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| [00:04:47] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [00:05:03] | tgm4883: | when using the backup and restore database perl scripts, does it backup the entire database? |
| [00:05:24] | tgm4883: | It just seems like my previously recorded table didn't come over in the reinstall |
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| [00:22:42] | sphery: | the quotes thing is just how locale formats it... I think those in quotes are "automatically configured" values, whereas the ones without (LANG, LANGUAGE, and LC_ALL) were using env values |
| [00:22:48] | sphery: | skd5aner: ^^^ |
| [00:23:22] | sphery: | LC_ALL isn't required to be set--it's just saying, "set all the LC_* variables to the given value"--but usually if you're using the same value for all, you want to use it |
| [00:24:50] | tgm4883: | sphery, What contains the SQL templates for the custom recording rules? Is that in the DB? |
| [00:24:52] | tgm4883: | or in the code? |
| [00:24:54] | sphery: | tgm4883: backs up the entire mythconverg database--unless, for example, you have a failure due to a crashed table, and you don't notice the message saying it failed? |
| [00:25:03] | sphery: | in the code |
| [00:25:06] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [00:25:33] | tgm4883: | sphery, would be nice to add a "AND program.originalairdate > '2012-03–28'" template |
| [00:25:36] | sphery: | though you can create your own "saved templates" that are included along with the "in-the-code defaults" |
| [00:25:49] | tgm4883: | where the date defaults to today |
| [00:27:10] | sphery: | could do that |
| [00:27:16] | tgm4883: | that table must have been bad or something, I've had to mark 100+ scheduled recordings as never record because they are way old |
| [00:27:40] | sphery: | select count(1) from oldrecorded; |
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| [00:28:02] | tgm4883: | sphery, IMO, I think it would be a good default. I'd go as far as saying it should be in the regular scheduling settings |
| [00:28:27] | tgm4883: | "Record only episodes originally aired after" |
| [00:28:32] | tgm4883: | and then a calendar date picker |
| [00:29:00] | sphery: | hehe, someone else would have to do the calendar date picker part :) |
| [00:29:06] | tgm4883: | 7989 |
| [00:29:19] | tgm4883: | so apparently it didn't kill that table |
| [00:30:05] | tgm4883: | sphery, I can't think I'm the only person that starts watching a show after it's been on a few years, catching up on netlix/hulu then recording it |
| [00:30:06] | sphery: | what show is it trying to record old episodes of |
| [00:30:14] | tgm4883: | sphery, pretty much every show |
| [00:30:26] | tgm4883: | house, greys anatomy, psych, L&O SVU, etc |
| [00:30:44] | sphery: | FWIW, I have always just used Never Record to teach MythTV which ones I've seen and which I haven't--but I'm all about "complete and accurate data" |
| [00:31:09] | sphery: | that's how I taught MythTV about the first 12+ years of Simpsons episodes |
| [00:31:10] | tgm4883: | sphery, I've always had it record everything, mark it as watched and let it autoexpire |
| [00:31:18] | sphery: | that works, too |
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| [00:31:34] | tgm4883: | yea, but something odd happened when I switched to 0.25 |
| [00:31:35] | sphery: | and these episodes are actually duplicates? |
| [00:31:43] | sphery: | and not generics and ... |
| [00:31:46] | tgm4883: | I wonder if it has anything to do with me now getting metadata |
| [00:32:08] | sphery: | like the tmdb stuff? |
| [00:32:11] | tgm4883: | well, they aren't generic, unless there is a flag for generic |
| [00:32:17] | sphery: | there is a flag |
| [00:32:21] | tgm4883: | they contain description and stuff |
| [00:32:23] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [00:32:32] | sphery: | try looking at data for one |
| [00:32:36] | tgm4883: | sec |
| [00:32:37] | sphery: | see if generic =1 |
| [00:33:00] | sphery: | btw, 8K oldrecorded is pretty respectable |
| [00:34:05] | tgm4883: | nope not generic |
| [00:34:31] | tgm4883: | out of the 67 house episodes in the program table, 2 are marked generic |
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| [00:36:33] | sphery: | so what do you get for one of the episodes it was going to record with: SELECT subtitle, recstatus, duplicate FROM oldrecorded WHERE title = 'House' and subtitle = 'Broken'; |
| [00:36:46] | sphery: | but change Broken to the appropriate subtitle |
| [00:40:18] | k-man: | have you seen these Mele A1000 TV Boxes? http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/55777226 . . . esalers.html |
| [00:40:19] | tgm4883: | well, let me change to a show I haven't already marked everything as Never Record |
| [00:40:28] | sphery: | either way would work |
| [00:40:32] | k-man: | would it have enough cpu to be a mythtv frontend? |
| [00:40:33] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [00:40:37] | sphery: | never record are show up differently |
| [00:40:42] | tgm4883: | that one shows 2 results |
| [00:40:52] | tgm4883: | 1 as duplicate |
| [00:40:58] | sphery: | can I see results |
| [00:41:19] | tgm4883: | sure, I'm doing this in phpmyadmin though |
| [00:41:41] | tgm4883: | Clueless 11 0 |
| [00:41:41] | tgm4883: | Clueless 11 1 |
| [00:41:54] | sphery: | status 11 = never record |
| [00:42:11] | sphery: | so you had 2 never records--one of which is marked to not count for duplicate matching |
| [00:42:54] | tgm4883: | Is that me manually marking it as never record? |
| [00:42:59] | sphery: | how about the same, but with starttime: SELECT starttime, subtitle, recstatus, duplicate FROM oldrecorded WHERE title = 'House' and subtitle = 'Broken'; |
| [00:43:15] | sphery: | yeah, never record is only created by manually marking never record |
| [00:43:22] | sphery: | the starttime will tell us when you did that |
| [00:43:45] | tgm4883: | 2012-05–08 05:00:00 Clueless 11 0 |
| [00:43:45] | tgm4883: | 2012-05–03 16:51:38 Clueless 11 1 |
| [00:44:07] | tgm4883: | so one of those is in the future |
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| [00:44:22] | sphery: | yeah, that may be the future handling stuff and how it deals with a never record |
| [00:44:30] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [00:44:32] | sphery: | so, that means you've only marked it never record once, today |
| [00:44:51] | tgm4883: | ok, which is true, I just went though a bunch |
| [00:44:52] | sphery: | and didn't have any record for it previously |
| [00:45:01] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [00:45:32] | sphery: | meaning it either never recorded or something deleted the record (we keep all "Recorded" and "Never Record" records, but throw away all other statuses) |
| [00:45:51] | tgm4883: | I'm not sure what happened then |
| [00:45:54] | tgm4883: | kinda a pain though :( |
| [00:45:55] | sphery: | but you can delete a Recorded/Never Record record manually in mythfrontend's Previously Recorded |
| [00:45:59] | sphery: | yeah, not sure what happened |
| [00:46:07] | sphery: | I haven't heard of a bug that borked data |
| [00:46:22] | tgm4883: | I wish I could select a bunch of them in mythweb and select never record for a group |
| [00:46:47] | sphery: | I middle-click, then ignore the new tab |
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| [00:47:05] | sphery: | keep working in the same tab, then close the window and all the tabs together |
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| [00:47:26] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [00:47:31] | tgm4883: | that would make it alot easier :) |
| [00:47:42] | sphery: | k-man: still can't figure out what kind of processor it has |
| [00:48:17] | tgm4883: | sphery, although I still think we need that new schedule option |
| [00:48:25] | tgm4883: | I'll add it to the feature wishlist wikipage |
| [00:48:34] | sphery: | k-man: though I'll say that the lack of any processor with a large heat sink makes me guess it's an underpowered system |
| [00:48:56] | sphery: | tgm4883: yeah, I'm considering adding it for you :) |
| [00:49:10] | sphery: | biggest problem is oad is mostly US only |
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| [00:51:03] | tgm4883: | sphery, that's awesome that we have it, seems like a great piece of data |
| [00:51:10] | tgm4883: | I wish others had it as well |
| [00:51:15] | sphery: | agreed... I sort on it in frontend |
| [00:51:22] | sphery: | (for watch recordings) |
| [00:51:41] | tgm4883: | as do I |
| [00:51:47] | sphery: | though others can get it by moving recordings to video library and pulling it and other metadata from tbdb/ttvdb |
| [00:52:21] | tgm4883: | can't they get it without moving it to the video library? |
| [00:52:28] | tgm4883: | now that recordings can get metadata? |
| [00:53:44] | sphery: | I don't think metadata grabber writes oad for recordings, but only for video library stuff |
| [00:54:10] | tgm4883: | thats a shame |
| [00:54:17] | tgm4883: | I'd check, but I already have that data |
| [00:54:29] | sphery: | it's a concession until we have a proper schema in place |
| [00:54:44] | sphery: | i.e. what you've got is amazing considered the schema wasn't designed for it |
| [00:59:17] | k-man: | sphery, is "A10" a processor? |
| [00:59:28] | sphery: | might be |
| [00:59:33] | wagnerrp: | some chinese ARM |
| [00:59:47] | k-man: | sphery, this has some clues i think: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t= . . . d8c6ac61a260 |
| [00:59:50] | sphery: | there's a big chip labeled A10 on the board, but without any HS/fan |
| [01:00:03] | k-man: | Coretex A8? |
| [01:00:10] | sphery: | yeah, could be |
| [01:00:11] | k-man: | sphery, yeah, i saw that |
| [01:00:15] | tgm4883: | sphery, oh I'm not complaining. I love what MythTV gives me. I just wish I could give you guys better data when needed |
| [01:00:29] | sphery: | meaning it would be a very low-power (low-resource) ARM chip |
| [01:00:33] | tgm4883: | Instead, I just point out this http://smolt.mythtv.org/static/stats/stats.html :) |
| [01:00:36] | k-man: | sphery, ah ok |
| [01:01:04] | sphery: | yeah, lots of non-us |
| [01:01:29] | tgm4883: | yea |
| [01:01:43] | k-man: | btw, it seems like every time i tried to submit my stats it gave me an error |
| [01:02:09] | tgm4883: | sphery, so this won't mean much now, but is there anyway to get at the raw data? |
| [01:02:48] | tgm4883: | It would be interesting to see how many ubuntu users use what version of MythTV |
| [01:03:15] | tgm4883: | specifically, the shipped version vs our daily builds, but also 0.25 vs 0.26 (once that releases) |
| [01:07:40] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: that information exists... youve just got to bug ja ms to present it |
| [01:07:44] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [01:08:19] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, good to know, I was worried that wasn't gathered since it doesn't show up on the show box page http://smolt.mythtv.org/client/show_all/pub_7 . . . 01901123aa46 |
| [01:08:43] | wagnerrp: | every submitted profile is stored as is |
| [01:08:58] | wagnerrp: | its just a question of creating the necessary queries to build the static pages |
| [01:11:31] | rumblebumble: | Can anyone help me setup the internal firewire script with an HD-PVR? |
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| [01:13:31] | rumblebumble: | or point me in the right direction, I can't quite seem to find the right documentation |
| [01:14:52] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt not have a scripting engine |
| [01:15:09] | wagnerrp: | its not the "internal script" |
| [01:15:17] | rumblebumble: | Ok, so it is not possible |
| [01:15:18] | wagnerrp: | its just calling the internal compiled routines |
| [01:15:35] | rumblebumble: | Ok |
| [01:16:01] | rumblebumble: | I was looking at: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/d49f3f2 . . . 70407/mythtv |
| [01:16:18] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if anyone is actually using it in production |
| [01:16:24] | wagnerrp: | it *should* work |
| [01:16:36] | rumblebumble: | and this is exactly what I want to do. I want to change channel with firewire and record with hd-pvr |
| [01:18:48] | rumblebumble: | When I set up my input connections, I set my external channel change command to "Internal" |
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| [01:19:23] | rumblebumble: | It does not seem to work and it does not allow me to specify a firewire box or model number |
| [01:19:36] | rumblebumble: | I think I am going about this all the wrong way |
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| [03:10:02] | k-man: | does stichnot come on irc? |
| [03:10:10] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:10:17] | wagnerrp: | !seen stichnot |
| [03:10:17] | MythLogBot: | stichnot was last seen 62 days 5 hours 58 minutes 37 seconds ago |
| [03:10:23] | wagnerrp: | perhaps only on the other channel |
| [03:11:53] | k-man: | thanks wagnerrp |
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| [03:21:49] | wagnerrp: | HAH |
| [03:22:19] | wagnerrp: | i just started digging through my logs trying to figure out why Grimm and Fringe didnt record tonight |
| [03:22:29] | wagnerrp: | only to discover... its THURSDAY! |
| [03:24:39] | [R]: | did you think it was FRIDAY... FRIDAY? |
| [03:24:54] | wagnerrp: | it would seem that way |
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| [03:39:07] | Shadow__X: | nice |
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| [04:30:13] | sphery: | wouldn't #10688 be a case of, "transcoding incorrectly will do that" |
| [04:30:13] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10688 ** | |
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| [04:48:58] | sphery: | so, I'm starting to think the majority of the 400 tickets messages that I got over the last couple weeks were "MythTV doesn't listen on the right address when I tell it to listen on the wrong address" tickets |
| [04:49:20] | wagnerrp: | hehe, no... only a handful of those |
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| [04:55:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: isn't #10688 just improper transcoding causing that? I.e. scaling the video but not "scaling" the bitmapped subtitle stream? |
| [04:55:14] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10688 ** | |
| [04:55:49] | wagnerrp: | very probably |
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| [04:58:20] | lake: | well gentlemen, i have finally succeeded in setting up mythtv. wowie kazowie that was a long process |
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| [04:58:40] | lake: | i can change channels, stream live tv, and presumably do everything else |
| [04:59:07] | sphery: | yay |
| [04:59:37] | lake: | seriously yay!!! |
| [04:59:59] | lake: | thanks for all the help everyone |
| [05:11:30] | wagnerrp: | sphery: its going to be a shame to see person of interest get canceled |
| [05:13:18] | sphery: | how is #10591 not a feature request without a patch |
| [05:13:18] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10591 ** | |
| [05:13:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I'm hearing it's almost definitely going to be cancelled |
| [05:13:46] | sphery: | sounds like it may be one of the better shows of the season, too... :( |
| [05:13:54] | wagnerrp: | im liking it too much, its doomed |
| [05:13:58] | sphery: | (though I do like New Girl, so at leas tthat's coming back) |
| [05:14:20] | [R]: | shes pretty hot |
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| [05:16:42] | wagnerrp: | seems alcatraz is on the bubble |
| [05:16:52] | wagnerrp: | sadly napoleon dynamite is *only* on the bubble |
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| [05:17:28] | sphery: | oh, I'm so mad about Napoleon Dynamite |
| [05:17:59] | [R]: | is it not coming back? |
| [05:18:04] | sphery: | I can't believe I watched the pilot... I want my 12min back |
| [05:18:16] | sphery: | (watched at 1.75x, and it was still too long) |
| [05:18:18] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [05:19:24] | [R]: | sphery: re 10591, tell him thats what udev is for |
| [05:19:26] | wagnerrp: | (as in, why did you watch the pilot) |
| [05:19:39] | sphery: | Primetime shows were running late on Jan 15, so got half of Simpsons in Simpsons and half in Napoleon Dynamite, and ND was split across Family Guy, so rather than keep 2 halves of ND, I figured I'd just watch it an delete it |
| [05:20:05] | wagnerrp: | nickelodeon cancels dragon ball z |
| [05:20:16] | wagnerrp: | wait... theyre STILL making new seasons of that? |
| [05:20:24] | sphery: | if they had been on schedule, I'd have blissfully kept the show/recording rule going until they finally cancelled it |
| [05:20:56] | sphery: | and deleted without watching... but, no, they had to be late that night and split up my recording, making me decide to watch it so I could delete the 2 halves... |
| [05:21:13] | wagnerrp: | that was like the stereotypical "bad anime" |
| [05:21:38] | wagnerrp: | the kind of show with a 22 minute episode constituting all of about 500 frames |
| [05:21:58] | sphery: | (was actually the 2nd episode that got split, but watched the pilot and planned to watch ep2) |
| [05:22:29] | sphery: | or, actually, seems it was both e1 and e2 on the same night |
| [05:25:28] | wagnerrp: | memphis beat got canceled |
| [05:25:44] | wagnerrp: | you know, i never watched it, but i just cant see jason lee playing a serious character |
| [05:28:36] | wagnerrp: | NBCs canceling a bunch, wonder if Grimm is going to get a better time slot |
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| [06:45:43] | justinh: | eh? some customer is rattling on about whether our system is ITEC compliant or not. WTH is that when it's at home? |
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| [06:46:43] | justinh: | so many outfits seem to use that acronym it's impossible to tell what they're on about |
| [06:46:58] | ** wagnerrp pokes dekarl ** | |
| [06:47:10] | ** dekarl yawns ** | |
| [06:47:31] | wagnerrp: | http://www.alge.no/projects/scripts/bairc-1.3.bash |
| [06:47:55] | justinh: | they're also asking how to enable automagical updates of the OS. No point telling them all the reasons that's not a good idea. They're in banking |
| [06:47:56] | wagnerrp: | who needs fancy compiled IRC clients |
| [06:48:01] | wagnerrp: | you can write one in bash! |
| [06:48:12] | justinh: | is there anything bash can't do? ;-) |
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| [06:48:30] | dekarl: | but it doesnt showel my nice xml feeds into a proper sql database :( |
| [06:48:48] | justinh: | I made a script to iterate through a loop & force one of our DVRs to dump contents of its flash block by block over its serial port yesterday |
| [06:48:49] | wagnerrp: | fellatio |
| [06:48:55] | ** dekarl got to run ** | |
| [06:49:48] | justinh: | trouble was, after the DVR has output so much stuff over serial, no matter how I break up the blocks into smaller runs, a buffer overflows & it crashes. Stupid programmers |
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| [06:50:26] | justinh: | they obviously never tested it properly :-) |
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| [06:51:18] | justinh: | bah. I give up looking up this ITEC thing. I'm guessing it's some financial IT security benchmark thing or other |
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| [11:31:18] | lasers: | Hello all. :) |
| [11:31:29] | lasers: | I asked this in wrong (development) channel. |
| [11:31:36] | lasers: | Will this card be sufficent for linux? debian |
| [11:31:45] | lasers: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815276002 |
| [11:31:50] | lasers: | It's the cheap one on newegg. I want something that I can run a program to watch TV on the computer. |
| [11:31:58] | lasers: | No need for DVR or anything. Also, Closed captain? :O |
| [11:32:01] | lasers: | Thank you. :) |
| [11:33:24] | lasers: | One thing I'm concerned about "analog tuner" |
| [11:33:46] | lasers: | Does this mean it won't work on the cable? Also, with that whole Feb (converting to digital) thing... I think it'll still work, right? |
| [11:33:50] | lasers: | Or I'm wrong. Please advise. |
| [11:34:51] | Jordack: | You will get very few channels with an analog tuner |
| [11:36:00] | Jordack: | What are you looking to do? Display and Capture? |
| [11:37:02] | lasers: | Jordack: I see. This card is ancient? I have basic cable package + internet. I'm trying to watch TV on this computer (with CC). I don't think I'll capture anything most of the time. Wanted to sell my 40" TV (and other stuffs). |
| [11:37:47] | lasers: | I have about 60 channels. |
| [11:38:00] | lasers: | Some radios too. |
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| [11:47:10] | Jordack: | Well I never played with radio, But with the tuners, Once they convert to digital you will lose nearly everything. :( |
| [11:51:56] | Jordack: | sec lasers this guy wont leave my office |
| [11:53:44] | lasers: | heh. |
| [11:54:17] | lasers: | who is 'they' — the cable companies? |
| [11:54:28] | lasers: | i don't have a digital box (or a cable box). just straight cable |
| [11:55:11] | Jordack: | ok. As to that tuner. I couldnt tell you When I started with Myth i used the PVR-150 and they worked great. Once they converted to digital I was able to connect thier conversion box to the 150 and buy an IR blaster to have Myth change the channel. They worked well most of the time. |
| [11:55:59] | Jordack: | yes when the cable company convertes to digital they will send you a convertor box. You can still use the convert box with an analog tuner. But you will need an IR blaster to change the channel on the convter box. |
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| [11:57:57] | lasers: | IR blaster is a buck or two? I think I have two. Never used them. It came with my MCE remote control (for XBMC). |
| [11:58:13] | Jordack: | Couple of months ago I bought a HD HomeRun Prime. Swaped my convert box for a CableCard. So well worth it. I get nearly every channel now in High Def. You never realize how ugly some actresses are till you see them in HighDef |
| [11:58:47] | lasers: | I don't think I'm going to upgrade my cable to digital... My brother on other hand have a cable box (with Free Starz or whatever). We have straight cable (is that analog?) |
| [11:58:50] | Jordack: | You will want to check it. Those may be IR Recievers and not Blaster. Blaster sends signals |
| [11:59:37] | Jordack: | if your plugging your cable line directly into your TV. Then use analog |
| [11:59:51] | lasers: | IR Receiver + IR Blaster. I hooked up IR Receiver to the HTPC. Still have another cable, which i believe is IR blaster. |
| [12:00:27] | Jordack: | When Comcast convertor to digital in my area the only channel I could get through the straight cable where local over the air. and they where at worse quality then if I had just put an anntena on my house |
| [12:01:02] | Jordack: | Ahh. should be good. there are alot of write up on gettin gthe blaster to work |
| [12:01:08] | lasers: | They called your house? Told you that they need to upgrade something? |
| [12:01:16] | lasers: | I have Mediacom (small town company) |
| [12:01:48] | Jordack: | No, they send you letters. and then they send you a box for convertor boxes that you have to hook up to your TV |
| [12:02:34] | Jordack: | they sent these, http://cdn.hometheaterforum.com/5/5b/5b62a7ce . . . e_42668.jpeg |
| [12:02:55] | lasers: | I tried to get a converter box in the past (so I could hook it to my monitor using HDMI). They told me I had to sign up for hbo or starz or whatever. |
| [12:03:34] | lasers: | s/converter/cable box/ |
| [12:03:59] | Jordack: | If you have the basic basic cable server then they done want to give you a cable box. They only want to upsell you so you pay more money :( |
| [12:06:22] | lasers: | :( |
| [12:07:16] | Jordack: | Are you new to MythTV? |
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| [12:12:19] | lasers: | Yes. Well, I don't want to use mythtv. I have XBMC... and I don't record shows. |
| [12:12:30] | lasers: | I came in #mythtv — redirecting to here. |
| [12:12:54] | lasers: | I have known about mythtv for years. |
| [12:14:29] | lasers: | I recently bought 3 Dell U2412M Monitors so I'm going to sell my 40" TV that I haven't used much lately. Also, putting XBMC + Xbox360 + whatever to my monitors. No more TV. |
| [12:14:36] | jm|laptop: | hello :) |
| [12:14:51] | Jordack: | I love my Myth box. All the work these guys do on it is awesome. I'm not home enough to watcht the programs I want to. so go home. No comcercials watch on my time. I even converted all my DVD put them on the Myth Box and packed them up. |
| [12:14:53] | lasers: | hello. :) |
| [12:14:54] | jm|laptop: | would someone cluebat me regarding input priorities, please? |
| [12:15:04] | Jordack: | I found there was a wall behind the stack of DVD i had. |
| [12:15:13] | lasers: | Jordack: They record CC too? |
| [12:15:21] | lasers: | Jordack: I need CC. I'm deaf. :) |
| [12:16:07] | Jordack: | Im pretty sure it can. I know it has the option to turn it on and off. but never played with it. |
| [12:16:23] | jm|laptop: | I have two HD tuners and an SD tuner. Each HD tuner is set for 4 recordings each. How can I make it so that the scheduler uses all of the available slots there before using the SD tuner? |
| [12:17:04] | jm|laptop: | I have changed the Schedule priority to low on the HD and high on the SD in mythtv-setup |
| [12:17:07] | Jordack: | jm, do you use program priorities as well? |
| [12:17:15] | lasers: | Jordack: "Max. resolution up to 720x576" |
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| [12:17:29] | jm|laptop: | Jordack: I think maybe sometimes, but it's legacy I should think |
| [12:17:34] | lasers: | Jordack: I think I'll upgrade to 1920x1200 if any. |
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| [12:18:04] | jm|laptop: | Jordack: For some reason it's ignoring a perfectly good HD slot for an SD slot on a +1 channel :/ |
| [12:18:14] | jm|laptop: | on a card with a lower priority, afaik |
| [12:18:40] | jm|laptop: | when I make invisible all the channels on the SD card, it schedules it quite happily on the HD card |
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| [12:19:55] | Jordack: | i used to use tuner priorites, gave the preffered tuner a high priorty. but found myth would skip some shows when i also used schedule priroties as well. SO i just hid all the low def channels when there was a hd version |
| [12:20:47] | jm|laptop: | Jordack: I have hidden the SD variants of the /channel/ but it's still finding 'repeats' of the show on a +1 channel, in this instance |
| [12:20:56] | Jordack: | lasers you wont regret it. :) I went from a low def cieling projector to a 52 hidef TV. and while the screen size is much smaller it still perfer it |
| [12:20:58] | lasers: | Jordack: You should play with it for a bit. (The CC) |
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| [12:21:22] | jm|laptop: | I'll remove programme priorities |
| [12:21:25] | Jordack: | lasers: ill have to give it a try |
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| [12:23:56] | dekarl-too: | jm|laptop: you want to a) add the HD tuners first, then the SD tuner (and push up the virtual tuners DIRECTLY WHEN ADDING the tuner) and b) you want to give the SD tuner a lower input priority (e.g. -1 for SD and 0 for HD) |
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| [12:24:27] | jm|laptop: | orly |
| [12:24:30] | dekarl-too: | that way you end up with HD1a-d, HD2a-d then SD1a-d (I made the names up ) |
| [12:24:38] | jm|laptop: | I think I might have been doing the reverse |
| [12:24:43] | jm|laptop: | I'll give that a try |
| [12:24:54] | Jordack: | maybe thats when my was whacking out. I had the HD +1 and the SD 0 |
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| [12:30:22] | jm|laptop: | dekarl-too: I have Input priority and Schedule order |
| [12:31:19] | jm|laptop: | "the scheduler will choose the available input with the lowest, non-zero value" it says |
| [12:31:33] | jm|laptop: | so I'm guessing my HD inputs should be like -1 |
| [12:33:27] | dekarl-too: | hmm, I think that refers to schedule order |
| [12:33:38] | jm|laptop: | oh. Yes. |
| [12:34:05] | jm|laptop: | so I need higher for Input prio. and lower but not 0 for Schedule? |
| [12:34:19] | dekarl-too: | so you have 12 recorders and can give them the order 1,2,3,4 for the first HD card, 5,6,7,8 for the second HD card and 9,10,11,12 for the SD card |
| [12:34:41] | dekarl-too: | I'm not really sure how the input priority and the recorder order work together |
| [12:34:41] | jm|laptop: | can I? Where do I do that, please? |
| [12:35:20] | jm|laptop: | I'm in input connections and I seem to be only setting priorities for the physical tuner – not the virtual ones |
| [12:36:01] | dekarl-too: | jm|laptop: I'm reading this mail atm http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /330503.html was a high google hit when looking for the recorder order |
| [12:37:03] | jm|laptop: | thanks. *reads* |
| [12:37:39] | dekarl-too: | hmm, sounds like you will set it to 1 for the first physical card, 2 for the second physical card and 3 for the SD card |
| [12:37:56] | jm|laptop: | for input? |
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| [12:38:30] | dekarl-too: | aye, for each input. and set the priority of each input to 0 |
| [12:38:52] | dekarl-too: | or go with the priority and leave the order alone (the mail makes it sound like that would work, too) |
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| [12:39:38] | jm|laptop: | reading it, looks like input 1, 2, 3 for input and schedule might work |
| [12:39:41] | ** jm|laptop tries ** | |
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| [12:42:52] | jm|laptop: | >.< |
| [12:43:48] | jm|laptop: | MythTV Status: This episode will be recorded at a later time instead. |
| [12:44:10] | jm|laptop: | I guess I could force the HD channel in the schedule itself :/ |
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| [12:50:12] | jm|laptop: | hmm. Myth seems to think that ITV1 HD isn't HD. Stupid ITV EIT probably being stupid. |
| [12:54:51] | dekarl-too: | jm|laptop: are you using priorities based on the HD flag on the program? |
| [12:55:01] | jm|laptop: | not currently |
| [12:55:21] | dekarl-too: | do your SD/HD channels have different priority? |
| [12:55:54] | dekarl-too: | jm|laptop: btw is that Freeview or Freesat or similar? |
| [12:56:02] | jm|laptop: | I didn't realise you could set priorities by channel |
| [12:56:10] | jm|laptop: | I see 'recpriority' now |
| [12:56:20] | jm|laptop: | yes, it's Freeview. |
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| [12:57:42] | jm|laptop: | I had a new aerial installed today. HD channels have gone a bit choppy :/ |
| [12:59:16] | dekarl-too: | hmm, you should have 2 video sources, "Freeview only" and "Freeview + Freeview HD" (names don't matter, just that each set of channels that the tuners can tune are seperate) the HD channels should have a higher priority then the SD channels and the SD card should be tried before the HD card (recording order). Is that correct? |
| [13:00:33] | dekarl-too: | You want to give both copies of the SD channels the same callsign/channel id so both LiveTV and recordings consider them the same. The HD channels should get the same callsign (used for "record on channel X") maybe the corresponding +1/+24 channel, too |
| [13:00:41] | jm|laptop: | I have two sources, yes. SD EIT and HD EIT. I have also hidden SD BBC1, ITV and CH4. What I haven't tried yet is setting /channel/ priority |
| [13:00:47] | jm|laptop: | I need to look at this |
| [13:01:06] | dekarl-too: | hmm, if they are hidden they are completely ignored, that should work, too |
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| [13:30:24] | tekdoc: | brfransen: I noticed something interesting today during my HVR-1800 testing |
| [13:31:44] | tekdoc: | brfransen: I found that if you tune to a channel with MythTv (and I can still only do this with the raw device) |
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| [13:32:44] | tekdoc: | brfransen: I get the desaturation / distortion we have been experiencing. But... |
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| [13:36:58] | tekdoc: | devinheitmueller: have some new info for you |
| [13:37:07] | devinheitmueller: | tekdoc: oh? |
| [13:37:13] | devinheitmueller: | I'm listening. |
| [13:37:20] | jya: | any user of Airplay video here? |
| [13:37:58] | tekdoc: | I only get the distorted video with cat /dev/video1 > /tmp/foo.mpg after running mythtv |
| [13:38:24] | tekdoc: | if I tune using a different app first, there is no distortion |
| [13:40:13] | brfransen: | tekdoc: that is interesting but it wasn't my experience. After a reboot I would use ivtv-tune to set channel and I would get the distortion. |
| [13:40:32] | brfransen: | 1800 was not setup in myth. |
| [13:41:11] | tekdoc: | brfransen: I kind of figured that out because in myth, there is no way to use /dev/video1 |
| [13:41:17] | tekdoc: | I tried everything |
| [13:41:36] | tekdoc: | but you can use /dev/video0 |
| [13:41:55] | tekdoc: | but like I said, that causes the distortion |
| [13:42:32] | tekdoc: | which can be eliminated by tuning with something like tvtime |
| [13:43:33] | brfransen: | what do you mean there is no way to use /dev/video1 in myth? |
| [13:43:36] | tekdoc: | problem is, in myth, video is always distorted |
| [13:44:37] | tekdoc: | if I select /dev/video1 and try to use it as an mpeg2 device, the frontend will not play video |
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| [13:46:00] | tekdoc: | but the device is working on my system and I get clean mpg captures outside of myth |
| [13:47:08] | devinheitmueller: | hmmm... |
| [13:47:35] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I was really hoping to be able to reproduce the behavior without building a full myth system, so if we have a sequence of commands that shows the problem that would be great. |
| [13:47:51] | tekdoc: | I can do a before myth and after myth capture if you would like to see it |
| [13:48:04] | devinheitmueller: | My plan was to just bootstrap a stock ubuntu build, install the latest kernel, run a few v4l2-ctl commands and debug from there. |
| [13:49:20] | tekdoc: | ivtv-tune must be triggering the problem just like myth |
| [13:49:47] | devinheitmueller: | brfransen: if you're seeing it with ivtv-tune, can you come up with a concise set of commands to reproduce? |
| [13:50:07] | tekdoc: | I have not used that app...just myth and we seem to be having the same problem |
| [13:50:41] | devinheitmueller: | tekdoc: ivtv-tune is just another command line tool, similar to v4l2-ctl. |
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| [13:51:07] | tekdoc: | gotcha |
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| [13:54:00] | brfransen: | devinheitmueller: I will do it over the weekend. |
| [13:54:17] | devinheitmueller: | brfransen: thansk. |
| [13:54:37] | pyrodex: | I've recently been given upgrades of a few SD channels now in HD and I've gone into Schedules direct and disabled the SD channels in my lineup in favor of the HD channels. When I run mythfilldatabase it doesn't seem to remove the older channels. Is there a way to force the older channels to be removed from the listings? Running 0.25 fixes for reference. |
| [13:55:33] | tekdoc: | I just tried with ivtv-tune and got clean video afterwards |
| [13:56:04] | brfransen: | devinheitmueller: do you want me to build a newer tree than my month old one? |
| [13:56:29] | devinheitmueller: | if it isn't too much trouble. Then at least we're on the same starting point and you can try patches once they're available. |
| [13:56:52] | brfransen: | will do |
| [13:57:34] | tekdoc: | ran, myth again, re-tested and distortion is back |
| [13:58:47] | tekdoc: | BTW, I have backed up to this commit c81c0060acff726dc582185da303b3057d780af7 |
| [13:59:09] | tekdoc: | which should rule out Steven's latest patches as the cause |
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| [14:06:02] | devinheitmueller: | tekdoc: hmm, ok. |
| [14:06:27] | devinheitmueller: | I don't actually have a git client and gitweb sucks for this sort of thing, so I cannot see the surrounding history at this time. |
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| [14:06:42] | devinheitmueller: | That said though, that's good to know. |
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| [14:07:01] | tekdoc: | OK |
| [14:07:36] | devinheitmueller: | tekdoc: Hey, does your board have the A/V inputs as well? |
| [14:08:24] | tekdoc: | devinheitmueller: Yes. I think it's a HP OEM board. |
| [14:08:26] | devinheitmueller: | One thing that we don't know yet is if the problem is related to the tuner or onboard DIF, or whether it's in the video decoder. If we could see if the problem occurs with the composite or s-video, that would cut the problem in half. |
| [14:08:59] | devinheitmueller: | (meaning it would narrow down the logical block within the chip causing the issue) |
| [14:10:19] | tekdoc: | I might be able to hook up an old VCR... |
| [14:10:48] | devinheitmueller: | VCR, DVD player, game console, whatever. |
| [14:11:02] | devinheitmueller: | Hell, my digital camera has a composite output. |
| [14:11:43] | tekdoc: | I'll find something and let you know my results later |
| [14:11:47] | devinheitmueller: | thanks |
| [14:12:25] | tekdoc: | getting tons of these now: cx23885_video_wakeup: 0 buffers handled (should be 1) |
| [14:12:34] | tekdoc: | that's new... |
| [14:13:56] | pyrodex: | Any idea on the channel clean up thing by chance? |
| [14:16:08] | devinheitmueller: | tekdoc: did you change the driver's logging level? |
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| [14:17:43] | tekdoc: | no changes there |
| [14:17:51] | devinheitmueller: | strange. |
| [14:17:59] | devinheitmueller: | Maybe the data pump is sick. Try rebooting. |
| [14:18:38] | tekdoc: | will do. I am going to play around with the composite input. be back later. |
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| [14:35:29] | pyrodex: | I've recently been given upgrades of a few SD channels now in HD and I've gone into Schedules direct and disabled the SD channels in my lineup in favor of the HD channels. When I run mythfilldatabase it doesn't seem to remove the older channels. Is there a way to force the older channels to be removed from the listings? Running 0.25 fixes for reference. |
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| [15:08:31] | dekarl-too: | FabriceMG: I vaguely remember seeing a page with information about the different french XMLTV grabbers somewhere, can you add it to http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/France ? |
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| [15:14:32] | tekdoc: | devinheitmueller: S-video is black & white on /dev/video1 and /dev/video0 but there is no distortion |
| [15:14:37] | FabriceMG: | dekarl-too, it's just for xmltv.org and all HTPC distribution? |
| [15:15:10] | devinheitmueller: | tekdoc: hmm. |
| [15:15:11] | tekdoc: | devinheitmueller: framerate is very low on /dev/video1 |
| [15:15:27] | devinheitmueller: | Is the video standard set to NTSC? |
| [15:15:28] | dekarl-too: | FabriceMG: yes, the wiki is for all kinds HTPC |
| [15:15:43] | devinheitmueller: | v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video0 -s 1 |
| [15:15:45] | tekdoc: | let me check that... |
| [15:16:15] | FabriceMG: | We made a comparison between all versions of XMLTV grabber in French |
| [15:16:18] | dekarl-too: | I would like to collect all the links to the various countries guides/grabbers in one place :) |
| [15:16:28] | FabriceMG: | http://mythtv-fr.org/wiki/comparatif_grabber |
| [15:17:00] | dekarl-too: | ahhh, there it is, thanks |
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| [15:18:14] | tekdoc: | hmmm. it was set to ntsc-m |
| [15:20:30] | devinheitmueller: | ok |
| [15:20:42] | devinheitmueller: | Interesting. Wondering if there are two separate issues there. |
| [15:21:08] | devinheitmueller: | Wait, did you *say* it was set to NTSC, or did you actually run the command I gave you? |
| [15:21:21] | devinheitmueller: | (perhaps the reporting of the standard is not consistent with the actual state of the chip) |
| [15:21:21] | tekdoc: | both |
| [15:21:27] | devinheitmueller: | Hmmm... |
| [15:21:42] | tekdoc: | still B&W |
| [15:21:46] | devinheitmueller: | Are you capturing on composite or s-video? |
| [15:22:18] | tekdoc: | s-video. I guess you need an adapter to use composite with this board and I can't find one. |
| [15:23:04] | devinheitmueller: | Try composite. B/W video can happen if the inputs traces are shared by both and you are in a state where you are feeding it s-video but the chip is configured for composite. |
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| [15:24:02] | devinheitmueller: | (many hardware designs share the same wire for both the composite line and the s-video's luma input line) |
| [15:24:08] | tekdoc: | I'll look around & see if I can find an adapter... |
| [15:24:36] | devinheitmueller: | Can you provide a screenshot of the video? |
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| [15:26:25] | tekdoc: | sure. what's the best way to do that with tvtime? |
| [15:26:46] | devinheitmueller: | Same as you did before. Just a screenshot of the desktop. |
| [15:26:55] | devinheitmueller: | Doh, nevermind, that wasn't you. |
| [15:27:04] | devinheitmueller: | (I'm debugging an issue over on #v4l with another user) |
| [15:27:24] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, most distros include a screenshot function (I know that Gnome provides one) |
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| [15:29:05] | tekdoc: | weird...I don't know where gnome is putting my screenshots |
| [15:29:29] | devinheitmueller: | I believe they get written to the desktop by default. |
| [15:29:44] | devinheitmueller: | as something like Screenshot.png |
| [15:30:13] | tekdoc: | or my home folder but it's not there |
| [15:30:19] | devinheitmueller: | weird. |
| [15:31:00] | tekdoc: | I think they changed the behavior in gnome 3.4 |
| [15:31:08] | tekdoc: | this is pissing me off |
| [15:31:22] | devinheitmueller: | Possibly. I don't know. |
| [15:31:49] | tekdoc: | give me a minute to find out where the screenshots went |
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| [15:35:23] | FabriceMG: | This has happened twice with 0.25. |
| [15:35:23] | FabriceMG: | I watch LiveTV, a program that will be recorded by the same tuner. |
| [15:35:23] | FabriceMG: | Window asking if you want to continue or exit LiveTV. |
| [15:35:23] | FabriceMG: | If asked to stay on LiveTV, it does not work and you leave the LiveTV |
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| [15:47:31] | tekdoc: | devinheitmueller: sorry about that. here's a screenshot: http://i50.tinypic.com/35cide8.png |
| [15:48:08] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that looks like capturing in composite mode even though you're using s-video cables. |
| [15:48:34] | devinheitmueller: | Either that, or the board profile is wrong. |
| [15:48:50] | devinheitmueller: | That said though, it seems that the corruption then is definitely an issue with the tuner chip configuration or the DIF. |
| [15:48:55] | devinheitmueller: | ... which is really good to know. |
| [15:49:06] | tekdoc: | glad to be able to help |
| [15:49:18] | devinheitmueller: | And this occurs even before Steven's patches? |
| [15:49:36] | tekdoc: | yes. I took them out of the equation. |
| [15:49:48] | devinheitmueller: | ok |
| [15:52:02] | jm|laptop: | For ITV1 HD myth refuses to believe that any of the channels are HD |
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| [15:54:44] | dekarl-too: | jm|laptop: MythTV doesnt know anything at all about channels being HD or radio, it only know if programmes are HD/surround/widescreen/etc |
| [15:55:06] | jm|laptop: | "For Brits, Christmas often means cold weather, roast dinners and open fires – but in Sydney it is sunshine, barbecues and beaches, which can be a strange experience for expats. [HD] (Stereo) " |
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| [15:55:17] | jm|laptop: | it's picking it up there but no yellow 'HD' in mythweb |
| [15:55:23] | dekarl-too: | if the events don't have the right flags in the EIT then MythTV doesn't know |
| [15:57:01] | jm|laptop: | dekarl: thanks for your help earlier. I have set recpriority of -10 for ITV1 +1 and 10 for ITV1 HD but it still insists on using the former at least for showings of this particular show |
| [15:57:07] | dekarl-too: | jm|laptop: the same event has the "HD" sign in the frontend but not in mythweb? Could be that you has collapsed ITV1 and ITV1 HD into one channel and see the SD variant in Mythweb ;) |
| [15:58:23] | jm|laptop: | Followed by a national weather forecast and all the news and weather in your region. [Upscaled HD] (Stereo) |
| [15:58:37] | jm|laptop: | "Upscaled HD" suggets it's the HD listing |
| [15:58:43] | jm|laptop: | I have two sources, as we discussed earlier |
| [15:59:17] | dekarl-too: | ohhh, "Upcaled HD" suggests both are "just text" but not proper attributes |
| [15:59:25] | jm|laptop: | aye |
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| [15:59:51] | jm|laptop: | I wonder where the attribute is |
| [16:00:46] | ** jm|laptop looks at eitcache ** | |
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| [16:00:50] | dekarl-too: | sounds like you have to extend this function https://github.com/atlasapi/ |
| [16:00:53] | dekarl-too: | hmm |
| [16:01:06] | dekarl-too: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . xup.cpp#L663 |
| [16:01:08] | dekarl-too: | better |
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| [16:03:06] | dekarl-too: | jm|laptop: bbl |
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| [17:34:46] | eye69: | Hello. When I try to change channel in live tv with my remotes number buttons it inserts underscores (_) between the numbers. I found only a couple of Google results which don't result in anything... |
| [17:35:58] | wagnerrp: | your remote does automatically? |
| [17:36:41] | eye69: | Checking the input with irw shows no underscore or anything... |
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| [17:37:16] | eye69: | ffff2d4000000000 00 1 HarmonyOne |
| [17:37:16] | eye69: | ffff2d4000000000 01 1 HarmonyOne |
| [17:37:28] | eye69: | That's from pressing button 1 once |
| [17:37:53] | wagnerrp: | then apparently mythtv is trying to match underscore-less channels with the real names stored in the database |
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| [17:39:12] | eye69: | Trying '12' shows up as 1_2 on OSD |
| [17:39:30] | wagnerrp: | plus, you may have to tweak the repeat settings in your lircrc for the computer controlled keypress duration on the harmonys |
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| [17:50:52] | pyrodex: | I've recently been given upgrades of a few SD channels now in HD and I've gone into Schedules direct and disabled the SD channels in my lineup in favor of the HD channels. When I run mythfilldatabase it doesn't seem to remove the older channels. Is there a way to force the older channels to be removed from the listings? Running 0.25 fixes for reference. |
| [17:52:04] | wagnerrp: | are these analog or digital? |
| [17:52:10] | pyrodex: | Digital |
| [17:52:16] | pyrodex: | I have 0 analog |
| [17:52:17] | wagnerrp: | they they will not get updated |
| [17:52:28] | pyrodex: | So I have to purge out the old channels? |
| [17:52:36] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct does not carry sufficient data to allow us to tune digital channels |
| [17:52:41] | wagnerrp: | you must scan in the new channels |
| [17:52:48] | wagnerrp: | and match them up with the xmltvid |
| [17:53:08] | wagnerrp: | well... let me rephrase.... |
| [17:53:14] | pyrodex: | The new channels are already there without issue. I just unchecked the SD versions in SchedulesDirect and was hoping it would purge them from the DB |
| [17:53:14] | wagnerrp: | do you tune them with one value or two? |
| [17:53:46] | pyrodex: | I just want to remove them permanently from someone selecting them in the guide |
| [17:54:03] | wagnerrp: | what kind of tuner are you using to record? |
| [17:54:04] | pyrodex: | I have HDHR Primes for reference |
| [17:54:13] | pyrodex: | with CC |
| [17:54:25] | wagnerrp: | ok, then these are for mythtv's purposes "analog" |
| [17:54:35] | pyrodex: | ahhh ok good to know |
| [17:54:44] | wagnerrp: | since youre just using a single virtual channel mapping |
| [17:54:45] | pyrodex: | sorry for that. |
| [17:54:56] | wagnerrp: | rather than a physical channel and stream id |
| [17:55:34] | wagnerrp: | on 0.25, mythtv should be capable of synchronizing your cablecard lineup against schedules direct |
| [17:55:44] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you configured it to prevent such at some point? |
| [17:55:51] | pyrodex: | Not that I am aware of... |
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| [17:55:55] | pyrodex: | Where could I check that out? |
| [17:56:00] | pyrodex: | for confirmation |
| [17:56:07] | pyrodex: | It did add the new channels |
| [17:56:19] | pyrodex: | but didn't remove the old ones once they were disabled in SD. |
| [17:56:21] | wagnerrp: | oh, it added new, it just did not delete old? |
| [17:56:27] | pyrodex: | Yup |
| [17:56:30] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im not sure if it will actually do that |
| [17:56:36] | pyrodex: | Ahh ok |
| [17:57:06] | wizbit: | is there a connection between OCD and MythTV ? |
| [17:57:10] | wagnerrp: | try running 'mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels' |
| [17:57:36] | pyrodex: | running now. |
| [17:58:15] | pyrodex: | Still there |
| [17:58:31] | wizbit: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%80% . . . ive_disorder |
| [17:58:31] | pyrodex: | I even tried a dd-grab-all earlier in my testing |
| [17:58:51] | pyrodex: | LOl I don't have OCD …. 1,2,3 |
| [17:59:36] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: why can ATSC/QAM tuners operate in both modes, but DVB tuners need separate frontends for different modes? |
| [17:59:49] | pyrodex: | I could technically go into the DB and remove the channels and purge the program data for them just didn't know if that was a feature of the recent changes in 0.25 |
| [18:00:21] | wagnerrp: | pyrodex: or go into the channel editor and delete them |
| [18:00:27] | pyrodex: | Yea I figured |
| [18:00:28] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: depends on the underlying hardware design. There are DVB chips out there that support multiple modes. |
| [18:00:45] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, I think I know what you mean. |
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| [18:01:22] | wagnerrp: | i.e.... why can NA tuners do it without a problem, but european tuners need some special prodding and a different DVBAPI call |
| [18:01:35] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, the issue is that for ATSC/QAM in both cases they use the FE_ATSC type. |
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| [18:01:48] | eye69: | wagnerrp: Strange...I've changed to "repeat=0" in my /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc but it still repeats in irw |
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| [18:02:03] | devinheitmueller: | The big change is now there is a DTV_DELIVERY_SYSTEM that makes them all work the same way. |
| [18:02:03] | wagnerrp: | function of some kind of multi-chip arrangement on the DVB cards? |
| [18:02:21] | wagnerrp: | eye69: irw does not read lircrc |
| [18:02:28] | wagnerrp: | it just spits out everything it receives to the terminal |
| [18:02:39] | wagnerrp: | the lircrc is to tell individual applications how they are supposed to react to such inputs |
| [18:03:05] | devinheitmueller: | It's mostly historical. The earlier products supported was all oriented around DVB, and they didn't conceive of the possibility of a single chip being able to support multiple types. |
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| [18:04:06] | devinheitmueller: | ... and due to limitations in the FE_GET_INFO call and backward compatibility concerns, when such chips *did* arrive, developers hacked around the problem by having a single chip with multiple frontend device nodes. |
| [18:04:15] | eye69: | Ah, ok. What should I use to see what is received by the apps? |
| [18:04:42] | wagnerrp: | eye69: applications all receive the same information as irw is showing you |
| [18:04:53] | wagnerrp: | the application itself reads the lircrc to determine what action to take |
| [18:06:38] | eye69: | Ok. Well, as said I changed to repeat=0, so that shouldn't be a problem. You said something about parsing channels without underscores? Shouldn't it just choose the channel number that I input, as it does when using the keyboard? |
| [18:07:04] | eye69: | Somehow it inputs underscores, and they don't _seem_ to come from the remote itself |
| [18:07:06] | wagnerrp: | typically digital channels use two different channel numbers |
| [18:07:15] | wagnerrp: | virtual channel, and virtual subchannel |
| [18:07:24] | wagnerrp: | split with an underscore or dash |
| [18:07:35] | wagnerrp: | that was just a guess |
| [18:07:43] | wagnerrp: | i dont know where the underscore would be coming from |
| [18:07:50] | wagnerrp: | as i cant imagine mythtv would actually be inserting it on its own |
| [18:08:17] | eye69: | Ok. I'm running DVB, and only have a number in channels.channum |
| [18:09:08] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: DVB channels dont separate the two different values like ATSC? just a single virtual mapping? |
| [18:09:43] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: I believe that's correct. |
| [18:10:06] | devinheitmueller: | With DVB they didn't include the requirement that there be some artificial correlation to the old analog channel numbers. |
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| [18:10:22] | devinheitmueller: | ... or perhaps I misunderstood your question. |
| [18:10:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that was it |
| [18:10:55] | devinheitmueller: | The whole notion of having channel "5.1" so that people would understand that it corresponded to the old NTSC channel 5. |
| [18:11:06] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: eye69 is typing numbers into a harmony, and somehow underscores are getting added in |
| [18:11:30] | wagnerrp: | my only guess was that was some sort of intelligent lookup mythtv was doing to try to match what was typed |
| [18:11:33] | devinheitmueller: | Beats me. Perhaps Myth is converting spaces to underscores? |
| [18:11:40] | wagnerrp: | but i actually have no idea if we do such a thing |
| [18:11:51] | devinheitmueller: | I don't know Myth's internals well enough to speculate. |
| [18:12:18] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, one more relevant point about your frontend question... |
| [18:13:44] | wagnerrp: | the question was just one of curiosity, why DVB users were having such problems, but ATSC users were not |
| [18:13:47] | devinheitmueller: | The reason ATSC and ClearQAM get away with using FE_ATSC for both is because VSB always means terrestrial, and QAM always means cable. With DVB, you can actually have the same modulation type used by multiple systems. For example, you can have the QAM modulation used for both DVB-T and DVB-C. Hence you cannot simply say "QAM" because the driver won't know whether you're talking about terrestrial QAM or cable QAM. |
| [18:14:19] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [18:16:03] | devinheitmueller: | Hence you have FE_OFDM for DVB-T and FE_QAM for DVB-C needing to be specified. EXCEPT**: FE_GET_INFO only lets you return one frontend type. Hence the multiple frontends — or now that's why they got rid of multiple frontends and moved to DTV_DELIVERY_SYSTEM. |
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| [18:17:20] | devinheitmueller: | http://linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis/dvb . . . ml#fe-type-t |
| [18:17:42] | devinheitmueller: | Wow, please tell me they didn't end up mandating that you specify DTV_DELIVERY_SYSTEM as SYS_DVBC_ANNEX_B for ClearQAM. That will really confuse people. |
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| [18:19:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: mythtv's "smart channel changing" finds channels based on number you typed in--you have never (in any version of mythtv) needed to actually type the separator between major/minor channel number |
| [18:20:51] | sphery: | (so, if you type in 51 and you have a 5_1 and no 51 channel number, it will change to 5_1... if you have both, it will go to 51) |
| [18:26:10] | Oleg_: | where is the setting for skipping commercials in mythtv? |
| [18:28:25] | Oleg_: | I wanna skip commercials in the video that I recorded |
| [18:28:40] | wagnerrp: | should be in playback settings |
| [18:29:04] | Oleg_: | oh, found it |
| [18:29:08] | wagnerrp: | there are three modes: automatic (always skips), notification (popup before commercial), and disabled |
| [18:29:44] | wagnerrp: | if youre on one of the latter two options, there are keyboard commands you can map to skip forward past a commercial |
| [18:37:11] | eye69: | I'm pressing 589 on the remote, and it comes up as 5_8_9...very weird |
| [18:37:49] | eye69: | Oh well, I'll just have to stick to the kb for going directly to channels instead of zapping |
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| [18:56:22] | sphery: | eye69: have you tried using an actual keyboard to find out if it's just a remote/lirc configuration issue? |
| [18:56:38] | sphery: | oh, "stick to the kb" seems to imply that works... |
| [18:56:57] | sphery: | if so, no idea what could be causing that in the remote config |
| [18:57:37] | sphery: | but, yeah, you can work around it with either browse mode or using the EPG to select a channel |
| [18:57:52] | sphery: | or just use a keyboard |
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| [18:58:39] | uh992k: | good evening |
| [18:58:52] | uh992k: | this bloody scheduler still makes me crazy ... this thing is broken ... obviously |
| [18:59:24] | sphery: | broken in that it does exactly what you ask of it? |
| [18:59:38] | uh992k: | no, it doesn't do what I want |
| [18:59:50] | sphery: | I didn't say "what you want"--I said, "what you ask" |
| [18:59:52] | uh992k: | I scheduled a couple of shows over EPG |
| [19:00:07] | sphery: | what you want requires asking the right thing :) |
| [19:00:11] | uh992k: | and I choose "record in this time slot every day/week" |
| [19:00:11] | eye69: | sphery: Yes, as you guessed going directly to a channel using the kb works just fine. |
| [19:00:20] | uh992k: | and it does exactly record once and then never again |
| [19:00:47] | sphery: | uh992k: "timeslot" rules are "at this exact same start (and end?) time |
| [19:00:55] | uh992k: | yes this is the problem |
| [19:01:03] | uh992k: | sometimes they shift +/- 5min |
| [19:01:04] | sphery: | uh992k: I'm guessing you're using EIT (on-air guide data) and times change by minutes or seconds |
| [19:01:11] | uh992k: | yes |
| [19:01:32] | sphery: | if so, you need to /not/ use timeslot rules (which are, btw, almost *always* the wrong choice for anyone, even if their shows seem to be at the exact same start/end times) |
| [19:01:41] | sphery: | why not use "any time" rules? |
| [19:02:00] | uh992k: | because the show is repeated next time in the morning |
| [19:02:11] | uh992k: | I know there is a deduplication feature |
| [19:02:20] | sphery: | and the show has absolutely no distinguishing data? |
| [19:02:26] | uh992k: | but I want to have control about when it is recorded ... I don't want it to be recorded in the morning |
| [19:02:52] | uh992k: | because my pc is not always on |
| [19:02:54] | sphery: | i.e. MythTV can use programid (preferred--and used whenever available) or title/subtitle/description or title/subtitle or title/description to identify duplicates |
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| [19:03:15] | sphery: | if your pc is off in the morning, it won't record it then, but it will record it when it re-airs |
| [19:03:18] | uh992k: | yes, this would basically work but I couldn't choose to *only* record at the evening |
| [19:03:42] | sphery: | if you really think you want control, then /you/ are the broken scheduler (i.e. you need to actually do "this showing" rules for everything :) |
| [19:03:44] | uh992k: | it's not so easy, because I have ACPI wakeup which sets the RTC to the next recording |
| [19:03:54] | sphery: | why do you need "only at the evening"? |
| [19:04:12] | sphery: | and you want to make sure you don't wake the computer for the early showing? |
| [19:04:13] | uh992k: | because I don't want my pc to be switched on at 10am |
| [19:04:19] | sphery: | (different power rates or something?) |
| [19:04:25] | sphery: | if so, you need Custom/Power rules |
| [19:04:28] | uh992k: | that's too complicated |
| [19:04:29] | sphery: | which allow you to control everything |
| [19:04:52] | uh992k: | I can't do custom rules additionally to my scheduling rules to fix what my scheduler made wrong |
| [19:05:16] | uh992k: | it simply has to record one appearning of the show every day but not before 18 o'clock |
| [19:05:31] | uh992k: | this "prime time" feature is >= 19 && <23 |
| [19:05:42] | sphery: | or you can use override rules (do a normal "anytime" rule, then on "Upcoming Recordings", say "Don't record" and/or "Record this particular showing" to control which ones are recorded) |
| [19:06:07] | sphery: | custom/power rules allow you to define all of the criteria |
| [19:06:10] | uh992k: | ah ... I didn't know there is such a feature |
| [19:06:32] | uh992k: | my acpi wakeup time is externally set by a python script which uses the mythtv api |
| [19:06:34] | sphery: | you could say, "Record this show only on the 2nd tuesday of every month in odd years after 6pm local time" |
| [19:06:56] | uh992k: | this would be nice, if possible :) |
| [19:07:04] | sphery: | yeah, but in theory, it could wake up the pc, record, then shut down when it's done |
| [19:07:14] | sphery: | "in theory" = "if you configure it properly" |
| [19:07:24] | sphery: | anyway, custom rules are possible--I have several |
| [19:07:24] | uh992k: | yes, that's my problem |
| [19:07:41] | uh992k: | of course I could adjust every timer to ... && HOUR(program.starttime) > 18 for instance |
| [19:07:58] | sphery: | right |
| [19:08:17] | uh992k: | a good scheduler should know what I want from it :) |
| [19:08:32] | sphery: | or just write your ACPI wakeup script to ignore requests to wake before 1800, and instead wake at 1800 |
| [19:08:46] | sphery: | we're still working on the mind-reading scheduler |
| [19:08:58] | uh992k: | no, I don't want to compensate bad timer schedules with custom acpi wakeup scripts |
| [19:09:00] | sphery: | the current prototype isn't bad--and is yielding excellent results |
| [19:09:14] | uh992k: | when it is finished? :) |
| [19:09:25] | sphery: | unfortunately, the brain probes are permanent and the wires max out at about 3ft |
| [19:09:34] | uh992k: | "siri please record this show every day but not in the morning" :) |
| [19:10:11] | uh992k: | the funny part is ... there is a recording filter which is called "first appearance" or something |
| [19:10:17] | uh992k: | I would exactly need the opposite |
| [19:10:27] | sphery: | here's the dev who's working on the thought-control interface: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thum . . . pinhead2.png |
| [19:10:36] | tgm4883: | sounds like you could do a custom rule |
| [19:10:45] | uh992k: | lol yeah, I know him ... he is really cool :D |
| [19:10:49] | sphery: | yes, a custom rule would do exactly as you want :) |
| [19:10:59] | tgm4883: | sphery, similar to what we were discussing yesterday |
| [19:11:12] | uh992k: | but I don't always want to enter "&& HOUR(program.starttime) > 18" ... |
| [19:11:14] | sphery: | yeah, but he wants later showing in a day |
| [19:11:24] | uh992k: | I would like to have the recording filter dialog customizable |
| [19:11:33] | sphery: | uh992k: that said, really, you could even use a "any time" rule |
| [19:11:41] | sphery: | uh992k: and get it to only record the 1800 or later showing |
| [19:11:45] | uh992k: | yes |
| [19:11:52] | tgm4883: | uh992k, so let me see if I understand this. You want to do something, but you don't want to put forth the effort to do it? |
| [19:12:15] | tgm4883: | I got to think this is a pretty niche case |
| [19:12:15] | uh992k: | sure I could put effort in it, but it should be easy |
| [19:12:27] | tgm4883: | see "niche case" above |
| [19:12:32] | sphery: | uh992k: just pick the 1800 showing, "Find and record one showing of this title each day" (or week), and you're done |
| [19:12:49] | uh992k: | actually, I would like the timeslot-thing adjust in this way that it is tolerant about shifts of about +/-5min |
| [19:13:15] | sphery: | uh992k: because that will set the "start" of the day to 1800 (or, pick a 1755 or 1750 showing--the earliest one you can in the range you're looking at) |
| [19:13:17] | tgm4883: | is the timeslot tolerant of those shifts? |
| [19:13:34] | sphery: | so it will always record the first showing of the show after the "day start" |
| [19:13:45] | sphery: | no, timeslot is exact start/end |
| [19:14:02] | uh992k: | in combination with EIT/EPG it is exactly useless |
| [19:14:09] | sphery: | uh992k: see the above |
| [19:14:15] | sphery: | it's easy, it works, it does what you want |
| [19:14:17] | tgm4883: | sphery, from a non-code standpoint, wouldn't it make more sense to have a buffer? |
| [19:14:20] | sphery: | the problem is you're saying "this channel |
| [19:14:22] | tgm4883: | or do schedules not usually change? |
| [19:14:26] | sphery: | er, "this timeslot" |
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| [19:14:45] | sphery: | tgm4883: no, doesn't make any sense, because no one should be using timeslot rules :) |
| [19:14:53] | uh992k: | I experienced that one day my show is broadcast at 18:55, the next day at 18:57, then at 19:00 |
| [19:14:57] | tgm4883: | sphery, well from that POV, you should remove them completetly |
| [19:15:09] | sphery: | timeslot are designed to solve a particular problem, and are almost always abused by people who don't understand |
| [19:15:23] | tgm4883: | not to go too OT, but which problem? |
| [19:15:27] | uh992k: | at least there should be "record this programm about at this time every day and be tolerant about shifts" |
| [19:15:37] | sphery: | timeslot rules are /only/ for shows that have no distinguishing guide data--i.e. when dup matching doesn't work |
| [19:15:43] | uh992k: | tolerant should be like "+/- the half of the length of the show" |
| [19:16:07] | sphery: | i.e. The Daily Show is a good example: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/153872#153872 |
| [19:16:19] | tgm4883: | e.g.* |
| [19:16:48] | uh992k: | I read this thread a couple of days ago ... :) |
| [19:16:49] | tgm4883: | uh992k, maybe I missed it, but why don't you want to do any time? |
| [19:17:10] | sphery: | uh992k: do any time, exactly as I described and it will work |
| [19:17:14] | sphery: | 05.04 15:12:32 <+sphery> uh992k: just pick the 1800 showing, "Find and record one showing of this title each day" (or week), and you're done |
| [19:17:17] | uh992k: | because my scheduler would then record some days no appearance and on the other day 2 episodes |
| [19:17:19] | sphery: | 05.04 15:13:15 <+sphery> uh992k: because that will set the "start" of the day to 1800 (or, pick a 1755 or 1750 showing--the earliest one you can in the range you're looking at) |
| [19:17:27] | sphery: | 05.04 15:13:34 <+sphery> so it will always record the first showing of the show after the "day start" |
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| [19:17:46] | tgm4883: | uh992k, because your scheduling data is broken? |
| [19:17:59] | uh992k: | no ... I don't know why the scheduler shoose to do this |
| [19:18:02] | sphery: | again, the approach I mentioned will work |
| [19:18:04] | tgm4883: | sphery, the "day start" thing is very important data |
| [19:18:12] | sphery: | the approach I mentioned is what uh992k is asking for |
| [19:18:18] | sphery: | he just needs to try it |
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| [19:18:47] | uh992k: | hmm ... "that will set 'start' of the day to 1800"? |
| [19:18:54] | uh992k: | that's new information I didn't know |
| [19:18:55] | tgm4883: | uh992k, if it's not recording on some days, either the show isn't on that day or your scheduling data is broken |
| [19:19:04] | sphery: | if only someone had said that 5 min ago :) |
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| [19:19:11] | tgm4883: | ^^ |
| [19:19:31] | sphery: | or your machine was turned off at the time it aired |
| [19:19:32] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:19:40] | uh992k: | hmm |
| [19:19:48] | uh992k: | I have to read the thread you posted above |
| [19:19:54] | uh992k: | again^^ |
| [19:19:56] | sphery: | uh992k: no, you don't want what's in that thread |
| [19:19:58] | tgm4883: | which it still won't record if the machine is off |
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| [19:20:03] | sphery: | uh992k: that's for timeslot rules |
| [19:20:07] | sphery: | which are /not/ what you wahnt |
| [19:20:07] | tgm4883: | that is a limitation of most software, requires the computer to be on |
| [19:20:14] | sphery: | you want "Find and record one showing of this title each day" |
| [19:20:24] | sphery: | with an appropriate start time in the rule |
| [19:20:36] | uh992k: | k, I understand what you mean |
| [19:20:43] | uh992k: | I'll have to try this |
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| [19:21:11] | sphery: | the only reason I linked The Daily Show thread/message was because it's a good example of what timeslot rules are for |
| [19:21:26] | tgm4883: | sphery, is that information somewhere, because that seems like it could be a very big misunderstanding of "day" causing scheduling issues |
| [19:21:33] | sphery: | TDS is aired without any programid or without subtitle/description--because they don't know what's on it until too late |
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| [19:21:44] | uh992k: | k ... I'll just try it ... I hope it works |
| [19:21:56] | sphery: | and it's aired so many times in a day that you generally need a way to tell MythTV "this should be the new one" |
| [19:22:14] | sphery: | so a timeslot rule should work--and, generally, the show will occur at the same time (at least in some countries) |
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| [19:22:40] | sphery: | but if it doesn't, the scheduler tells you "this show doesn't exist in the timeslot you specified this week, so you better fix your schedule" |
| [19:22:43] | tgm4883: | sphery, true, but I could still see a reason for a few minute buffer |
| [19:22:50] | sphery: | and you can do an override/single-record rules |
| [19:23:09] | sphery: | tgm4883: no, those who need buffers use custom rules |
| [19:23:15] | sphery: | because that allows them the buffer they want |
| [19:23:29] | wagnerrp: | i dont get it... hardly any of these accounts ever even get authenticated such that they could spam the wiki |
| [19:23:31] | sphery: | there was a bug reported for it |
| [19:23:32] | wagnerrp: | so why bother? |
| [19:23:45] | sphery: | and, it /should/ be closed wontfix with a reference to custom rules |
| [19:23:53] | sphery: | just looking to make sure it it |
| [19:23:53] | tgm4883: | well yes, those that use the custom rules do so because a preset rule doesn't exist |
| [19:23:59] | sphery: | is/ and link it |
| [19:24:35] | sphery: | tgm4883: right, because the preset rule isn't right for the majority of people/isn't worth the added complexity for users trying to scheduler |
| [19:24:35] | uh992k: | hmm ... it looks good |
| [19:24:41] | uh992k: | there is just one thing ... |
| [19:24:48] | tgm4883: | sphery, true |
| [19:24:55] | tgm4883: | I concede |
| [19:24:59] | sphery: | i.e. it's already *so bad* that people generally set up MythTV systems and then end up creating rules for the kids and SO and ... |
| [19:25:03] | sphery: | because no one can figure it out |
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| [19:25:21] | sphery: | so adding more "corner-case" rules/variability makes it just that much harder |
| [19:25:22] | uh992k: | the "deduplication" doesn't recognize the recording from today ... after it would record on mondays in the morning it would only record at the evening afterwars |
| [19:25:25] | tgm4883: | sphery, well that is because nobody knows you can hit the record button in the scheduler multiple times |
| [19:25:33] | tgm4883: | there really needs to be better feedback there |
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| [19:25:40] | sphery: | hehe, and that :) |
| [19:26:06] | uh992k: | hit the record in the scheduler?^^ |
| [19:26:07] | wagnerrp: | uh992k: didnt you disable duplicate detection at some point while trying to fix this? |
| [19:26:26] | uh992k: | no ... I specified "look in futuer and history" or something like this |
| [19:27:00] | tgm4883: | uh992k, it should record monday evening |
| [19:27:02] | sphery: | uh992k: one more thing I should mention to you... if you do a "find daily" rule, if the start date (the day on which the episode you chose to create the rule) is on Mon-Fri, it will only record Mon-Fri... If you pick an episode whose start date is on Sat/Sun, it will record 7 days per week |
| [19:27:02] | uh992k: | but I don't care ... I just disable the recording of mondays in the morning and the rest works as expected (and hoped) |
| [19:27:24] | tgm4883: | sphery, ah, I didn't know that either ^^ |
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| [19:27:40] | sphery: | tgm4883: yeah, again, already too complex :) |
| [19:27:45] | uh992k: | hmm ... interesting |
| [19:27:45] | tgm4883: | sphery, there is a lot of this little stuff that I'm not sure is documented anywhere |
| [19:27:52] | uh992k: | yes ... too complex :) |
| [19:27:53] | tgm4883: | the mon-Fri/weekend thing |
| [19:28:02] | tgm4883: | the daily thing not actually starting at midnight |
| [19:28:04] | uh992k: | but I like the power-search ...! |
| [19:28:04] | tgm4883: | etc |
| [19:28:11] | sphery: | it's documented, but no one reads that documentation |
| [19:28:16] | sphery: | (i.e. section 12 of the HOWTO) |
| [19:28:33] | uh992k: | perhaps the documentation is too complex as well? :) |
| [19:28:35] | uh992k: | :D |
| [19:28:36] | tgm4883: | I think the problem is that there is at least 12 sections of the howto |
| [19:28:53] | tgm4883: | I'm not getting my PHD in MythTV |
| [19:28:56] | uh992k: | and the documentation doesn't explain "recording filters" |
| [19:29:03] | sphery: | and, yeah, power search is the "and everything else" for those things that aren't likely to be useful for the majority of users |
| [19:29:04] | uh992k: | it also doesn't explane what "prime time" is |
| [19:29:05] | uh992k: | e.g. |
| [19:29:11] | sphery: | uh992k: yeah, recording filters are brand new in 0.25 |
| [19:29:18] | sphery: | and the documentation hasn't been updated for 0.25 |
| [19:29:19] | uh992k: | aaah ok |
| [19:29:22] | tgm4883: | prime time 8–10 M-F? |
| [19:29:26] | sphery: | 7–11 |
| [19:29:31] | uh992k: | exactly :) |
| [19:29:33] | sphery: | though can be changed per locale? |
| [19:29:35] | tgm4883: | 6–12? |
| [19:29:40] | uh992k: | I grepped the source for this information! |
| [19:30:05] | uh992k: | and figures out ... select * from recordfilter; explains everything :) |
| [19:30:24] | sphery: | " VALUES (3, 'Primetime', 'HOUR(program.starttime) >= 19 AND HOUR(program.starttime) < 23', 0);", |
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| [19:30:56] | sphery: | so, seems it's not modifiable, but is just a "good enough for most people" |
| [19:31:03] | uh992k: | almost :D |
| [19:31:21] | sphery: | (where, really, here, primetime is 8–11, but in US Central time zone, it's 7–10) |
| [19:31:33] | tgm4883: | yea |
| [19:31:42] | uh992k: | yes ... actually my show is pre-prime-time |
| [19:31:51] | uh992k: | but soooometimes it starts at 19 :D |
| [19:32:05] | sphery: | uh992k: does your country have a concept of "prime time"? the definition is actually very appropriate for the US (and probably all of North America) |
| [19:32:09] | tgm4883: | uh992k, that would be 7 PM |
| [19:32:16] | uh992k: | ah yes, sorry :) |
| [19:32:39] | tgm4883: | which is within the prime time limits sphery posted |
| [19:32:42] | ** tgm4883 lunch ** | |
| [19:32:44] | sphery: | yeah, sliding start time, that crosses just before that boundary made "primetime" not a good fit for you |
| [19:32:52] | uh992k: | normally in germany prime-time starts at 8.15pm |
| [19:32:56] | sphery: | anyway, glad we got you something working |
| [19:33:08] | sphery: | and let us know if you have any issues with it over time |
| [19:33:23] | sphery: | uh992k: cool... wasn't sure if other countries had a concept of "prime time" |
| [19:33:41] | uh992k: | hmm ... actually, we don't have "prime time" |
| [19:33:54] | uh992k: | but all our movies start at 8:15pm |
| [19:34:25] | sphery: | tgm4883: hehe, though the prime time def is fine for most, when applied to something like, for example, The Simpsons, it would result in including 2 episodes (7–7:30 and 7:30–8) that aren't prime time for me |
| [19:34:49] | sphery: | but then again, that's what custom rules are for--when the building blocks you're given don't fit just right, you can craft your own :) |
| [19:34:49] | uh992k: | yes, pre 8:15pm wouldn't be prime time for me neither |
| [19:35:36] | sphery: | yeah, so it will likely cause confusion for people who are trying to use it on too-often-repeated shows that are in syndication--like The Simpsons |
| [19:36:01] | sphery: | then again, a new episode filter would be more appropriate for that, anyway |
| [19:36:09] | sphery: | so, it will come down to user education, again |
| [19:36:14] | uh992k: | hmm ... everyday simpsons is also broadcast in germany |
| [19:36:32] | uh992k: | but they always send the same episodes ... I can't stand them anymore |
| [19:36:39] | uh992k: | there would be deduplication a nice feature ... |
| [19:37:08] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, and after 20+ years, even new episodes seem like the same episodes |
| [19:37:08] | uh992k: | I could schedule to record simpsons every day on every channel and perhaps I would have recorded 10 episodes in a year or something like that :D |
| [19:37:52] | sphery: | (I'm a fan, and still watch The Simpsons, but it's /not/ what it once ones--and not necessarily due to the writers failure, but just the fact that it's pretty much run as far as it can) |
| [19:38:07] | sphery: | wow |
| [19:38:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you recall any ATI problem that resulted in bad color? |
| [19:38:39] | sphery: | here if you set it to record any/all Simpsons, you'd get all of the syndicated episodes within a year |
| [19:38:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the hue issue/"color controls always enabled" thing? |
| [19:39:20] | uh992k: | I also had wrong hue-settings with AMD e450 Fusion GPU |
| [19:39:30] | uh992k: | but only with the opensource radeon driver |
| [19:39:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: which requires 0.25-fixes after http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 13631#513631 |
| [19:40:07] | ** wagnerrp points at some thread on -dev ** | |
| [19:40:18] | sphery: | (that might actually be the master commit, but sometime around the same time that same day) |
| [19:40:40] | sphery: | I'll reply |
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| [19:41:09] | uh992k: | sphery: thank you very much for your help ... Now I understand the scheduler better :) |
| [19:41:15] | wagnerrp: | ugh.... firefox/thunderbird have a nasty tendency to hose up the Windows window manager when they get overloaded |
| [19:41:30] | wagnerrp: | blocks synergy from doing edge detection somehow |
| [19:41:50] | sphery: | uh992k: hehe, yeah... I'm hoping in 10 more years, I'll be a good beginner at understanding the scheduler :) |
| [19:41:56] | sphery: | (always more to learn) |
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| [19:44:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: only actual color swap issue I remember was when we had the broken non-MMX code (which has since been fixed), that users got when they compiled MythTV wrong |
| [19:45:02] | sphery: | (we should really restore that bug so that we can know when they miscompile) |
| [19:45:27] | sphery: | anyway, I asked for more version/date info |
| [19:45:57] | wagnerrp: | there used to be some bug in the drivers for the TV outs, but thats the only issue i recall |
| [19:46:14] | wagnerrp: | however if mythffplay has the issue, that sounds more like a bug in ffmpeg itself |
| [19:46:20] | wagnerrp: | or the drivers |
| [19:46:21] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:46:29] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, we dont touch that code |
| [19:47:25] | sphery: | yeah, pretty sure that's bog-standard ffplay |
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| [21:34:05] | justinh: | aha that reminds me. must try a newer -fixes compile today |
| [21:34:25] | wizbit: | justinh: i remember you here in 2006 when i first tried mythtv |
| [21:35:28] | justinh: | be nice to finally be able to use opengl video renderererererering |
| [21:35:48] | wizbit: | justinh: you used to post on forums back in the day |
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| [21:39:14] | ** wagnerrp is still somewhat disturbed by the concept of compressing everything for increased performance ** | |
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| [21:43:47] | justinh: | it must be the new ricing |
| [21:44:33] | skd5aner: | Well, I've finally got around to getting nuvexport up and running again to export some shows, but I really really wish there was a "lossless" h264 transcoding option, so I could remove commercials |
| [21:44:54] | skd5aner: | I've got some live concerts that are in 5.1 that I'd like to keep without nuvexport downgrading to stereo mp3 |
| [21:45:39] | wagnerrp: | justinh: im talking about the idea of live compression in ZFS |
| [21:45:58] | justinh: | wagnerrp: heh. I still remember stuffit |
| [21:46:54] | wagnerrp: | basically, the CPU is sufficiently fast that live [de]compression is faster than having to access the additional uncompressed data on disk |
| [21:47:00] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: any way to easily keep the audio track in tact with the h.264 script in nuvexport? |
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| [21:53:44] | justinh: | blah. colours are still daft. looks like it's the wrong colorspace |
| [21:53:53] | justinh: | and no, picture controls don't help it |
| [21:53:58] | justinh: | back to Xv I go |
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| [22:05:22] | sphery: | skd5aner: you'll find him back next week... he's busy this weekend |
| [22:05:54] | skd5aner: | huh? He didn't receive my pre-approval for extra curicular activities! |
| [22:05:56] | sphery: | justinh: you mean like studio colors? |
| [22:06:29] | sphery: | if so, I think you can enable that in driver config programs (nvidia-settings or fglrx equivalent type stuff) |
| [22:06:54] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, I hope someone takes this into account when figuring our bonuses this year |
| [22:09:00] | wagnerrp: | Kurt Busch is racing at Talladega this weekend with a "me" logo'd car, and a cougar painted on the hood |
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| [22:09:33] | wagnerrp: | when questioned about it, he told the press "I wanna go fast" |
| [22:12:33] | sphery: | what's a "me" logo'd car? |
| [22:12:43] | sphery: | has a picture of wagnerrp on it? |
| [22:12:49] | wagnerrp: | one with no sponsor |
| [22:12:53] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [22:12:57] | wagnerrp: | so a big "ME" slapped on the side |
| [22:13:02] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:13:03] | sphery: | nice |
| [22:13:08] | wagnerrp: | and an "I WANNA GO FAST" slapped on the rear |
| [22:13:14] | wagnerrp: | and a cougar painted on the hood |
| [22:13:22] | ** wagnerrp wonders if sphery does not get the reference ** | |
| [22:13:34] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure I don't |
| [22:13:50] | wagnerrp: | if you can drive with a cougar in the car, you can drive anything |
| [22:13:58] | sphery: | ohhh |
| [22:14:19] | sphery: | is that from a movie or something? |
| [22:14:28] | wagnerrp: | talladega nights |
| [22:14:32] | sphery: | ohhh |
| [22:14:42] | sphery: | thus the specific mention of talladega, too |
| [22:14:47] | sphery: | yeah, haven't seen that movie |
| [22:15:35] | ** wagnerrp wonders if 173.208.xxx and 173.234.xxx need to be banned from the wiki ** | |
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| [23:38:55] | BLZbubba: | something is wrong with myth music id3 scanning |
| [23:39:00] | BLZbubba: | in 0.25 |
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| [23:47:39] | Twiggy2cents: | Is there a known issue with a failed recording saying currently recording on mythweb(the recording failed tuesday)? It is definitely not recording. |
| [23:53:27] | BLZbubba: | out of 50,000+ songs that worked in 0.24, 0.25 identifies the tags correctly on 473 of them |
| [23:53:50] | BLZbubba: | both flac & mp3 |
| [23:57:25] | BLZbubba: | but if i delete some and re-run the scan, it finds them. almost like the 474th song it finds is making it brain damaged for the rest of the scan |
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