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Monday, April 23rd, 2012, 00:00 UTC

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zombor:

this doesn't exist: https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . 9.ebuild#L19

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tank-man:

what does not exist?

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zombor:

that package line

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zombor:

the line exists, what it refers do does not

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clever:

zombor: is portage giving an error?

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zombor:

yep

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zombor:

gimme a min

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clever:

whats the error?

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zombor:

im doing mythtv right now

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tank-man:

#gentoo maybe?

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zombor:

it's not a problem with gentoo, it's a problem with the mythtv overlay

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tank-man:

well, i installed mythtv fine without any ebuild file

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zombor:

and?

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zombor:

getting error now...

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tank-man:

you dont need a ebuild file unless you are doing it the 'gentoo' way

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zombor:

yah

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zombor:

im not installing crap on it's own

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zombor:

this is a mythtv overlay, it should work :)

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zombor:

clever: https://gist.github.com/2467793

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zombor:

dev-lang/php is the right package name, but i think throwing -5.3 on the end is screwing it up

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clever:

zombor: i think its because there are no php's below 5.3

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clever:

5.3.10 doesnt count, thats above 5.3

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zombor:

so change < to > ?

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zombor:

ive got 5.3.10 installed

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clever:

and the ebuild wants <5.3 for a reason, if you just start changing things you may install it with an incompatible version

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zombor:

mythweb .24 works fine with 5.3.10

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zombor:

ill just try, can't hurt

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wagnerrp:

basically, the problem is that neither of the ebuild maintainers actually use the mythweb ebuild to test it

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zombor:

>_<

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zombor:

changing < to > didn't work

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zombor:

it also doesn't upgrade the existing version =/

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zombor:

looks like it links it properly though

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jst_:

Anyone know how I can get mythmusic to follow my directory structure? That's how my music is organized.

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jams:

jst_- that feature has yet to be added back

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jams:

assuming your talking about .25

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** jst_ shakes his head. **

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jst_:

Typical.

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jst_:

Thanks for answering, jams.

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jams:

there is a long dicussion on the mailing lists

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jst_:

Hmm.

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jst_:

I suppose one day I'll update all my ID3 stuff.

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jst_:

I'm pretty much using ARTIST/ARIST – ALBUM/TRACK for now.

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wagnerrp:

get something that parses directory structure into ID3s

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zombor:

Segmentation fault :(

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zombor:

i knew it was a bad idea to upgrade :(

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wagnerrp:

zombor: no problems here, could you post a backtrace?

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SmallR2002:

i wonder why some chans are rebroadcast at higher numbers (mid200's)

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zombor:

sigh

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zombor:

with gdb?

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wagnerrp:

SmallR2002: digital cable?

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wagnerrp:

zombor: yes, logs of whatever application and description of what you were doing at the time can help

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wagnerrp:

but usually, not much you can do without a backtrace

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SmallR2002:

comcast still, yuo

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zombor:

i run `mythbackend` and it segfaults, i can send the output it makes, but it's useless

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wagnerrp:

SmallR2002: perhaps they are standard definition and high definition versions

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zombor:

wagnerrp: https://gist.github.com/2467976

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SmallR2002:

i'll double check but i don't think so

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SmallR2002:

the normal chan numbers are hd

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SmallR2002:

that i know

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k-man:

i noticed the README in fixes/.25 still reades "Release .24" would there be any interest in my updating that file?

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SmallR2002:

i thought the others were too but some may have been letterboxed

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k-man:

and supplying relavant patches

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SmallR2002:

k-man: that's a trick designed to promote more talk in here

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k-man:

SmallR2002, ah – it worked then :)

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wagnerrp:

zombor: you shouldnt be segfaulting, but im sure updating whatever that other machine is that is pinging your newly updated backend would help

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else, it appears you have updated the database out from under it

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k-man:

and also, may I humbly suggest the removal of the UPGRADING file as was last updated 8 years ago and appears to be slightly out of date now ;)

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wagnerrp:

and it will likely cause bad things to happen at some point

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zombor:

wagnerrp: im compiling .25 on my other backend

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zombor:

i think it upgraded the db already

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zombor:

lemme stop that one...

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wagnerrp:

you updated the database while the slave backend was still running

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wagnerrp:

could you get a full backtrace rather than that single line error?

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wagnerrp:

just run 'bt' in the terminal

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zombor:

doesn't seem to be segfaulting when i stopped the slave

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SmallR2002:

<3 firewire

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SmallR2002:

two minutes to copy a 6GB iso onto my external drive

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zombor:

wagnerrp: still want it?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

because it shouldnt be segfaulting anyway

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zombor:

i agree :)

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SmallR2002:

wagnerrp: i feel the need to print and frame that

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wagnerrp:

the fact that it was only caused by an old slave backend hitting it early on startup doesnt make it any better

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zombor:

blah

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SmallR2002:

"it shouldnt be segfaulting anyway" --wagnerrp 2012

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wagnerrp:

SmallR2002: but... but... USB2.0 is faster...

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zombor:

wagnerrp: looks like the slave finished installing :(

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SmallR2002:

than firewire 800?

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zombor:

so they are the same version now

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wagnerrp:

800? most people only have 400

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wagnerrp:

what i was alluding to was that fw400 is already far higher performance than usb2.0 at 480

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SmallR2002:

http://www.apple.com/br/firewire/images/chart.gif

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SmallR2002:

apple may be biased (a little)

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zombor:

why, they don't promote firewire anymore ;)

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wagnerrp:

its expensive

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zombor:

it's all thunderbolt now

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wagnerrp:

its expensive as it is a real DMA hardware bus

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SmallR2002:

i have a seagate external with modular plugs

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wagnerrp:

while USB is some piddly circuitry around a software bus

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SmallR2002:

so i have a usb 2, a firewire 800, i can buy esata and usb 3

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wagnerrp:

SmallR2002: the FW800/1600 never really made it to the PC world

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wagnerrp:

we stuck with 400

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wagnerrp:

what im saying is that chart is wrong

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zombor:

ive got 800 on my htpc mobo

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SmallR2002:

that's true

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zombor:

it's easy to get if you want it

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wagnerrp:

USB2.0 is rated at 480Mbps, versus FW at 400Mbps

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wagnerrp:

but FW is going to be considerably faster than usb

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wagnerrp:

even it at that slower spec

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SmallR2002:

but firewire gets 390ish from my experience and usb gets 300 at best

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SmallR2002:

(i used to do audio editing and such, got some fun hands on time with firewire sound cards)

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SmallR2002:

as you mentioned the dma bus means that it gets speed w/o overhead and so more reliable speed

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SmallR2002:

hence the audio use

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SmallR2002:

96khz sample rate is no good if your bus doesn't take it

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wagnerrp:

it also means its more like an internal bus, like PCI or PCIe

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wagnerrp:

where as USB is more like a serial port

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SmallR2002:

yup

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SmallR2002:

the lack of latency was made into a big deal with the guys i worked with

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SmallR2002:

aiming for very very clear and clean voice recordings

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wagnerrp:

jya: the mythmusic rewrite does not use your audio framework does it?

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jya:

wagnerrp: it does use it

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wagnerrp:

so the audio settings are all shared now?

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jya:

well, the audio framework doesn't use any audio device

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jya:

it's up to the caller to define what those are

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jya:

it still use MusicAudioDevice setting

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jya:

and if it's "default" it uses AudioOutputDevice

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jya:

and this time it does test for errors

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jya:

before it would play anyway

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jya:

wagnerrp: did you read my posts about the Bonjour stuff?

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BobLfoot:

OK my friend google and a search of the threads reveals no dfeinitive answer. What do the yellow colored recordings mean now in Watch Recordings. The theory on the lists is they are damaged, but a quick jump check shoewed the full 60 minutes is there.

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[TheAsp]:

hey, google is my friend too

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jya:

BobLfoot: it depends on the theme you are using

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wagnerrp:

jya: i saw some mention of improper hostname selection

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jya:

the theme choose how to display what

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wagnerrp:

if thats what youre referring to

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jya:

wagnerrp: yeah… it was about that irrelevant to what interface we listen on

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wagnerrp:

whats the thread name?

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jya:

Bonjour the way it's used will advertised the service using the machine name

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jya:

the machine name as the avahi library reads it.

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jya:

so if the internal hostname isn't set properly and can't be resolved externally, it won't work either

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wagnerrp:

so should we be forcing an IP address and/or hostname into the avahi library instead?

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jya:

i tried forcing an IP address in the bonjour class

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jya:

didn't work

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jya:

it only accepted hostname

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jya:

knowing what you hostname "should be" is going to be a hard task !

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wagnerrp:

which means the user must have a properly configured DNS server?

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jya:

yep

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wagnerrp:

or does avahi do its own autonomous name resolution?

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jya:

i think normally, bonjour service should try to resolve the name itself using bonjour, but iTunes on my mac certainly didn't seem to try that

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jya:

well, i would guess that itunes doesn't use libavahi

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jya:

for example, it worked with my iPhone or iPad

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wagnerrp:

we could hook into something to do a reverse name lookup on the IP address we want to listen to

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jya:

they could resolve the name

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jya:

for iTunes on the mac didn't

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wagnerrp:

if it fails, either throw a warning, or kill the airplay stuff entirely

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wagnerrp:

i assume a hosts file is one-way?

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jya:

https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#docu . . . stering.html

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jya:

The SRV target host name; usually, you’ll pass NULL to use the computer’s default host name. Passing NULL is the desired behavior in almost every case. However, proxy applications may pass an explicit SRV target other than the computer's host name.

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jya:

mythtv code uses NULL

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jya:

on my mac

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jya:

that makes bonjour uses jyaimac.local

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jya:

(which is the value shown in the system sharing preferences, .local is always added)

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jya:

but: hostname give me "jyaimac"

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jya:

nothing more

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jya:

jyaimac can be resolved by my DNS server, as that's what it registered the DHCP with

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SmallR2002:

my phone is driving me crazy

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jya:

jyaimac.local couldn't

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SmallR2002:

it randomly turns on the screen

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SmallR2002:

but as far asi can tell it doesn't have anything to say

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SmallR2002:

just did it again

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k-man:

SmallR2002, what sort of phone?

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SmallR2002:

htc evo with cyanogen

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SmallR2002:

i think it might be llama

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BobLfoot:

jya: it is the MythCenter Theme

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JoshTriplett:

I just ran into a pile of very strange log messages.

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JoshTriplett:

mythcommflag repeatedly tried to connect to mythbackend, but failed to get an answer, despite mythbackend running.

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wagnerrp:

there is an unresolved issue where the backend protocol server may deadlock

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JoshTriplett:

Oh joy.

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wagnerrp:

clients can connect, but never receive any sort of response from queries

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JoshTriplett:

But recordings still work, in theory?

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wagnerrp:

recordings on the master backend, yes

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wagnerrp:

slave backends, no

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wagnerrp:

this issue has been around for at least a year and a half

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wagnerrp:

and it has been around, unresolved, for that long as it is sufficiently rare, none of the devs have managed to reproduce it themselves to track it down

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JoshTriplett:

Would that also explain a failure to properly prompt a user watching live TV to make way for a recording?

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wagnerrp:

it only triggers on new connections, not existing ones

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JoshTriplett:

Doesn't ASK_RECORDING go through the backend?

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wagnerrp:

the notification of recording comes through the event system, the opposite direction

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JoshTriplett:

Ah.

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wagnerrp:

and thus is not handled by the deadlocked threadpool

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JoshTriplett:

Also, if that issue has occurred, wouldn't that prevent a new frontend from connecting?

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JoshTriplett:

Because I just successfully connected with a new frontend.

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wagnerrp:

while your response would come through the threadpool, and hit the deadlock

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JoshTriplett:

...oh, but not quite perfectly.

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JoshTriplett:

2012-04–22 20:59:44.846257 C Protocol version check failure.

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JoshTriplett:

The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty.

[04:10:51]

JoshTriplett:

This happens when the backend is too busy to respond,

[04:10:51]

JoshTriplett:

or has deadlocked in due to bugs or hardware failure.

[04:10:52]

JoshTriplett:

Sure enough.

[04:10:55]

wagnerrp:

it would go unhandled for ~30 seconds, causing the frontend to drop the connection and retry

[04:11:09]

wagnerrp:

at which point the dropped connection would cause the livetv session to drop as well, freeing up the tuner for the recording

[04:11:27]

JoshTriplett:

Well, the net observed result was a recording that just didn't happen.

[04:11:32]

JoshTriplett:

Despite showing up in Upcoming Recordings.

[04:11:41]

wagnerrp:

basically, there is a pool of threads sitting in the protocol server in the backend that handle responses

[04:11:54]

wagnerrp:

and one by one, they keep getting deadlocked in some area, until theyre all gone

[04:12:01]

wagnerrp:

at which point you start seeing these issues

[04:12:07]

JoshTriplett:

Wonderful.

[04:12:25]

JoshTriplett:

I just finished a PhD in multi-core programming, and even I try to avoid threads when possible. :)

[04:12:29]

wagnerrp:

for unknown reasons, it appears to affect centos users far more than other distros

[04:12:43]

JoshTriplett:

And this would be the reason. :)

[04:12:48]

JoshTriplett:

Well, chalk up one Debian user.

[04:12:49]

wagnerrp:

indeed

[04:13:00]

JoshTriplett:

I currently have a backend in this state.

[04:13:08]

wagnerrp:

im not saying it doesnt happen to other users, just not nearly as often

[04:13:09]

JoshTriplett:

Is there something I can do to try to gather information so you can fix it?

[04:13:28]

wagnerrp:

well it used to, but a number of patches later, and most users stopped seeing it

[04:13:52]

wagnerrp:

for now, just restart the backend

[04:14:03]

JoshTriplett:

wagnerrp: So, there's nothing I can do to gather information for you first?

[04:14:12]

wagnerrp:

if its something that happens to you repeatedly, there may be something to go after

[04:14:30]

wagnerrp:

i suppose you could trigger a core dump

[04:14:38]

wagnerrp:

and try to figure out where those threads are caught

[04:14:50]

JoshTriplett:

Unfortunately I don't think I have any debug symbols around for MythTV, or I'd have already attached gdb and gotten a backtrace.

[04:15:00]

JoshTriplett:

I should probably try to install some.

[04:15:24]

JoshTriplett:

But OK, I'll restart the backend then.

[04:15:40]

wagnerrp:

and FUN FACT! debugging symbols often slightly change timings for things and prevent the race condition from occurring

[04:15:41]

wagnerrp:

:)

[04:16:11]

JoshTriplett:

Heh heh heharghowhurts.

[04:16:38]

JoshTriplett:

I actually meant detached debug symbols, which in thery shouldn't affect timing at all.

[04:16:57]

JoshTriplett:

Will restarting the backend alone help, or do I need to go for the big red switch and kill all the other myth processes as well?

[04:16:58]

wagnerrp:

well im working on a rewrite of the whole thing currently

[04:17:06]

JoshTriplett:

wagnerrp: Oh?

[04:17:12]

wagnerrp:

nope, only need to kill the backend in question

[04:17:17]

JoshTriplett:

As part of the backend/tuner split?

[04:17:32]

wagnerrp:

with any luck, the offending code will get silently killed in the process

[04:17:48]

wagnerrp:

amusingly, no

[04:18:04]

wagnerrp:

as part of a minor improvement to the jobqueue

[04:18:20]

wagnerrp:

but minor changes have a tendency to snowball....

[04:18:22]

JoshTriplett:

"minor". Nice.

[04:18:29]

JoshTriplett:

wagnerrp: Well, thanks for the diagnosis and fix.

[04:18:48]

JoshTriplett:

I'll keep an eye on it; if it reproduces again I'll come back and see if I can do something to help

[04:18:50]

JoshTriplett:

.

[04:19:10]

wagnerrp:

i wanted to add a proper scheduler to the jobqueue, as opposed to now where theyre a bunch of completely independent daemons

[04:19:40]

wagnerrp:

which in turn required partial duplication of the backend server code to handle inbound commands

[04:20:01]

wagnerrp:

so that grew to outright replacing it to be more modular, and allow it to be shared between backend and jobqueue

[04:20:37]

wagnerrp:

which now that its going to be modular, why not go hog wild and split other applications apart in the process

[04:22:42]

wagnerrp:

well you can see the first start of it with the `mythmediaserver` bits

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JoshTriplett:

wagnerrp: When you say "a proper scheduler", what do you mean?

[04:28:05]

JoshTriplett:

wagnerrp: The ability to do things like storage-group-aware scheduling?

[04:28:43]

wagnerrp:

i mean the jobqueue has no scheduler, its a free-for-all

[04:28:56]

JoshTriplett:

Well, a free-for-all with a job limit, anyway.

[04:29:04]

JoshTriplett:

I thought it was basically first-come-first-serve?

[04:29:20]

wagnerrp:

yep

[04:29:41]

wagnerrp:

each independent queue looks through the table once every 30s IIRC

[04:29:57]

wagnerrp:

and if it can run something, it grabs it, puts its hostname on it, and goes

[04:30:05]

JoshTriplett:

Ah, I see.

[04:30:14]

JoshTriplett:

That's not quite the architecture I would have imagined.

[04:30:21]

wagnerrp:

its very basic

[04:30:24]

JoshTriplett:

I had figured it was some kind of dispatcher.

[04:30:36]

wagnerrp:

nope, thats what i want to implement

[04:31:21]

wagnerrp:

ideally, at some point the dispatcher starts gathering statistics, and using some heuristics, intelligently sends things where they will run the fastest

[04:31:45]

wagnerrp:

i.e. running disk intensive tasks on the machine where the disk lives, only running one on that disk at a time

[04:32:01]

wagnerrp:

sending less intensive tasks to slower machines, waiting for a faster one to free up before running a lengthy one

[04:32:16]

JoshTriplett:

So, for instance, doing preview generation on slower machines and commercial flagging on larger ones.

[04:32:22]

wagnerrp:

but thats a long way off, first goal is just basic dispatch

[04:32:31]

wagnerrp:

(and all the other tasks it has dragged in with it)

[04:32:45]

wagnerrp:

preview generation is not currently involved in the jobqueue

[04:32:52]

JoshTriplett:

Oh.

[04:32:56]

JoshTriplett:

Should it be?

[04:33:01]

wagnerrp:

potentially

[04:33:20]

wagnerrp:

same as something like mythfilldatabase

[04:33:30]

wagnerrp:

perhaps less to allow it to be queued up

[04:33:52]

wagnerrp:

and more to allow it to pre-emt existing tasks, reducing CPU and database load

[04:33:55]

wagnerrp:

so it can complete faster

[04:34:12]

JoshTriplett:

I keep wondering how much simpler MythTV would get if the concept of remote storage went away, and slave backends became nothing but tuner->network pipes. You'd have to attach all storage to your master backend, but that doesn't actually seem like that big of a deal.

[04:35:18]

wagnerrp:

i would expect thats a fairly small chunk of the ~1M line code base

[04:35:36]

JoshTriplett:

It's a fairly substantial number of assumptions, though.

[04:35:44]

wagnerrp:

true enough

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JoshTriplett:

Seems like it would be nice to factor in the direction of "if you want to merge multiple storage devices over the network, RBD is thataway, and NFS is over there, and flavour-of-the-day-fs is wherever you left it".

[04:36:46]

JoshTriplett:

Likewise for video.

[04:37:52]

JoshTriplett:

</wild-speculation>

[04:38:07]

JoshTriplett:

wagnerrp: In any case, thanks for the fast diagnosis on the backend issue.

[04:38:12]

JoshTriplett:

That seems to have fixed the problem for now.

[04:38:23]

JoshTriplett:

Here's hoping it stays fixed.

[04:38:56]

wagnerrp:

basically, its been a problem and annoyance on the back of all of our minds (at least the background (non ui) devs) for well over a year

[04:39:17]

wagnerrp:

less a personal annoyance, as none of us seem to suffer from it

[04:39:27]

wagnerrp:

more a professional one, since weve yet been unable to track it down

[04:40:03]

JoshTriplett:

Yeah, it's the kind of thing that contributes to non-technical family members assuming a baseline degree of flakiness in MythTV, which seems otherwise unwarranted.

[04:40:53]

JoshTriplett:

wagnerrp: Well, on the bright side, at least you don't have to deal with a pile of K&R C when hacking on MythTV.

[04:40:57]

** JoshTriplett goes back to hacking on cron. :) **

[04:41:22]

** wagnerrp wonders if someone actually touched filesysteminfo.cpp, or if git is just being confusing about a merge **

[04:42:06]

wagnerrp:

nope, untouched for three months

[04:42:10]

wagnerrp:

so why is it complaining...

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uzf: (reading backlog) for DVB-S you need to tell MythTV what is connected to your card. change "(unconnected)" to "LNB" or "Switch"

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EmleyMoor:

I want to get my mceusb2 remote control working with mythtv. I have so far not got anywhere with using it within mythtv. I need more guidance, at least so that I can get to the point where mythtv takes notice

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EmleyMoor:

I've got lircd running and mythtv looking at the right socket, but nothing happent

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EmleyMoor:

happens

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EmleyMoor:

(cursor keys seem to work but that's it)

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jya:

anyone using AirPlay here with iTunes ? (or tried to ?)

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** skd5aner has **

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skd5aner:

tried, and failed, obviously

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jya:

skd5aner: want to try a patch?

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skd5aner:

no iOS devics, but I do use my airport express a ton for airplay from itunes

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skd5aner:

can I apply it against -fixes?

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jya:

yep

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skd5aner:

sure

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skd5aner:

but, I can't test for about 30 mins or so

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jya:

give me a sec

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jya:

ah, i'm about to head to bed, maybe we'll try tomorrow then

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skd5aner:

alright, send it over

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skd5aner:

I'll push some actual work back

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jya:

that's a good answer :)

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jya:

http://pastebin.com/K1RTakrw

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jya:

there's still something dodgy with the A/V sync , but I haven't looked at that yet

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jya:

this part is only the rewrite of the control channel protocol

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wagnerrp:

jya: after mention of OS detection by the mythbuntu guys in #mythtv last night, im going to put something into smolt for freebsd

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wagnerrp:

right now, its just windows and a blend of linux distros

[14:58:12]

wagnerrp:

anything you want for OSX?

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wagnerrp:

(and i havent forgotten about the hdmi audio properties)

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jya:

if you show the OS itself that should be fine

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, speaking of that, can we have it gather something specific to us?

[14:58:44]

jya:

the osx-sourceforge folks have moved to the new builder

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: didnt catch the response last night?

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jya:

which pretty much restricts to intel only, >= 10.6

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tgm4883:

I didn't see one

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wagnerrp:

jya: i have no experience with OSX, no idea how to tell if im on OSX

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jya:

the same way you would with freebsd I would imagine

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/browser/mythtv/my . . . os_detect.py

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jya:

when it comes to shell stuff, osx is almost identical to freebsd

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wagnerrp:

jya: for freebsd, im thinking of just hitting 'uname'

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jya:

Darwin jyaimac 11.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 11.3.0: Thu Jan 12 18:47:41 PST 2012; root:xnu-1699.24.23~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: see the various mythtv distros at the top of that list

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wagnerrp:

and further processing down below

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tgm4883:

yep

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wagnerrp:

would just need to stuff something in there like that

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jya:

there are some stuff of interest on OSX, like if the kernel is 32 bits but the OS 64.

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tgm4883:

so it looks like it's ending up running lsb_release

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jya:

quite an interesting feature of OSX

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jya:

can have a full 64 bits userland, with a 32 bits kernel

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: it doesnt pick up /etc/debian_version?

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jya:

not sure how they do that

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, doesn't look like it

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tgm4883:

thomas@tmashos-wks:~$ cat /etc/debian_version

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tgm4883:

wheezy/sid

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tgm4883:

that is on my 12.04 machine

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tgm4883:

if it's picking that up, it sounds like it's getting the wrong info for Ubuntu 12.04 machines

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jya:

skd5aner: any progress?

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skd5aner:

sorry, got pulled away thanks for the reminder

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skd5aner:

doing it now

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skd5aner:

compiling

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wagnerrp:

jams: speaking of which, im rewriting that chunk of code to make definition of new OSs cleaner

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wagnerrp:

-ish

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jams:

ok

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jya:

wagnerrp: under which circumstances, would the signal for receiving data be called for a udp socket which isn't listening to an address?

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, never

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jams:

becareful with that lsb_release stuff. You would think it's standard across distros, but I have seen several cases where it reports different stuff, or the binary is named something else

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jams:

in other words, don't trust it

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jya:

wagnerrp: I dont even see the point of binding that udp connection to a port either

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jya:

I put a breakpoint in my signal handler (the one that isn't bound to anything

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jya:

and it is called

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skd5aner:

jya: still compiling...

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skd5aner:

ok, installing

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skd5aner:

jya: iTunes is just constantly trying to connect to the remote device

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jya:

where is mythfrontend running on ?

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skd5aner:

well...

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jya:

I mean, is it on the same machine?

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skd5aner:

I've got a mfe/sbe and a mbe – I did not apply to the patch to the mbe... do I need to do that?

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jya:

itunes is it on a mac or a pc ?

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skd5aner:

pc

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jya:

run mythfrontend with -v audio --loglevel debug

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skd5aner:

and, it is not on the same machine as itunes

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jya:

and try connecting with itunes

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jya:

and then playing something (audio only)

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skd5aner:

k, just a sec

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jya:

haven't tried itunes on a pc

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jya:

only a mac

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: what is in '/etc/issue.net'?

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jya:

it failed for me… the reason was that the hostname has seen by itunes on the PC, and being sent by mythtv couldn't be resolved by itunes

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skd5aner:

jya: interesting enough, after I restarted the frontend, itunes now shows 2 devices...

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS

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skd5aner:

"MythTV on raptor" and "MythTV on raptor1"

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tgm4883:

on a Mythbuntu system

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skd5aner:

jya: ah... it worked this time

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jya:

skd5aner: one would be the audio device only (RAOP) then other the audio+video (AirPlay)

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, talking with superm1, the only place it may say it is a Mythbuntu system is in /var/log/installer/media-info

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jya:

i need to debug why the video one isn't always showing

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jya:

skd5aner: it works ?

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skd5aner:

Sorry – 3 devices... "MythTV on raptor" "MythTV on raptor" and "MythTV1 on raptor"

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: if it thinks its a debain machine, it checks that file to test if its ubuntu

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skd5aner:

yea, it connected this time when I restarted mfe again

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tgm4883:

but that doesn't show the version they are currently on, so for it to report Mythbuntu version we'd have to check that file then check the ubuntu version

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jya:

skd5aner: looks like bonjour on a PC isn't as fast as refraishing host that have disappeared

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jya:

on the mac, it's almost instant

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skd5aner:

jya: yea, let me do a bit more testing here...

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jya:

same on my iphone

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jams:

tgm4883- so what made the team change their mind about distinguishing ubuntu from mythbuntu?

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tgm4883:

jams, it would just be great to know how many people are using our ISOs/Mythbuntu releases. Specifically since we are not doing non-LTS ISOs anymore

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jya:

wagnerrp: I'm a tad baffled why the readyRead() signal is being sent for a control socket (UDP) not listening to anything

[15:23:24]

tgm4883:

if it can't be done, no biggie

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skd5aner:

jya: I started itunes before mythfrontend... let me see what happens if mfe is already loaded (as it would be in most cases)

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wagnerrp:

jams: what ive got so far... http://pastebin.com/hfK1jztt

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wagnerrp:

big mess of gobildygoop metaprogramming

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wagnerrp:

but it means the individual distros are defined independently and cleanly

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jams:

tgm4883- right..the last couple times I asked, the decision was not to make the difference. Just wondering why the decision changed.

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skd5aner:

jya: I'm still getting 3 remote speakers :/

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jya:

and when you kill mythfrontend?

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jya:

do you still have any?

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tgm4883:

jams, I didn't know you had asked for smolt before

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jya:

skd5aner: whenever you restart mythfrontend, the airplay server use a random ID.

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jams:

tgm4883- 3 different times :)

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tgm4883:

jams, we still don't have it differently anywhere else but the media file

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jya:

so whenever you restart mythfrontend, you efectively have a new airplay device showing up

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tgm4883:

jams, I must not have been around :)

[15:26:17]

tgm4883:

or maybe I'd been drinking

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jya:

I guess, I could make it constant and use the mac address or something

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skd5aner:

well, with mfe stopped, I still have the devices... let me see what happens when I restart them...

[15:26:54]

jya:

skd5aner: yeah, so it's windows that caches the zeroconf/bonjour stuff too much

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jams:

wagnerrp- not for sure thats easier to read :)

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jya:

skd5aner: windows has always cached for way too long anything network related

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jya:

like you can rename a shared folder on a machine

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jya:

it won't show the updated name sometimes until you reboot

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wagnerrp:

jams: well, it does get rid of that mess of conditionals looping through the distro_info dict

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skd5aner:

jya: restart mfe, devices still there, let me restart itunes

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wagnerrp:

(and moves the mess to a bigger one elsewhere that should rarely need to be modified)

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jams:

that it does

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skd5aner:

jya: yea, still showing those three, so the cache must be somewhere?

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jya:

but otherwise, that works?

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jya:

if you select the right device?

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skd5aner:

well.. it didn't work the first time I tried, when only one device was listed – it just was persistantly trying to connect

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jya:

(you would see itunes connecting on the mythfrontend log)

[15:31:23]

skd5aner:

when I rstarted the frontend, additional devices appeared, and when I selected a different one, it connected and played

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jya:

what I'm going to do is create the name of the airplay device using the mac address

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skd5aner:

actually, give me 3 mins, I'll trying a different machine

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, would something like this work for the Ubuntu section http://pastebin.com/Qtv6wXcd

[15:31:56]

jya:

so it will never change, and you won't get the multiple device on itunes

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jya:

the mac refresh very quickly, so it;s never an issue

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tgm4883:

I haven't tested the code, but I think it should work

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wagnerrp:

should work fine

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wagnerrp:

should /var/log/installer/media-info always exist on ubuntu systems?

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tgm4883:

I believe so, it shows what physical media the installation came from. I'll check with superm1 if he knows of any reason it wouldn't exist

[15:35:18]

skd5aner:

jya: worked first try from a different windows laptop...

[15:35:28]

skd5aner:

just 1 device in the list

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wagnerrp:

easy enough to wrap it in a try block

[15:35:41]

skd5aner:

jya: however, I did discover a slight usability issue...

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, true. he says it should always be there but no reason not to add the try

[15:36:21]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, you want me to open a bug report and patch?

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skd5aner:

jya: when dpms sends the signal to put the display to sleep, my receiver also puts the HDMI port to sleep, so... no sound :/

[15:36:51]

jya:

skd5aner: how is this my problem ? :)

[15:37:00]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: nah, im going to push something in the near term to deal with freebsd

[15:37:04]

skd5aner:

so, I can enjoy it for 5 minutes before it's going to go silent

[15:37:05]

wagnerrp:

ill run it through then

[15:37:14]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, ok thanks

[15:37:30]

skd5aner:

jya: heh – well... no idea... but, kind of puts a cramp in my plan I guess

[15:37:44]

jya:

wagnerrp: what's the way to send a pulse to prevent the screen saver ?

[15:37:53]

jya:

disable dpms?

[15:38:02]

jya:

I've always disabled dpms on my frontend

[15:38:10]

skd5aner:

jya: but, I would imagine it'll affect anyone sending a signal over the HDMI cable to any device (TV, receiver, etc)

[15:38:21]

skd5aner:

... that has dpms enabled

[15:38:28]

jya:

skd5aner: I have a customedid stuff

[15:38:44]

skd5aner:

I know sphery had done a lot of dpms / sreensaver investigation back in the day, jams too maybe?

[15:38:47]

jya:

and as dpms is disabled

[15:39:01]

jya:

I don't have to have my TV on to have audio on my amp

[15:39:12]

wagnerrp:

jya: i think sphery would be the one to ask about that

[15:39:27]

jya:

well, it works awesome I have to say

[15:39:37]

jya:

dropped packet are being asked to be resent

[15:39:41]

jya:

and they are received

[15:39:44]

jams:

well it depends on the screensaver

[15:39:45]

jya:

now what I have no idea

[15:39:47]

wagnerrp:

jya: we should have some routine in some shared library to handle that

[15:39:48]

jya:

is why it works :)

[15:39:49]

skd5aner:

jya: yea, it definitely works... not sure what the fluke was that first time? hopefully a fluke is all

[15:39:53]

skd5aner:

jya: good job

[15:40:24]

jya:

wagnerrp: I get the resent packet from the control channel that isn't listening to anything

[15:40:37]

jya:

its magic

[15:41:11]

skd5aner:

I'll play around periodically to see if I can get it to barf again on connection

[15:41:24]

wagnerrp:

perhaps the Qt stuff automatically binds the QUdpSocket to something when you output?

[15:42:35]

jya:

well, time to go to bed, and enjoy my nightly episode of chuck.. the series grew up on me

[15:42:45]

jya:

or it's just Sarah I don't know :P

[15:43:54]

wagnerrp:

jya: Darwin 11.3, any easy way to equate that to an OSX version?

[15:44:04]

jya:

11 = 10.7

[15:44:09]

jya:

.3 = 10.7.3

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jya:

I think :)

[15:44:30]

wagnerrp:

so 10.0 would then be Darwin 2.x?

[15:44:44]

wagnerrp:

maybe i can find some lookup table online....

[15:44:47]

jya:

i can only tell you about 10.6

[15:44:50]

jya:

I have a VM somewhere

[15:45:06]

jya:

last time I check,

[15:45:11]

jya:

it's based on 3 constant

[15:45:24]

jya:

MAJOR, MINOR, .. something else

[15:45:33]

jya:

I had used it to determine the version of VDA

[15:45:42]

jya:

but it turned out to be broken for all version

[15:45:44]

jya:

so I didn't bother

[15:48:39]

jya:

wagnerrp: 10.6.8 is Darwin 10.8.0

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wagnerrp:

yeah, wikipedia has examples for 10.6 and 10.7, no 10.5 though

[15:49:21]

jya:

booting the VM

[15:49:37]

jya:

it may not work, I had tried to reinstall it last time as it was crashing

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jya:

ah yes.. it booted

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jya:

10.5.0 -> Darwin 9.0.0

[15:50:30]

jya:

i don't have a 10.4 VM

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wagnerrp:

so just 10.<darwin +4> ?

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jya:

the only disk apple provides as download are PPC

[15:51:02]

jya:

so i never managed to build a 10.4 VM

[15:51:06]

wagnerrp:

easy enough for now

[15:51:08]

jya:

looks like it

[15:51:11]

wagnerrp:

can always change it later if thats incorrect

[15:51:22]

jya:

doesnt' really matter anyway

[15:51:33]

wagnerrp:

information is only relevant for 90 days

[15:51:39]

jya:

do you want me to enumerate the audio device?

[15:51:51]

wagnerrp:

ive still got that copy from last time you did

[15:52:02]

jya:

running with -v audio, when you start the frontend, it will be shown in the log

[15:52:15]

wagnerrp:

just havent gotten around to putting together a struct to decode it

[15:52:28]

jya:

you're referring to the ELD I think

[15:52:29]

wagnerrp:

i would expect 10.5 would pick up nearly anyone trying to run mythtv

[15:52:32]

wagnerrp:

right

[15:52:34]

jya:

I refer to the audio device

[15:52:46]

jya:

like all the alsa, pulse, jack etc

[15:52:50]

wagnerrp:

oh, right now, all audio information from the database is included

[15:53:02]

wagnerrp:

ask jams about actually displaying it

[15:53:44]

wagnerrp:

well, maybe not all, but a lot of stuff

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wagnerrp:

alsa and oss version, existence (but not version) of jack and pulse

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wagnerrp:

well rather than read through everything in here... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/browser/mythtv/my . . . thtv.py#L266

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wagnerrp:

could probably do something better to handle pulseaudio/jack

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jya:

should create a binding that call the listdevice from myth

[15:58:28]

jya:

would be so much easier, and would work on any platforms

[15:58:40]

wagnerrp:

right now, theyre likely being detected as ALSA

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jk90090:

jya: I'm here

[16:08:57]

jya:

jk90090: that's the last one

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jya:

http://pastebin.com/evpj1uxU

[16:09:18]

jya:

itunes work now…

[16:09:27]

jk90090:

great

[16:09:30]

jya:

I'd like you to test with your older wifi bit, which were dropping audio

[16:09:38]

jk90090:

so only one file diff?

[16:09:49]

jya:

it touches more than one file

[16:10:33]

jya:

run mythfrontend with -v audio --loglevel debug

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jk90090:

will do

[16:11:01]

jya:

play with your old slow wifi router, and see if you get more (or less) dropped audio

[16:11:16]

jya:

I haven't changed the old logic of handling the data packet

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jk90090:

do you want me to apply this against the latest 0.25-fixes?

[16:11:41]

jya:

I've only rewrote the control channel. so now the request to resend packet are properly handled

[16:11:49]

jya:

yes fixes is fine

[16:11:56]

jk90090:

K

[16:12:12]

jk90090:

will take me a while to setup the env again. Want me to email you the results?

[16:12:20]

jya:

yes please

[16:12:38]

jya:

if it works for you, I'll leave the logic as-is and won't bother...

[16:12:41]

jk90090:

will do, thanks

[16:13:06]

jya:

it doesn't work very well (and it can't), but for most it shouldn't matter

[16:13:09]

jk90090:

and I see it modifies 3 files now

[16:13:31]

jya:

i've found that after running for a while, the a/v sync delay keeps increasing.. for audio only it doesn't matter

[16:13:45]

jk90090:

interesting

[16:13:51]

jya:

and it never properly reset itself by droppign audio to catch up

[16:14:24]

jya:

it does drop audio, but it doesn't adjust the timestamp, so all it does is reduce the buffering

[16:14:45]

jya:

ah volume works too

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jya:

however, your mythfrontend needs to be configured for volume control

[16:16:44]

EmleyMoor:

How can I configure lircd and mythtv to work together, or some other way for my remote control (mceusb2) to work mythtv? I've picked up different, conflicting opinions, none of which have actually got me to the point of seeing it work yet

[16:17:12]

jk90090:

jya: I don't use vol control, so I probably won't test that

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CiaranG:

Is there something obviously different about logging in 0.25 (compared to 0.24) that I'm missing?

[16:30:28]

wagnerrp:

everything

[16:30:45]

CiaranG:

In 0.24, log entries from mythvidexport.py (run as a user job) would show up in mythbackend.log – now I can't make them show up anywhere

[16:32:47]

wagnerrp:

change your userjob to be 'mythvidexport.py %VERBOSEMODE% %JOBID%', and use the updated version at https://github.com/wagnerrp/mythtv-scripts/bl . . . videxport.py

[16:33:51]

wagnerrp:

also, i need to make some fixes for the case where mythmetadatalookup has run on the recording in question

[16:34:51]

CiaranG:

Aha, ok, %VERBOSEMODE% – I already have your latest version from github

[16:35:36]

wagnerrp:

verbosemode is what the jobqueue now uses internally to pass the entire set of logging options

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wagnerrp:

the python bindings will now interpret those all directly, and configure the logging independent of the script

[16:36:29]

jk90090:

jya: just applied the patch to the latest 0.25 fixes, and compiling now

[16:36:38]

jya:

only now?

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wagnerrp:

jya: on OSX, where is uname?

[16:39:03]

jya:

same as freebsd

[16:39:12]

jya:

/usr/bin

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jya:

I thought using the env variable you could detect that

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jk90090:

or 'which uname'

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jya:

I see this often after #! blah

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jya:

jk90090: and where is which ?:)

[16:40:38]

jya:

if which is in your path, so would uname !

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wagnerrp:

i could, but in rare cases 'env' is not in /usr/bin/

[16:41:06]

wagnerrp:

i forget what, but some linux distro shoves it in /bin

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CiaranG:

wagnerrp: Hmm, well it gets all the options now, but it still doesn't log. Got to eat now, but I'll try and figure out why in an hour or so

[16:41:41]

CiaranG:

(proof it got the options: User Job 'python /home/ciaran/mythtv-scripts/python/mythvidexport.py --delete --verbose general --loglevel info --syslog local7 2356' failed.)

[16:42:23]

wagnerrp:

yeah, it probably caught the issue with trying to pull the existing metadata out of the recording when it detects the recording has already had tmdb/ttvdb content pulled for it

[16:42:45]

wagnerrp:

i need to fix that, and disabled it for a batch of stuff i ran last week

[16:43:11]

jya:

allright.. off to bed

[16:43:13]

jya:

good night

[16:43:17]

CiaranG:

Hmm, hang on, it's gone into /var/log/syslog

[16:43:32]

CiaranG:

(rather than /var/log/mythtv/whatever)

[16:43:49]

CiaranG:

Got to eat though, it's going cold down there...

[16:47:17]

jams:

wagnerrp, I see that avahi was added as a requirment for myth..which parts need it? frontend, backend or both?

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wagnerrp:

frontend, airplay stuff

[16:48:21]

wagnerrp:

its an optional requirement

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jams:

thx

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** EmleyMoor is trying his first pair of simultaneous recordings shortly **

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jya:

wagnerrp: AFAIK, it's also used by the backend to advertise its presence, it's not using UPnP anymore

[16:50:46]

jya:

that's what the torc for ios app use to find frontend and backend

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wagnerrp:

thats news to me

[16:51:12]

jya:

if you go back in the commit log

[16:51:19]

jya:

around february, end of jan

[16:51:28]

wagnerrp:

it may advertise itself, but AFAIK, its still using UPNP for internal auto-discovery

[16:51:35]

jya:

markk committed something replacing upnp with bonjour to advertise the various services

[16:51:56]

jya:

the commit was something like, use bonjour as it works better

[16:51:58]

wagnerrp:

since most UPNP devices will not operate using bonjour

[16:52:00]

jya:

or something like that

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jya:

bonjour/avahi/zeroconf

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jya:

same same

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wagnerrp:

right, but most UPNP devices are just UPNP devices

[16:52:32]

wagnerrp:

and its a different autodiscovery mechanism

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jya:

could be

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jya:

92a2f4d895bae4585fb38b1c1931eefe886b2817

[16:54:53]

jya:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/92a2f . . . eefe886b2817

[16:55:08]

jya:

note the "This may seem slightly counterintuitive to use Bonjour to advertise a

[16:55:09]

jya:

UPnP service but Bonjour seems to be more reliable"

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jya:

you're right

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jya:

it' s still using upnp

[16:56:07]

jya:

it's just on top of it

[16:56:23]

wagnerrp:

right, its just adding an alternate form of autodiscovery for those tools that want to use it

[16:56:54]

jya:

the answer to which parts need it? frontend, backend or both?

[16:57:01]

jya:

is still: all of them :)

[16:57:07]

wagnerrp:

fair enough

[16:57:13]

jya:

ok.. should really sleep :)

[16:57:19]

jya:

'night again

[16:57:42]

wagnerrp:

night

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RagingMind:

are there any plans to change the container that myth-encoded video uses? (from something like bttv)

[17:04:09]

wagnerrp:

there have been many plans in the past, but no completed results

[17:04:35]

wagnerrp:

chances are the whole transcoder is going to be rewritten in 0.26 or 0.27 to be based off the new HLS code

[17:04:46]

wagnerrp:

which would in turn allow something other than nuppelvideo

[17:05:23]

RagingMind:

transcoder not referring to the separate post-recording job?

[17:05:45]

wagnerrp:

?

[17:06:24]

RagingMind:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtranscode

[17:06:44]

wagnerrp:

mythtranscode is just a wrapper around the internal transcoding routines

[17:06:52]

wagnerrp:

used by both mythtranscode, and the recorder code

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wagnerrp:

s/transcoding/encoding/

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RagingMind:

k. your discussion of upnp reminded me that I've been wanting to stream videos to my tablet. I have a upnp media player on it and can watch mp4s from my videos but it chokes on recordings

[17:09:47]

wagnerrp:

what tablet?

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RagingMind:

hp touchpad

[17:11:35]

wagnerrp:

is that one of those webos units?

[17:12:19]

Twiggy2cents:

http://sellout.woot.com/

[17:12:23]

RagingMind:

Yup. webOS 3.0.5

[17:12:30]

Twiggy2cents:

I dunno if anybody reported that

[17:12:36]

Twiggy2cents:

Or if it is even a good deal

[17:13:49]

RagingMind:

it has mythtv in the description :)

[17:14:36]

RagingMind:

Twiggy2cents, it's $60 more for the same thing on newegg

[17:17:46]

wagnerrp:

$150 brings it about in line with where it should be, compared to the -2650 and infinitv

[17:18:01]

wagnerrp:

at ~$50/tuner

[17:18:29]

wagnerrp:

as it is now, you're paying a fair premium for the flexibility of direct network access

[17:19:47]

Twiggy2cents:

So does that allow one cable card stream or 3 from the one cable card

[17:21:02]

wagnerrp:

the -2650, prime, and infinitv have 2, 3, and 4 tuners, respectively

[17:21:20]

wagnerrp:

each accepts a single M-card, which is capable of handling 6 independent streams simultaneously

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Twiggy2cents:

Do you have to pay for the additional streams or is it just one flat rate?

[17:21:59]

wagnerrp:

the primex2 is a 6-tuner box, but technically its just two primes in a larger box, and takes two separate M-cards

[17:22:10]

wagnerrp:

that, im not sure

[17:22:27]

wagnerrp:

if you do, im sure its a nominal amount

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likwid-:

comcast is you pay for 1 card. mine was a $2 charge extra a month.

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likwid-:

1card 3 streams.

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jk90090:

jya: compile finished and tested

[17:25:18]

jk90090:

results are better, but not flawless

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locuse:

hi. i've a mythtv 0.25 split-front/back-end setup, both client & server on the same lan segment.

[17:28:29]

locuse:

i'm trying to get livetv working. atm, when i exec frontend @ my desktop, and select 'Watch LiveTV', i get a couple of seconds of vide0+audio play, then it stops and drops into a loop, waiting for video buffers.

[17:28:39]

locuse:

here's console output: http://pastebin.com/JAqXg4NH.

[17:28:45]

wagnerrp:

what type of tuner?

[17:29:02]

locuse:

wagnerrp: hi. i've an HDHR connected to the backend.

[17:29:23]

wagnerrp:

thats actually two users now ive heard reporting that issue...

[17:29:34]

wagnerrp:

what firmware rev?

[17:30:12]

locuse:

wagnerrp: v 20120405

[17:30:36]

wagnerrp:

i dont recall what the other person was using

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locuse:

i checked the other day — this seems to be the most recent

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wagnerrp:

jams: http://pastebin.com/CFFh55Zd

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wagnerrp:

should be all, including new ones for freebsd and osx

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EmleyMoor:

I tried to do two recordings at once – my card is capable – but the second one selected was not recorded due to a conflict... how do I make it work?

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wagnerrp:

what tuner card?

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wagnerrp:

EmleyMoor: what tuner card?

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EmleyMoor:

WinTV HVR-1700

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wagnerrp:

the HVR-1700 is a dual tuner, but only has one analog and one digital

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EmleyMoor:

Ah, I see... fair enough then...

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wagnerrp:

if you are trying to record two shows on two different digital channels, you will get a conflict

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EmleyMoor:

That it can record one will do.

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EmleyMoor:

I'd have chosen a digital-only one if it were not for the fact that, in the future, I may need video input working on it. Got my old card for that at the moment

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EmleyMoor:

So, only the remote control to crack...

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EmleyMoor:

(and of course the missing channels – they will probably stay missing until I can switch back to the new antenna)

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EmleyMoor:

I've mastered running the frontend in smaller geometry... I quite like it

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justinh:

EmleyMoor: if simultaneous recordings are from channels on the same multiplex, you can do > 1 :-)

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justinh:

with one dvb tuner you can record more than 1 channel from the same multiplex. up to 5 actually. see the record settings for a dvb tuner in mythtv-setup

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ska:

Can someone recommend a system for Myth under $400? I want to drive a 1080p samsung led tv.

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ska:

www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101117 this one was well rated, but Im not sure if I can put it all together for under $400

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ska:

I'm searching newegg and eggxpert, but many models are too old now.

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wagnerrp:

ska: so dont go barebones

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wagnerrp:

a not-shuttle but similar style case will go for ~$50

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wagnerrp:

and a mini-itx 1155 board can be had for as low as $50

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wagnerrp:

giving you ever bit as much as that $240 shuttle barebones

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wagnerrp:

realize its just a case, powersupply, and motherboard

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wagnerrp:

no cpu, no memory, no disks

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ska:

http://www.frys.com/product/6292160 looks good for price, but sold out...

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ska:

Yea, I get nervous playing with mobo's. I've mounted them before, but maybe its easier now.. Modulal plugs.

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justinh:

it's good to be cautious though

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ska:

justinh: I've never fried one, but I've seen people ruin them. scratched.

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justinh:

if I see anybody assemble a system without really checking anything I think "there's a guy with too much money"

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Toast:

Hi, How can I clear the job queue?

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lautriv:

i have a box with a minimal install + mythfrontend, lights on network look like there were massive traffic, even on the main-menue (playing nothing). i f i select e.g. watch tv it is interrupted. another box on the same network runs fine. any suggestions ?

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wagnerrp:

gah! i thought i removed the urlgrabber dependency from smolt

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wagnerrp:

i did, i did remove the urlgrabber dependency from smolt

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locuse:

in the process of doing some troubleshooting. i'm building backend and frontend instances on separate clean-installed linux boxes. looking at what 'minimal install' implies, are the mythplugins solely associated with the backedn OR the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

backend and frontend are one in the same

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wagnerrp:

there is only the core install

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locuse:

wagnerrp: ? so the step, "cd /usr/local/src/mythtv/mythplugins" followed by configure/make/make install is no longer relevant?

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wagnerrp:

no, im saying there are not separate frontend and backend installs

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wagnerrp:

you cannot install one and not the other

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locuse:

wagnerrp: no, but i can certainly build myth on two differently-purposed machines — one for frontend and one for backend — with completely different build configs. i'm asking if, in that case, the plugins need to be installed on only one, only the other, or both machines.

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wagnerrp:

plugins only get loaded by the frontends

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wagnerrp:

of course stripped plugins are only going to consume a few MB worth of disk space

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wagnerrp:

unless youre trying to cut down on space to pack the whole thing into a kernel initrd, theres not a whole lot of point

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locuse:

when troubleshooting, i simply and remove all the cruft i can.

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locuse:

if it was all working, i'd simply deploy all-options-config'd builds on both boxes, and be done with it.

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wagnerrp:

aww come on... this whole thing is tabbed?

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locuse:

tabbed?

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wagnerrp:

reverting the reversion of some code i wrote last year

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wagnerrp:

we use 4 spaces for tabbing, but the offending code has real tabs

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locuse:

oh, not talkin' to me ...

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wagnerrp:

no, just complaining in general

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locuse:

We're here for ya ...

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locuse:

I just built client/server instances from latest/same git pull of 0.25/fixes. when I connect with client, @ console I'm getting: "MythTV database schema is old. Waiting to see if DB is being upgraded.; Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1299; ...; Not allowed to upgrade the database.".

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locuse:

er, huh?

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wagnerrp:

0.25-fixes runs schema version 1299, the master branch has bumped past that

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locuse:

both boxes are 0.25-fixes, atm.

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wagnerrp:

if something is complaining that 1299 is too old, it is a post-0.25 developmental version

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wagnerrp:

this is mythfrontend?

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend --version

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locuse:

wagnerrp: yes, "mythfrontend --windowed --mouse-cursor --geometry 960x540" @ my desktop connecting to my backend box

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wagnerrp:

did you make sure to do 'git checkout fixes/0.25' ?

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locuse:

yup.

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wagnerrp:

and the --version output?

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locuse:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/XL11DQ1t

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wagnerrp:

dont know what's going on then

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wagnerrp:

jams: im re-doing hwdata.py a bit too

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wagnerrp:

freebsd uses a different format for its USB data

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skd5aner:

wow, overwhelming amount of people using ext4

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skd5aner:

that sorta surprises me

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[TheAsp]:

some people have no taste

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wagnerrp:

its the standard for ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

overwhelming amount of people using ubuntu

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skd5aner:

yea, but I use ubuntu and don't use ext4

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skd5aner:

guess that makes me... someone who can think for themselves?

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wagnerrp:

more or less

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[TheAsp]:

skd5aner: someone with a do nothing fsck binary? :)

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skd5aner:

and that many people still use mythcenter?

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skd5aner:

maybe I should adopt that theme and make a mythcenter-ng or something

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[TheAsp]:

i think mythcenter is my 3rd favourite theme

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skd5aner:

I liked it ok... in 2005

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[TheAsp]:

yeah

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skd5aner:

I tried it again the other day for the first time in a long time, and after using about 4 other themes in the last 6 years, it felt so... basic and empty

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locuse:

wagnerrp: fwiw, could not get the schema mismatch to go away — until i completely rm'd the source tree, and re-dl'd fresh from git. now, THAT's no longer a problem. even a hard reset didn't do the trick. go figure ..

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wagnerrp:

sounds like you had something left over from a previous build of the master branch

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locuse:

wagnerrp: afaict, i never touched the master branch. my co's are scripted ... gremlins :-/

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locuse:

in any case, with these brand-spankin'-new clean builds, i'm right back where i started — "2012-04–23 15:12:20.582514 N Player(0): Waited 16720ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAAAALLf" after initial connect for LIveTV watching.

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lautriv:

i see much action on the light of a network-card where the box is only a mythfrontend in standby (no stream) . if i start some stream, it'll be interrupted, obviously because the actions on this card.......how do i track this at best ? ( lsof -i told me about mysql/some myth/sunrpc/polkit/avahi)

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russell5_laptop:

is there a setting for max # of commercial breaks. Its seems lately the last break isnt getting marked after running commercial detection?

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lautriv:

ok, network thing solved........next one : backend-status tells me "searching metadata" for 2 recordings in job-queue, what happend ?

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locuse:

After a clean, and apparently successful, backend 'sudo -u mythbackend mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all' and subsequent connect from my frontend box (http://pastebin.com/cq9sYntE),

[23:18:54]

locuse:

at nav to the Program Guide, all the channels (name & number) are there, but all EPG *program* data is listed as "unknown". Here's a screenshot of the EPG display @ the client: http://postimage.org/image/gucynshab/

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locuse:

Is there anything from that log output that would suggest why I'm not getting EPG program data?

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wagnerrp:

locuse: arent you in europe

[23:27:50]

locuse:

wagnerrp: nope. california.

[23:28:00]

wagnerrp:

i thought you had an HVR-1700

[23:28:10]

locuse:

wagnerrp: nope. hdhr.

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** wagnerrp scrolls back to figure out who he is thinking of **

[23:29:22]

wagnerrp:

anyway... mythfilldatabase will only match up your scanned channel names with those on your schedules direct lineup as best it can

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wagnerrp:

if there is not an exact match, it will leave the channel empty, and leave it up to you to manually define an XMLTV ID

[23:30:03]

wagnerrp:

anything that does not have an XMLTV ID will not pull guide data

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wagnerrp:

log into your schedules direct account, mouse over the channels in question, and it will list the ID

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locuse:

wagnerrp: it pulled 8MB of *something* ...

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wagnerrp:

typically a 5-digit number

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wagnerrp:

well mythfilldatabase will download it, but it wont be able to apply anything because it doesnt know what the channels are

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locuse:

so this is considered typical? NO matches? ALL of my program data is "unknown" ...

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wagnerrp:

go into the channel editor in mythtv-setup, or mythweb, and set those xmltv ids for the matching channels

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wagnerrp:

this is a normal HDHR, not a prime?

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locuse:

wagnerrp: that's correct. with prior attempts using headend, no such issues ... EPG population happens just fine. of course, the silly thing wouldn't stay 'up' more than 10 minus ...

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wagnerrp:

when you scan for broadcast digital channels, they will come with a callsign embedded in the stream headers

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wagnerrp:

typically, most of these headers will line up with those found on your scheduled direct lineup, and the xmltvids will get set automatically

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wagnerrp:

there are usually only a handful of mismatches, such as use of a _ instead of a -, or maybe Kxxx-DT vs. Kxxx-WX

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wagnerrp:

its odd that none of them would be automatically matched

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locuse:

wagnerrp: I'm in ChannelEditor atm. ALL of the SchedulesDirect channels are named, have their associated channel numns (e.g. 44_2), and ALL of the XMLTV IDs are blank.

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wagnerrp:

perhaps --dd-grab-all disables that automatic assignment

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wagnerrp:

try running it once with no arguments

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locuse:

wagnerrp: i tried it both with and without ... same issues. i swithched TO the "--dd-grab-all" based on info in post suggesting that my DB is likely corrupt, etc, and that I should 'grab all'.

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locuse:

is my only option for manual entry of the IDs via GUI? is there, at least, a file to edit?

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wagnerrp:

its quicker to use the channel editor in mythweb

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wagnerrp:

it presents you with just a big table of edit boxes

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wagnerrp:

but it is certainly odd that there would be no matches

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locuse:

haven't gotten mythweb up yet.

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locuse:

oh great. while IN the ChEd, @ console Im' getting this spew now: "MythCoreContext: Connecting to backend server: 10.10.9.202:6543 (try 1 of 1); Connection to master server timed out.; Either the server is down or the master server settings in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP address". server's definitely 'up' ...

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wagnerrp:

thats the correct address?

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wagnerrp:

no firewalls?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup has no explicit need for mythbackend to be alive

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wagnerrp:

and if youre running mythbuntu, their wrapper script will forcefully terminate mythbackend before running mythtv-setup anyway

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locuse:

yep, correct IP. no, no firewalls. not mythbuntu. this is DIY build on opensuse.

[23:43:33]

locuse:

restarting mythtv-setup clears it up ... back into ChEd.

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locuse:

might be time to struggle with mythweb ...

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