| Friday, May 11th, 2012, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:05] | a8s0lut0: | hi mythtv land! i'm having a bunch of problems with mythbuntu 12.04, is anyone available to help? specifically since I can't find a simple answer on either of the docs mentioned, i'd like to get audio configured over HDMI |
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| [00:26:21] | Seeker`: | a8s0lut0: try asking the question :) |
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| [00:27:57] | sean1: | hey guys just trying to write a quick firmwire script. I have 6200ch compiled and working when I use 6200ch -n 0 210. If I try to change it to GUID I am getting an error. SO "6200ch -g cc7d37fffXXXXX 210" yeilds the error "error parsing GUID command line parameter". I know my mistake is simple. Can anyone see it? |
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| [00:32:44] | sean1: | it is a dcx-3200m box |
| [00:33:09] | sean1: | I had to add the vender id to the script as well |
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| [00:43:40] | a8s0lut0: | ah, thanks Seeker` |
| [00:43:59] | a8s0lut0: | well, audio isn't working over HDMI, that's a problem |
| [00:44:30] | a8s0lut0: | i had setup some asound.conf file in the past which worked, but I can't find those instructions any more |
| [00:44:33] | Seeker`: | not sure if i can help, but it would be useful to describe exactly what happens, and what you have tried to fix it |
| [00:45:01] | Seeker`: | tried looking for the HDMI device in setup->audio? |
| [00:45:45] | Seeker`: | mine is ALSA:hdmi:CARD=NVidia_1,DEV=3 |
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| [00:53:21] | a8s0lut0: | ah, yeah i'm such a noob: didn't check the audio section of Setup |
| [00:53:34] | a8s0lut0: | ...in the front end. I'm trying to get audio to work @ OS level |
| [00:53:57] | a8s0lut0: | but anyway it did see ALSA:hw:CARD=PCH,DEV=1 |
| [00:54:04] | a8s0lut0: | doesn't test though |
| [00:54:18] | a8s0lut0: | recognizes my receiver though |
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| [00:55:57] | a8s0lut0: | however now it says "not valid device" or something |
| [00:56:09] | a8s0lut0: | gonna research the asound method again |
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| [02:29:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anyone got "Charter" cable – I think they're only in the New England area — if so, do you know if they're 'open' so a cablecard tuner would work OK with them? |
| [02:31:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | I will probably be moving, and there's no FiOS where I'm going... :-( So I will probably be stuck with Charter if I still want cable. :-( |
| [02:34:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | it's either that or go back to Dish... But if I want internet, Charter makes more sense! |
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| [02:47:08] | Korny2: | Good afternoon, quick question, when I add a program for recording but another person is watching it on another tv live it doesn't record, this seems to be a change from 0.24 for me, is there a setting I'm missing? I'm running 0.25 with fixes mythbuntu |
| [02:47:28] | wagnerrp: | analog or digital? |
| [02:47:31] | Korny2: | wagnerrp, I saw you asked if it was digital or anolog |
| [02:47:34] | Korny2: | lol sorry |
| [02:47:41] | Korny2: | Its from an HD home run OTA |
| [02:48:04] | wagnerrp: | if digital, it should just produce two independent recordings using two virtual tuners |
| [02:48:58] | Korny2: | I have the tuners set for 2 tuners per hd home tuner(if that makes sense) |
| [02:49:23] | Korny2: | well its just set as default setting for hdhome runs which i've never had an issue with |
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| [02:50:45] | Korny2: | So right now I have a total of 4 tuners with 1 hd home run ota box |
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| [03:00:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | gah, supposedly Charter is the provider, yet in the IM chat, they said they don't service that address... strange, I had cable there 20 years ago (it's my grandmother's house...) |
| [03:00:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | If I can't at least get cable, I'd be stuck with Dish and slow DSL... GAH! |
| [03:01:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | After having 35/35 for the last 2 years, I'd go insane with a 2Mbps link!!!!!!!!! |
| [03:02:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | I may be forced to OTA only and a 4G hotspot or something... at least it would be faster than DSL (although with limits – dang it!) |
| [03:09:30] | k-man: | is mythpreviewgen run by the backend? |
| [03:12:38] | jm|laptop: | yes and it segfaults all the time :) |
| [03:14:25] | k-man: | so log rotation for previegen's output could be included in the mythtv-backend log rotation script then |
| [03:14:41] | k-man: | s/output/logs |
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| [03:33:00] | wagnerrp: | k-man: no, output from child processes is currently nulled |
| [03:33:07] | wagnerrp: | they must provide their own logging |
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| [03:56:33] | Twiggy2cents: | Does the computer remove the +5v from the ps when it is in suspend? |
| [03:57:36] | Twiggy2cents: | Better yet, what do you think is the best way to be able to switch +5v on and off with a computer? I have tried a hub and the hub I have wont go to sleep. I have a parasitic device I want to be able to control |
| [03:57:54] | Twiggy2cents: | It is only supplying power to a relay |
| [03:58:02] | [R]: | i take 5v off a usb port |
| [03:58:09] | [R]: | some computers provide 5v while in suspend, some don't |
| [03:58:12] | [R]: | it depends on hte motherboard |
| [03:59:00] | Twiggy2cents: | Mine does. I would like it to at least turn off during suspend, but optimally I would like it to be controllable while running too. |
| [03:59:36] | k-man: | wagnerrp, my /var/log/mythtv folder was full of mythpreviewgen and mythmatalookup logs |
| [03:59:40] | k-man: | since upgrading to .25 |
| [04:00:05] | [R]: | you could use a serial port |
| [04:01:07] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont have one on that computer. I have a vga and dvi port though |
| [04:01:24] | Twiggy2cents: | *unused |
| [04:01:52] | [R]: | you cuold use a parallel port |
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| [04:06:27] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont have one on this computer. Just usb audio vga and dvi. I may look for something that I can hack to use to trigger the relay when it is put to sleep |
| [04:06:48] | Twiggy2cents: | so far a usb hub doesnt work, at least the one I have doesnt |
| [04:07:05] | [R]: | oh, well then get an analog to digital convertor |
| [04:07:09] | [R]: | and blast noise over the audio |
| [04:07:22] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:07:25] | Twiggy2cents: | lol |
| [04:08:40] | Twiggy2cents: | I have a usb mouse that I can put to suspend mode, I think I will use my dmm and try to find 5V on that |
| [04:08:48] | Twiggy2cents: | So far that seems most viable |
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| [04:17:11] | markcerv_: | Hi everyone. Has anyone else experienced/noticed a change in behavior when fast-forwarding in 0.25? Right after FFing, there is no audio for a second or so. |
| [04:17:34] | markcerv_: | I'm 99.9% sure it wasn't that way in 0.24. (I just upgraded today) |
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| [04:26:04] | firl: | Anyone have any experience with the UPnP backend system that might be able to help me figure out why mine isn't working? ( weird circumstance ) |
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| [04:41:00] | Oleg_: | I still want to know why there is no 11_1 channel in mythtv 0.25, but instead, that channel is called 11... |
| [04:41:10] | Oleg_: | 11 with 3 dots |
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| [04:41:44] | Oleg_: | that's what gets displayed when I press I in mythtv 0.25 while watching TV |
| [04:41:52] | [R]: | sounds like its getting cut off |
| [04:42:08] | Oleg_: | in mythtv 0.24, 11_1 was displayed when I pressed I |
| [04:42:15] | [R]: | and? |
| [04:42:40] | Oleg_: | and that's it; that's the only difference |
| [04:43:18] | Oleg_: | actually, no, 1... gets displayed when I press I |
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| [04:43:47] | [R]: | [09:41:52] [R] sounds like its getting cut off |
| [04:45:07] | Oleg_: | well, there are no reception problems when I tune to that channel |
| [04:45:13] | Oleg_: | so, dunno what you mean |
| [04:46:50] | [R]: | the label |
| [04:46:54] | ** [R] shakes his head ** | |
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| [10:06:12] | bentech: | Hi, I'm trying to get the mythmetadatalookup to work in 0.25 when i try mythmetadatalookup --refresh-all-artwork i get this http://pastebin.com/GMciTAnE |
| [10:07:11] | bentech: | I've tried doing the test command on the imdb scipt (user@Mythserver:/usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie$ ./tmdb.py -t Everything appears to be in order) |
| [10:09:49] | bentech: | This is a fresh install, mythbuntu 12.04 with 0.25 included |
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| [10:47:40] | bentech: | anyone have any ideas? |
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| [11:43:31] | natanojl: | bentech: Try mythmetadatalookup --refresh-all-artwork -v system. It should print the commands |
| [11:44:39] | bentech: | http://pastebin.com/EnVR4xZa |
| [11:45:41] | natanojl: | Heh, doesn't look quite right "/usr/share/mythtv -t" |
| [11:46:22] | bentech: | hmm i had a look at the source, it does gCoreContext->GetSetting("MovieGrabber", "metadata/Movie/tmdb.py"); |
| [11:47:34] | bentech: | does it need a db entry? |
| [11:48:53] | natanojl: | Yours is probably empty |
| [11:49:22] | natanojl: | You should probably go to Settings->Artwork and data sources in the frontend |
| [11:55:42] | bentech: | the fields are blank |
| [11:55:42] | bentech: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/454062/Screen%20Shot% . . . 12.57.09.png |
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| [11:59:22] | natanojl: | ok, strange |
| [12:01:02] | natanojl: | Maybe mythfrontend -v system will reveal something |
| [12:03:00] | bentech: | http://pastebin.com/C67Gejsf |
| [12:03:26] | bentech: | i get that when i enter the menu |
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| [12:13:54] | bentech: | I set a log on mysql and it isn't performing any queries |
| [12:14:23] | natanojl: | What does ls -lR /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/ print |
| [12:14:53] | bentech: | http://pastebin.com/G7nLCqyR |
| [12:18:42] | natanojl: | Hm, no Game directory there, yet your screenshot show that it found the MAWS grabber |
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| [12:37:24] | wagnerrp: | k-man: ok? |
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| [12:41:03] | natanojl: | bentech: I found the cause of "QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different thread." but I don't think it has anything to do with your problem |
| [12:41:10] | bentech: | oh |
| [12:41:14] | bentech: | what causes that? |
| [12:42:36] | k-man: | wagnerrp, ok what? about the logs? |
| [12:43:59] | bentech: | the imdb3 seemed to be causing some sort of internal error |
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| [12:46:17] | natanojl: | bentech: Performing UI operations from a thread other than the UI thread |
| [12:46:51] | bentech: | arm…. I'm not sure what to do with that info |
| [12:48:03] | natanojl: | I have a fix for that, but not for your problem |
| [12:49:11] | bentech: | Well i have to say that erm… the screenshot i took, is the only thing that i took from a different machine |
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| [12:49:26] | bentech: | so the menu that only shoed games was because it only had games |
| [12:49:52] | bentech: | the main machine does show the menu options and did fix that command i was trying |
| [12:51:19] | bentech: | but grabbing the details still isn't working on my video menu |
| [12:52:01] | natanojl: | ok |
| [12:54:01] | natanojl: | Which menu? From Watch recordings or Watch videos? |
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| [12:57:21] | bentech: | videos |
| [13:01:29] | bentech: | hmm the directory it has in the storage groups didn't exist |
| [13:05:14] | natanojl: | Are you just pressing W, or are you doing it from pressing I and then Change Video Details->Edit Details? |
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| [13:09:31] | bentech: | i am doing Info_button -> Change Video Details -> Retieve Details |
| [13:09:37] | bentech: | It grabs the text but doesn't update the image |
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| [13:19:18] | natanojl: | a complete log might help |
| [13:24:26] | bentech: | it was a noob permission error ;~ |
| [13:25:08] | bentech: | the IMDB button on the web interface doesn't seem to do anything though |
| [13:25:32] | bentech: | Fatal Error: IMDB was not enabled in the settings table. Please configure via the settings tab. |
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| [13:25:50] | bentech: | is this working in 0.25? |
| [13:27:43] | bentech: | as the whole system changed |
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| [13:48:14] | wagnerrp: | k-man: yeah |
| [13:48:50] | wagnerrp: | there is a script linked to on the wiki, and packaged with gentoo, to delete old instances of those logs |
| [13:49:17] | sphery: | and a logrotate configuration |
| [13:49:37] | wagnerrp: | can logrotate actually flush the old copies all on its own? |
| [13:49:53] | wagnerrp: | someone claimed it could, but i dont see how one would configure it |
| [13:50:09] | ** wagnerrp doesnt logrotate anymore ** | |
| [13:51:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Logging#Log_file_cleanup + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Logrotate_-_mythbackend and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Logrotate_-_mythfrontend |
| [13:52:15] | sphery: | it's actually using a find to delete old ones |
| [13:52:30] | sphery: | based on timestamp of file |
| [13:53:00] | sphery: | (so, in the example give, deletes files > 30days since rotate) |
| [13:54:22] | wagnerrp: | so it could delete the older rotated files in a set before the newer |
| [13:56:11] | ** wagnerrp sticks with live compression ** | |
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| [14:16:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: would always delete old ones... you wouldn't want it deleting new ones, would you? |
| [14:16:40] | sphery: | note that it's moving the log from /var/log/mythtv to /var/log/mythtv/old when it rotates, and it only ever deletes from "old" dir |
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| [14:24:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i mean it wont delete the whole set at once |
| [14:25:07] | wagnerrp: | it just deletes things that are 30 days old |
| [14:26:25] | sphery: | you could make it delete all of them if you like |
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| [14:43:22] | k-man: | wagnerrp, i was just saying i didn't understand why i had all those log files if as you say child process output is nulled |
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| [15:02:53] | k-man: | i've just been setting up log rotation too |
| [15:03:47] | k-man: | well, adjusting it for the new style of log files |
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| [15:18:38] | wagnerrp: | k-man: stdout/stderr from within the MythSystem class (for calling external applications) is nulled |
| [15:18:51] | wagnerrp: | meaning you no longer receive log events from external applications |
| [15:19:01] | wagnerrp: | so external applications are required to do their own logging |
| [15:19:06] | wagnerrp: | hence all the separate log files |
| [15:19:24] | wagnerrp: | technically, we could dump it all into one big file, but then you run into issues trying to separate out what is doing what |
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| [15:23:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ive had a draft of an email to that virtualization thread working for like two days now |
| [15:24:11] | wagnerrp: | i need to finish it and get it up there before it dies out... or attracts more people... |
| [15:24:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, I've been watching for a reply from you, but thought maybe you decided it's an unwinnable battle |
| [15:24:39] | wagnerrp: | you know, it really is |
| [15:24:48] | sphery: | I've kind of given up on many -users list fights... just not worth it |
| [15:25:11] | sphery: | I try to say, "you're cutting out stuff from the log that's important," and get called rude |
| [15:25:34] | sphery: | so it seems it's hardly worth the time I waste reading and attempting to help on there |
| [15:26:24] | sphery: | and since most of the fights are about things where people will fight just so they don't have to admit to being wrong, there's no way to win |
| [15:27:21] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [15:28:06] | wagnerrp: | well the point ive been trying to get across to people all this time is that they just arent using virtualization for it intended purpose |
| [15:28:19] | wagnerrp: | there merely using it to segregate installs for ease of management, and independent updating |
| [15:28:30] | wagnerrp: | which has nothing to do with virtualization |
| [15:28:49] | sphery: | (not that "winning" is the goal--more just trying to get people to think about what they're doing, and do things better when possible--rather than making things difficult for themselves and getting no benefit from it) |
| [15:28:55] | wagnerrp: | but theres the big argument "industry does it, so it must be right" |
| [15:29:02] | wagnerrp: | you cant fight that with reason |
| [15:29:08] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [15:29:31] | sphery: | or the "well, it might help someday" argument |
| [15:29:42] | wagnerrp: | i try to explain why industry is doing it for purposes other than their needs (or at least people doing it properly are) |
| [15:29:45] | wagnerrp: | but it goes ignored |
| [15:29:50] | sphery: | or the "well, I've been doing it for years and never saw any problems" argument |
| [15:29:59] | sphery: | or any of the other common arguments |
| [15:31:10] | sphery: | I still have 2 articles in my register "reading list" about desktop virtualization at home that I plan to get around to reading one of these days... |
| [15:31:27] | sphery: | I'm expecting them to be quite funny (and to further the "abuse virtualization because it's cool" cause) |
| [15:31:46] | sphery: | register = theregister.com/theregister.co.uk |
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| [15:52:06] | wagnerrp: | sphery: sent |
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| [16:01:00] | wagnerrp: | oooo... teasers for BG&E2 |
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| [16:21:40] | bentech: | Yay everything works with my mythtv setup now ;) |
| [16:22:00] | bentech: | thanks for the help everyone |
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| [16:22:57] | bentech: | Is it a know issue that the videos page flickers when you move around though? |
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| [16:44:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: forgot another argument, "nu-uh!" |
| [16:46:00] | sphery: | I still love the "consolidation" argument... Virtualization /does/ seem to be the only way to get a computer to run more than one program at a time... |
| [16:47:15] | ** sphery reboots his system from the IRC chat client back to the mail client so he can see if there are any updates ** | |
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| [16:56:39] | bentech: | When i go onto mythweb/tv/list it loads realllllllly sloooowly |
| [16:58:03] | sphery: | underpowered backend(s)? |
| [16:58:17] | sphery: | it has to generate (and send) previews for each recording |
| [16:58:33] | sphery: | you can always go into mythweb settings and change the number of recordings to display to something small (like 20) or something |
| [16:58:48] | bentech: | its not underpowered! |
| [16:58:53] | sphery: | or just "pre-populate" your browser cache with the previews |
| [16:59:11] | sphery: | sending 2000 previews via http takes time, and rendering a page with those takes even more time |
| [16:59:12] | bentech: | how does it generate previews from the program guide |
| [16:59:32] | sphery: | ah, tv list... I was thinking you meant recorded programs |
| [16:59:49] | ** sphery apologizes for not memorizing URIs ** | |
| [17:00:15] | bentech: | :D |
| [17:00:35] | bentech: | anyway i mean like 30secs till i see anything |
| [17:00:41] | bentech: | then it all loads straight away |
| [17:00:46] | bentech: | 0.24 was 1–2secs |
| [17:01:20] | sphery: | not sure what would cause that |
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| [17:06:04] | bentech: | hmm is the main list does as a ajax request/ |
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| [17:15:48] | bentech: | I've been following it through and $Callsigns = Channel::getCallsignList(); is lagging it |
| [17:16:50] | bentech: | sorry i meant $channel =& Channel::find($chanid); |
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| [17:23:04] | bentech: | hmm i can't find that method |
| [17:32:26] | kormoc: | bentech, what are you after? |
| [17:32:51] | bentech: | my myth web tv guide to load in under 1min |
| [17:33:25] | kormoc: | it's pretty much entirely database time. You'll want to optimize the database first before you push time into the code |
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| [17:37:26] | luyang: | Hi all! :D |
| [17:37:28] | luyang: | I just bough an EyeTV hybrid and wonder if I can use MythTV to record tv shows via script/command line |
| [17:37:28] | luyang: | 19:34 |
| [17:38:21] | sphery: | luyang: I don't know anything about EyeTV hybrid, but MythTV does recording for you so that you don't need command-line/script-based hacks |
| [17:38:38] | luyang: | but I thought it might be fun to schedule recordings via ssh |
| [17:38:46] | luyang: | that is what I am looking for |
| [17:38:49] | sphery: | that said, there are many fora/list posts discussing EyeTV Hybrid + mythtv |
| [17:38:57] | bentech: | Query took 0.0014 sec |
| [17:39:03] | luyang: | oh I googled and didnt find much about it |
| [17:39:16] | sphery: | there's no interface for creating new schedules via command line (or even bindings or protocol or anything) |
| [17:39:32] | luyang: | i see |
| [17:39:40] | sphery: | luyang: best approach would be to set up MythWeb and use it to schedule recordings remotely, like when traveling |
| [17:39:41] | luyang: | hmm so it is not what I am looking for hten |
| [17:39:59] | luyang: | I see I wonder why theres no command line interface |
| [17:40:04] | luyang: | thanks for info though |
| [17:40:06] | sphery: | (it is a web-based interface to mythtv, which has complete EPG and scheduling capabilities) |
| [17:40:34] | luyang: | ok cool thanks |
| [17:40:38] | sphery: | no command-line interface since we have no ncurses-based interface |
| [17:40:50] | bentech: | I'm trying to find the Mythbase.php file does anyone know where it is? |
| [17:40:55] | sphery: | and making one isn't worthwhile, when we have mythfrontend (for GUI) and MythWeb for HTTP/remote :) |
| [17:41:04] | luyang: | sounds like it is useful anyway |
| [17:41:15] | bentech: | im not sure its .php |
| [17:41:19] | bentech: | just the myth base class |
| [17:41:24] | ** wagnerrp continues the battle to explain to the mailing list what virtualization is actually for ** | |
| [17:41:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: to impress friends and amaze potential SOs? |
| [17:42:55] | wagnerrp: | exactly! |
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| [17:43:19] | kormoc: | bentech, it's installed into the system bindings |
| [17:43:32] | bentech: | oh |
| [17:43:36] | wagnerrp: | i had one over the other day and showed her my virtual machines |
| [17:43:38] | kormoc: | bentech, are you swapping when it's running. We are memory hungry and that would slow it down |
| [17:43:43] | wagnerrp: | bitches love virtual machines |
| [17:44:10] | bentech: | it runs $channel =& Channel::find(52321); and takes 55seconds |
| [17:44:22] | bentech: | all the other pages are snappy |
| [17:44:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: "The first reason is to more fully use physical resources." ... translation: "The increased inefficiency of virtualization will fill up some of those spare CPU cycles for you"? |
| [17:44:25] | bentech: | i have plenty of ram |
| [17:44:52] | bentech: | i was just going to put some debug prints into the myth base file |
| [17:44:56] | wagnerrp: | indeed... :) |
| [17:44:58] | bentech: | to see which function is causing it |
| [17:45:10] | bentech: | I'm not sure what the system binding are though |
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| [17:45:52] | luyang: | I accidently quit ;) |
| [17:46:04] | kormoc: | bentech, don't do that. Run xdebug and profile it that way. That's the only way to really know what's going on |
| [17:46:05] | luyang: | I cannot get back into the myth setup |
| [17:46:12] | luyang: | it gets into the post setup screen |
| [17:46:35] | luyang: | with 1–8 screens |
| [17:46:36] | bentech: | ill use xdebug if this doesn't work |
| [17:47:23] | bentech: | i don't really know how to setup debug without the source to be honest |
| [17:47:33] | bentech: | I've used it in eclipse once |
| [17:47:36] | bentech: | but thats it |
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| [17:47:55] | bentech: | also it doesn't seem to be the find thing |
| [17:48:21] | bentech: | oh wait nano didn't save, not sudo |
| [17:48:35] | luyang: | this link is broken so I will stick to EyeTV 3.0 then |
| [17:48:44] | luyang: | http://www.mythtv.org/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 |
| [17:48:48] | luyang: | damn mac clipboard |
| [17:49:12] | luyang: | mythtv.org links are all broken? |
| [17:49:52] | kormoc: | bentech, xdebug is a php extension that will allow you to dump a profile file you then load into something like kcachegrind and it'll give you all the info you want on where time is |
| [17:50:25] | bentech: | hmm alright |
| [17:51:52] | wagnerrp: | luyang: where did you find that link? |
| [17:52:18] | luyang: | wagnerrp: topic |
| [17:52:33] | luyang: | from http://www.mythtv.org/docs?name=MythInstall |
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| [17:53:07] | sphery: | luyang: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 |
| [17:53:27] | sphery: | you're using URIs from a couple web site revisions ago |
| [17:53:34] | luyang: | ic |
| [17:53:37] | wagnerrp: | not in any topic i see |
| [17:53:44] | luyang: | perhaps google web links |
| [17:53:44] | sphery: | (likely from an extremely old thread on some list/forum?) |
| [17:53:45] | wagnerrp: | perhaps chanserv's join message? |
| [17:53:56] | wagnerrp: | does anyone know off hand how to fix that? |
| [17:53:57] | luyang: | how about removing http://www.mythtv.org/docs?name=MythInstall |
| [17:54:12] | luyang: | yes that is right… the chanserv join msg |
| [17:54:12] | wagnerrp: | luyang: you mean, that was the first thing printed when you joined this channel? |
| [17:54:15] | bentech: | hmm the $instances[$key] == http://pastebin.com/SzPqmJ1i |
| [17:54:23] | sphery: | luyang: where did you find that link? |
| [17:54:28] | wagnerrp: | type '/topic' for the real topic |
| [17:54:31] | luyang: | wagnerrp: ChanServ |
| [17:54:31] | luyang: | 19:45 |
| [17:54:31] | luyang: | (notice) [#mythtv-users] Welcome to the MythTV user to user support channel. Before asking any questions, please search through the mailinglist archive located at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . rc; and be sure that the answer isn't to be found in the documentation at: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall. For iVTV issues, have a look at http://ivtv.sf.net/. |
| [17:54:37] | luyang: | that is where I found it |
| [17:54:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: its been half a decade since you first entered here, so its not something youve seen in a long long time |
| [17:54:45] | luyang: | click the MythInstall link |
| [17:54:56] | luyang: | out of date |
| [17:54:57] | wagnerrp: | the first time a user joins a channel, ever, chanserv spits out an optional join message |
| [17:55:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, so it's the log bot notice, and not the actual /topic |
| [17:55:20] | luyang: | ivtv.sf.net is broken too |
| [17:55:23] | luyang: | yes it was chanserv... |
| [17:55:25] | wagnerrp: | s/log bot/chanserv/ |
| [17:55:28] | sphery: | oh |
| [17:55:38] | luyang: | chanserv is giving obsolete information |
| [17:55:41] | sphery: | I'll leave that to someone with more op-fu than me |
| [17:55:53] | luyang: | happy to find channel bugs =) |
| [17:56:12] | sphery: | yeah, thanks--like wagnerrp mentioned, I haven't seen that in ages, so had no idea how out-of-date is was :) |
| [17:56:14] | pplmaker__: | I am typing this message because my idle time is getting too long for comfort. 8 days is too much for me. |
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| [17:57:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: any reason to not use the topic? |
| [17:58:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: as the chanserv message? none I can think of |
| [17:58:57] | sphery: | seems like it's a good idea so it will get updated |
| [17:59:11] | sphery: | though if we virtualize it, we could abstract it out |
| [17:59:19] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [17:59:31] | sphery: | (just had to make some senseless virtualization comment) |
| [18:02:16] | wagnerrp: | i dont see anything that indicates what happens if you clear that setting |
| [18:02:24] | wagnerrp: | i was referring to just manually duplicating the topic |
| [18:03:54] | sphery: | ah, thought you found some nice way to get it to automatically use the topic |
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| [18:13:17] | bentech: | kormoc: is there a debug package? |
| [18:14:39] | kormoc: | bentech, xdebug.org |
| [18:14:54] | bentech: | i have to compile it? |
| [18:15:14] | ChanServ!ChanServ@services. changes topic to Welcome to the official MythTV user-to-user support channel, for MythTV support only | http://mythtv.org/ | Stable release: 0.25 | FAQ http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC | Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ | Use http://mythtv.pastebin.com | Piracy will not be tolerated | |
| [18:15:26] | kormoc: | bentech, depends on your OS |
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| [18:15:47] | bentech: | ubuntu |
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| [18:17:26] | stuartm: | ok, ENTRYMSG changed |
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| [18:19:52] | stuartm: | going to assume that people can work backwards from the FAQ url to get the official website address, the topic was getting too long |
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| [18:30:47] | bentech: | kormoc: would you have a look at my profiler output? |
| [18:31:01] | bentech: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/454062/cachegrind.out.9567 |
| [18:33:21] | bentech: | If anyone wonders what that is… It's my 3.5min load of myth web program guide |
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| [18:36:25] | kormoc: | bentech, in this case, it's speeding 98.88% of it's time waiting on mythackend to send the data |
| [18:36:52] | bentech: | so i can't debug beyond that? |
| [18:38:58] | bentech: | it seems to be only for the first record which is mythnettv |
| [18:40:49] | kormoc: | bentech, the backend takes that request and processes it, it's out of PHP's hands at that point |
| [18:41:20] | bentech: | arm, what do i do then…. Put up with 3.5min loads…. Report a bug? |
| [18:42:42] | kormoc: | I really believe it's database time |
| [18:43:15] | kormoc: | but one thing you could do is try to turn on a cache engine |
| [18:46:54] | bentech: | ill setup a db log |
| [18:46:59] | bentech: | to see what the queries are |
| [18:48:36] | kormoc: | if you move to say tomorrow, does the ajax load faster or the same? |
| [18:54:14] | bentech: | i stopped other db stuff, watched the log and these were the queries during the page load |
| [18:54:15] | bentech: | http://pastebin.com/r3DJhCb8 |
| [18:57:42] | justinh: | crap. backend has fallen down & I have processes i can't seem to kill |
| [18:59:48] | justinh: | heh. kill -9 `pidof mythbackend` did the trick |
| [19:01:54] | kormoc: | bentech, there's no timing information in there. Sadly that's not going to help much |
| [19:02:24] | justinh: | funny, the log hadn't been updating for a few weeks |
| [19:02:45] | bentech: | yeah sorry someone came in and demanded to watch tv |
| [19:02:52] | bentech: | :( |
| [19:03:25] | bentech: | but there is nothing coming up in my slow query mysql log |
| [19:04:01] | bentech: | http://pastebin.com/C6YB83xG |
| [19:04:02] | bentech: | there |
| [19:04:11] | bentech: | stuff came up just as i said that |
| [19:04:30] | macavity: | hey guys |
| [19:05:16] | macavity: | when looking in /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins i am wondering which one handles the "watch tv" in the web front end? |
| [19:05:31] | justinh: | what 'watch tv' in the web frontend? |
| [19:05:33] | macavity: | (i know, experimental) |
| [19:05:47] | macavity: | justinh: i am trying to translate back to english from danish |
| [19:05:53] | justinh: | fwiw, nothing in /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins |
| [19:06:18] | macavity: | justinh: probably distro differences |
| [19:07:03] | kormoc: | macavity, none of them. Mythweb doesn't live there |
| [19:07:10] | kormoc: | bentech, that's a scheduling |
| [19:07:35] | macavity: | kormoc: uhm, i know, but which one is it communicating with |
| [19:07:48] | macavity: | libmythnetvision? |
| [19:08:05] | macavity: | or is that just for stuff like youtube/yahoo/etc? |
| [19:08:15] | bentech: | well it sort of proves it not my mysql db being slow, doesn't it? |
| [19:10:27] | kormoc: | macavity, it doesn't |
| [19:10:36] | macavity: | ok, the package file list answered that.. |
| [19:11:10] | macavity: | kormoc: ok, i am at a loss here then.. watching TV in the web browser doesnt work |
| [19:11:46] | macavity: | kormoc: hints of places to investigate would be much appriciated :-) |
| [19:11:47] | kormoc: | bentech, you had 108 queries, at a minute per page load, that's an average time of .5 seconds per query, and that wouldn't show up in a slow query log set for a single second minimum |
| [19:12:17] | kormoc: | bentech, you'd need to use a patched version of mysql to get the slow query to be sub second |
| [19:12:17] | bentech: | those were from someone watching tv |
| [19:12:26] | bentech: | the one above is nothing else running |
| [19:12:29] | bentech: | not many queries |
| [19:13:05] | kormoc: | macavity, the code is at https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/blob/master . . . tream_flv.pl |
| [19:13:23] | kormoc: | macavity, is myth web on the same host as the recording? Can the apache server read the file? |
| [19:13:40] | kormoc: | macavity, does ffmpeg work correctly? |
| [19:14:33] | macavity: | backend is dedicated |
| [19:15:00] | macavity: | "the file" is the tv tuner |
| [19:15:27] | justinh: | bentech: you using ubuntu by any chance? my mysql is fairly slow, but not *that* slow |
| [19:15:29] | kormoc: | macavity, myth web doesn't support live tv viewing, only recording |
| [19:15:36] | bentech: | yeah |
| [19:15:46] | bentech: | mythbuntu 12.04 |
| [19:15:55] | justinh: | bentech: how much ram you got? |
| [19:16:00] | bentech: | 4gb |
| [19:16:12] | justinh: | and default mysql server settings? |
| [19:16:26] | macavity: | kormoc: ok, that explains a lot.. it just said there that it was experimental |
| [19:16:37] | macavity: | kormoc: but the wording was, uhm, funny |
| [19:16:45] | justinh: | no great reason why a single query should take 0.5 secs, not even if you had your recordings on the same spindle as the db |
| [19:17:10] | justinh: | unless the database is on another box & you're using wet string / wireless to connect it all up |
| [19:17:13] | bentech: | yeah |
| [19:17:33] | bentech: | no |
| [19:17:37] | bentech: | its all on one box |
| [19:17:46] | justinh: | bentech: and you've tried the usual optimize_mythtv_db.pl script & whatever? |
| [19:17:53] | bentech: | no |
| [19:18:00] | lis0r: | anyone played with bcache here? |
| [19:18:15] | bentech: | ill try that |
| [19:18:19] | bentech: | in a bit |
| [19:18:19] | tgm4883: | would the program guide in mythweb create any temp tables? |
| [19:18:28] | bentech: | just got to go somewhere, thanks for the help so far though |
| [19:18:36] | ** lis0r has been wondering if it could be used to cache accesses to a raid array in an attempt to minimise how long it's spun up ** | |
| [19:18:50] | tgm4883: | if it does, maybe it's related to the mythfilldatabase issue we're having on 12.04 |
| [19:19:34] | tgm4883: | bentech, try the optimize script, let me know if that doesn't fix ti |
| [19:21:25] | justinh: | tgm4883: there's anecdotal evidence of *buntu mysql being noticeably slower than other systems. Doesn't seem to affect everybody though & it's weird. Nobody has figured out what's causing it yet. bentech's example is extreme though |
| [19:22:07] | justinh: | I noticed my scheduler was taking around 10s |
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| [19:22:16] | tgm4883: | justinh, i've been able to reproduce the issue running the innodb engine |
| [19:22:48] | tgm4883: | I can resolve it if I tell it not to flush to disk |
| [19:23:00] | justinh: | heh, I don't remember ever changing mine. I had a look & all but a couple of tables (mythweather i think) are innodb |
| [19:23:14] | justinh: | tgm4883: but not flushing to disk is bad, right? |
| [19:23:29] | tgm4883: | justinh, actually, all tables should be myisam, except mythweather which is innodb |
| [19:23:39] | justinh: | oh wait yeah it's that |
| [19:23:47] | tgm4883: | justinh, well let me clarify |
| [19:24:04] | tgm4883: | rather than flushing to disk after every commit, it flushes every second |
| [19:24:11] | justinh: | eew |
| [19:24:23] | tgm4883: | and it would only be for innodb tables I believe |
| [19:24:37] | tgm4883: | in mysql 5.5, the default engine is innodb |
| [19:25:15] | tgm4883: | since the other tables are already set myisam, this would only affect temp tables and mythweather |
| [19:25:44] | macavity: | kormoc: is there any other scenario where i might have taken watching live tv for granted where it doesnt work? |
| [19:25:54] | tgm4883: | the other option we have is changing the default back to myisam |
| [19:26:05] | macavity: | kormoc: ... like on an android phone? |
| [19:26:09] | tgm4883: | neither of those options is very good |
| [19:26:30] | tgm4883: | and I don't know enough about mysql to know if we have any other options. All my tests so far haven't produced much |
| [19:27:06] | lis0r: | oh, so mythtv on ubuntu being slow as hell isn't expected operation? |
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| [19:27:49] | tgm4883: | lis0r, is it slow? |
| [19:27:59] | tgm4883: | I've only seen the issue with regards to mythfilldatabase |
| [19:28:08] | tgm4883: | that is the only known issue of slowness I know about |
| [19:28:26] | lis0r: | navigating round the UI has always been dog slow for me |
| [19:28:41] | sphery: | barriers will cause slowness any time any writing is done to the database |
| [19:28:43] | tgm4883: | lis0r, really? what are you running it on? |
| [19:28:51] | sphery: | which may include when recording and updating seek tables or similar |
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| [19:29:11] | sphery: | how much slowness, though, I can't say |
| [19:29:37] | justinh: | I tried no barriers. no noticable change |
| [19:29:41] | tgm4883: | sphery, I'm all for better default settings, but there's not much wiggle room I have |
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| [19:29:57] | Vernon_at_work_: | Anyone know where I can order a pre-built mythtv box? |
| [19:30:02] | sphery: | tgm4883: yeah, distros are in a very bad place because of this |
| [19:30:08] | bentech: | Alright back, where do i find this optimize_mythdb.pl script? |
| [19:30:09] | Vernon_at_work_: | or maybe a kit? |
| [19:30:30] | sphery: | tgm4883: it's not really your place to decide between the safety of barriers and the performance (at the expense of safety) of no barriers, so... |
| [19:30:32] | lis0r: | tgm4883: backend in something like a 4 core 2.somethingGHz opteron, with a tonne of memory, and 16TB+ of storage |
| [19:30:49] | lis0r: | front end is some sort of ITX box my girlfriend set up, but I vaguely recall it's meant to be quite good |
| [19:30:51] | tgm4883: | lis0r, maybe you have too many recordings ;) |
| [19:30:55] | lis0r: | can't remember, my girlfriend bought it |
| [19:31:12] | lis0r: | to be frank, I just pencilled it up to the standard substandard Linux user experience |
| [19:31:18] | sphery: | regarding "too many recordings", Video Library (formerly MythVideo) is the natural answer to that |
| [19:31:47] | sphery: | put anything you plan to keep long term in Video Library (which now has excellent metadata support) and only keep "temporary" watch-and-delete recordings in MythTV Watch Recordings |
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| [19:32:10] | tgm4883: | sphery, true. Although I'm not entirely sure the difference between innodb and myisam, other than innodb is suppose to give better performance |
| [19:32:22] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py (but still requires an update for 0.25) |
| [19:32:34] | lis0r: | sphery: we mostly watch videos – the gallery being almost physically painful to use is the primary symptom |
| [19:33:12] | lucas^: | I've gotta say, the transition from 0.24 to 0.25 for Python was ... pretty hassle-free |
| [19:33:31] | sphery: | tgm4883: innodb vs myisam is irrelevant in the barriers discussion... only reason innodb temp tables causes problems on *buntu is because you guys have configured the innodb data file store on / (which uses ext4 + barrier) whereas myisam can use /tmp (which is tmpfs without barriers--and possibly in RAM?) |
| [19:33:51] | tgm4883: | lis0r, my backend is a 3800+ with 2GB of memory and a 2TB hard drive. My frontend is a zotac mag box with a dual core atom and an ion chip. No noticable slowness |
| [19:34:19] | sphery: | I don't know if there's a way to tell mythtv to use TEMP dir for innodb temp tables, but if so, you'd see the same benefit that way as you would when I finally change mfdb to specify myisam engine |
| [19:34:45] | lucas^: | also, does 0.25 allow Recorded filenames to be absolute paths, probably located outside of a storage group? |
| [19:34:50] | tgm4883: | sphery, so in theory, we should be able to change the storage location to /tmp |
| [19:34:54] | tgm4883: | which I thought it was already |
| [19:35:11] | lucas^: | would be nice to be able to use the TV recording interface for 'exported' videos as it seems to do a much better job at conveying the available information |
| [19:35:26] | sphery: | tgm4883: no, what I'm saying is that with an innodb data file location specified, it seems that mysql will use it for /all/ innodb storage--including temp tables |
| [19:35:31] | sphery: | i.e. it's ignoring your TEMP |
| [19:35:59] | lucas^: | actually I kinda like the recorded TV interface better than Media Center's equivalent display |
| [19:36:03] | Peterjs: | Got a question relating to mythweb: When i go to /mythweb/tv it gives me an error. {"VideoLookupList": {"Count": "0", "AsOf": "", "Version": "", "ProtoVer": "", "VideoLookups": []}} anybody know what's up? |
| [19:36:45] | sphery: | lis0r / lucas^ / ... : Video Library is for user-specified file names/locations, and if you don't like the interface, you're probably using the wrong one |
| [19:36:48] | sphery: | there are 3 in there |
| [19:37:24] | sphery: | all 3 have their own behaviors/effects when paired with 2 settings (which can be set independently for each view) |
| [19:37:42] | sphery: | and with current Video Library, settings that used to make sense, no longer do |
| [19:38:09] | sphery: | i.e. you almost definitely want to disable flat display so you can see your user-defined hierarchy |
| [19:38:27] | sphery: | and you should never use "file browse mode" (no one should) |
| [19:38:42] | tgm4883: | sphery, according to an unpleasant experience with someone in #mysql, we just need to "increase key_buffer_size and move tmpdir to tmpfs" |
| [19:38:46] | sphery: | they got slightly modified names in 0.25, but I don't remember their new names |
| [19:39:32] | tgm4883: | it doesn't actually look like /tmp is tmpfs |
| [19:39:50] | lis0r: | sphery: it's not that I don't like it – it'd be nice if it weren't so damned slow |
| [19:40:05] | lucas^: | I prefer file browse mode over 'gallery mode' tbh |
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| [19:41:26] | ** tgm4883 lunch ** | |
| [19:41:27] | sphery: | tgm4883: ah, only thought you guys had tmpfs for /tmp because of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1974335 |
| [19:41:30] | lucas^: | the recorded TV list is absolutely perfect. screencap on the lower right, episode description on the bottom, easy navigation between shows, sorted by record date |
| [19:41:35] | lucas^: | couldn't ask for more really |
| [19:41:53] | sphery: | lis0r: if it's slow, you have "file browse mode" enabled |
| [19:41:56] | sphery: | that's the one no one should use |
| [19:42:15] | lucas^: | matter of preference I guess |
| [19:42:28] | sphery: | file browse mode = "scan every single Videos Storage Group directory on every single host before you let me in" |
| [19:42:58] | sphery: | lucas^: you can get the same general view in video library |
| [19:43:18] | macavity: | someone ought to be using inotify-over-tcp then :P |
| [19:43:21] | lucas^: | yeah that'd be a problem if I had more than one mythbackend running in my house |
| [19:43:30] | lis0r: | I don't see any configuration for file browse mode |
| [19:43:31] | sphery: | lucas^: the reasons Watch Recordings is awful for large libraries inclue: a) you can only filter based on recording group and each recording can belong to only one recording group |
| [19:43:44] | sphery: | you get one sort order, and it's always used |
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| [19:44:27] | sphery: | you get tons of titles in the left column, so that it's often easier to exit and re-enter Watch Recordings than to scroll from the Ms to the As (but if you need to get to the Ms, you just have to scroll forever) |
| [19:44:40] | sphery: | it was designed for recordings from TV and only for recordings from TV |
| [19:44:42] | _stefanb: | about the smolt stuff in MythTV 0.25. If the machine already has a smolt ID for the HW profile, will MythTV reuse that? |
| [19:44:47] | sphery: | (so it's not ideal for movies, etc.) |
| [19:44:49] | sphery: | and much more |
| [19:44:57] | lucas^: | yeah, don't have too many movies recorded yet |
| [19:45:16] | sphery: | I was a huge fan of Watch Recordings and hated Video Library--until I was convinced to try it again, and configure it properly |
| [19:45:19] | sphery: | now I'm sold |
| [19:45:31] | sphery: | it's the /only/ place for long-term archival of content |
| [19:45:42] | _stefanb: | sphery: so you are telling me I should try too? :-) |
| [19:46:04] | sphery: | and, the biggest benefit is you can give the videos a useful name so that if you lose your DB or whatever, you can still re-create everything (/you know what everything is) |
| [19:46:21] | _stefanb: | sphery: with my 1300+ recordings in Watch Recordings or so? |
| [19:46:30] | sphery: | _stefanb: definitely! |
| [19:46:53] | sphery: | anyway, it doesn't matter much if you don't at this point |
| [19:46:54] | lis0r: | so is this setting hidden in some special menu somewhere, then, because it doesn't appear to be in the mythvideo setting panes, unless it's been renamed something else |
| [19:46:58] | sphery: | you'll be forced to with future mythtv :) |
| [19:47:06] | lucas^: | it'd be nice if MythVideo pulled embedded metadata and used that, rather than build its own database |
| [19:47:07] | _stefanb: | sphery: does it store the meta data with the video so that it gets recreated on a DB loss? |
| [19:47:20] | lucas^: | but it's pretty easy to integrate Mythvidexport.py into my transcode script anyway |
| [19:47:29] | sphery: | lis0r: in Video Library (inside "MythVideo"), hit MENU... something about directories or file system or ... |
| [19:47:40] | sphery: | Enable/Disable ... something |
| [19:47:59] | sphery: | lucas^: that's the "forced to with future mythtv" |
| [19:48:27] | lucas^: | cool |
| [19:48:31] | sphery: | i.e. I'm working on a change that will consolidate media metadata, such that things will be movable with a checkbox or something |
| [19:48:44] | sphery: | "movable" could even mean "display in both locations" |
| [19:48:59] | sphery: | just requires a huge change to the database, though |
| [19:49:35] | sphery: | (so it may not make it into 0.26) |
| [19:53:05] | lis0r: | sphery: so there was an entirely poorly named options of "Change View->Browse Filesystem (slow)", which, somewhat confusingly, made everything much much faster, but meant all the icons changed to question marks |
| [19:54:04] | sphery: | Browse Filesystem is "file browse mode", and is the slow one |
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| [19:54:15] | sphery: | what's it say after you select it? |
| [19:54:19] | sphery: | change view -> ??? |
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| [19:55:10] | sphery: | if it's faster with browse file system enabled (and browse filesystem doesn't give you artwork), then the problem is likely with your metadata |
| [19:55:50] | lucas^: | I'm using MPEG-4 containers tagged with AtomicParsley |
| [19:56:01] | lucas^: | is MythTV supposed to be able to read those sorts of tags yet? |
| [19:56:22] | sphery: | especially if you upgraded from 0.21 or below (versus re-creating all the videos data after 0.21)... you can clear it by changing your Videos SG to refer to only an empty dir, then re-scan, then change your Videos SG back, then rescan, then populate metadata |
| [19:56:43] | sphery: | no, we don't use any in-video-file metadata |
| [19:56:52] | sphery: | only in-music-file metadata (used by mythmusic) |
| [19:57:03] | lucas^: | id3 tags and such, okay |
| [19:57:11] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [19:57:41] | DelphiWorld: | hi folks |
| [19:57:51] | DelphiWorld: | can someone help me set up mythtv? |
| [20:00:18] | Vernon_at_work_: | pre-built mythtv boxes? pre-built mythtv boxes? pre-built mythtv boxes? pre-built mythtv boxes? ... anyone? |
| [20:00:49] | DelphiWorld: | Vernon_at_work_: ??? |
| [20:01:14] | DelphiWorld: | Vernon_at_work_: there's mythbuntu |
| [20:01:22] | Vernon_at_work_: | I'm looking for a link to a site where I can order a pre-built myth box ... any ideas? |
| [20:01:48] | DelphiWorld: | Vernon_at_work_: not sure, but like i say you can setup mythbuntu |
| [20:02:14] | Vernon_at_work_: | DelphiWorld: only if you have the hardware ... |
| [20:02:27] | Vernon_at_work_: | DelphiWorld: I'm looking for some pre-built models |
| [20:02:41] | DelphiWorld: | no idea Vernon_at_work_ i'm a newby |
| [20:03:39] | Vernon_at_work_: | Why is there no answer to this question? are they too expensive? |
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| [20:04:23] | DelphiWorld: | Vernon_at_work_: suggestion: use mailing list |
| [20:04:38] | tgm4883: | Vernon_at_work_, there is a reason you don't see many |
| [20:04:54] | tgm4883: | Anyone wanting to setup a MythTV system knows enough to build their own |
| [20:05:09] | tgm4883: | or doesn't want to spend any money on it |
| [20:05:09] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: could you PM me a link to the answer in the mailing list archives? |
| [20:05:23] | tgm4883: | Vernon_at_work_, the answer is right there ^^ |
| [20:05:29] | Vernon_at_work_: | Hmm ... |
| [20:06:19] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: so the answer is that a pre-built system is too expensive? ... i do not understand the answer ... why do I feel dumb. |
| [20:06:41] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: I'm not talking about people "wanting to setup a MythTV system" ... |
| [20:06:49] | macavity: | Vernon_at_work_: you need a full computer and at least one tuner |
| [20:06:59] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: I'm talking about people who want to buy a system that has already been setup |
| [20:07:07] | macavity: | Vernon_at_work_: when people look at other set top boxes they see a price tag very very different from that |
| [20:07:19] | tgm4883: | Vernon_at_work_, yes, it's too expensive |
| [20:07:38] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [20:07:39] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [20:07:39] | macavity: | Vernon_at_work_: but almost any dumb box that isnt a full decade old will do.. at least as a "beginner box" |
| [20:08:11] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: what is "too expensive" ... approximately? $5,000 USD ... $10,000 USD? |
| [20:08:21] | macavity: | O_O |
| [20:08:29] | devinheitmueller: | Vernon_at_work_: I'll sell you one for $10,000. ;-) |
| [20:08:30] | tgm4883: | between 500 and 1000 USD |
| [20:08:50] | macavity: | for $5,000 you can build one hell of a box |
| [20:09:06] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: i see ... that's too expensive ... because factory PVRs are cheaper? |
| [20:09:18] | Vernon_at_work_: | err ... DVRs |
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| [20:09:21] | tgm4883: | yes |
| [20:09:32] | sphery: | MythTV is a very expensive DVR system |
| [20:09:33] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: i see ... thanks for the info |
| [20:09:44] | sphery: | not only hardware wise, but also time wise |
| [20:09:54] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: is there a wiki page that compares features of mythtv with the factory DVRs? |
| [20:10:08] | tgm4883: | IDK |
| [20:10:19] | sphery: | especially when AT&T and DirecTV and ... offer 4- or 6-tuner high-definition DVR systems that allow remote playback on any TV in the house... |
| [20:10:20] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: again ... thanks for the great information |
| [20:10:30] | sphery: | i.e. commercial DVRs basically do what we do, anymor |
| [20:10:46] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: commercial skip? |
| [20:10:56] | AndyCap_: | sphery: so the let me rip my dvd's an play them from the same system? :P |
| [20:10:56] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: _real_ commercial skip? |
| [20:11:01] | sphery: | Vernon_at_work_: either skip forward or ffwd over them... |
| [20:11:18] | sphery: | (that said someone on -users list said that Dish is now implementing instantaneous commercial skip) |
| [20:11:43] | AndyCap_: | somehow I don't trust the industry that patented blocking channel changes to do that |
| [20:11:47] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: again ... sound slike we need a wiki page that compares the features ... |
| [20:12:11] | Vernon_at_work_: | AndyCap_: he he |
| [20:12:29] | sphery: | anyway, IMHO, MythTV is a hobby to take up free time to keep you out of trouble |
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| [20:12:37] | sphery: | and, you get a pretty nice DVR out of it |
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| [20:12:58] | lucas^: | for Midcontinent digital cable, anyway, second-rate Motorola DVR boxes are around $5-$10 a month per |
| [20:13:56] | lucas^: | no commercial detection, awkward interface, advertisements for debt relief / back-tax representation (? why buy cable then?) |
| [20:13:58] | tgm4883: | lucas^, yea, but those are pretty crappy |
| [20:14:25] | lucas^: | and worst of all, recordings can't be exported (as far as I know) |
| [20:15:03] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: lucas^: again these are reasons why we need a wiki page comparing the crap and the better with mythtv ... |
| [20:15:27] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: lucas^: ... feature for feature |
| [20:15:29] | lucas^: | with satellite / other providers I'd imagine it's much better |
| [20:15:36] | tgm4883: | Vernon_at_work_, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Special:User . . . ;type=signup |
| [20:15:44] | sphery: | $10/mo = $120/yr... /me realizes he's spent many decades of DVR cost on his MythTV system over the last 8 yrs |
| [20:15:54] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: he he ... agreed |
| [20:16:14] | lucas^: | comes down to 'how much is your time worth' basically |
| [20:16:18] | sphery: | +1 |
| [20:16:26] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: what would you bet that the page would get deleted immediately after I started it |
| [20:16:33] | lucas^: | the big problem is lack of CableCARD tuner support by many providers |
| [20:16:41] | lucas^: | and the fact that I don't own such a tuner anyway |
| [20:16:53] | sphery: | and you will /never/ recoup the time you spent installing/configuring/maintaining mythtv in using commercial skip versus skip forward/ffwd |
| [20:16:56] | sphery: | :) |
| [20:17:12] | lucas^: | Media Center is pretty slick |
| [20:17:27] | lucas^: | basically install Win7, insert tuner, type in your zip code and you're done |
| [20:17:39] | lucas^: | no commercial skip though |
| [20:17:55] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: lucas^: wouold you guys help me make sure that the lawyers do not delete the wiki page after I create it? |
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| [20:19:13] | tgm4883: | I have a love/hate relationship with comparison tables |
| [20:19:20] | lucas^: | the real appeal to both I think is being able to watch/record/transcode broadcasts on your PC rather than buying/using a separate TV |
| [20:19:45] | lucas^: | it's convenient to watch NHL games in a separate window while working on other things |
| [20:20:41] | tgm4883: | I think the real appeal of mythtv is the scheduler, although I'm really starting to like the new services API |
| [20:20:46] | macavity: | sphery: also, running a myth rig gives you that glamourish clut hacker rep that money just cant buy ;-) |
| [20:21:01] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: feel free to love and hate it, just don't let it get deleted ... |
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| [20:21:17] | tgm4883: | Vernon_at_work_, I have no control over the mythtv wiki |
| [20:21:31] | lucas^: | is MythTV the adult version of the potato battery alarm clock |
| [20:21:32] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: niether do i |
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| [20:21:55] | sphery: | Vernon_at_work_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_PVR_software_packages |
| [20:22:02] | tgm4883: | lucas^, I don't even want to think about what the adult version of a potato battery alarm clock would be? |
| [20:22:06] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: nice ... |
| [20:22:09] | sphery: | imho, much more appropriate at wikipedia than on the mythtv wiki |
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| [20:22:25] | tgm4883: | possibly the potato carved into a phallic shape |
| [20:22:46] | lucas^: | I'm thinking more along the lines of |
| [20:22:52] | lucas^: | home-brewed beer |
| [20:23:22] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: so what is to love/hate about this comp chart? |
| [20:23:44] | lucas^: | classic muscle car with custom tuning and brand-new parts |
| [20:23:44] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: see any glaring errors yet? is mythtv well represented? |
| [20:23:48] | AndyCap_: | lucas^: mediacenter? yes, enter zip code, insert tuner, have it find about 3 channels, see that the recordings look worse than realplayer streaming from 1995. It was amazing. :> |
| [20:23:56] | justinh: | tgm4883: my /tmp isn't tmpfs either |
| [20:25:06] | justinh: | I'll try to find some free space to make a new /tmp |
| [20:25:09] | lucas^: | AndyCap_: my cable provider gives a decent listing to whatever service W7MC uses, along with Clear QAM 480p channels for basic cable and a few local HD channels |
| [20:25:21] | justinh: | got a spare partition somewhere... |
| [20:26:34] | sphery: | Vernon_at_work_: info about mythtv is correct on that page (I edited out the incorrect stuff a while ago, and it seems it hasn't been uncorrected, yet) |
| [20:27:39] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: good job! |
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| [20:28:49] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: is AndyCap_ right about the recording/playback quality of mediacenter being less than desirable? |
| [20:29:57] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: is there a way to qualify that technically (resolution playback or a quality column) to help mythtv get a leg up on that wiki page against mediacenter? |
| [20:30:07] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: a legit leg up of course ... |
| [20:30:35] | tgm4883: | Vernon_at_work_, the problem with comparison tables is you have to A) care enough about other projects, and B) know enough about other projects to keep they accurate |
| [20:31:52] | stuartm: | not many MythTV developers bother to look at the alternative projects, or at least I don't so I'm extrapolating ;) |
| [20:32:29] | DelphiWorld: | can someone help me with x11 ? |
| [20:32:32] | AndyCap_: | Vernon_at_work_: It depends on where you live. |
| [20:32:56] | AndyCap_: | Vernon_at_work_: the point is that it's useless with DVB-C and DVB-S |
| [20:33:19] | AndyCap_: | Vernon_at_work_: so it fell back to analog framegrabbing with some horrible quality-settings. |
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| [20:33:55] | justinh: | Vernon_at_work_: with digital TV, you get whatever resolution the broadcaster gives you |
| [20:33:57] | stuartm: | I don't have the time, inclination or operating systems (AppleTV/MCE) and I'd rather not have anyone believe I just copied those other applications |
| [20:34:13] | Vernon_at_work_: | sphery: AndyCap_: Maybe we need a DVB-C and DVB-S column on the wiki page to help mythtv look better against mediacenter ... |
| [20:34:30] | justinh: | honestly though, who cares about other projects? |
| [20:34:37] | tgm4883: | Vernon_at_work_, I'm not entirely sure why we need to "look better" |
| [20:34:45] | DelphiWorld: | x11 help please :( |
| [20:34:50] | DelphiWorld: | i don't want to set up gnome |
| [20:35:06] | justinh: | DelphiWorld: so don't. install a lightweight DE |
| [20:35:12] | tgm4883: | is there a large number of people that are like, hey, what is this mythtv thing. Oh, it's a media center. I think I'll just go buy mce instead |
| [20:35:17] | DelphiWorld: | justdave: i'm blind, buddy. |
| [20:35:19] | AndyCap_: | I would have liked mediawiki comparison tables to look better. :P because they're almost impossible to folow |
| [20:35:25] | DelphiWorld: | justdave: what do you suggest |
| [20:35:27] | stuartm: | I do know that XBMC and perhaps others make very long boasts about all the features they offer, but most of them are true of pretty much every open source media playing application – i.e. they are great at marketing bullshit |
| [20:35:34] | Vernon_at_work_: | tgm4883: we don't "need" to look better, but we may want to be more accurately represented |
| [20:35:39] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: what do you suggest |
| [20:35:44] | justinh: | DelphiWorld: you might find using mythtv more than just a little bit tricky to set up & use then |
| [20:35:47] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: i rarly use desktop on linux as i am blind |
| [20:35:47] | AndyCap_: | Maybe I should make a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Comparison_Tables |
| [20:36:01] | Vernon_at_work_: | AndyCap_: lol! |
| [20:36:04] | stuartm: | MythTV is lousy at marketing, our website makes little of our range of features and capabilities |
| [20:36:06] | DelphiWorld: | sory justdave ... |
| [20:36:16] | justdave: | no prob, happens a lot actually |
| [20:36:20] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: i don't think, the x11 base is much complicated |
| [20:36:27] | DelphiWorld: | justdave: :D |
| [20:36:31] | Vernon_at_work_: | AndyCap_: is there more than one comparision table for D/PVRs? |
| [20:36:33] | justinh: | DelphiWorld: I mean that most seriously. You will have serious trouble configuring mythtv |
| [20:36:47] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: so help me ;) |
| [20:36:50] | AndyCap_: | Vernon_at_work_: Don't thinks so. |
| [20:36:52] | justdave: | I generally assume 90% of the time I get highlighted on this channel someone probably tabphailed on justinh :) |
| [20:37:04] | justinh: | mythtv doesn't have any kind of accessibility features at all as far as I know |
| [20:37:22] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: LOL. |
| [20:37:31] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: for usage, i can use my iOs or web |
| [20:37:48] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: only the first time setup is sadness (*FACEPALM* |
| [20:37:51] | justinh: | DelphiWorld: yeah for usage.. but setting it up, you need sight |
| [20:38:05] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: i have your or someone else sight ;) |
| [20:38:42] | tgm4883: | justdave, that is probably true, I almost did it earler on justinh |
| [20:38:42] | kormoc: | DelphiWorld, I don't think that'll help much… We can't tell you what box is currently in focus for you to type into/etc |
| [20:38:43] | AndyCap_: | heh, what would it take to make the menus work with a screen-reader? |
| [20:38:53] | justinh: | DelphiWorld: startx, export DISPLAY=:0 .. mythtv-setup |
| [20:39:09] | Vernon_at_work_: | AndyCap_: I can imagine columns in the comparison of comparisons ... such as ... "number of cease and desist orders received for facts listed in this comparison table" |
| [20:39:14] | justinh: | AndyCap_: maybe not much. maybe a ton |
| [20:39:22] | AndyCap_: | all the widgets are custom? |
| [20:39:24] | DelphiWorld: | kormoc: LOL, vnc? ;) |
| [20:40:02] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: are you blind too ? |
| [20:40:15] | justinh: | AndyCap_: did you never notice how every app made in pure qt looks like ass? |
| [20:40:26] | DelphiWorld: | i love you justinh |
| [20:40:27] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: no. |
| [20:40:29] | Vernon_at_work_: | AndyCap_: or "number of reverts in the table due to legal restrictions" |
| [20:40:40] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: you gave a pretty fucking nice crazy answer |
| [20:40:43] | AndyCap_: | justinh: I can't say. :) |
| [20:40:46] | justinh: | DelphiWorld: that's what she said |
| [20:41:02] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: totaly totaly true |
| [20:41:04] | justinh: | DelphiWorld: and watch your language here please. family friendly channel & all that |
| [20:41:25] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: true but don't go furter :P |
| [20:41:30] | tgm4883: | justinh, I prefer to use tkinter for all my apps that need to look like A$$ |
| [20:41:34] | DelphiWorld: | justdave: anyway. you gave a very good reason |
| [20:41:39] | ** DelphiWorld *HATE* QT ** | |
| [20:41:51] | justinh: | DelphiWorld: basically if you don't want GNOME, install the minimal X server ... |
| [20:42:00] | justinh: | bad for accessibility eh? |
| [20:42:11] | stuartm: | I say it would be feasible to have mythui made screen-reader friendly, but I'd have to know how screen readers actually work before I could give a definitive answer |
| [20:42:16] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: hmm, what are you surfing on? |
| [20:42:29] | tgm4883: | stuartm, they read the screen :) |
| [20:42:33] | AndyCap_: | windows and Jaws? |
| [20:42:35] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: wanting to set up a mythtv box for myself |
| [20:42:49] | DelphiWorld: | oh AndyCap_ ... you're with me at home? :| |
| [20:42:54] | justinh: | I'm having to get over my irrational hatred of python in my job. man, you should see what size font I have to use to fit all the indents in on my 23" monitor |
| [20:43:10] | stuartm: | QT is misunderstood, it's a fantastic cross-platform toolkit but everyone thinks of the UI which is just a fraction of what it's really about |
| [20:43:17] | stuartm: | tgm4883: hah hah |
| [20:43:27] | justdave: | IIRC most of the config on disk consists of how to connect to the mysql server |
| [20:43:29] | DelphiWorld: | stuartm: ok, i have a question to you |
| [20:43:32] | _stefanb: | justinh: :-) |
| [20:43:33] | justdave: | the rest of the config is all stored in the database |
| [20:43:34] | DelphiWorld: | people sory if that's out of mythtv. |
| [20:43:37] | AndyCap_: | stuartm: I'm not sure fantastic is the word I'd use but it's probably the best there is. |
| [20:43:51] | DelphiWorld: | stuartm: go to win32 Visual C++ and look at MFC/ATL/Win32 native gui |
| [20:44:07] | stuartm: | AndyCap_: I'll stick with fantastic, but that's just my personal opinion :) |
| [20:44:08] | DelphiWorld: | stuartm: a edit zone class name is called "edit" |
| [20:44:10] | justdave: | so if you felt like browsing source for a few hours to figure out what went where in the db you could probably manually set stuff in the database if the setup program wasn't usable |
| [20:44:14] | DelphiWorld: | a button is a "button" |
| [20:44:17] | justdave: | that'd be really really risky though |
| [20:44:20] | DelphiWorld: | a list view is "sysListView32" |
| [20:44:20] | justinh: | linux doesn't *have* much of a native gui. nothing standard anyway |
| [20:44:28] | DelphiWorld: | but in QT everything *IS* QTWidget |
| [20:44:34] | DelphiWorld: | QWidget |
| [20:44:40] | _stefanb: | justinh: after having to read the usual Python books, because my new job wants Python, I can now finally put Python to rest. There is nothing, repeat NOTHING, in Python superior to Perl. It's just Python BS hype. |
| [20:45:10] | justinh: | _stefanb: you should see our dev's php too.. his indenting goes way past 80 chars in places |
| [20:45:16] | _stefanb: | OK, installing new devel/rtp backport/fork/whatever |
| [20:45:21] | justinh: | it's a frickin nightmare |
| [20:45:22] | tgm4883: | _stefanb, I know Python, not Perl. That right there makes it superior :) |
| [20:45:42] | AndyCap_: | tgm4883: I see that more as a flaw with tgm4883 rather than perl. :P |
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| [20:45:51] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: look like AndyCap_ have some blind friend of ramily |
| [20:46:03] | _stefanb: | tgm4883: Python doesn't have "my". 'nough said. |
| [20:46:03] | justinh: | somebody was working on an ncurses setup interface a while back. it died badly |
| [20:46:07] | ** tgm4883 wishes AndyCap_ was in the #mythbuntu channel so I could kick him ** | |
| [20:46:42] | AndyCap_: | _stefanb: python does have pass |
| [20:46:44] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: XBMC have there own gui look like |
| [20:46:46] | stuartm: | DelphiWorld: heh, QWidget is the base class, but that's about as much as I can really say – I'm not familiar with Windows development and MythTV doesn't use QT's UI classes so I'm not going to try and defend them :) |
| [20:46:59] | tgm4883: | what does 'my' do? |
| [20:47:02] | justinh: | AFAIK even XBMC isn't non-sighted people friendly either |
| [20:47:06] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: I run mythtv without any desktop. Works fine. |
| [20:47:08] | macavity: | _stefanb: i am a c programmer, and python has one thing over perl: without knowing either i am almost always able to read python, whereas perl insist on hurting my brain for its own sadistic pleasures :P |
| [20:47:22] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: so how to set it up ? |
| [20:47:26] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: I don't think people making television recorders really consider the fact that blind people might want to use them as well |
| [20:47:30] | justinh: | _stefanb: not without X though |
| [20:47:45] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: you know dreambox ? |
| [20:47:50] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: I have connected the "Power" button of my remote control to a script with irexec. It just starts xinit with mythfrontend as the client. Case closed |
| [20:48:15] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: yep but at least x11 is required at justinh pointed out |
| [20:48:21] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: i use dreambox actualy |
| [20:48:26] | justinh: | DelphiWorld: I told you. install a minimal X, startx, DISPLAY=:0 mythtv-setup – as the correct user of course |
| [20:48:29] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: (well it is a little bit more complicated nowadays with some wrappers you have to call to make everything happy) |
| [20:48:30] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: somewhat, they have a web ui. but I don't see how you would set it up without seting the menus |
| [20:48:34] | stuartm: | macavity: funny, it's the other way around for me – perl is easy to read, but python with it's crazy indented scope ... |
| [20:48:39] | AndyCap_: | seeing. |
| [20:48:52] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: mythtv-setup I usually run in my VNC session on the mediabox |
| [20:49:07] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: true. but you look like a familiar friend ! |
| [20:49:19] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: true. i can't evean read vnc :( |
| [20:49:26] | AndyCap_: | and pythons magic decorators. |
| [20:49:32] | _stefanb: | macavity: You have only seen Perl programs written by Idiots that think they have to write Perl programs compatible to Perl 1.0 |
| [20:49:33] | justinh: | am I coming across as somebody who doesn't care because I don't want to do a whole setup for somebody? Heh |
| [20:49:58] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: me? |
| [20:50:00] | justinh: | _stefanb: idiot programmers are not exclusive to any language/platform |
| [20:50:20] | macavity: | _stefanb: i have only seen perl programs written by idiots who thing that regexp and sanity goes in the same sentense :P |
| [20:50:22] | stuartm: | AndyCap_: I think people making open source television recorders tend to work on adding the features they want to use, if we had a blind developer or one with blind relatives then no doubt by now we'd have a blind friendly setup :) |
| [20:50:33] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: huh? ssh mediabox, run "vncserver", connect to mediabox:1 |
| [20:50:42] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: LOL |
| [20:50:57] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: VNC is imaging, is not textual |
| [20:50:58] | _stefanb: | macavity: yeah, that's why Python RE uses pcre |
| [20:51:16] | ** DelphiWorld delegate AndyCap_ to explain to _stefanb ;) ** | |
| [20:51:23] | AndyCap_: | that's why _everybody_ uses pcre. :) |
| [20:51:26] | stuartm: | python scripts get by entirely without the use of regular expressions? |
| [20:51:28] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: So? I used it to run mythtv-setup. VNC client on a laptop is much nicer than setup on TV |
| [20:51:45] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: but you have eyes right ? |
| [20:52:22] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: Why would I try to setup mythtv with a remote control, when it works so much faster with a keyboard in VNC? |
| [20:52:26] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: but have you used any screenreaders on linux? |
| [20:52:41] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: look like crap. not fully developed |
| [20:53:03] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: Heh, I seem to have heard that before |
| [20:53:18] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: yep... VoiceOver is better on mac. the best |
| [20:53:18] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: and anyway the VNC session is only for system maintenance and setup |
| [20:53:26] | ** _stefanb restarts mythbackend.service ** | |
| [20:53:34] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: bDUDE. but did you understand that i am blind ? |
| [20:53:50] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: so you have a mac? |
| [20:54:02] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: yep, and a winbug boc |
| [20:54:03] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: yep, and a winbug box |
| [20:54:08] | _stefanb: | WTF? |
| [20:54:16] | justinh: | hahaha LOL. So that is why my log hadn't been updated. I was looking at the wrong log |
| [20:54:55] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: was just thinking that mac does have some way to display X apps. but if the screenreader can't parse the text in myth widgets, it won't help |
| [20:54:56] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: i guess _stefanb is having a beer ;) |
| [20:55:36] | AndyCap_: | stuartm: this is how people make python without regexps. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Python-Charmer.aspx |
| [20:55:45] | _stefanb: | AHHH you idiot |
| [20:55:52] | ** _stefanb slams head against door ** | |
| [20:55:57] | _stefanb: | and wall |
| [20:56:14] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: ;) |
| [20:56:37] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: what country is .fi ? |
| [20:56:44] | stuartm: | AndyCap_: oof |
| [20:56:54] | macavity: | stuartm: no, but the programming tutorials for python apparently doesnt put a strong emphasis on regexps |
| [20:57:09] | macavity: | stuartm: whereas perl tuts seem to teach it from day one |
| [20:57:25] | AndyCap_: | macavity: that would require that the people writing the tutorials understand regexps. :P |
| [20:57:27] | wagnerrp: | thats because perl is based around regular expressions |
| [20:57:35] | wagnerrp: | where as every other language merely makes use of them |
| [20:57:41] | _stefanb: | I lost my DB update |
| [20:57:52] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: .fi = Suomi |
| [20:57:55] | wagnerrp: | lost your update? |
| [20:58:01] | _stefanb: | and once again recompile everything |
| [20:58:04] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: i don't know that |
| [20:58:27] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: finland for those who don't know finnish. |
| [20:58:40] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap_: wtf is that garbage??? |
| [20:58:40] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: xserver installed. next how to start it ? |
| [20:58:41] | macavity: | AndyCap_: in my humble oppinion: no-boddy truely understand regexps.. specially not if they wrote it a year ago ;-) |
| [20:58:59] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: i just meet your ambassador here |
| [20:59:13] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: look like 3 weeks |
| [20:59:23] | wagnerrp: | i couldnt even make a guess at what that is supposed to do from reading it |
| [20:59:24] | stuartm: | yeah as wagnerrp says, perl's origins are in parsing using regexps, if you are looking to parse anything then perl is (or was) the language for that purpose and it's grown from there |
| [20:59:26] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: very very respective |
| [20:59:48] | wagnerrp: | other than generate some form of password string |
| [20:59:53] | ** AndyCap_ wonders what pythons stated purpose in life ** | |
| [21:00:08] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: you know some blinds ? |
| [21:00:23] | justinh: | DelphiWorld: I said already. startx |
| [21:00:24] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: have worked with. |
| [21:00:36] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: what was the blind guy job ? |
| [21:00:49] | stuartm: | fact is that I'd like to see any half-serious script or application that doesn't make use of regexps, they are a fairly fundamental |
| [21:00:51] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: that didn't parse |
| [21:00:58] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: lol mean ? |
| [21:01:07] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: the blind user what was his job ? |
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| [21:02:08] | DelphiWorld: | can mythtv stream to network? |
| [21:02:09] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: oh, students |
| [21:02:15] | stuartm: | there are good regexps and bad regexps, the right time to use them and the wrong time |
| [21:02:16] | DelphiWorld: | and can transcode? |
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| [21:02:34] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: siance or literature? |
| [21:03:05] | justinh: | DelphiWorld: no transcoding on the fly yet |
| [21:03:10] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: science. |
| [21:03:17] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: very fun. |
| [21:03:23] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: mostly literature here;( |
| [21:03:26] | macavity: | stuartm: ... there are bad regexps and the time to use them is always wrong :P |
| [21:03:38] | macavity: | ok, i have a a regexp rash, and thats just me |
| [21:04:16] | _stefanb: | AndyCap_: Well I'm just saksalainen happening to live in Suomi :-) |
| [21:04:38] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: Let me look up my scripts. As it happens I'm running VNC right now :-) |
| [21:04:58] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: dan you |
| [21:05:10] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: issue is i can not read it ! |
| [21:05:34] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: you can't read what? |
| [21:05:43] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: VNC |
| [21:05:44] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: text on X11 on your TV? |
| [21:05:54] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: VNC... DUDE |
| [21:05:56] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: Ever heard of VNC clients? |
| [21:06:08] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: download, install, run, connect to VNC server? |
| [21:06:10] | AndyCap_: | _stefanb: He's blind. rendering text as images makes it useless |
| [21:06:19] | _stefanb: | ahhhh.... |
| [21:06:21] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: i know it. but i cant use it DUDE! i am blind. VBNC is image is not text so the text to speech won speak it |
| [21:06:22] | _stefanb: | sorry. |
| [21:06:38] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: LOL... long time and you didn't got it? |
| [21:06:41] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: so how does IRC work for you? |
| [21:06:55] | _stefanb: | IRCtoBreille? |
| [21:06:55] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: windows, using a text to speech screen reader |
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| [21:07:16] | _stefanb: | oh my god, how did that pronounce Suomi? :-) |
| [21:07:25] | AndyCap_: | wonders if autocorrect would make a screen reader worse or better. |
| [21:07:26] | DelphiWorld: | btw _stefanb is not called Breille but Brail |
| [21:07:44] | AndyCap_: | Braillé |
| [21:08:08] | AndyCap_: | hmm, no. I got that wrong |
| [21:08:37] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: look like you're frensh ? |
| [21:08:41] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: well, I have one button on my remote set up as power button. The keycode for that I have connected in /etc/lircrc to irexec and my mythpowerbutton.sh script |
| [21:09:04] | DelphiWorld: | let me first set up lxde |
| [21:09:07] | DelphiWorld: | and see |
| [21:09:19] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: my mythpowerbutton.sh does 2 things: if frontend is not running -> start it, if it is running -> kill it |
| [21:09:35] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: i will use my dvb card remote |
| [21:09:47] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: did you ever try an X server on your windows or mac with the screen reader? |
| [21:09:59] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: on win no luck but no mac |
| [21:10:08] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: Starting is done by a script that basically only runs "xinit /some/wrapper/script" |
| [21:10:31] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: which server did you use? Xming? |
| [21:10:44] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: yep;) |
| [21:11:07] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: in that xinit script I use exec $CK_XINIT_SESSION $SSH_AGENT /usr/bin/mythfrontend |
| [21:11:21] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: LOL let me first set up mine ;) |
| [21:11:31] | _stefanb: | so xinit starts X and that kicks off frontend as client |
| [21:12:08] | justinh: | heh /tmp is only 38M. I think I can afford to have that in RAM |
| [21:13:08] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: maybe you can help me getting it up :| |
| [21:13:09] | justinh: | Yes! New series of Episodes! :-) |
| [21:13:41] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: you were using Jaws? |
| [21:13:46] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: yep |
| [21:14:36] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: This might a stupid question: if you're blind, what do you need mythtv for? |
| [21:14:53] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: do blind user is a deaf at the same time ? |
| [21:15:15] | justinh: | _stefanb: unsighted & partially sighted people *can* and *do* 'watch' TV too |
| [21:15:22] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb answer otherwise i will jail you on Stonesoft |
| [21:15:42] | _stefanb: | justinh: well, they would be lost in an Ari Kaurismaki movie. |
| [21:15:43] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: i love radio also a lto |
| [21:15:45] | DelphiWorld: | justinh: i love radio also a ltot |
| [21:15:56] | justinh: | in the UK we even have audio description channels to help |
| [21:16:09] | macavity: | justinh: heh, i know a deaf girl who plays bass |
| [21:16:10] | _stefanb: | yeah, YLE TV has them. |
| [21:16:33] | _stefanb: | some horrific computer generated finnish speaking voice |
| [21:16:41] | DelphiWorld: | sadly dvbt here is totaly dumb |
| [21:17:02] | _stefanb: | and of course most of the time after mythtranscode, mythtv selects that audio channel :-/ |
| [21:17:04] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: btw Mcac is totaly the definite solution for Blind people. iOs too. |
| [21:17:07] | AndyCap_: | One feature might be feeding ascii subtitles to a TTS |
| [21:17:19] | DelphiWorld: | LOL |
| [21:17:36] | AndyCap_: | probably pretty horrid results. :P |
| [21:17:38] | _stefanb: | aren't DVB subtitles text? |
| [21:17:44] | justinh: | _stefanb: not always |
| [21:17:44] | DelphiWorld: | mac i want to say, AndyCap_:) |
| [21:17:55] | justinh: | _stefanb: in the UK they're bitmaps like on DVD |
| [21:18:03] | _stefanb: | justinh: I guess the ones I can change the font size? |
| [21:18:04] | AndyCap_: | I don't know. DVD folks they could never agree on the text |
| [21:18:14] | AndyCap_: | _stefanb: that would be them. |
| [21:18:15] | EvilGuru: | They do respond very well to OCR, however |
| [21:18:44] | justinh: | EvilGuru: hmmm. very mixed, in my tests |
| [21:18:52] | ** sphery suggests wagnerrp start studying how and why OS's and applications work the way they do ** | |
| [21:18:55] | _stefanb: | but back to my original question: what about the Smolt stuff in 0.25? Does MythTV need its own ID or can it reuse the systems Smolt ID? |
| [21:20:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so it seems that VMWare has a much better marketing department than you do :( |
| [21:21:14] | Seeker` (Seeker`!~cjo20@unaffiliated/seeker) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) | |
| [21:21:18] | sphery: | (as it's quite clear that some people are so brainwashed by the cult that they can't even hear reason) |
| [21:22:12] | _stefanb: | only 9 minutes left to the next recording.... go faster DualCore |
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| [21:22:57] | AndyCap_: | Hmm, orca demands a log out. :( |
| [21:23:50] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: orca screen reader ? |
| [21:23:56] | justinh: | sphery: ha. funny, a customer of ours, desperately scared of linux installed our system on a VM on top of windows XP. It was badly configured & truly awful. Now they have a nice linux machine |
| [21:24:12] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: yes. curious to see what happens with myth-setup |
| [21:24:23] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: tts is crazy. robotic voice, espeak |
| [21:27:36] | DelphiWorld: | :P |
| [21:28:33] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: how to do x11 through putty ? |
| [21:28:44] | Beirdo: | beer. |
| [21:28:49] | Beirdo: | and then more beer |
| [21:28:53] | sphery: | justinh: hehe, maybe we should just add code that makes mythtv even worse on a vm |
| [21:29:05] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: standard ssh supports X11 port forwarding |
| [21:29:19] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: but any required works to do ? |
| [21:29:21] | Beirdo: | as does putty |
| [21:29:22] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: i.e. you log in and the remote shell has a correct DISPLAY |
| [21:29:45] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: on the other side you need to have xauth |
| [21:29:50] | sphery: | PuTTY is silly |
| [21:30:07] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: But I don't know if PuTTY has this feature |
| [21:30:09] | DelphiWorld: | i don't know how to do xauth with putty |
| [21:30:12] | sphery: | who needs it when you can get a "portable" version of OpenSSH on any real OS |
| [21:30:21] | Beirdo: | pfft |
| [21:30:26] | sphery: | ;) |
| [21:30:28] | Beirdo: | it's easy to do in putty. |
| [21:30:29] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: no no, the xauth stuff is magic on the remote machine. Nothing to do with putty |
| [21:31:03] | DelphiWorld: | root@localhost:~# mythtv-setup |
| [21:31:03] | DelphiWorld: | mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server |
| [21:31:03] | DelphiWorld: | root@localhost:~# |
| [21:31:12] | sphery: | http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.58/html . . . x-forwarding |
| [21:31:26] | _stefanb: | DelphiWorld: echo $DISPLAY ? |
| [21:31:32] | sphery: | remember, also, "In order to use this feature, you will need an X display server for your Windows machine, such as Cygwin/X" |
| [21:31:54] | sphery: | ... (also mentions "X-Win32, or Exceed") |
| [21:32:03] | DelphiWorld: | _stefanb: echo $DISPLAY give nothing |
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| [21:32:46] | ** DelphiWorld give up :( ** | |
| [21:32:56] | _stefanb: | ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG I don't believe it! |
| [21:33:07] | sphery: | or for the current version... http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.62/html . . . x-forwarding |
| [21:33:11] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: it's a checkbox in putty |
| [21:33:25] | sphery: | (seems putty has gotten a lot of new versions since I last used it) |
| [21:33:39] | Beirdo: | bored. |
| [21:33:42] | Beirdo: | soooo bored |
| [21:33:54] | sphery: | TGIF? |
| [21:33:57] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: well, orca was not exactly easy to setup |
| [21:34:02] | Beirdo: | yeah, that too :) |
| [21:34:12] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: and it only spoke when I logged out. |
| [21:34:20] | sphery: | if you weren't so far west, it would already be Fri evening for you, too |
| [21:34:21] | DelphiWorld: | AndyCap_: :) |
| [21:34:32] | Beirdo: | well, it's Fri afternoon |
| [21:34:39] | Beirdo: | so no more real work for the day |
| [21:34:43] | sphery: | hehe, that works, too |
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| [21:35:04] | Beirdo: | general rule against changing server stuff on Fri afternoon |
| [21:35:16] | sphery: | just virtualize it, then you can |
| [21:35:24] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [21:35:36] | Beirdo: | I'm not gonna virtualize my weekend. |
| [21:35:41] | sphery: | hehe |
| [21:35:50] | ** DelphiWorld realy give up right now. ** | |
| [21:36:14] | DelphiWorld: | Good night everyone ;) |
| [21:36:56] | _stefanb: | THird RPM build, third time did something wrong.... |
| [21:36:59] | _stefanb: | unbelievable. |
| [21:37:01] | AndyCap_: | DelphiWorld: g'night |
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| [21:38:01] | ** _stefanb should give up to. ** | |
| [21:38:20] | _stefanb: | I'm clearly NOT clear in my head to use git, scp and rpmbuild right now. |
| [21:38:23] | Beirdo: | time for some Megadeth |
| [21:40:10] | _stefanb: | Maybe I'm so distressed because Suomi lost 3:5 to Canada... |
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| [21:47:35] | _stefanb: | well shut eye for me too... CU |
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| [22:15:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: just not going to win here am i... |
| [22:17:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, not when others are saying you're tilting at windmills since you don't understand those high-tech ideas |
| [22:17:24] | sphery: | probably NSFW, but: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2134 |
| [22:20:23] | wagnerrp: | poorly drawn cartoon death is NSFW? |
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| [22:21:13] | sphery: | was thinking the mild cursing |
| [22:21:26] | sphery: | better to be safe than sorry :) |
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| [22:36:33] | eddytv: | OK guys... I'm in trouble (with the family) and need some help. Earlier today, I upgraded my mythtv-backend to Ubuntu 12.04... and now the diskless front-end clients no longer work! I tried building a /opt/ltsp and still no joy.... |
| [22:36:52] | eddytv: | The PXE boot works, and it downloads the initrd.img, but it is having problems with nbd |
| [22:38:11] | eddytv: | nbd-server is definitely listening on port 2000 on the backend |
| [22:42:13] | eddytv: | On boot, I get: error: unexpectedly disconnected from boot status daemon |
| [22:42:34] | eddytv: | Error: Socket failed: Connection refused. |
| [22:43:14] | kormoc: | from another computer can you telnet to that host/port? |
| [22:43:20] | kormoc: | it could just be needing a firewall tweak |
| [22:45:57] | eddytv: | That was my initial thought, but any other computer can telnet to port 2000 fine |
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| [22:50:21] | eddytv: | It seems that diskless frontends are a lot less common than I would've expected :( |
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| [23:22:03] | sean11: | Anyone have an experience with 6200ch. Works find when I use -n argument. Does not work when use -g argument. It is returning "error parsing GUID command line parameter". Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. |
| [23:25:37] | sean11: | I manually added my model vendor to the list before compiling. Do you think you could have something to do with it? |
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| [23:32:14] | tonyb: | Newbie question: I have an asf stream I want to watch via mythtv (a new baby monitor) Is myth stream the best plugin to use? or is there a better one? |
| [23:34:29] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to use the import recorder to turn it into a channel |
| [23:34:57] | wagnerrp: | although there is little documentation on how that actually works |
| [23:35:20] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to use VLC to capture it, and stream it back out for mythtv to access as an IPTV channel |
| [23:37:07] | tonyb: | wagnerrp: okay. Thanks for those ideas. I'll do some more googling. |
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| [23:44:58] | petethepirate: | Am I suppose to use mythutil --scanvideos to have it scan the videos? |
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