| Wednesday, April 18th, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:04] | wagnerrp: | with no need for the patch |
| [00:00:21] | ** wagnerrp goes back to reworking mythwikiscripts ** | |
| [00:00:48] | jya: | jk90090_: having said that, the changes won't fix your problem |
| [00:01:05] | jya: | I've fixed some stuff related to audio packets beeing deemed too old |
| [00:01:19] | jk90090_: | roger |
| [00:01:24] | jya: | but nothing to do with missing packets |
| [00:01:55] | jya: | would need a network sniffer.. |
| [00:02:14] | jya: | luckily my switch let me duplicate all traffic from a port (my ATV) to another |
| [00:03:10] | jk90090_: | I'm on two HP network switches, it might allow similar but I've never need to know |
| [00:03:25] | wagnerrp: | there are ways around it if they dont |
| [00:04:00] | wagnerrp: | you can broadcast fraudulent ARP data that will cause the data to get cloned |
| [00:04:03] | jk90090_: | w: I assume I could just load up a packet logger on my ATV |
| [00:04:22] | wagnerrp: | theres some utility built into wireshark that can do that |
| [00:06:30] | ** awalls built tcpdump to run on his Asus WL-500g once upon a time ** | |
| [00:07:31] | jk90090_: | sure, tcpdump certainly can be apt-get from the ATV |
| [00:07:57] | jya: | tcpdump won't help out of the box if you want to sniff packet between your iPhone and an ATV |
| [00:08:18] | awalls: | WL-500g is my crummy wirelss router |
| [00:08:34] | wagnerrp: | (and integrated switch) |
| [00:08:42] | awalls: | tcpdump could sniff all the interfaces at once |
| [00:09:33] | awalls: | the crud coming from the big bad internet interface was incredibly weird, BTW |
| [00:10:20] | awalls: | Windows messenger spam with antivirus hoaxes. |
| [00:10:57] | ** jya wondering where justinh when you need him to test something ** | |
| [00:13:07] | wagnerrp: | my guess is sleeping |
| [00:13:10] | wagnerrp: | its like 3AM there |
| [00:13:20] | wagnerrp: | erm.. 1AM |
| [00:13:26] | jk90090_: | jya: The API version you mentioned, I checked the ebuild and it is from commit f73dbda4d44e3694c1374c2332ddfb80e2e7f355 , which is definitely from March 29th. Is that really unexpected? |
| [00:13:29] | jya: | where does he live? UK? |
| [00:13:35] | wagnerrp: | aye |
| [00:13:50] | jya: | always sleeping those poms .. |
| [00:13:58] | jk90090_: | ha |
| [00:14:08] | jk90090_: | maybe he's playing xbox |
| [00:14:11] | jk90090_: | MW3 |
| [00:14:13] | jk90090_: | ;-) |
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| [00:16:35] | dave_: | http://pastebin.com/GhqRHR6n --> my mythtranscode log is full of errors, what's going on? i haven't changed any of the settings from the defaults. shouldn't the default settings like... work? |
| [00:17:52] | wagnerrp: | seems as if it cannot open the file for whatever reason |
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| [00:18:24] | wagnerrp: | i would check to see why the backend never started recording |
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| [00:18:49] | bcgrown: | it recorded fine |
| [00:19:21] | bcgrown: | i was just went to an old recording in mythweb and pushed the transcode button |
| [00:19:35] | wagnerrp: | well then youre looking at the wrong log file |
| [00:19:45] | wagnerrp: | as that is not what happened in that transcode instance |
| [00:20:01] | wagnerrp: | that transcode instance is one where you attempted to do an HLS transcode of a livetv session |
| [00:20:17] | bcgrown: | oh |
| [00:20:22] | bcgrown: | that was mythtranscode.log |
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| [00:20:51] | bcgrown: | where should I be looking? I just noticed that the backend status page still says the job is queued, 10 minutes later... |
| [00:21:18] | wagnerrp: | if the job is queued, it has not started yet, so there will be no log |
| [00:21:40] | wagnerrp: | either your queue is filled by another task |
| [00:21:41] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: but it seems to be stuck in the queue. there are no other jobs happening |
| [00:21:52] | wagnerrp: | or your queue is misconfigured, such that no backend is allowed to run that task |
| [00:22:10] | bcgrown: | ohhh actually now i remember, i disabled transcoding, because it didn't work |
| [00:22:13] | bcgrown: | doh |
| [00:22:24] | bcgrown: | and i didn't want it mangling my recordings |
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| [00:25:27] | jya: | jk90090_: in my search to get a better doc on the airplay protoocl, I found this: https://github.com/albertz/shairport |
| [00:25:34] | jya: | do you mind testing it and report ? |
| [00:25:44] | jk90090_: | sure, let me look at it |
| [00:26:45] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: Apr 17 17:25:10 myth mythtranscode[4193]: E CoreContext NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp:610 (SetupAVCodecVideo) NVR(): Unable to open FFMPEG/mpeg4 codec |
| [00:27:13] | wagnerrp: | do you actually want to encode to ASP/NUV? |
| [00:27:14] | bcgrown: | i have ffmpeg installed and the package description in Synaptic says it supports MPEG4... |
| [00:27:22] | bcgrown: | no |
| [00:27:27] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not use ffmpeg |
| [00:27:29] | bcgrown: | that was the default, i think |
| [00:27:36] | wagnerrp: | it uses its own internal libraries |
| [00:27:41] | wagnerrp: | (and its own internal copy of ffmpeg) |
| [00:27:46] | bcgrown: | hmm i should check the transcode settings again |
| [00:27:53] | wagnerrp: | there is no default profile for 'lossless' |
| [00:27:55] | wagnerrp: | you have to make one |
| [00:27:56] | bcgrown: | but regardless, shouldn't that work? |
| [00:28:06] | wagnerrp: | it should, dont know why it wouldnt |
| [00:29:55] | bcgrown: | this is one thing that's always confused me... when would a recording profile other than "Default" ever be chosen by the backend? |
| [00:30:17] | wagnerrp: | when you specify it in the recording rule |
| [00:30:21] | bcgrown: | especially for a firewire input, that has no options anyway |
| [00:30:28] | jya: | bcgrown: whenever you set your recording rule to use a different profile |
| [00:30:57] | wagnerrp: | for a firewire input, even with no options, the recording mechanism requires a profile be defined anyway |
| [00:31:11] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: but there's no point having multiple profiles, is there? |
| [00:31:44] | wagnerrp: | for firewire, no |
| [00:32:48] | jk90090_: | jya: hmm, looks like this need ipv6 to be configured |
| [00:33:08] | jya: | no… from the code, it's an option |
| [00:33:08] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [00:33:28] | wagnerrp: | ipv4 and ipv6 addresses are configured independently |
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| [00:33:36] | jya: | jk90090_: and from your earlier log, your pc is ipv6 no? |
| [00:33:47] | jk90090_: | No ;-) |
| [00:33:51] | jya: | wagnerrp: that's in regards to this: https://github.com/albertz/shairport |
| [00:33:55] | wagnerrp: | jya: he only had the localhost address specified in use |
| [00:34:25] | jya: | ah yeah, now that I recall he's using 0.25-rc it's not going to matter |
| [00:34:36] | wagnerrp: | what's not? |
| [00:35:00] | wagnerrp: | -rc means hes not running yesterday's patch that makes it not matter |
| [00:35:08] | jk90090_: | actually, looking at my system it has ipv6 addresses at least defined, so I'll give it a whirl anyways |
| [00:35:54] | jk90090_: | Wagner: I just finished today's git compile |
| [00:36:00] | wagnerrp: | jk90090_: there are two independent settings for ipv4 and ipv6, and the two modes are processed independently for what addresses to listen on |
| [00:36:03] | jya: | there's code in there for ipv4, IPV6 needs to be explicitely set |
| [00:36:28] | wagnerrp: | if one is set, it will listen on that and localhost (or just localhost if it is set to localhost) |
| [00:36:46] | jk90090_: | ugh, I hate database schema changes |
| [00:36:46] | wagnerrp: | if one is not set, it will listen on localhost, plus all private network addresses found on the system |
| [00:37:06] | bcgrown: | just tried it again... got this: Apr 17 17:36:01 myth mythtranscode[4721]: E CoreContext recordingprofile.cpp:164 (addSelection) SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 44100 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates. |
| [00:37:12] | jk90090_: | for god's sake I wish this didn't happen twice in 17 days |
| [00:37:13] | jya: | jk90090_: don't run master ! |
| [00:37:16] | bcgrown: | and this: Apr 17 17:36:01 myth mythtranscode[4721]: E CoreContext NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp:610 (SetupAVCodecVideo) NVR(): Unable to open FFMPEG/mpeg4 codec |
| [00:37:25] | bcgrown: | that was with the "autodetect from mpeg2" profile |
| [00:37:30] | bcgrown: | encoding into mpeg4 |
| [00:37:33] | wagnerrp: | master has updated, 0.25 still runs the same schema as your -rc build |
| [00:37:48] | jk90090_: | jya: but then I don't get those juicy fixes you create right ;-) |
| [00:37:57] | jya: | jk90090_: for raop you do |
| [00:38:04] | jya: | because I've committed it there too |
| [00:38:07] | wagnerrp: | you need to specify --version=0.25 to specify that you want the 0.25-fixes build |
| [00:38:20] | jya: | and all the changes to raop were made before 0.25 was released |
| [00:38:21] | jk90090_: | no I mean if I *dont* run master then I dont |
| [00:38:25] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, it assumes trunk |
| [00:39:01] | jk90090_: | ugh |
| [00:39:13] | jk90090_: | I didn't notice it pull 0.26 |
| [00:39:16] | jk90090_: | hrm |
| [00:41:02] | jk90090_: | pulling again, and recompiling. I'm also pulling in the requisite libraries for the shairport |
| [00:42:27] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: any ideas why my transcoding is borked? |
| [00:43:00] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [00:43:32] | bcgrown: | :( |
| [00:43:44] | bcgrown: | how can i tell which profile it's trying to use |
| [00:45:03] | wagnerrp: | if you ran through the frontend, it will use the one you told it |
| [00:45:15] | wagnerrp: | if you run through mythweb, it will use the default specified by that recording rule |
| [00:45:42] | bcgrown: | oh, there's my problem possibly |
| [00:46:17] | Unguided1: | wagnerrp: Can i run 0.25 in a bsd jail or no? |
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| [00:47:02] | wagnerrp: | i do, and have for years |
| [00:47:15] | wagnerrp: | that build image i sent you was a jail |
| [00:47:31] | wagnerrp: | however for certain things, you require a real network interface |
| [00:47:43] | wagnerrp: | and not the restricted one you have access to through the jail |
| [00:48:00] | wagnerrp: | which in my case, required a custom kernel with the vimage driver |
| [00:48:34] | wagnerrp: | and a custom jail manager that applied certain options during the startup and configuration of the jail |
| [00:48:46] | wagnerrp: | to provide it with a virtual network interface on a dedicated stack |
| [00:48:58] | Unguided1: | I know. Thats what got me looking at bsd. so that is not much of an option to using the jail without the custom kernel? |
| [00:49:01] | bcgrown: | i forget, how do i change the recording schedule defaults in mythweb? |
| [00:49:07] | wagnerrp: | specifically, it was needed for UPNP to work, as well as the autodetection for the HDHomeRun |
| [00:49:29] | wagnerrp: | normal operation is just fine inside a normal jail |
| [00:49:46] | wagnerrp: | the problem is only for things that perform autodetection, and thus need strange access to the network |
| [00:50:11] | wagnerrp: | in other words... unicast works fine, multicast and broadcast do not |
| [00:50:15] | jk90090_: | wagnerrp: script is failing using --version btw, trying to debug why |
| [00:50:35] | Unguided1: | If i assigned my primes by ip in 0.25, I should be ok shouldnt I? |
| [00:50:56] | wagnerrp: | should be, yes |
| [00:51:06] | wagnerrp: | i switched to the virtual network stack around 0.23 or so |
| [00:51:22] | wagnerrp: | when there was an issue with the hdhomerun drivers that prevented proper use when defining by IP address |
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| [00:51:50] | wagnerrp: | since i went through all the effort of getting it working in the first place, i never bothered to convert back |
| [00:52:12] | Unguided1: | That will at least get me by until the bsd port is done |
| [00:52:12] | jk90090_: | jya: running shairport, seeing requesting resend on some packets |
| [00:52:24] | jya: | but does the audio drop out? |
| [00:52:45] | jya: | what I'm interesting in knowing, is if audio is good there |
| [00:53:06] | jk90090_: | but Zero stuttering |
| [00:53:14] | jya: | ok cool |
| [00:53:21] | jk90090_: | far less resend requests than I was seeing in myth logs |
| [00:53:36] | jya: | probably just a coincidence |
| [00:54:07] | jk90090_: | but I now have a nice little tool running on my backend ;-) |
| [00:55:07] | bcgrown: | how do i change the recording schedule defaults in mythweb? |
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| [00:55:17] | bcgrown: | i.e. i want to change the default transcoder |
| [00:55:29] | wagnerrp: | "Schedule Recordings" |
| [00:55:39] | wagnerrp: | note, the default is applied at the time of recording |
| [00:55:40] | jk90090_: | I know you can do it for each recording schedule |
| [00:55:46] | wagnerrp: | and that option will not alter existing recordings |
| [00:55:47] | Unguided1: | wagnerrp: Do you recommend running in a jail all the time or no? |
| [00:56:13] | wagnerrp: | Unguided1: i do out of convenience |
| [00:56:28] | jk90090_: | bcgrown: I assume you're asking for the convince of new schedules you create? |
| [00:56:28] | wagnerrp: | it lets me snapshot things when running updates |
| [00:56:35] | wagnerrp: | so i can roll back if needed |
| [00:56:50] | wagnerrp: | as well as clone it off for testing other versions or branches |
| [00:57:29] | wagnerrp: | i actually run nearly everything in a jail |
| [00:57:31] | bcgrown: | jk90090_: yes, right now everything is being set to use the High Quality transcoder, but I want it on Autodetect |
| [00:57:35] | wagnerrp: | xchat is currently being run in one |
| [00:57:59] | wagnerrp: | and theyre all built off a tree of cloned ZFS directories |
| [00:58:29] | wagnerrp: | i.e. base jail gets cloned for mysql server, apache, and base with X |
| [00:58:54] | wagnerrp: | base with X gets cloned for terminal server (xpra and xchat), and base with mythtv |
| [00:58:58] | jk90090_: | bcgrown: for schedules you've already created, then you go to "Recordings Schedule" and select each one, choose advanced options, and change the transcoder. An easier way of course is an sql command |
| [00:59:11] | bcgrown: | i don't speak sql |
| [00:59:18] | wagnerrp: | base with mythtv gets cloned for my backend, the buildbot, and test jails for 0.23, 0.24, 0.25, and master |
| [00:59:41] | bcgrown: | Could you hook me up? also how do I change it for recordings that have already been recorded? |
| [00:59:52] | Unguided1: | Great idea. I didnt think of the roll back issue or the snapshots. Kind of like vbox but on real hardware. Nice. I want to use my server for mythv, file serving, samba, movies music etc. |
| [00:59:59] | wagnerrp: | maybe once a year, i tear the whole thing down and rebuilt if all from scratch |
| [01:00:22] | jk90090_: | bcgrown: Right, so you're going to have to do it the long way: Recordings Schedule -> select a schedule (click the title) -> Unhide the Advanced Options (if hidden) and change the Transcoder dropdown |
| [01:00:57] | bcgrown: | jk90090_: will that change it for existing recordings? |
| [01:01:00] | jk90090_: | bcgrown: for existing records, I don't know if myth web will let you. I know you can do it with sql |
| [01:01:04] | wagnerrp: | jail+zfs basically gets you all the management niceties that people want out of virtualization, without actually having to resort to the overhead of virtualization |
| [01:01:06] | bcgrown: | :( |
| [01:01:29] | jk90090_: | I don't see a way in my mythweb |
| [01:02:04] | wagnerrp: | and if you dont actually need to run different kernels for different things, there is little need to actually do virtualization |
| [01:02:23] | Unguided1: | im gonna make an 8tb zfs pool running on a usb 3.0 external box for easy upgrading. I figured that out. Like I said you are the one that turned me on to bsd after you told me freenas was nanobsd |
| [01:02:57] | ** wagnerrp does not like USB ** | |
| [01:03:12] | jk90090_: | Unguided: USB, wow, you're bolder than I am |
| [01:03:20] | wagnerrp: | i know 3.0 is a completely different beast from 1.1/2.0, but... i just cant get over that hatred |
| [01:03:56] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand what an external USB box is going to get you in terms of easy upgrading |
| [01:04:17] | jk90090_: | My esata array has worked out ok so far, unsure how a USB3 array would be |
| [01:05:05] | Unguided1: | True. With bsd you can just replace the drive one at a time allowing for rebuild in between |
| [01:05:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: is it just me or does the direct link to where to find the hacked key for raop in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/AirTunes/AirPlay seem wrong to you, too? |
| [01:06:29] | sphery: | I mean, at that point, we're basically telling users exactly what to do--so we might as well just ship it already in place |
| [01:06:30] | Unguided1: | wagnerrp: Plus with usb 3.0 it is 6 gbps over four drives instead of 3.0 or 6.0 per drive. I didnt think of that either. |
| [01:06:41] | wagnerrp: | ive got no problem with it there |
| [01:07:19] | sphery: | I'd be a lot happier if there were at least some disclaimer saying that it's use may be illegal in some areas |
| [01:07:20] | jk90090_: | Wagner: Does the log cleanup python do any cleanup of the database logging table? I haven't looked at it thoroughly |
| [01:07:29] | wagnerrp: | Unguided1: im not talking about bandwidth, i just dont know why you would opt for an external usb box |
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| [01:07:38] | wagnerrp: | jk90090_: no, file logs only |
| [01:07:44] | sphery: | jk90090_: mythtv does cleanup of database tables |
| [01:07:46] | wagnerrp: | database is automatically cleaned up after two weeks |
| [01:07:47] | jya: | jk90090_: so with that application, you see no error in the audio playback with your device? |
| [01:07:59] | sphery: | automatically (and can't be disabled--so no worries on that) |
| [01:08:01] | jya: | what timezone are you in ? |
| [01:08:12] | jk90090_: | jya: only "requesting resend on 2 packets (port 63833)" |
| [01:08:28] | jk90090_: | jya: PST |
| [01:08:31] | jya: | jk90090_: and no dropout ? |
| [01:08:35] | jk90090_: | nope |
| [01:08:48] | jk90090_: | not that I could easily hear |
| [01:08:50] | jya: | so it's 6PM for you, what time do you go to bed? |
| [01:09:12] | jk90090_: | after 10 sometime |
| [01:09:20] | Unguided1: | wagnerrp: I just thought it would be easier to upgrade down the road. Guess I should have thought that through |
| [01:09:30] | jk90090_: | depends on my interest |
| [01:09:56] | wagnerrp: | Unguided1: very little difficulty in using hotswap bays |
| [01:10:04] | jya: | jk90090_: 10PM ? hum… may not have finished rewriting the RAOP server by then :( |
| [01:10:11] | jya: | 4 hours is a short time |
| [01:10:13] | wagnerrp: | only slightly more difficulty if using a case with side-loaded drives |
| [01:10:27] | jk90090_: | I'll be around tomorrow until 7pm PST too |
| [01:10:49] | Unguided1: | True |
| [01:10:59] | jk90090_: | so don't drive yourself crazy tongiht |
| [01:12:09] | jya: | jk90090_: so audio drop out have been giving my the crap too :) |
| [01:12:22] | jk90090_: | heheh |
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| [01:14:20] | jya: | plus, I wanted to rewrite that code, and that's much more easy and less frustrating to do than the other ticket I'm working on (#10602) |
| [01:14:20] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10602 ** | |
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| [01:16:08] | jk90090_: | yeah, you should fix the RAOP server first so you have something to listen to while you code the profile editor ;-) |
| [01:17:06] | jya: | it's not the profile editor I'm worried about, is that you can only have one active entry used during playback |
| [01:17:27] | jya: | I want to be able to have one profile that says "Hardware Accelerated" |
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| [01:17:45] | jya: | and it will try vdpau, vaapi until it falls back to software |
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| [01:17:55] | jk90090: | wagner: so the script does not like an existing build file being in place of the same name, it just ends up leaving a zero byte file in replacement |
| [01:18:47] | jk90090: | the build rebuild script I mean |
| [01:20:16] | jk90090: | I'll see if I can narrow down why and post a message later to save some hassles. I know you want to replace it entirely still |
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| [01:29:14] | bcgrown: | Is there any way to make the ff/rewind more accurate? It's always a couple seconds off when it resumes playback |
| [01:29:45] | Unguided1: | wagnerrp: what are you using for zfs? |
| [01:30:00] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
| [01:30:02] | jk90090: | bcgrown: you can adjust the ff/rewind seconds |
| [01:30:07] | wagnerrp: | freebsd 9.0 |
| [01:30:47] | jk90090: | not sure what you mean by it's a couple seconds off though, off compared to what? |
| [01:31:47] | jya: | jk90090: that shairplay stuff works great.. and there's volume control too |
| [01:32:32] | jk90090: | wagnerrp: --version=0.25 isn't sticking it seems, mythtv_version is coming out as v0.26 still .. hohum |
| [01:32:45] | skd5aner: | jya: shareplay? |
| [01:32:52] | bcgrown: | jk90090: Compared to the frame that's shown when it's paused. Makes it really hard to get to a specific spot. Is ff/rewind reposition amount the setting you're talking about? |
| [01:33:30] | jya: | skd5aner: https://github.com/albertz/shairport |
| [01:33:48] | jk90090: | jya: yeah, good stuff |
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| [01:33:52] | jya: | works brilliantly… not a single drop out, and packet not received are properly requested |
| [01:34:26] | skd5aner: | jya: hmmm, I'll have to give it a test and see if it accepts streams from itunes (As it claims in the readme) |
| [01:34:37] | jya: | let me try actually |
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| [01:34:54] | jya: | that would be an interesting test, because it would run on the same machine, one in a VM |
| [01:35:18] | jk90090: | jya: it does! |
| [01:35:29] | jya: | yeah ! |
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| [01:35:42] | jya: | it takes longer to start than the myth one |
| [01:35:43] | skd5aner: | it does, as in "itunes does stream"? |
| [01:35:49] | jya: | yep |
| [01:35:52] | jya: | no error |
| [01:35:54] | skd5aner: | sweeeet |
| [01:35:58] | Unguided1: | wagnerrp: I thought that was what you told me. I only went pc bsd b/c of lack of knowledge |
| [01:36:04] | jya: | well… I know what I'm going to do today ! |
| [01:36:11] | jya: | was supposed to work but eh... |
| [01:36:28] | ** skd5aner chants: "J Y A, J Y A, J Y A" ** | |
| [01:36:41] | skd5aner: | no pressure or anything ;) |
| [01:37:07] | jk90090: | maybe a little |
| [01:37:24] | skd5aner: | Unguided1: you are running BSD because that's what wagnerrp runs? |
| [01:38:08] | skd5aner: | Unguided1: and, you shouldn't be running BSD for mythtv anyway – much easier to run linux, or a mythtv distro |
| [01:38:39] | jk90090: | he also wants to run ZFS |
| [01:38:40] | wagnerrp: | im running bsd because... thats just what ive always used |
| [01:38:42] | wagnerrp: | not sure his reasons |
| [01:38:56] | jk90090: | and I guess wants it native? |
| [01:39:21] | wagnerrp: | well i was using zfs before it was even an option on linux |
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| [01:39:34] | wagnerrp: | or you mean Unguided1 |
| [01:39:38] | jk90090: | I meant Unguided1 |
| [01:39:41] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, BSD was my intro to *nix circa ~2000 |
| [01:40:08] | Unguided1: | jk90090 got it right. I want zfs plus a jail + zfs = virtual machine. Thanks wagnerrp |
| [01:40:11] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I used to know way more about it than linux, but it's been 7 years since I've touched it... I'd be a bit rusty to say the least |
| [01:41:11] | Unguided1: | plus bsd is pretty well documented in the handbook |
| [01:41:20] | jk90090: | crap, I'm kind of excited to see all the iDevices work now. Still can't get video running though |
| [01:41:29] | jk90090: | JYA |
| [01:41:31] | jk90090: | JYA |
| [01:41:32] | jk90090: | ;-) |
| [01:41:50] | jya: | my main grip with BSD is how painful it is to update any packages and the whole dist |
| [01:41:56] | jya: | sometimes it takes me a full day |
| [01:42:07] | wagnerrp: | jya: see something like portmaster |
| [01:42:15] | wagnerrp: | although i cant deny that it might take all day |
| [01:42:19] | jya: | if it wasn't for ZFS brilliance, I would have given up long ago |
| [01:42:26] | jya: | I use portmaster |
| [01:42:48] | jya: | but how many times you upgrade a package, it starts.. you leave, only to come back and see that it's waiting for you to answer a question? |
| [01:42:56] | jya: | you press enter, you leave, come back.. same deal |
| [01:43:01] | wagnerrp: | nah |
| [01:43:03] | jya: | last time I upgraded gnome |
| [01:43:08] | wagnerrp: | use one of the utilities |
| [01:43:08] | jya: | took me 2 days |
| [01:43:17] | wagnerrp: | they go through, scan for any packages that might require configuration |
| [01:43:20] | jya: | as I cant be in front of the machine all the time |
| [01:43:24] | wagnerrp: | and do all that stuff up front |
| [01:43:42] | jya: | the other things that screwed me up big time is the openssl port package |
| [01:43:54] | jya: | I compiled the nss_ldap plugin |
| [01:44:03] | jya: | it built against openssl from port |
| [01:44:09] | Unguided1: | wagnerrp how does freebsd compare to openindiana? |
| [01:44:16] | wagnerrp: | that whole process is part of the reason i switched everything to jails |
| [01:44:34] | jk90090: | Could I troublesome for the correct mythtv_version and mythtv_rev values for today's 0.25 branch? |
| [01:44:45] | jya: | when you use it, you find out that now you can't login because of the various openssl version (system one and port use in ldap module) |
| [01:44:59] | skd5aner: | OpenIndiana? |
| [01:45:03] | skd5aner: | wtf is that? |
| [01:45:10] | wagnerrp: | fork of the now defunct solaris |
| [01:45:12] | jya: | it's opensolaris fork |
| [01:45:18] | skd5aner: | ahhhhhhhhh, ok |
| [01:45:18] | wagnerrp: | dont know much about it |
| [01:45:29] | jya: | I learnt unix on BSD and solaris |
| [01:45:33] | wagnerrp: | theres that and nexanta |
| [01:45:34] | Unguided1: | skd5aner: http://openindiana.org/ |
| [01:45:40] | skd5aner: | yea, reading it now |
| [01:45:41] | jya: | tried solaris again last year, I gave up.. too different |
| [01:45:52] | jya: | nexanta is very different though.. |
| [01:46:02] | jya: | it's a ubuntu distrib on a opensolaris kernel |
| [01:46:23] | jya: | I tried it as I wanted to test the kernel smb server |
| [01:46:25] | skd5aner: | what's with the name? Indiana? |
| [01:46:54] | jya: | but it turned out to be such a pain to config, having to manually map all the user to the windows uid counterpart |
| [01:47:06] | Unguided1: | skd5aner: http://openindiana.org/ |
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| [01:48:11] | skd5aner: | Unguided1: I'm missing where it mentions how they derived the name |
| [01:49:12] | Unguided1: | skd5aner: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Frequently+Asked+Questions/ |
| [01:49:20] | skd5aner: | Indiana is the codename/name of the previous official Sun Microsystems |
| [01:49:20] | skd5aner: | >>>> OpenSolaris distribution. |
| [01:49:34] | skd5aner: | so, they stuck with the codename and are considering keeping it as such |
| [01:49:54] | skd5aner: | in otherwords, they completely made it up |
| [01:50:22] | skd5aner: | I'm ok with it – I grew up in Indiana |
| [01:50:35] | Unguided1: | skd5aner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenIndiana |
| [01:50:39] | skd5aner: | anything to give that state a little bit more publicity |
| [01:50:44] | jya: | who said they were using squeebox to play audio? |
| [01:51:02] | jya: | thie shairport stuff has a squeezebox plugin |
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| [02:16:05] | jk90090: | wagnerrp: in case you might care, re: the rebuild python script, if I use --version=0.25 only, it autoselects master and pulls in 0.26 |
| [02:16:38] | wagnerrp: | not so much, ive got a replacement mostly written |
| [02:17:20] | jk90090: | wagnerrp: if I then use --version=0.25 --branch=fixes/0.25 , the script will autoslect the correct hash, but then looks at the already downloaded github pull to find the shortened hash, which would be very bad |
| [02:17:25] | jk90090: | I think, right? |
| [02:18:17] | jk90090: | the fix is to delete the /usr/portage/distfiles/mythtv-xxxxxx file its trying to read |
| [02:18:37] | jk90090: | so it downloads it again… food for though for the replacement at least |
| [02:18:43] | wagnerrp: | the distro file should be named off the ebuild version, not the one that it seems to have ignored |
| [02:20:42] | jk90090: | the distro file later when you try to emerge will be, but by that point the damage is already done |
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| [03:23:51] | jk90090: | jya: checking out, may log on later tonight, over wise back on tomorrow |
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| [03:58:32] | k-man: | whats the status of mythcenter (non wide |
| [03:58:38] | k-man: | in .25? |
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| [05:54:24] | Beirdo: | oh that makes me feel just great. |
| [05:54:33] | Beirdo: | turn my old devel machine back on... |
| [05:54:39] | Beirdo: | clunk clunk |
| [05:54:52] | Beirdo: | whrrrrrrrr. clunk clunk |
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| [06:03:23] | Beirdo: | yup, down another 250G drive, it seems |
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| [06:09:49] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [06:10:07] | Beirdo: | and as expected... the stuff I needed.... on the dead disk |
| [06:10:14] | Beirdo: | EAT ME |
| [06:13:30] | Beirdo: | whew |
| [06:13:44] | Beirdo: | saved by the github |
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| [11:04:53] | justinh: | jya_: yeah I was asleep. I'll do my damndest to test any patch you have for fixing the passthrough issue even if it means kicking my wife off the frontend for 10 minutes. to save myself hassle I'll probably set up a temp. install directory though. Had to make clean to undo the last changes. rebuilding alone seemingly wasn't enough |
| [11:05:08] | jya: | I've committed the change to master |
| [11:05:45] | jya: | use that changeset.. I'm fairly confident it fixes the issue you were seeting… I actually few a few places that were broken for using a separate spdif device |
| [11:05:54] | jya: | I wonder how it ever worked for you in particular |
| [11:05:58] | jya: | most wouldn't have seen it |
| [11:06:09] | justinh: | before 0.25 you mean? |
| [11:06:20] | jya: | only if your main device had a description with the word "analog" |
| [11:06:28] | jya: | yeah, issue was there in 0.24 too |
| [11:06:52] | justinh: | heh. I dunno. it just worked before.Only noticed a problem when I updated |
| [11:06:54] | jya: | there are two thinks with your audio device that I had never seen before |
| [11:07:22] | jya: | the first was that it was marked as analog, so when it goes to open digital it thinks: oh I can't |
| [11:07:24] | jya: | and the other |
| [11:07:35] | jya: | your device reports supporting only float audio and 32 bits. |
| [11:07:44] | jya: | not 16 bits, i've *never* seen this before |
| [11:07:50] | justinh: | I did a naughty db hack, setting MaxChannels to 6 yesterday before you did the 1st patch & it worked alright |
| [11:07:54] | jya: | (and I've seen my share of alsa device) |
| [11:08:14] | jya: | there was no need to do that, -O MaxChannels=6 |
| [11:08:24] | justinh: | doh. Heh. |
| [11:08:36] | jya: | but that wouldn't have worked either.. no way |
| [11:08:56] | jya: | MaxChannels is just a hint to determine how many channels you can use |
| [11:09:03] | jya: | its used like |
| [11:09:05] | justinh: | anyway that no longer works seemingly. I should be seeing my AV amp's display change to 'DOLBY DIGITAL' when putting Ac3 over spdif |
| [11:09:22] | jya: | max_channels = min(GetSetting(MAX_CHANNE), what_the_device_report) |
| [11:09:28] | justinh: | you can disbelieve me all you like :-) |
| [11:09:29] | jya: | it was reporting 2, so 2 would be used |
| [11:09:46] | jya: | software placebo |
| [11:09:47] | justinh: | maybe alsa is broken. owuldn't be the 1st time |
| [11:10:04] | jya: | the issue you were seeing in the log you posted last night |
| [11:10:43] | jya: | your device reports not support 16 bits, passthrough can't work without 16 bits audio, it would have disabled passthrough… was reading the wrong settings |
| [11:11:02] | jya: | as in 99% of the case, passthrough device == main device : never saw the problem |
| [11:11:06] | justinh: | really? that's mad |
| [11:11:09] | jya: | anyhow.. all done |
| [11:11:28] | jya: | well, how long has 0.24 been out? |
| [11:11:30] | justinh: | cool. I'll take a look through the changeset & try it out proper as soon as I can |
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| [11:11:41] | jya: | and you report it today, no-one ever commented on it |
| [11:11:56] | jya: | let me give you the changeset |
| [11:12:13] | justinh: | the hardware in my frontend.. AFAIK only one other mythtv user has it |
| [11:12:26] | justinh: | !seen dibblah |
| [11:12:26] | MythLogBot: | dibblah was last seen 641 days 17 hours 41 minutes 27 seconds ago |
| [11:12:33] | justinh: | hahaha. long gone, baby |
| [11:12:45] | jya: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/9839dd7 . . . 02fc/mythtv |
| [11:12:54] | justinh: | cheers |
| [11:13:15] | ** justinh wonders what kind of idiot audio device reports not supporting 16 bits ** | |
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| [11:13:19] | jya: | every single line change, is a bug itself |
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| [11:13:48] | jya: | actually, no.. I did see some USB high-end audio device reporting float only |
| [11:13:54] | justinh: | it's all my fault. I mean if I'd got off my ass & tested a dev version of mythtv once in a while... |
| [11:14:21] | justinh: | jya_: it's an ALC882 – I thought that was pretty common |
| [11:14:39] | jya: | it is |
| [11:14:41] | justinh: | uses the HDA Intel driver supposedly |
| [11:14:54] | jya: | I have one of those in my previous backend |
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| [11:15:50] | jya: | alright, going back to my laptop, so I can sit next to the wifey |
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| [11:24:31] | justinh: | jya: just built a little prog called alsacap.c – seems to say my audio can do S16_LE & S32_LE |
| [11:25:47] | jya__: | not in the log you provided : http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/10621/drop.log#L51 |
| [11:25:49] | justinh: | part of the 'fun' I had yesterday was that I forgot I had a) unplugged my USB audio device and b) was still starting squeezeslave which was falling back to grab the main device because the USB one wasn't there |
| [11:26:16] | jya__: | default:CARD=Intel |
| [11:26:34] | jya__: | this caused this: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/10621/drop.log#L84 |
| [11:26:54] | jya__: | Audio processing enabled, which explained the whole series of Passthrough activated with audio processing. Dropping audio |
| [11:27:03] | justinh: | ah |
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| [11:27:09] | jya__: | it was good you did so, because I didn't handle that case... |
| [11:27:18] | jya__: | it is so rare |
| [11:29:28] | justinh: | heh me & my obscure stuff. My last frontend had a really weird bug under ubuntu where the spdif output sometimes didn't even show up. man,that was frustrating. |
| [11:30:13] | justinh: | I'm actually starting to look fwd to just squirting everything up the HDMI |
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| [11:32:51] | justinh: | hmmm. I can pretty much test this changeset while I'm at work – everything bar watching & listening to my AV amp |
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| [11:35:11] | jya__: | the log will easily tell you what device is being used |
| [11:35:16] | jya__: | and if you are seeing any errors |
| [11:36:54] | justinh: | yeah that's what I figure |
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| [11:37:12] | jya__: | if you output the log , I can have a look |
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| [11:48:05] | justinh: | I can check the settings page works with VNC too. Building now |
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| [11:54:12] | justinh: | jya: http://pastebin.com/ppVJ7kxm looks like that did the trick :-) |
| [11:55:14] | jya__: | no failure after that ? |
| [11:55:55] | justinh: | seems not |
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| [11:58:30] | justinh: | getting my wife to switch on the AV amp now. This is remote control! LOL |
| [11:59:50] | jya__: | I'll put it on my list for backports |
| [12:01:02] | justinh: | yeah my wife confirms the AV receiver is outputting surround sound now. |
| [12:01:09] | justinh: | I think I owe you some beer |
| [12:01:49] | pepsiman: | wow, a wife that can tell when surround sound is working |
| [12:02:14] | justinh: | she confirmed the AV amp said "DOLBY DIGITAL" on the display |
| [12:03:03] | justinh: | same diff, to me. When I was testing yesterday she said she couldn't really tell.. so I said.. WHAT THE HELL AM I SWEATING OVER ALL THIS FOR THEN?! |
| [12:03:18] | justinh: | /headdesk |
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| [12:04:13] | quicksilver: | according to elreg they are finally turning crystal palace up to full strength |
| [12:04:19] | quicksilver: | that should fix my signal problems I hope |
| [12:04:28] | quicksilver: | although I may have to take out my amplifier |
| [12:04:31] | justinh: | quicksilver: or make them 10db worse :P |
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| [12:05:29] | justinh: | any UK'ers seen this? It's funny (IMHO) http://twitpic.com/9b71y9 |
| [12:06:03] | quicksilver: | justinh: well, in theory an increase of 10dB of signal without an increase in noise ought to be an improvement. We'll see. |
| [12:06:21] | pepsiman: | Sandy Heath gets the COM4 multiplex back to full power on May 9th :) |
| [12:06:54] | quicksilver: | I still have to rescan my which means I need to rember how to reassign channel IDs :( |
| [12:06:59] | quicksilver: | I mean, reassing xmltvids |
| [12:07:13] | justinh: | find goat. sacrifice goat... |
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| [12:09:24] | justinh: | saw all the comments when people have switched over last half term... "WTH is this? GAY RABBIT channel?". Hahahaha |
| [12:10:02] | justinh: | oh yeah Channel M is closing, after all the government's hot air about local TV |
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| [12:10:19] | justinh: | what's Andy Crane going to do now? |
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| [12:44:42] | pepsiman: | How does mythtv know whether an inetref is for themoviedb or thetvdb? |
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| [12:51:20] | pepsiman: | as 76719 appears in both and mythweb is using the wrong one |
| [13:02:01] | locuse: | hi. i have a mythtv backend installed on a linux/64 box, connected to an HDHomeRun tuner. @ shell, i can access the tuners, scan for channels, etc. with either cmd line tools or a tvheadend backend. |
| [13:02:11] | locuse: | with my setup, every channel reports gtom 95–100% signalstenth. in mythtv-setup, when i attempt to do a "Full" channel scan, signalstrengths never make it past ~50%, the vast majority of channels report "TimedOut, no signal". with a couple reporting "Probable channels". |
| [13:02:16] | locuse: | AS an alternative, I've tried to import a channels.conf generated by w_scan, but get a "no channels found" message on scan. no luck. |
| [13:02:40] | locuse: | how do i get a successful channel scan with mythtv like i do with other apps? |
| [13:03:13] | wagnerrp: | w_scan supports the HDHomeRun communications protocol? |
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| [13:03:42] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was only for tuners accessed through the DVB API |
| [13:04:29] | wagnerrp: | wait... |
| [13:04:54] | wagnerrp: | locuse: doesn't tvheadend require some funky virtual tuner driver to access the HDHR? |
| [13:05:12] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to use that |
| [13:05:23] | wagnerrp: | remove that module from the kernel |
| [13:05:31] | wagnerrp: | and let mythtv access the HDHR natively |
| [13:06:07] | locuse: | wagnerrp: rmmod all? |
| [13:06:32] | wagnerrp: | all? why would you remove all modules? |
| [13:06:48] | locuse: | sigh. all the dvb* drivers ... |
| [13:07:01] | wagnerrp: | just the 'dvbhdhomerun' or whatever you installed to allow tvheadend to access the HDHR |
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| [13:07:19] | locuse: | right. that's a yes, then. brb. |
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| [13:10:50] | locuse: | wagnerrp: rm'd the mods, restarted mythtv-setup, reexec'd the scan. alas, same issue. |
| [13:12:38] | wagnerrp: | you have defined this as a HDHR with an autodetected serial number, and not a DVB tuner with a device node on the filesystem, correct? |
| [13:12:56] | locuse: | wagnerrp: yes, that's correct. |
| [13:13:05] | wagnerrp: | broadcast or cable? |
| [13:13:24] | locuse: | wagnerrp: broadcast. US, NorCal. |
| [13:13:55] | wagnerrp: | youre scanning a broadcast channel map? 8VSB modulation? |
| [13:14:02] | locuse: | yes |
| [13:15:54] | locuse: | wagnerrp: i've also increased scan/tune timeouts to 6000ms, just in case. no effect, afaict |
| [13:16:38] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv is this? |
| [13:17:57] | locuse: | wagnerrp: git -> * fixes/0.25 |
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| [13:23:46] | locuse: | wagnerrp: more accurately, MythTV Version : v0.25-35-g674e37a, MythTV Branch : fixes/0.25 |
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| [14:11:25] | locuse: | wagnerrp: as an alterative to the failing scans, I w_scan'd an init.txt, then dvbscan'd a channels.conf (http://pastebin.com/V6AHsQpQ). in MythTV channel scan, i selected "import channels.conf", and pointed to that file. On exec, I get simply — "Failed to find any channels" |
| [14:15:41] | locuse: | the conole output for that process shows a bunch of errors -> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WMxqFQ4T |
| [14:17:00] | wagnerrp: | the channels.conf import has known problems and is not recommended |
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| [14:18:13] | locuse: | wagnerrp: hadn't found any admonitions against it. that's unfortunate. so, any options here? |
| [14:18:26] | wagnerrp: | could i see a log of the internal scan? |
| [14:19:11] | locuse: | wagnerrp: sure. just from console? or a particular log somewhere? and, in either case, can/should i turn up verbosity for you? |
| [14:19:32] | wagnerrp: | standard verbosity, whatever comes out on the console |
| [14:19:43] | locuse: | wagnerrp: brb |
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| [14:23:40] | locuse: | wagnerrp: on exec of the Full Scan, 1st/immediate output to console is: http://pastebin.com/44xNU0yf. no further output (yet) at console while the scan's executing — a bit slowly, as i've still got those 6sec timeouts in place. |
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| [14:26:28] | wagnerrp: | you are supposed to select one of the available channels from that drop down for mythtv to start on |
| [14:26:52] | wagnerrp: | since there were no valid channels scanned in, it listed some default help text |
| [14:27:02] | wagnerrp: | which was longer than the database field it was to be stored to |
| [14:30:14] | locuse: | wagnerrp: which drop down — starting channel? that dropdown field is populated prior to scan with "Please add channels to the source ..." and no drop down |
| [14:31:38] | wagnerrp: | correct, there is only the empty help text, as there were not channels to select from |
| [14:33:14] | locuse: | wagnerrp: it would seem to me that since you can't have any dropdown values until after the scan, reporting a "database error" for that fact is not the most appropriate form of message. in any case, here's the rest of the log output: |
| [14:33:16] | locuse: | wagnerrp: here's the complete |
| [14:33:31] | locuse: | oops, http://pastebin.com/Fradqs2W |
| [14:37:52] | locuse: | wagnerrp: after the scan, on return to the "Connect source to input" menu, there's still no option for 'starting channel'. |
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| [15:10:21] | locuse: | wagnerrp: fwiw, i just repeated the process with a 2nd HDHR, on a different physical server, with a new/fresh build of Myth .25/fixes. same issue — no channels. |
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| [16:46:39] | yunosh: | hi. the airplay wiki page states that streaming from itunes doesn't work yet. what's the reason for that? does it use a different key, or are the technical reasons? |
| [16:48:16] | wagnerrp: | itunes has some additional authentication check or something |
| [16:50:31] | yunosh: | sounds like the old DAAP issue? |
| [16:50:47] | wagnerrp: | dont know anything about DAAP |
| [16:52:43] | yunosh: | pre-airtunes media sharing protocol. at some point appled added authentication to that, so that all clients that used to work with itunes as a media server ceased to work |
| [16:52:58] | yunosh: | still hasn't been, ehm, worked-around yet so far |
| [16:53:04] | yunosh: | afaik |
| [16:53:48] | yunosh: | anyway, back to airplay, is this something that simply will keep itunes support from working for a foreseeable future, or is this being worked on? |
| [16:54:06] | wagnerrp: | i believe yes to both |
| [16:54:37] | yunosh: | heh |
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| [17:53:48] | locuse: | other than internal scanning @mythtv-setup stage, is their an alternative for getting channels 'into' mythtv-backend? |
| [17:54:38] | wagnerrp: | it *should* work |
| [17:54:44] | lis0r: | \i keep getting vedeo framed buffering failed too many times since upgrading to 0.25 :( |
| [17:54:59] | wagnerrp: | the only potential issue i saw in there was that mysql error about 'processed' not allowing NULL |
| [17:55:04] | wagnerrp: | which seemed odd |
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| [17:57:33] | locuse: | wagnerrp: i assumed that it 'should' ... setup & install of tvheadend is trivial — i get to a working pvr in minutes. unfortunely, it's unstable, and won't *stay* working. mythtv's my hopeful 'much more stable/functinal' alternative, but atm ... |
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| [17:58:19] | locuse: | i've tried now with both 0.24/fixes and 0.25/fixes branches. neither can scan successfully. |
| [17:58:32] | wagnerrp: | i could say the same... i could get mythtv up and running from scratch in under five minutes (and have done so for testing) |
| [17:58:41] | wagnerrp: | its the learning curve, and knowing where everything is... |
| [17:59:13] | wagnerrp: | hopefully that will be significantly improved when mythtv-setup gets scrapped in 0.26 (or maybe 0.27) |
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| [18:00:05] | locuse: | the build & config for myth are not a problem. just the scanning afaict. so, no options for me until "0.26 (or maybe 0.27)"? |
| [18:00:42] | wagnerrp: | well no... im saying either you're doing something wrong, or youve discovered a pretty serious |
| [18:00:42] | wagnerrp: | bug |
| [18:00:55] | wagnerrp: | (being unable to scan HDHR devices is pretty serious) |
| [18:01:44] | wagnerrp: | my other comment was that mythtv is difficult to set up if you know where everything is, it just is confusing if you dont know the terminology or the steps |
| [18:02:01] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing to really guide you through and make intelligent guesses about things |
| [18:02:32] | wagnerrp: | the plan is to change that when mythtv-setup gets scrapped, and initial setup moves to a web server integrated in the backend, similar to how tvheadend operates |
| [18:02:39] | locuse: | is there some convenient way to extract/export the complete, current config so as to be able to write up a bug? |
| [18:03:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know your way around the database... any idea wbout http://pastebin.com/Fradqs2W starting at line 87? |
| [18:04:16] | locuse: | wagnerrp: as far as i've gotten, imo, the inputs/process for mythtv are more intuitive than those for tvheadend ... |
| [18:04:46] | locuse: | lots of "wtf is this?" in that app. |
| [18:05:09] | wagnerrp: | right, but theres no 'wizard' or 'simple mode' |
| [18:05:24] | wagnerrp: | i.e. in the scanner, you have to know what all those little options are, and what you are supposed to do |
| [18:05:38] | wagnerrp: | rather than the application making an educated guess based off your locale and tuner type |
| [18:05:41] | locuse: | wagnerrp: heh, installed tvheadend lately? ;-) |
| [18:05:49] | wagnerrp: | actually, never have |
| [18:06:05] | locuse: | you may wish to hold that opinion! |
| [18:06:18] | wagnerrp: | well at least... were moving to a web/html based configuration like tvheadend |
| [18:06:29] | locuse: | heh, yes. |
| [18:08:37] | locuse: | wagnerrp: is master branch likely worth a try as yet, compared to 0.25/fixes? iiuc, 0.25 release was failry recent — guessing thay haven't diverged TOO much yet. |
| [18:09:05] | wagnerrp: | no, if there were a known scanning issue this early after release, it would have been backported |
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| [18:12:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: could there have been something changed recently that caused strict behavior on inserts? |
| [18:12:59] | wagnerrp: | something that would have turned a NOT NULL warning into an error? |
| [18:13:35] | Seeker`: | anyone here in the london DSO region? |
| [18:14:02] | wagnerrp: | locuse: you said this was from source? |
| [18:14:11] | locuse: | wagnerrp: yup. |
| [18:14:36] | locuse: | packaging on my @distro is atrocious for anything server ... i build. |
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| [18:17:04] | locuse: | wagnerrp: a thought ... what's the result of 'mysql -e "SELECT @@SESSION.sql_mode;"' on any of your running systems? |
| [18:18:13] | wagnerrp: | see what http://pastebin.com/DU9A7bRG does |
| [18:18:38] | wagnerrp: | turns up blank |
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| [18:20:45] | locuse: | blank? i *guess* that means 'default'. mine's == strict_trans_tables, (https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/serve . . . ans_tables). as it is on ALL my production boxes. which defines --> "If a value could not be inserted as given into a transactional table, abort the statement". |
| [18:21:14] | locuse: | ah, "The default value is empty (no modes set)" |
| [18:21:18] | wagnerrp: | @@GLOBAL and @@SESSION are just an empty box |
| [18:21:39] | wagnerrp: | all of this stuff is MyISAM, no transactions |
| [18:21:45] | wagnerrp: | (unless youve been tinkering) |
| [18:22:32] | locuse: | wagnerrp: i haven't touched any of the source. i, of course, have my own-configured mysql. |
| [18:22:55] | wagnerrp: | i mean unless youve manipulated any of the tables to alter the engine |
| [18:23:29] | wagnerrp: | myisam is specifically enforced by the code that creates the tables, so it could only happen if you modified them after they were created |
| [18:23:41] | locuse: | all i did was manually created the empty db ... nothing else |
| [18:24:28] | wagnerrp: | ok |
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| [18:24:40] | wagnerrp: | there is at least one dev and a handful of users who do run InnoDB |
| [18:25:06] | wagnerrp: | and the plan is to switch to that once we switch to an embedded mysql server, and can control the tuning parameters (rather than using the typically poor ones provided by distros) |
| [18:25:36] | locuse: | wagnerrp: all table types for my mythtv db show status as == MyISAM — except for one. table " schemalock" --> InnoDB |
| [18:25:54] | locuse: | re: poor configs. amen to that. |
| [18:26:11] | locuse: | (makes you wonder what they're smoking sometimes ...) |
| [18:26:14] | wagnerrp: | but there are some users who get themselves into trouble, knowing a moderate amount about mysql, but not enough to be able to read through the schema updates and know when something is going to cause trouble and need to be manually walked forward |
| [18:26:19] | ** wagnerrp falls into that category ** | |
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| [18:28:35] | wizbit: | when are UK users meant to re-tune again? |
| [18:28:57] | wizbit: | i have lots of grey recordings :-S |
| [18:29:22] | wagnerrp: | grey? |
| [18:29:43] | wizbit: | yep thats means they are blank |
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| [18:30:12] | wagnerrp: | ive heard some complaints about the Crystal Palace transmitter coming back online and causing conflicting tuning information for users in its vicinity |
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| [18:31:35] | locuse: | can mythtv-setup window (via X11 forwarding from backend box) be convinced to run !fullscreen, but in a window? atm, it's on its own virtual desktop, but still rather an annoyance ... |
| [18:32:18] | wagnerrp: | --windowed |
| [18:32:24] | wagnerrp: | you may also want --mouse-cursor |
| [18:32:40] | jams: | or even --geometry 320x320 |
| [18:32:50] | locuse: | duh. thx :-{ |
| [18:32:52] | jams: | change out 320x320 for your preference |
| [18:33:08] | wagnerrp: | both options are configurable in the frontend, and mythtv-setup merely follows what is configured for that host |
| [18:34:07] | locuse: | much better ... |
| [18:34:29] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: i think i need to retune |
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| [18:39:18] | wizbit: | ssh forward X is a nice way to edit mythtv-setup :D |
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| [18:46:58] | locuse: | wagnerrp: changing the sql_mode == '' gets rid of the complaining @console. still doesn't change the no-channels biz, tho |
| [18:48:05] | locuse: | i've launched backend with loglevel->debug. there's still no output @ console *During* the scan. i suppose may have to do a =debug build and resort to gdb. |
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| [18:49:58] | locuse: | wizbit: !!! it worked? at least, I now have a "Starting channel" in the "Connect source to input" dialog. |
| [18:50:19] | locuse: | oops, wagnerrp |
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| [18:57:48] | locuse: | yup, for that step, "sql_mode=strict_trans_tables" is a problem. switch to "sql_mode=" and it completes. in ChannelEditor i now see all my channels |
| [19:02:31] | locuse: | sigh. Icon Scanning is a disaster — "E Error from search : #". abort. moving on ... |
| [19:04:49] | skd5aner: | yunosh: one of the devs found another project that has better success playing back to airplay via itunes, so he has put it on his todo list to look into it – no promises it'll yield promising results or not |
| [19:05:12] | skd5aner: | (or a time frame of when he'll even be able to look into it further) |
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| [19:16:14] | justinh: | jya: I haven't changed any alsa config, or updated anything in the OS so I'm out of ideas |
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| [19:16:54] | skd5aner: | justinh: yea, do it the way everyone else does it |
| [19:16:56] | skd5aner: | :P |
| [19:17:16] | skd5aner: | heh ;) |
| [19:18:13] | justinh: | I had no reason to change anything else. audio was working fine til I updated mythtv :P |
| [19:19:19] | justinh: | IIRC the device was set to ALSA:default before I updated. I can dig a db backup out & confirm that |
| [19:22:01] | locuse: | \0/ ! "mythfilldatabase run complete." |
| [19:22:17] | justinh: | jya: maybe I was mistaken in thinking passthrough was working. my wife hadn't complained that certain films she watches repeatedly didn't have sound, so I didn't get to hear about it ;-) |
| [19:22:54] | wagnerrp: | locuse: note, you may have to manually align the channels with the XMLTV IDs found on the schedules direct website |
| [19:23:39] | wagnerrp: | mythfilldatabase will attempt to do that automatically as best it can, but will not make a guess if the callsigns do not exactly match |
| [19:24:24] | locuse: | wagnerrp: not sure what that exactly means, as yet ... but, noted. |
| [19:25:05] | wagnerrp: | mythfilldatabase pulls guide data from schedules direct, it must know what those channels are in relation to the channels in the guide data |
| [19:25:14] | wagnerrp: | that matching is performed using the XMLTV ID |
| [19:25:51] | wagnerrp: | it will attempt to set those as best it can using the callsign found in the broadcast during the scan |
| [19:26:14] | wagnerrp: | but some things may not match exactly, and you will have to define the XMLTV ID manually before that channel will get data |
| [19:29:50] | locuse: | wagnerrp: ah, so 'broadcast callsign' may have a (slightly) different string value than 'channel name' in XMLTV ID ... |
| [19:30:22] | wagnerrp: | close, the broadcast callsign that gets picked up in the database as the channel name may not exactly match the channel name on schedules direct |
| [19:30:50] | wagnerrp: | in which case automatic lookup will fail, and you have to set the id manually |
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| [19:32:01] | locuse: | wagnerrp: got it,thx. |
| [19:32:59] | locuse: | i _thought_ i'd read that mythtv has a bundled DLNA server ... no? minidlna is ez enuf, but if it's redundant ... |
| [19:33:25] | wagnerrp: | UPNP server, yes... mostly compatible with DLNA hardware |
| [19:33:34] | wagnerrp: | however there is no transcoding support at this time |
| [19:33:46] | wagnerrp: | so the device must be able to handle the content as it exists on disk |
| [19:33:58] | wagnerrp: | which means MPEG2 and AC3 in a TS |
| [19:34:12] | wagnerrp: | (mythtv just stores it as it comes from the broadcaster) |
| [19:34:25] | locuse: | ah, so not Matroska/MKV? |
| [19:34:46] | wagnerrp: | you can set up a user job to transcode it offline |
| [19:35:14] | wagnerrp: | but digital recordings are effectively just dumped to disk |
| [19:35:48] | ** locuse digs thru trash for %*&^* bluray player's manual ... ** | |
| [19:36:31] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2+ac3+ts is a valid bluray format |
| [19:36:40] | wagnerrp: | well, technically m2ts rather than ts, but nearly identical |
| [19:37:01] | wagnerrp: | if your bluray player does not support playback of that content, it is an artificial limitation |
| [19:37:48] | wagnerrp: | on the contrary, at least for my PS3, ts and m2ts tend to be the "allow all" container |
| [19:38:31] | wagnerrp: | while it is picky what it will accept in ps, avi, and mp4 containers, it will basically use anything its hardware decoder can handle if in a ts container |
| [19:39:04] | wagnerrp: | which is actually a problem for some users that perform "lossless transcoding" |
| [19:39:47] | wagnerrp: | mythtv's "lossless" transcoder will apply the commercial cutlist, fix up the handful of orphaned P-frames around the cutpoints, and stuff it all into a PS |
| [19:39:59] | wagnerrp: | and the PS3 does not accept AC3 audio in a PS container |
| [19:40:42] | yunosh: | skd5aner: thanks |
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| [19:42:38] | skd5aner: | nuvexport is so much more fun with 4 cores |
| [19:42:58] | wagnerrp: | well.. at least if using a multithreaded codec |
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| [19:43:19] | skd5aner: | h264 |
| [19:43:43] | skd5aner: | or, x264 – however you want to look at it |
| [19:43:47] | Beirdo: | I want a vacation |
| [19:44:06] | wagnerrp: | h264 |
| [19:44:15] | wagnerrp: | x264 is just a compressor (not a codec) |
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| [19:44:39] | Beirdo: | so? |
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| [19:45:05] | Beirdo: | as half of a codec (the co half) it's multithreaded :) |
| [19:45:53] | Beirdo: | yay, down to 237 critical alarms |
| [19:45:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but we dont do ffmpeg-mt yet, so it has to be the codec that supports it natively, since the compressors arent going to provide it themselves by doing something fancy |
| [19:46:26] | wagnerrp: | or will we after the sync? |
| [19:46:27] | Beirdo: | that doens't make any sense |
| [19:46:37] | Beirdo: | a compressor IS a codec |
| [19:46:43] | Beirdo: | it just doesn't decode |
| [19:46:49] | wagnerrp: | so its not a codec |
| [19:46:51] | wagnerrp: | just a co--- |
| [19:47:13] | Beirdo: | and it supports threading natively |
| [19:47:17] | wagnerrp: | bah... not worth arguing |
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| [19:47:28] | Beirdo: | that's why I say doesn't compute :) |
| [19:47:48] | Beirdo: | it will be even BETTER with the decoding side multithreaded |
| [19:47:54] | wagnerrp: | i mean the h264 format is designed for multithreading, using independent parallel domains |
| [19:48:00] | wagnerrp: | encoding and decoding |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:48:08] | Beirdo: | and we have both |
| [19:48:28] | Beirdo: | just the source material is sliced such that it only uses one thread |
| [19:48:37] | wagnerrp: | where as the ffmpeg-mt stuff does fancy things to allow it for codecs that do not support multithreaded operation |
| [19:48:39] | Beirdo: | if decoding from HDPVR |
| [19:48:42] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [19:48:57] | Beirdo: | I'm not sure how much of that is incorporated quite yet |
| [19:50:06] | skd5aner: | either way – things are finally starting to autoexpire that I don't want to autoexpire – time to archive using nuvexport... figured a lot of this stuff woudl be better off stored as h264 instead of mpeg2 |
| [19:50:12] | locuse: | wagnerrp: this player (Panasonic BDT220 ... recently released) claims it requires a "DLNA Certified Media Server" for Network media playback. It doesn't identify if all of its supported file formats (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/formatj.png/) as being supported ... staring at that, I see neither "mpeg2", "ac3" nor "m2ts". so either there's a synonym, or transcoding's required on my end. |
| [19:50:47] | locuse: | s/as being supported/as being supported *for DLNA*/ |
| [19:51:05] | wagnerrp: | the DLNA standard is effectively just the UPNP standard, but with a mandatory fallback format |
| [19:51:25] | wagnerrp: | AIUI, all DLNA certified devices must be able to transcode into a common format to ensure compatibility |
| [19:51:36] | locuse: | wagnerrp: ok, so THAT box is 'checked' ... |
| [19:52:19] | wagnerrp: | of course, there is nothing stopping a player from refusing to interface with a "lowly UPNP server" that doesnt identify itself as DLNA certified |
| [19:52:30] | locuse: | assuming on of those listed IS that 'common format', that's not one of the formats that myth stores as, right? |
| [19:52:56] | wagnerrp: | im thinking mpeg2 is the common format |
| [19:53:17] | locuse: | wagnerrp: it's not listed ... |
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| [19:54:27] | wagnerrp: | well as mentioned, the format mythtv records in will be very similar to that found on bluray discs |
| [19:54:40] | wagnerrp: | so if it cant play it, its due to an artificial limitation |
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| [19:57:44] | locuse: | i'd be happier if i could read the same format specified on, but before i futz with building mediatomb for transcoding support, i'll get a myth frontend built, records something, and try the silly thing out. |
| [20:00:37] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: not sure nuvexport is respecting the audio bitrate override |
| [20:00:46] | skd5aner: | (or entering it at all) |
| [20:00:55] | Beirdo: | you'd need to be a LOT more specific than that :) |
| [20:01:13] | Beirdo: | which encoder choice, etc |
| [20:01:18] | skd5aner: | selecting h264 as the output, you can select what you want the audio bitrate to be (defaults to 64) |
| [20:01:34] | skd5aner: | I entered, 128, but looking at the command line, it never sets it at all |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | one sec |
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| [20:03:45] | fugg: | hello |
| [20:03:47] | locuse: | and i guess that font end needs to by mythtv itself, as xmbc-pvr's mythtv frontend is non-functional :-/ |
| [20:03:48] | locuse: | wagnerrp thx for the help! lunchtime <--- |
| [20:03:54] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: looking at the video file in MediaInfo now, it still shows that it encoded at 64K AAC |
| [20:04:13] | Beirdo: | it's there in the code |
| [20:04:22] | Beirdo: | do a --debug run |
| [20:04:32] | Beirdo: | it should be there on the final pass |
| [20:04:36] | skd5aner: | I did... (doing single pass) |
| [20:04:46] | fugg: | if i changed a storage-location and copied contents, myth fails on that files because they were marked for the old location. how can i correct this ? |
| [20:05:08] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: http://pastebin.com/MApziucx |
| [20:05:28] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: no -ab flag? |
| [20:05:30] | wagnerrp: | fugg: mythtv does not know where you store files |
| [20:05:43] | wagnerrp: | it only knows the location relative to the root of the storage directory |
| [20:05:49] | Beirdo: | ooooh |
| [20:05:54] | Beirdo: | I see the problem |
| [20:05:59] | Beirdo: | one moment |
| [20:06:01] | wagnerrp: | as long as you retain the same location relative to the root of the storage directory, it will be happy |
| [20:06:23] | wagnerrp: | for recordings, the files are ALWAYS in the root directory, so it doesnt matter |
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| [20:07:15] | wagnerrp: | for videos, the files are hashed when initially scanned in, and if they turn up missing in a subsequent scan, that stored hash is compared against any new files, and the existing metadata reconnected to the new relative path |
| [20:07:16] | Beirdo: | hmmm, maybe not |
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| [20:07:25] | fugg: | wagnerrp, there must be something, i changed from /var/record to /srv/myth/record one recording is available because it came in after this change, the others were listed but inaccessible. |
| [20:07:48] | tgm4883: | fugg, did you change storage group location? |
| [20:07:49] | wagnerrp: | fugg: then you need to tell mythtv you are now storing content in /srv/myth/record |
| [20:08:04] | wagnerrp: | you tell it in the same way you told it you were using /var/record initially |
| [20:08:16] | Beirdo: | let me check locally here |
| [20:08:35] | fugg: | tgm4883, wagnerrp i did that, setup is ok ( like i mentioned, one new recording is fine) |
| [20:08:42] | tgm4883: | fugg, no it's not |
| [20:08:54] | tgm4883: | did you change hosts at all? |
| [20:08:57] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: k |
| [20:08:58] | tgm4883: | hostnames |
| [20:09:50] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, we need a mythbackend --print-all-storage-groups |
| [20:09:58] | fugg: | tgm4883, because i changed the domain and had double-entries i did a complete fresh install ( nothing left from the old domain/setup/mythconverg) |
| [20:10:15] | tgm4883: | fugg, did you keep your database? |
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| [20:10:38] | fugg: | tgm4883, no, like i said on the end of the last line. |
| [20:10:46] | tgm4883: | fugg, and these are recordings? |
| [20:10:47] | wagnerrp: | fugg: if you did a fresh install with a fresh database, then there is no record of you ever having recorded those shows in the first place |
| [20:10:48] | tgm4883: | or videos? |
| [20:10:58] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: how odd. I'll figure this out |
| [20:11:22] | wagnerrp: | as far as mythtv is concerned, those are just irrelevant files filling up its recording path |
| [20:11:55] | fugg: | tgm4883, wagnerrp setup 3 days old, recordings from within those days, changed location today. |
| [20:12:12] | tgm4883: | fugg, congratulations, all your recordings are only identifiable by chanid+timestamp |
| [20:12:34] | tgm4883: | MythTV has no idea it recorded those, as you blew away the database where it keeps that info |
| [20:12:41] | wagnerrp: | the recordings you cannot access were made on the current database? or the old database? |
| [20:13:47] | fugg: | tgm4883, wagnerrp from the old setup i got some log-messages about "could not delete myth://10.0.0.254 blahblah where some outdated recordings should be purged, so there is something in DB) |
| [20:14:05] | tgm4883: | the old setup? |
| [20:14:45] | tgm4883: | fugg, lets start from wagnerrp's last question. Are the recordings that are missing from before you blew away the database or after? |
| [20:15:03] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: fixed :) git pull at your leisure |
| [20:17:02] | fugg: | tgm4883, no. complete fresh install, anything related to hosts/backends/recordings/channels is 3 days old. recordings from these 3 days were moved from /var/record to /srv/myth/record and in the same time i changed the storage-group. now i got one new recording which is fine , the others were listed but i cant e.g. download them from mythweb. |
| [20:17:35] | tgm4883: | ah ok |
| [20:17:40] | tgm4883: | making more sense now |
| [20:17:55] | tgm4883: | fugg, ok, so you copied the files to /srv/myth/record/ |
| [20:18:04] | tgm4883: | and you can ls that directory and see them in there? |
| [20:18:05] | wagnerrp: | fugg: have you restarted your frontend and backend since adding the new directory into that storage group? |
| [20:18:42] | fugg: | tgm4883, wagnerrp copied, yes. restarted, yes .let me paste the error-line, moment ........... |
| [20:20:13] | fugg: | i go to masterbackend/mythweb , select one of this recordings and klick on download. then i get this -> 1301_20120417230700.mpg does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host. |
| [20:20:29] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [20:20:33] | tgm4883: | what if you do |
| [20:20:40] | tgm4883: | ls /srv/myth/record/1301_20120417230700.mpg |
| [20:20:51] | wagnerrp: | fugg: can you access the recordings from within mythfrontend? |
| [20:20:56] | fugg: | doing the same for the one, new recording.....i get it. |
| [20:21:04] | tgm4883: | h0n1v041 |
| [20:21:11] | tgm4883: | well thats fun |
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| [20:27:44] | fugg: | tgm4883, wagnerrp eh problem solved :) it was a trivial typo where i forgot a trailing / on a rsync command so the elder records ended in /srv/myth/record/record :--) |
| [20:28:05] | tgm4883: | good deal |
| [20:29:43] | fugg: | tgm4883, beeing pendantic i checked the content after rsync but i used bash's history which lead me to the same dir ;) |
| [20:30:37] | ** fugg jicks himself ** | |
| [20:31:46] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: thanks for the super fast fix – definitely appreciate it this time as my drives are overflowing with a ton of stuff that's been sitting there for 5+ years waiting for transcoding – can't wait any longer |
| [20:31:58] | skd5aner: | (that said, haven't tested it yet – I'll let you know how it works) |
| [20:32:46] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: a git pull says "already up-to-date"? |
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| [20:33:34] | skd5aner: | nm |
| [20:33:44] | skd5aner: | <--- eternal git newb |
| [20:35:42] | fugg: | tgm4883, wagnerrp thanks for asking the right questions ;) |
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| [20:39:14] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: still not showing -ab for me? |
| [20:39:55] | skd5aner: | and still encoding at 64k |
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| [20:42:24] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: http://pastebin.com/PhqiUvYb |
| [20:43:04] | skd5aner: | ignore the fact that I put video bitrate to 4 and chose no to vbr... |
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| [20:45:51] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: you did make install right? |
| [20:46:02] | skd5aner: | yea, I can see the cahnge in the .pm file you made |
| [20:46:24] | skd5aner: | actually |
| [20:46:28] | Beirdo: | BTW, I should do that with my Good Eats sometime too |
| [20:46:29] | skd5aner: | no I can't :P |
| [20:46:40] | skd5aner: | ." -acodec $acodec -ar 48000 -async 1" |
| [20:46:40] | skd5aner: | ." -strict experimental" if ($acodec eq "aac") |
| [20:46:40] | skd5aner: | .$self->param('ab', $self->{'a_bitrate'}); |
| [20:47:08] | Beirdo: | ummm, you sure you did a git pull? :) |
| [20:47:21] | Beirdo: | are you looking at the installed or pulled version? |
| [20:48:19] | skd5aner: | git pull |
| [20:48:19] | skd5aner: | remote: Counting objects: 9, done. |
| [20:48:19] | skd5aner: | remote: Compressing objects: 100% (1/1), done. |
| [20:48:19] | skd5aner: | remote: Total 5 (delta 4), reused 5 (delta 4) |
| [20:48:19] | skd5aner: | Unpacking objects: 100% (5/5), done. |
| [20:48:20] | skd5aner: | From git://github.com/MythTV/nuvexport |
| [20:48:22] | skd5aner: | c7ea0a0..72e5563 master -> origin/master |
| [20:48:24] | skd5aner: | Already up-to-date. |
| [20:48:28] | skd5aner: | (sorry, too lazy to pastebin) |
| [20:48:54] | skd5aner: | that's what I was saying, not sure why when i did the git pull it said "already up-to-date"? |
| [20:49:10] | skd5aner: | oh... because you pushed to master, and not fixes... I bet |
| [20:49:16] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:49:22] | skd5aner: | mind backporting? :D |
| [20:49:25] | Beirdo: | git checkout master ; git pull |
| [20:49:32] | Beirdo: | sure, it's a bug |
| [20:49:35] | Beirdo: | one momente |
| [20:50:17] | Beirdo: | done |
| [20:50:57] | skd5aner: | Now I got it, let me run a debug real quick |
| [20:51:32] | Beirdo: | I don't expect master and fixes/0.25 to diverge much on nuvexport until after the ffmpeg sync |
| [20:51:40] | Beirdo: | which may cause issues I'd need to fix ;) |
| [20:52:27] | skd5aner: | yay: -ab '128k' |
| [20:52:37] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:52:41] | skd5aner: | Thanks man – sorry for some of the trivial confusion on my end :/ |
| [20:52:43] | Beirdo: | hopefully it behaves |
| [20:52:51] | Beirdo: | not a problem |
| [20:53:46] | skd5aner: | you think 600kbps for a 640x480 SD recording sounds good for a vbr? |
| [20:54:18] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: for H.264? |
| [20:54:23] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [20:54:34] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: in my experience, anything less than 1200 Kbps looks like real crap with 640x480. |
| [20:55:13] | Beirdo: | devinheitmueller: I tried moving my temperature sensor to the HDPVR last night... and I had probe failure issues, but before it failed, it registered around 36C |
| [20:55:14] | skd5aner: | My little test clip didn't look all that bad, but honestly I've never been impressed with the picture quality from any of the recordings from my pvr-250/500s... |
| [20:55:43] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna try rebooting the ARM/Linux board that drives it tonight |
| [20:55:47] | skd5aner: | VBR quality/quantisation (1–31)? |
| [20:55:48] | skd5aner: | - I'm setting that to 4 |
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| [20:56:51] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: yeah, of course it depends on the video. A security cam feed looks pretty good. Planet Earth looks pretty bad. |
| [20:56:58] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [20:57:39] | skd5aner: | it's a cooking show, in SD, from a mediocre encoder – so, I'll bump up to 720 and live with it, since I may or may not ever watch that particular episode again, and if I do, it's only to get cooking advice or a recipe :) |
| [20:57:50] | devinheitmueller: | Also depends on the encoder of course. In my case, I didn't have b-frames, which impacted bitrate/quality quite a bit. I don't know if x264 does. |
| [20:57:52] | skd5aner: | thanks for the advice though |
| [20:58:16] | devinheitmueller: | (I was doing recording in realtime, not as a postprocessing transcode step) |
| [20:58:18] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: I do have some source recordings from an hd-pvr that I'll want to pop through it, so that may change... |
| [20:58:27] | devinheitmueller: | sure |
| [20:59:35] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: get any donations recently? had a guy stop in here a few weeks ago insting to donate as he received help, and once again I pointed him in your direction since mythtv doesn't take donations |
| [20:59:44] | skd5aner: | I never know if they follow through or not on their offer :) |
| [20:59:55] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: I got one this morning, which I already applied to buying an HVR-1800. |
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| [21:00:20] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: Yeah, I know who you're talking about. He kept saying that kernel development was "retarted". I don't think that word means what he thinks it means. |
| [21:00:22] | skd5aner: | I don't even remember the guy's name/nick, oh well |
| [21:00:32] | devinheitmueller: | He in fact did make a donation. |
| [21:00:49] | devinheitmueller: | Robert McCurdy |
| [21:01:01] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: haha, yea – that was the guy... I was a little confused by his word choice as well...didn't he use a lot of 1337speak? |
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| [21:01:15] | devinheitmueller: | I figured I was just getting old. |
| [21:01:17] | devinheitmueller: | ;-) |
| [21:01:58] | skd5aner: | I've decided that generation gaps are getting decisively larger and larger within shorter timeframes |
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| [21:04:19] | devinheitmueller: | That reminds me, some guy is offloading 800 HVR-1800 boards at $20.00 a pop. The only downside is they don't have the A/V inputs (ATSC/ClearQAM and analog via the tuner input only) |
| [21:04:56] | devinheitmueller: | That's a pretty sweet deal as a PCIe PVR-150 replacement, assuming you don't need the composite or s-video input. |
| [21:04:59] | skd5aner: | hmmm... I don't need those anyway |
| [21:05:04] | skd5aner: | where I can get a few? |
| [21:05:13] | skd5aner: | "through" you? |
| [21:05:36] | devinheitmueller: | http://www.ebay.com/itm/200747246811?ssPageNa . . . .m1497.l2649 |
| [21:05:52] | devinheitmueller: | I need to make a couple of fixes to get analog working again, but once that is done they would be great. |
| [21:06:07] | devinheitmueller: | (a regression appears to have been recently introduced) |
| [21:06:08] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: I must admit, I don't know anything about the card... I haven't went "shopping" in years |
| [21:06:39] | devinheitmueller: | Dual tuner – one ATSC/ClearQAM tuner, and one analog tuner. Essentially the HVR-1600 but in PCIe form factor. |
| [21:06:46] | skd5aner: | how does that compare in their lineup? |
| [21:07:01] | devinheitmueller: | (oh, and no IR support in this case) |
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| [21:07:17] | skd5aner: | don't needthat either... |
| [21:07:19] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: what is your basis of comparison? |
| [21:07:22] | skd5aner: | what's the HVR-1600? |
| [21:07:44] | devinheitmueller: | The HVR-1600 is the PCI replacement for the PVR-[123]50, but it also has digital support. |
| [21:07:54] | devinheitmueller: | (also a dual tuner) |
| [21:08:10] | skd5aner: | Well, right now I have several PVR-250s, a PVR-500, a couple old "Air2PC/HD5000" card, and HDHR-US (first gen), and an HD-PVR |
| [21:08:46] | skd5aner: | Do you know if the encoder is better on these than the old 250s/500s? |
| [21:08:56] | Beirdo: | devinheitmueller: if you hear of old bttv cards (or others with radio support) kicking around, let me know? :) |
| [21:09:14] | devinheitmueller: | It's essentially the same quality (perhaps a bit better). |
| [21:09:28] | devinheitmueller: | The tuner is newer, and it's not a can tuner, so in general the analog quality will be better. |
| [21:09:39] | jams: | skd5aner- same or slightly better for analog |
| [21:09:57] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: I actually don't have a single board with FM support (which is pretty fricking surprising). I went looking for one a few weeks ago because I wanted to do some FM work. |
| [21:10:49] | Beirdo: | heh, I am looking to maybe add FM to mythtv at some point |
| [21:10:59] | skd5aner: | Well, my server MOBO has 3 PCI slots, and 2 PCIe 16 and 2 PCIe 1 slots |
| [21:11:00] | devinheitmueller: | I wouldn't go switching from a 250 to an 1800 just for the "quality", since unless you have a trained eye you are unlikely to be able to tell the difference. |
| [21:11:00] | Beirdo: | I bought a USB one that works |
| [21:11:49] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: can it simultaneously use the digital and analog tuners/encoders? |
| [21:11:59] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, at $20 this is a very cheap alternative to a USB design (and in general the people who are doing USB are doing such because of the cost) |
| [21:12:14] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: yes. It has two independent tuners – one for analog and one for digital. |
| [21:12:31] | skd5aner: | ah, yes... I see it has 2 inputs |
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| [21:13:15] | Beirdo: | it'd be good to go PCI->PCIe though |
| [21:13:37] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: why? |
| [21:13:42] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: sure, if your card dies it makes sense to switch to PCIe. But if not, then there won't be any noticeable difference. |
| [21:14:29] | devinheitmueller: | Like I said: the analog support is currently broken, so be forewarned. |
| [21:15:01] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: because many new mobos don't have PCI, or limited slots :) |
| [21:15:18] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: in my case, that server has a PVR-500, PVR-250, and an HD5000 card in it, I could easily get the 1800 and get rid of the 250 and 5000 |
| [21:15:22] | Beirdo: | I like my HVR-2250 though. It's just humming along |
| [21:15:33] | skd5aner: | what's the benefits of the 2250? |
| [21:15:43] | Beirdo: | two tuners |
| [21:15:48] | Beirdo: | both with analog/digital |
| [21:15:52] | devinheitmueller: | The 2250 is definitely a better card, since it's a dual tuner with two analog encoders (either tuner can support analog or digital) |
| [21:16:07] | Beirdo: | and FM radio (not yet supported) |
| [21:16:08] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:16:14] | skd5aner: | ah, yea – thats nice – is it able to record 4 things, or only 2 things? |
| [21:16:39] | Beirdo: | 2 total (other than multirec on the digital side) |
| [21:16:46] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [21:17:09] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: thanks for the link, I'll have to think about it... not sure it's a lot of good in my case, but still a great deal for someone who actually needs the card |
| [21:17:12] | Beirdo: | mine has OTA on the digital side and two DirecTV SD receivers on the analog side |
| [21:17:15] | Beirdo: | works great |
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| [21:17:40] | skd5aner: | but don't put it on -users, discussions about commercial activities are forbidden... don't want to upset the powers that be |
| [21:17:41] | skd5aner: | :P |
| [21:17:49] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: I cannot imagine the FM support on the 2250 working anytime soon. |
| [21:17:57] | devinheitmueller: | (since it would require raw audio capture) |
| [21:18:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, I hear ya |
| [21:18:22] | devinheitmueller: | ... and right now there is no raw capture support at all for either audio or video. |
| [21:18:50] | Beirdo: | I pinged stoth about it, I'm not expecting it to be high on his priority list any time soon :) |
| [21:19:08] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: the 2250 isn't really on his list at all at this point. |
| [21:19:14] | Beirdo: | would be sweet, but there are far more important things to work on :) |
| [21:19:22] | devinheitmueller: | indeed. |
| [21:19:24] | Beirdo: | yeah, not surprising |
| [21:20:01] | Beirdo: | if there was a way to lend a hand on that, I'd be happy to, but I'm sure it would take a while to get up to speed, and for minimal use |
| [21:20:11] | Beirdo: | meh :) |
| [21:20:49] | Beirdo: | and no way I'm gonna start soldering or probing on my 2250 any time soon, if I needed to do that, I'd be buying anotehr |
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| [21:23:28] | skd5aner: | what's the difference between the 1800/1850? |
| [21:23:30] | devinheitmueller: | No point in soldering/probing really. |
| [21:23:47] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: very little. The rev'd the board slightly to reduce cost. |
| [21:23:53] | skd5aner: | gotcha |
| [21:24:12] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, and the 1850 has an MCE compatible IR receiver. |
| [21:24:18] | Beirdo: | cool. good to know. Having a sacrifical board is fine if needed, of course |
| [21:25:09] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: so much of that design is on the 7164 (as opposed to external components), there would be very little to trace in terms of stuff like i2c. |
| [21:25:43] | Beirdo: | right. and I can't find public data sheets for the 7164 (last I looked) |
| [21:25:46] | Beirdo: | always fun |
| [21:25:51] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: you won't find any. |
| [21:25:55] | Beirdo: | figures :) |
| [21:26:08] | Beirdo: | in 5–10 years maybe |
| [21:26:15] | devinheitmueller: | doubtful |
| [21:26:24] | devinheitmueller: | By that point they would have nothing to gain by making them public. |
| [21:26:44] | Beirdo: | true. |
| [21:26:46] | Beirdo: | ah well |
| [21:27:17] | devinheitmueller: | Unfortunately, vendors only really make those sorts of datasheets available when they have a specific financial incentive. The default behavior is to keep it secret. |
| [21:27:18] | Beirdo: | not like I don't have 10M other things to toy with anyways :) |
| [21:27:53] | Beirdo: | yeah, having worked the embedded design side before, I'm far too acquainted with that ... |
| [21:29:54] | devinheitmueller: | yup |
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| [21:35:14] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: generation gaps arent getting shorter |
| [21:35:33] | wagnerrp: | were just getting stupid people forming their own gaps within a generation |
| [21:35:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:36:37] | wagnerrp: | "l33t" isnt a word. get off my lawn and go take some god damned english classes |
| [21:37:11] | Beirdo: | and pull up your pants! |
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| [21:38:04] | ** tgm4883 is lost ** | |
| [21:38:14] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: no av inputs... are you talking about the rear panel stuff, the IO header, or both? |
| [21:38:24] | wizbit: | MY7h7v R0cX B4By! |
| [21:38:28] | ** wagnerrp is responding to a half-hour-old comment ** | |
| [21:38:55] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: it has neither. |
| [21:38:58] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [21:39:05] | devinheitmueller: | The IO header isn't populated. |
| [21:39:42] | wagnerrp: | did they leave off the switch chip? or just not wire up any of the additional inputs? |
| [21:39:49] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: If you click on the photo, you can zoom in. |
| [21:40:00] | devinheitmueller: | Which switch are you referring to? |
| [21:40:14] | devinheitmueller: | It looks like the connectors as well as all the supporting components are depopulated. |
| [21:40:32] | wagnerrp: | the internal switch between the five different inputs (tuner, 2x composite, 2x svideo) |
| [21:40:48] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea if that is handled internally by the video processor, or if there is a separate chip for that |
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| [21:40:59] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: there is no switch. The 23885 actually has separate pins for each input, and the muxing is done internally to the chip. |
| [21:41:09] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [21:41:15] | devinheitmueller: | The mako core has an internal crossbar. |
| [21:41:17] | jk90090: | jya: did you stay up all night working on that airplay ;-) |
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| [21:41:47] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: If you look at the public block diagram for the cx25840, you'll get the basic idea. |
| [21:43:07] | wagnerrp: | it will do component video? i guess standard definition only? |
| [21:43:19] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: yes. 480i. |
| [21:44:11] | devinheitmueller: | That's pretty common. Most products just never bring out the support though since it doesn't make any sense (and it just confuses less knowledgeable users who think it will work with HD) |
| [21:45:11] | devinheitmueller: | ... and if you're a product vendor, it's much better to be clear that a feature doesn't exist than confuse people and incur the cost of the returns. |
| [21:46:24] | wagnerrp: | i have seen a couple of framegrabbers with component on breakout cables |
| [21:46:38] | wagnerrp: | and i imagine there are only a handful of chip families that do this sort of thing |
| [21:48:28] | devinheitmueller: | The only case where I've done work with component SD was for ViewCast, and that's clearly for professionals. |
| [21:48:38] | devinheitmueller: | Many of the chips have the basic support though. |
| [21:49:53] | wagnerrp: | my old roommate actually had one of the later Trinitrons with 480i component input |
| [21:50:17] | devinheitmueller: | They do exist, but are just less common since nowadays most component is HD. |
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| [21:50:38] | devinheitmueller: | (for example, I have a progressive scan DVD player that puts out both 480i and 480p over component) |
| [21:50:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i think sony canned the trinitron line about a decade ago |
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| [22:02:39] | skd5aner: | If I want to check what's going on with metadata in the video library, what -v options do I need to look at? |
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| [22:18:55] | |PSU|: | hi guys, having an issue where I can't watch Live TV and record another recording. When watching Live TV, I receive a notice that another show is going to tape and starts the countdown. I have the Hauppauge WinTV-DCR-2650 and have no issues recording two scheduled items at a time. any thoughts? |
| [22:20:40] | jk90090: | skd5aner: Isn't the metadata produced by external scripts? |
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| [22:32:25] | koffel: | hey all |
| [22:32:32] | koffel: | can i use hdpvr ir blaster for channel change? |
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| [22:51:10] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I'm going crazy trying to figure out some of this metadata stuff, would you be interested in stepping through some of it with me – I'm actually thinking there are some bugs going on here |
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| [22:57:27] | wagnerrp: | shoot |
| [22:58:52] | koffel: | can i use hdpvr ir blaster for channel change? |
| [22:59:21] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [22:59:42] | wagnerrp: | however you likely dont want to be using an HDPVR at all |
| [22:59:42] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: alright, well, I'm finding issues all over, but lets start one place... TV shows within the Video Library... |
| [23:00:05] | wagnerrp: | koffel: do you get any premium channels with your cable subscription? (hbo, showtime, etc...) |
| [23:00:18] | koffel: | wagnerrp why? |
| [23:00:22] | koffel: | yes |
| [23:00:41] | koffel: | i have every channel comcast offers |
| [23:00:47] | wagnerrp: | because youre on comcast, and the only thing copy protected in comcast are the premiums |
| [23:00:51] | koffel: | 600+ |
| [23:00:59] | wagnerrp: | so for everything else, youre much better off with a cablecard tuner |
| [23:01:15] | koffel: | hdpvr is compont |
| [23:01:20] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: For whatever reason, when I rescanned the library after upgrade, it actually re-added 3 seasons of Seinfeld, no clue as to why... but, it mean that I needed to manually scan those entries again... |
| [23:01:26] | koffel: | u know rbg |
| [23:01:41] | wagnerrp: | yes, analog |
| [23:01:49] | koffel: | no |
| [23:01:49] | wagnerrp: | to bypass the encryption/copy-protection |
| [23:02:03] | wagnerrp: | however... you only need it if the channels are copy protected in the first place |
| [23:02:04] | koffel: | wang why is it 720p |
| [23:02:13] | skd5aner: | koffel: all he's saying is, that since you are a comcast customer, you can get the majority of your channels via a cablecard tuner like the HDHR Prime or the Ceton... |
| [23:02:14] | wagnerrp: | because its analog 720p |
| [23:02:49] | skd5aner: | koffel: you can use the HD-PVR, but you're tied to a single STB when doing so |
| [23:02:53] | koffel: | i see |
| [23:02:53] | skd5aner: | that's all he's saying |
| [23:03:19] | koffel: | well i only use 1 stb |
| [23:03:31] | skd5aner: | With a cablecard tuner, you could tune 3/4 different things at the same time |
| [23:03:33] | koffel: | a hd dvr 3416 |
| [23:03:46] | skd5aner: | and not have to rent the STB |
| [23:04:03] | koffel: | isn't cable card limited |
| [23:04:12] | wagnerrp: | limited to the copy-freely channels, yes |
| [23:04:21] | wagnerrp: | which for you on comcast, means everything but the premiums |
| [23:04:27] | koffel: | well ahhh not good here |
| [23:04:52] | wagnerrp: | most people dont want to get by with a single tuner |
| [23:05:00] | koffel: | my comcast is 5c from 100 threw channel 1660 |
| [23:05:33] | wagnerrp: | so a $100-$200 (2–4 tuner) cablecard tuner, plus a $2/mo cablecard rental, would replace that many HDPVRs at $200 each, with a matching $10/mo rental |
| [23:05:45] | wagnerrp: | usually people are using more than one of those things |
| [23:05:52] | wagnerrp: | and not getting the premiums |
| [23:06:06] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: so... anyway, mile episodes are ripped from my DVDs in the following filename format: ../TV Shows/Seinfeld/Season 04/SEINFELD_s04e01.mkv |
| [23:06:07] | wagnerrp: | youve gone into the diagnostic mode in your STB to see those CCI codes? |
| [23:06:31] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: so, they parse with no issues... (with the exception of the issue I told you about the other day, but lets ignore that for now)... |
| [23:06:48] | wagnerrp: | the multi-episode file thing? |
| [23:06:59] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: nope, I've applied that fix |
| [23:07:10] | skd5aner: | (just trying to give you the full background here) |
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| [23:07:20] | koffel: | wag whatz best distro to use with mythtv |
| [23:07:28] | skd5aner: | koffel: mythbuntu |
| [23:07:37] | skd5aner: | but, that's only an opinion |
| [23:07:52] | skd5aner: | but they seem to put the most effort into it |
| [23:07:53] | wagnerrp: | koffel: are you a long time linux user? |
| [23:08:29] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu is a good distro for ubuntu users, and users new to linux and/or mythtv |
| [23:08:46] | wagnerrp: | the best distro for mythtv is the one youre most comfortable with |
| [23:08:54] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: when I hit W, I get prompted 2 pick from 3 results from ttvdb, so I pick seinfeld, and it works as expected... season/episode, title, description, etc... I can even see in the logs where it pulls the artwork and I can find it in my directories tied to my storage groups... |
| [23:09:01] | koffel: | well okay i used ubuntu before |
| [23:09:05] | wagnerrp: | as long as that is not debian or centos (or rhel or scientific linux) |
| [23:09:19] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: now, the problem... the artwork never appears, and when I look in the DB it didn't populate the various artwork fields with the file names |
| [23:09:45] | wagnerrp: | anything in your frontend logs? |
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| [23:10:46] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/7dyXzN9L |
| [23:11:06] | skd5aner: | -v general |
| [23:11:50] | skd5aner: | I had deleted the previous downloaded coverart to make sure it would download it again, and it did |
| [23:11:59] | wagnerrp: | is there actually a Coverart directory defined for whatever host is on 192.168.1.206? |
| [23:12:08] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [23:12:31] | wagnerrp: | ok, because the Videos definitions will fall through, but the artwork for remote writes dont |
| [23:12:35] | skd5aner: | and videos/recordings that have a filename in the db properly retrieve and display it |
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| [23:13:21] | skd5aner: | I can see the file being written to disk when retrieved |
| [23:13:57] | skd5aner: | it's just never populating in the db – and again, I'm only limiting this to the scope of the video library – I've had better success with recordings, although a few oddities there as well (to discuss another time) |
| [23:14:35] | skd5aner: | anything else I can try that would give us more to go on? |
| [23:16:01] | ** wagnerrp debates whether he should continue on trunk, or switch to 0.25 ** | |
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| [23:16:42] | wagnerrp: | there certainly is artwork being listed |
| [23:17:19] | wagnerrp: | maybe it never gets set in the database until the download manager finishes |
| [23:17:26] | wagnerrp: | and something is preventing it from completing |
| [23:17:37] | skd5aner: | how would I be able to tell? |
| [23:17:51] | wagnerrp: | should be errors in the logs for something |
| [23:18:17] | skd5aner: | I don't see any |
| [23:18:23] | skd5aner: | let me check something real quick... |
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| [23:20:06] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I don't see anything indicating that's an issue |
| [23:22:28] | wagnerrp: | GAH! |
| [23:22:35] | wagnerrp: | friggen thunderbird |
| [23:22:42] | wagnerrp: | keep typing with focus on the wrong window |
| [23:22:55] | wagnerrp: | and do all sorts of bad stuff with the hotkeys in thunderbird |
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| [23:33:51] | ** wagnerrp pokes jya ** | |
| [23:34:17] | wagnerrp: | second computer or bad connection? |
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| [23:35:54] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/rF9tAnh2 |
| [23:36:22] | skd5aner: | -v all, truncated from when I went to retrieve the metadata artwork for season 4 ep 1 |
| [23:38:31] | wagnerrp: | bad stuff at line 231 |
| [23:38:41] | wagnerrp: | and the source of your problem |
| [23:39:04] | skd5aner: | that's my SBE/FE |
| [23:39:46] | wagnerrp: | then it seems to think the content is on your SBE/FE |
| [23:39:55] | wagnerrp: | likely because youve got the folders NFS mounted over there |
| [23:40:10] | wagnerrp: | and there is no mechanism to ensure you select the correct backend |
| [23:40:23] | wagnerrp: | (one of the things i need to fix by reworking the scanner) |
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| [23:40:30] | skd5aner: | So, I've defined storage groups on my MBE, aren't those global? |
| [23:40:47] | wagnerrp: | Videos, yes..., artwork, not yet |
| [23:40:58] | wagnerrp: | and thats half the problem |
| [23:41:07] | skd5aner: | so, I need to define storage groups on my mfe/sbe as well? |
| [23:41:20] | wagnerrp: | it is picking up the content on the wrong host, and since there are no storage groups defined for artwork on the SBE, it doesnt know where to save it and gives up |
| [23:41:24] | skd5aner: | and, since the same dirs are mounted via NFS, I can just define them the same? |
| [23:41:39] | wagnerrp: | however the other half is of course that it shouldnt be using that host in the first place |
| [23:42:10] | wagnerrp: | it needs to store all found instances, and then use the host where the filesystem is marked as local |
| [23:42:26] | wagnerrp: | ideally, the scanner would get removed from the frontend entirely, and all this would happen on the backend |
| [23:42:46] | wagnerrp: | (which of course means no more 'local' content) |
| [23:43:24] | wagnerrp: | so yeah, the problem is a result of my changes to the scanner |
| [23:43:50] | wagnerrp: | rather, my changes brought existing problems to the forefront |
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| [23:48:56] | skd5aner: | so... I'm a little lost in what that means in terms of what I need to do for now? |
| [23:49:00] | skd5aner: | define storage groups locally? |
| [23:49:08] | wagnerrp: | remove the NFS mounts if possible |
| [23:49:21] | wagnerrp: | what are they for? encrypted ISOs? |
| [23:49:51] | skd5aner: | so that I can universally get to everything from any machine, under the same path |
| [23:50:08] | wagnerrp: | you mean for access outside of mythtv |
| [23:50:11] | skd5aner: | I think the vast majority of my isos are unencrypted |
| [23:50:21] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yes |
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| [23:51:47] | skd5aner: | well, at least for testing purposes, I'll unmount those and see what happens |
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| [23:52:42] | skd5aner: | the SBE has an HDPVR attached to it, that records to storage on the MBE – will it be able to accomplish that via storage groups without the nfs mount? |
| [23:53:29] | wagnerrp: | no, however that means your recordings mounts and your video mounts are the same? |
| [23:54:09] | skd5aner: | all under the same parent heirarchy |
| [23:55:10] | ** wagnerrp loves how ZFS means you dont have to use a single mount for an entire filesystem ** | |
| [23:55:27] | skd5aner: | so, /mythtv/media/... for videos /mythtv/recordings/... for recordings |
| [23:55:58] | skd5aner: | so, recording to remote storage on a SBE still requires NFS |
| [23:56:32] | ** skd5aner just realized he's used "so" to start sentences a lot tonight :/ ** | |
| [23:56:33] | wagnerrp: | for the foreseeable future |
| [23:56:40] | skd5aner: | well... poop |
| [23:57:06] | wagnerrp: | last time i questioned danielk about it, "mythproto is too low performance to replace NFS for writes" |
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| [23:57:16] | skd5aner: | I mean, I don't mind the NFS part – it's worked forever for me, but the fact that metadata doesn't work for me... that's an issue |
| [23:57:37] | skd5aner: | one I can live with, but annoying you know |
| [23:58:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the problem is its not a trivial solution |
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| [23:58:28] | wagnerrp: | its going to be a minimum an ABI bump to resolve |
| [23:58:34] | skd5aner: | worked in 0.24? |
| [23:58:41] | wagnerrp: | and something i would be reluctant to backport |
| [23:58:48] | wagnerrp: | well... sort of |
| [23:59:01] | skd5aner: | correction: worked for "me" in 0.24 :) |
| [23:59:05] | wagnerrp: | the problem still existed in 0.24 |
| [23:59:19] | wagnerrp: | had you defined those same Videos folders on your SBE in 0.24, you would have experienced the same thing you are now |
| [23:59:37] | skd5aner: | they've always been defined as such? |
| [23:59:42] | wagnerrp: | just a thought, you should be able to bypass it by specifying a dummy folder on your SBE |
| [23:59:48] | skd5aner: | I didn't just set these up |
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