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[00:12:43] k-man: thanks
[00:13:33] ** wagnerrp gets one task mostly complete **
[00:13:34] k-man: according to the guys on #xfs, an xfs partition running at >=90% full for extended periods will become severely fragmented
[00:14:06] k-man: which turns out to explain why its taking up to 20 seconds to start playing a recording
[00:14:41] wagnerrp: according to the guys on #anyfilesystemofyourchoosing, any filesystem running at >=90% full fr extended periods will become severely fragmented
[00:15:06] k-man: wagnerrp, yes – well, i guess i should have known that but I never really thought about it
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[00:15:35] wagnerrp: do understand that most filesystems do not let you get more than 90–95% full in the first place
[00:15:47] k-man: they don't?
[00:16:06] wagnerrp: default for UFS2 on freebsd is to reserve the last 8% as only writable by root
[00:16:15] wagnerrp: most POSIX filesystems have some similar regulator
[00:16:27] k-man: well – as a result of this conversation i've set that setting in mythtv to keep 150g free on my 1TB storage group
[00:16:36] kormoc: it's easily turned off for ext*
[00:16:39] tgm4883: sphery, wagnerrp so that m3u8 testing, I've tried it in totem as well and it fails there as well
[00:16:48] kormoc: tune2fs -m0 /dev/sdx#
[00:16:51] wagnerrp: to ensure that root always have some room left for administration needs, and there is always some amount of storage free for anti-frag
[00:16:58] tgm4883: is there a non-mythtv app that you guys have tested it in?
[00:17:00] wagnerrp: sure, you can turn it off
[00:17:01] k-man: wagnerrp, thats good
[00:17:13] kormoc: which I believe has been given previously as a 'good' thing to do for myth boxes on the wiki
[00:17:17] wagnerrp: but the man page would likely tell you "dont do this, this is bad"
[00:17:42] Captain_Murdoch: tgm4883, any iOS device and JW Player (flash based HLS player)
[00:17:45] wagnerrp: kormoc: would those be the same people recommending to put mysql on a RAMfs?
[00:17:45] kormoc: Actually it doesn't. It just explains that if it's a root volume, you might not be able to log in
[00:17:50] kormoc: wagnerrp, likely so
[00:17:54] tgm4883: ok
[00:18:12] tgm4883: I'll test JW Player
[00:18:16] kormoc: Although if you're running mythtv as root, it won't help
[00:18:23] wagnerrp: i mean for an archival disk, such as something you dump DVD rips to and never touch again, its fine
[00:18:31] wagnerrp: but for something that has a lot of deletion, its a terrible idea
[00:18:54] k-man: so do you think it best to set the preserve free space setting to ~10% of the hdd size?
[00:19:21] wagnerrp: thats really quite excessive
[00:19:39] kormoc: k-man, for me, I just reformat the thing every X months if I notice it going south
[00:19:51] k-man: kormoc, yeah, i think i should do that to be honest
[00:20:02] wagnerrp: that, or shift a significant portion of the content over to some other disk
[00:20:14] wagnerrp: has much the same effect
[00:20:16] k-man: wagnerrp, thats a good idea actually
[00:20:21] tgm4883: Captain_Murdoch, there seems to be indication it doesn't work in android either (at least according to the mailing list
[00:20:25] wagnerrp: youre just trying to open up large gaps of contiguous free space
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[00:20:40] wagnerrp: such that you can then write sequentially to that free space
[00:20:49] Captain_Murdoch: tgm4883, yeah, that was me that replied to the user. I have never got any HLS working in android.
[00:21:03] tgm4883: I'll test on my android tablet
[00:21:17] tgm4883: I'll test with my altered m3u8 file as well
[00:21:49] Captain_Murdoch: if someone can point me to a working HLS stream that plays in android, I'll be more than happy to take a look at it when I get more time (in the middle of a move now, so no dev env for a while)
[00:22:09] k-man: wagnerrp, yeah – the problem i have is its gotten so bad the fragmentation – but there are some files that aren't fragmented so i could move them
[00:23:36] kormoc: move the fragmented files
[00:23:52] kormoc: it'll 'defrag' them on the new volume
[00:24:00] kormoc: (if there is enough space)
[00:24:05] wagnerrp: the difficulty some times is figuring out what files are fragmented
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[00:24:23] wagnerrp: not all filesystems make that known
[00:24:25] k-man: kormoc, the problem with that is it doesn't free up contiguous space – so i believe the recommendation is to move some contiguous files too
[00:24:49] kormoc: xfs_bmap
[00:25:01] wagnerrp: k-man: well you have to move enough that you do
[00:25:17] k-man: yeah of coures
[00:25:55] k-man: anyway, i'm cleaning out a load of old recordings and files and making lots of free space which i'm sure will help
[00:27:18] kormoc: then just run xfs_fsr and let it defrag the files
[00:27:28] tgm4883: Captain_Murdoch, actually the m3u8 file from the backend works on my android tablet in video player
[00:28:13] Captain_Murdoch: tgm4883, hmm, so maybe it's only HLS on my particular tablet. It's a Dell Streak 7 running a Honeycomb build from DJ_Steve
[00:28:30] Captain_Murdoch: or maybe I fixed it somewhere along the way without knowing it. :)
[00:28:51] tgm4883: Captain_Murdoch, could be. I've got a transformer prime runing 4.0.3
[00:29:11] Captain_Murdoch: or maybe they fixed it in 4.x. :|
[00:29:41] tgm4883: could have
[00:29:53] Captain_Murdoch: I think I even tried it in the dev VM on my laptop but can't recall.
[00:30:03] tgm4883: I'll try on my phone and see if it differs
[00:30:03] Captain_Murdoch: that would have been 3.x also though
[00:30:08] Captain_Murdoch: ok, thanks.
[00:30:37] Captain_Murdoch: I'm happy to fix anything you find as long as it doesn't break iOS and JW Player support which works for now. :)
[00:31:22] tgm4883: well I don't think full filepaths would break iOS or JW Player as it's still part of the spec
[00:31:53] tgm4883: I haven't tested full paths though, so I would need to do that
[00:32:30] tgm4883: so on my phone, it just downloads GetFile
[00:32:36] tgm4883: rather than playing anything back
[00:32:40] Captain_Murdoch: I think that they did break something I tried, that's why I switched to relative. if it's tested working I'm happy to revert.
[00:32:56] Captain_Murdoch: ok, so maybe they fixed something in 4.x
[00:33:21] tgm4883: perhaps
[00:33:31] tgm4883: I can do any further testing that is needed
[00:40:42] wagnerrp: tgm4883: were you the one who asked about the tmdb3.py grabber a few weeks back?
[00:40:56] tgm4883: wagnerrp, yes
[00:41:35] wagnerrp: well i just enabled it, it will show up available in the grabber selection screen
[00:42:01] tgm4883: sweet
[00:42:55] tgm4883: Captain_Murdoch, looks like full http path doesn't work in 4.0.3
[00:45:30] Captain_Murdoch: the main specs I've looked at have been on apple's site, don't have links handy right now though. wikipedia article sphery linked to didn't say whether it had to be full or relative URLs.
[00:46:08] tgm4883: Captain_Murdoch, actually, nm on that. Looks like I did something weird on my last test
[00:46:18] tgm4883: full paths probably work fine
[00:46:24] tgm4883: (it's listed in wikipedia)
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[00:48:55] tgm4883: ok, switching gears completely I want to make sure I understand this correctly and that something either is broken here or working as designed.
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[00:49:24] tgm4883: I have two frontend's and one backend. On frontend 1, I've grabbed metadata and coverart for all my videos
[00:50:01] tgm4883: on frontend 2, it only shows metadata for things that were grabbed automatically (for things I didn't have to manually enter the tmdb ID number)
[00:50:34] tgm4883: is that working as designed? I would think they should both show the exact same metadata and coverart
[00:51:07] wagnerrp: no, all content and all metadata should be shared between all frontends in the cluster
[00:51:23] wagnerrp: if one lists metadata, they should all list metadata
[00:51:27] tgm4883: ok, so it's borken then
[00:51:43] wagnerrp: youre sure theyre running the same database?
[00:51:50] tgm4883: yea
[00:51:59] tgm4883: I'll verify
[00:52:00] wagnerrp: youre using storage groups, not local paths?
[00:53:50] tgm4883: hmm
[00:54:14] tgm4883: I have storage groups for everything, but I just noticed I have some local dir paths on frontend 1 as well
[00:54:21] tgm4883: do those override SGs?
[00:54:39] wagnerrp: SGs should take precedence
[00:55:09] tgm4883: yea those directories don't actually even exist on that frontend
[00:55:32] ** wagnerrp should get rid of every last trace of local paths by 0.26 **
[00:56:04] tgm4883: wagnerrp, that will make me very happy :)
[00:59:24] tgm4883: wtf
[00:59:44] tgm4883: wagnerrp, when downloading metadata/coverart, the backend does that right?
[00:59:52] tgm4883: the metadatagrabbing functions?
[01:00:15] tgm4883: It's not something that the frontend does and then syncs it
[01:01:14] wagnerrp: yes, the frontend runs metadata grabbing, and pushes artwork over storage groups to the backend
[01:01:23] tgm4883: hmm ok
[01:01:29] tgm4883: I ask, because it's working now
[01:01:39] tgm4883: which doesn't make much sense, although I have two ideas
[01:01:52] tgm4883: 1) it just took a really long time to sync (doubtful)
[01:02:10] tgm4883: 2) I didn't remember to exit mythvideo and reenter to see the updates
[01:02:17] tgm4883: #2 is still required right?
[01:02:17] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2 **
[01:02:27] tgm4883: thanks MythLogBot
[01:02:49] wagnerrp: 2 is only required if you scan on one machine and try to view content on another
[01:03:08] tgm4883: which I'm doing here
[01:03:13] tgm4883: so that is likely the problem
[01:03:18] tgm4883: I'm just dumb :)
[01:04:49] wagnerrp: there is a event sent out on any rescan that can be used to trigger an update on any active client
[01:04:55] wagnerrp: but its not being used yet
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[01:52:49] ** sphery asks, "How can the IETF create a standard specifying extensions to the 'Extended M3U Playlist' when no one has created a standard/specification for the 'Extended M3U Playlist'?" **
[01:53:20] sphery: tgm4883: FWIW, switching our code to put http://<hostname>:<port> before the file specification would cause all sorts of problems
[01:53:30] sphery: with hostname and/or IP address resolution
[01:54:30] sphery: especially when we have a proxy in place for, i.e., using Services API functionality to replace MythWeb functionality (without forcing users to open all of the port 6544 functionality to the Internet)
[01:54:44] sphery: So, ideally, we'd go the other way--make the relative path work on all implementations
[01:55:26] sphery: like, maybe by removing the /Content/ from the file specifications (since both the .m3u8 /and/ the video are all in the same /Content/ subdirectory)
[01:55:44] sphery: a patch is currently being prepared and some simple testing done...
[01:55:54] sphery: Captain_Murdoch: ^^^
[01:56:21] sphery: FWIW, this is the HLS spec: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-08
[01:57:01] sphery: but it seems there's no spec for "Extended M3U Playlist files", in spite of, "3.1. Introduction: Playlists MUST be Extended M3U Playlist files [M3U]. This document extends the M3U file format further by defining additional tags."
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[01:59:22] wagnerrp: mmm... spam
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[02:00:18] sphery: hehe, http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http- . . . section-12.2 "12.2. Informative References: [M3U] ... http://wikipedia.org/wiki/M3U"
[02:00:27] sphery: So, wikipedia is the /official/ standard for M3U
[02:00:33] ** sphery changes it to suit his own nees **
[02:00:36] sphery: needs, even
[02:02:15] Captain_Murdoch: sphery, I was just testing something actually. after I added HLS support, I added the ability to make a URL like http://backendip:6544/StorageGroup/Streaming/filename.m3u8 instead of requiring http://backendip:6544/Content/GetFile?Storage . . . lename.m3u8. I think that if I convert the HLS code to use the new method, then I can get away with just specifying the filename in the playlists instead of t
[02:02:15] Captain_Murdoch: he 'full' relative URL starting with a /
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[02:04:16] sphery: Captain_Murdoch: what about: http://pastebin.com/GbEZtAkj
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[02:04:34] sphery: Captain_Murdoch: seems to work on iOS, Safari on Mac OS X, and VLC
[02:04:57] sphery: still needs testing on some Android stuff and any other clients people want to test
[02:05:15] sphery: also, it seems to correlate with: http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bipbop/bipbopall.m3u8
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[02:05:46] sphery: where they list only gear1/prog_index.m3u8 , which is actually the file at http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bip . . . g_index.m3u8
[02:06:00] sphery: i.e. relative to the path for the .m3u8 file
[02:08:23] Captain_Murdoch: sphery, yeah, I need to do some regression testing. might be simpler to convert to /StorageGroup/Streaming/filename.m3u8 (where StorageGroup is actually 'StorageGroup' and Streaming is the SG name in this example). that gets rid of the ?StorageGroup=Streaming&Filename=blah syntax which makes it easier to follow.
[02:08:42] sphery: "relative to the path for the /first/ .m3u8 file", that is
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[02:11:50] Captain_Murdoch: which in our case is all in the same dir since I didn't want to deal with subdirs.
[02:12:47] sphery: so would you be removing the dir from the (second?) m3u8?
[02:13:00] Captain_Murdoch: I'm going to take a look at using the newer syntax for getting a SG file since that's easier to follow and works in other cases. I added that so that the JW Player install and code could work but also used it in my MythWeb hack to get JW Player working in MythWeb.
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[02:13:26] sphery: and, I'm assuming from the actual file names, too?
[02:13:32] Captain_Murdoch: need to regression test, but if it is truly relative to the first m3u8 then the dirs could be removed from all but the main one.
[02:13:38] Captain_Murdoch: yeah.
[02:13:55] sphery: ok, cool
[02:15:30] sphery: in my (not very well researched) opinion, it seems that the lack of a real spec for m3u means some clients interpret anything other than full URIs (with protocol/domain portion) as relative to the .m3u8 location
[02:16:15] sphery: but by removing the initial / , we're actually making them truly relative, so it works on all clients (whether they see /path/to/file as relative or absolute)
[02:16:31] sphery: anyway, thanks for looking into it
[02:16:52] sphery: and I do agree that using the REST-style syntax is easier to parse than the GET params
[02:16:57] Captain_Murdoch: maybe one of these will fix my android tablet as well. :)
[02:17:05] sphery: hehe, here's hoping!
[02:17:19] sphery: after all, you wrote it, so I hope you can truly enjoy it
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[02:18:44] sphery: as long as the m3u specification is officially the wikipedia page, I /dare/ someone to clarify the meaning of "relative" path :)
[02:19:19] sphery: I'm actually trying to figure out how to provide feedback on an IETF RFC that says that a specification that extends an unspecified format is /still/ unspecified
[02:20:33] sphery: I suppose it's just the e-mail the authors link...
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[02:32:54] sphery: hehe, there's a link in the wikipedia page: M3U (WinAmp) Play List Specification @ http://old.schworak.com/programming/music/PlayList_M3U.asp
[02:33:00] sphery: but that's also completely ambiguous
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[03:12:36] [R]: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/tv_in_r . . . 9agDUEkHae2I
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[03:17:10] sphery: [R]: hehe, I've been wondering how long it would take for them to do something about people who are dropping cable/satellite subs and just using hulu
[03:17:18] [R]: lol
[03:17:29] [R]: the ads there aren't enough?
[03:17:54] sphery: regardless of what the internet thinks, ads can't pay for everything
[03:19:01] [R]: lol
[03:19:30] wagnerrp: wait wait... who pays for the stuff i pick up with my antenna?
[03:20:02] sphery: wagnerrp: just log in to Hulu with your OTA account number to prove you're a valid OTA subscriber
[03:20:10] [R]: wagnerrp: the commercials?
[03:21:07] sphery: for some reason, though, my antenna isn't picking up Food Network or SyFy or Discovery or History or H2 or ...
[03:21:13] [R]: lol
[03:21:19] sphery: it's almost like there wasn't enough money in advertising
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[03:57:13] k-man: what is the policy regarding mythweb and php 5.4?
[03:58:43] k-man: oh, seems to be some error on the wiki here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb
[04:01:31] k-man: here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb#Alternative_Skins
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[04:49:06] FLeiXiuS`: lirc, you are my worst friend....
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[05:06:02] lake1: I have a STB (Directv H21–200) and a hauppauge HD-PVR. I also have an ir blaster that came with the HD-PVR. Can someone explain to me how I can get mythtv to change the channel on the STB?
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[05:11:54] somethinginteres: how can I get "Watch TV" to load the EPG versus starting Television straight away?
[05:12:26] [R]: its an option in the settings
[05:12:31] wagnerrp: theres an option somewhere int the setting
[05:13:43] somethinginteres: wagnerrp: hmm, couldn't find it. I always miss things in obvious places.
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[05:15:59] FLeiXiuS`: somethinginteres, I think its under TV Settings Playback
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[05:17:06] FLeiXiuS`: lake1, Does your STB have a USB interface ;-)
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[05:18:09] lake1: FLeiXiuS`: it does have a usb interface. why the wink
[05:18:24] wagnerrp: i think that only applies to Dish
[05:18:58] FLeiXiuS`: Typically USB interfaces allow for the STB to be tuned to a specific channel through USB. Not sure about that model specifically.
[05:19:24] FLeiXiuS`: That or do some fancy IR magic.
[05:22:23] lake1: FLeiXiuS`: i have a ir blaster now. i'm not certain what else i need.
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[05:26:09] mzb: I have a (for argument's sake) mythtv FE without speakers attached. Is there a (nice) way of playing audio over the network from the FE to another linux host without using pulseaudio?
[05:26:35] FLeiXiuS`: lake1, have you looked into lirc/
[05:27:12] FLeiXiuS`: lake1, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC#IR_Transmissi . . . om_MythTV.29
[05:27:24] [R]: mzb: esd
[05:28:47] mzb: ah yeah .. that rings a bell [R], thanks
[05:28:56] [R]: dobut it still works
[05:29:02] mzb: although I seem to remember there were issues involved
[05:29:16] mzb: tried all this >5yrs ago and couldn't find anything *nice*
[05:30:11] mzb: might just be easier to use a double 3.5 female to 3.5 male adapter ;)
[05:30:38] mzb: (I'm trying to get rid of the spare (and large) set of speakers off my desk)
[05:30:39] [R]: that's what she said
[05:30:49] mzb: heh
[05:31:11] FLeiXiuS`: Who has spare speakers on their desk lo
[05:31:26] ** mzb waves **
[05:31:38] ** FLeiXiuS` keeps a clean desk. **
[05:32:00] FLeiXiuS`: Now if only i could get lirc to recognize my device, I'd be alright.
[05:32:02] mzb: I don't, but maybe it'll be better in the near future ;)
[05:32:25] mzb: simple solution: throw away lirc and move up to bluetooth ;)
[05:32:40] FLeiXiuS`: mzb, my cat6 hdmi switch <3's IR though.
[05:33:19] mzb: meh
[05:33:33] mzb: bluetooth means you don't have to point
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[05:33:49] FLeiXiuS`: mzb, thats why I have a harmony 900
[05:33:58] mzb: (or even lift your arm, for that matter!)
[05:34:09] mzb: sounds expensive
[05:34:30] FLeiXiuS`: It was – but I can do macros and fully customize my layout.
[05:34:47] mzb: hmm
[05:34:51] mzb: here's a cheap alternative: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . MVI_1243.avi
[05:35:12] mzb: even my young children can use that
[05:35:47] ** mzb is sure he's got an adapter somewhere **
[05:41:06] mzb: grr ... this is one of those things that could easily turn into hours of searching without a result
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[05:53:21] FLeiXiuS`: mzb, What are you trying to do/
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[06:04:21] mzb: FLeiXiuS`: use one set of speakers for both computers. The choice is to use the hardware or software (network) methods. Hardware is simple (but hard to find the adapter in the boxes!), software is hard to setup and maintain.
[06:05:06] FLeiXiuS`: mzb, And why dont you just use pulse?
[06:05:36] mzb: tried that... having problems
[06:05:52] FLeiXiuS`: It's the easiest way – should be difficult to setup
[06:05:54] FLeiXiuS`: Which distro
[06:06:07] mzb: I suspect I'm not starting X the correct way for pulseaudio
[06:06:11] mzb: wheezy
[06:06:28] mzb: and starting X with mingetty (kinda)
[06:06:29] FLeiXiuS`: should be even easier ;-)
[06:07:07] mzb: I thought initially that it might have been pa starting before X ... but it doesn't appear to make any difference
[06:07:49] mzb: and in fact it doesn't start, because it's in user-mode ... but that's another story
[06:08:44] mzb: either way, none of the pa utils can do their job, as they can't communicate with dbus
[06:12:51] FLeiXiuS`: Pulse is working great here ;-)
[06:13:06] FLeiXiuS`: I use it to switch audio from all of my loud speakers around the house.
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[06:14:08] mzb: can't get near to that stage atm ...
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[06:15:49] FLeiXiuS`: Finally got my udev rule solidified for my ir receiver.
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[06:18:39] mzb: I'm not using gnome, fwiw
[06:19:00] FLeiXiuS`: Who uses gnome anymore...after shell it's all gone down the drain.
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[06:19:19] FLeiXiuS`: xfce or mate. I'll take either or.
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[06:20:02] mzb: fvwm
[06:20:28] mzb: ah
[06:20:31] mzb: start-pulseaudio-x11
[06:20:43] mzb: nope
[06:27:13] mzb: typical errors are something like:
[06:27:36] mzb: (paprefs:7501): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:
[06:27:36] mzb: /usr/bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally without any error message
[06:27:37] mzb: GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running
[06:28:06] mzb: which is annoying as I've been avoiding gnome
[06:31:32] mzb: paman gives sane info
[06:32:46] mzb: I can set mythtv to pulse audio out, and pavumeter will flicker away nicely .. but no audio
[06:32:58] mzb: seems like I've got a number of different problems here
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[06:34:10] FLeiXiuS`: Yep.
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[06:36:32] mzb: k, got audio
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[06:40:23] mzb: the video capture device and the HDMI audio out were confusing things a bit there
[06:41:11] FLeiXiuS`: If I could only get myth to read ~/.mythtv/lircrc configurations I would be in awe.
[06:43:42] mzb: don't you have to link it?
[06:43:45] [R]: it says what its reading when yo ustart it
[06:44:03] mzb: ie: ln -s ~/.lircrc ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[06:44:03] FLeiXiuS`: [R], Yeah my log partition is tmpfs and its all sorts of cked.
[06:44:08] mzb: (or something like that)
[06:44:11] FLeiXiuS`: fcked ;-)
[06:44:15] [R]: it logsto stdout too...
[06:44:26] FLeiXiuS`: Yeah – I gota find a keyboard.
[06:44:52] [R]: ssh fttw
[06:44:56] FLeiXiuS`: by keyboard I mean ssh
[06:44:59] FLeiXiuS`: beat me to it
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[06:46:05] mzb: arrggh!
[06:46:37] mzb: paprefs needs gnome-packagekit to install modules (or something) ... but doesn't report WHAT it's trying to install!
[06:46:48] mzb: deps for gnome-packagekit are HUGE
[06:48:45] mzb: which is stupid, as all the pulseaudio modules ARE installed
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[06:54:35] FLeiXiuS`: sounds like your running in circles.
[06:55:53] mzb: not quite
[06:56:11] mzb: got pulseaudio to enable network discovery by doing:
[06:56:14] mzb: cd /usr/lib && ln -s pulse-1.0/ pulse-1.1.0
[06:56:19] mzb: !!
[06:56:58] mzb: now to see if removing gnome-packagekit (and related cruft) is ok
[06:58:06] mzb: yep!
[06:58:16] mzb: (remove 88 packages and freed 135MB!)
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[07:00:28] mzb: ok ... now pulseaudio on the workstation
[07:05:12] mzb: meh ... and now I don't have padevchooser :/
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[07:27:27] FLeiXiuS`: mmm suspend is waking on my USB keyboard but not my IR receiver.
[07:28:59] mzb: got it
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[07:30:58] mzb: now although I can change the volume of the FE from the FE, and the master volume on the workstation, I'd like to be able to (say) use ALT+VOL to change the FE volume ON the workstation ... sound feasible?
[07:32:42] mzb: or am I just getting a bit too greedy now? ;)
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[07:38:11] mzb: having a single mute button for the lot (actually multiple mute buttons) is a bonus
[07:40:14] ** mzb wonders if having control of the network audio would increase WAF ... from the point of view that $SHE could play music videos on the main FE, and have audio simultaneous piped from other machines in the house **
[07:42:18] mzb: could even be a handy thing combined with asterisk for paging: "Hey $WOMAN, where's my tea?"
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[07:42:20] mzb: *cackle*
[07:42:31] mzb: speaking of which ... I'd better help get tea ready ;)
[07:43:22] mzb: thanks for the encouragement FLeiXiuS`
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[08:41:37] somethinginteres: odd problem. Importing channels.conf – channels are locked and found but then MythTV says "Found [x] unused transports Ignore All Delete All" or something to the effect. Selecting either options results in no channels being listed.
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[09:19:56] solars: how do people generally share their music library with mythtv/mythbuntu? I have a htpc and want to access my music there from phone, other computers, etc
[09:23:50] solars: I mean, whats the easiest way
[09:24:02] solars: I'd like to have my music on a central server
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[09:39:23] uh992k: good morning :)
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[09:39:56] uh992k: I've a suspen-problem ... pm-suspend hangs my PC because my usb sticks don't want to be suspended
[09:40:25] uh992k: My guess would be: create a script in /etc/pm/sleep.d which shutsdown mythtv-backend and unloads the dvb driver
[09:40:40] uh992k: is there a solution for such cases which has been tested?
[09:45:46] uh992k: ah, this works: http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=71490
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[09:51:31] uh992k: wow ... I removed fglrx amd driver and now use default radeon driver (video performance in HD decoding is better!) but now everyone is a smurfe ... the colors are wrong
[09:53:34] lautriv: ok, because analog was shutdown in europe i was about to re-scan my channels, which feeled to be faster in 0.25 but i can't save any channel ?
[09:58:14] lautriv: uh992k, i dunno radeon but maybe you loaded/set the module with the wrong depth ?
[10:01:14] anykey_: uh992k: could be picture controls messing up the colours, had that with intel lately. danielk can probably help
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[10:09:11] uh992k: anykey_: yes, you were right ... hue was wrong ... it was on 0 and right colors appeared at 50
[10:10:30] uh992k: did someone experiment with RTC wakeup from S3?
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[10:11:35] uh992k: Does mythtv actually support this? The old linvdr was capable to set RTC alarm on the next timer befor he was STRed
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[10:20:47] stuartm: the backend does, the frontend not so much (yet)
[10:21:02] uh992k: yay! STR and wakeup works :)
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[10:48:16] justinh: anykey_: you mean you resolved the funny colour issues? I couldn't even with picture controls enabled. It was whack
[10:48:27] justinh: I'm stuck with Xv
[10:49:04] uh992k: In my case, I pressed 'F' in livetv and changed the hue to 50 then everything was back to normal
[10:49:18] justinh: I also need to look into why disabling extra audio buffering has resulted in gappy audio sometimes. my wife hasn't complained yet but I noticed
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[10:50:21] ** justinh wonders what 'livetv' is **
[10:50:48] justinh: oh yeah, that thing I completely bypass mythtv for. watching cable
[10:51:42] justinh: solars: use squeezeserver :-)
[10:52:23] justinh: the linux server is free (dunno about the licence) & they have free android & other apps.. and PC clients even
[10:52:47] anykey_: justinh: yeah, I resolved them by disabling picture controls
[10:52:48] uh992k: yes ... the settings in "watching tv" are the same in watching videos
[10:53:01] uh992k: after changing it in TV videos could also be played normally
[10:53:36] justinh: anykey_: by *disabling* controls? I didn't have them enabled initially
[10:53:39] uh992k: does someone know how my mythtv-pc could figure out if someone mounted a nfs-share?
[10:54:08] justinh: so I tried gl video rendering, found the colours to be out of whack, then tried *en* abling picture controls. No difference
[10:54:38] justinh: uh992k: nfs logs mounts in syslog I think
[10:55:08] uh992k: hmm
[10:56:24] anykey_: justinh: they are enabled in code in 0.25, you need to patch it
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[10:56:48] justinh: uh992k: e.g. "Apr 30 18:00:38 roger mountd[1439]: authenticated mount request from 192.168.1.31:941 for /myth (/myth)"
[10:56:53] justinh: anykey_: what?!
[10:57:55] anykey_: justinh: the picture control setting was removed in 0.25, so they are always enabled now. If they mess up your picture and you can't get it right using the controls, you probably have to disable them, which only works by patching myth ;)
[10:57:56] justinh: anykey_: so it's a setting which doesn't actually do anything now & it's hard-coded? LOL
[10:58:05] justinh: grrr
[10:58:13] justinh: partly MY fault for not testing 0.25
[10:59:20] justinh: anykey_: do you know if there's a plan to do a better fix – like mend the rendering for intel gl? ;-)
[10:59:25] anykey_: justinh: yeah, there is a list of video card adapters that won't work, danielk added mine to it
[10:59:40] justinh: anykey_: got a ticket number handy?
[10:59:40] anykey_: justinh: nope, no idea ;)
[10:59:48] anykey_: justinh: sec
[11:01:40] anykey_: justinh: no, I think I had discussed it with daniel right here
[11:03:10] dekarl: has anbody looked at the new rovi developer stuff? http://prod-doc.rovicorp.com/mashery/index.ph . . . enseListings it's been pointed out by a xmltv user as potential new data source for personal use. They don't seem to target OS software products so it might be helpful to talk to them before implementing a grabber.
[11:03:10] dekarl: otoh it would be cool advertising to say "look at how easy an xmltv grabber with the rovi cloud api is" ;)
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[11:05:12] dekarl: data source might be infomedia which got bought by rovi some time ago.
[11:06:54] justinh: anykey_: I'll search the logs later then. Thanks :-)
[11:10:28] anykey_: justinh: was maybe about a month ago or so
[11:22:18] solars: justinh, why squeezeserver?
[11:22:56] k-man: when watching a dvb recording with subtitles turned on, some black text keeps appearing at random times accross the middle of the screen
[11:24:10] uh992k: is it possible to get the backend idle time?
[11:26:22] k-man: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1774741/Screen%20Shot . . . .44%20PM.png
[11:27:32] justinh: solars: why not? It has a nice web ui & there are lots of free clients for it
[11:27:51] AndyCap: the hardware is nice too.
[11:27:58] justinh: plus I didn't want to have to mess around trying different upnp things
[11:28:55] solars: justinh, I mean, maybe there is something that combines with mythtv already
[11:29:13] solars: or some possibility in mythtv, I don't a lot yet, but the web ui is quite basic
[11:29:59] justinh: I've never got any upnp client to work with mythtv properly yet
[11:30:18] justinh: like I said, I don't want to spend time messing about with different things, trying options
[11:31:08] k-man: here is another screenshot showing the black text when subtitles are up: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1774741/Screen%20Shot . . . .13%20PM.png
[11:31:20] k-man: anyone else seen that?
[11:32:16] solars: justinh, do you have a link? or is it that logitech thing
[11:32:35] justinh: it's logitech software. they have links to download the server
[11:32:57] solars: ah
[11:33:19] k-man: should i post a bug report about it?
[11:34:10] justinh: solars: http://www.mysqueezebox.com/download
[11:34:40] uh992k: hmm ... my idle-time to shutdown time is ignored :(
[11:34:58] justinh: best thing for me is that it very nicely integrates streaming sources with conventional music media :-)
[11:36:16] solars: thanks
[11:37:13] justinh: anykey_: was it in this channel or #mythv?
[11:37:18] justinh: er #mythtv I mean
[11:38:15] anykey_: justinh: i think #mythtv
[11:41:29] jpabq: lake1, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Controlling_DirecT . . . SB_or_Serial
[11:41:44] justinh: anykey_: I got the diff, I think :-)
[11:43:41] justinh: http://pastebin.com/LSNmDRJt
[11:44:48] anykey_: justinh: yeah, part of that should already be in -fixes
[11:44:56] ** justinh wonders what his frontend adapter calls itself anyway **
[11:45:08] anykey_: justinh: xvinfo will tell you, I think
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[11:46:53] justinh: hmm. I have 2 adapters it seems. 0, textured video & 1, video overlay
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[11:52:42] justinh: how do you update a git checkout again?
[11:54:22] justinh: oh git pull
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[12:03:49] justinh: bah my changes to audiooutputalsa.cpp prevent me from doing a pull
[12:03:57] justinh: & it's not letting me revert the file.
[12:04:06] justinh: I HATE GIT!
[12:04:37] ** justinh does a fresh checkout to a new directory **
[12:05:46] uh992k: wth is "Reschedule requested"? it prevents my pc from being shutdown
[12:05:56] uh992k: May 1 14:03:27 littlestar mythbackend[3562]: I Scheduler scheduler.cpp:2010 (HandleReschedule) Reschedule requested for id -1.
[12:05:56] uh992k: May 1 14:03:27 littlestar mythbackend[3562]: I Scheduler scheduler.cpp:2068 (HandleReschedule) Scheduled 7 items in 0.2 = 0.13 match + 0.07 place
[12:06:08] k-man: justinh, i think you can do a git stash, git pull, git stash pop
[12:06:22] justinh: blimey. you mustnt have many channels or old recordings
[12:06:36] k-man: justinh, see http://linux.die.net/man/1/git-stash in the example
[12:07:18] solars: can anyone please tell me how to import images in the media library? I can't find anything in the frontend
[12:07:48] uh992k: do you mean mythgallery?
[12:08:01] uh992k: there is a setting in setup -> media-settings -> gallery-settings
[12:08:07] justinh: k-man: thanks, but I'm not going to look :-) I HATE GIT! ;-)
[12:08:11] solars: well, I'm starting the frontend, and have media library, images there
[12:08:51] k-man: justinh, and git checkout filename will revert your changed file to whats in your repo
[12:08:52] solars: uh992k, but can't I juts import like I import music? by selecting a directory?
[12:09:05] k-man: git is good
[12:09:10] k-man: imho
[12:09:50] uh992k: hmm ... in mythvideo yes
[12:10:05] uh992k: in mythgallery you choose a folder to start when entering mythgallery
[12:10:34] uh992k: but mythvideo is waaaaaaay too slow on my pc ... I only use mythgallery
[12:11:04] solars: I don't get it
[12:11:09] solars: I don't have single components :)
[12:11:10] justinh: mythvideo is for *videos*
[12:11:13] solars: I have mythfrontend
[12:11:15] solars: and start it
[12:11:29] solars: there I can select:Media Library, Manage Recordings, ...
[12:11:40] uh992k: justinh: then, they should do something to get it usable ...I can't wait 5min to get the file listing
[12:11:52] solars: so whats that then
[12:11:55] uh992k: solars: then sudo apt-get install mythgallery
[12:12:15] solars: is, what I am using, mythvideo then?
[12:12:37] justinh: uh992k: they meaning YOU. starts up in less than seconds here
[12:12:39] uh992k: yes ... it's embedded in mythtv now ... once it was a plugin
[12:12:58] lake1: jpabq: i'm totally confused. the hdpvr has a blaster on it. what else do i need? I kind of assumed that the signal was sent through the usb to the hdpvr.
[12:13:09] solars: justinh, are you using the same interface as I am? this combined one in mythfrontend
[12:13:11] uh992k: justinh: I guess the problem is my e450 cpu ... mysqld is too slow
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[12:14:05] justinh: uh992k: not if the scheduler runs in less than a second it ain't!
[12:14:25] lake1: i want a better setup. Ideally, i want to be able to record many (up to 5) channels at once. Does that mean that I need multiple directv boxes?
[12:14:30] uh992k: justinh: uhm ... sorry I lost track ... what are talking about? :)
[12:14:34] justinh: solars: install the mythgallery plugin to work with, import & view image files
[12:14:47] justinh: uh992k: 13:11 < uh992k> justinh: then, they should do something to get it usable ...I can't wait 5min to get the file listing
[12:15:01] justinh: you were talking about mythvideo, I assumed
[12:15:05] uh992k: justinh: yes, that was about mythvideo
[12:15:18] justinh: it shouldn't be that slow. You've got something misconfigured there
[12:15:42] uh992k: now, mysql is too slow ... it would have taken me about 10hrs do update the video database!
[12:16:01] uh992k: and I don't understand why file-listing-mode (without datebase) has first to scan all my directories
[12:16:06] uh992k: mythgallery makes it better
[12:16:50] solars: justinh, apparently it is installed, but there is no binary
[12:16:55] uh992k: I don't think mythvideo is bad ... But I rather use mythgallery because it performs better on my system
[12:17:04] justinh: mythvideo isn't for images
[12:17:07] uh992k: and I would also use mythgallery for music if possible
[12:17:15] justinh: mythgallery isn't really for videos
[12:17:22] solars: is it possible that uh992k is tlaking about a different version of myth* ?
[12:17:29] solars: because I don't have any executable mythgallery
[12:17:34] justinh: DUH
[12:17:38] uh992k: yes, but I don't need mythvideo and I don't need mythmusic ... I only need a simple and fast file browser which playes my media
[12:17:43] justinh: there is no executable mythgallery. It's a *plugin*
[12:17:51] justinh: uh992k: so use XBMC then :P
[12:17:59] uh992k: xbmc can't record TV :)
[12:18:05] justinh: uh992k: so use XBMC then
[12:18:07] solars: justinh, thats what I'm saying, uh992k has an executable it seems
[12:18:09] lake1: where can i find inspiration for a badass setup? I have two tv's, I want two front ends connected to both and a dedicated backend and I want to be able to record up to 5 shows at once and watch live tv through it. Is it possible?
[12:18:17] solars: justinh, so, from the frontend, how do I import images from a folder
[12:18:31] justinh: solars: look up mythgallery in the mythtv wiki
[12:18:36] uh992k: solars: no, I said install it by typing "sudo apt-get install mythgallery" if you are using mythbuntu dist
[12:19:41] solars: then I confused it, sorry
[12:19:46] uh992k: np :)
[12:19:47] ** justinh doesn't use mythgallery **
[12:20:14] solars: however http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythGallery – is it also outdated for 0.24? becaues I cannot see these options in my interface, and no import button or anything
[12:20:20] uh992k: it's matter of personal preference ... everything else is way too complicated and/or too slow :)
[12:20:33] justinh: but I imagine you launch mythgallery by going to Media -> Images (which launches mythgallery) then press MENU, where you should see an 'import' option
[12:20:35] solars: there is "Menu" and "Select" but I hvae no idea how to open this menu
[12:20:40] justinh: the M key
[12:20:49] justinh: M M M M Menu :-)
[12:20:53] uh992k: :D
[12:21:01] justinh: frickin users. Pfft
[12:21:03] solars: I tried, let me try again
[12:21:05] solars: :)
[12:21:34] uh992k: ah ... EIT is causing my idle shutdown problems
[12:21:39] solars: no reaction on the M key
[12:21:41] solars: :)
[12:21:50] uh992k: then change your keyboard :D
[12:22:15] uh992k: scnr :) I'm not sure, but I guess you have to specify a valid image directory in the settings first
[12:22:31] solars: it uses the default one, which exists
[12:22:46] solars: but I want to import new ones, I suppose it should be done trhough the menu that I cannot open :)
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[12:32:57] k-man: is it possible that subtitles do not respect the "black background" option?
[12:33:01] k-man: in .25 that is
[12:33:15] k-man: as they appear with a black background whether or not i have that option set
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[12:42:35] dekarl: k-man, I bet a small example file that exibits the "other text showing up in addition to the expected subtitles" issue would be appreciated by the relevant dev ;)
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[12:51:52] dekarl: k-man, another idea, maybe mythccextractor shows something that makes sense?
[12:53:38] uh992k: hmpf ... I don't get my system to shutdown after e.g. 10min
[12:53:49] uh992k: first the EIT-problem which was solvable
[12:54:06] uh992k: now it seems the housekeeping-thread resets the idle time
[12:54:17] uh992k: does idle shutdown work for anyone?
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[13:26:19] k-man: dekarl, thanks
[13:26:39] k-man: dekarl, i'll try and do that in the next few daus – gotta sleep now
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[14:06:38] EvilGuru: Ugh! Seems as if there have been some DB schema changes since I last compiled off a frontend build last month
[14:07:11] ** EvilGuru hates touching his backend **
[14:08:56] sphery: if only there were some sort of stable version of mythtv that didn't have DB schema changes...
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[14:24:20] wizbit: sphery: torc!
[14:26:51] skd5aner: I hope you said that tounge-in-cheek seeings how torc isn't even close to stable and I'd anticipate serious db schema changes from them on a daily/weekly basis for the foreseeable future
[14:27:26] ** skd5aner is fairly angry at his master backend right now **
[14:28:12] skd5aner: I went out of town for 4 days, and the night that I leave, mythbackend goes crazy and doesn't record anything at all for 4 straight days... it doesn't crash completely, it just hangs
[14:28:50] skd5aner: and, I turned off remote access, so I couldn't fix it while I was away
[14:28:56] skd5aner: but still, shouldn't of hung
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[15:05:17] EvilGuru: sphery: I'm not using the 0.25 tree out of choice — I can assure you — just had great trouble with 0.24 on Mythbuntu 12.04
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[15:10:33] tgm4883: EvilGuru, I believe there is a other versions of Mythbuntu that have 0.24 (like 10.04)
[15:10:56] EvilGuru: tgm4883: Bork on my hardware, but my previous set up was 10.04 w/0.24 and that worked fine
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[15:22:15] sphery: EvilGuru: the point was that 0.25-fixes is stable and there are no db upgrades in that branch (db upgrades only occur in unstable/development/master, and are only visible in release versions when changing versions--like from 0.24 to 0.25)
[15:22:54] sphery: so if you were 0.25 before and you got a DB upgrade, you're not using 0.25-fixes, anymore...
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[15:32:40] EvilGuru: sphery: Yeah I'll need to check what ebuilds I was using
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[16:13:44] wagnerrp: !url – list
[16:13:44] MythLogBot: analoghw currentrelease deleteme(disabled) devrelease digitalhw down faq fixesrelease google linuxtv lmgtfy log logs overscan overview pastebin recordingcable theming tuners upnp vdpau wiki
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[16:14:01] primedeath: Hello.
[16:14:10] primedeath: Iw as wondering what were some good TV Tuner cards for Comcast TV?
[16:14:29] wagnerrp: primedeath: everything on comcast but the premiums is going to be marked as 'copy freely'
[16:14:45] wagnerrp: that means it can be directly recorded with a cablecard tuner... http://mythtv.org/wiki/CableCARD
[16:15:11] wagnerrp: the three listed at the bottom of the second paragraph are all compatible with mythtv 0.25
[16:15:31] wagnerrp: and can record 2, 3, and 4 channels from USB, ethernet, and PCIe, respectively
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[16:36:53] uh992k: hmm ... nice ... after removing amd's propriatary fgrlx driver, my hdmi audio still works when turning my tv off and on again
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[17:39:11] Kuhne: Hi guys, just upgraded to 0.25, easy transition. However I am having a problem with the progressbar in my theme, it doesn't seem to register that I paused. It continues to count up regardless if the program is paused or not. Is this a common behaviour?
[17:40:06] wagnerrp: is that the location or available data that counts up?
[17:40:15] Kuhne: the location counts up
[17:40:20] wagnerrp: if this is an in-progress recording, that recording is going to continue increasing
[17:40:45] Kuhne: Yeah, I know that was the way it was earlier. But the current location also counts up...
[17:40:54] wagnerrp: that sounds like a bug in the code, that should not be possible for a theme to cause
[17:41:11] wagnerrp: unless your theme is using old statetypes that are no longer properly handled
[17:41:22] Kuhne: The theme is for 0.24.
[17:41:49] Kuhne: This is while I'm watching live tv
[17:41:51] wagnerrp: right, there are changes in the UI code, and the theme will not be directly usable
[17:42:01] wagnerrp: what those changes are that need to be made though, i have no idea
[17:42:08] Kuhne: Ok, then I'll have to check. Thanks!
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[17:50:16] Kuhne: Found it, needed different values for the size of the progressbar :)
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[17:56:45] sphery: Kuhne: is this a custom theme you've created or did you check for updates for it in frontend settings under Theme Chooser
[17:57:21] sphery: (meaning that unless you're the theme maintainer, you shouldn't have to be hacking theme definitions for supported themes)
[17:58:55] Kuhne: The thing is I have already done some customizing of the theme, because it didn't really work the way it was designed on my system. But it was the A-Forest theme that currently exists in the theme chooser.
[17:59:04] Kuhne: So I hacked it myself
[18:00:27] sphery: have you talked to the theme author to see if he's interested in your changes?
[18:00:56] Kuhne: No actually hasn't crossed my mind, I'll check with him.
[18:00:57] sphery: Kuhne: according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Teams#UI_Themes , he's interested in help from users
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[18:06:06] solars: hey, if I have mythgallery running on my backend server, and also run mythgallery there – can't I access the images there on a second machine if I run the frontend there and connect to my backend?
[18:06:49] solars: I thought images are also shared then
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[18:12:13] uh992k: can someone recommend mpeg4 transcoding settings? I always have ugly artefacts in my videos :(
[18:12:24] uh992k: especially moving sections show looots of artefacts
[18:13:01] wagnerrp: dont
[18:13:13] uh992k: ?
[18:13:22] wagnerrp: dont transcode
[18:13:29] wagnerrp: if you must transcode, dont use the internal transcoder
[18:13:45] uh992k: hmm ... strange answer, but I guess you are right
[18:14:27] dekarl: and if you must use MPEG4, use the correct one (MPEG 4 Part 10 aka. H.264 instead of Part 2, DivX style)
[18:14:41] sphery: solars: you must share images via NFS (such that paths are identical on all hosts)--TTBOMK, MythGallery doesn't support Storage Groups, yet
[18:14:47] wagnerrp: the internal transcoder only supports the relatively inefficient mpeg4 format (only modestly more compressible than standard broadcast mpeg2), and the very inefficient rtjpeg
[18:15:03] wagnerrp: and it only supports output in nuvs
[18:15:13] wagnerrp: in other words, if youre trying to save space, its a bad choice
[18:15:24] uh992k: k, there would be room for improvements :) additional free configurable transcoders
[18:15:24] wagnerrp: if youre trying to make something compatible for use on other applications, its a terrible choice
[18:16:01] uh992k: buuut ... actually, I could run my transcoder as user-script, couldn't I?
[18:16:08] wagnerrp: sure
[18:16:09] sphery: and since there's not much point in software-transcoding to make space, the only good reason to transcode on MythTV systems is to make something compatible for use in other applications/devices
[18:16:16] wagnerrp: but then youre not asking about transcoder settings
[18:16:37] wagnerrp: youre asking about [myth]ffmpeg command line options, or whatever other utility youre using
[18:17:08] sphery: (now transcoding on Windows systems with full GPU transcode support, allowing transcoding at significantly less processor/electricity usage, may actually be worthwhile for content you archive for a very long time)
[18:17:10] uh992k: yes ... I have a good tested cmd-line for ffmpeg to convert mpeg2 video to h264
[18:17:29] wagnerrp: if thats the case, what do you need help with?
[18:17:53] wagnerrp: sphery: no, not really
[18:18:01] uh992k: I like to job-queue for transcoding and it would be sad not using it
[18:18:19] wagnerrp: existing GPU transcoders like badaboom are not all that efficient
[18:18:22] uh992k: but if it works with user-jobs
[18:18:45] wagnerrp: nor are they all that great of quality
[18:18:52] dekarl: sphery: for archiving you'd use whatever is close to the raw source and lossless ;) but with all the GPU encoders being crap it doesnt really matter
[18:18:56] sphery: wagnerrp: hehe, really... just assumed it would be
[18:19:02] wagnerrp: f you run x264 with similar quality and compressibility parameters as badaboom operates at
[18:19:08] wagnerrp: its often just as fast
[18:19:21] wagnerrp: except youre running on a ~100W CPU, rather than a 200W GPU
[18:19:22] sphery: so, I'm back to standing firmly in the "never transcode" camp
[18:19:55] wagnerrp: now if we had access to something like 'quicksync', that would be a whole other matter
[18:20:06] sphery: but sandy/ivy bridge have their hardware encoder and are only a part of that 100W CPU
[18:20:09] solars: sphery, alright :/ thanks
[18:20:21] solars: probably easier to just install a gallrey then
[18:20:28] wagnerrp: but then as with all hardware codecs, youre limited to whatever the hardwired capability of the ASIC is
[18:20:28] sphery: (though with what you said about quality/settings, it still doesn't make sense to use them)
[18:20:53] wagnerrp: and x264 will likely do better in both quality and compressibility, at a significantly higher power cost
[18:20:55] sphery: isn't that what Intel's chips do--use a specific transcoder silicon
[18:21:06] solars: sphery, on the upnp page, it says images are also shared?
[18:21:13] wagnerrp: yes, quicksync is a dedicated ASIC
[18:21:22] sphery: oh, quicksync is the intel one
[18:21:30] uh992k: hmm ... is the auto expire feature disabled when I transcoded a recording?
[18:21:31] wagnerrp: and more recently, amd and nvidia have both added dedicated encoders to their hardware
[18:21:38] wagnerrp: uh992k: no
[18:21:51] wagnerrp: it still auto-expires as normal
[18:21:57] sphery: solars: mythfrontend/mythgallery doesn't use upnp to display images--only upnp clients do
[18:21:58] uh992k: k, thx
[18:23:02] sphery: uh992k: but if you've check the box to save the original when transcoding, /that/ will not be expired and you must manually delete it when you decide the transcoded copy is not too-badly mangled to keep
[18:23:30] solars: sphery, ah so I can also use an upnp client for the images
[18:24:16] wagnerrp: i dont believe mythtv's upnp server currently supports the image gallery
[18:24:40] sphery: Beirdo would likely know...
[18:25:00] sphery: but if upnp wiki page is wrong, we should probably fix that
[18:25:22] Beirdo: not that I know of, no
[18:25:23] sphery: (which reminds me that I still haven't packaged the 0.25 docs, yet...)
[18:25:24] wagnerrp: does it say it does artwork?
[18:25:34] wagnerrp: its possible, but it would have to do its own scan like it did video
[18:25:35] sphery: I'm going by: 05.01 14:21:06 < solars> sphery, on the upnp page, it says images are also shared?
[18:25:40] wagnerrp: since there is no "gallery" table
[18:25:56] Beirdo: it attempts to do thumbnails for the videos, but fails
[18:26:10] Beirdo: at least I've never seen it succeed
[18:26:25] sphery: I'm not seeing mention of images at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UPnP
[18:26:26] Beirdo: but nothing for a picture gallery that I recall
[18:26:29] sphery: solars: which UPnP page?
[18:26:51] solars: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UPnP
[18:27:02] solars: well lets say its misleading
[18:27:07] solars: it doesn't say its supported
[18:27:11] sphery: MythTV versions starting from 0.20 have a built-in UPnP server (a so called "UPnP AV MediaServer" device). UPnP servers are where you store and share your media (pictures/videos/audio/music) from. So you can share MythTV media files to any UPnP client (a so called "UPnP AV MediaServer ControlPoint" device) on your local-network, as long as the UPnP client is not behind a firewall or you have opened the ports for UPnP in your firewall. The ...
[18:27:17] sphery: ... UPnP client can then play those media files if it supports those MythTV codecs/container formats.
[18:27:20] sphery: yeah, that is misleading
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[18:27:35] sphery: talks about generic definition, but implies mythtv supports sharing pictures
[18:27:39] solars: yep
[18:27:49] Beirdo: maybe in the future it will.
[18:27:50] Beirdo: heh
[18:28:01] sphery: hehe
[18:28:02] solars: heh
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[18:28:16] sphery: only if you get bored with your digital radio stuff
[18:29:00] wagnerrp: or you know, if sphery gets out the whip
[18:29:12] ** wagnerrp gets his drum **
[18:29:24] wagnerrp: code... code... code... code..
[18:30:05] sphery: hehe, like I had to do for the new command line parser and the new myth_system and the new logging...
[18:30:15] solars: any suggestion what I could use that fits into my mythtv setup? e.g. upload images either by web or some share into the folder of mythgallery, and share the same directory also with remote clients (maybe through another upnp server, not sure if that clashes)?
[18:30:59] sphery: solars: mythgallery will only work with the "local" files, so for mythgallery, you must use NFS/CIFS
[18:31:29] sphery: if you want to use something other than mythgallery, you can, but at that point, you may want to completely forego use of mythgallery
[18:31:44] wagnerrp: (or rewrite it)
[18:31:55] sphery: hehe
[18:32:06] sphery: we do need sg support in it, eventually
[18:32:50] solars: sphery, I thought I would use mythgallery normally, but populate the directory from other clients (e.g. nfs or something like that) and, use a different server to serve images that are in the mythgallery dir
[18:32:53] solars: (2 tasks)
[18:33:16] sphery: to whom are you serving images?
[18:33:29] sphery: browsers or upnp players or Internet at large or ...
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[18:33:38] solars: I just wanted to be able to watch my pictures on different machines in my house
[18:33:47] solars: browsers and/or upnp clients
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[18:33:59] wagnerrp: watch? usually you "watch" video, and "view" images
[18:34:08] wagnerrp: video is a different interface
[18:34:09] sphery: well, sounds like for upnp, you'd need a upnp server app, like mediatomb, maybe?
[18:34:23] solars: wagnerrp, view
[18:34:24] sphery: and for browsers, a web server (possibly with an image gallery app)
[18:34:24] solars: :)
[18:34:46] sphery: what's that one that someone wanted mythgallery to support, but the patch they gave was for the end-of-life'ed version
[18:34:51] solars: sphery, yeah I thought about the same, will probably just to the browser way, or skip it
[18:35:01] wagnerrp: gallery3 i think
[18:35:05] ** wagnerrp pokes kormoc **
[18:35:09] solars: yeah
[18:35:18] sphery: ah, yeah, they did a gallery2 impl and gallery3 was on the horizon?
[18:35:41] wagnerrp: mythgallery could really use a completely rewrite and better integration
[18:35:50] wagnerrp: but that better integration is waiting on the schema rewrite
[18:36:04] sphery: or, no, they did gallery(1) – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/11054#11054
[18:36:31] sphery: ah, no, that was accepted
[18:36:37] sphery: but then a gallery 2 one wasn't
[18:36:44] sphery: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/156046#156046
[18:38:07] sphery: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2923
[18:38:16] sphery: hehe, still not closed, though :)
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[18:44:05] dekarl: All consumer H.264 hardware encoders that I heard of are optimized for power consumption so you can video conference (aka throw away video) instead of bandwidth. I vaguely remember some rants of maybe x264 devs about the state of H.264 hardware encoders, but my google foo is weak tonight
[18:48:32] devinheitmueller: dekarl: varies by device. Some are optimized for power consumption. Others are optimized for performance or bandwidth where power consumption is not really a concern (for example, encoders used in broadcast equipment).
[18:50:34] dekarl: devinheitmueller: I've heard of the broadcast stuff doing fancy things like adaptive bandwidth allocation over all channels... hence the small word "consumer" -^ ;)
[18:50:38] sphery: fortunately I'm in the "time-shifting doesn't mean keeping forever" camp of interpreting copyright law, so I never archive anything (at least I always watch and delete), and I don't have any constrained devices that can't use my original format recordings, so I don't have any need for transcoding
[18:50:44] devinheitmueller: For example, nobody is going to claim the HD-PVR is optimized for power consumption.  :-)
[18:50:58] dekarl: true :)
[18:51:08] devinheitmueller: ... same goes for the Colossus.
[18:51:50] EvilGuru: devinheitmueller: I am unsure, I suspect the encoder is relatively low power
[18:52:09] devinheitmueller: EvilGuru: which encoder? On the Colossus?
[18:52:29] dekarl: hmm, seeing you reminds me that I have to update to a newer kernel and see if the locking issues in my DVB cards are better now... (seing UNK errors on one frontend while tuning for active EIT scan on the other)
[18:52:35] EvilGuru: It is just going to be an off the shelf H.264 encoder chip and it makes more sense to develop one that is suitable for mobile devices
[18:53:34] devinheitmueller: EvilGuru: Not really. It all depends on your target application. Many devices are not low power because they are higher performance (doing a better job of compression). It's often a tradeoff between quality and power consumption.
[18:54:09] devinheitmueller: Nobody is going to try to jam the Vixs chip that the Colossus has onto a cell phone. The thing is huge!
[18:55:26] uh992k: hmm ... "losless transcoding" does only cut the video?
[18:55:47] uh992k: but I can set cuts not only on I-frames but on every frame
[18:55:54] wagnerrp: uh992k: for the most part
[18:56:13] wagnerrp: anything from a cut point back to the nearest I frame gets re-encoded as I frames
[18:56:43] uh992k: ah, he really does reincode? not just move the cut points to the next iframe?
[18:57:10] wagnerrp: correct, slightly more intelligent than a simple GOP cutter
[18:57:16] uh992k: nice :)
[18:57:28] wagnerrp: s/slightly/a whole lot/
[18:57:51] dekarl: uh992k: and it does drop streams that are not the main video/audio stream which might safe quite some bandwidth depending on whatever the channel sends (interactive stuff in DSM-CC carousels, many languages, many audio codecs, etc)
[18:58:07] uh992k: ah, good to know
[18:58:08] uh992k: may I ask you a couple of questions about the idle-state of the backend?
[18:58:20] wagnerrp: and remuxes to a PS format, which might save quite some additional bandwidth
[18:59:02] dekarl: hmm, would be nice to make the remux to PS optional (thinking about feeding it other devices)
[18:59:06] dinamic: Hi folks
[18:59:14] uh992k: I experienced a couple of problems today ... the first problem could be solved ... The backend didn't enter idle state for long because of EIT-updates ... I figured out there is a setting from preventing EIT updates when the backend is idle
[18:59:40] uh992k: but after fixing this, a "housekeeping"-thread reset the idle counter as well
[18:59:49] uh992k: I didn't found anything about this problem
[18:59:51] dinamic: I have just built and installed mythtv from source and have some problems with livetv
[19:00:32] dinamic: the permissions are correct int the filesystem
[19:00:43] dinamic: but i only get these messages:
[19:01:46] wagnerrp: uh992k: the backend will only poll EIT when it is idle
[19:02:11] EmleyMoor: What causes mythtv to briefly display "Please Wait..." then return to the menu instead of starting watching TV
[19:02:17] dinamic: 2012-05–01 21:01:26.806925 W RingBuf(/media/library/mythtv/livetv/7151_20120501210118.mpg): Taking too long to be allowed to read..
[19:02:17] dinamic: 2012-05–01 21:01:27.112663 W RingBuf(/media/library/mythtv/livetv/7151_20120501210118.mpg): Taking too long to be allowed to read..
[19:02:21] uh992k: but when updating the idle counter is reset and my setting for idle-time-to-shutdown doesn't work
[19:02:53] wagnerrp: at the moment, if you want idle shutdown to work, you cannot be using EIT for data
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[19:03:12] dinamic: i got a lock on the channel an it tries ti use the ringbuffer but fails with above log..
[19:03:34] uh992k: I first thought this, but then google told me otherweise ... there is an option which prevents EIT updates for $x minutes when the backend is idle
[19:03:50] uh992k: when the idle-shutdown time is $x-1 then it should work
[19:04:03] tekdoc: Hi. Anyone tried get get analog working with an HVR-1800 lately?
[19:04:22] dekarl: uh992k: the Active EIT issue is known, I worked around it on a 0.24 system by turning off the active eit scan and scheduling a nightly 30 minute recording to update the guide (one recording per multiplex, works good on e.g. satelite where one mux does contain the guide for all other muxes)
[19:04:25] wagnerrp: tekdoc: should work with a sufficiently modern kernel
[19:04:28] EmleyMoor: tekdoc: Never heard of that one. I have a 1700 and am interested
[19:04:31] dinamic: additional to this, the ringbuffer file contains some data ~ 400Bytes
[19:05:05] EmleyMoor: wagnerrp: Does that apply to me? If so, could do with it
[19:05:14] lautriv: tekdoc, where are you located ?
[19:05:41] tekdoc: I am running 3.3.4 and I built the cx23885 driver from Steven Toth's git repo
[19:05:50] tekdoc: I'm in Florida, USA
[19:06:08] wagnerrp: EmleyMoor: dont know much about the 1700
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[19:06:31] lautriv: tekdoc, ah,ok then you may have luck because analog was switched off in europe ;)
[19:06:32] wagnerrp: i just know there were long running driver issues with the 1800/1850 that prevented its use for analog with mythtv
[19:07:07] ** EmleyMoor is interested for the video input and maybe the RF output from other kit **
[19:07:44] tekdoc: Analog is working with tvtime but apparently that uses the raw device node and myth uses the mpeg encoder
[19:07:59] tekdoc: so that's where the problem is coming in for me
[19:08:09] sphery: "I just upgraded from .24 to .25 (mythbuntu 12.04), and now Live TV won't start twice." ... Did someone forget to tell users that we only allow Live TV use once, now, to try to finally convince people to use the DVR functionality?
[19:08:26] tgm4883: lol
[19:08:33] EmleyMoor: tekdoc: I don't have such nodes from my card anyway
[19:08:41] tekdoc: I'm getting these errors when I start mythbackend http://pastebin.com/K2hLu36k
[19:09:51] tekdoc: EmleyMoor – so you don't have /dev/video0 and /dev/video1?
[19:09:51] sphery: tekdoc: looks like you need to do a "Delete all capture cards" (not "Delete all capture cards on <hostname>") and reconfigure because your underlying system changed and, so, your configuration in MythTV needs to be changed
[19:09:58] dekarl: wagnerrp: we still have analogue on cable as unique selling point for the grannies, but now that everyone had to migrate to digital on satelite they will likely follow (not having an agreed upon way to access digital cable like you have with cablecard makes the analogue cable attractive, too)
[19:10:04] sphery: tekdoc: won't affect video sources or channels, so it's a 30s process
[19:10:45] tekdoc: sphery, tried but will try again...
[19:11:05] EmleyMoor: I have /dev/video0 but that's my old card
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[19:11:38] EmleyMoor: I can't actually get the TV to start at the moment anyway – no obvious reason
[19:11:42] sphery: tekdoc: what mythbackend --version
[19:12:50] tekdoc: I've tried .25 fixes and now git-master
[19:13:03] sphery: I'd recommend sticking with 0.25-fixes
[19:13:16] sphery: though not sure about the analog stuff with super-new kernels
[19:13:31] sphery: I remember some threads on -users list, but now what they finally found out
[19:13:37] lautriv: tekdoc, have just HVR-4000'S here which worked fine in the past. does you card have conexant 238xx ?
[19:13:41] tekdoc: sphery, still same error after "Delete all capture cards"
[19:14:30] tekdoc: yes, it has a conexant 23885
[19:15:28] lautriv: tekdoc, checked also the tuner (module) ?
[19:16:03] brfransen: tekdoc: 1800 analog is broken right now: //www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg45199.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger. . . . sg45199.html
[19:16:54] sphery: and did I hear a rumor that you had sent a card to a dev to help them figure it out?
[19:17:02] KaZeR: hey guys. i've having issues with my live tv. it freezes, then the frontend crashes.
[19:17:11] KaZeR: here's the log of the backend, annoted : http://pastebin.com/Wv8ppnWF
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[19:17:26] dinamic: is this sane: TV: playbackURL(/media/library/mythtv/livetv/7151_20120501211630.mpg) cardtype(DUMMY)
[19:17:28] tekdoc: thanks bfransen, I was thinking it could be a problem with the card
[19:17:30] brfransen: even applying that patch there is still something internal in the driver that is not right but I did get a bad pic and audio
[19:17:34] dinamic: cardtype(DUMMY) ???
[19:17:46] lautriv: is there already a solution for certain bugs in .25 ? i can scan channels but it won't let me edit/save it and if i change language in mythtv it's achnowleged and switches back on netxt session.
[19:17:52] brfransen: sphery: yes
[19:18:08] lautriv: s/mythtv/mythweb
[19:18:35] sphery: brfransen: nice...
[19:19:34] sphery: lautriv: have you set up authentication on mythweb? it uses that to determine session (which is where settings are stored)
[19:20:19] sphery: dinamic: looks like you're never getting any data from your capture device
[19:20:41] sphery: dinamic: make sure you're on the most-current 0.25-fixes version (not the tarball/release version)
[19:20:48] sphery: other than that, not sure what to recommend
[19:21:36] tekdoc: brfransen: I looked at that link but I can't figure out how it relates this this problem with MythTv
[19:23:13] sphery: so I just finally figured out why one of the threads in my mail client is "stuck" at the bottom of the list, regardless of how many new messages I get--because a user sent a message with a date that's a month ahead
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[19:23:42] sphery: might have to actually compact the folder
[19:25:09] brfransen: tekdoc: is video1 the mpeg encoder?
[19:25:22] tekdoc: yes. video0 is the raw device
[19:26:00] brfransen: so in myth video1 should be setup as a vtv mpeg2 tuner
[19:26:05] dinamic: sphery, thanx, thats my feeling too, cardtype(dummy) sound strange, im trying to recreate the setup
[19:26:12] tekdoc: tested with cat /dev/video1 > /tmp/foo.mpg and got audio but no video
[19:26:28] tekdoc: yes, that's how I have it set up.
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[19:26:55] dinamic: sphery, im on master so i guess i live on the edge :)
[19:27:20] Oleg_: sphery, I am on the release version
[19:27:38] Oleg_: how can I get 0.25-fixes version?
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[19:28:09] tekdoc: brfransen: now I see, in that link on linux-media, the guy was complaining about a driver regression
[19:28:14] sphery: Oleg_: what distro?
[19:28:27] sphery: for Ubuntu, http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos
[19:28:47] sphery: other distros should have packages for 0.25-fixes, but may also require specifically enabling them
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[19:30:50] Oleg_: I see https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv
[19:30:59] dekarl: KaZeR: is that with an up to date fixes/0.25
[19:31:07] Oleg_: is it for -fixes or the next development version?
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[19:32:08] sphery: Oleg_: if you pull from git, you should use the commands at http://code.mythtv.org/trac to get stable
[19:32:43] sphery: but if you're not actually applying patches, it probably makes more sense to use packages for your distro than to compile yourself
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[19:33:31] dekarl: unless its mythbuntu which allows you to build your own patches packages in one command line :)
[19:34:15] Oleg_: why would I need mythweb?
[19:35:14] dekarl: Oleg_: to setup complicated recording rules with a real keyboard and copy'n'paste?
[19:35:16] sphery: never needed, but useful
[19:37:32] Oleg_: on freebsd, the best solution for me would be to get fixes for ver. 0.25 from git and compile
[19:37:37] Oleg_: it
[19:38:56] Oleg_: I compiled the release version, but should have compiled the stable version
[19:44:52] KaZeR: dekarl, it is yes. but apparently it was caused by my livetv directory being mounted over nfs
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[19:45:08] KaZeR: i switched it to local following FabriceMG's advices, and it seems stable now
[19:45:09] KaZeR: thanks
[19:47:42] dekarl: ahh ok, that makes sense.
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[19:52:50] Oleg_: if I wanna use mythtv with an hd homerun tuner, do I still need to specify --dvb-path before compiling mythtv?
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[19:55:11] wagnerrp: no
[19:55:22] wagnerrp: support for the HDHR is built into mythtv
[19:55:33] wagnerrp: there are no external needs, save a basic networking stack
[19:55:42] dekarl: wagnerrp: can Oleg_ not simply use the ports and change the revision that it pulls?
[19:56:29] wagnerrp: no idea, never used the ports
[19:57:36] Oleg_: dekarl, the ports tree still contains mythtv-0.24.2, and I don't wanna change anything in the ports tree
[19:58:02] dekarl: oh, I thought it was some older 0.25
[19:58:07] wagnerrp: sphery: what was the incantation to not listen to dbus?
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[20:02:38] dinamic: sphery, thanx pointing me in the right direction to success ;)
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[20:03:45] Iffi: hellow every1
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[20:06:52] Oleg_: even if I disable Video4Linux support, mythtv/external/FFmpeg/libavdevice still wants to compile v4l2.c
[20:07:16] wagnerrp: is it preventing things from compiling?
[20:07:46] Oleg_: no
[20:07:54] wagnerrp: then dont worry about it
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[20:26:46] sphery: wagnerrp: not use dbus?
[20:27:00] wagnerrp: mythfrontend, the loading stall when its not running
[20:27:09] sphery: you mean udisks?
[20:27:22] sphery: if so, there's no way to sidestep that--other than install udisks
[20:27:30] wagnerrp: oh
[20:28:02] sphery: I considered patching it to only do that poll loop if you enabled media monitor, but found out that doing so would actually break non-media-monitor stuff like ejecting CDs/DVDs, so left it out
[20:29:20] sphery: the best approach is to move the media monitor startup (or at least that "let's poll in case a broken distro's startup scripts start mythfrontend before starting its prerequisites") out of the UI thread
[20:29:52] wagnerrp: the best approach is to move the media monitor out of the frontend
[20:29:56] sphery: or, IMHO, remove the hack completely and require people to start required software /before/ starting the frontend
[20:30:04] sphery: hehe, yeah, that too
[20:30:14] EmleyMoor: Damned antenna failed again!
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[20:30:48] EmleyMoor: I just hope the new place has a better one
[20:31:38] EagleIJoe: is there a way to start mythbackend without having any input devices avaiable?
[20:32:00] wagnerrp: nope
[20:32:13] wagnerrp: its something that will need to happen for the new web setup
[20:32:18] wagnerrp: but something not yet implemented
[20:32:47] ** kormoc peers at wagnerrp and lets him know he'll be back later **
[20:33:06] wagnerrp: kormoc: dont worry about it, already answered
[20:33:07] wagnerrp: thanks
[20:33:17] kormoc: kk
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[20:33:32] Oleg_: this patch: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket . . . cc_4.7.patch still needs to be applied
[20:34:24] wagnerrp: note, dont edit a video's metadata to change the category while the grabber is still pulling content for it
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[20:45:40] sphery: Oleg_: according to the ticket, it doesn't – #10537
[20:45:40] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10537 **
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[20:46:07] Oleg_: well, on my computer, it still needs to be applied
[20:46:14] sphery: the non-ffmpeg parts have been applied, and the ffmpeg changes (likely from http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10537#comment:10 ) need applied
[20:46:27] sphery: from = from the link referenced at
[20:46:48] sphery: try applying that ffmpeg changeset and see if that fixes it, and, if so, you can say so on the ticket
[20:48:18] Oleg_: but I already applied the patch, and now the compilation resumed
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[20:50:30] wagnerrp: hey, apparently i have a copy of "mission impossible: ghost protocol" on my system
[20:51:27] ** wagnerrp wonders how it came up with that as the correct selection during automatic grabbing **
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[21:32:37] tgm4883: wagnerrp, it did that for me as well, for both Mission Impossible 1 and Mission Impossible 3
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[22:02:19] devinheitmueller: brfransen: what happens when you try the 950q under 0.25?
[22:02:25] devinheitmueller: What errors do you get (if any)?
[22:02:42] brfransen: devinheitmueller: I didn't change os or drivers, just upgraded to .25 and the backend would stall. I tracked it down by removeing all tuners.
[22:02:44] devinheitmueller: .... and did you update the entire distro including the kernel, or did you just update Myth?
[22:03:06] devinheitmueller: what the hell are those guys in #mythtv doing?
[22:03:13] devinheitmueller: good thing I said that in this channel.
[22:03:25] devinheitmueller: Oh wait, you mean all the devs can see these messages too?
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[22:03:51] brfransen: mythtv-setup said something like unknown error when trying to open the digital side
[22:03:59] devinheitmueller: ugh.
[22:04:33] devinheitmueller: Yeah, this is the first I've heard of any such issue. Any references to the error message in the mythtv-users mailing list?
[22:04:53] brfransen: nothing exactly like I was seeing
[22:05:14] brfransen: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 950q;#511298
[22:05:14] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/511298 **
[22:05:17] brfransen: this is close
[22:05:46] devinheitmueller: Are you seeing this error?
[22:05:55] devinheitmueller: (e.g. in the dmesg output)
[22:06:02] devinheitmueller: Oh, and that trac ticket doesn't resolve to anything.
[22:06:28] brfransen: bot fail
[22:07:03] brfransen: no I didn't see the dmesg error
[22:07:54] devinheitmueller: seems like somebody was working on it, but no visible progress yet.
[22:08:01] brfransen: it was on my production system so I had to revert to .24 or my family would revolt
[22:08:08] devinheitmueller: Yeah, I hear you.
[22:08:26] brfransen: in the next few days I am going to put it on a test box and can get some more info then
[22:08:56] devinheitmueller: Yeah, I commented on the patch in question. It's some sort of lock imbalance.
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[22:16:40] brfransen: devinheitmueller: one diff is that I can't even get the 950 to work in .25 where as some in that thread were able to.
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[22:17:52] devinheitmueller: brfransen: sounds very fishy.
[22:18:23] devinheitmueller: I would probably have to add some debugging to get a better idea what is going on there.
[22:18:30] devinheitmueller: Did you build 0.25 from source?
[22:19:37] brfransen: I contribute to linhes and installed it from our pkg
[22:19:48] devinheitmueller: Ah, ok.
[22:20:19] devinheitmueller: I wonder if virtualbox finally got their USB working well enough to support high speed isoc.
[22:20:27] devinheitmueller: Were you doing analog or digital?
[22:20:40] devinheitmueller: Oh, duh, looking at the log this is analog.
[22:20:52] devinheitmueller: Hmmm, perhaps not.
[22:22:24] devinheitmueller: Yeah, do you have both analog and digital inputs configured?
[22:22:47] brfransen: I use both in .24
[22:22:54] brfransen: and they both work great there
[22:23:09] devinheitmueller: It would be worth trying to remove one or the other, to see if it's related to some sort of use of both simultaneously.
[22:23:21] devinheitmueller: For example, temporarily drop the analog source and see if it still fails.
[22:23:32] brfransen: livetv channel changes are sometimes iffy but other than that no problems
[22:23:40] devinheitmueller: I mean under 0.25.
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[22:24:06] brfransen: yes I did that under .25 and with either dvb or v4l configured it would stall the backend
[22:24:16] devinheitmueller: Ok.
[22:24:19] devinheitmueller: Interesting.
[22:24:45] brfransen: dvb it was obvious going to be an issue because mythtv-setup gave an error probinig
[22:25:01] devinheitmueller: Well, if it's that reproducible I assume I could probably just install the Ubuntu 12.04 ISO in virtualbox, setup a DVB source, and see the problem myself.
[22:25:22] devinheitmueller: (basically I'm trying to figure out the fastest way I can reliably reproduce the issue myself)
[22:29:21] devinheitmueller: have to go. ttyl.
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[23:02:43] lake1: My Hardware is a HDPVR and DirecTV. The HDPVR has an ir blaster built in. Will I need to purchase a USB/Serial converter?
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[23:17:26] lake: My main issue is I don't know how to get mythtv to change channels. My HD-PVR has a blaster on it but i'm not sure how i'm supposed to communicate with that.
[23:19:40] lake: at this time mythtv cannot control the HD-PVR or the DirectTv. I'm not sure which one i'm supposed to use. What is the IR blaster on the HD PVR there for?
[23:19:42] wagnerrp: you give mythtv a channel changing script
[23:19:54] wagnerrp: and the script does whatever it needs to do to change the channel on the STB
[23:20:08] lake: wagnerrp: i have tried a few. one specifically was the directv.pl script
[23:20:35] wagnerrp: mythtv will call whatever script you put in there, with an additional argument of a 1–4 digit channel number
[23:21:27] lake: wagnerrp: but that's under the assumption that i am connecting through a mythbackend <-> usb/serial converter <-> null modem <-> usb/serial converter <-> directv?
[23:21:37] lake: or is that not needed
[23:21:45] wagnerrp: that is one option, potentially
[23:21:56] wagnerrp: i can never remember if its directv, or dish, or both receivers that support such
[23:21:58] lake: if i can avoid it i would prefer that.
[23:22:08] lake: directv certainly does
[23:22:11] wagnerrp: if you can do anything to avoid using IR, you should
[23:22:27] lake: yes, ideally i could use my bluetooth ps3 remote controller
[23:22:59] wagnerrp: huh? how would a PS3 controller control your STB?
[23:23:21] wagnerrp: more importantly, how would mythtv control your PS3 controller to make it control your STB
[23:23:24] wagnerrp: that makes no sense
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[23:24:34] lake: i think it's possible with the usb/serial method given there is a program that converts bluetooth input to lirc readable commands.
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[23:25:04] lake: but i'm probably missing some core concepts.
[23:25:07] wagnerrp: but why would you be controlling the STB with a gamepad?
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[23:25:46] lake: it's not actually the ps3 game page. it is a bluetooth remote control for the ps3
[23:25:58] lake: game pad*
[23:26:05] wagnerrp: ok... why would you be controlling the STB with a handheld remote?
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[23:26:37] lake: right, i don't want to do that. if anything i would want it to control mythtv.
[23:26:53] wagnerrp: correct, you tell mythtv what program or channel you want to watch
[23:27:00] wagnerrp: and it does whatever it needs to do to access that channel
[23:27:32] lake: okay, so i'll go ahead and assume that i'll need the directv.pl script.
[23:27:49] lake: i think i already have it, i just need to point mythtv at it.
[23:28:08] wagnerrp: it doesnt have to be directv.pl, just something that will allow mythtv to change channels on the STB through the command line
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[23:29:08] lake: and there is where my issue lies. i have literally spent days trying to get the channel to change through mythtv with no success.
[23:29:49] lake: it's stuck on CNN — i won't bring myself to use the drv remote until i figure it out.
[23:30:06] lake: STB remote i mean
[23:30:25] wagnerrp: ignore mythtv entirely right now
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[23:30:34] wagnerrp: can you get channel changing working from a script
[23:30:58] wagnerrp: leave mythtv out of the equation, and just try to get that working
[23:31:31] lake: i have tried ivtv, directv.pl, blaster and nothing worked. :(
[23:32:12] lake: and that was directly from the command line.
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[23:32:53] wagnerrp: i dont have any experience with directv or the HDPVR to help you with that
[23:33:28] lake: what i don't understand is how the command line script can get a signal to the hd pvr to blast the ir directv.
[23:33:50] wagnerrp: through LIRC
[23:34:01] wagnerrp: LIRC can communicate with the IR transmitter on the HDPVR
[23:34:12] wagnerrp: and you can communicate with LIRC using 'irsend'
[23:34:26] lake: but doesn't that presume that i have some hardware sitting in my "serial" port?
[23:34:33] lake: able to shoot it out
[23:34:41] wagnerrp: doesnt what assume?
[23:34:41] lake: or does it go through the usb?
[23:34:58] wagnerrp: it communicates with the hardware in the HDPVR, connected over USB
[23:35:14] wagnerrp: and the HDPVR has all the necessary electronics to modulate and transmit the codes you give it
[23:35:24] lake: okay by using lirc i assumed i needed a serial ir transmitter or something
[23:35:32] wagnerrp: theres no manual serial bigbanging going on
[23:35:58] lake: wow i'm relieved
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[23:37:35] lake: wagnerrp: what hardware do you use then?
[23:37:47] lake: because this has been a PITA
[23:37:55] wagnerrp: HDHomeRun and HVR-1250
[23:37:58] wagnerrp: digital tuners
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[23:38:26] lake: that's what i should do. i feel really limited by this hdpvr.
[23:38:56] wagnerrp: you cant do anything with directv using a digital tuner
[23:39:01] wagnerrp: you must use analog capture of some form
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[23:39:37] lake: oh, so i actually kind of did the right thing so far. phew
[23:40:05] wagnerrp: youre otherwise masked by a linode, who is your local cable provider?
[23:40:22] lake: time warner
[23:40:34] wagnerrp: heh... well youre screwed with them too
[23:40:36] wagnerrp: no verizon?
[23:41:22] lake: why am i screwed w/ them?
[23:41:47] lake: not sure about verizon
[23:41:59] wagnerrp: with cable, you can get a cablecard tuner that will decrypt the channels and pass them onto a computer such as a PC running MythTV
[23:42:14] wagnerrp: since mythtv is not licensed to use cablecard, we are only allowed to access the 'copy freely' channels
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[23:42:32] wagnerrp: comcast and verizon mark all but their premiums as 'copy freely'
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[23:42:47] wagnerrp: time warner marked nearly everything as 'copy once' or 'copy never'
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[23:43:01] wagnerrp: meaning mythtv is not allowed to record them
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[23:44:59] lake: This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
[23:45:27] wagnerrp: nothing we can do, not enough people understand they are getting screwed to do anything about it
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[23:46:55] wagnerrp: the content providers cry "piracy", so the rest of us paying consumers get DRM shoveled down our throats, and the general public is none the wiser
[23:47:57] lake: well, i have a directv box. i may be wrong about my provider. it's just satelite dish and box.
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[23:48:50] lake: it's definitely directv. i was mistaken.
[23:49:01] wagnerrp: and with directv, you can only access the content through their hardware, and they provide no means of getting compressed digital content out of their hardware
[23:49:08] wagnerrp: there is no option but analog capture
[23:49:26] wagnerrp: same with time warner, and any digital cable company that locks up cablecard use behind DRM
[23:49:27] lake: that's what I have the HDPVR for, right?
[23:49:35] wagnerrp: correct
[23:49:56] lake: analog capture being OTA?
[23:50:08] lake: rabbit ears?
[23:50:23] wagnerrp: analog capture being those red, green, and blue coaxial cables you connect from your STB to your HDPVR
[23:50:35] wagnerrp: analog video, as opposed to digital
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[23:51:57] lake: wagnerrp: right, that's how i have it setup now. DTV (component out) -> (component in) HDPVR -> (USB) Myth Backend)
[23:52:25] lake: if i was writing list i would have a syntax error.
[23:52:30] lake: lisp*
[23:53:34] lake: wagnerrp: i guess i'm not totally following you here.
[23:53:49] wagnerrp: do you understand the difference between analog and digital?
[23:54:20] wagnerrp: analog is things like old NTSC broadcasts, composite and svideo, component video, VGA
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[23:54:38] wagnerrp: digital is things like satellite, ATSC broadcast, digital cable, DVI, HDMI, USB
[23:54:38] lake: digital is like dvi hdmi
[23:55:13] wagnerrp: a digital tuner captures the raw compressed data stream coming from the broadcaster
[23:55:14] lake: yes, got it. so there will be a loss in quality.
[23:55:29] wagnerrp: a cablecard tuner captures the encrypted data stream, and decrypts it so mythtv can use it
[23:55:54] wagnerrp: the bigger issue than quality is that a digital tuner allows mythtv to have direct control over the tuner
[23:56:15] wagnerrp: while analog capture means you need to route the video through some other device, and use some funky control mechanism to allow mythtv to change channels
[23:56:20] wagnerrp: such as you are currently trying to figure out
[23:57:01] lake: exactly — my funchy mechanism is getting the damn ir blaster on the hdpvr to work
[23:57:46] lake: or am i still not getting it
[23:58:29] lake: apologies for my noobness regarding this stuff. thanks for chatting with me about it — that's really cool
[23:59:08] lake: i feel like i've exhausted google looking for how to get this to work — i have found nothing straightforward. that makes me sad
[23:59:38] wagnerrp: too many different combinations of too many different sets of hardware
[23:59:59] wagnerrp: and when someone finally does get it working, they leave it there rather than update the documentation to make it easier for the next person

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