:36:23] | uh992k: | k, then there should be a way to do them more easily |
| [18:36:43] | uh992k: | perhaps like macros ... |
| [18:36:44] | sphery: | we're hoping to make one, eventually, but it takes time |
| [18:36:54] | sphery: | the filters were the first step, but they don't allow user input |
| [18:37:33] | sphery: | eventually, we may have more of an "a la carte" approach to building a custom rule that doesn't rely on SQL and that asks users for values using real languages |
| [18:37:53] | uh992k: | I thought something like this ... |
| [18:37:55] | sphery: | but for now, it's either "use the scheduler's decision making, or create a custom rule using the SQL editor" |
| [18:38:35] | uh992k: | hmm ... |
| [18:39:21] | uh992k: | it's incredible that a scheduler can make such problems :) I feel really stupid :) |
| [18:42:02] | uh992k: | btw ... why are starttime and startdate seperated fields? couldn't they have been a single field of type timestamp? |
| [18:42:20] | uh992k: | uhm ... in the database of course |
| [19:01:09] | uh992k: | strange ... but program.starttime ist datetime |
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| [19:07:35] | uh992k: | I think I have the solution for my scheduling problems |
| [19:07:43] | uh992k: | but I don't know if power search can do this |
| [19:07:48] | uh992k: | partially it already does it |
| [19:07:50] | dekarl: | uh992k: you want to patch the eitscanner to drop the guide when your pc is turned off on the floor. the everything will automagically work as you like :D |
| [19:08:26] | uh992k: | when I get in my EPG -> Menu -> recording options -> custom edit the custom-edit dialog appears |
| [19:08:45] | uh992k: | this dialog already suggests a small template with the right program.title of the show |
| [19:08:59] | uh992k: | are there macros for e.g. day_of_week or starttime and endtime? |
| [19:09:20] | sphery: | you create your own template and save it |
| [19:09:50] | uh992k: | then I could simply select my clause from sample-clause which would look like "program.title like "$TITLE" and hour(starttime) > $STARTIME" or soemthing like this |
| [19:10:00] | sphery: | then you can push that button--just like the built in buttons--to add your where clause with time |
| [19:10:03] | uh992k: | I hope you understand what I mean |
| [19:10:13] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:10:19] | uh992k: | there should be variables which could be in my clauses and which would then be evaluated |
| [19:10:20] | sphery: | which is what I suggested last time |
| [19:10:23] | uh992k: | that would be great |
| [19:10:31] | sphery: | build up your own stuff and save it then it's just hitting a button |
| [19:10:44] | uh992k: | no no ... not really |
| [19:10:51] | uh992k: | or I missed some documentation about |
| [19:11:13] | uh992k: | the suggested sample clause *knows* the program I selected |
| [19:11:19] | uh992k: | but where did it get information from? |
| [19:11:25] | uh992k: | and are there other variables I can use? |
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| [19:13:07] | uh992k: | my aim would be "program.title like "$TITLE" and program.starttime >= $STARTTIME and program.endtime <= $ENDTIME and program.date = $DATE" and the custom edit should evaluate this fields with the data of the program I selected in the epg |
| [19:13:57] | sphery: | why do you need date? |
| [19:14:05] | uh992k: | just an example |
| [19:14:24] | uh992k: | because I could have a sample clause which only wants to record on mondays |
| [19:14:45] | sphery: | = date would only record on one specific monday |
| [19:15:00] | uh992k: | yes of course ... then day_of_week = $DAYOFWEEK |
| [19:15:22] | uh992k: | such dynamic evaluation of variables would be really great and would solve all problems |
| [19:15:44] | uh992k: | the evaluator would then construct a mysql-statement which is then inserted in the database |
| [19:15:48] | sphery: | well, you're more likely to get the approach I mentioned than that one |
| [19:16:06] | sphery: | that one makes it harder because then you have to know SQL and mythtv's variables/"extensions" |
| [19:16:40] | uh992k: | hmm ... |
| [19:17:19] | sphery: | instead, it's more likely you'll hit a button, "Only on a specific channel," and then it will ask you for channel, giving a drop down of possible channels |
| [19:17:53] | uh992k: | don't know if it really is better |
| [19:18:07] | uh992k: | than you would need another dropdown for the day and one for mo-fr and so on |
| [19:18:18] | sphery: | or whatever... "Only between times" and it asks you for start and end time |
| [19:18:37] | sphery: | no, it would just ask, based on those "templates" we provide |
| [19:18:44] | sphery: | it wouldn't be extra fields always on |
| [19:18:55] | sphery: | when you use it, it would get the data it needs |
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| [19:19:06] | sphery: | and the user would never see SQL |
| [19:19:18] | uh992k: | from where would the data come? |
| [19:19:23] | uh992k: | from the show I selected in my epg? |
| [19:19:32] | sphery: | ask the user |
| [19:19:54] | sphery: | you can't get the data for "between 5 and 9 pm" from the epg |
| [19:20:40] | uh992k: | why not? |
| [19:20:40] | sphery: | anyway, to create your own templates, just hit Store in the custom rule editor |
| [19:21:21] | sphery: | because if you take start/end time from the EPG, why are you even using custom rules |
| [19:21:41] | uh992k: | :D |
| [19:21:42] | sphery: | the custom rule is to allow /you/ (specifically since you're the guy who wants it) to say, "Only record it in the evening" |
| [19:21:54] | sphery: | regardless of what time it starts |
| [19:22:27] | uh992k: | don't know if lots of static rules are a good idea |
| [19:22:35] | uh992k: | I'd like dynamic evaluation^^ |
| [19:23:27] | sphery: | I thought your whole idea was, "only if it's on in the time during the evening that I turn on the computer so I don't waste $0.03/wk on power by letting it wake up and record in the morning" |
| [19:23:36] | uh992k: | I think I'll have a close look in the source and first find out how the sample clause "match an exact title" know which show was selected in the epg |
| [19:24:04] | sphery: | if so, create one stored template /you/ can use that works for you that allows you to say, "only between X and Y times" |
| [19:24:07] | uh992k: | no, it's currently running 24/7 |
| [19:24:22] | uh992k: | but I don't want static constants |
| [19:24:35] | uh992k: | variables which depend on the show I selected in the epg is better |
| [19:25:51] | sphery: | again, the EPG has no idea that you only want to record shows between 2 arbitrary times |
| [19:25:57] | sphery: | I don't get how that could come from EPG |
| [19:26:03] | uh992k: | then I could program something like to_seconds(program.starttime) >= to_seconds($STARTTIME) – 500 |
| [19:26:21] | sphery: | you can do all that in your stored SQL |
| [19:26:31] | uh992k: | no |
| [19:26:34] | sphery: | (just with a SQL syntax)] |
| [19:26:36] | sphery: | why not? |
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| [19:26:44] | uh992k: | $STARTTIME would be a constant, woudln't it? |
| [19:27:01] | uh992k: | this has to come from the epg |
| [19:27:42] | uh992k: | obviously the epg hands the title to the custom edit dialog over |
| [19:27:51] | uh992k: | so, why not day_of_week or date and starttime? |
| [19:28:51] | uh992k: | the user wouldn't have to work with variables |
| [19:29:01] | uh992k: | because the variable-names would only be stored in the sample clauses |
| [19:29:13] | uh992k: | and they would have been evaluated bevor they are used |
| [19:29:18] | uh992k: | that's not difficult |
| [19:29:34] | uh992k: | the custom edit dialog already does this with program.title |
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| [19:29:58] | sphery: | if you're saying "pull the information out of the particular episode's program data as selected from the EPG", then they're not variables... they're values from the EPG |
| [19:30:10] | sphery: | they'd be stored as those values in the rule that's written to the DB |
| [19:30:21] | uh992k: | you don't understand :) |
| [19:30:27] | sphery: | anyway, it doesn't matter because we're not working on this feature yet |
| [19:30:31] | uh992k: | okay, again ... epg -> menu -> recording options -> custom edit |
| [19:30:37] | sphery: | because we have a lot of other things going on |
| [19:31:02] | sphery: | and for now, you can do any kind of scheduling you like using the custom rule editor |
| [19:31:06] | uh992k: | then I will have to do it on my own and to do a patch for |
| [19:31:06] | sphery: | but it's not easy |
| [19:31:14] | sphery: | easy is to let the scheduler schedule for you |
| [19:31:22] | sphery: | which is what most people do |
| [19:32:01] | uh992k: | I know you have this oppinion |
| [19:32:20] | uh992k: | I'll integrate this dynamic evaluation myself ... |
| [19:32:24] | uh992k: | can't be difficult |
| [19:34:08] | bensz: | Hello, I have a little problem with mythtv and in the french mailing list, the moderator suggest me to explain it here |
| [19:34:43] | bensz: | My problem is mythmusic see only a part of ID tag |
| [19:34:58] | wagnerrp: | is this 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [19:35:06] | bensz: | 0.25 |
| [19:35:20] | bensz: | I had a 0.23 and no problem |
| [19:35:57] | bensz: | Now with 0.25, mythmusic see only tags for about 100 songs and not 7000 |
| [19:36:35] | uh992k: | sphery: it's simple ... in customedit there is m_baseTitle = mpginfo->GetTitle() ... this is the way the title comes into custom edit |
| [19:36:37] | wagnerrp: | someone else mentioned this |
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| [19:36:49] | uh992k: | it's trivial to exetend it with some variable evaluation |
| [19:36:54] | bensz: | the weird thing is for nearly all album where it found tags, it found only for 1st song |
| [19:36:57] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can think of is its only reading ID3, or ID3v2, but not both |
| [19:38:02] | bensz: | but albums were tag identically for all songs |
| [19:38:13] | bensz: | the 1st like others |
| [19:38:20] | sphery: | uh992k: seems we're just unable to figure out how to do it |
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| [19:38:48] | uh992k: | sphery: and a couple of lines later, the first sample clause is constructed with the title: rule.description = QString("program.title = '%1' ").arg(quoteTitle); |
| [19:39:02] | sphery: | either that or maybe we're concentrating on other things that /can't/ be done before working on doing something that can already be done |
| [19:39:41] | uh992k: | I'm a good programmer ... why shoudln't I do it and release a patch? |
| [19:39:54] | uh992k: | I didn't say to you you have to do it |
| [19:40:11] | sphery: | I'm just saying the problem is not that we don't know how to do it |
| [19:40:24] | uh992k: | but you have no time to do it ... So I do it |
| [19:40:27] | sphery: | it's that a) we don't have infinite time |
| [19:40:53] | sphery: | b) we carefully consider whether to add built-in templates or not because there are already enough that most users get bored and don't scroll through/read the ones we have |
| [19:41:16] | sphery: | and c) not that many people seem to need "record it at the time of the program I've selected +/- X minutes" |
| [19:41:29] | uh992k: | no, it's a lot more than this |
| [19:41:30] | sphery: | when d) X minutes is /still/ undefined |
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| [19:41:39] | uh992k: | it's not restricted on such cases |
| [19:42:12] | uh992k: | you would select a show in the epg and you could then select your "record only on this day" template and the day_of_week would be evaluated depending on the show you selected |
| [19:42:13] | sphery: | and e) some of us waste too much time talking on irc so we don't get a chance to work on the code |
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| [19:43:12] | sphery: | but there's currently no "only on this day" template |
| [19:43:26] | uh992k: | right ... because it's not possible like it is now |
| [19:43:31] | sphery: | and we already have too many templates for the "scroll through then select when you find one that's close to what you want" |
| [19:43:37] | uh992k: | with dynamic evaluation its easy and usefull |
| [19:44:13] | uh992k: | and it's a maximum of a couple of hours to integrate it ... I'll do it the next day ... and I'll submit as a patch |
| [19:44:22] | uh992k: | perhaps you are interested ... if not I don't care |
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| [19:44:51] | sphery: | All you seem to be saying is, "add a new template that does what I want" |
| [19:44:53] | uh992k: | with "the next day", I mean "the next dayS" |
| [19:44:53] | sphery: | nothing new |
| [19:45:06] | sphery: | it's the same as rule.title = tr("Match an exact title"); |
| [19:45:13] | uh992k: | I think you don't want to understand what I'm suggesting |
| [19:45:19] | sphery: | except you want, "only on this day of the week" |
| [19:45:36] | sphery: | or "only if it starts within X minutes of the time of this airing" |
| [19:45:38] | sphery: | or whatever |
| [19:45:42] | sphery: | which means more templates |
| [19:45:52] | uh992k: | for instance ... the template would be variable-based like day_of_week(program.starttime) = $DAYOFWEEK |
| [19:46:00] | uh992k: | it's trivial to integrate |
| [19:46:05] | sphery: | and we try to limit templates to things that are unique enough to show the different types of things people can do |
| [19:46:18] | sphery: | why do you need $DAYOFWEEK |
| [19:46:44] | uh992k: | because I can't tell the scheduler on which days it is supposed to record without doing a complex custom edit rule I have to enter with my remote control |
| [19:49:51] | uh992k: | there would also be benefit for doing power searches searching in all fields ... currently just the first rules are preinserted with the program.title ... why this special case? It wouldn't be needed to do this explizitly in hardcoded in the source when the fields could have evaluated dynamically |
| [19:50:18] | uh992k: | the "match in any descriptive field" is inconsistent to the first rule ... it's not filled with program.title |
| [19:50:30] | uh992k: | it would be much cleaner |
| [19:52:07] | uh992k: | also the "anytime on a specific day of the week" which is "dayname(program.starttime)='sunday'" ... why not dynamically since all informations are there? |
| [19:52:24] | uh992k: | but not hardcoded in the source ... with variables! |
| [19:52:32] | sphery: | uh992k: so I'm saying you want something like: http://pastebin.com/1iWenStB , but it's not unique enough to warrant a whole new template in our already-too-long list |
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| [19:53:08] | sphery: | especially since its only benefit is to allow you to save a couple button presses on your remote or save pulling out the wireless keyboard |
| [19:53:20] | uh992k: | yes, that's a good reason |
| [19:53:26] | sphery: | good for you |
| [19:53:32] | uh992k: | good for everyone |
| [19:53:46] | sphery: | not for the 100K people who don't need that template and now have to scroll over it every single time |
| [19:53:49] | uh992k: | why not prefill the templates with good date? |
| [19:53:52] | uh992k: | a |
| [19:54:04] | user12321: | hi everyone i'm trying to enable network remote control under 0.25. i have the option checked under setting and left the default port. still i get connection refused. any ideas? |
| [19:54:05] | sphery: | because none of the existing templates /need/ any good data from the EPG |
| [19:54:09] | sphery: | rule.title = tr("Match words in the title"); |
| [19:54:22] | uh992k: | they already have to scroll over it ... you could change the existing for use with variables and nothing more would be needed |
| [19:54:25] | sphery: | maybe I'll just pick a random word from the title and /hope/ that's the one the user wants to match? |
| [19:54:30] | uh992k: | everyone can add his own templates if needed |
| [19:55:11] | sphery: | rule.title = tr("Match this episode"); |
| [19:55:17] | sphery: | already uses data from the EPG |
| [19:55:24] | sphery: | rule.title = tr("Match an exact episode"); |
| [19:55:27] | uh992k: | yes, one of the view |
| [19:55:29] | sphery: | does |
| [19:55:32] | uh992k: | but what's this? |
| [19:55:33] | uh992k: | rule.description = QString("(program.title LIKE '%Japan%' \n" |
| [19:55:33] | uh992k: | " OR program.subtitle LIKE '%Japan%' \n" |
| [19:55:33] | uh992k: | " OR program.description LIKE '%Japan%') "); |
| [19:55:38] | uh992k: | that's nonsense ... |
| [19:55:39] | sphery: | er, technically: rule.title = tr("Match this episode"); |
| [19:55:40] | sphery: | does |
| [19:55:54] | uh992k: | it shoudln't be hardcoded in the source |
| [19:56:01] | uh992k: | that's just a hack |
| [19:56:05] | sphery: | uh992k: what value should we use instead of '%Japan%' |
| [19:56:14] | sphery: | rule.title = tr("Match in any descriptive field"); |
| [19:56:22] | sphery: | without knowing /what/ to match... |
| [19:56:33] | uh992k: | okay, this rule could be untouched ;) |
| [19:56:47] | sphery: | actually, every single one that /could/ use data from the listings does |
| [19:56:52] | sphery: | rule.title = tr("Anytime on a specific day of the week"); |
| [19:56:54] | sphery: | does |
| [19:57:02] | sphery: | rule.title = tr("Only on a specific station"); |
| [19:57:03] | sphery: | does |
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| [19:57:18] | uh992k: | this anytime on a specific day of the week rule should use the dayofweek of the selected show |
| [19:57:20] | sphery: | rule.title = tr("Match related callsigns"); |
| [19:57:33] | uh992k: | but not implemented with if then else |
| [19:57:35] | sphery: | doesn't, but could, but what part of the callsign would we choose? |
| [19:57:59] | sphery: | rule.description = QString("DAYNAME(program.starttime) = '%1' ") |
| [19:57:59] | sphery: | .arg(m_pginfo->GetScheduledStartTime().toString("dddd")); |
| [19:58:03] | uh992k: | I didn't say you have to change every single rule ... if senseless or not |
| [19:58:05] | sphery: | rule.title = tr("Anytime on a specific day of the week"); |
| [19:58:14] | sphery: | does use the day from the listings |
| [19:58:53] | uh992k: | yes, but it could be implemented more versatile |
| [19:59:14] | uh992k: | but you obviously don't need this |
| [19:59:19] | sphery: | yeah, by having a full-fledged template based approach |
| [19:59:22] | sphery: | where users choose a template |
| [19:59:22] | uh992k: | you and the other 100k users you talked about |
| [19:59:29] | sphery: | then we provide another row in a list |
| [19:59:46] | sphery: | and on that row, instead of showing SQL, we show: "Only on a specific day: " [Tuesday] |
| [20:00:05] | sphery: | and then they select Tuesday and hit UP/DOWN to get Wednesday/Monday/whatever |
| [20:00:29] | sphery: | which is where we want to go eventually, but it's not at the top of anyone's TODO list, yet |
| [20:00:40] | uh992k: | hmm |
| [20:01:25] | sphery: | especially since custom rules are the exception and not the rule for 99.9999% of users |
| [20:01:35] | sphery: | most users do a record at any time on any channel |
| [20:01:43] | sphery: | and maybe apply one or more filters |
| [20:02:04] | sphery: | those who want to control the scheduling decisions are allowed to use custom rules |
| [20:02:22] | sphery: | but they pay the price for usurping control in loss of convenience |
| [20:02:41] | uh992k: | but this doesn't have to be unconvenient |
| [20:02:48] | uh992k: | in |
| [20:03:01] | sphery: | no, but it does require someone willing to devote a /lot/ of volunteer time toward it |
| [20:03:11] | sphery: | and we only have so much volunteer time |
| [20:03:33] | uh992k: | hmm |
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| [20:03:55] | sphery: | if you do have some ideas, feel free to create patches |
| [20:04:06] | sphery: | but remember that we'll make decisions based on some other criteria, too |
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| [20:04:41] | sphery: | (such as "we already have 30+ templates, and we don't want too many more" or whatever) |
| [20:04:41] | uh992k: | I never doubted this :) and I won't ever expect anything else |
| [20:05:10] | uh992k: | I already told you that you won't have more templates ... but a cleaner code and a more versatile approach |
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| [20:05:33] | uh992k: | and some additional options for doing my power-templates as I like them ;) |
| [20:05:35] | sphery: | well, I look forward to seeing you patch |
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| [20:05:46] | sphery: | since I don't see how any of the existing templates could be more variable |
| [20:06:09] | sphery: | as all the ones that should pull data from the listings, already |
| [20:06:20] | uh992k: | it's simple ... store a sample-clause in the database with variable-names and the variables are replaced on creating the custom edit dialog |
| [20:06:54] | uh992k: | then, it looks exactly the same as now but is more versatile |
| [20:07:34] | sphery: | what variables? |
| [20:07:51] | uh992k: | don't know yet ... $TITLE or something like that |
| [20:08:17] | sphery: | so you're saying for users typing in their own custom SQL |
| [20:08:25] | sphery: | they'd use $TITLE instead of typing, 'Nova'? |
| [20:08:38] | uh992k: | no |
| [20:08:41] | sphery: | in which case they'd have to learn SQL + learn your list of variables |
| [20:08:49] | uh992k: | but they could store templates with $TITLE |
| [20:09:02] | sphery: | ahh, for stored-to-the-database ones |
| [20:09:15] | sphery: | that might be interesting |
| [20:10:00] | uh992k: | and when selecting a show in the epg and doing a custom edit you wouldn't see anything about variables |
| [20:10:18] | sphery: | so, basically, the part I was missing was that you'd be using these for the user-specified custom templates |
| [20:10:27] | uh992k: | yes |
| [20:10:40] | sphery: | yeah, that is an interesting idea |
| [20:11:10] | uh992k: | I'll implement this features the next days ... |
| [20:11:37] | uh992k: | then I'll release a patch and you can have a look at it and decide what to do with it |
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| [20:32:48] | anykey_: | will a atom with ION 2 support bluray playback with true HD sound? |
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| [21:00:50] | sid3windr: | heh, atom. bluray. heh. |
| [21:11:25] | anykey_: | well the ion should do it? |
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