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[00:25:08] justdave: anyone figured out the right magic to make mythtv-backend start at boot on Mythbuntu 12.04 yet?
[00:25:17] justdave: I upgraded from 10.04 and since then it doesn't start at boot anymore
[00:25:24] justdave: if I log in and start it manually it works fine
[00:25:41] wagnerrp: chances are your backend is being started before the addresses it wants to use are configured, and aborting
[00:25:44] justdave: (I assume it probably works out of the box if you installed at 12.04 and something about my upgrade borked it)
[00:25:49] wagnerrp: logs would confirm
[00:27:04] justdave: ok, looks like according to the logs mysql isn't started yet when it starts
[00:27:29] wagnerrp: that would do it too
[00:27:36] tgm4883: that's an easy fix then
[00:27:52] tgm4883: make it depend on 'mysql started' I think
[00:28:54] tgm4883: that would be in /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf
[00:30:12] justdave: ok, the existing initscript is strange
[00:30:44] justdave: it doesn't depend on mysql, but it has a pre-start script that pings mysqld everyhalf second in a loop to wait for it to start ?
[00:30:59] justdave: will do that for 15 seconds
[00:31:03] justdave: and if it hasn't started by then it'll bail
[00:31:36] tgm4883: correct, we can't make it depend on mysql by default
[00:31:51] justdave: which probably just means my server is too slow :)
[00:32:10] wagnerrp: tgm4883: why not?
[00:32:17] wagnerrp: oh... right...
[00:32:21] wagnerrp: database could be elsewhere'
[00:32:24] tgm4883: wagnerrp, because slave backends don't need mysql :)
[00:32:46] tgm4883: wagnerrp, eventually upstart will allow conditions, in which case we will depend on it if it's installed
[00:33:27] justdave: but it's already depending on mysqld in a way...
[00:33:40] justdave: because it's using the main debian conf to ping it instead of mythtv's config
[00:33:54] justdave: which means if it's not running locally it won't start anyway
[00:34:11] tgm4883: justdave, only if /usr/sbin/mysqld exists
[00:34:13] justdave: unless you configure your mysql tools system-wide to use the remote database instead of just mythtb
[00:34:16] justdave: mythtv*
[00:34:25] justdave: ah, true
[00:34:52] tgm4883: and it isn't "depending" on it the ideal way
[00:35:20] justdave: this is a case where a "started-if-installed" dependency condition in upstart would be really nice
[00:35:27] tgm4883: when upstart supports conditions, we'll be able to put it in the "start on" section, and it won't actually try to start it until mysql finishes starting
[00:35:35] tgm4883: justdave, yes, conditions
[00:44:58] k-man: i compiled and install .25fixes last night to test out itunes->airplay playing, but it still didn't work
[00:45:00] k-man: for me
[00:45:37] k-man: mythfrontend reports version: v0.25-83-g3dad4a1
[00:53:54] jpabq: gigem, I seem to be missing a step with the new template stuff. When I get 'M'enu in the recording rules screen, the ONLY menu item is "use template". That brings up a single option of "Default"....
[00:54:05] jpabq: s/get/hit/
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[01:11:54] wagnerrp: odd... five years of nothing, and suddenly i start getting traffic on the PBS mailing list
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[01:30:51] mgeneral: anyone experience video flicker from network logos/animations?
[01:31:14] mgeneral: specifically in archlinux, ubuntu is fine on the same hardware. Strange problem.
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[01:32:06] wagnerrp: what graphics card?
[01:32:16] mgeneral: nvidia 9800gt
[01:32:35] wagnerrp: same official nvidia drivers?
[01:32:44] wagnerrp: is one using an old or developmental version?
[01:32:52] wagnerrp: or possibly using the nouveau drivers instead?
[01:33:22] mgeneral: using nvidia drivers, I should be using the stable drivers. Let me check which version it is
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[01:37:04] mgeneral: arch has 295.49–1, I think ubuntu has 295.40
[01:37:18] mgeneral: I've always had this problem (over several years) on arch though
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[01:49:45] jayb: +wagnerrp: between the things you suggested for me today and notes i took from your advice to locuse a couple weeks ago, i now have data in my program schedules. thanks for the help!
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[01:54:28] mgeneral: I also seem to get the occasional frames being loss or the video locking up for a fraction of a second
[01:55:55] mgeneral: and skipping forward/backward causes my sound to get screwed up (static)
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[02:17:52] [R]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Precinct
[02:17:56] [R]: its british, that explains it...
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[02:33:04] UForgotten: ggah. ok I have a few minutes to try to get this hd pvr working before bed.
[02:33:46] UForgotten: when I try to do live tv I get a blank screen. no video, it is not activating the pvr. I can get video from catting the /dev/video0 device.
[02:34:04] UForgotten: did a full reboot of everything, didn't help
[02:34:11] [R]: did you set up the inputs in mythtv-setup?
[02:34:38] UForgotten: yes, doesn't mean I did it correctly though :)
[02:36:43] UForgotten: have gone through http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR
[02:36:58] UForgotten: probably something i'm missing.
[02:37:03] [R]: well livetv sucks hard
[02:37:04] [R]: so....
[02:38:05] UForgotten: really? geez. wish I had known that before dropping $300 on this pvr lol
[02:38:23] UForgotten: er $200 and $100 for a new hard drive hehe
[02:39:00] UForgotten: figured livetv was core functionality, would not expect recordings to work if livetv does not
[02:39:03] [R]: wtf do you need a dvr
[02:39:06] [R]: if all you are doing is watching lvietv
[02:40:06] UForgotten: it "needs" to work. WAF depends on it.
[02:40:23] [R]: no one really cares abotu livetv
[02:40:30] [R]: it works kidna sometimes
[02:40:50] UForgotten: so how else can I debug this tuner if I can't use livetv?
[02:41:10] [R]: make a recording, see waht happens
[02:45:11] UForgotten: info center says it is recording but it is clearly not. pvr shows no signs of activation
[02:45:30] UForgotten: same symptoms as live tv
[02:45:55] [R]: what do the logs say
[02:46:25] UForgotten: May 6 22:44:09 myth mythbackend[2459]: I Scheduler scheduler.cpp:2459 (HandleRecordingStatusChange) Tuning recording: "1 WBCCDT – 10:00 PM (Manual Record)":"Sun May 6 22:00:00 2012": channel 1001 on cardid 1, sourceid 1
[02:46:30] UForgotten: thats it for backend
[02:46:44] UForgotten: well
[02:46:52] UForgotten: there's mroe above it
[02:46:55] [R]: of courset here is more
[02:48:14] UForgotten: May 6 22:47:04 myth mythbackend[2459]: E DeleteThread mainserver.cpp:2218 (OpenAndUnlink) Error deleting 'GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/myth/1001_20120506224400.mpg' could not open #012#011#011#011eno: No such file or directory (2)
[02:48:30] UForgotten: that may be a clue. perhaps there is a config to a directory that was not created.
[02:52:54] UForgotten: nope, /var/lib/mythtv/recordings exists
[02:52:59] UForgotten: wtf.
[02:53:14] [R]: you amy need to turn up the verboseness
[02:55:50] UForgotten: good idea, where can I do that? :)
[02:56:38] [R]: when you start the backend
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[03:11:08] UForgotten: -v all is way too noisy. oh well. time for sleep. thanks for indulging my noobness
[03:12:52] kmentat: Evening! Looking to build (or buy) a cheap back-end system, and entirely unsure of what I'm going to do about a front-end. I've been here before, but that was back at 0.17.1, so I know about what I'm getting into, at least.
[03:13:58] kmentat: Ideally I'd like to capture OTA HD (ATSC with a HVR-950Q I already own) and hopefully also analog SD from a cable box (I have a PVR-150 with an IR blaster for this).
[03:14:24] [R]: well anything will work for that for a backend
[03:14:25] wagnerrp: kmentat: no you dont, not worth the effort
[03:14:51] wagnerrp: scrap the -150 and painful ir blaster, scrap the cablebox and rental
[03:14:55] wagnerrp: get a cablecard tuner instead
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[03:14:58] kmentat: My old machine was a Celeron 600 with about 64MB of RAM that I streamed to hacked XBox, but something tells me that won't do.
[03:15:17] kmentat: I thought CableCARD tuners wouldn't work in Myth due to DRM/authentication/driver/whatever issues?
[03:15:38] wagnerrp: sort of
[03:15:58] kmentat: I mean, if I *can* use CableCARD, that sounds like the way to go, but I'm looking to start with a budget system right now.
[03:16:11] wagnerrp: since mythtv cannot authenticate with the device as a licensed user, we are only allowed to access the DRM-free content
[03:16:26] kmentat: Which would be pretty much nothing, I'd assume.
[03:16:27] wagnerrp: which with comcast means just about everything but the premium channels
[03:16:54] kmentat: Really? Where do the "premium" channels begin? Like HBO/Cinemax/etc or their "Digital Cable" channels?
[03:17:05] wagnerrp: hbo/cinemax/etc...
[03:17:15] kmentat: Great, I don't subscribe to them anyway.
[03:17:27] sphery: wagnerrp: seems you guys found the default start early/end late settings?
[03:17:32] kmentat: So long as I can get BBC America (and a handful of other 100+ channels) I'm happy!
[03:17:40] wagnerrp: see http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels
[03:17:49] wagnerrp: sphery: nope, never did
[03:18:20] sphery: is this master?
[03:18:27] sphery: in master, they're now part of templates
[03:18:40] sphery: you create the default template with start early/end late
[03:18:44] wagnerrp: oh... probably why i couldnt find them
[03:19:07] wagnerrp: kmentat: silicondust makes a network-attached tuner
[03:19:22] wagnerrp: and one of the benefits is that it can phone home and release lineups to their site
[03:19:23] kmentat: wagnerrp, that's just the clear QAM stuff. I don't need CableCARD for that, I get that through my HVR-950Q right now (it's extremely limited, and doesn't cover any of the cable channels I actually care about)
[03:19:34] sphery: in 0.25 and below, "Default 'Start Early' minutes for new recording rules" (and an 'End Late' one) in General Recording Priorities
[03:19:36] wagnerrp: so you can enter your ZIP code, and figure out what is likely to be available
[03:19:43] kmentat: wagnerrp, I'm familiar with HDHomeRun.
[03:19:47] sphery: it's the one users on the list complained that it should be moved because it has nothing to do with priorities
[03:19:51] kmentat: I don't own one (yet), but I know it.
[03:19:58] sphery: now it's moved
[03:20:00] wagnerrp: kmentat: no, the HDHomeRun Prime is a triple-tuner cablecard variant of the HDHR you are familiar with
[03:20:30] kmentat: wagnerrp, But none of these line-ups are mentioning any CableCARD line-ups.
[03:20:33] wagnerrp: assuming someone in your area has one, and they configured it to allow upload, there should be one available
[03:20:42] wagnerrp: ... sounds like no one in your area has one
[03:20:47] kmentat: Hah, ha hah ahhahhaahhahahahhah
[03:20:47] kmentat: No.
[03:20:50] wagnerrp: know anyone with a S3 tivo?
[03:20:57] kmentat: Nope.
[03:21:34] kmentat: My particular area can be rather... neophite (is that the correct word)?
[03:21:54] sphery: wagnerrp: hehe, no, not on the list... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7444#comment:3
[03:22:11] kmentat: This town is aging, and rapidly.
[03:22:13] wagnerrp: comcast in robbinsdale minnesota, 55422, best i can do.... http://www.ronfrazier.net/mythtv/cci/index.php?id=19
[03:23:09] wagnerrp: odd... everything is "One Copy"
[03:23:16] wagnerrp: thats not standard for comcast
[03:23:37] kmentat: What would be standard?
[03:23:50] kmentat: No copy?
[03:24:08] wagnerrp: oh, no... those are the low standard definition channels
[03:24:44] wagnerrp: the normal 800+ HD versions are all Unknown/None
[03:25:05] wagnerrp: anyway, see... http://www.ronfrazier.net/mythtv/cci/index.php
[03:25:32] kmentat: Well, list is out of date, but encouraging.
[03:26:17] kmentat: I'd love to buy an HDHRP, but that thing costs basically as much as my PC budget right now. Just out of college here, still working on finding a decent paying job right now.
[03:27:02] wagnerrp: youve got the DCR-2650
[03:27:14] wagnerrp: basically the same exact thing, but USB, and with one tuner disabled
[03:27:36] wagnerrp: by "same exact thing", i mean they took the board and stuck it in a different plastic box
[03:27:50] wagnerrp: usually around $120 or so
[03:28:15] kmentat: Actually, what I think I have is a DCR-2100
[03:28:34] kmentat: Wait, you mean something else.
[03:28:40] kmentat: I thought you meant the cable box.
[03:28:45] wagnerrp: no, hauppauge
[03:29:54] kmentat: Well, it's mostly irrelevant anyway, because I still need a back-end to run these things (and I'd probably pony up the dough for the HDHRP anyway)
[03:30:48] wagnerrp: an antique celeron isnt going to do it, but any mainstream dual core processor would
[03:30:55] wagnerrp: Athlon II or Pentium-branded i3
[03:30:58] kmentat: Oh hell no, the Celeron 600 has been recycled.
[03:31:12] wagnerrp: easily available for <<$100
[03:31:35] kmentat: What about RAM consumption these days?
[03:31:54] wagnerrp: if you buy a new system, youre buying one that does DDR3
[03:32:05] wagnerrp: 4GB of DDR3 is like $20-$30
[03:32:33] kmentat: Yeah, that was a derp moment of mine there... (duh: RAM is cheap)
[03:33:19] wagnerrp: newegg says... $24 before you start to get into name brand stuff
[03:33:32] kmentat: Biggest hurtle at this point, then, is figuring out a front-end. All we've got is a Wii and a 360.
[03:33:57] wagnerrp: neither will do
[03:34:03] kmentat: No DLNA streaming?
[03:34:23] wagnerrp: neither of those do the formats we produce
[03:34:49] kmentat: Even if I had a post-record job drop files over to H.264?
[03:35:14] wagnerrp: the Wii simply doesnt do HD
[03:35:23] kmentat: I know that, I'm thinking more of the 360.
[03:35:27] wagnerrp: and the 360 wants some special microsoft container or something
[03:35:32] wagnerrp: DVR-MS
[03:35:40] kmentat: The Wii doesn't simply do *anything* outside of play Mario Kart.
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[03:36:02] kmentat: It does DLNA streaming. Plex and a few other tools play nice with that.
[03:36:06] wagnerrp: amusingly, the PS3 would have worked great (for a UPnP frontend)
[03:36:08] kmentat: The 360 I mean.
[03:36:27] wagnerrp: plays the MPEG2/AC3/TS files we record directly
[03:36:58] kmentat: No, not directly. But as I said: set up a userjob to convert recordings to H.264 and stream that.
[03:37:06] kmentat: Unless that would break things.
[03:37:15] wagnerrp: i honestly dont know what the 360 wants to play
[03:37:22] wagnerrp: i just know it wont work directly
[03:37:58] kmentat: Amusingly, neither does Microsoft (I made an HD video once that fit their specs, 360 refused to play it, support lines couldn't help me. Ended up figuring out it doesn't like 64-bit containers or 8x8 DCT transforms)
[03:38:31] wagnerrp: meaning... it cant handle anything over 4GB? fun
[03:39:00] wagnerrp: i think we had a problem with that at some point
[03:39:01] kmentat: Well, not off of external storage. Network streamed over DLNA it does fine, though.
[03:39:36] wagnerrp: someone left a size_t in the UPNP code somewhere, so recordings streamed from 32-bit systems would terminate around 40 minutes in
[03:40:01] wagnerrp: anything external is likely to be some blend of FAT
[03:40:09] wagnerrp: which cant handle files over 4GB anyway
[03:40:17] kmentat: No big, everyone just watches 30 minute sitcoms anyway.
[03:40:39] kmentat: The 360 actually will read NTFS, ExFAT and UFS DVDs, each of which support >4 GB files.
[03:41:25] wagnerrp: why would anyone bother improving FAT in this day and age...
[03:41:40] kmentat: Universality.
[03:41:50] kmentat: Money.
[03:42:23] kmentat: Microsoft won't let anyone have NTFS without paying for it, and probably some kind of odd contractual stuff, and then it becomes RO on Macs (unless they install FUSE)
[03:42:42] kmentat: Apple won't let anyone (at all) have HFS+, so media becomes RO on everything else.
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[03:43:08] [R]: exfat is patenteded up to the wazaoo...
[03:43:13] wagnerrp: theres always UDF
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[03:43:37] wagnerrp: or pretty much anything used on linux/bsd
[03:43:40] kmentat: Microsoft won't support anything they didn't invent, so that means no ZFS in Windows (though there have been rumors of ZFS support in OS X for years now)
[03:43:53] kmentat: [R], true, but do you need to pay to use exfat?
[03:43:55] wagnerrp: ZFS for OSX died years ago
[03:44:14] wagnerrp: the only possibility for it is 3rd party addons
[03:44:24] wagnerrp: same with linux for the most part
[03:44:27] [R]: quoth the wikipedia
[03:44:29] kmentat: Which brings us back to the NTFS/HFS+/Everyone else impasse.
[03:44:29] [R]: "Microsoft has not released the official exFAT file system specification, and a restrictive license from Microsoft is required in order to make and distribute exFAT implementations."
[03:45:59] kmentat: Then what unholy agreement did Apple make for this to happen: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/102405/Screen%20shot% . . . 22.45.13.PNG
[03:46:28] [R]: they licensed it...
[03:46:55] kmentat: Right, but what kind of horrible restrictions did they agree to in the process?
[03:49:50] kmentat: How low can I go with a front-end machine, since it's pretty obvious that my existing gear won't cut it?
[03:50:05] kmentat: I'm going out on a limb and assuming ARM is right out.
[03:50:06] wagnerrp: you just want HD MPEG2?
[03:50:17] kmentat: That'd be probably the max I'd go, yeah.
[03:50:24] wagnerrp: (i.e. what you get from digital broadcast and cable
[03:50:49] kmentat: Yep, everything else would probably go through the Xbox or the Wii, just because it took people forever to learn how to work those things.
[03:50:59] wagnerrp: my 2005-era desktop was a 1.8GHz dual core opteron
[03:51:15] wagnerrp: its right at about the limit to handling playback of any HD MPEG2 content
[03:51:16] kmentat: So REALLY cheap.
[03:51:51] wagnerrp: MPEG2 decoding is single threaded, but things like the deinterlacers can get offloaded onto the second core
[03:52:02] kmentat: Quick question: can I put an AM3 CPU in an AM3+ motherboard?
[03:52:11] wagnerrp: should be able to, yes
[03:52:33] kmentat: OK, just trying to cast a wide net on this spec-out.
[03:53:59] wagnerrp: the low end E350 units are probably about the same performance as my ancient opteron
[03:54:13] wagnerrp: however, they have AMD graphics, and AMD graphics on linux generally suck
[03:55:07] wagnerrp: of course note that same E350 is easily double the performance of any Atom on the market
[03:55:23] kmentat: What the hell is a Sempron 130?!
[03:55:44] kmentat: That better not be the manufacturing tech.
[03:57:04] wagnerrp: looks like single core 2.6GHz
[03:57:10] kmentat: Pass.
[03:58:43] wagnerrp: basically, a binned Athlon II 210, with one broken core
[03:59:21] wagnerrp: better to sell as a sempron than scrap entirely
[04:00:20] [R]: i can't belive they do that
[04:00:46] wagnerrp: why?
[04:01:02] tgm4883: Using 0.25 mythweb, has anyone else noticed that some upcoming recordings can't be marked as "Never Record"? The backend seems to go though the motions, but it's still listed in upcoming recordings
[04:06:34] [R]: wagnerrp: it seems wrogn
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[04:06:35] kmentat: That may have been more of a rhetorical "I can't believe that" than an actual statement of disbelief.
[04:07:11] kmentat: [R], why? They know they're only getting one core, and it lets them sell off what is otherwise trash. Reduces losses to the company, reduces cost for the customer. Win-win.
[04:07:33] [R]: exactly, they are selling trash...
[04:07:36] kmentat: IBM did it with the CELL processor: originally 8-cores, but due to yield problems only 7 go out activated.
[04:07:51] kmentat: It's trash that still works, as advertised: one functional core.
[04:08:20] kmentat: The consumer gets what they want: a cheaper product, and the company gets what they want: reduced losses.
[04:08:39] kmentat: Does it really matter if there's a dead second core in there, if it doesn't affect the performance of the good core?
[04:09:07] [R]: its the principle
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[04:11:48] tgm4883: [R], so instead they should throw away an otherwise perfectly good processor?
[04:12:10] [R]: i guess not...
[04:12:13] [R]: its a conundrum
[04:12:42] tgm4883: I disagree
[04:12:46] tgm4883: I think it makes perfect sense
[04:13:56] [R]: it just seems like they are selling broken crap
[04:14:22] kmentat: It's either that, or the consumer pays more for a freshly designed and separately manufactured chip, which costs the consumer and the manufacturer more.
[04:15:07] kmentat: I mean, if I gave you two processors that performed identically, except one was built as a unicore processor, and the other was a dual core with one dead core, and the dual core was the cheaper of the two, which do you think most people would buy?
[04:18:42] [R]: i guess
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[05:30:10] Shadow__X: a commercial project bringing zfs to OS X http://tenscomplement.com/
[05:30:42] Shadow__X: also a free project http://code.google.com/p/maczfs/
[05:32:52] Shadow__X: wagnerrp: ^ just a fyi
[05:33:45] wagnerrp: right, third party
[05:34:51] Shadow__X: yup, didn't know if you knew of them
[05:35:06] wagnerrp: to be honest, no
[05:35:13] wagnerrp: havent gone looking since i dont use osx
[05:35:25] Shadow__X: freebsd right?
[05:35:31] wagnerrp: i just knew the first party plans for zfs were abandoned, but there were some third party versions available
[05:35:33] wagnerrp: correct
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[08:18:43] lautriv: Shadow__X, do you believe zfs will bring you any benefit ?
[08:20:50] wagnerrp: do you think it wont?
[08:22:35] lautriv: wagnerrp, i tested zfs on linux and there is only a + if you waste tons of resources. they work a lot within RAM what makes it not really trusworth.
[08:22:37] wagnerrp: if nothing else, the one thing it gets you rarely seen outside commercial grade SANs is data integrity
[08:23:10] wagnerrp: you get pervasive checksumming
[08:23:27] wagnerrp: and when tied into a redundant zpool, you can recover from checksum errors
[08:24:20] wagnerrp: only reads are done through the RAM cache
[08:24:22] lautriv: to have a reasonable speed (compared to XFS) you have to spend 4G of ram , for the integrity i would rely on raid.
[08:24:42] wagnerrp: writes get flushed right to disk as any linux filesystem with buffers
[08:25:02] wagnerrp: RAID doesnt get you any kind of data integrity, only hardware redundancy
[08:25:43] wagnerrp: most RAID implementations dont bother reading the parity or mirror unless youve lost a drive and are in a degraded state
[08:26:50] wagnerrp: as for speed, give it a modest SSD as an L2ARC, and it will beat the pants off of any linux filesystem operating on rotating drives alone
[08:26:51] lautriv: wagnerrp, all that additional stuff makes it so horrible slow, valueable data get backed up anyway.
[08:27:26] lautriv: and the SSD will die shortly due to limited write-count.
[08:27:35] wagnerrp: checksumming only adds a minor amount of overhead
[08:27:47] wagnerrp: MLC flash, sure... SLC flash will last several years
[08:27:55] wagnerrp: but as you said, youre right back into cost
[08:28:28] lautriv: wagnerrp, i would not say it's bad but not entirely the big deal.
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[08:30:22] wagnerrp: for bulk storage of videos and mythtv recordings? no, it doesnt really make much sense
[08:31:01] wagnerrp: for something like a OS disk, or in my case an OS disk housing about a dozen different OSs used for jails, it works great
[08:31:33] lautriv: best fs i found for large amount of data was lustre.
[08:32:12] wagnerrp: isnt lustre Sun's clustered filesystem using ZFS as the individual system backing store?
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[08:33:08] wagnerrp: ah, no...
[08:33:10] lautriv: no, lustre was originating on ext3 and later on expanded to ext4, there is a solution to use ZFS instead but more as a piggy-back version.
[08:33:19] wagnerrp: started out independent, bought by sun to integrate with ZFS
[08:34:35] lautriv: once i had it up ( old version1.6.x ) and it was amazing fast but then my aircondition broke and i had to shutdown 60 nodes :(
[08:35:18] wagnerrp: well just about anything distributed over 60 storage nodes is going to be amazingly fast
[08:35:46] wagnerrp: but then youre talking about a commercial grade SAN, where mere mention of the word costs a good half mil
[08:35:57] lautriv:
[08:36:48] wagnerrp: ZFS eats all but the last GB of free memory
[08:37:09] wagnerrp: if youre not using it for applications, no sense not using it for the filesystem
[08:37:33] lautriv: sounds this useful to you, assuming one would edit videos aor do a bit CAD ?
[08:38:23] lautriv: must buy some cigarettes, brb
[08:38:30] ** wagnerrp heads to bed **
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[10:51:47] lapion: where does mythbackend 2.5 store it's log files ?
[10:56:30] lapion: oh no it's in syslog
[11:00:56] GreyFoxx: If you could use --logpath to set a directory for it to create log files in
[11:02:19] lapion: no but the default location was safe, because if I ever had a race condition I could just throw out the mythtv logfiles .. while the syslog files are a different case
[11:03:08] lapion: too bad the new alsa/pulse configuration options do not work for older kernels
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[11:10:41] lapion: wow this is really a showstopper, can't even delete programs while they are being recorded
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[11:11:18] lapion: in previous versions where simply came a warning upon which they where deleted and stopped
[11:12:14] lapion: the backend will not even stop nicely what's going on here..
[11:20:44] lapion: mm now I see the original mythbackend is not killed when restarting the service
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[11:46:52] lapion: does anyone know what the new yellow balls next to recordings mean ?
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[12:07:28] sphery: lapion: in 0.25 and above, you should be able to delete in progress (or otherwise in use) recordings without problems
[12:07:44] sphery: the yellow indicates a "damaged" recording--recording that's missing data
[12:08:42] lapion: yes my problem was solved with a simple kill -9...
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[12:17:41] lapion: however zapping on analogue cards works again
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[12:26:16] sphery: yeah, danielk did some wonderful (and long awaited) fixes for Live TV
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[13:19:18] ** wizbit wonders if wagnerrp will turn as mad as iamlindoro :-S **
[13:20:20] ** wagnerrp thinks he has banned several times the user count as iamlindoro **
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[13:21:58] wizbit: im learning how to setup a devbox and git
[13:22:05] wizbit: quite tricky
[13:22:32] wagnerrp: no it isnt
[13:22:42] wizbit: how close is a devbox compared to a live production server, should it be a mirror?
[13:23:26] wizbit: my plan is to test and build websites on a devbox, then push them to the live server after testing
[13:24:23] wagnerrp: completely up to how you want to do things
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[13:25:00] wizbit: i guess a devbox doesnt have to be 100% the same as the production box, but pretty close
[13:28:04] wagnerrp: a devbox needs to be whatever you need it to be to do development on
[13:28:32] wizbit: i will combine dev & staging box into one
[13:29:05] ** wizbit draws a plan **
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[13:38:00] UForgotten: wizbit: look at using vagrant, virtualbox, and chef, its all the rage for devops
[13:38:44] wizbit: its a bit ott for my requirements
[13:39:06] wagnerrp: chef?
[13:39:07] UForgotten: if you want it to match production that's a pretty good way to do it
[13:39:13] wagnerrp: wouldnt that be all the rape?
[13:40:16] wizbit: http://vagrantup.com/
[13:41:14] wizbit: that just over complicates things
[13:41:17] wizbit: might be ok for some people
[13:41:51] UForgotten: if you want your dev box to match production that's a pretty good way to do it.
[13:42:56] wizbit: UForgotten: i think UForgotton that not everybody needs things to be that complicated
[13:43:16] wizbit: K.I.S.S
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[13:44:39] UForgotten: wizbit: if you can find a simpler way to build a dev box that mirrors production settings, then I'd love to hear about it :)
[13:45:01] wagnerrp: zfs -> snapshot -> clone
[13:46:05] UForgotten: oh, sure, if you're running some clandestined operating system that has zfs... :P
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[13:46:52] wizbit: lvm -> snapshot
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[14:05:52] wagnerrp: does lvm even do "cheap" clones?
[14:07:38] UForgotten: I dont think it does it the same way a zfs or vxvm would
[14:10:18] wagnerrp: well then wheres the fun in that?
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[15:20:06] dashs: Is there a good description of the auto-expire algorithm and its configuration options?
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[16:49:00] sphery: dashs: a little bit at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Utilit . . . utoExpire.29
[16:49:30] sphery: don't know of better descriptions, but you can always ask questions here
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[16:52:42] dashs: sphery" thanks
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[17:08:47] dashs: sphery: which setup interface is used for auto-expire checkboxes?
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[17:10:58] sphery: dashs: looks like it's in mythfrontend, still
[17:11:13] sphery: Utilities/Setup|Setup or something
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[17:11:33] sphery: It's under the main (not Playback) General settings
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[17:13:52] dashs: sphery" ok
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[17:27:17] bill6502: sphery: Re config.xml, is mythconverg_backup.pl (I didn't test its restore friend) already on your 'dance card'? Or, would you like to see a ticket? I'm adding to ~/.mythtv/backuprc as a workaround.
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[17:36:00] sphery: bill6502: yeah, I'll get that with the bindings
[17:41:21] bill6502: sphery: Thanks, I read the comments and noticed that it doesn't use the bindings, assuming that the DB might not be there.
[17:41:48] sphery: right, or old version of mythtv or whatever
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[18:47:53] tekdoc: devinheitmueller: I got analog working on the HVR1800 raw and mpeg
[18:48:01] devinheitmueller: tekdoc: oh?
[18:48:32] devinheitmueller: what were your findings?
[18:48:58] tekdoc: Image size in recording profiles defaulted to 480x480 which triggered the bug
[18:49:23] skd5aner: I think 480x480 is the default, so that could be an issue
[18:49:34] tekdoc: Changed to 720x480 and it works fine
[18:50:04] devinheitmueller: Ah
[18:50:24] devinheitmueller: Yeah, knew that it needed to be at 720x480, but didn't think that was the behavior it exhibited.
[18:50:32] devinheitmueller: That shouldn't have impacted the issue with the color though. Did it?
[18:51:14] devinheitmueller: Also, that's still a driver bug. If the driver cannot support 480x480, it's supposed to return 720x480 in the S_FMT call. It appears that it didn't do such.
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[18:51:36] devinheitmueller: (MythTV knows how to handle that case, as I discovered it when doing the analog support for the HVR-950q)
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[18:54:39] skd5aner: what is the color issue?
[18:55:06] devinheitmueller: skd5aner: the hvr-1800 had video corruption when doing analog, which looked like a combination of the video formatting being screwed up as well as there being no color.
[18:55:13] skd5aner: there's an issue with certain graphic's display drivers and 0.25 that exposes incorrect hue values due to driver bugs
[18:55:22] skd5aner: it was fixed several weeks ago in -fixes
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[18:55:37] skd5aner: devinheitmueller: ah, probably a different "color" problem then
[18:55:38] devinheitmueller: (suggesting the video standard was configured improperly, or that the input routing on the board was incorrect [sans chroma line])
[18:55:56] devinheitmueller: skd5aner: Yeah, this problem occurred even outside myth with a "cat /dev/video0 > foo.mp"
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[18:59:45] uh992k: good evening
[18:59:51] uh992k: this damned scheduler is not to trust ...
[19:00:19] uh992k: I've a cronjob which reads the upcomingRecording time and sets ACPI wakeup time
[19:00:20] skd5aner: uh992k: ?
[19:00:28] uh992k: PC was started correctly
[19:00:54] uh992k: but, then the scheduler decided (for what reasons I don't know) rather not to record the showing coming but to record somewhen else
[19:00:57] uh992k: god know why
[19:01:35] skd5aner: did it record something else instead?
[19:01:43] uh992k: no ... nothing else was timed
[19:01:47] uh992k: and I have dual-tuner anyways
[19:02:01] skd5aner: well, I have 8 tuners, and still have conflicts, so...
[19:02:05] uh992k: It can't be that this scheduler is sooo overcomplicated that I have to spend weeks to figure out how to program shows with
[19:02:40] skd5aner: how so?
[19:02:59] uh992k: hmm ... oh no ... shit
[19:03:04] uh992k: I know what went wrong!
[19:03:15] wagnerrp: please watch your language
[19:03:16] skd5aner: For me, it's been fairly straight foward... my guess is that you pulled new guide data, and it decided to record it at a later showin
[19:03:17] uh992k: sorry, it was NOT the scheduler
[19:03:26] skd5aner: what was it?
[19:03:40] uh992k: my PC decided to check my 750GB raid1 drive on the next boot
[19:03:47] uh992k: so, the scheduler couldn't meet the start time
[19:03:52] uh992k: I only start 5min before
[19:04:01] wagnerrp: hah!
[19:04:25] uh992k: wow, such a nice and smart piece of software :) compensating my own faults!
[19:04:40] uh992k: :D
[19:04:52] ** wagnerrp suggests a natively journalled filesystem, or one with update reordering to prevent inconsistent states **
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[19:05:28] uh992k: it's ext4 and although fschk should never be needed ubuntu does perform one after 30 mouts
[19:05:37] uh992k: I have to fs-tune again ...
[19:05:48] uh992k: n
[19:05:57] kormoc: it's never a bad thing to fsck any filesystem every so often
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[19:06:16] kormoc: especially newer ones that skip checking things it doesn't think needs checking by default
[19:06:41] uh992k: it's quite annoying to have this fsck at system startup
[19:06:49] uh992k: after 30 mounts ...
[19:06:59] wizbit: turn it off then
[19:07:20] uh992k: yes, I will ... but it was a clean installation and I forgot to wipe the default bahaviour
[19:07:23] wizbit: just edit /etc/fstab
[19:07:39] uh992k: it's incredible how much has to be deinstalled after installation
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[19:07:44] kormoc: wizbit, no, you use tunee2fs to turn it off
[19:07:57] kormoc: *tune2fs
[19:07:59] uh992k: right, tune2fs :) not in fstab
[19:08:18] skd5aner: uh992k: so, the scheduler was actually your best friend in this case ;)
[19:08:24] uh992k: yes ...
[19:08:54] uh992k: I can remember my ssh shell telling me "/mnt/md0 checked for errors at next boot" or something like this
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[19:09:01] uh992k: I know that I was annoyed about ;)
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[19:10:07] uh992k: could someone help me with the idle state of the backend please?
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[19:10:38] uh992k: is the idle-counter reset when I only watch a video on mythtv-fronend?
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[19:10:48] uh992k: in this case, the backend doesn't have anything to do
[19:11:03] uh992k: but it could be that it pings the backend in order to reset the idle counter or something like this
[19:11:11] uh992k: but I don't know anything about, unfortunately
[19:11:11] kormoc: what are you asking?
[19:11:29] uh992k: is the idle-counter in the backend reset when I watch videos on the frontend?
[19:11:30] kormoc: If a frontend is running, the backend isn't idle, if that's what your asking
[19:11:46] uh992k: That can't be true ...
[19:12:00] uh992k: the frontend could also be ideling
[19:12:25] uh992k: there is the option that I can execute a backend shutdown command when the backend was idle for e.g. 10min
[19:12:31] kormoc: That's the entire point of myth welcome. You exit the frontend into myth welcome to indicate you are done
[19:13:14] uh992k: hmm ... is myth welcome a plugin? or the screen where I can choose "watch tv" and "media library" and so on?
[19:14:07] kormoc: it's actually a different program you launch and then it has a menu to allow you to launch the frontend or not
[19:14:21] kormoc: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome
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[19:14:46] uh992k: ah ... perfect!
[19:14:50] uh992k: thx a lot!
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[19:15:13] sphery: in 0.25 and above, mythfrontend has its own idle counter and when mythfrontend is determined to be idle, it tells the backend, at which point it can begin its idle countdown
[19:15:37] sphery: /if/ you enable idle counter in frontend
[19:16:30] sphery: "Idle time before entering standby mode (minutes)" in main General settings
[19:16:35] uh992k: sounds good :)
[19:16:55] uh992k: one thing left ... what is the "housekeeping" thread and does it prevent the backend from idleing?
[19:17:02] sphery: seems it's enabled automatically
[19:17:04] sphery: 90 min timeout
[19:17:17] sphery: no, housekeeping doesn't prevent idling
[19:17:29] sphery: some jobs that it calls might (such as mythfilldatabase)
[19:17:42] sphery: assuming you're talking about the mythshutdown interpretation of idle
[19:17:53] uh992k: yes
[19:18:15] uh992k: but there is this external cronjob script "TurnOff" ... but it also queries the idle state from the backend
[19:18:44] uh992k: did someone test it?
[19:18:58] sphery: no clue on external stuff
[19:19:14] sphery: I will say that there are tons of current threads on -users list about how systems aren't properly shutting down
[19:19:21] uh992k: it is intended for computers which are not exclusivly for TV but also for NAS, ...
[19:19:35] sphery: because, for example, mythshutdown gets called in a loop, or gets stuck or ... (often with CPU at 100%)
[19:19:37] uh992k: this script checks if someone is logged in or some nfs share is mounted and so on
[19:19:40] sphery: haven't followed details
[19:19:52] sphery: meaning, the whole thing may be completely broken, right now\
[19:20:15] sphery: (because mythshutdown itself may be broken or something)
[19:20:21] skd5aner: MEOWWWWWWW – http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondea . . . .T6ggZqtYvyg
[19:20:27] uh992k: k, if mythshutdown is a plugin then no, I don't use it
[19:20:43] uh992k: I only use a cron to read and set the upcomingRecording time
[19:21:15] uh992k: TurnOff can do more ... it prevents from shutting down if the backend isn't idle or if a nfs share is mounted or a user is logged in via ssh
[19:21:42] uh992k: and it sets the acpi wake-up time
[19:21:57] uh992k: but I don't understand why this script is doing this only in the case the backend is idle
[19:22:04] uh992k: but that's details^^
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[19:51:53] ** wagnerrp requests sphery stop being rude on the wiki **
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[19:59:01] skd5aner: Beirdo: you around today?
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[20:07:04] wagnerrp: he was in the other channel earlier
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[20:10:24] sphery: wagnerrp: hehe, on list, check, on wiki, check
[20:10:27] sphery: guess that just leaves here
[20:10:32] Beirdo: yeah, I'm here
[20:10:50] Beirdo: at work, but how's that different than usual :)
[20:13:40] skd5aner: Beirdo: well, I had a nuvexport question...
[20:14:12] Beirdo: sure
[20:14:37] Beirdo: oh, my HDPVR was having conniptions when I got home from camping last night
[20:14:40] skd5aner: Beirdo: trying to get some stuff exported from my watch recordings for the first time in a long while... going with h.264 via nuvexport... however, certain content I don't mind if it downmixes to 2 channel stereo, but other's I like to keep the AC3 5.1 channel info, any ideas?
[20:14:49] Beirdo: no idea how many recordings it didn't wanna do
[20:15:04] skd5aner: Beirdo: Mine's been acting really poorly recently too... I'm getting recordings, but playback is majorly corrupted
[20:15:11] Beirdo: right now, we don't use the pass-through in nuvexport
[20:15:21] skd5aner: would it just be -acodec copy?
[20:15:30] Beirdo: that could be done, but we don't yet.
[20:15:39] skd5aner: well, I'm about to test if that would work
[20:15:47] Beirdo: I think so, but you'd need ot hack on the mythtranscode call too
[20:15:58] skd5aner: oh, why is that?
[20:15:59] Beirdo: to tell it to do fifo with pass-thru adio
[20:16:14] Beirdo: otherwise it will decode and downmix
[20:16:15] skd5aner: oh, it doesn't pass that through?
[20:16:24] Beirdo: nope
[20:16:30] skd5aner: ah, well... hell...
[20:16:45] skd5aner: I had some live concerts in 5.1... would be nice to keep it that way
[20:16:51] Beirdo: fifo mode (by default) does raw YUV420p frames and raw stereo PCM audio
[20:17:19] skd5aner: didn't realize nuvexport was fed something that was already transcoded...
[20:17:19] Beirdo: but there is a commandline arg to make it pass through the audio as is
[20:17:21] wagnerrp: because, you know... the acoustics in a concert hall are sufficient good to be worth retaining that 5.1
[20:17:22] wagnerrp: :)
[20:17:40] Beirdo: they are in some concert halls :)
[20:17:57] Beirdo: oooh... Alice Cooper – Poison
[20:18:36] Beirdo: and some stupid program set my volume back down to 100%
[20:20:10] skd5aner: wagnerrp: concert halls?! If you're lucky, most of these are of the massive outdoor fesitval sorts
[20:20:13] skd5aner: ;)
[20:20:34] skd5aner: I need the crowd in my rear channels to make me feel like I'm in the front row
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[20:54:10] tekdoc: devinheitmueller: sorry I got disconnected before. started new job & only have cell internet access + bad signal.
[20:55:16] tekdoc: devinheitmueller: I wanted to mention mpeg device problem I was having is a separate issue.
[20:56:17] devinheitmueller: tekdoc: changing to 720x480 caused the formatting to be correct, but did it also correct the color problem?
[20:56:32] tekdoc: yes. color is now correct
[20:56:54] devinheitmueller: If you change the res back to 480x480, does the color get screwed up again?
[20:57:06] tekdoc: mpeg problem could be a frontend misconfiguation vs myth bug
[20:57:48] tekdoc: I didn't try setting it back to 480x480 after I got it working
[20:58:00] devinheitmueller: Would be a useful data point.
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[20:58:04] tekdoc: sure
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[20:58:46] devinheitmueller: Also, when you say MPEG problem, you're referring to the CAP_STREAMING hack you needed to do to Myth, right?
[20:59:12] tekdoc: no. i mean the mpeg device (/dev/video1) would not work at all
[20:59:46] devinheitmueller: Oh.
[20:59:49] devinheitmueller: hmmm...
[20:59:50] tekdoc: I had to change from VAAPI to standard decoding in the frontend setup to get that to work
[21:00:17] devinheitmueller: Oh, if you had to muck with VAAPI, then that is probably a Myth bug completely unrelated to capture.
[21:00:25] tekdoc: no doubt
[21:00:32] devinheitmueller: ok
[21:01:00] tekdoc: my other frontend is nvidia but I have been testing on the backend box
[21:01:24] tekdoc: I will eventually get around to testing it with vdpau
[21:01:30] devinheitmueller: ok
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[21:02:51] tekdoc: I probably would never have found the CAP_STREAMING issue if I figured out the other problem first
[21:02:58] devinheitmueller: sure.
[21:03:44] tekdoc: Anyway, now I'm glad I bought this card and I do appreciate your input here.
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[21:04:34] devinheitmueller: tekdoc: yeah, we should be able to get to the bottom of why the driver misbehaves at 480x480.
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[21:04:42] tekdoc: cool.
[21:04:50] devinheitmueller: The core does support the scaler, and there is clearly a driver bug there.
[21:05:27] devinheitmueller: Either the scaler isn't supported, in which case the driver should say so and set the resolution to 720x480, or the scaler is supported and it should be setting up the hardware properly and delivering 480x480 video.
[21:05:58] tekdoc: got it.
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[21:08:15] devinheitmueller: On a related note, when the hell are the mythtv devs going to set the default to 720x480. 480x480 in this day and age is just a stupid default.
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[21:09:01] tekdoc: that was my thought as well
[21:09:17] devinheitmueller: It's a one line change, and it would almost certainly improve the opinions of new users who start to use MythTV and ask themselves, "ok, it appears to be working, but man the video quality looks like crap..."
[21:09:38] tekdoc: One thing I did notice is the audio level is very high on the captures.
[21:10:04] devinheitmueller: tekdoc: is that when using the MPEG encoder, or for raw video?
[21:10:11] tekdoc: mpeg
[21:10:31] devinheitmueller: Also, is that on the tuner input, or the A/V input?
[21:10:46] tekdoc: tune and it's actually clipping
[21:10:55] devinheitmueller: Well that's not good.
[21:11:16] devinheitmueller: I don't know if MythTV exposes the V4L2 audio level control.
[21:11:41] tekdoc: I saw one of Steven's patches mentioned audio control but I haven't been able to get the latest patches to compile
[21:11:46] devinheitmueller: (a.k.a V4L2_CID_AUDIO_VOLUME)
[21:12:10] devinheitmueller: Even if Steven's tree exposes it, it's possible that Myth doesn't make use of it.
[21:12:24] tekdoc: hmmm.
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[21:13:28] tekdoc: Yeah, I couldn't find anywhere to adjust that in Myth
[21:14:27] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: any chance you can talk to somebody about changing the default capture resolution to 720x480?
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[21:15:56] tekdoc: is audio level control different for the HVR-1600?
[21:16:05] devinheitmueller: tekdoc: totally different chipset.
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[21:16:21] tekdoc: OK.
[21:16:37] devinheitmueller: So while they have some commonality in the design of the underlying hardware units, the drivers aren't the same.
[21:16:54] wagnerrp: devinheitmueller: honestly, i dont know why the default resolution for IVTV tuners wasnt always 720x480
[21:17:03] wagnerrp: especially considering the tooltip tells you it should be
[21:17:19] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: five years ago they may have been more concerned with disk space than quality.
[21:17:57] wagnerrp: five years ago when i just started using myth, the recommendation was to use 720 or 704
[21:17:57] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: it should probably be 720x480 for both ivtv as well as raw v4l2 devices.
[21:22:06] justinh: wasn't it changed a while back according to the video standard selected?
[21:22:26] devinheitmueller: justinh: seems like not.
[21:23:00] justinh: heh. thought it was
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[21:26:41] Captain_Murdoch: I believe there were issues with some firmware early on I believe that had problems at some (or one) resolution. and with the switch to digital, ivtv support hasn't got much lovin lately.
[21:27:09] Captain_Murdoch: s/I believe// <- either place, doesn't matter which, just don't say it twice. :)
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[21:29:30] tekdoc: Brighthouse (Time Warner) made sure we can't get any real use out of cablecard devices with Myth
[21:30:05] tekdoc: So some of us might still need to use analog from time to time
[21:30:30] justinh: just do what I'd do. go free to air :-)
[21:30:48] justinh: starve them of money. they may not get the point but you'll be better off
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[21:37:32] tekdoc: justinh: I totally agree with that but the wife acceptance factor is really low on that option
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[21:40:41] justinh: my wife sometimes says "oh I wish we had such & such a channel" then I remind her how much it'd cost
[21:40:52] justinh: that, per month, for one, maybe two channels extra
[21:41:00] justinh: s/channels/shows
[21:42:15] tekdoc: nice
[21:43:36] justinh: I mean one, maybe two extra.. worth watching, out of all the crap
[21:44:08] justinh: so we'd pay an extra £20 per month & there'd be endless re-runs, reality junk, mostly rubbish US imports, soaps & music channels
[21:44:33] justinh: cartoons... a couple months subs fees would buy a big heap of DVDs ;-)
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[21:48:48] rmsbl: strange problem... when i'm scanning for clearqam, none of the call signs are showing up... just numbers... am i doing something wrong?
[21:50:28] rmsbl: i'm doing a full scan cable hrc (which is what comcast uses in my area as far as i know)
[21:51:52] rmsbl: meh, probably just comcastic, eh?
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[23:26:07] wagnerrp: i really need to do something to defrag my recording drives
[23:26:20] wagnerrp: hitting 7MB/s shuffling something onto another drive
[23:26:41] wagnerrp: following several other files that were running 30–35MB/s
[23:26:45] wagnerrp: (over scp)
[23:27:00] rmsbl: xfs?
[23:27:08] wagnerrp: z
[23:27:08] rmsbl: why scp and not nfs?
[23:27:22] wagnerrp: NFS would require i had the drives shared
[23:27:36] rmsbl: i think nfsv4 has authentication
[23:27:41] rmsbl: don't hold me to it though
[23:27:52] wagnerrp: nfsv4 would still require i had the drives shared
[23:28:04] wagnerrp: which i currently dont, as all streaming goes through mythtv
[23:28:09] rmsbl: ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[23:28:17] wagnerrp: if it were for security reasons, i wouldnt be running mythtv in the first place
[23:28:30] rmsbl: i did some ethernet over power and it works just fine
[23:28:34] rmsbl: minus the security issues
[23:28:58] wagnerrp: independent thought?
[23:29:03] rmsbl: btw, any idea why fios would displa call signs whenever i scanned for clearqam channels, but comcast doesn't?
[23:29:11] rmsbl: it's really, really annoying
[23:29:24] wagnerrp: for cable channels?
[23:29:26] rmsbl: i have eit enabled
[23:29:28] rmsbl: yeah
[23:29:41] wagnerrp: thats atypically
[23:29:42] rmsbl: i have hd package, but two atsc cards as well
[23:29:49] rmsbl: ohh
[23:29:58] rmsbl: so i was just spoiled with fios :(
[23:30:06] wagnerrp: normally they wouldnt bother because anyone accessing cable channels is going to be accessing them through the cable box
[23:30:12] wagnerrp: and doesnt need the broadcast callsigns
[23:30:19] wagnerrp: s/atypically/atypical/
[23:30:21] rmsbl: right
[23:30:41] wagnerrp: of course any form of EIT data over cable is atypical as well
[23:30:45] rmsbl: just a pain in the ass to get them all set up... have to watch tv, figure out which show, look for call sign maybe, look up xmltv id, etc.
[23:31:02] wagnerrp: for that matter, worthwhile EIT data on broadcast channels in the US is atypical
[23:31:16] rmsbl: fcc needs to get on it
[23:31:39] wagnerrp: FCC does require 12 hours of data
[23:31:55] wagnerrp: but those 12 hours are often just the timeslot and title
[23:32:01] wagnerrp: not much the scheduler can do with that
[23:32:02] rmsbl: hmm, maybe mythfilldatabase would fix that?
[23:32:24] wagnerrp: mythfilldatabase + schedules direct would fix that
[23:32:38] rmsbl: i have both
[23:32:48] wagnerrp: then why are you using EIT?
[23:33:08] rmsbl: ehh, because when i scan without it, it doens't come back with call signs
[23:33:19] rmsbl: but i guess it could come back with prog data if i disabled it
[23:34:00] rmsbl: is there a way to strip eit from the database so i don't have to rescan?
[23:34:37] UForgotten: anyone here using a hauppage hd-pvr? I'm having trouble getting it to engage in mythbuntu/0.25 despite having gone through the configs
[23:34:38] wagnerrp: go into the channel editor, uncheck it
[23:34:50] wagnerrp: there should be a per-source option to disable it as well
[23:35:49] rmsbl: thanks, checking
[23:37:48] rmsbl: all unchecked
[23:37:56] rmsbl: guess it's guess and check :(
[23:39:00] rmsbl: should i do ddgraball with any options?
[23:39:16] rmsbl: err, mythfilldatabase --anyoptions?
[23:40:04] wagnerrp: just --dd-grab-all should do it
[23:40:48] rmsbl: roger that, trying now
[23:40:52] rmsbl: thanks for all your help
[23:41:20] rmsbl: where can i donate?
[23:44:12] rmsbl: i know i donated to v4ldvb or something similar
[23:44:19] rmsbl: you guys are the best :)
[23:44:49] wagnerrp: we have nothing set up to accept donations at this time
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[23:49:36] EnderTheThird: hey all, mythfilldatabase seems not to be working. I updated the myth box I gave my gf, and it's not retrieving listings. when I run mythfilldatabase from terminal, it gets stuck and says it's "not compatible with the installed MythTV libraries"
[23:50:29] EnderTheThird: Using the Mythbuntu repo for 0.25 on Mythbuntu 12.04. Pastebin for mythfilldatabase --refresh-all is at http://pastebin.com/tCzBJCAZ
[23:50:31] wagnerrp: sounds like you updated some parts but not others
[23:51:35] EnderTheThird: Hmmm, I'll do an update/upgrade with apt, see if it missed something in the repo
[23:54:16] UForgotten: EnderTheThird: I am trying mythbuntu for the first time and I'm seeing wierd stuff with updates too. if you alt-tab away from the updates gui it stops updating the screen.
[23:54:33] EnderTheThird: Thought I was having the same trouble before I had it update with the mythbuntu-repo, but we'll find out.
[23:55:27] EnderTheThird: UForgotten: doing this from terminal and checked the log. I think wagnerrp is right and one part of myth is out of sync based on the log.
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