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Monday, April 16th, 2012, 00:14 UTC

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america:

i need help transcoding

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america:

mythranscode is saying "No Video information found!"

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wagnerrp:

hahahahahahaha

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wagnerrp:

"i downloaded find_orphans.py, and now when i try to run find_orphans.pl, it says there is no such file"

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BobLfoot:

hey wagnerrp you mentioned using cat /dev/video to check my vid card — how's that work can you point me to a howto to read if you're short on time. I found that ffmpeg -i /dev/video3 -t 30.00 video3.mpg gives me a video with no audio.

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wagnerrp:

same thing as you did there

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wagnerrp:

/dev/video<n> is just a file object that outputs compressed mpeg2 video

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wagnerrp:

you `cat` it to some file

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wagnerrp:

and that file is a valid mpeg file that can be played in most video player

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wagnerrp:

s

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wagnerrp:

v4l2-ctl can be used to tune the card or select inputs

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BobLfoot:

so if the ffmpeg and cat methods result in no sound then the issue is firmware/driver/distro related correct??

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wagnerrp:

potentially

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wagnerrp:

whatever it means, it means the problem is outside mythtv

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BobLfoot:

kind of figured that

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BobLfoot:

just frustrating wagnerrp — two tuner cards both with analog and digital capability under windows but under linux the analog capability has ben on again off again ; and I've never been able to figure why

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sphery:

on again off again sounds very digital... perhaps there's actually a continuum of working/not working involved?

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wagnerrp:

perhaps there is some omnipotent impish being from that continuum making it appear to be digital

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sphery:

So, how do I go about getting a full name for a --author commit...

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wagnerrp:

git log <sha>

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sphery:

hehe, I mean the full name of the guy who submitted: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10383

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sphery:

guess I'll have to e-mail and push later

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Timrit:

evening. i started receiving an error today after updating my frontend. my backend is headless. I have tried running ssh -X user@mythbackend mythtv-setup and logged into the backend, stopped the backend with /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop then starting it from the console. none of these have updated the db as it said. the --version from both and some other info is at http://pastebin.com/vknCYrmQ. thanks

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Timrit:

for your help.

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sphery:

I'm assuming that's the reason for the error: fatal: No existing author found with <actual e-mail address, but without real name>

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wagnerrp:

30 people running an empty branch, and another 70 running unknown

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wagnerrp:

jams: it would be useful to figure out what distros those people are using

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wagnerrp:

MythXFace-wide...

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frogonwheels:

Timrit: presumably your frontend and backend have differerent database version requirements, sounds like you need to update your backend?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: still no hits for "that grabber"

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wagnerrp:

and far more people than i would expect running EIT

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Timrit:

frogonwheels: i tried. i thought ftp://ftp.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free would get me the latest.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: hehe, perhaps those with that grabber are purposefully not submitting info

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sphery:

(though I still think most who do run it don't know it's stealing)

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sphery:

EIT in the US?

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wagnerrp:

unknown

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frogonwheels:

Timrit: I use a Mythbuntu ppa. Are your frontend/backend on different distros?

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Timrit:

frogonwheels: yes.

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wagnerrp:

its counted globally, not per country

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wagnerrp:

and i was going to mention per-country would make that information more useful

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russell5:

y

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frogonwheels:

Timrit: bleh. ok well that makes it complicated :|

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wagnerrp:

... but then so many people seem to be running the wrong country

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russell5:

wrong window

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sphery:

Timrit: look at your backend and frontend log files to get exact details

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frogonwheels:

Timrit: ^^ plus sounds like you need to find out exactly where each distro keeps similar versions :|

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Timrit:

sphery: isnt ftp://ftp.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free the most current for debian?

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sphery:

Timrit: also, it looks like you have compatible versions--which means you're probably not actually running the version you thinnk you're running

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sphery:

Timrit: my suggestion: reboot

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Timrit:

awww. there goes my uptime.....

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sphery:

(even if you don't know the steps to properly reset things, reboot does :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: it would be more useful to extract regions out of the timezones

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Timrit:

sphery: i will try that next, thanks.

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sphery:

I had to suggest he do that since the power outage this morning took my uptime to 0

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sphery:

(had almost a week of uptime before the outage :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah... 291 en_us users, 160 in timezones that would indicate they are actually in the US

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sphery:

ah, cool--you already collect time zone

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

that many doing EIT

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sphery:

all to save $25/yr--and have a much less functional system

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wagnerrp:

plus another 20 canadian users

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wagnerrp:

puts it at 131 using SD, and 49 using something else

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jams:

wagnerrp- sure i will look into it tomorrow. regarding EIT I want to add a report to see howmany are EIT in the US

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wagnerrp:

just a guess, but those data grabbers likely total over 100%

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wagnerrp:

the hardware profiler at least allows for a list of grabbers to be returned, one per video source

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wagnerrp:

jams: im really more interested in usage of "that" grabber

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wagnerrp:

of which there is none yet

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wagnerrp:

which is a shame, but then it has only been a week

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wagnerrp:

and of course smolt is opt-in

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: are the mythbuntu builds opting in for users automatically?

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jams:

wagnerrp- i don't know how that grabber works, not even for sure how it would show up

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, its just an XMLTV compliant grabber

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: or does ubuntu really encompass that high percentage of mythtv users?

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frogonwheels:

I've got an interesting, but not urgent, problem with ProjectM visualisation crashing the X server on exit (of the visualisation).. anybody seen this?

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wagnerrp:

didnt we scrap project m some time back?

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frogonwheels:

(the work-around is the obvious "Don't use ProjectM visualisations")

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frogonwheels:

oh, ok.

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wagnerrp:

i think its at least gone in 0.25

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frogonwheels:

wagnerrp: well that answers that. thanks

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jams:

yeah it was removed for that very reason

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jams:

unstable

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frogonwheels:

wagnerrp: I'm on 0.24

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Vortalex:

Hello. I recently updated to 0.25 on Arch. It went well but, now I've noticed on video playback v.fill in Adjust Fill is enabled. It won't stay off, so I have to turn it off manually during playback every time. Is this a known problem?

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frogonwheels:

it's a pitty, it had nice stuff. but totally understandable.

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frogonwheels:

pity

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digitalw00t:

I'm trying to get mythtv so I can watch and record what is coming through my hd pvr, but so far no luck. Can someone run through the config with me? I've followed the wiki, but for some reason when I hit "Watch TV", it just blinks and stays at the menu. I'm expecting it to show me what's playing on my xbox360.

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to do that

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is for recording scheduled television

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wagnerrp:

not whatever gets output by your Xbox

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wagnerrp:

and if you expect to be able to play interactively using an HDPVR, you just wasted $200

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digitalw00t:

What a positive spin on that. You mean myth tv is not capable of just recording an input?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is capable of recording from an HDPVR, yes

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wagnerrp:

but it is wholly unsuited for arbitrary capture

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digitalw00t:

Then I'm wondering where the "wage of $200" comes in.

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digitalw00t:

Ahh..

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wagnerrp:

if you want to record off an xbox, just `cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg`

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wagnerrp:

run that to start recording, ctrl-c to stop recording

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wagnerrp:

however, the HDPVR is a video encoder, not simply video capture

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wagnerrp:

and as such, introduces somewhere around a second of delay

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: not that I'm saying it's a good idea, but isn't there a "gamers" edition of the HDPVR or something?

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wagnerrp:

which tacked onto mythtv means somewhere around 2–4 seconds from when video gets output by your xbox, to when it shows up on your tv

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skd5aner:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr-gaming.html

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digitalw00t:

I'll give it a shot and see how it goes.

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wagnerrp:

neither mythtv nor the HDPVR are designed for interactive use

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: tweaked firmware that causes the encoder to produce no B frames?

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digitalw00t:

It's really odd that I can't find anything on the linux side of the camp that will do video capture/editing.

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wagnerrp:

avidemux? handbrake?

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skd5aner:

I know the delay would actually exist in the ringbuffer for mythtv, which is why it wouldn't matter much, but: "Has the same great video quality as HD PVR model 1212. Plus includes our "no delay pass through" for flawless game play recording!"

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wagnerrp:

well the standard HDPVR has "no delay pass through" as well

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wagnerrp:

so i dont know what the difference would be

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digitalw00t:

handbrake does video capture?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, but then it doesnt matter

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, no clue

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wagnerrp:

since any file copy utility will do video capture from the HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, that device node outputs an mpeg transport stream directly

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wagnerrp:

containing h264 video and AC3 (passthrough) or AAC (encoded) audio

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wagnerrp:

i suppose it might do LPCM and DTS over the toslink connector, im not sure

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wagnerrp:

digitalw00t: my point is that for recording, it works just fine... but that for live use, its no good

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digitalw00t:

Understood.. back to the drawing board then.

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wagnerrp:

there have been a number of people in here who have bought HDPVRs, expecting they would be able to use them to play games on a computer monitor that did not have video inputs

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digitalw00t:

I know of good software in windows and mac, but can't find anything in linux to do this other than the commandline.

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wagnerrp:

as i said, you dont need any application to do the actual capture

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digitalw00t:

Well I had it for old vcr home vids, done with that.

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wagnerrp:

since the device node will output compressed video directly

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wagnerrp:

for editing, i know avidemux is a video editor, i believe handbrake can do video editing

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wagnerrp:

both are GUIs

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wagnerrp:

and avidemux should be able to capture as well

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, the only video editing ive ever done is virtualdub on windows

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digitalw00t:

Yeah.. had to get remake video, so I could exit the end old home vids so they wouldn't be encoded again and have more degredation.

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digitalw00t:

AVS video Remake.

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digitalw00t:

Good product..

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digitalw00t:

Cuts on the key frames.

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Vortalex:

Hello. I recently updated to 0.25. It went well but, now I've noticed on video playback v.fill in Adjust Fill is enabled. So, anything in letterbox gets stretched. It won't stay off, so I have to turn it off manually during playback every time. Is there away to change this behavior?

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, nope

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tgm4883:

we don't auto opt people in

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tgm4883:

unless someone snuck that in

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wagnerrp:

perhaps its more just the ease of updating?

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tgm4883:

could be

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tgm4883:

What do the numbers look like?

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tgm4883:

is there somewhere I can see them?

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wagnerrp:

http://smolt.mythtv.org/static/stats/stats.html

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wagnerrp:

see the OS tab

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tgm4883:

nice

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wagnerrp:

heh

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tgm4883:

Can I share this with the rest of the mythbuntu devs?

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wagnerrp:

go for it, the page is meant to be public for anyone to view

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: have you heard of freeguide before? is it a legit service (I only ask out of curiosity, not because I'm looking for alternatives to SD)

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kisak:

I better cast my hardware vote

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wagnerrp:

freeguide? never heard of it

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skd5aner:

http://www.artificialworlds.net/freeguide/Main/HomePage

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skd5aner:

looks like it relies on xmltv I guess

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wagnerrp:

its not a service

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skd5aner:

yea

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wagnerrp:

yeah... just xmltv

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skd5aner:

I see more now

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wagnerrp:

http://www.schedulesdirect.org/approvedsoftware

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: btw, the bad data source... I think it would should up as NULL or something – reading through their instructions, you basically disable mfd in setup and just run it as a cron job

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wagnerrp:

however the legitimacy of na_dtv (directv scraper) is questionable

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skd5aner:

although, where does it signify "schedulesdirect1"? in the settins table?

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wagnerrp:

videosource.xmltvgrabber

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skd5aner:

yea, I see it now

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wagnerrp:

youre right, it does run through cron

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wagnerrp:

hmm...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: if this thing gets run manually, any suggestion on what to look for?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: basically, the interest is that TMS/MS arent taking much action, since they dont believe it is getting much use

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wagnerrp:

where SD estimates that it actually gets more use than SD itself

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wagnerrp:

get some real numbers, and maybe they might have interest in closing the hole

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wagnerrp:

close it off, and you get a flood of people back into SD

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wagnerrp:

obviously self serving, but... meh

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skd5aner:

I get it

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kisak:

so how should this hardware profiling be used? one profile per cluster, one profile for all systems running a FE and/or BE, BE only ...

[04:00:48]

wagnerrp:

each frontend does its own profile

[04:01:14]

wagnerrp:

each frontend gets is own UUID, and there is a single shared UUID that denotes machines as part of a single cluster

[04:01:23]

kisak:

so you want stats gathered from all systems if possible

[04:01:51]

wagnerrp:

thats the idea

[04:02:09]

wagnerrp:

if a lot of people still use framegrabbers, support stays in

[04:02:17]

wagnerrp:

if those numbers approach zero, we drop them

[04:02:39]

wagnerrp:

framegrabbers, pulseaudio, Xvideo, ... any number of other similar protocols

[04:03:11]

wagnerrp:

its to get an idea of how many people are using what, and deserve to get more developer time

[04:03:21]

kisak:

from the looks of it, few people use the default theme

[04:03:26]

wagnerrp:

currently, it seems we should all abandon our distros and switch to ubuntu... :)

[04:04:41]

kisak:

well, my backend uses the default theme, because I've never run a FE on that system to switch it

[04:05:30]

wagnerrp:

backends do not currently update, only frontends

[04:06:35]

kisak:

update the profile?

[04:07:03]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[04:07:21]

wagnerrp:

you can run the profiler manually through the backend web server

[04:07:26]

wagnerrp:

but it only gets run automatically on frontends

[04:07:32]

kisak:

I could just throw the python script in a cron.monthly, right?

[04:07:48]

wagnerrp:

and then only on startup, only if it hasnt run in over a month, and only if you have run it before in the past

[04:08:03]

kisak:

well, in my testing, smolt has gotten to hate me apparently

[04:08:16]

kisak:

or it needs time to straighten itself out

[04:08:36]

wagnerrp:

got a backtrace?

[04:08:52]

kisak:

no, it's just throwing 500's at me

[04:10:37]

kisak:

(internal error)

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, how does it affect the stats since we allow frontend only systems?

[04:13:53]

tgm4883:

and backend only systems

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wagnerrp:

only machines with frontends will update, and then at most once per month

[04:14:31]

wagnerrp:

its something i need to fix

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tgm4883:

ok

[04:14:49]

tgm4883:

they update on their one without going into the setting?

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wagnerrp:

on startup only

[04:15:17]

wagnerrp:

so if you leave mythfrontend running for a year, it will only update once

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tgm4883:

ok

[04:15:23]

wagnerrp:

(also something i need to fix)

[04:15:29]

tgm4883:

and that is a database setting I suppose?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you enable it through the setup wizard

[04:15:57]

wagnerrp:

basically, you enable it by running it once

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tgm4883:

Do you happen to know where that setting is in the DB? I can check if we enable it by default

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall off hand, let me check

[04:18:52]

kisak:

okay, so with my prodding around, I've corrupted my uuid

[04:20:01]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: HardwareProfileUUID and HardwareProfileLastUpdated

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wagnerrp:

in order to run, you must have a UUID configured, you must have updated in the past, and that time must be over a month ago

[04:20:49]

tgm4883:

ok

[04:21:14]

tgm4883:

Unless superm1 has hidden some magic somewhere then we aren't auto-opting-in

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tgm4883:

although we'll do a blog post about how this info is important to upstream probably this week

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wagnerrp:

might MCC be triggering something from the services API?

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tgm4883:

MCC doesn't use the services API for anything

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tgm4883:

I don't think so anyway

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wagnerrp:

what.. and further skew the OS numbers in your favor? :P

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tgm4883:

The only thing that is touching the services API might be the mysql PIN check

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tgm4883:

but didn't you write that?

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wagnerrp:

nah, thats been in for years

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wagnerrp:

before my time

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tgm4883:

yea we aren't auto-opting people in

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bobgill:

I have a few recordings that won't delete, I click Delete in Mythweb and they're gone, then refresh a few minutes later and they're still there, how can I remove these?

[04:55:12]

[R]:

what does the backend log say

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wagnerrp:

upgrade

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wagnerrp:

sounds like youre using 0.23.0

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[R]:

that too

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bobgill:

Using .24

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wagnerrp:

dont know then

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k-man:

out of interest, do you guys sync with ffmpeg multiple times during the dev cycle?

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wagnerrp:

depends on how long the cycle is

[05:11:36]

wagnerrp:

its usually once every ~6 months

[05:11:51]

wagnerrp:

but last cycle only saw one sync near the beginning of last year

[05:12:04]

wagnerrp:

no one really wanted to make the choice of which ffmpeg to follow

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k-man:

ah yeah, i forgot about that – is it still split?

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg and libav

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: sphery: way to many people grabbing with /bin/true and 1, likely some guide told them to set up a cronjob instead to achieve "something". But the grabber for "cronjob" is eitonly :D

[05:23:13]

wagnerrp:

yeah, when skd5 aner mentioned that grabber ran manually through cron, i remembered that

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wagnerrp:

'eitonly' would be the default if not otherwise defined

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sphery:

dekarl: for cron job you just uncheck, "Automatically run mythfilldatabase" and backend doesn't run it

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sphery:

default value for grabber is /bin/true

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sphery:

and is ignored if you don't run mfdb

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sphery:

(i.e. for "No grabber" sources) and the whole source is skipped by mfdb for "EIT only" or "No grabber" (meaning the value is irrelevant for them--though probably skews our stats)

[05:26:38]

wagnerrp:

well whatever happens, that data group needs to be a bit more intelligent

[05:27:32]

sphery:

later this week I might get a chance to look at what you guys have and see if we can come up with better grouping

[05:27:54]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i do filter for only video sources attached to an input

[05:28:47]

wagnerrp:

anyway, this is why i wanted this stuff migrated three months ago, rather than two weeks ago

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dekarl:

default value is schedules direct on master a bit before v0.25

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wagnerrp:

so we could start tuning it before release

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dekarl:

and /bin/true is a valid option :) but "1" is not

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont know what thats about

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wagnerrp:

but only one person is doing it that way

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dekarl:

I wonder what the difference between .utf8 and .UTF-8 is. (and what hell breaks loose for those without any utf8 postfix on their locale)

[05:31:30]

sphery:

ah, yeah, it grabs the top of the list now (forgot that it doesn't do defaults right), so SD would be the one that's chosen when you enter the screen

[05:31:52]

sphery:

and it seems for EIT only sources, the value should be written as "eitonly" (as just a marker--not actually executed)

[05:32:03]

sphery:

for no grabber, it actually executes /bin/true

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sphery:

so, really, "No grabber" is the only one that would give /bin/true

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sphery:

wagnerrp: does "that grabber" have code to insert data directly in mythtv db? I'm kind of remembering hearing something about that

[05:33:18]

sphery:

perhaps they set it up as /bin/true, then run a cron to actually do it?

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dekarl:

sphery: sounds ok. Now I just need to push more people into rewriting their "download and import" scripts as real grabbers.

[05:33:29]

sphery:

and it doesn't even use mfdb?

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sphery:

yeah, real grabbers are the way to go

[05:33:59]

sphery:

SQL inserts are crazy

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dekarl:

a quick trip to google says it uses mfdb in a cronjob

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sphery:

hmm, ok--must have been imagining it

[05:37:33]

dekarl:

we could collect the generator information from xmltv for those who manually run mfdb, but then its likely not set anyway

[05:38:05]

wagnerrp:

sphery: no, they just call mythfilldatabase manually with an xml file

[05:38:49]

dekarl:

sphery: that info here https://github.com/alewando/xmltv/blob/master/xmltv.dtd#L95

[05:39:24]

wagnerrp:

if we have some way of knowing whether MFD was run automatically or manually, besides going through the logs...

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dekarl:

would be a nice thing to put on the "general configuration optimizations" page in the system information, together with the non .UTF-8 locale and others ;)

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dekarl:

and EST5EDT style timezones

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wagnerrp:

note, the difference between the two language variables is one is gathered by smolt from the environment, the other is gathered by our grabber through the database

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wagnerrp:

s/language/locale/

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dekarl:

aye, language is locale

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dekarl:

btw, is the statistics tracking table updating again? I'm wondering about the german adoption rate. Spring holidays have just ended this weekend.

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wagnerrp:

would have to ask jams

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dekarl:

jams, there is some table in mysql that gets fed with smolt stats but it appears to not be updating since the move back to the server. would be nice to graph out some adoption/migration rates

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dekarl:

would be great if you can find a moment to restart the collection so we can graph it later

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall if it captures that data in the first place

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dekarl:

at least it should cover smolt (and thus 0.25+) adoption rate methinks

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wagnerrp:

right, but im not sure if it would capture per locale/language/country/whatever

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, there were only about half a dozen fields it recorded with those entries

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dekarl:

shouldn't have looked at the stats to much, looks like we have our share of unwanted grabbers over here, too. (the upstream of tv_grab_de_tvmovie_clickfinder has been asked and they said no, but every now and then a grabber gets written)

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wagnerrp:

heh

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dekarl:

they could at least get their epg from a source like the neutrino guide source as they are so vague about the epg source that one can claim to unknowingly have violated some tos

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dekarl:

for the record, I have to apologize, it apperas to not be related to neutrino. anyway offtopic here

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lautriv:

i have a box where the compilation of 3.2.15 complains about "may need to install module-init-tools" which are in place. iirr there was a fix by something simple but can't remember. any hints ?

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lautriv:

ugh, wron channel, sorry.

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lautriv:

echo "---" >/sys/class/scsi_host/host5/scan seems not longer to work, alternatives ?

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lautriv:

darn, wrong channel again......

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red_one:

Hi. I'd like to try mythtv on-a-stick, so to speak. boot from usb on a pc, and see if it's any good. how can i do this?

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quicksilver:

red_one: there are livecd version of mythbuntu and knoppmyth I believe.

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quicksilver:

(I've not tried either)

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quicksilver:

I'm not sure how useful they are without a backend though

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red_one:

well

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red_one:

i'd like a front-and-backend on the one pc so i can test it out before i decide what to do

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quicksilver:

the backend requires configuration

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quicksilver:

to find your tuner cards and then work out how to download schedules for your region

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quicksilver:

the idea of an all-in-one live CD is not *inconceivable* but if it exists I haven't heard of it :)

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red_one:

well

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red_one:

surely i can have a backend that's also a frontend?

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quicksilver:

absolutely

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quicksilver:

I"m just not sure if a live cd exists that will set it all up for you

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red_one:

bah

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quicksilver:

I even agree it would be a good idea ;)

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quicksilver:

mythdora is aanother one

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quicksilver:

check out mythbuntu, mythdora, knoppmyth and see if any does what you want

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red_one:

mythdora looks dead

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red_one:

oh well, thatnks

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sid3windr:

lautriv: wrong channel, but "- – -", not "---"

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skd5aner:

jya: any idea why RAOP doesn't work from itunes (on windows)? I see it appear in my remote speakers list, but get an error when I attempt to send audio to them

[14:47:07]

jya:

skd5aner: I read an comment on the VLC list a while back (I can't find it anymore) about an extra steps performed in iTunes that verifies that the AirPlay device is using a valid key… that step isn't performed with iOS device

[14:47:30]

skd5aner:

ah, so key revocation then?

[14:47:40]

jya:

no, missing a key

[14:48:12]

skd5aner:

requires more than 1 key?

[14:48:15]

jya:

currently, what the iOS device does is verify that the airplay device sign a packet properly and check the answer

[14:48:31]

jya:

itunes does one extra check.

[14:48:41]

skd5aner:

i see

[14:49:06]

skd5aner:

so, really not something that's going to be fixable anytime in the near future, most likely

[14:49:16]

jya:

That is my recollection, but I could be wrong. Last I checked was month ago, and when I mentioned it to markk ; he was unaware of the problem. So I searched again, and I found nothing on the topic any longer

[14:49:20]

skd5aner:

and, could be a problem if it's ever "fixed" in iOS

[14:49:51]

jya:

I guess once it becomes a problem in iOS too, effort will be stepped up to find out what was wrong

[14:50:42]

skd5aner:

oh sure, all you iOS device owners think you're so... important

[14:50:43]

skd5aner:

;)

[14:51:37]

jya:

i intend to rewrite a good chunk of it ; the way the A/V sync is handled is flawed in my opinion. and for just audio, i get plenty of dropped packets. I've made the test much less strict and it's mostly okay, but I still get a few of those

[14:52:24]

jya:

skd5aner: don't get your previous comment

[14:52:36]

skd5aner:

got several ipods, none of them iOS (old 2003 3G, 2005 5G, 2006 nano 2G, and 2010 nano 5g)

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skd5aner:

jya: just playing around, saying that the iTunes users aren't as important as the iOS device users

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: do any of those have any kind of network access?

[14:53:21]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: no

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jya:

skd5aner: I guess it's more to do that there are workaround available for iTunes

[14:53:44]

wagnerrp:

i think my dad has one of the nano 5gs, or maybe 6g

[14:53:49]

skd5aner:

jya: oh?

[14:53:58]

wagnerrp:

the small square touchscreen one

[14:54:00]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: the 6g is the sqare...

[14:54:08]

skd5aner:

square

[14:54:14]

jya:

like I share the drive containing my audio files. and I can play them on another device that way

[14:54:20]

wagnerrp:

the 5g still has the wheel?

[14:54:23]

skd5aner:

yea

[14:54:33]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-xXXQqGeC447/lear . . . enchart.html

[14:54:50]

** jya I should never have sold my iPod 5gig with plastic wheel **

[14:55:02]

skd5aner:

jya: that's still my primary ipod... ove it

[14:55:03]

skd5aner:

love it

[14:55:05]

jya:

I thought it was so brilliant at the time...

[14:55:26]

jya:

yet, I never imagined for a second that the ipod would become such a success

[14:55:32]

skd5aner:

funny enough, my ipod 3g (monochrome) still has the best touch response of any I've ever used... it had the molded wheel/buttons

[14:56:00]

jya:

I even bought my first mac because the PC sync was so crap. and I found the ipod so elegant I wanted to checkout the mac too

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skd5aner:

heh – my first Mac was back in ~1992 – a Mac LC

[14:58:08]

skd5aner:

athen had some abomination ~1996, dont' even recall what it was... and then a 15" powerbook in 2004... haven't made the leap back yet, still a PC guy

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skd5aner:

Love the hardware, not so fond of the company

[14:59:06]

jya:

my dad always had a mac, I stopped at the apple 2gs… I hated mac os 9 and earlier

[14:59:07]

** seeker has 2 Linux mythtv boxes, a windows gaming PC and a MBP **

[14:59:24]

skd5aner:

admire what they've accomplished, and their design – I just find them a little too evil, but they're pretty good at disguising it

[15:00:12]

skd5aner:

anyway – what's was the itunes workaround you were speaking of?

[15:00:41]

quicksilver:

skd5aner: share the library folder using a file sharing protocol

[15:00:59]

quicksilver:

or heck even rsync it.

[15:01:14]

skd5aner:

quicksilver: you mean to playback via mythmusic

[15:01:15]

skd5aner:

?

[15:01:21]

quicksilver:

for example, yes

[15:01:31]

quicksilver:

or into the working directory of a DLNA server

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skd5aner:

I've done that for ever... but I wouldn't really consider that a "workaround"

[15:01:41]

seeker:

Not really a "workaround"

[15:02:06]

seeker:

A workaround would allow you to use the same control mechanism and the same output

[15:02:22]

quicksilver:

I guess the point is with other ways to get your music "out of" iTunes, there is less incentive to get RAOP working.

[15:02:23]

seeker:

Myth music isn't anywhere near as nice as iTunes to use

[15:02:25]

skd5aner:

yea, which is what I was wondering if JYA was refering to

[15:03:03]

jya:

skd5aner: I explained what I'm doing to play out of itunes...

[15:03:33]

jya:

all my audio files are on my network, I share the same drive on my mac, and on my myth frontend

[15:03:36]

skd5aner:

seeker: I really wish I could sync the itunes playcount when played in mythmusic, but that's a different story since itunes doesn't leverage the id3 playcount tag, they just do it in their DB

[15:03:51]

jya:

so I've never had an issue playing my files

[15:03:58]

skd5aner:

jya: ah, I must have missed you explaining that above?

[15:04:20]

seeker:

I tried using myth music, and quickly gave up

[15:04:32]

skd5aner:

doh, yea... I did – <jya> like I share the drive containing my audio files. and I can play them on another device that way

[15:05:05]

quicksilver:

skd5aner: probably not too difficult to work out the sqlite command to pull that out

[15:05:12]

quicksilver:

skd5aner: (and then push it into mythmusic)

[15:05:30]

skd5aner:

quicksilver: even if feasible, the problem would be syncing them back

[15:05:48]

quicksilver:

yes, no idea if you're allowed to modify the sqlite db when iTunes is running :)

[15:06:34]

jya:

itunes 10 has the ability to update the play count when played via the HomeSharing option

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jya:

would need to track how they are doing so

[15:07:21]

jya:

so if you browse the files from an appleTV, play it, it will increase the playcount on itunes

[15:07:58]

skd5aner:

jya: hmmm, now that'd be interesting if mythtv could leverage that... right now I just share my music library via cifs

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skd5aner:

ah, tupac has a twitter account now – gee, which dead guy should I start exploiting?

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wagnerrp:

franklin, you could start the poor skeleton's almanac

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jm|laptop:

has logging moved entirely into the database?

[15:46:54]

wagnerrp:

both

[15:47:08]

wagnerrp:

database logging is enabled by default

[15:47:08]

** jm|laptop checks his startup script, then **

[15:47:19]

wagnerrp:

but mythtv will continue to use terminal logging as well

[15:47:31]

jm|laptop:

backend?

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wagnerrp:

unless specified otherwise with a --logpath, or --syslog

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wagnerrp:

(or both)

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jm|laptop:

PARAMS="--user mythtv --syslog -d"

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wagnerrp:

database logging is toggled independently

[15:48:28]

wagnerrp:

but use of either --logpath or --syslog will disable terminal logging

[15:49:18]

wagnerrp:

and if you specify --syslog, you may need to provide the facility to use

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jm|laptop:

mythbackend --user mythtv --logpath /var/log/mythbackend.log -d I'm using this and nothing is going to /var/log/mythbackend.log :/

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wagnerrp:

thats right, you gave it a filename, not a path

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wagnerrp:

path being a directory

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jm|laptop:

ohhh

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wagnerrp:

mythtv wants to log to /your/path/<appname>.<timestamp>.<pid>.log

[15:53:10]

wagnerrp:

so all tha various applications do not confusingly overlap in logs

[15:53:54]

wagnerrp:

and there is a distinct separation between different runs, preventing people from posting several dozen megs and months worth of logs, when we really only one the last few thousand lines

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jm|laptop:

mythbackend --user mythtv --logpath /var/log/mythbackend/ -d is this valid?

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wagnerrp:

yes, but any processes mythbackend starts will be shoved in /var/log/mythbackend as well

[15:58:14]

wagnerrp:

any commflagging, transcoding, metadatalookup, preview generation, or guide data processing will be in there

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jm|laptop:

that should be okay

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jm|laptop:

nothing is being written there though :/

[15:59:02]

wagnerrp:

does the 'mythtv' user have write access to that directory?

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jm|laptop:

I thought so but you're probably right :/

[16:00:00]

jm|laptop:

wagnerrp: thanks. Sorry.

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wagnerrp:

i wrote this a while back... https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . ogcleanup.py

[16:03:59]

wagnerrp:

leaves traditional logrotation to rotate the individual files

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wagnerrp:

but cleans up old copies from previous runs

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** jm|laptop bookmarks **

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: smolt hosts went down for the first time since release

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skd5aner:

was 490 when I checked last night, now 475 active

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wagnerrp:

that simply shouldnt be possible

[16:06:39]

wagnerrp:

its a fresh database, only a few weeks old

[16:06:49]

wagnerrp:

and that counter is anything within the past 90 days

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skd5aner:

well, when I refreshed the page yesterday, it said 490, just refreshed it, and now says 475

[16:07:18]

skd5aner:

I was expecting it to be over 500 :)

[16:08:54]

wagnerrp:

maybe the database got reset for some purpose

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jm|laptop:

djmount is not liking myth's upnp

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wagnerrp:

one user <256MB of memory

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wagnerrp:

blech

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wagnerrp:

jm|laptop: use mythlink.pl and NFS

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jm|laptop:

okay

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wagnerrp:

unless youre trying to test UPNP for other reasons

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jm|laptop:

well, I'm trying to transcode with vlc to a upnp client

[16:11:04]

jm|laptop:

I had little success with upnp+vlc proper, so I was trying to fudge it

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jm|laptop:

NFS over samba?

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wagnerrp:

better to invest time trying to hook the HLS streamer into the UPNP server

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wagnerrp:

if you can use NFS, and you have no reason to use samba (authentication needs), you should use NFS

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jm|laptop:

k

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wagnerrp:

NFS is significantly higher performance than CIFS, for simplicity reasons if nothing else

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jm|laptop:

indeed

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jams:

skd5aner- there are 477 hosts in the DB, I know I didn't refresh it

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jams:

it's possible that people removed their profile.

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jams:

just based of the difference in sequence id's it looks like 2 people have removed profiles

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toeb:

does "but you must automatically or manually set inetrefs on your recording rules and/or recordings for this to work" in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . adata_Lookup mean i have to setup a cron job to do a "mythmetadatalookup --refresh-all" ?

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wagnerrp:

toeb: wrong quote?

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wagnerrp:

toeb: there are two settings inside mythtv

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wagnerrp:

one is the metadata lookup job

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wagnerrp:

which runs automatically on each recording, if the recording rule is set to run it

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wagnerrp:

and looks up season and episode number, and inetref if not defined in the recording rule itself

[16:22:18]

wagnerrp:

that is set per recording rule

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wagnerrp:

the other is the artwork grabber, which if enabled, will run once per day, grabbing artwork for any recording with an inetref set

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wagnerrp:

--refresh-all should only ever be run once, and only when converting from 0.24 to the new data fields in 0.25

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toeb:

ok thanks, i was only looking at the Upgrade cheat sheet and was not sure if the second bullet point means i have to do something different from what's in the rest of the wiki entry

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, is that something we should be recommending people run after upgrading to 0.25?

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kisak:

wagnerrp: /usr/share/mythtv/hardwareprofile/hwdata.py depends on /usr/share/misc/usb.ids (sys-apps/usbutils on gentoo) to run and does not give a clear error that usb.ids is the file that is missing, my backend has usb disabled, so it doesn't need usbutils otherwise

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wagnerrp:

you disabled USB?

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kisak:

there's no reason for a usb device to be connected to my headless backend, so it's left out of the kernel

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: as a transition from JAMU to the internal support? possibly

[16:29:59]

wagnerrp:

what good does leaving USB out of the kernel get you?

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I do think you may want to consider if it's necessary to somehow easily enable "autometadata" on all existing recording rules

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skd5aner:

right now, the only options are to go in via the UI one at a time (very tedious) or a direct SQL query against the DB (potentially dangerous)

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kisak:

wagnerrp: it's one less way to get data on or off my server, the cdrom drive is also physically disconnected for what it's worth

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wagnerrp:

your server is located somewhere that you are concerned people will attempt to physically breach it?

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kisak:

I'd rather be paranoid since it is in a common area of my house

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: would be a useful feature, however im a bit averse to adding new options to mythtv-setup, considering its going away

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I can totally understand that, but in my case, it made the metadata stuff practically unusable after following the three commands on the cheat seet

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skd5aner:

sheet

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: id rather see something added to mythutil, just to run such SQL queries for you

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skd5aner:

everything already recorded go (sorta) updated... but new recordings from existing rules still appeared to not gather metadata or artwork

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skd5aner:

s/go/got

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skd5aner:

my kvm likes to eat keystrokes a little too frequently :P

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wagnerrp:

oh, youre saying have --refresh-all enable it for all existing rules?

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wagnerrp:

to use as a one-off when updating?

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skd5aner:

I would think so, or add yet-another-flag to i.e.: --auto-update-existing or something

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skd5aner:

yes

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skd5aner:

The description would read "update all existing recording rules to allow automatic metadata lookups/updates (if daily updates are scheduled)" or something like that

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dbw42:

I just updated the wiki for VAAPI and I was wondering if there was someone that could test the settings for me (they need to be running 0.25 and have Intel integrated graphics): http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VAAPI

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lautriv:

dbw42, you have luck, i'm actually changing some frontends where a few of them have integrated intel. Before i can do so, i have to find the reason why sound stopped (kernel-related issue) ;)

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wagnerrp:

lautriv: note, VAAPI only works on a few rare integrated intel chipsets

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wagnerrp:

the low end 500/600, and the very high end X4500HD

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lautriv:

wagnerrp, heard a bit about it, not sure what'S in those frontends right now.

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wagnerrp:

the primary use for VAAPI is going to be the i3/i5 processors

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wagnerrp:

however its really going to be more of a 'nicety' rather than a requirement

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wagnerrp:

as just about all of those should be able to handle any commercial content you throw at them

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wagnerrp:

in software

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lautriv:

wagnerrp, i'm actually fighting with some boxes on nouveau (looks like libs mismatch for glx) and yesterday i lost sound on several boxes without a known reason o.O

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: do we have a repository for web stuff?

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wagnerrp:

services and the like?

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dbw42:

I think that the VAAPI stuff will be more important for those with lower end systems. From what I understand, it should work with G45 (mpeg2 only I believe), 2000, 3000 so for those with lower end systems having the video accel. not being done by the processor will be helpful. Not to mention cutting down on power consumption

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dbw42:

also for those of us that like to have our systems as feature rich as possible :)

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wagnerrp:

a G45 means a Core2

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wagnerrp:

and you have to have a pretty low end one to struggle with MPEG2

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dbw42:

not if you are trying to repurpose some old hardware that is running as a frontend and backend with multiple tuners, any time you can offload stuff from the processor helps

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wagnerrp:

MPEG2 decoding is single threaded

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wagnerrp:

meaning such a machine would be at most, only half used

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wagnerrp:

the only intensive process the backend has to do is scheduling, which is also single threaded

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dbw42:

that is true, but once you start commercial flagging, recording multiple shows, and playing back a recording that processor starts being used pretty quickly

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lautriv:

dbw42, wasn't that the reason for slave-backends ?

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wagnerrp:

slave backends are for extra tuners and storage, both of which consume practically zero CPU

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dbw42:

yes, I just think there are a lot of users that are looking for options to repurpose some old hardware, an old laptop, or desktop, most don't have the time, money, or hardware to have a slave backend, so that's why I think this new hardware decoding is so helpful, people like having one device for everything, and this makes it even more possible to replace the crappy DVR's that most cable companies are handing out

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** wagnerrp wants one device to connect to an array of other devices for everything **

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yes, but not public

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Beirdo:

oh crap, I was going to move it into gitolite over the weekend

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Beirdo:

I knew I forgot something

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wagnerrp:

yeah, was about to say i dont see it in the gitolite directory

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Beirdo:

it's local on alcor under /opt/git/web

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Beirdo:

but it occasionally has issues with perms

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Beirdo:

well, there are two under that dir

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Beirdo:

I'll move them tonight

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wagnerrp:

i can wait until then

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Beirdo:

and setup perms that match current

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Beirdo:

OK, make that 3 of them :)

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lautriv:

anyone else me having issues with glx ?

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Beirdo:

lautriv: not me

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lautriv:

i get this message --> (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: undefined symbol: miEmptyData...................assuming it's some versioning problem.

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like a message from X, not mythtv

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kormoc:

that is a message from X

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wagnerrp:

a distro problem

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wagnerrp:

wait... why are you trying to use nouveau?

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wizbit:

this is the first time ever deciding _not_ to upgrade mythtv, i might wait until 0.25.1

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wizbit:

why upgrade something what already works

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wagnerrp:

it works better?

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wizbit:

i doubt if i will notice

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, More folks will be using Nouveau soon, http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/04/13/2359 . . . ble-on-linux

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dekarl:

wizbit: you'll likely notice when you next channel scan ;)

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wizbit:

aye ok, ill save it for 0.25.1

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lis0r:

is it not rubbish yet?

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wizbit:

?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: looks like unless youre running a fairly ancient G8x core, its not worth the look

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, for 3d, that is true. for 2d, it's fairly useful and people won't really know the difference

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jm|laptop:

my DVB-T2 tuners seem to have problem with non-HD material :S

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lautriv:

wagnerrp, sorry was afk........i will/must use nouveau because this card ( Quadro4 380 XGL ) has no propietary support on recent kernels .

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wagnerrp:

wowee... yeah, the legacy 73.x is probably the last line to support that card

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Beirdo:

my coworkers are daft

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wagnerrp:

ive had something similar wasting away in a drawer for about 5 years

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Beirdo:

time to drown them out with some Pandora

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skd5aner:

steep drop off after EN and DE usage

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allesmueller:

huh? core_mythtranscode.992 when using mythtranscode with --fifoinfo

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allesmueller:

--fifodir works though

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allesmueller:

I´m on 0.25, did someone else experience this?

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allesmueller:

Core was generated by `mythtranscode --fifoinfo --profile autodetect --chanid 29724 --starttime 200812'.

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allesmueller:

Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.

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Beirdo:

gdb -c core -se `which mythtranscode`

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allesmueller:

http://pastebin.com/NpPaSNR0

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Beirdo:

now: bt, followed by thread apply all bt

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Beirdo:

:)

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allesmueller:

thr a a bt

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Beirdo:

the first backtrace lets us see what actually crapped.

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Beirdo:

the second lists backtrace for all threads

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allesmueller:

http://pastebin.com/weNieCZH

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Beirdo:

k, one sec :)

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Beirdo:

this is happening after finishing the entire transcode, I assume?

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allesmueller:

this is with fifoinfo

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allesmueller:

so actually no transcode or limited transcode takes place?

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Beirdo:

ahh, missed that part in your command line

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Beirdo:

hmm, let me take a look

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allesmueller:

last few lines:2012-04–16 21:24:17.085777 I FifoAudioFormat raw

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allesmueller:

2012-04–16 21:24:17.085798 I FifoAudioChannels 2

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allesmueller:

2012-04–16 21:24:17.085810 I FifoAudioSampleRate 48000

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allesmueller:

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

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Beirdo:

I think somehow it's trying to double-delete the player

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Beirdo:

you compile your own?

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allesmueller:

yes

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Beirdo:

perfect :) in mythtv/programs/mythtranscode/transcode.cpp

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allesmueller:

so, if you want me to test a patch

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allesmueller:

I commented something out now

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Beirdo:

at line 751, right after "delete player_ctx;" add "player_ctx = NULL;"

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Beirdo:

and try that

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allesmueller:

in if (fifoinfo) almost all

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allesmueller:

ok

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Beirdo:

now WHY it's trying, I'm not sure yet

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Beirdo:

but looking at the backtrace, it does seem to be hitting there twice

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allesmueller:

make is running

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Beirdo:

K :)

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allesmueller:

bahhh, I was stupid enough to pull, _before_ playing with transcode :( ... now the compile takes its time

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

my mythbackend likely spends on average 12h a day compiling

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Beirdo:

ah crap. vista slave is down... again

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allesmueller:

better than idling 24h and still using power

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

still hugging trees huh

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justinh:

24/7 on backend FTW

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Beirdo:

screw treehugging :)

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Beirdo:

frontend and all my other boxen are on 24/7 too

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Beirdo:

although the Vista VM likes to be crashed a lot

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allesmueller:

Beirdo, http://pastebin.com/ztFK65M6 – is that correct?

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allesmueller:

it still segfaults

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Beirdo:

looks like the right spot, yes

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Beirdo:

same backtrace?

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allesmueller:

0 0x00007fbe28f000aa in PlayerContext::StopPlaying (this=0x230ace0) at playercontext.cpp:483

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allesmueller:

483 player->StopPlaying();

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Beirdo:

print player :)

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allesmueller:

(gdb) print player

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allesmueller:

$1 = (MythPlayer *) 0x22cacf0

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** allesmueller learns: "using gdb" **

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allesmueller:

full "thr a a bt" http://pastebin.com/vFbnQ4JB

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Beirdo:

K, so it's not that player is null.

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Beirdo:

Hmm, could you put in a ticket? This is definitely reproducable on my system, so I'll dig into it tonight.

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allesmueller:

sure, thanks for taking care – should I assign to you?

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Beirdo:

easier to squash a bug that I can see happen :)

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Beirdo:

sure

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Beirdo:

if it doesn't do it automagically

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allesmueller:

yes hunting ghosts is a pain

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Beirdo:

I just needed more bugs to chase :)

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allesmueller:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it will get squashed nicely.

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Beirdo:

I'm sure it's something stupid in the end, it invariably is

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allesmueller:

Beirdo, I ´m not allowed to assign the ticket #10616

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10616 **

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Beirdo:

thanks

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allesmueller:

another thing, I think it would be helpful if one could link to WikiFormatting from the create ticket page. It is only referenced on the "update ticket" page

[20:26:25]

azeoi:

hello

[20:27:00]

azeoi:

nione ?

[20:27:05]

Beirdo:

yeah, dunno if it's setup to do that

[20:27:18]

Beirdo:

azeoi: patience :)

[20:28:05]

Beirdo:

allesmueller: I get the exact same crash on my setup, so this should be simple enough to fix once I'm at home and ready to kill it. :)

[20:28:21]

Beirdo:

azeoi: there are people here. no worries

[20:28:24]

wagnerrp:

azeoi: cant very well help you without a question

[20:28:42]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: didnt we used to have the ticket howto referenced from the 'new ticket' page?

[20:28:56]

azeoi:

hello there

[20:29:15]

azeoi:

well, anyone check this tutorial http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dreambox-NetworkRecorder?

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allesmueller:

Beirdo, thanks – that would mean: I can go to bed now and tomorrow it´s fixed B-)

[20:29:20]

azeoi:

working ?

[20:29:59]

wagnerrp:

azeoi: i doubt more than a handful of users are recording in mythtv using a dreambox

[20:30:07]

wagnerrp:

and very much doubt any of them frequent this irc channel

[20:30:09]

Beirdo:

allesmueller: hopefully, yes :)

[20:30:18]

wagnerrp:

any reason you cant just use a normal tuner card?

[20:30:39]

wagnerrp:

there are S/S2 tuner cards available with CI slots and CAM support

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wagnerrp:

or you may be able to use the vtuner driver

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allesmueller:

wagnerrp, unfortunately it´s also not linked in the TicketHowTo page ... that´s the reason I got impatient an just pasted in – looks scary -.-

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azeoi:

i can't follow you

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wagnerrp:

there doesnt seem to be much sense to such a circuitous route for recording

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to use it as a generic DVB tuner, using the linux vtuner driver

[20:35:46]

wagnerrp:

or, why not just use a proper tuner card, since there are ones available that have CI slots to allow capture of encrypted content

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azeoi:

which one ?

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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wagnerrp:

any supported by the linuxtv project

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justinh:

right. where was I up to? hmmm

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azeoi:

okay for now i just only dreambox

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azeoi:

that's why

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wagnerrp:

then try the vtuner driver

[20:40:23]

azeoi:

well, do you check that link http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dreambox-NetworkRecorder ? is that working ?

[20:40:36]

wagnerrp:

no clue

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azeoi:

ok

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justinh:

hmmm. preview schedule changes... nothing found :-\

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azeoi:

how to check if my dreambox got CI slots ?

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wagnerrp:

however using VLC as an IPTV video source is a really cludgy way to go about doing things if you dont need to

[20:41:57]

justinh:

azeoi: don't you know?

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azeoi:

no

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justinh:

how can you not know?

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azeoi:

tell me what you know about that ?

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justinh:

anyway AFAIK all dreamboxes have at least one CI slot

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justinh:

look on the dreambox website to be sure. search for whatever model number you have

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justinh:

regarding the dreambox network recorder in mythtv.. I think that was dropped

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wagnerrp:

dropped prior to 0.22, maybe 0.21

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azeoi:

you mean asking to check if the device with CI slots

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

you know what model dreambox you have. you can check yourself

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azeoi:

can decrypt encrypted content ?

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azeoi:

dm800HD

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justinh:

if it has one or more CI slots, and you have the right CAM & viewing card, YES you can decrypt encrypted content

[20:45:35]

wagnerrp:

when hes getting at is the only reason people bought dreamboxes in the first place was because they were one of the first devices with a CI slot that you could capture from

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wagnerrp:

hes expecting you to already know all this stuff, assuming thats why you bought one

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justinh:

DM800HD has ONE CI slot

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azeoi:

i just only buy this device because it is linux based one

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azeoi:

how to decrypt ?

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wagnerrp:

you dont expect to run mythtv on that puny little MIPS core do you?

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justinh:

1. subscribe to a channel package. that will get you a viewing card. get a CAM, plug CAM into the DM800HD, plug the viewing card into the CAM.. off you go

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wagnerrp:

you need a separate PC to run MythTV on, you cannot install it directly to the DM800, even though it runs linux

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azeoi:

what CAM i have to get ?

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wagnerrp:

depends on your provider

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azeoi:

eurobird 9E

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justinh:

that's the satellite, not the provider

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azeoi:

globecast

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azeoi:

?

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justinh:

no idea. don't you know?

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justinh:

we don't live where you live, so how can we be expected to know this stuff?

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azeoi:

ok what i have to check ?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: saw your comments earlier regarding the HDPVR gaming edition. It is the same basic product, but with a different set of cables (extra component cables, no IR blaster, etc).

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wagnerrp:

so same latency as the normal product?

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devinheitmueller:

Also, the "no delay passthrough" feature is because the product has component out which can be connected to the television. Hence, you can record the gameplay while watching it live on the TV.

[20:55:43]

devinheitmueller:

Correct, absolutely no difference in latency.

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wagnerrp:

i thought the stock HDPVR had passthrough as well

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wagnerrp:

two sets of ports in the back, one in, one passthrough

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: correct – although the stock HDPVR doesn't provide all the cables you would need to implement it.

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justinh:

azeoi: usually, in the country where you live, you would become aware of different TV providers through their marketing campaigns.. so I assume people where you live must become aware of tv providers a similar way :P

[20:56:33]

devinheitmueller:

The two products have the same basic capture capabilities.

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wagnerrp:

heh... so its an extra set of cables, and a different color?

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devinheitmueller:

Pretty much. Also no IR blaster and I'm not sure it's certified to use with Windows Media Center.

[20:57:39]

devinheitmueller:

It's basically the subset of functionality that you would need for recording gameplay, without all the stuff you would need for recording TV.

[20:58:27]

devinheitmueller:

And this is completely speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually eliminated the component passthrough in future versions of the non-gaming product to reduce cost.

[20:58:43]

devinheitmueller:

.... since that's the only use case that you would need the passthrough for...

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devinheitmueller:

Oh, and if you look here, you will see the product ships with a cable specifically targeted for the popular consoles: http://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr-gaming.html

[21:00:47]

azeoi:

well i just find some code here http://www.sat-universe.com/showthread.php?p=899522

[21:00:53]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Crap, the iframe didn't get through. Click that link then click on the gallery tab, then the third photo.

[21:00:56]

azeoi:

i dont know how to configure it ?

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azeoi:

on my box

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justinh:

azeoi: you cannot talk about that kind of decryption here. AT ALL

[21:02:28]

justinh:

if you want to use such crap, you need to look under rocks, like that sat-universe site & ask for help there

[21:03:02]

justinh:

this channel is for helping users of MythTV not the DM800 satellite stealing box

[21:06:03]

justinh:

IMHO anybody who buys that kind of hardware thinking "wooo, free pay TV" deserves everything they (don't) get

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k-man:

is there some way i could get one button on my remote to turn the TV off and pause mythtv at the same time?

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allesmueller:

k-man, are you using a programmable remote?

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k-man:

allesmueller, yes

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allesmueller:

I´m talking pure theory – I have never tried that:

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justinh:

so you need to program a macro. see your remote's user manual :-)

[21:51:29]

allesmueller:

justinh, if it can do macros, yes

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justinh:

isn't it always funny how I keep running into people with dreamboxes & all they seem to want to do is STEAL

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justinh:

the local computer fairs here used to sell em. til the cable provider started using SECA3. LOL

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allesmueller:

k-man, otherwise learn it the TV-power off, then change the lirc settings to take the same sequence for pause.

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justinh:

or what allesmueller said :-)

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justinh:

most learning remotes can do macros though

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** allesmueller didn´t own one yet **

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justinh:

I was trying to find out about the new harmony 300 remote today – to see if its keys are the conductive rubber kind or if they're the useless bits of bent tin that wore out on my 515

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justinh:

because on the 300 they've ditched the (pointless if your TV hasn't got discrete IR codes for inputs) activities feature

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allesmueller:

also the rubber things have a limited life time

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justinh:

yeah but so far I've yet to run into problems with those with a 15 month old remote

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k-man:

wouldn't the macro need to know the state of the TV? ie, when turning on TV, don't unpause or change the state of mythtv, but when turning off TV, pause if mythtv is playing

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k-man:

but if mythtv is not playing, don't change mythtv's state

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justinh:

k-man: so no can do, without an IR blaster

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justinh:

and a script

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k-man:

justinh, right.... but it could be done with other tools

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allesmueller:

24:00=0:00=time for bed, gn8

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k-man:

night

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justinh:

if your TV has discrete codes for on & off you should be ok

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justinh:

some do, most don't

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justinh:

your script would have to make certain assumptions too

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justinh:

if your TV is fancy maybe you could ping it ;-)

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justinh:

actually if it's that fancy you could prolly control it over the network too

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k-man:

yes, i'll be getting a new tv soon so i might wait until then to implement it

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k-man:

the CEC thing might be useful

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justinh:

gonna do battle with digital audio tomorrow while the new boiler is being fitted

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justinh:

I'll beat the damn thing one way or another. Me, if it was up to me I'd just take out the speakers & AV amp. But no, wife says it must stay

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justinh:

still need analogue stereo to work for stereo stuff, but anything with digital surround goes to the amp via spdif

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justinh:

and when it does that, nothing to analogue

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wagnerrp:

!seen kormoc

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MythLogBot:

kormoc is here and has been idle for 4 hours 29 minutes 9 seconds

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wagnerrp:

you about?

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kormoc:

I am

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wagnerrp:

im finally getting around to putting that mythwikiscripts thing into services.mythtv.org

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wagnerrp:

to get rid of the nasty 'pickle' instability, as well as the ~90second poll for a fresh run

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wagnerrp:

do you suggest storing the scripts as mediumtext fields in the DB? or just as referenced files on the filesystem?

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wagnerrp:

i dont intend to be doing any sort of searching through them, just caching

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kormoc:

the db makes sense. You can't run them or anything from there

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sphery:

hehe, pickle instability... sounds like a subtitle for an episode of The Big Bang Theory

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