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| [00:10:57] | Oleg_: | I don't understand |
| [00:11:16] | Oleg_: | if recording is still in progress, I can't watch it in Watch Recordings section? |
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| [00:31:30] | Oleg_: | what's wrong with rewinding live tv in mythtv 0.25? |
| [00:31:43] | Oleg_: | pressing left arrow doesn't rewind anything |
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| [00:33:45] | sphery: | Oleg_: did you just upgrade from an ancient version? |
| [00:38:29] | Oleg_: | no |
| [00:39:26] | Oleg_: | also, why is there no recording in Watching Recording section? |
| [00:39:46] | Oleg_: | the recording is still in progress, but shouldn't it be there anyway? |
| [00:41:01] | Oleg_: | and this: |
| [00:41:09] | Oleg_: | http://pastebin.com/8qHPD0x1 |
| [00:41:21] | Oleg_: | the database seems corrupted |
| [00:41:25] | wagnerrp: | hehe... Law and Order: Greendale Collage |
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| [00:42:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, youre not going to have much luck seeking with a broken seek table |
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| [00:44:08] | locuse: | what a day :-/ (1) I have a new motherboard (there was smoke), (2) Beirdo wagnerrp with a little help from @ML, i've found/fixed my mythtv-can't-DL-epg-from-SD issue: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /332856.html |
| [00:46:19] | wagnerrp: | locuse: what paul kendall mentioned would allow tv_grab_na_dd to work |
| [00:46:27] | wagnerrp: | but i still have no idea what could cause the internal issues |
| [00:46:41] | locuse: | the question arises, what to DO about it. mythtv import fails to parse the 'long' channel IDs that SD xml data seems to be providing. i'm guessing myth's scanner has a similar issue. so, change/modify parser code? or try to get SD to change their data? |
| [00:46:54] | locuse: | hm |
| [00:47:03] | wagnerrp: | or it looks like you instead modified the grabber itself |
| [00:47:26] | locuse: | nope. didn't modify the grabber at all. i modified the grabbed-data |
| [00:48:18] | wagnerrp: | meaning you're going to modify the data file every time you want to update? |
| [00:48:57] | Oleg_: | but why is my database corrupted? |
| [00:49:18] | locuse: | wagnerrp: that's why cron was invented, right? tv_grab_na_dd the epg, regex parse the data, run mythfilldatabase with *import* |
| [00:49:29] | locuse: | full-auto. |
| [00:49:31] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: system crash while writing? ran out of disk space? |
| [00:49:50] | wagnerrp: | locuse: meaning you modified the grabber |
| [00:49:58] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, which means I need to delete the database and then re-create it? |
| [00:50:04] | locuse: | wagnerrp: nope. the data. |
| [00:50:12] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: no, you repair the database |
| [00:50:26] | wagnerrp: | worse case, you truncate the table, and rebuild the seektable for all your recordings |
| [00:50:52] | Oleg_: | it's not normal that the recording is not available in the Watch Recordings section, even though it's still in progress, right? |
| [00:51:17] | wagnerrp: | locuse: something downloads the content, parses it, and outputs an XMLTV file that mythfilldatabase pulls in |
| [00:51:24] | wagnerrp: | that constitutes "the grabber" |
| [00:51:49] | wagnerrp: | if youre adding an extra step before passing it into the existing parser, im saying thats still part of the grabber |
| [00:51:58] | wagnerrp: | thats all i mean |
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| [00:52:08] | Oleg_: | is it supposed to be there or not? |
| [00:52:16] | locuse: | semantics. tv_grab_na_dd is the grabber in my book. it's used UNmodified to pull xml data. i run a perl regex on the data. then i use mythfilldb UNmodified on THAT data file. |
| [00:52:25] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: sometimes the frontend can miss an event or two, and fail to pull in a new recording |
| [00:52:37] | wagnerrp: | try exiting and going back in to refresh it |
| [00:54:06] | Oleg_: | still not there |
| [00:54:34] | locuse: | so, back to the question — what needs to change, ultimately. code in mythtv? or data at SD? |
| [00:55:51] | wagnerrp: | in theory, neither |
| [00:56:00] | wagnerrp: | since we still have no idea why its not actually updating |
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| [00:58:23] | locuse: | wagnerrp: if i change the data in mythtv's channel editor, so that ChannelID=="I#####.labs.zap2it.com", so that it exactly matches what SD is (currently) providing, would the output of a mythfilldatabase *scan* (not import) be useful in answering that? |
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| [00:59:38] | wagnerrp: | it should just give the same thing as before |
| [00:59:47] | wagnerrp: | wait... |
| [00:59:59] | wagnerrp: | are you changing the channel id or xmltvid in the channel editor? |
| [01:00:10] | wagnerrp: | those are two different things |
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| [01:01:25] | locuse: | sorry, acronymitis --- in the ChannelEditor, I'm changing the values in the field 'xmltvid' |
| [01:02:35] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, mythtv's internal scanner should be parsing that 5-digit code out of the data |
| [01:02:55] | locuse: | wagnerrp: well, let's see ... |
| [01:02:57] | wagnerrp: | or potentially, that 5-digit code is all that comes in the data, and the XMLTV grabber is adding the other text |
| [01:04:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the TMSWebServices format just has a 5-digit station id, the '.labs.zap2it.com' is something added by the xmltv grabber |
| [01:04:36] | wagnerrp: | oddly, it continues to do that five years after we stopped getting data from labs.zap2it.com |
| [01:04:51] | locuse: | that's ADDED? |
| [01:05:22] | locuse: | btw, how do I clear/flush a populated EPG? |
| [01:06:09] | wagnerrp: | quick and dirty... 'truncate table program;' |
| [01:06:33] | wagnerrp: | although you will leave lingering data that may or may not get cleaned up |
| [01:07:05] | locuse: | looky there, in grab/na_dd/tv_grab_na_dd.in --> my $myid = sprintf("I%d.labs.zap2it.com",$sid); |
| [01:08:02] | locuse: | hrm "truncate table program;" -> Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.01 sec) |
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| [01:13:01] | locuse: | wagnerrp: rats. after clearing the table, checking to make sure i have an 'empty' EPG, modding the '#####' -> 'I#####.zap-whatever' in MythwebChannelEditor, and running: mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all, not an import. still, no data gets inserted. |
| [01:14:10] | locuse: | hrm. after that truncate table program; i don't need to restart mythbacked before the mythfilldb, do I? don't think so ... |
| [01:14:57] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [01:15:44] | locuse: | wagnerrp: well, then, it didn't work. atm, the 'modified grabber' + import approach is only available option. and, still, no clude what's not working in the internal grab. |
| [01:16:40] | sphery: | Oleg_: run optimize_mythdb.pl , then (ideally, restart backends and frontends), then http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F |
| [01:17:03] | Oleg_: | thanks for the tips |
| [01:17:04] | sphery: | locuse: why aren't you using the "internal" grabber? |
| [01:17:18] | locuse: | sphery: because it doens't work ... |
| [01:17:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: doesnt insert data for as yet unknown reasons |
| [01:17:49] | sphery: | doesn't insert or is he one of the doesn't download people? |
| [01:18:00] | wagnerrp: | seems to download fine |
| [01:18:06] | wagnerrp: | just never matches up with the XMLTV IDs |
| [01:18:21] | wagnerrp: | nor does it populate XMLTV IDs for channels with matching callsigns |
| [01:19:01] | sphery: | not populating xmltvids isn't unusual (assuming digital channels)--because they often send info that can't match with TMS/SD info |
| [01:19:13] | sphery: | I'd guess there are shadow channels |
| [01:19:30] | wagnerrp: | not populating all is expected |
| [01:19:33] | wagnerrp: | not populating any is odd |
| [01:20:09] | locuse: | and not populating after manual entry ov XMLTVIDs to exactly match that from SD is odder still |
| [01:20:14] | sphery: | I'd recommend Delete all video sources, then create video source, connect input, scan for channels, edit xmltvids (to contain the number SD lineup editor shows--and SD lineup "report", iirc), then continue connecting inputs |
| [01:20:39] | sphery: | not populating after manually editing xmltvid isn't unusual--if you have shadow channels |
| [01:21:08] | sphery: | i.e. you scanned, and got channels that work, then you ran mfdb and it added channels instead of matching them, and set up xmltvid on them |
| [01:21:21] | sphery: | those channels don't tune, but get data |
| [01:21:30] | sphery: | since they don't tune, they're not shown in guide |
| [01:21:31] | Beirdo: | locuse, I still will need to see pcap files from the pull from SD to be able to determine if our code is messing up, or if this is a case for SD to look into |
| [01:21:51] | sphery: | sounds like this isn't one of the "not downloading" ones |
| [01:21:55] | Beirdo: | it was |
| [01:22:02] | Beirdo: | so he switched to xmltv |
| [01:22:07] | Beirdo: | which also didn't work right |
| [01:22:13] | Beirdo: | so he hacked on it to make it work right |
| [01:22:16] | sphery: | 04.26 21:18:00 <+wagnerrp> seems to download fine |
| [01:22:16] | sphery: | 04.26 21:18:06 <+wagnerrp> just never matches up with the XMLTV IDs |
| [01:22:31] | sphery: | what hackingdid he do? |
| [01:22:41] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: it did work right, the XMLTV grabber just adds a bunch of garbage to the ID, so they didnt match up still |
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| [01:22:49] | Beirdo: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /332856.html |
| [01:22:54] | sphery: | what's downloading right? |
| [01:23:03] | wagnerrp: | add similar garbage to the ID stored in the database, and the XMLTV grabber worked fine |
| [01:23:05] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: that's not using the internal datadirect code, now is it? |
| [01:23:08] | sphery: | internall grabber or only downloads with tv_grabber_na_dd |
| [01:23:09] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:23:30] | wagnerrp: | downloads with tv_grab_na_dd |
| [01:23:39] | wagnerrp: | those use a different interface as mythtv? |
| [01:23:42] | Beirdo: | the original problem was with datadirect code in mythtv, was it not? |
| [01:23:55] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [01:24:03] | sphery: | locuse: if you're using tv_grab_na_dd, you need to do a raw download |
| [01:24:12] | sphery: | locuse: you cannot use --file, you must use --dd-file |
| [01:24:16] | Beirdo: | right. and that original problem still isn't solved, AFAICT |
| [01:24:26] | ** sphery guesses the "adding different code" is because you're using XMLTV ** | |
| [01:24:43] | sphery: | and not using DataDirect properly |
| [01:24:57] | sphery: | (i.e. you're treating it as a non-DD xmltv source) |
| [01:25:24] | sphery: | that said, it would be much better for you to spend time grabbing the info Beirdo needs to fix the "internal grabber doesn't download" problem |
| [01:25:48] | sphery: | (fwiw, I know the thread on -users was wrong, but didn't get a chance to correct the --file stuff on there) |
| [01:28:28] | locuse: | works fine with tvheadend and freeguide ... i've been using :: tv_grab_na_dd --config-file "/var/lib/mythtv/.xmltv/tv_grab_na_dd.conf". lemme explore the --dd-data biz ... |
| [01:29:25] | locuse: | sphery: tbh, after 5 days of this, my time's best spent getting myth up-n-running. atm, i have a working workaound. that said, i'll start pulling stuff together again, right after i finish putting this box back together. |
| [01:29:53] | ** sphery checks ** | |
| [01:30:02] | sphery: | nope... MythTV isn't tvheadend and freeguide |
| [01:30:09] | sphery: | 04.26 21:24:02 <+sphery> locuse: if you're using tv_grab_na_dd, you need to do a raw download |
| [01:30:12] | sphery: | 04.26 21:24:11 <+sphery> locuse: you cannot use --file, you must use --dd-file |
| [01:30:22] | sphery: | --dd-file with mythfilldatabase |
| [01:31:00] | locuse: | sphery: didn't say it was. |
| [01:31:23] | sphery: | anyway, let's hope one of the other 3 people having the problem are actually willing to help fix it for everyone rather than set up some hack to work around the issue |
| [01:31:44] | Beirdo: | didn't you already run tcpdump earlier in the day? |
| [01:32:57] | locuse: | sphery: actually willing? are you joking? |
| [01:33:06] | locuse: | Beirdo: yep, and the machine blew up. see above. |
| [01:33:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: are there really systems that put more than 5 channels on a frequency/mux? |
| [01:33:15] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [01:33:23] | Beirdo: | hah. Well that does happen |
| [01:33:30] | Beirdo: | sucky as it is. |
| [01:33:40] | locuse: | the new mobo's nice ... |
| [01:33:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ive got audio-only channels on cable that do several dozen per mux |
| [01:34:09] | Beirdo: | the mobo has nothing to do with the existance of a pcap file on the hard drive though |
| [01:34:09] | wagnerrp: | my local PBS affiliate might have 6 video channels (at very low bitrate) |
| [01:34:31] | sphery: | hehe, so this, "why does mythtv limit me to only 5 virtual tuners per capture device" is all so some users can get 10 radio channels from a single capture card? |
| [01:35:08] | wagnerrp: | in the UK, there is more bandwidth per channel, and their SD channels tend to be lower bitrate |
| [01:35:14] | locuse: | Beirdo: i'll be sure to get you the pcap data. despite sphery being annoying. |
| [01:35:26] | wagnerrp: | i think its not uncommon for them to have 10+ channels on a mux |
| [01:35:29] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm going home. |
| [01:35:35] | locuse: | tata |
| [01:36:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, guess if they're doing SD in h.264, they could |
| [01:36:46] | sphery: | though they have 8MHz compared to our 6MHz, so not /that/ much more bandwidth |
| [01:37:16] | wagnerrp: | different modulation |
| [01:37:30] | wagnerrp: | T2 is considerably more efficient than ATSC |
| [01:39:37] | locuse: | sphery: if you're so hot to trot to have users 'willing to help fix it for everyone', you might want to not insult those that have been trying to do exactly that for days in here. |
| [01:40:05] | sphery: | I was only responding to your, "best to get it working for me" message |
| [01:40:40] | locuse: | then read the rest of th sentence before you pop off |
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| [02:04:28] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: so do you think #10660 and #10661 were supposed to have patches, only the guy forgot? |
| [02:04:28] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10660 ** | |
| [02:04:28] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10661 ** | |
| [02:04:41] | wagnerrp: | they were worded as if there were patches to follow up |
| [02:04:45] | wagnerrp: | they just never showed |
| [02:06:14] | wagnerrp: | looks like weve got a new winner! -139 karma on the spam filter |
| [02:08:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, nothing shows up as blocked in the filter |
| [02:09:18] | Oleg_: | for music files, such as flac and mp3, what storage group I can use? |
| [02:09:29] | Oleg_: | I don't see Music storage storage group |
| [02:09:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: stichnot was thinking the same, too |
| [02:09:57] | sphery: | (mentioned in #mythtv) |
| [02:10:09] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: none as yet |
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| [02:12:09] | Oleg_: | so, how can mythmusic plugin see music files? |
| [02:12:23] | wagnerrp: | you have to define them in the old-style frontend settings |
| [02:12:40] | wagnerrp: | which also means if you have remote frontends, the content must be mounted locally using NFS or similar |
| [02:13:06] | sphery: | hehe, Bonjour registration taking 16s on [mythtv-users] mythtvfrontend pauses before it loads |
| [02:13:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you see that ^^^ ... Is it misconfiguration of IP addresses? |
| [02:13:40] | sphery: | or is that what you and jy a were working on? |
| [02:14:15] | wagnerrp: | bonjour registration is done independent of my code |
| [02:14:27] | sphery: | yeah, but I'm thinking it shouldn't be trying |
| [02:14:29] | wagnerrp: | if its a misconfiguration, its a system one, and not mythtv's issue |
| [02:14:36] | wagnerrp: | what thread? i havent been following those |
| [02:14:43] | sphery: | and he's misconfigured his IP addy's so it does when shouldn't |
| [02:14:48] | sphery: | [mythtv-users] mythtvfrontend pauses before it loads |
| [02:15:16] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/515370#515370 |
| [02:15:27] | wagnerrp: | lovely... 'mythtvfrontend' |
| [02:16:10] | ** sphery curses Beirdo's MythLogBot for not having a !search gossamer mythtvfrontend pauses before it loads ** | |
| [02:16:28] | sphery: | is that the name of someone else's frontend client |
| [02:16:36] | sphery: | or just a user name-o? |
| [02:16:50] | wagnerrp: | the name of the thread |
| [02:20:05] | sphery: | yeah, just wondered where he got it |
| [02:20:47] | wagnerrp: | its mythtv, so it must be mythtvfrontend, right? |
| [02:21:04] | wagnerrp: | just like how its mythtvbackend, and mythtvfilldatabase, and mythtvtranscode, and... |
| [02:21:26] | sphery: | hehe |
| [02:21:29] | sphery: | guess so |
| [02:25:48] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: over 50 new hosts today, just 78 to go |
| [02:25:55] | wagnerrp: | looks like youre right on track |
| [02:26:46] | wagnerrp: | 96% of clusters run on a single host |
| [02:26:51] | wagnerrp: | that is honestly very surprising |
| [02:27:26] | ** wagnerrp wonders if that puts him as part of the 1% ** | |
| [02:27:55] | ** wagnerrp should get mythtv installed on his laptop so he can be part of the 0.1% ** | |
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| [02:36:22] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
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| [04:31:26] | firl: | anyone know if mythtv .24 supports bktr driven cards? ( freebsd ) |
| [04:32:26] | [R]: | pretty sure it only supports networked tuners in everything but linux |
| [04:32:57] | firl: | yeah it seems to pick up my hdhome runs perfect |
| [04:33:21] | [R]: | because it doesnt erquire an os driver... |
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| [04:34:27] | firl: | I don't really need the analog anyways; so no biggie |
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| [04:38:26] | wagnerrp: | yes (no) |
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| [05:05:30] | Oleg_: | hdhome run doesn't require a software driver? |
| [05:05:56] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv has its own internal communications library |
| [05:06:30] | Oleg_: | how come this library is useless when it comes to other tv tuners? |
| [05:06:37] | Oleg_: | oh |
| [05:06:44] | Oleg_: | you are probably joking |
| [05:06:55] | [R]: | because you atlk to the homerun with networking |
| [05:06:57] | [R]: | not OS calls |
| [05:07:45] | Oleg_: | either wired or wireless LAN networking? |
| [05:08:01] | [R]: | what? |
| [05:08:06] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/browser/mythtv/my . . . ythhdhomerun |
| [05:08:25] | wagnerrp: | its basically just a tweaked version of the communications library distributed by silicon dust |
| [05:08:33] | wagnerrp: | the HDHomeRun has an ethernet port |
| [05:08:39] | wagnerrp: | you connect to it over the network |
| [05:09:07] | wagnerrp: | since it is not physically connected to the PC, there is no need for hardware drivers hooked into the kernel |
| [05:09:49] | wagnerrp: | in the same sense that you dont need kernel drivers to talk to an HTTP server |
| [05:09:52] | Oleg_: | but hdhomerun is for cable users, right? |
| [05:09:58] | Oleg_: | or satellite users? |
| [05:10:15] | wagnerrp: | broadcast and unencrypted digital cable |
| [05:11:15] | Oleg_: | but I read that a regular indoor antenna is often better than cable because it's over the air and therefore, catches the signals that are uncompressed |
| [05:11:25] | Oleg_: | and I read that cable providers often compress signals |
| [05:11:32] | wagnerrp: | no, all digital television is compressed |
| [05:11:59] | wagnerrp: | cable providers sometimes RE-compress the feeds, to give more options in fitting channels into limited transmission space |
| [05:12:59] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, digital cable has roughly double the bandwidth per channel as broadcast, and cable providers tend to group broadcast feeds together |
| [05:13:09] | wagnerrp: | making multirec much more useful on cable than broadcast |
| [05:13:55] | Oleg_: | so, over the air antenna vs. cable, they are equally good if they are correctly set up? |
| [05:14:10] | [R]: | well cable generally ahs more channels |
| [05:14:14] | [R]: | so it depends on what "good" means |
| [05:14:27] | wagnerrp: | broadcast, with a good antenna, may give you better quality recordings |
| [05:14:43] | wagnerrp: | cable may allow more efficient use of tuners |
| [05:16:30] | Oleg_: | well, hdhome run is not such a big deal if its recordings are inferior to the ones made by an over the air antenna |
| [05:16:55] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [05:17:09] | [R]: | antenii dont record... |
| [05:17:18] | Oleg_: | yes, antenna don't record |
| [05:17:34] | wagnerrp: | you can plug an hdhomerun into an antenna and record just fine |
| [05:17:43] | Oleg_: | oh? |
| [05:18:06] | wagnerrp: | its a digital tuner, just like every other digital tuner |
| [05:18:11] | Oleg_: | I thought hd homerun is used only for digital cable |
| [05:18:24] | wagnerrp: | no, the hdhomerun prime is for digital cable |
| [05:18:52] | wagnerrp: | the normal hdhomerun is just a standard ATSC/ClearQAM tuner |
| [05:19:58] | Oleg_: | but either one of those tuners work fine on BSD/Linux because they use ethernet networking? |
| [05:20:37] | wagnerrp: | correct, because there is no need for drivers beyond standard networking support |
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| [05:22:05] | Oleg_: | since ethernet networking is so universal and recognized by every OS, why are most tv tuners USB or PCI/PCIe-based? |
| [05:22:28] | wagnerrp: | because theyre just add on cards |
| [05:22:39] | wagnerrp: | where as the HDHR is effectively a small computer system |
| [05:22:55] | wagnerrp: | more hardware and more programming means more development and production cost |
| [05:23:00] | Oleg_: | interesting. hd homerun seems inexpensive |
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| [05:23:20] | Oleg_: | according to this site, http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/atsc/ , it costs only $129 |
| [05:23:45] | wagnerrp: | yes, one of the more expensive devices per-tuner on the market |
| [05:24:57] | Oleg_: | you are saying it's more expensive than many other types of tuners? well, $129 doesn't really seem like an expensive price |
| [05:25:55] | [R]: | you can get a decent pci tuner for like $50 or so |
| [05:25:56] | wagnerrp: | $65/tuner? my HVR-1250 was only $50, some cheaper brands are $40 or less, USB tuners are sometimes $20-$25 |
| [05:27:20] | Oleg_: | what will I gain if I buy hdhomerun for over the air hd broadcasts if I already have a USB tuner that works fine with webcamd? |
| [05:27:32] | wagnerrp: | reliability |
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| [05:29:46] | Oleg_: | what makes USB tuners less reliable? they are less sensitive as far as catching tv signals goes or they break more easily? |
| [05:29:58] | wagnerrp: | they are USB |
| [05:30:06] | Oleg_: | so what? |
| [05:31:05] | wagnerrp: | sounds like someone who hasnt yet been burned by USB's kernel panics |
| [05:31:23] | wagnerrp: | put simply, USB is a terrible interconnect |
| [05:31:34] | wagnerrp: | it is designed for low bandwidth accessories |
| [05:31:53] | Oleg_: | what about pci/pci/e connections? |
| [05:31:53] | wagnerrp: | not high bandwidth devices like hard drives or tunes |
| [05:32:09] | wagnerrp: | those are perfectly fine, as they are designed for high performance |
| [05:32:27] | wagnerrp: | usb was not, and merely had it shoehorned in |
| [05:32:42] | Oleg_: | well, usb 3.0 is not high performance? |
| [05:33:03] | wagnerrp: | USB 3.0 is a completely different animal from USB 1.1/2.0 |
| [05:33:05] | Oleg_: | I mean, usb 3.0 wasn't designed for high performance? |
| [05:33:08] | Oleg_: | ok |
| [05:33:19] | wagnerrp: | the older versions were software driven |
| [05:33:28] | wagnerrp: | all polling and communications ran through CPU interrupts |
| [05:33:59] | wagnerrp: | well designed interconnects like PCI[e], firewire, or USB 3 have dedicated hardware for such purposes |
| [05:34:07] | Oleg_: | and what would make an ethernet-connected tuner more reliable than a pci/e-connected tuner? |
| [05:34:29] | wagnerrp: | all of that hardware is provided on the tuner, as the tuner itself is a computer system |
| [05:35:28] | Oleg_: | it sounds so sexy; I really hope I'll be able to buy an hdhomerun tuner soon |
| [05:35:35] | ** wagnerrp has a distaste for things USB ** | |
| [05:36:00] | [R]: | i came up with a way to have 8 serial ports with 1 usb port on this hardware i helped design at work |
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| [05:43:13] | k-man: | so in .24 i used to fetch the themes from git – but thats not used for .25 any more is it? you just use the internal downloader to get themes? |
| [05:43:54] | Oleg_: | on this page, http://www.amazon.com/SiliconDust-HDHomeRun-H . . . y=addOneStar someone claims that windows 7 won't recognize this tuner. How is it possible if the tuner is connected through ethernet network? |
| [05:44:00] | wagnerrp: | in 0.24, you used to fetch the themes from the internal downloader |
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| [05:44:28] | [R]: | Oleg_: the os doestn "recognize" random network devices... software does |
| [05:44:39] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: win7 can use that tuner just fine, perhaps windows media center cant use it for unknown reasons |
| [05:44:44] | k-man: | wagnerrp, really? i never tried that that I recall? oh well |
| [05:45:14] | wagnerrp: | k-man: you had to hit 'm' and tell it to list the available themes manually |
| [05:45:21] | wagnerrp: | in 0.25, that is now the default behavior |
| [05:45:44] | k-man: | wagnerrp, ok thanks |
| [05:45:56] | [R]: | i wanted to update to 0.25 last weekend, but couldn't and now this weekend i have too many recordings |
| [05:45:57] | [R]: | blah |
| [05:49:17] | Oleg_: | one of the reviews says that there is a hdhomerun tuner that has cablecard for decoding encrypted signals |
| [05:49:39] | wagnerrp: | the hdhomerun prime |
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| [05:56:57] | Oleg_: | so, they would work fine a 100 mbit wired connection? |
| [05:57:55] | Oleg_: | if my lan is only 100 mbit, it has enough speed for hdhomerun tuners? |
| [05:57:58] | [R]: | ota is like 20mb/s |
| [05:58:16] | Oleg_: | you mean, 20 Mbit/sec? |
| [05:58:26] | [R]: | it depends |
| [05:58:35] | [R]: | but tahtsa bout it |
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| [06:04:26] | Oleg_: | here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun , it says that such a device has up to 6 tuners, which means that a 100 mbit connection will probably be too slow for recording multiple programs at the same time |
| [06:05:54] | wagnerrp: | correct, thats why it has two gigabit connections |
| [06:06:41] | [R]: | you mean its faster then 1.21 jiggabits? |
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| [06:08:04] | Oleg_: | but a 100 mbit connection would be sufficient if only one tuner is used for recording? |
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| [06:09:14] | wagnerrp: | that device is actually nothing more than two HDHomeRun Primes in a single box |
| [06:09:41] | wagnerrp: | two antenna inputs, two cablecard slots, two ethernet ports |
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| [06:15:23] | firl: | anyone have experience with myth web and freebsd by any chance? |
| [06:15:47] | [R]: | do you have an actual question? |
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| [06:16:36] | firl: | the main page of myth web loads somewhat ok, but whenever I try to navigate away from the default page I get a 404 not found, and I am trying to figure out where in the config is the mapping to have it rewrite properly |
| [06:16:53] | firl: | because the default apache that comes with it doesn't have a2ensite |
| [06:17:37] | [R]: | sounds like you didnt raed the mythweb documetnation |
| [06:17:44] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what 'a2ensite' is |
| [06:18:03] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you did not set up the rewrite rules properly |
| [06:18:24] | wagnerrp: | the rewrite rules are set up properly just by including the mythweb.conf in your apache config |
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| [06:18:55] | firl: | that's what I did, I will cleanse and try again with it, the only thing I changed were the db settings to get it to render initially |
| [06:19:44] | wagnerrp: | db settings being the access credentials in mythweb.conf? |
| [06:19:57] | firl: | yes |
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| [06:20:50] | dekarl: | sphery: whats wrong with putting more then 5 channels on a mux? DVB-S2 is up to ~60mbit/s if you take 6 mbit/s per H.264 encoded SD Channels you'll be getting 10 channels in a never seen quality :) |
| [06:21:23] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: some older cards would crap out when you tried it |
| [06:22:22] | [R]: | people watch SD channels? |
| [06:23:34] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: ahh, PID filter limits? anyway, older cards don't do DVB-[CST]*2* either :) |
| [06:24:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, something like that |
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| [06:24:41] | firl: | [R]: it's still giving the Not Found "The requested URL /mythweb.php/tv/list " whenever navigating away, still feels like something in the config is wrong ( possibly the apache config ) |
| [06:24:45] | wagnerrp: | -C2 exists? |
| [06:24:49] | dekarl: | [R], whats wrong with SD channels? We're not talking 70s NTSC stuff, but all digital stuff with sane compression/bandwidth :) |
| [06:24:55] | wagnerrp: | firl: well theres your problem |
| [06:25:00] | wagnerrp: | youre trying to access 'mythweb.php' |
| [06:25:03] | [R]: | dekarl: and crappy resolutions |
| [06:25:16] | dekarl: | its been tested in late 2010 in berlin (says google) |
| [06:26:12] | dekarl: | [r] now you are talking about the 352x288 sex-hotline channels? ^^ |
| [06:26:20] | firl: | I just clicked the link off of the default site, the mythweb.conf has the rewrite rules to include it |
| [06:26:42] | wagnerrp: | you should be accessing /mythweb/tv/list, not /mythweb.php/tv/list |
| [06:26:57] | dekarl: | I was thinking more in terms of full D1 |
| [06:27:16] | firl: | I copied the directory as the INSTALL doc said to the root of the www/data |
| [06:27:47] | firl: | doesn't seem to be super FreeBSD friendly lol, last week on ubuntu this step took only 5 minutes |
| [06:27:48] | dekarl: | but I have to agree, MPEG-2 3mbit/s SD channels look crap |
| [06:28:41] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, I just recalled that my router has gigabit ethernet connection, but my computer only has a 100 mbit ethernet card; so, if I get an hdhomerun device, will it interact only with the router or will it interact with the computer also? Both the comp and the router should have a gigabit connection? |
| [06:28:44] | wagnerrp: | ive been running mythweb on freebsd for ~5 years |
| [06:28:45] | Oleg_: | I mean |
| [06:29:11] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: do you have digital cable? |
| [06:29:14] | Oleg_: | no |
| [06:29:27] | wagnerrp: | then dont worry about it |
| [06:29:40] | wagnerrp: | the maximum you can achieve through the normal HDHR is 78Mbps |
| [06:29:52] | Oleg_: | ok |
| [06:30:27] | wagnerrp: | and in fact, thats only possible when using clear QAM channels |
| [06:30:38] | wagnerrp: | for broadcast, it will never do better than 39Mbps |
| [06:31:04] | Oleg_: | what if I record two programs at the same with an ota antenna? |
| [06:31:08] | Oleg_: | same time |
| [06:31:29] | FLeiXiuS`: | Anyone still getting a error opening jump program file on live tv |
| [06:31:32] | wagnerrp: | the normal HDHR has two tuners, cable of tuning two channels |
| [06:31:43] | wagnerrp: | one ATSC channel goes for 19.4Mbps |
| [06:31:55] | FLeiXiuS`: | I'm about to go back down to 0.24 this is kicking my arse. |
| [06:31:59] | Beirdo: | and branch pushed |
| [06:32:05] | [R]: | FLeiXiuS`: livetv is lame... |
| [06:32:24] | FLeiXiuS`: | [R], Especially when I have to record it – then watch it live. |
| [06:32:42] | [R]: | you watch commercials? |
| [06:32:42] | [R]: | wtf mate |
| [06:32:48] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, what do you mean? is it possible to record two broadcasts at the same time with such a device? |
| [06:32:56] | Beirdo: | still pondering having the log daemon quit when all logging clients are done logging |
| [06:32:59] | FLeiXiuS`: | [R], Sometimes ;-) |
| [06:33:25] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR has two tuners |
| [06:33:30] | wagnerrp: | one tuner can tune one channel |
| [06:33:35] | wagnerrp: | so the HDHR can tune two channels |
| [06:34:28] | Oleg_: | which means that if I decide to record two channels at the same time, approximately 40 Mbit/s of bandwidth will be used? |
| [06:34:44] | Oleg_: | if those are broadcasts |
| [06:34:49] | Beirdo: | two multiplexes more precisely |
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| [06:40:41] | Oleg_: | ok then. good night :) |
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| [06:56:18] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: so now all logging is routed through an external server? |
| [06:58:22] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [06:58:27] | Beirdo: | except to the console |
| [06:58:36] | wagnerrp: | what does that mean for database logging? |
| [06:58:52] | Beirdo: | it's routed from the central server too |
| [06:59:07] | Beirdo: | and... you'll love this :) |
| [06:59:08] | wagnerrp: | specifically when the database gets in embedded |
| [06:59:18] | wagnerrp: | logging is synchronous? |
| [06:59:26] | Beirdo: | there are python bindings for zeromq |
| [06:59:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, reading up on it |
| [06:59:42] | Beirdo: | no, logging is not, nor ever will be, sync :) |
| [06:59:48] | Beirdo: | with this, there is no need |
| [07:00:16] | Beirdo: | unless you crash it in the very very small time that it sits in the local queue, it will get to the central logging server |
| [07:00:40] | Beirdo: | we can make the CONSOLE sync though, for the really paranoid debugging sessions :) |
| [07:00:48] | Beirdo: | that comes soon |
| [07:01:08] | wagnerrp: | doesnt need to be in the console, just needs to show up somewhere |
| [07:01:16] | Beirdo: | basically, the structure of the log message I'm sending over zeromq is JSON |
| [07:01:33] | Beirdo: | which is easily serializable in just about any language |
| [07:01:49] | Beirdo: | I'll get documentation, etc soon. |
| [07:02:09] | Beirdo: | and I hope to put in a SEGV handler as well |
| [07:02:13] | Beirdo: | and ALRM |
| [07:02:27] | Beirdo: | to flush what's left in the logging queue before shutting down |
| [07:02:54] | Beirdo: | can't do squat for kill -9 though, it's not interruptable |
| [07:02:59] | Beirdo: | errr maskable |
| [07:03:04] | Beirdo: | stupid brain |
| [07:03:48] | Beirdo: | as for the db logging once we are embedded, we'll see how we do it for everything else in every app that needs db access |
| [07:04:02] | Beirdo: | that has always been the #1 reason not to embed |
| [07:04:02] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 ** | |
| [07:04:09] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:04:12] | Beirdo: | !trout MythLogBot |
| [07:04:12] | ** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [07:04:22] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:04:25] | wagnerrp: | i mean... what do you do when the master backend dies and takes out the database? |
| [07:04:26] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [07:04:40] | Beirdo: | we shoot the person who embedded it |
| [07:05:05] | Beirdo: | but we'll figure out something |
| [07:05:09] | wagnerrp: | plus youre logging out to the daemon, and back into the database |
| [07:05:33] | Beirdo: | yes, and? |
| [07:05:53] | wagnerrp: | nothing, thats it |
| [07:06:00] | Beirdo: | what do you thing every mythpreviewgen run does now? :) |
| [07:06:16] | wagnerrp: | i mean the embedded server, would be logging out to the log daemon, and back into the embedded server |
| [07:06:31] | Beirdo: | this takes the complexity of db logging out of every client, making them faster too :) |
| [07:06:34] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:06:44] | Beirdo: | we'll figure it out when we get there. |
| [07:07:19] | Beirdo: | I'm not holding my breath on embedding quite yet. That's gonna be a big project, and I don't think we are set for it mentally yet. |
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| [07:08:15] | Beirdo: | definitely a valid issue to deal with when working on that though |
| [07:09:13] | Beirdo: | making mythbackend into mysqld with a bunch of mythtv stuff bolted on really doesn't sound all that wise at first glance :) |
| [07:09:47] | Beirdo: | having it in a separate daemon has a lot of advantages for stability... but then why embed at all? |
| [07:10:12] | wagnerrp: | well it wouldnt be mythbackend |
| [07:10:25] | wagnerrp: | just the basic scheduler and content listing services |
| [07:10:28] | Beirdo: | so.. mythsqld? |
| [07:10:39] | Beirdo: | just add a couple letters? :) |
| [07:11:12] | wagnerrp: | meaning its going to be very much stripped down, and easier to keep stable |
| [07:11:23] | Beirdo: | I guess. |
| [07:11:28] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [07:11:42] | Beirdo: | we'll have to see as we do it, I guess |
| [07:12:11] | Beirdo: | I just think that we haven't completely done our homework yet on figuring out if it's even worth the effort |
| [07:12:29] | justinh: | why even do logging in the database? |
| [07:13:01] | justinh: | if you need a frontend to access the backend log for status or whatever, just add the log dir as a SG |
| [07:13:33] | Beirdo: | we have it logging to the db for online viewing |
| [07:14:19] | justinh: | meh, I'd let users sort that out :-) |
| [07:15:13] | Beirdo: | users can barely figure out how to turn the computer on some days |
| [07:15:23] | Beirdo: | I'm not leaving crap for the users to figure out :) |
| [07:15:42] | justinh: | I don't think I've ever even used the online log viewing stuff in anger |
| [07:15:54] | justinh: | certainly not with the default amount it keeps |
| [07:16:12] | Beirdo: | we can document it up the ying-yang, and hand-hold them all day and they still can't figure out how to do things sometimes :) |
| [07:16:36] | justinh: | hence the big reason for going embedded in the 1st place I guess |
| [07:16:41] | Beirdo: | and then other days, it's not a problem at all :) |
| [07:16:53] | FLeiXiuS`: | I really need to start transcoding. |
| [07:16:54] | Beirdo: | yeah, taht's one of the leading reasons to embed the db |
| [07:17:11] | wagnerrp: | FLeiXiuS`: need support on some device? |
| [07:17:19] | justinh: | that said it's been a long time since I saw anyone in here with a "cannot connect to database" problem |
| [07:17:49] | Beirdo: | however, until we add a lot more support in the api and protocols to remove db access from the various apps... |
| [07:18:00] | wagnerrp: | justinh: no, but there are plenty of people with "my database says it is corrupt and that i need to repair it, what is wrong" |
| [07:18:00] | FLeiXiuS`: | wagnerrp, Haven't really tried to enable it yet. One of these days I'll get around to it. Just realized Im sitting over 500GB of recordings. |
| [07:18:01] | Beirdo: | it will just be a glorified renamed mysqld in a way |
| [07:18:07] | justinh: | yeah it's a ****ton of work |
| [07:18:18] | wagnerrp: | FLeiXiuS`: whats wrong with that? |
| [07:18:41] | FLeiXiuS`: | wagnerrp, Nothing really...I would just like to make them more portable. |
| [07:18:42] | justinh: | FLeiXiuS`: so watch some & get em deleted |
| [07:18:49] | Beirdo: | the logging interface into the db could well be removed later. or we could use an RPC-like setup |
| [07:18:52] | justinh: | you can't keep everything forever (TM) |
| [07:18:58] | FLeiXiuS`: | justinh, ha space isnt really the issue ;-) |
| [07:19:13] | justinh: | you can *try* but you'll eventually just have a house full of HDD racks |
| [07:19:30] | Beirdo: | welp... bed |
| [07:19:54] | ** justinh goes back to rolling his own *buntu cd ** | |
| [07:19:55] | FLeiXiuS`: | justinh, meh I stil have 16 open hd trays. I'll try and see what I can do. |
| [07:19:57] | wagnerrp: | ditto, i need to finish up this smolt stuff tomorrow and get it to ja ms for review |
| [07:20:38] | FLeiXiuS`: | Myth is on my zfs pool limited to 500gb. So im not really worried. Just need to cut down the file size to make it easier to transport the recordings / use Orb to stream them,. |
| [07:20:48] | justinh: | FLeiXiuS`: here in the UK we can free up quite a bit of space just by getting rid of all the cruft mythtv records alongside the audio & video stream |
| [07:21:04] | FLeiXiuS`: | justinh, <3 commercials. |
| [07:21:09] | justinh: | audio description, subtitles, mheg... |
| [07:21:47] | justinh: | reminds me, I was always going to go digging into the dvb recorder & add more PID filtering |
| [07:22:17] | justinh: | been a while since I even looked at that code, maybe it already does more |
| [07:23:00] | justinh: | though filtering AD streams runs the risk of not recording any audio at all |
| [07:23:28] | justinh: | not if it's done right, like check if it's mono first ;-) |
| [07:23:45] | wagnerrp: | clearly we need to record it, and convert it to text in post processing, so we can run it back through a voice generator during playback |
| [07:24:08] | wagnerrp: | you know, like everyone wants us to do with subtitles? |
| [07:24:24] | justinh: | I had a look at converting dvb subtitles (bitmaps) to text for a side project (big money) |
| [07:25:27] | wagnerrp: | for commercial uses, OCRing the bitmaps to make a searchable database is one thing |
| [07:25:40] | justinh: | somebody I know has a moonlight company aside from his day job & is looking to market a DVB logger. apparently lots of companies want that |
| [07:25:52] | wagnerrp: | but in the context of mythtv, people just want it because thats how all the subtitles come on their (downloaded) content |
| [07:26:44] | justinh: | yeah. But it could be a big plus for accessibility |
| [07:27:30] | justinh: | though that argument isn't really valid for mythtv, considering how sighted you need to be to use it in the first place ;-) |
| [07:27:30] | wagnerrp: | accessibility accounts for such a small amount of the market, if that were the reason, there would not be nearly the number of calls for such behavior |
| [07:27:55] | wagnerrp: | sage actually built a unit for that purpose |
| [07:28:08] | wagnerrp: | although it just recorded the text VBI captions |
| [07:28:15] | wagnerrp: | no OCRing |
| [07:28:44] | FLeiXiuS`: | wagnerrp, Are you on 0.25 with your hdhr prime? |
| [07:28:49] | justinh: | I dunno why they're bitmaps in the 1st place |
| [07:28:56] | wagnerrp: | i dont have a prime |
| [07:28:56] | FLeiXiuS`: | If you have the prime that is. |
| [07:29:00] | FLeiXiuS`: | ^ |
| [07:29:25] | wagnerrp: | justinh: so youre not caught on a TV with poor text rendering |
| [07:29:46] | justinh: | wagnerrp: they have specs for that kind of stuff. they did with Teletext |
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| [07:29:50] | wagnerrp: | although why they dont send the text along side the bitmaps... |
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| [07:30:06] | justinh: | text would take up less space |
| [07:30:12] | wagnerrp: | marginally |
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| [07:30:42] | wagnerrp: | how much space do you actually think those few thousands of low quality, low resolution images take compared to the video |
| [07:30:58] | wagnerrp: | i expect the container format causes more overhead than the bitmapped subs |
| [07:32:32] | justinh: | not much space, but plain text would be way less I think |
| [07:33:04] | wagnerrp: | way less, sure... but are the bitmaps taking enough to be of any concern in the first place |
| [07:33:22] | wagnerrp: | i.e. whats the point of optimizing the thing that takes <1% of the bandwidth |
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| [08:11:39] | Oleg_: | I can't sleep... I need hot water... |
| [08:12:50] | FLeiXiuS`: | <-- reprogramming all of my recording schedules |
| [08:12:51] | FLeiXiuS`: | soo |
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| [08:14:30] | Oleg_: | weird that I keep forgetting that a dvr is a dvr. I mean, I always get a little anxious when I think about the possibility of missing a program on live tv |
| [08:15:25] | Oleg_: | I don't know why human beings are so odd |
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| [08:15:49] | Oleg_: | why do they get anxious even when there is no logical reason to have any anxiety? |
| [08:20:47] | Oleg_: | reading this: http://www.aerospaceguide.net/planet/planetearth.html |
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| [08:21:11] | justinh: | you humans are weak :P |
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| [08:25:45] | firl: | wellp got the mythweb working with lighttpd instead of apache since the rewrite rules weren't working |
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| [10:55:18] | justinh: | muhahaha. got a script ripping dvb subs |
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| [11:06:54] | justinh: | takes about 8 minutes to do 1 hour 50 of a recording |
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| [11:07:40] | uh992k: | good morning :) |
| [11:07:45] | uh992k: | I've a problem ... :( |
| [11:08:07] | uh992k: | I owned an D945GCLF2 board which had RS232 ... I had a home-brew IR receiver on it and used lirc |
| [11:08:28] | uh992k: | Now, I switched to an AMD E450 Fusion board which hasn't got RS232 anymore |
| [11:08:31] | dekarl-too: | justinh: you don't have the teletext captions in parallel to the dvbsubs? An issue I'm seeing is that you never know which page the captions are on... see #10649, sadly the stations don't signal the captions properly :( but at only ~10% of captions programming its a bit moot anyway |
| [11:08:31] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10649 ** | |
| [11:09:02] | uh992k: | my question would be: is there a cheap usb ir receiver? Or can I use a usb to rs232 bridge? |
| [11:10:48] | dekarl-too: | uh992k: I have no idea, but maybe someone over at #lirc has an idea? |
| [11:10:51] | justinh: | dekarl-too: nope |
| [11:11:47] | justinh: | hahaha after extracting the dvb subs to png files, I just ran for i in *.png; do; gocr $i; done – and it whizzes through. so what I need now is something to output the bitmap directly from a stream in real time |
| [11:13:13] | dekarl-too: | justinh: no idea if these building blocks are helpful, but they are related to OCRing subs and rerendering them, etc http://dvbtoolswindows.sourceforge.net/ |
| [11:13:51] | justinh: | hmph. dvbtoolswindows. |
| [11:15:34] | justinh: | I can't see any links to actual stuff there dekarl-too |
| [11:16:30] | dekarl-too: | justinh: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dvbtoolswindows/ has links to source code (looks like c# stuff) and some binaries |
| [11:17:54] | justinh: | ahh thanks |
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| [11:40:27] | uh992k: | Ah, I found a problem to my IR receiver problem ... There is an home-brewed AVR-based usb ir-receiver which is supported by lirc |
| [11:40:38] | uh992k: | they sell them for <10EUR on ebay |
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| [11:45:36] | k-man: | uh992k, do you have a url for that? |
| [11:45:44] | k-man: | is it similar to the usb toy? |
| [11:45:50] | k-man: | i mean irtoy |
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| [11:50:44] | uh992k: | it's identical to the igor usb receiver |
| [11:50:48] | uh992k: | lirc has a plugin for that |
| [11:51:10] | uh992k: | http://www.alldiy.info/usb.html |
| [11:51:57] | uh992k: | k-man: original page is this: http://www.cesko.host.sk/IgorPlugUSB/IgorPlug . . . R%29_eng.htm |
| [11:54:18] | k-man: | thanks uh992k |
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| [12:06:58] | k-man: | some of my recordings in the watch recordings screen are in whiter text than the rest |
| [12:07:01] | k-man: | what does that mean? |
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| [12:16:21] | justinh: | k-man: it means whoever made the theme you made decided to make a certain status (statetype) lighter :-P |
| [12:16:43] | justinh: | s/you made/ you use/ |
| [12:17:48] | k-man: | justinh, how do i tell what status that is though? :) |
| [12:17:54] | justinh: | it's likely that the recordings have just been marked 'in use'. I use a pink(!) rectangle blob to indicate inuse. I don't even know what the inuse state actually means |
| [12:17:58] | k-man: | its the mythcenter theme |
| [12:18:07] | k-man: | in case you happen to know |
| [12:18:09] | dekarl-too: | btw, did anybody else notice issue with painting the attributes (16:9 / HD / surround / etc) of recordings? while browsing they seem to randomly come and go |
| [12:18:48] | dekarl-too: | justinh: I think in-use means you cant delete it atm |
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| [12:19:28] | k-man: | justinh, how's your theme coming along? |
| [12:19:39] | justinh: | what theme? what free time? |
| [12:20:05] | k-man: | justinh, i know the feeling |
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| [12:21:04] | justinh: | if it's a choice between theming or spending time with my baby daughter, the girl always wins ;-) |
| [12:21:40] | justinh: | k-man: I can't find any reference to inuse for a textarea in mythcenter |
| [12:22:04] | k-man: | justinh, oh – thanks |
| [12:22:05] | justinh: | so it's not that. |
| [12:22:13] | k-man: | justinh, i wasn;t expecting you to actually look for it |
| [12:22:22] | justinh: | this is why I don't use coloured text to indicate states of anything |
| [12:22:28] | justinh: | and why NOBODY should IMHO |
| [12:22:34] | k-man: | justinh, good idea |
| [12:23:19] | justinh: | in my theme, recordings being recorded are marked by a small red rectangle. playlisted recordings by a yellow one |
| [12:23:31] | justinh: | inuse, by a pink rect that the other side of the area |
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| [12:23:41] | k-man: | this is strange, if i launch mythtv from spotlight (in OSX) it cant see the database |
| [12:23:55] | justinh: | processing is another colour but I can't remember which |
| [12:24:17] | k-man: | keeps asking me for database login details, but if i launch it from a terminal using open /Applications/Mythfrontend its fine |
| [12:24:19] | justinh: | and in areas where icons are used I've made space to explain the icons |
| [12:24:59] | justinh: | one day I'll move those to a help popup, but not everything has one of those yet |
| [12:25:15] | k-man: | cool |
| [12:25:26] | k-man: | you should seek colaborators |
| [12:25:40] | k-man: | some of those young lakeys who have nothing better to do yet |
| [12:26:07] | justinh: | heh. I've seen some shots of new themes from newbies & I just shudder |
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| [12:30:30] | justinh: | k-man: http://imagebin.org/209967 |
| [12:31:17] | justinh: | ugh. just noticed '$title on Today' isn't too good a way to put things |
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| [12:36:21] | k-man: | looks nice |
| [12:36:59] | k-man: | better if its on today just put the time, but if its tomorrow then state the date maybe? |
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| [12:39:46] | k-man: | does mythweb have some specific requirements for php version? |
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| [12:40:48] | k-man: | oh boo, my favourite paste bin site is down due to being DDoSed and their host pulling the plug |
| [12:41:39] | justinh: | k-man: don't really get a choice with that date type |
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| [13:07:55] | justinh: | that's better. Made it %TITLE% : shortstarttimedate on %CHANNEL% |
| [13:08:03] | justinh: | makes more sense now |
| [13:08:36] | justinh: | k-man: anyhow, in terms of work to do on my theme it's almost ready for primetime |
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| [13:15:03] | k-man: | justinh, ah thats good to know |
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| [18:36:37] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: second thought, seems were going to hit it today |
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| [19:30:36] | Beirdo: | anyone happen to have a DVD mounted in their Linux box right now? |
| [19:31:33] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: does "source count 0" on 25% of the systems indicate that 1/4 of the installations didnt get their recorders setup before running smolt for the first time? |
| [19:32:37] | wagnerrp: | seems that way |
| [19:44:10] | wagnerrp: | 995, i think we might hit it in an hour |
| [19:46:17] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: any suggestion on how to detection someone is actually using EIT, rather than simply has no grabbers defined and is calling mythfilldatabase with a file manually? |
| [19:46:33] | wagnerrp: | i think that EIT value is a bit inflate |
| [19:46:33] | wagnerrp: | d |
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| [19:47:39] | justinh: | wagnerrp: the useonairguide column in the channel table? |
| [19:47:51] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: hmm select count(*) from channel where useonairguide=true; divided by select count(*) from channel; might give a hint (add some voodoo to only look at sources that have passive or active EIT enabled) |
| [19:48:38] | dekarl: | But the eit isnt so bad over here with all the nice fixups and up to 4 weeks of data... |
| [19:48:54] | wagnerrp: | you can actually have EIT and XMLTV mixed on a single source, right? |
| [19:48:58] | wagnerrp: | just not a channel? |
| [19:49:01] | dekarl: | aye |
| [19:49:37] | dekarl: | sticking the values from the xmltv file header into the video source might be an idea, but it won't work with tv_grab_combiner, etc. |
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| [19:51:31] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: yeah, i know, and while the country specified is wildly inaccurate, the timezone is not |
| [19:51:40] | wagnerrp: | and timezone puts about 400 users in north america |
| [19:51:47] | wagnerrp: | nearly all of which should be using schedules direct |
| [19:52:32] | wagnerrp: | now there are some 250 users with no video source at all |
| [19:52:56] | wagnerrp: | 233 anyway |
| [19:55:41] | dekarl: | 400 users in NA, 1/4 hasnt set the sources up >= 300 schedules direct expected, actual 268, seems fine |
| [19:56:29] | wagnerrp: | perhaps |
| [19:56:54] | jams: | btw 1000 has already been exceeded..your next bet should be by how much |
| [19:57:06] | jams: | static pages will be updated at 3:10pm CDT |
| [19:57:19] | wagnerrp: | ah, i didnt realize they were pre-generated |
| [19:57:23] | jams: | or in general 10 minutes |
| [19:57:37] | wagnerrp: | although "/static/stats/" should have hinted at that... |
| [19:57:37] | jams: | yes, the stats pages are |
| [19:57:43] | jams: | :) |
| [19:57:59] | jams: | given enough hosts that page can take a really long time |
| [19:58:19] | jams: | smolts.org at one point took a couple hours to generate the static pages. |
| [19:58:44] | wagnerrp: | i should do a collection of information to guess a "role" |
| [19:59:01] | wagnerrp: | the old setup used to have one statically defined in some config file didnt it? |
| [19:59:03] | jams: | our static pages generate every every hour at 10 minutes past the hour |
| [19:59:08] | jams: | wagnerrp- yes |
| [19:59:22] | jams: | it used a number to describe to define the role |
| [19:59:40] | jams: | 1-standalone 2= MBE and so forth |
| [19:59:47] | wagnerrp: | perhaps a separate system and cluster role? |
| [19:59:57] | jams: | but that change..I have no ties to that at all |
| [20:00:02] | wagnerrp: | dedicated frontend/backend, shared, ... |
| [20:00:24] | wagnerrp: | primarily livetv, primarily recorded tv, primarily tv archive, primarily video library, ... |
| [20:00:53] | jams: | o interesting |
| [20:01:10] | jams: | not just pre-determined function but usage |
| [20:01:43] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [20:01:54] | wagnerrp: | something computed client side, so the server doesnt have to |
| [20:02:01] | wagnerrp: | and to allow the user to specify it in the settings |
| [20:03:13] | jams: | thats a very different take on the idea. I like it |
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| [20:17:36] | dekarl1: | wagnerrp: you want to collect the generator-info-name in mfdb for /bin/true and eitonly |
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| [20:18:23] | wizbit: | i just did a icon scan, and collected all the icons required |
| [20:18:38] | wizbit: | however, there are still some icons missing, even after doing a icon download from mythtv-setup |
| [20:18:47] | wizbit: | how can i correct the problem? |
| [20:19:01] | wizbit: | can it be done from mythweb? |
| [20:19:47] | wizbit: | (professional educated answers only please) |
| [20:20:03] | dekarl: | wizbit: did you perform the "download missing icons" where it lets you pick one by one? |
| [20:20:15] | wizbit: | yep |
| [20:20:19] | wizbit: | that took ages |
| [20:20:23] | wizbit: | maybe i didnt do it properly |
| [20:20:28] | wizbit: | shall i redo it? |
| [20:20:30] | dekarl: | sounds like the correct function :) |
| [20:20:35] | wizbit: | ok thanks |
| [20:21:04] | dekarl: | redoing it will only let you choose again for the ones that you skipped |
| [20:21:27] | wizbit: | strange |
| [20:21:31] | wizbit: | BBC1 icon exists |
| [20:21:40] | wizbit: | but on mythweb, it doesnt show |
| [20:21:42] | dekarl: | sounds like the services server doesnt know icons for all of your channels |
| [20:22:01] | dekarl: | ohh, so the icons are there in mythtv-setup but not in mythweb? thats something different then |
| [20:22:07] | wizbit: | yep |
| [20:22:17] | wizbit: | the frontends show no icons at all |
| [20:22:40] | wizbit: | maybe i need to delete the old icons |
| [20:22:45] | wizbit: | perms issue |
| [20:23:17] | wizbit: | /home/mythtv/.mythtv/channels <-- remove these manually from all frontends? |
| [20:23:49] | dekarl: | is that remote frontends? |
| [20:23:53] | wizbit: | yep |
| [20:23:56] | UrB: | channel icon downloading would benefit hugely from non-blocking download – now you have to wait it to finish before selecting the icon |
| [20:24:04] | UrB: | irritating |
| [20:24:18] | wizbit: | ok, ive deleted all icons from both frontends |
| [20:24:23] | wizbit: | now lets remove old icons from mythweb |
| [20:24:32] | dekarl: | and the backends properly filled channels directory is mounted to all frontends in the same place? |
| [20:25:00] | wizbit: | /var/www/private/mythweb/data/tv_icons <--- remove these from mythweb |
| [20:25:04] | dekarl: | (you either have to mount a shared directory or fix the storage group) |
| [20:25:30] | dekarl: | wizbit: mythweb is yet another beast to tackle :) |
| [20:26:12] | wizbit: | when i do a channel scan on mythtv-setup, where do the icons get downloaded to? |
| [20:26:22] | wizbit: | mythweb, frontends? |
| [20:26:44] | dekarl: | are you on mythbuntu? |
| [20:26:45] | wizbit: | or some place in /usr/share/mythtv ? |
| [20:26:49] | wizbit: | nope, slackware |
| [20:26:57] | wizbit: | using git mythtv |
| [20:27:11] | dekarl: | the download goes to $MYTHCONFDIR/channels, default is ~/.mythtv/channels |
| [20:27:34] | wizbit: | so that will be on the backend |
| [20:28:01] | dekarl: | aye |
| [20:28:15] | wizbit: | /root/.mythtv/channels <--- found them |
| [20:28:19] | wizbit: | root, naughty.. |
| [20:28:24] | dekarl: | the old way is to simply mount that directory to all frontends in the exact same spot |
| [20:28:34] | wizbit: | whats the new way? |
| [20:28:47] | wizbit: | i dont even know what a storage group is |
| [20:29:07] | wizbit: | is it worth the effort? |
| [20:29:12] | dekarl: | the new way (new as in works soonish) is to store it in the same spot, but access it not as local file but let the mythtvbackend stream it over the network |
| [20:29:25] | dekarl: | not really worth it atm |
| [20:29:43] | wizbit: | shall i create a icon storage group? |
| [20:30:00] | wizbit: | i might as well do it manually for now |
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| [20:30:08] | dekarl: | its automatically created pointing to the right directory in the backend (you don't see it, its embedded) |
| [20:30:09] | wizbit: | i doubt i will do this for a long time |
| [20:30:16] | wizbit: | aye ok |
| [20:30:39] | dekarl: | so the simple solution would be to just mount it via NFS or similar |
| [20:31:03] | dekarl: | and wrt mythweb, actually I'm not aware of any setup issues at the moment |
| [20:31:25] | dekarl: | I assume that mythweb is running on the master backend |
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| [20:33:25] | wizbit: | perfect :D |
| [20:35:42] | dekarl: | it worked? cool |
| [20:39:02] | wizbit: | mythweb worked |
| [20:39:08] | wizbit: | but the frontends still show no icons |
| [20:39:13] | wizbit: | i wonder what went wrong |
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| [20:39:46] | wizbit: | its my faul |
| [20:39:47] | wizbit: | t |
| [20:41:45] | sdkovacs: | Hello, I'm currently running .24.2 on a P4 backend with a HDHR (4 virtual tuners). Should I anticipate any performance problems after upgrading to 0.25? |
| [20:41:56] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [20:42:44] | sdkovacs: | excellent <in Mr. Burns voice>. Thanks and have a great weekend |
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| [20:43:21] | Beirdo: | 5554 messageb 20 0 16.5g 9.8g 796 S 0 62.2 20:45.18 dbus-daemon |
| [20:43:35] | Beirdo: | WTF is dbus-daemon doing with so much memory?! |
| [20:44:01] | Beirdo: | 6020 haldaemo 20 0 6432m 3.5g 1432 S 0 22.1 8:22.73 hald |
| [20:44:04] | Beirdo: | and hald. |
| [20:44:35] | Beirdo: | I seriously wonder about some of these boxes |
| [20:45:01] | wagnerrp: | 10GB actively used by dbus? |
| [20:45:06] | wagnerrp: | where are you seeing this? |
| [20:45:12] | wizbit: | strange |
| [20:45:17] | Beirdo: | on a backup server in our fleet |
| [20:45:21] | wizbit: | the frontends are not picking up the icons |
| [20:45:36] | Beirdo: | all fixed by /etc/init.d/dbus restart |
| [20:45:38] | wizbit: | mythfilldatabase! |
| [20:45:53] | Beirdo: | put it 8G into swap |
| [20:46:52] | Beirdo: | hahaha, restarting dbus... bounces NetworkMangler |
| [20:46:57] | Beirdo: | I so hate Ubuntu |
| [20:47:53] | wizbit: | still no icons :( |
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| [20:50:42] | wizbit: | mythweb shows all icons, so i copied tv_icons, renamed it to channels and placed in /home/mythtv/.mythtv |
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| [20:52:06] | ** wizbit wonders if hes being a idiot ** | |
| [20:56:40] | wizbit: | i dont understand :( |
| [20:57:08] | wizbit: | mythweb icons, frontend using same icons, but no icons shown |
| [20:57:17] | wizbit: | chmod 777 |
| [20:57:32] | wizbit: | tried mythfilldatabase, restarting backend |
| [20:58:18] | wizbit: | check logs! |
| [20:58:43] | wizbit: | 2012-04–27 21:56:33.579 MythUIHelper, Error: LoadScaleImage(/root/.mythtv/channels/channel4_uk.jpg)Unable to find image file |
| [20:58:46] | wizbit: | ohhhh |
| [20:59:00] | wizbit: | i thought my frontend was using the mythtv user |
| [20:59:28] | wizbit: | mythtv 12944 4.7 4.9 647780 101700 tty7 Sl 21:55 0:09 mythfrontend -l /var/log/mythfrontend.log |
| [20:59:31] | wizbit: | it is |
| [20:59:35] | wizbit: | so why is it trying to look in root? |
| [21:00:07] | wagnerrp: | because you are running as root |
| [21:00:24] | wagnerrp: | you changed user, but did not properly update the environment to match |
| [21:00:35] | wizbit: | im restarting the box |
| [21:00:43] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [21:02:07] | wizbit: | its amazing how fast one can solve problems if one reads logs, i always forget |
| [21:02:18] | ** wizbit writes not to himself ** | |
| [21:02:21] | wizbit: | *note |
| [21:03:01] | wizbit: | ive restarted the frontend and still no icons |
| [21:03:06] | ** wizbit checks log ** | |
| [21:03:22] | wizbit: | 2012-04–27 22:02:54.573 MythUIHelper, Error: LoadScaleImage(/root/.mythtv/channels/channel4_plus1.jpg)Unable to find image file |
| [21:03:45] | wizbit: | mythfrontend is was executed with mythtv user |
| [21:04:21] | wizbit: | mythtv 2120 6.0 5.2 652188 106528 tty7 Sl 22:02 0:06 mythfrontend -l /var/log/mythfrontend.log |
| [21:04:33] | wizbit: | so why is it suddenly trying to find stuff in /root/.mythtv |
| [21:04:46] | ** wizbit is confused ** | |
| [21:04:56] | wagnerrp: | because that is its home directory |
| [21:05:08] | wizbit: | the home directory is /home/mythtv/ |
| [21:05:24] | wagnerrp: | are you sure? |
| [21:05:40] | wizbit: | mythtv:x:1000:100:,,,:/home/mythtv:/bin/bash |
| [21:05:48] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt mean anything |
| [21:06:13] | wizbit: | i never had this problem before |
| [21:06:22] | wagnerrp: | as i explained, if whatever started mythfrontend started as root, got root's environment, change user to 'mythtv', and then ran mythfrontend |
| [21:06:33] | wagnerrp: | it could potentially still be using root's environment |
| [21:06:38] | wagnerrp: | which would specify root's home |
| [21:07:28] | wizbit: | .xinitrc |
| [21:07:29] | wizbit: | exec mythfrontend -l /var/log/mythfrontend.log |
| [21:08:11] | wizbit: | c7:12345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin=mythtv tty7 |
| [21:09:46] | wizbit: | i have a feeling |
| [21:10:27] | wizbit: | after i scanned channel icons in mythtv-setup, on the backend, it saved the icons to /root/.mythtv/channels |
| [21:10:52] | wizbit: | what is correct, but for some reason, mythtv has given that same path to all the frontends for the channel icon location |
| [21:11:31] | wizbit: | i need to make sure my backend doesnt execute mythtv as root |
| [21:11:41] | wizbit: | now it makes sense |
| [21:11:44] | wizbit: | <--- idiot |
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| [21:28:44] | wizbit: | icons are back :D |
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| [21:43:33] | dekarl: | wizbit: wagnerrp: mythtv-setup was run as root, I think thats why the icons are in root's home |
| [21:44:04] | wagnerrp: | were these backend or frontend logs trying to access those icons? |
| [21:44:26] | wagnerrp: | backend would be a problem, but frontend should know to try to pull them from the backend if it cannot access them locally |
| [21:44:33] | wagnerrp: | unless this is back to that misnamed storage group thing |
| [21:55:24] | wizbit: | all working now, note to self: never run mythtv-setup as root, and check logs if there are problems |
| [21:56:03] | wagnerrp: | jams: i dont recall anything in smolt that would properly detect hyperthreading as one core, is that correct? |
| [21:56:25] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: would you mind dumping a cpuinfo on your i7? |
| [22:00:33] | Beirdo: | sure, one sec |
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| [22:01:58] | Beirdo: | http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/i7-860-cpuinfo |
| [22:02:01] | wagnerrp: | !seen mzb |
| [22:02:01] | MythLogBot: | mzb is here and has been idle for 4 days 16 hours 47 minutes 38 seconds |
| [22:02:21] | wagnerrp: | mzb: dont you have one of the new bulldozers? |
| [22:02:28] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: thanks |
| [22:02:33] | Beirdo: | no problemo |
| [22:03:41] | wagnerrp: | so yeah, we just do a blind count on groups, so that would show up as 8 cores |
| [22:04:14] | Beirdo: | you could count core ids |
| [22:04:24] | Beirdo: | at least for mine (if you want it to say 4) |
| [22:04:44] | Beirdo: | well, physical_id + core_id |
| [22:04:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that would do it |
| [22:04:57] | Beirdo: | rather than processor |
| [22:05:11] | wagnerrp: | i was trying to figure out how i would tell two discrete processors apart |
| [22:05:26] | wagnerrp: | presuming "core id" resets per processor |
| [22:05:38] | Beirdo: | I would expect so |
| [22:05:53] | Beirdo: | thinking.... |
| [22:06:08] | Beirdo: | we have multi-proc boxes... let's see |
| [22:06:21] | wizbit: | how can i kill this process: |
| [22:06:24] | wizbit: | kill -9 does not work |
| [22:06:25] | wizbit: | mythtv 1772 16.5 0.0 0 0 ? Zsl 22:27 6:25 [mythbackend] <defunct> |
| [22:06:53] | Beirdo: | kill its parent |
| [22:07:27] | wizbit: | there is no parent |
| [22:07:45] | Beirdo: | physical id : 1 |
| [22:07:45] | Beirdo: | siblings : 8 |
| [22:07:45] | Beirdo: | core id : 0 |
| [22:08:06] | Beirdo: | yes, it resets the core id on the next physical |
| [22:08:20] | Beirdo: | dual Zeon L5630 box |
| [22:08:24] | Beirdo: | err Xeon |
| [22:08:32] | Beirdo: | wizbit: there is always a parent |
| [22:10:01] | wizbit: | |-mythbackend---{mythbackend} |
| [22:10:11] | wizbit: | im gonna reboot server |
| [22:10:20] | Beirdo: | just kill the parent |
| [22:10:32] | wizbit: | i cannot locate it |
| [22:10:41] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [22:10:51] | wizbit: | [root@box:]# ps aux | grep myth |
| [22:10:51] | wizbit: | mythtv 1772 14.8 0.0 0 0 ? Zsl 22:27 6:25 [mythbackend] <defunct> |
| [22:12:20] | Beirdo: | ps -eo pid,ppid,args |grep mythbackend |
| [22:12:54] | Beirdo: | the first number is the pid |
| [22:12:59] | Beirdo: | the second is the parent pid |
| [22:13:30] | Beirdo: | what does it show for pid 1772? |
| [22:15:34] | wizbit: | [root@box:]# ps -eo pid,ppid,args |grep mythbackend 1772 1 [mythbackend] <defunct> 9385 8598 grep mythbackend |
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| [22:16:32] | wizbit: | 1 is the parent pid |
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| [22:17:27] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: looks like physical/core id is only populated if there is more than one core |
| [22:17:46] | wagnerrp: | my 165 and 5050e both report it, but my 3200+ does not |
| [22:17:55] | Beirdo: | well, then one core would be easy to count anyways :) |
| [22:18:25] | Beirdo: | wizbit: then it's hosed. The init process should be cleaning it up |
| [22:18:30] | Beirdo: | (pid 1) |
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| [23:19:23] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: sure, but it means i need to account for the scenario where that will happen |
| [23:22:57] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [23:28:35] | wagnerrp: | quick check, could you run http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/MythTV/cpuinfo_check.py and see what it outputs? |
| [23:29:32] | wagnerrp: | by the way, know anyone with a bulldozer handy? |
| [23:30:09] | Beirdo: | gjhurlbu@mythbe:~/src/mythtvmeta$ ./cpuinfo_check.py |
| [23:30:09] | Beirdo: | ./cpuinfo_check.py: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| [23:30:09] | Beirdo: | ./cpuinfo_check.py: line 1: `def process_ia32():' |
| [23:30:32] | wagnerrp: | mzb: nevermind, seems openbenchmarking.org has a cpuinfo for bulldozer |
| [23:30:44] | Beirdo: | you put no #! |
| [23:30:47] | Beirdo: | silly boy |
| [23:30:47] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: try running 'python cpuinfo_check.py' |
| [23:30:51] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [23:31:32] | Beirdo: | it says count: 4 |
| [23:31:38] | wagnerrp: | sounds good |
| [23:31:39] | Beirdo: | why strip out the model name? |
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| [23:32:30] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [23:32:41] | Beirdo: | there's no model_name: |
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| [23:33:21] | wagnerrp: | because i wasnt paying attention and wrote "model_name" instead of "model name" |
| [23:33:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:34:27] | wagnerrp: | so a bull dozer will list <n> siblings, 0-<n-1> coreids, and <n/2> cores |
| [23:35:07] | wagnerrp: | im wondering how that would be best returned to smolt |
| [23:36:32] | wagnerrp: | since its not fair to claim they have <n> cores |
| [23:36:42] | wagnerrp: | but its also not fair to claim they have <n/2> cores |
| [23:37:37] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [23:39:40] | wagnerrp: | jams: would you be averse to just calling everything "modules" instead? |
| [23:39:53] | wagnerrp: | processors/modules/cores/threads? |
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