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Tuesday, April 10th, 2012, 00:07 UTC

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mzb:

during recent issues/changes I

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mzb:

oops

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mzb:

during recent issues/changes I've discovered my 6(?) yo database has a 600MB recordedseek table

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mzb:

why is it keeping old stuff?

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DeviceZer0:

sphery, hmm. ok ill check that link out thanks

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wagnerrp:

mzb: it is not keeping old stuff

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wagnerrp:

that table gets cleaned out daily

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wagnerrp:

how many recordings do you have?

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mzb:

err

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mzb:

hard to say ... got lots of videos too

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wagnerrp:

recordings only

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wagnerrp:

anything video would go into filemarkup

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wagnerrp:

and only if you manually triggered a scan for them

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mzb:

1044 programs, using 3.8 TB (2 months 13 days 10 hrs 8 mins) out of 6.4 TB (259 GB free)

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mzb:

(mythweb)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i could see that much video producing a markup table that large

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mzb:

ah ok

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mzb:

I just saw the start of the dump with a 2007 date and figured it was ALL of it ... bad assumption!

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wagnerrp:

remember, its one several hundred byte entry, roughly twice per second, for all two and a half months

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the recordedseek/markup are one of the few tables forcefully cleansed

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mzb:

righto

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wagnerrp:

even if you manually delete a database entry improperly

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mzb:

I was feeling guilty about getting a revodrive ... no I feel re-justified ;))

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mzb:

s/now

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wagnerrp:

there is a daily cleaner in the housekeeping routines that clear out any data from that or half a dozen other tables that doesnt have a matching entry in `recorded`

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mzb:

ok .. thanks for that ... got a 2nd question if you're up for it:

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wagnerrp:

shoot

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mzb:

I made a mistake with deleting my db! I recovered my old db, so I've got a gap in recordings of about 4 weeks total ... some of which is covered by the temp db I ran (while finding the backup;))

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mzb:

how do I import recorded from the temp db?

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mzb:

I've tried doing a dump, then editing it to "INSERT IGNORE" but it didn't work

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wagnerrp:

there really is no proper tool to do so

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mzb:

I only want the 2–4 weeks of missing data ... ie: for the recordings to show up in the list

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mzb:

oh ... hang on

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wagnerrp:

right

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mzb:

I could probably import to a db, then write a script that finds the missing recordings, and imports

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mzb:

that'd work

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mzb:

(not enough caffeine yet;))

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wagnerrp:

on the same schema version, you could do some finagling with python bindings to pull it off

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt suggest trying to do anything with the dumpfile itself

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wagnerrp:

definitely restore it to an alternate database

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mzb:

yep

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mzb:

fwiw, the revodrive (v1) is awesome ... I can only imagine what the x4 ones are like!

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mzb:

120GB revodrive (2x60GB in Linux software raid0) for <$200 delivered

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mzb:

*and* frees a SATA port

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DeviceZer0:

alo I cannot recall if I asked this yesterday but I see this in my backend logs: http://fpaste.org/eTXq/

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DeviceZer0:

not sure what it means and if its bad

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mzb:

fwiw, the HDHR has new firmware from 4–5 days ago

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DeviceZer0:

yea I upadted yesterday :)

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mzb:

using symlinks ... err ... are the permissions on the original content right for the mythtv user?

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wagnerrp:

mzb: "sh: mythlink.pl: not found"

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mzb:

I get the impression that's two errors

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wagnerrp:

well i mean thats why mythlink isnt working

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt exist

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wagnerrp:

nothing to do with file permissions

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mzb:

wagnerrp: I was looking at "2012-04–09 19:59:07.763 HDHRSH(192.168.5.2–0) Error: UpdateFilters called in wrong tune mode" and then noticed the links

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mzb:

yep

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mzb:

absolutely

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DeviceZer0:

hmm

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DeviceZer0:

I think the database is from a previous install where I was using mythsymlink

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mzb:

the hdhr error suggests you're running an OLD version of mythtv

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DeviceZer0:

0.24-fixes

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mzb:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/998288d . . . b08dc48f362/

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mzb:

hehe

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DeviceZer0:

MythTV Version : v0.24.2-20-g0006ba7

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wagnerrp:

the log format suggests running an OLD version of mythtv too... :)

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** mzb isn't doing *everything* wrong this morning, then? ;) **

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DeviceZer0:

I just noticed the backend log issue cuz my prime has stopped tuning *LOT* of my channels

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DeviceZer0:

I got a new cc on the way(should be here tomorrow)...im just praying verizon has not flipped the switch and changed most channels to encrypted

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DeviceZer0:

or rather....copy-once/never

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DeviceZer0:

I've had the prime since november and have not missed a single recording...then yesterday...it stopped recording practically everything

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DeviceZer0:

jludka in #hdhomerun suggested it may be my cc card is going

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mzb:

wagnerrp:

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mzb:

assuming you've restored a dump to 'mythtemp':

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mzb:

CREATE TABLE mythtemp.missingrecorded LIKE mythconverg.recorded;

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mzb:

ALTER TABLE mythtemp.missingrecorded DISABLE KEYS;

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mzb:

INSERT INTO mythtemp.missingrecorded SELECT * FROM mythtemp.recorded WHERE starttime BETWEEN '20120308' AND '20120409';

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mzb:

ALTER TABLE mythtemp.missingrecorded ENABLE KEYS;

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mzb:

*works*

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mzb:

now to just slightly modify that to INSERT IGNORE for mythconverg.recorded

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mzb:

ie: INSERT IGNORE INTO mythconverg.recorded SELECT * FROM mythtemp.recorded WHERE starttime BETWEEN '20120308' AND '20120409';

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mzb:

(only 35 shows ... so missing ~2 weeks ... oops!)

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mzb:

either way ... got shows from Mar26 to Apr9

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mzb:

excellent!

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wagnerrp:

that gets you `recorded`, but there are many other tables

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wagnerrp:

recordedprogram, oldrecorded, recordedseek (which can be rebuilt), recordedmarkup (some of which can be rebuilt), recordedcredits and people, recordedartwork (0.25 only)

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wagnerrp:

probably some additional i cant think of off hand

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else, oldrecorded is needed for duplicate matching

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mzb:

oh

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mzb:

ok

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mzb:

INSERT IGNORE INTO mythconverg.oldrecorded SELECT * FROM mythtemp.oldrecorded WHERE starttime BETWEEN '20120308' AND '20120409';

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mzb:

Query OK, 479 rows affected (0.10 sec)

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mzb:

Records: 479 Duplicates: 0 Warnings: 0

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mzb:

easy enough, I guess ;)

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mzb:

INSERT IGNORE INTO mythconverg.recordedseek SELECT * FROM mythtemp.recordedseek WHERE starttime BETWEEN '20120308' AND '20120409';

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mzb:

INSERT IGNORE INTO mythconverg.recordedmarkup SELECT * FROM mythtemp.recordedmarkup WHERE starttime BETWEEN '20120308' AND '20120409';

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mzb:

INSERT IGNORE INTO mythconverg.recordedcredits SELECT * FROM mythtemp.recordedcredits WHERE starttime BETWEEN '20120308' AND '20120409';

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mzb:

INSERT IGNORE INTO mythconverg.people SELECT * FROM mythtemp.people;

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wagnerrp:

people should be fine as it is

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wagnerrp:

but recordedcredits links recordings to people

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mzb:

artwork?

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wagnerrp:

0.25 only

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mzb:

oh, right

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mzb:

does optimize/repair detect credits/people issues?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

all it does is generic mysql stuff

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mzb:

people insert did this, fwiw:

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mzb:

Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.10 sec)

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mzb:

Records: 39907 Duplicates: 39907 Warnings: 0

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wagnerrp:

not anything specific to mythtv's data structure

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mzb:

so no new inserts anyway

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mzb:

righto

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i wouldnt expect it

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mzb:

credits was 96 records

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wagnerrp:

non-duplicate inserts would mean you made recordings in the past month with cast members never before recorded

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mzb:

yep

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mzb:

well ... missing two weeks is much better than missing a month ... particularly as it's the most recent two weeks

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** mzb wonders if he can find a backup to cover that period? **

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wagnerrp:

how much guide data do you have?

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mzb:

8 days

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mzb:

shepherd

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wagnerrp:

well that will get you some of that period

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wagnerrp:

but its going to be a lot more difficult than those previous 'inserts'

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mzb:

err

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mzb:

that was easy

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mzb:

I've got an hourly script that runs shepherd, and shepherd itself only runs once per day

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wagnerrp:

you would have to produce new recorded records based off the guide data and matching files

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mzb:

the script copies the output from shepherd to ".OLD" after a successful run

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mzb:

so when I restored the database, I just run /usr/local/bin/mythfilldatabase --update --file 2 "$HOME/.shepherd/output.xmltv.old"

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mzb:

which immediately recovers the 8 days (into the future)

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mzb:

but I'm saying that the missing two weeks END two weeks ago: ie: between Mar8 and Mar26 (ish(

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mzb:

the only way I'm going to recover those is if I've got a backup somewhere, right?

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wagnerrp:

those missing six days?

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mzb:

6?

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wagnerrp:

you had a month, but you recovered two weeks from a database backup

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mzb:

yes

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wagnerrp:

and that backup has 8 days worth of future guide data you can use to generate recordings based off the files

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wagnerrp:

leaving a six day gap

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mzb:

I'm missing between Mar8 and Mar26

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mzb:

oh I get you

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mzb:

but that doesn't cover the ... err

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mzb:

I'd have to calculate the filenames from the (expected) starttime, right?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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mzb:

hrrmm

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wagnerrp:

you could make a close guess

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mzb:

yep

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wagnerrp:

or you could directly calculate it based off the matching recording rule and offsets

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Xcodehelp:

Hello, I am currently using 0.24.2

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Xcodehelp:

How do I get transcoding with handbrake-cli offloaded through the jobqueue?

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Xcodehelp:

My backend is really just a low power file server, I have a frontend with a quadcore that I'd like to use for x264 transcoding

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Xcodehelp:

I was hoping to transcode with through mythjobqueue without having to export each file out of mythtv since a lot of the transcoding will be for TV shows

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wagnerrp:

this is to transcode into a format usable on some external device?

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Xcodehelp:

yes

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Xcodehelp:

1080i and 720p TV shows transcoded to fit onto my android

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Xcodehelp:

the droid doesn't like videos outside of 960x540

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wagnerrp:

you may want to look into mythexport or nuvexport, which have profiles for various devices, and are designed to transcode files outside of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

rather than in-place

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Xcodehelp:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

a copy for use on the android, and the high quality original still in mythtv

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Xcodehelp:

Well, can another machine running mythjobqueue perform the transcoding? My backend seems to not record scheduled programs when transcoding with handbrake-cli. I guess the 100% cpu useage seems to break something?

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Xcodehelp:

Or would this be more like use mythexport / nuvexport to get the file out to shared folder, then transcode it with another machine that has remote access to that folder?

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mzb:

oldprogram on the temp db (the 2week one) gives me Mar25/26

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mzb:

kind of

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wagnerrp:

yeah, oldprogram is very limited in the data it contains

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mzb:

enough to find the files on the filesystem

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mzb:

~12 movies from what I can see

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wagnerrp:

Xcodehelp: normally, one would run transcoding tasks at very high nice levels (low priority) so things like the database and scheduler get all the cycles they want

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wagnerrp:

more likely problem, you happen to be transcoding on the same hard drive your database is stored on

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Xcodehelp:

That is true wagnerrp, they are both on the same drive

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wagnerrp:

and are starving the database of IO throughput during strenuous scheduling

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Xcodehelp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

when you say "low power" explain that a bit more

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Xcodehelp:

Atom 330 kind of low

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Xcodehelp:

a netbook

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wagnerrp:

netbook or nettop?

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Xcodehelp:

Nettop actually

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Xcodehelp:

I got it way before i3's

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wagnerrp:

netbooks usually have even slower models of that chip family

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wagnerrp:

since theyre supposed to be battery powered

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Xcodehelp:

that makes sense

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wagnerrp:

how many tuners? how many channels?

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Xcodehelp:

One Hdhr prime, 3 tuners total

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Xcodehelp:

its rare that I need all three, maybe that happens once perweek

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wagnerrp:

meaning a digital cable lineup? how many channels?

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wagnerrp:

its not failing to record when you are transcoding

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Xcodehelp:

yes, its Verizon Fios, many channels, like 150 in standard def, then the same ones in high def, all MPEG2

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Xcodehelp:

total channel count is like 2000

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wagnerrp:

but rather, the combined disk and CPU load are making the scheduler runs take so long

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wagnerrp:

that by the time it finishes, it has missed the opportunity to start the recording

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wagnerrp:

and instead reschedules for a later date

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wagnerrp:

you would be well advised to replace that cpu with something more worthwhile

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mzb:

looking in mythconverg and mythtemp with record,program and oldprogram I can't find anything for Mar8-Mar26 other than in mythtemp.oldprogram

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wagnerrp:

as well as move your database to a separate disk, or potentially an SSD

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wagnerrp:

(separate from the one you use for recordings)

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Xcodehelp:

I understand wagneerp, would moving the database to a different partition help?

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Xcodehelp:

or a totally separate drive?

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wagnerrp:

partition makes no difference

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wagnerrp:

since its still the one set of heads that has to seek back and forth

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Xcodehelp:

ah, right

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mzb:

moving to a separate disk makes a big difference... moving it to SSD makes it insane

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mzb:

I can show you a video of what it's like

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mzb:

(with bonus crash;))

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Xcodehelp:

lol

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Xcodehelp:

that makes sense, an I/O heavy set of tasks would benefit the most from an SSD

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mzb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8VAGDCm3Ug

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wagnerrp:

the scheduler really shouldn't be that IO heavy

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mzb:

it's the scrolling down the recordings that shows you what the SSD is like ... more than anything

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mzb:

all the videos are on normal hdd's

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wagnerrp:

the data it works on should all be in memory, and the temporary tables it produces should all stay in memory

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wagnerrp:

but something like transcoding may well flush the database out of memory

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mzb:

I've since changed to a 120GB revodrive since that video, which was done using a Vertex2 60GB

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wagnerrp:

and mysql may be tuned poorly such that the temporary table gets dumped to the filesystem

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wagnerrp:

arent the revodrives PCIe?

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wagnerrp:

however, regardless of the IO load, the scheduler is simply a very CPU intensive operation

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mzb:

yes they're PCIe

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mzb:

oh ... I also went from an AMD s939 4400+ to an FX8150

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wagnerrp:

typically, searching for shows matching youre rules happens in a fraction of a second, shuffled into a temporary table (assuming thats all buffered in memory)

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wagnerrp:

but filtering out duplicates, matching against old and existing recordings, selecting the best of multiple future showings, and placing on tuners

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wagnerrp:

takes a lot of power

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Xcodehelp:

so then is mythtv ever going to target a RaspberryPi or similar device as a backend haha?

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wagnerrp:

and recordings on cable channels that like to replay series dozens or even a hundred times a week make load on the scheduler all that much higher

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wagnerrp:

no, never

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wagnerrp:

not like it would do much good with the storage capacity of a single USB2.0 port

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wagnerrp:

the ideal backend is a decent dual core desktop processor, with a nice chunk of memory, and gobs of hard drive space

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sphery:

we'd have to seriously increase the number of significant digits reported for things like commercial detection percent complete and such

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Xcodehelp:

lol

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Xcodehelp:

that bad huh

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Xcodehelp:

double float

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sphery:

definitely not ideal :)

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wagnerrp:

the RPi is every bit as powerful as a 250MHz PII

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mzb:

*cackle*

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Xcodehelp:

so then its right about where my atom330 or any Via cpu is

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wagnerrp:

via... sure :)

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sphery:

and better than some VIA systems :)

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sphery:

oh, you said via

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wagnerrp:

the atom is good for an 800MHz-1GHz PIII

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wagnerrp:

about like the 11yr old laptop im currently typing on

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Xcodehelp:

then I'm ready for 1998

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wagnerrp:

the 330 is dual core, but that doesnt get you anything for single threaded operations like mythtv's scheduler or MPEG2 decoding

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Xcodehelp:

I have a much better dual core athlon ii as a frontend

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Xcodehelp:

I wanted to use that to transcode, but it sounds like I need to export -> transcode

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mzb:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Fusion#Processing_power

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mzb:

^^ I have an E350 but I wouldn't want to run a backend on it

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XcodeDude:

Hello Again, If I wanted to just try getting my frontend to do the transcoding for a recording, in place, what would need to be setup for that?

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XcodeDude:

I'd like to try to set it up so that mythjobqueue begins the process

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mzb:

have your frontend as a secondary backend (tunerless) ??

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XcodeDude:

its only a frontend now

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mzb:

have your frontend as a secondary backend (tunerless)

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wagnerrp:

no, use mythjobqueue

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XcodeDude:

im using mythjobqueue now

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mzb:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

you only run mythbackend if you intend to record

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XcodeDude:

without the secondary backend

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wagnerrp:

just follow the same setup as a normal backend

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup, just the first section, General

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wagnerrp:

there are 2–3 pages of jobqueue settings

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wagnerrp:

most importantly, you want the page that specifies what jobs are allowed to run on that host

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XcodeDude:

yeah I've seen that, currently my remote frontend does all my commflagging

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mzb:

gee, doesn't "tunerless backend" cover the same meaning?

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wagnerrp:

you will also need to mount the recordings over NFS, as handbrake-cli does not know how to access content over myth's steaming protocol

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XcodeDude:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

mzb: no, tunerless backend means running `mythbackend`. he should be running `mythjobqueue`.

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wagnerrp:

two independent executables

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XcodeDude:

Is there any plan, even far into the future, that would have some kind of ffmpeg integration so that it could be streamed? I sort of envision many remote frontends pitching in to do transcoding very quickly

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mzb:

oh ok ... so you set it up as a 'tunerless backend' (using myth-setup) and then ... yep, gotcha

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wagnerrp:

one could force load a library to provide the necessary file access routines

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wagnerrp:

replacing those that would normally be provided by the system libraries

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, one could use a wrapper to pipe data into the stdin of some application, and then push stdout back over the network

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mzb:

I probably should be doing that here, come to think of it (mythjobqueue)

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mzb:

can you get a machine running mythjobqueue to take priority over the backend?

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wagnerrp:

no, jobs are all first-come-first-serve

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wagnerrp:

there is no coordination between jobqueue instances

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mzb:

bugger

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wagnerrp:

i have plans to rewrite it to add such coordination

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XcodeDude:

I have one other question

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mzb:

nice if my workstation could do transcoding (for eg) while I was watching TV, without disturbing the backend/frontend machine

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mzb:

it can get quite busy with 25 virtual tuners ;)

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kisak:

no, you are not in The Matrix, XcodeDude, they are not out to get you

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wagnerrp:

you can restrict jobs to specific machines

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mzb:

yes, realise that

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wagnerrp:

but you cannot prioritize them

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mzb:

but I don't want those jobs to *always* run on the workstation ... only when I'm not using it (aka: watching tv!)

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XcodeDude:

I was using a default mythbuntu theme, I believe it was Metalurgy. I did an upgrade to the latest mythtv 0.24.2 at the time, and the theme's progress bars are now broken

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XcodeDude:

instead of a nice blue progress bar, I get garbled snow

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XcodeDude:

other than that it works ok

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mzb:

would add another 4 cores to the mix ... so if I could transcode between 8pm and 8am on the workstation I'd be on a winner *IF* the MBE/FE wasn't also transcoding

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mzb:

(I compress some of her *crap*;))

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mzb:

($SHE doesn't notice:))

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wagnerrp:

"branch devel/ffmpeg-sync-20120331'

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wagnerrp:

beirdo: is that you?

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Beirdo:

yes

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XcodeDude:

hmm

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XcodeDude:

as I look at /etc/exports, there's already a few settings such as: /var/lib/mythtv/recordings *(ro,async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)

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XcodeDude:

is that a storage group setting?

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tgm4883:

XcodeDude, the default Mythbuntu theme is Mythbuntu

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tgm4883:

XcodeDude, no, that is likely due to you selecting NFS during install

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tgm4883:

or perhaps in the MCC

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XcodeDude:

ah ok

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XcodeDude:

I tried to reconfigure the NFS service through MCC but I don't know what it did ?

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tgm4883:

XcodeDude, I'd have to review the code to know myself

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tgm4883:

It may look at the local storage groups and share those via NFS

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tgm4883:

ideally that is what it does

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tgm4883:

although it may just share the defaults

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XcodeDude:

Ok, I don't know enough about setting up NFS server or clients to know what: /var/lib/mythtv/recordings *(ro,async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) actually means, so I have to go get my learn on

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XcodeDude:

am I going to run into a conflic with the recordings storage group and a new NFS share that the master backend hosts to share /var/lib/mythtv/recordings ?

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XcodeDude:

in otherwords, does the storagegroup for /var/lib/mythtv/recordings do the same thing as an NFS share to /var/lib/mythtv/recordings?

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helppython:

hello, I have a python question for a transcoding script

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helppython:

How do I get python to call the handbrake transcode command as a "nice" command?

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helppython:

the script uses output=task(inputs')

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helppython:

output = task('-i "%s"' % infile, '-o "%s"' % outfile, '-f m4v', '--preset="AppleTV"'

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helppython:

How do I get python to use nice task(......)

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wagnerrp:

make 'nice' the task, and the actual task as the first argument

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wagnerrp:

although in that case, you lose the executable path checking

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wagnerrp:

assuming youre using this as a jobqueue task, mythjobqueue will nice the job for you

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helppython:

ok, so then I can leave it out?

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helppython:

hah, hang on

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helppython:

so it would be output = task(nice task2('.....')) ?

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helppython:

something like that?

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helppython:

so it would be output = task(nice task2('.....')) ?

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wagnerrp:

no, i mean System('nice')('/your/command', 'your_first_arg', 'your_second_arg')

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wagnerrp:

or, you just leave it up to the jobqueue to nice stuff for you

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helppython:

im still having some trouble with it...

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helppython:

task = System('nice')(path=transcoder, db=db)

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helppython:

output = task('input1', 'input2')

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helppython:

etc.

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helppython:

how should the 'nice' part be structured?

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k-man:

anyone ever tried one of these HP remotes? http://goo.gl/4YSgJ (ebay link) I bought one at a garage sale

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[R]:

tons of people use mce remotes

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k-man:

[R], ah so its just another mce remote, nothing out of the ordinary

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[R]:

well thats what it says in the title...

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k-man:

any idea if any mce remotes have learning capability?

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[R]:

no clue, i have a real man's remote

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k-man:

[R], which is?

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[R]:

logitech harmony

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k-man:

which one?

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k-man:

what is it that you like about it?

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[R]:

one

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[R]:

its the best thing since sliced bread

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k-man:

but what is it that you like so much about it?

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wagnerrp:

the fact that he doesnt have to get out a knife anytime he wants some

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k-man:

wagnerrp, ah, yes, i can see that would be really good

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k-man:

personally, i have been using a sony universal remote for the last few years and its been great – does everything i need except for 1 or 2 things but they are minor

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k-man:

and it cost like $30 rather than $220

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[R]:

i only paid $130

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k-man:

looks like there are some on ebay for about AU$100

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k-man:

oh harmony's have a specific mythtv device? that's pretty interesting to know

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wagnerrp:

no, not really

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wagnerrp:

some user built a "mythtv" profile, which is really just a hauppauge gray, and it got pushed upstream

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k-man:

oh i see

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wagnerrp:

since all configurations are performed on their remote server, and their application only wraps a web browser and provides a conduit to push changes to the unit

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wagnerrp:

logitech retains access to all new devices programmed by users

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wagnerrp:

which is how they have their database populated with hundreds of thousands of devices

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k-man:

ah i see

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majnoon:

ok was wondering if could EXPORT mythtv channels to a channels.conf

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[R]:

no

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majnoon:

mythtv seems to do better at finding channels then w_scan

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Seeker`:

stuarta: yay!

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stuarta:

\o/

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stuarta:

*\o/*

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stuarta:

**\\o

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stuarta:

o//**

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stuarta:

*\o/*

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Seeker`:

stuarta: how long did it take you to learn to do that? :P

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stuarta:

ages, absolutely ages

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quicksilver:

you should see the routine he does at xmas

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stuarta:

:-p

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quicksilver:

clearly time to think about upgrading from 0.21

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partoj:

quicksilver: same here, but my wife vetoes any planned downtime...

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** stuarta chuckles **

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Seeker`:

don't plan it then

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Seeker`:

just kill the backend

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Seeker`:

when she asks whats wrong, say "I'll have a look"

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Seeker`:

then 'fix' it by upgrading it

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stuarta:

just stay up late one night with a large quantity of alcohol and upgrade it

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stuarta:

drunk upgrades. always fun

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Seeker`:

heh

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partoj:

Seeker`: Interesting approach, might try just that :)

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helppython:

Hello again, I'm still having some trouble figuring out the python syntax

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helppython:

task = System('nice')(path=transcoder, db=db) output = task('input1', 'input2')

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helppython:

doesn't seem to work properly

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helppython:

Would it be correct to use output = System('nice')task('input1', 'input2') ?

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helppython:

ok, i'll worry about the nice stuff later

[11:45:53]

helppython:

I have mounted an NFS share on my backend /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

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helppython:

My remote frontend can see the files with no problem

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helppython:

However, when I go to run a handbrakecli job with mythjobqueue on the remote frontend I get the following error: ProgramInfo(1472_20120126130000.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1472_20120126130000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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helppython2:

Hello Again, I was having trouble with the freenode webclient so Im reposting my question

[11:52:28]

helppython2:

I am running an NFS share on my master backend /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

[11:52:48]

helppython2:

My remote frontend has mounted the share and can see the files

[11:53:14]

helppython2:

I mounted the nfs share to /var/lib/mythtv/recordings on the remote frontend

[11:53:51]

helppython2:

WHen I go to run a handbrakecli job with mythjobqueue, with only the remote frontend set to do that job, I get the following error:

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helppython2:

ProgramInfo(1472_20120126130000.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1472_20120126130000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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sphery:

and you've verified user permissions for the user running handbrakecli (who would be the same user as the one running mythjobqueue)

[11:54:35]

sphery:

permissions on both files and directories

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sphery:

and that that file actually exists in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

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helppython2:

i ran the job through mythweb, I thought that the remote frontend would connect as user 'mythtv'

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sphery:

(note, also, if it's a brand new file, it may take a while to show up if you haven't set up your NFS share properly... You need to do something like http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.8 (specifically the actimeo stuff==either 0 or, at most, 1)

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sphery:

helppython2: you said "mythjobqueue"... are you running the program mythjobqueue on the frontend system?

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helppython2:

doh! I did not add actimeo

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sphery:

or did you mean "MythTV Job Queue" feature, generically

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sphery:

the actimeo is only important for "just-created" files (and won't make a difference if this is a recording that started more than a minute or so ago)

[11:58:19]

sphery:

i.e. you need that, especially, for Live TV when using NFS

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helppython2:

I am not running an instance of mythjobqueue on the frontend, rather I have a userjob setup to do the transcoding and only the frontend was setup with mythtv-setup to do that job, I figured the frontend would be using mythjobqueue to do the task

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sphery:

you'd have to actually run mythjobqueue... it's a daemon/server program that you run to execute jobs on a host that's not running mythbackend

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sphery:

if you're not running it, the error you're getting is almost definitely from the backend

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sphery:

(meaning the backend is trying to run the job)

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helppython2:

Ok, I'll try it out, to run mythjobqueue, do I need to do a pkexec to have user 'mythtv' do the job?

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sphery:

not sure... I'll say you need to run it exactly like you'd be running mythbackend (only difference is the command name)

[12:02:16]

sphery:

so, generally, you can duplicate whatever you use to start mythbackend on your distro, but use mythjobqueue command, instead

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helppython2:

ok, I think I'll have more luck forcing the job to run as user 'mythtv' since the permissions are all setup for that user on the backend and frontend, ie its the user that created the recordings, the user that does all the mythtv stuff

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sphery:

yeah, sounds like you should be running it as mythtv user

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helppython2:

bah, got the same ProgramInfo(1472_20120126130000.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1472_20120126130000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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helppython2:

lol

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helppython2:

im an idiot

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helppython2:

already transcoded that file to .m4v

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helppython2:

there is no .mpg file

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helppython2:

thanks anyway

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sphery:

hehe, that would make it not be found :)

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sphery:

glad you figured it out

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zaprat:

I am considering moving from wmc 7 to mythtv. When I tried it last time I was concerned by the record show options which were extensive but were not spouse friendly. has this changed in recent releases

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zaprat:

on wmc you press once to record a show, press twice to record a series and once more to turn off record.

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zaprat:

behind the scenes you set you default preferences for recording. You only need to do it once. More often the default is fine but in very unusal circumstances you can change the defaults. This is what suit me. Can you do this mythtv yet

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zaprat:

guess I chatting to empty room

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RagingMind:

not empty ;)

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RagingMind:

but with IRC people from around the world tend to be busy at different times, and it can take a while for someone to notice activity

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zaprat:

in Aussie we work while most of the world sleeps

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zaprat:

GMT+10hrs

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zaprat:

which makes it 23:05 – 10 = 13:05 GMT today

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** skd5aner takes the upgrade plunge **

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zaprat:

RagingMind: are the mythtv recording options still confusing for non-tech people

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zaprat:

RagingMind: as is there a way of making non tech friendly

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RagingMind:

I haven't tried 0.25 yet and am unsure if any changes were made, but in 0.24.2 they were not

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sphery:

zaprat: we still have the same over-abundance of recording rule options... however, we also /still/ support just going into the program guide and hitting R once to record the episode or twice to record the entire series

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sphery:

that will use built-in default options (which are almost always right--only reason they wouldn't be right is if you configure your system incorrectly so the default recording options (i.e. location of default storage group directories) is wrong)

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RagingMind:

sphery, but is there a way to set default storage and expiration options? or will the techy have to fiddle with each rule created?

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wagnerrp:

zaprat: nonsense

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wagnerrp:

half the world lives between China and India

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sphery:

default storage group is default and default recording group is default, which seem reasonable when no additional information is provided

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skd5aner:

sphery: I never knew you could hit record twice and it would setup a series rule

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wagnerrp:

you do have to provide a location for the default storage group

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zaprat:

wagnerrp: my sincere apologies.

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sphery:

RagingMind: and you can specify a "Auto-Expire default: If enabled, any new recording schedules will be marked as eligible for auto-expiration. Existing schedules will keep their current value." setting value that will be default for your new recordings

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sphery:

that said, we /still/ need support for "recording rule templates" (just not super high on my TODO list, yet)

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sphery:

skd5aner / zaprat : Technically, pushing R multiple times just cycles through the various types of recordings, so you can do others (and even go back through "don't record")

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skd5aner:

sphery: now, that seems cool, yet pointless... how would you know other than the little icon?

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wagnerrp:

AHAHAHAHAHAAHA

[13:15:37]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/mythvidexport-py-ad . . . ecker-15500/

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sphery:

well, you also have the words, "Record all" or "Record one"

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wagnerrp:

wait for it....

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/mythvidexport-py-ad . . . ecker-15501/

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sphery:

or "Don't record"

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skd5aner:

sphery: maybe if a little pop-up window came up saying exactly what was going on... where do the words appear?

[13:16:35]

skd5aner:

is it just me, or does mythtv talk have a weird redirect if you're not registered?

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sphery:

it's possible they may only appear in some themes (depending on whether they use only a statetype icon or also use words)?

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sphery:

anyway, try it before calling it pointless

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sphery:

it actually allows you to select the ones you'd likely use

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skd5aner:

heh – fair enough :)

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zaprat:

sphery: I remember that last time I played with mythtv I struggled getting sleep mode to work. Followed the tutorials and struggled for several hours with only limited success. Is it better now, or do you recommend ignoring the carbon footprint

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skd5aner:

I like the idea of it, just need to re-validate how it's confirmed to the user

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Seeker`:

wagnerrp: I heard you like duplicate checkers, so I wrote a duplicate checker for your duplicate checker!

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skd5aner:

never knew it worked that way – I've used it a ton of times for single recordings

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sphery:

zaprat: "sleep mode" = suspend the computer using underlying OS/distribution support or "have the master backend tell a remote backend to shut down when not in use" or "have the master backend shut itself down when not in use"

[13:18:17]

skd5aner:

and, I thought that some of those times the theme/scheduler didn't update fast enough so I pushed it multiple times thinking it might not have took the keypress the first time

[13:18:24]

skd5aner:

but I don't think it selected the next type of rule

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sphery:

regardless, the answer is most likely, "It's not as easy as just clicking some button on Windows" :)

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RagingMind:

having my frontend automatically sleep would be nice... but for now I've been using the button on my remote which of course only works when I remember. :)

[13:20:41]

RagingMind:

I never knew of the multiple R trick... that may improve things here a bit.

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sphery:

FWIW, we've supported the multiple R thing since I started using MythTV in Feb 2004

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zaprat:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vi . . . Media-Center

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sphery:

guess perhaps we need to help people find that one better

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skd5aner:

sphery: yea, i assumed it had to be a long time feature, or I'd remember it going in

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sphery:

skd5aner: hehe, yeah, that's probably the problem--it's been there so long it hasn't been advertised on commits or whatever

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skd5aner:

well – and honestly, even if it were documented – it's not like I'm perusing it looking for that detail

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RagingMind:

but it cycles through all of the recording rule options? hmm... there are lots of those

[13:23:31]

skd5aner:

but a good shortcut to know

[13:25:34]

skd5aner:

so, I haven't really been following – but is MythTV moving away from github?

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zaprat:

what is the best way to test mythtv. I have a spare hd home run. Will it work ok in VM. note, I am not intrested in viewing the video just navigating to see if it worth the switch

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RagingMind:

zaprat, there are livecd distro versions floating around the intarwebz

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zaprat:

I recall mythbuntu was a livecd. I assume it still is

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tgm4883:

It is, although you can't run the backend from it

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RagingMind:

and I personally change the menu layout to be a bit more BF friendly... otherwise he complains and gets lost

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tgm4883:

and IIRC, you need a backend to browse around the frontend

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sphery:

zaprat: might want to wait for Mythbuntu 12.04 release (which will include the just-released-hours-ago 0.25 version)

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sphery:

I think Ubuntu 12.04 should be released very soon (week or 2?)

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tgm4883:

April 26th

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RagingMind:

it's not really that it's too complicated, it's just more so than *he* thinks it should be so he somehow willfully never learns where things are

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sphery:

(or you can do Mythbuntu 11.10 and enable http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos to upgrade to 0.25)

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zaprat:

Is there a ppa for 0.24 yet?

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tgm4883:

...

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tgm4883:

yes?

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sphery:

you probably mean 0.25?

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zaprat:

yes .25

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sphery:

that's what you enable at http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

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tgm4883:

also yes

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tgm4883:

there's also a 0.26 PPA

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sphery:

that's also one of the very nice things about Ubuntu--they're always very much up-to-date on MythTV builds

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tgm4883:

although it doesn't have anything in it

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sphery:

thanks to the efforts of tireless individuals, such as tgm4883

[13:31:44]

sphery:

or is that supposed to be "tireless efforts of individuals"

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Seeker`:

tireless? or just IV caffeine? :P

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sphery:

been too long since I had any grammar classes

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tgm4883:

I wouldn't say tireless, I have 4 on my car and a spare in the trunk ;)

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sphery:

hehe

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zaprat:

I am guessing I better donate to pay for the caffine

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zaprat:

OK. I try again in couple of weeks. I should have another free pc by then and should do as short term test bed

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wagnerrp:

crap... 455 commits?

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Seeker`:

wagnerrp: huh?

[13:38:10]

wagnerrp:

new emails in my commits folder

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Seeker`:

I think that was beirdo breaking nuvexport repo :P

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zaprat:

checked the mythbuntu site and it indicates that I can upgrade to 0.25 by install mythbuntu repos deb or so it would seem

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sphery:

extras repo, actually

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sphery:

but, yeah, there were hundreds of old ones because the github hooks were in place when he re-created extra repo

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sphery:

zaprat: yeah, that's what http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

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sphery:

does for you

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sphery:

was just saying that 12.04 will include 0.25, so if you're making decisions based on a "Live CD" version, you're better off using that one

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sphery:

if you're installing, then install mythbuntu and upgrade to 0.25 with http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

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tgm4883:

sphery, for future reference, 12.04 ships with the repos included. They just need to be enabled in MCC

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tgm4883:

we'll be adding that to the /repos page

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sphery:

nice

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zaprat:

sphery: yes indeeddo. think I will wait until 12.04. patience will save me time in the long run

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: the -fixes pages encompass the full branch, while the point release pages will be subsets of that?

[13:44:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I've done all of the "obvious" updates to the HOWTO for 0.25, but was thinking of waiting a bit in case you or I (or someone else) comes up with some other stuff to include, then playing with the book stuff to try to create the PDF and "exported HTML" versions

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sphery:

will probably also do something about links to where to find it and maybe take rkulagow's name out of it so he's not annoyed by e-mails about it?

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sphery:

Think it's safe to start "advertising" it? I'm assuming you're comfortable with random users editing it and confident that one of us will notice bad edits?

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sphery:

(otherwise, we should probably figure out some way to lock it)

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k-man:

congrats on getting .25 out the door

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: correct

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: -fixes is everything, point releases are a copy/paste of everything since the last point release

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jst_:

Is there an easy way to backup my channel line up from the command line?

[15:14:18]

jst_:

n/m heh

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sphery:

jst_: where are you in the world?

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sphery:

ah, comcast, you're US

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sphery:

there's a bit of a hack that you can use at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . nnel_scan.29 to back up xmltvids for your channels (so you can re-apply them after a re-scan)

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sphery:

it works ok for US users, but not necessarily others

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sphery:

jst_: other than that, if it's actual channels you want backed up, you'll need to do a full database backup (as there's information spread across multiple tables). http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore (and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . #Quick_Start should be all you need to do the backup)

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jst_:

sphery: thanks, i did a full backup/restore.

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jst_:

comcast's transports keep giving me weird results when scanning for clearqam.

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jst_:

trying to put an end to this insanity.

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pplmaker:

i hate puppet so much

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Beirdo:

Seeker`: no, it was the extras repo ;)

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trapicki:

Hello! I was unable to find some docs about how to sort the channel list manually. Found no hint which keys would move channels in the list of mythtv-setup up or down. Someone who could give me a hint?

[16:58:24]

trapicki:

BTW: I'm running 0.24.2 on Debian from debianmultimedia by Christian Marillat.

[16:59:03]

stuartm:

the hairs on the back of my neck just stood up

[17:01:25]

trapicki:

stuartm: why?

[17:01:31]

sphery:

trapicki: we only currently support sorting by channel number or channel callsign, by changing the setting "Channel ordering" in mythfrontend setup

[17:02:04]

sphery:

trapicki: however, both channel number and channel callsign are user-editable values (that can use any value you want, regardless of what numbers your cable/satellite/... company uses)

[17:02:12]

sphery:

so you can edit them to manually order

[17:02:40]

sphery:

also note that you can create "Channel Groups" to limit the channels you see in the EPG or channel browse mode, for easier navigations

[17:03:14]

trapicki:

ok, that's not perfect, but something to work with. Have seen Channel Groups. I guess I have to do some config file or DB table...?

[17:03:28]

sphery:

you create them in frontend settings, too

[17:04:05]

trapicki:

Can I set something like a sort value in the call sign field with DVB-T?

[17:04:05]

sphery:

those are pretty easy to create--we have a usable UI for it--just create a group (or edit the given "Favorites" group--and check a box next to the channels you want to include

[17:04:23]

ikevin:

hi

[17:04:24]

sphery:

you'll need to use the mythtv-setup or MythWeb channel editor to change channel numbers and call signs

[17:04:30]

trapicki:

I meant editing the channel list, not the groups.

[17:04:52]

ikevin:

can i have realtime availlable on livetv? like for videos games

[17:05:07]

sphery:

trapicki: call sign can be any value at all... the only requirement is that any channel with unique content needs a different call sign (so, never give the same call sign to 2 channels whose program listings are not identical)

[17:05:41]

trapicki:

docs for mythtv-setup with regard to channel editing is a little sparse. How can I enter the callsign/edit a channel?

[17:05:51]

sphery:

trapicki: so, you're welcome to just use something like, "chan1", "chan2", ... to use it for sort order (but note that the values are shown in the UI as "names" for a channel)

[17:06:39]

sphery:

mythtv-setup|Channel Editor, then select a channel and hit SELECT (space/Enter) and then edit values... I think they're both on first screen, but might be on 2nd

[17:06:45]

Seeker`:

Beirdo: sorry, I'll keep better track of your mistakes in future :)

[17:07:03]

trapicki:

Ok, will have a try...

[17:07:31]

sphery:

trapicki: or in mythweb, hit the icon for setup (wrench and something), then TV|Channel Info (and edit all the channels at once)

[17:07:47]

Seeker`:

ikevin: you can't have 'realtime' video playback on mythtv – everything gets written to disk first, then read back and played

[17:08:07]

sphery:

trapicki: but if you have a lot of channels and use MythWeb to edit, make sure your PHP data size is set sufficiently high (see MythWeb README for info)

[17:08:40]

ikevin:

ok, it mean it's not possible to have my ps3 working under myth?

[17:09:17]

sphery:

ikevin: and even if you do playback without the file, there are enough buffers and such in hardware and drivers that you'll likely lose any game you play

[17:09:40]

Seeker`:

ikevin: why not just plug the PS3 straight in to the TV?

[17:10:23]

sphery:

if you have an NTSC or PAL frame grabber, you can likely make it work with something like tvtime or whatever by just displaying directly off the capture device, but you'll get standard-definition, low-quality video

[17:10:49]

sphery:

so you're always best plugging the PS3 straight in to the TV or receiver and hitting the input button on your TV remote to switch to it

[17:10:55]

ikevin:

i've 3 tvs connected to myth, and i wish to have my ps3 working on the 3 tv without moving it

[17:10:55]

trapicki:

sphery: Have'nt used mythweb, trying with mythtv-setup. Currently it's language is german, I'm not sure which field is call sign...

[17:11:09]

ikevin:

so, my dream seems to hard ^^'

[17:11:58]

sphery:

trapicki: I'd guess if you go into mythfrontend settings and find "Channel ordering" (which you probably need to change to callsign, anyway) under TV Settings|General, it will have the same word used in the channel editor

[17:12:26]

trapicki:

oh, thanks

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kisak_laptop:

the ceton infinitv 4 pcie ... does it have more than one hardware revision?

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trapicki:

sphery: I cannot sort by call sign, only by channel ID, but that works fine. Thanks for the help, problem solved. Anyway, manual sorting would be very nice. From a data structure point of view, IMHO channels should have a unique primary key that is not changeable by users.

[17:28:42]

wagnerrp:

kisak_laptop: due to the way it connects to the computer, it shouldnt matter

[17:29:01]

kisak_laptop:

I'm looking at what's out there on the market, and I found one on ebay that doesn't look like all the other pictures I've seen

[17:29:56]

kisak_laptop:

wagnerrp: good point, it is an internal network, right?

[17:31:08]

sphery:

trapicki: why can't you sort by callsign? did you change that setting I mentioned in frontend?

[17:32:07]

sphery:

trapicki: in mythtv-setup, I think the channel editor has a separate sort order that's used (and may be specified using the menu or something), but you'd set the one in frontend to affect EPG and browse

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wagnerrp:

effectively yes

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trapicki:

sphery: Don't know why I can't sort by call sign, for Sort By I just got Channel Name and Channel Number. Doc's say that sorting options may be different for various sources.

[17:44:56]

Beirdo:

Seeker`: yeah, the real mistake was forgetting to remove github's registered hooks first.

[17:44:59]

Beirdo:

ooops

[17:45:32]

** Seeker` writes it down in his "Book of Beirdo's mistakes" **

[17:45:58]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

trapicki: ah, I think "channel name" is the "human readable" version of callsign (since it makes more sense for people outside the US)

[17:48:02]

sphery:

but if you have it set up through channel numbers, that's fine, too (I just wanted to make sure we didn't have a bug)... Does that mean that the translation in mythtv-setup's channel editor is different? Looks like it might not be translated in mythtv-setup?

[17:51:30]

trapicki:

sphery: Yes, guessed so. In the German translations "Channel Name" is Name, "Channel Number" is "Platz" translated back "position", "Call Sign" is "Kurzname" translated back "short name". From DVB I got Channel numbers in the 10.000-range, which is not very convenient, anyway.

[17:54:41]

trapicki:

sphery: Docs are English, and Call Sign vs Kurzname/short name is not obvious. As a programmer I know how these fields get populated, as a user I wish there was a program number field which is the position of the channel sorting. Channel numbers from DVB PIDs are quite long, I do not want to have to enter them via remote control ;-(

[17:55:42]

sphery:

yeah, eventually we'll probably offer user-specified sorting of channels as part of channel groups, but it's low priority

[17:58:43]

trapicki:

Just to add my two cents: I'm using mythtv on my desktop machine with a dual tuner DVB USB stick since some months, still I'm not satisfied. First, getting mythtv on Debian is a little cumbersome, the packages are ok, but still flaky. Config is not straight forward, i had to read a lot of docs before I got the config right and the first image.

[18:00:43]

sphery:

I completely agree...

[18:02:44]

sphery:

and I have been known to say that there's no good reason to run MythTV on Debian. Since by the time you add all the external dependencies that are required to make MythTV work, you've completely broken the philosophy of Debian (re licensing and patents) and--if you're successful at configuring it and making it work--basically turned your "philosophically pure" Debian into Ubuntu, you might as well just use Ubuntu (or, better, Mythbuntu) ...

[18:02:50]

sphery:

... for MythTV :)

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trapicki:

Mythtv seems very powerfull to me, but also very complex. I wish there was some "I just want to watch TV"-path for beginners to set up everything automagically and have something running. One more annoying thing is UI polishing vs features. It's very nice to have wether, browser, name-your-gadget, but what I really want to do first is watching TV. I want to lean back on my couch with my...

[18:03:46]

trapicki:

...remote, but configuring the remote is burdensome again. Now the straight forward solution is to stand up, go to the keyboard, try all keys and hopefull find the one for the thing I need before I set the speed to 10% etc.

[18:04:42]

sphery:

yeah, there's definitely quite a learning curve involved

[18:05:39]

anykey_:

did anyone else notice that the T in front of LMSC seems to be missing when tuning a channel in LiveTV?

[18:05:47]

trapicki:

sphery: Went from Ubuntu back to Debian, and I really do want to stay there ;-) I know that Mythbuntu would be the out-of-the-box solution, but I want to keep my current system, add a TV card/usb/whatever and watch TV, with some goodies like recording, time shift etc.

[18:05:50]

sphery:

it's not a "free" DVR (even ignoring the cost of hardware, which is almost definitely much higher than getting a 6-tuner networked DVR from your cable/satellite provider), you have to spend a lot of time to configure MythTV (and may have to spend a lot more maintaining it)

[18:05:55]

anykey_:

0.24 did TLMSC, 0.25 has _LMSC

[18:06:42]

trapicki:

If it's not at DVR, what is it then?

[18:07:07]

sphery:

we do have plans to make it a bit easier (doing things like embedding the database so you don't have to run/administer a separate MySQL server), but as long as we're supporting any random equipment that can be used for TV around the world, configuration will never be as easy as just getting the DVR from the service provider

[18:07:42]

sphery:

For me, MythTV is a great hobby to spend my time on--and I end up with a nice DVR, too (but pay for it in time and hardware costs)

[18:08:11]

trapicki:

My USB stick came with Windows software that works great, only problem is I have a Linux system. So mythtv seemed to be the most promising tvp program for linux.

[18:08:14]

sphery:

it's a DVR... it's not "free", though--it's just a Free DVR

[18:08:36]

sphery:

(as in Free/Libre and Open Source Software, but it costs a fortune in time and hardware compared to other solutions)

[18:09:31]

sphery:

anykey_: theme issue where it's getting chopped?

[18:09:39]

sphery:

oh, wait, you see a _?

[18:09:47]

sphery:

not sure what would cause that

[18:10:05]

anykey_:

sphery: yeah, I see the _, the channel works fine though

[18:10:18]

trapicki:

regarding "learning curve": ok, mythtv is very capable (multi-backend-multi-interfaces....), still it can also do some simple things: watch one channel at a time from one source.

[18:10:22]

anykey_:

I'm more worried about these messages "PES start code not found in TS packet with PUSI set

[18:10:58]

anykey_:

I get these only on HD channels

[18:11:23]

sphery:

dek arl1 would be a good one to ask about those messages... I think he was looking into that

[18:11:36]

sphery:

that type of thing, that is

[18:11:51]

anykey_:

ok, maybe he's around sometime

[18:11:52]

trapicki:

hardware: Was a running Debian plus a TerraTec Cinergy T Stick Dual for some 30â‚¬. Antenna homemade, 10â‚¬ material.

[18:12:22]

anykey_:

sphery: I'm not really sure if its a problem with the CAM, screwing up the stream or sth like that

[18:14:42]

pplmaker:

anyone know whether hdpvr supports closed captions?

[18:15:50]

trapicki:

One thing I see from time to time with OSS projects with strong community: developers know all pitfalls you have to get arround but would not see them as too important, wich can be a very big problem for newcomers. With mythtv I had the impression that just the setup wizzard is missing, which would make it for newcomers possible to start withun minuts instead of hours.

[18:16:26]

sphery:

trapicki: yeah, we're completely redoing setup at this point

[18:16:27]

devinheitmueller:

pplmaker: no, the hdpvr does not support closed captions.

[18:16:48]

pplmaker:

devinheitmueller: thank you

[18:16:51]

sphery:

it will actually change to web-based setup for the backend (so you don't have to run a GUI program to configure it)

[18:16:59]

sphery:

just not done, yet

[18:17:00]

devinheitmueller:

(in fact, component video in general only supports closed captions if you're at 480i/p)

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pplmaker:

oh well. subtitle scraper it is

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sphery:

pplmaker: if you know you want captions, you can likely just make them "open" captions (i.e. turn them on in the STB so it ouputs the captions all the time)

[18:20:20]

sphery:

then HD-PVR will record the video with the captions already "drawn" on it

[18:20:41]

pplmaker:

oh really? I hadnt thought of that. i wonder if my sci-atl can do it

[18:22:23]

devinheitmueller:

pplmaker: almost certainly. The cable boxes are generally required to render closed captions, since for HD they have no way to forward them downstream.

[18:22:46]

devinheitmueller:

(neither HDMI nor HD component video have a way to transport CC data)

[18:22:56]

pplmaker:

devinheitmueller: it doesnt work even if I run HDMI directly to the TV?

[18:23:04]

devinheitmueller:

pplmaker: correct.

[18:23:27]

pplmaker:

why? its an oversight?

[18:23:30]

devinheitmueller:

.... you would have to enable the captions on the cable box. Trying to enable the captions on the TV would result in nothing being shown.

[18:23:41]

sphery:

interesting... I would have expected them to have a way to do it with HDMI, but I suppose it's easier to just make you enable them on the STB

[18:23:43]

devinheitmueller:

pplmaker: because the federal government didn't demand that they support them.

[18:24:21]

devinheitmueller:

(generally speaking, the electronics vendors and cable companies don't give a crap about the hearing impaired unless federal regulation requires them to)

[18:24:21]

pplmaker:

everyone assumed that only people 70+ use CC, and they would never buy HDTVs

[18:24:43]

pplmaker:

kinda lame actually

[18:25:18]

devinheitmueller:

Sure, people who are 70+, or happen to be deaf.

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sphery:

yeah, I always use captions/subtitles--especially with the focus on surround sound and cinematic effects, etc, the voices often get drowned out by all the background noise (and bad mixing)

[18:27:20]

sphery:

I used to only enable captions after I missed something and skipped back to see what they said, but realized I was wasting a lot of time on that skipping back/toggling captions on and then off, and if I just leave them on, they're there for when I want them

[18:28:29]

pplmaker:

I was watching some movie the other night that I had seen many times when I realized I couldnt make out a line

[18:28:53]

pplmaker:

so I dug up subtitles for it and it was like watching it for the first time

[18:29:08]

pplmaker:

ghostbusters 2 it was

[18:29:52]

pplmaker:

that janosz character has some really funny lines that I never fully got

[18:30:41]

sphery:

yeah, the benefit is that you can actually get more out of the story when you catch every line--but the down side is it takes more "work" to watch TV/movies (because you're following the story better and unwilling to let things by without fully understanding how it fits)

[18:32:27]

pplmaker:

heaven forbid I should miss a single joke on the pure comedic genius that is how i met your mother

[18:33:02]

trapicki:

sphery: I'll try 0.25. Is there already something to test of this new config interface?

[18:34:05]

keith4:

is there any way to sync two myth backends? i'm thinking about setting up a 2nd backend in the crappy apartment that I stay at during the week. it happens to be in Comcast territory, so it'd be neat to have the option to record something there and pull it back to my house. or better yet, push stuff from my house to the apt, so i have something to watch during the week...

[18:34:26]

trapicki:

sphery: DB: why not sqlite for simple setups?

[18:34:42]

jams:

sqlite is to slow

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sphery:

trapicki: it's currently disabled since it's not finished and can easily break the configuration

[18:35:00]

keith4:

I've been copying individual recordings to my laptop, and watching via VLC, but I really really really miss commflagging

[18:35:03]

sphery:

yeah, sqlite was too slow, but we'll likely move to embedded MySQL, eventually

[18:35:34]

sphery:

and I hope to do it better than some of the other programs that have tried (that jams has found lacking :)

[18:35:43]

keith4:

(the new streaming API would be nice, if my crappy cable co offered decent upstream)

[18:35:52]

trapicki:

jams: Naively I thought only metadata is written in the db, recordings stay in fs

[18:36:11]

jams:

that would be nice..cause lacking doesn't even begin to describe it.

[18:36:33]

sphery:

trapicki: as far as the interface that will contain the new setup, it's the backend HTTP server, which you can access at port 6544 on your master backend... There's some miscellaneous informational stuff there, now, but not setup

[18:36:55]

sphery:

so, like http://localhost:6544/

[18:37:01]

jams:

sphery- I would suggest it's structured in such a way that it's easy to use an external DB for when the hopes of embedded DB fail. =)

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sphery:

jams: yeah, that's my plan--actually I'll just convert the existing "external DB" approach to include a data server (and forbid direct use of the DB), at which point it will be easy to flip forth and--if required--back :)

[18:37:57]

ikevin:

i've a channel (network souce) that i can't switch on, like if i try, it seem's frontend don't try to switch, what can do this?

[18:38:32]

sphery:

ikevin: like iptv stuff? someone filed a ticket that there are some issues with it

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sphery:

danielk is currently working on a complete reimplementation in the mythtv-rtp branch

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jams:

sphery- i like that idea I really do.

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sphery:

jams: yeah, we may even choose to allow users to use an external DB or embedded--my only concern, really, is "clients shouldn't be accessing the DB directly"

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ikevin:

not iptv, using "freebox" source

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sphery:

ikevin: but rtp or similar?

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ikevin:

yep

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sphery:

yeah, we have http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10493 and http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9670 and possibly more

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ikevin:

local rtp streams are working

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jams:

keith4- there is no automated way, frankly thats a bit outside the scope of mythtv and more about mysql.

[18:41:07]

sphery:

and https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/devel/rtp is the rework

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jams:

aside from mysql, you would need to sync the filesystem with recordings but thats the easy part..

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sphery:

though devel branches aren't necessarily kept up to date so may not be what you want to run

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ikevin:

the 2 bugs with rtp are not similar than me

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ikevin:

i've no attempt to switch channel

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sphery:

ah, then I probably can't help--I've never used it

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ikevin:

that maybe a little error of my part, my vlc stream work fine

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Seeker`:

has anyone considered an 'out of the box' hardware build? Say 'if you buy these components, use this distro run an auto setup and have everything working'

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sphery:

Seeker`: sounds kind of like some of the commercial systems http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Commercial_MythTV_System and/or like the "Dragon" platform

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sphery:

I know I, for one, wouldn't want to have to provide support for any kind of system where a user's money comes my way, though (even if a contract made clear that the money covered only hardware or whatever)

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sphery:

guess "Dragon" was based on "Knoppmyth Reference Platform"

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jams:

it was

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jams:

it's dead

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Seeker`:

you wouldn't supply the hardware, just a list of components. The user has to source them, and it has to be those ones exactly

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jams:

it's very outdated

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jams:

have plans to create a new one, but spread pretty thin these days

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sphery:

also, Pluto does home-automation systems that include MythTV (assuming pluto isn't out of business)

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jams:

linuxmce sold some fire boxes for a bit

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sphery:

they released all their customization under GPL, but their hardware support required very specific components

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sphery:

so some took "PlutoHome" (the open source release of Pluto code) and started modifying it to allow more hardware to be used and they called it LinuxMCE

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sphery:

jams: cool... would be nice to have an updated version of the reference platform... Might want to talk to wagnerrp, too--I know he tends to keep a list of "good choice" hardware for powerful, yet quiet and low-power-usage mythtv systems

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sphery:

that is if you get a chance to work on it (I realize you have a lot going on)

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peitolm:

If I want to move recordings between two backends that don't share a common filesystem, is there a "nice" way to do it?

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sphery:

peitolm: you mean "nice" to mythtv or just convenient way to do the physical transfer?

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peitolm:

nice to mythtv, at the moment i'm scp'ing and doing nasty stuff to the database

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anykey_:

Hm, I get the message that all tuners are busy for the selected input. I have two DVB-S2 tuners, one is currently recording something, on the other I'm watching livetv and wanted to change to another channel on the same tuner. Is this a bug?

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jams:

anykey_- using the program guide to change channels?

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anykey_:

jams: yes

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jams:

filed that bug yesterday

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anykey_:

ok

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jams:

typing in the numbers or using browse mode should still work

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anykey_:

yeah, seems like so

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jams:

it's annoying for sure

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trapicki:

Downloaded 0.25 tarball, configuring. Is there any way to make configure be more verbose on what is missing? I'd like to get from configure the missing files in order to install the needed dev packages, but configure just skips/disables the features...

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trapicki:

just some --be-picky-with-missing-deps :-)

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trapicki:

I tried forcong xv with --enable-xv, still no complaints, and in the result listing xv support is flagged "no"

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sphery:

trapicki: fwiw, not-enabled Xv almost definitely means you're missing development headers for X (specifically, for Xv, you need X11/extensions/Xv.h as well as X requirements, like X11/Xlib.h)

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trapicki:

sphery: config script is impressive, but a little convoluted. I wish there where some parts that would log something like "checking for <feature>... enabled/disabled"

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trapicki:

This way I have to dig in the source to guess at which point which check is done that leads to feature x enabled or disabled.

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sphery:

trapicki: yeah, I use different words to describe our configure script. :) Unfortunately, though, we're basically just inheriting it from ffmpeg and then adding some MythTV-specific stuff. Eventually I hope we'll do it properly with something like autotools or whatever

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sphery:

(where I'm hoping cmake isn't in that whatever :)

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airikka:

Hi, I'm using mythtv frontend and backend on different machines. Backend on a ppc with debian wheezy and frontend on a x86_64 with debian wheezy. When I ran mythfrontend the first time, I got GUI and could choose language and backend server/port etc. But then, the GUI vanished and every time I now try to use the front end it stops at "New DB connection, total: 1" and does not do anything else from there. when following the ...

[20:40:53]

airikka:

... backend log it says "MainServer, Warning: Unknown socket closing MythSocket". I don't know what to do. please help.

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airikka:

I'm using both frontend and backend from www.debian-multimedia.org

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sphery:

airikka: the information you specified gets stored into a file ~/.mythtv/config.xml (or may be in one of several mysql.txt files on your system). You should check all of them to make sure they're correct

[20:43:32]

airikka:

yes, I have done that and I think it is OK

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sphery:

airikka: also, if you're using multiple hosts, you can't use localhost or 127.0.0.1 (or ::1) for any of the MythTV IP addresses

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sphery:

airikka: you need a valid routable IP address (not host name) specified for master backend IP address and "this server" IP address in mythtv-setup on each system

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airikka:

I'm using my external NICs address

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airikka:

I can directly ssh to my backend server, no FW between.. same subnet

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sphery:

so next step is to start mythtv-setup and check master and this server IP address

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trapicki:

sphery: I'm trying to add some strategic log lines to get the info.

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sphery:

trapicki: you might also be able to figure out just by looking at the list for some distro's "mythtv-build" type meta package (whatever it's called... I know Ubuntu has one)

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sphery:

ideally it would be documented, but we haven't gotten around to it

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sphery:

perhaps a nice wiki page would be useful?

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sphery:

trapicki: also, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0. . . . site_Changes

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trapicki:

I know that, but somehow this list has to be created. With an autoconf script you run configure, look where it got stuck, install the package with the missing files and write that down. Repeat until configure passes, build. Some software has a list of packages in some docs, here the info is interwoven in the config script.

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trapicki:

Ah, release notes! Very fine!

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trapicki:

;-)

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

yes, skd5aner does a wonderful job keeping up with those

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airikka:

sphery: thanks for helping me. now I'm in mythtv-setup on the backend. I have stopped the backend daemon. In general configuration I have both local backend and master backend on my external NIC (i.e, not 127.0.0.1). port for local is 6543 and status port 6544. master backend port 6543. security pin is 0000

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sphery:

airikka: try running it on frontend host, too, to verify its values

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sphery:

those values sound good for your master backend

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airikka:

sphery: running mythtv-setup on frontend?

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sphery:

airikka: it's the easiest way to check the IP address config stuff

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airikka:

sphery: I only have the frontend-package (and dependencies) installed on the frontend machine, so no mythtv-setup binary there

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sphery:

just ignore it if it says you don't have capture cards defined or are missing storage groups or need to run mythtv-setup (say "I know what I'm doing")

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sphery:

I would say to just install the backend package (as, really, it /should/ be installed since we don't support partial installs), but I can't guarantee that the package won't set up mythbackend to actually run (which you don't want if it's a dedicated frontend system)

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sphery:

you can try mythfrontend -p

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airikka:

I will try to install the whole meta-package then

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sphery:

but the dialog for actually seeing/specifying/changing the IP address settings got broken a while back and isn't fixed, yet

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sphery:

airikka: try mythfrontend -p first

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sphery:

(while the backend is running)

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airikka:

sphery: ok

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sphery:

ideally you'll see the backend listed and just select it

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sphery:

(that part works--it's just the manual stuff that doesn't)

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airikka:

sphery: it prompts me my backend as an alternative and when I choose it I can choose "save database details", "save backend details" or "don't save". all three alternatives gives "cannot login"

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airikka:

sphery: maybe I should reinstall the backend machine from the "mythtv" meta-package so that I get both frontend and backend there also, and do the same thing with the frontend machine

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RagingMind:

sphery, the debian multimedia backend package pulls in the mysql server, sets up the database, and uses an init script to start the backend

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RagingMind:

oops, wait... there's a separate mythtv-database package

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no database package

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wagnerrp:

it has a single file

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wagnerrp:

with all of about 10 lines

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sphery:

wanted to tell airikka that it now sounds like DB configuration hasn't allowed remote loging, and that I'd need frontend log file to verify, but it seems I'm too late

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sphery:

login

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airikka:

sphery: sorry, my connection went down

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airikka:

I'm currently installing both back and front on both machines

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sphery:

04.10 17:27:39 <+sphery> wanted to tell airikka that it now sounds like DB configuration hasn't allowed remote loging, and that I'd need frontend log file to verify, but it seems I'm too late

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sphery:

airikka: ^^^

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sphery:

so that would be mysql permissions

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airikka:

aah, ok. but if that's the problem I might get it now when I have both front and back installed also

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sphery:

airikka: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql

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sphery:

and if you'd like to post a log file to http://pastebin.com/ , we can get a better idea of what's happening

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airikka:

and it feels better to have both frontend and backend installed when you say that partial installations are not supported ;-)

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airikka:

sphery: I will do that if I run into the same problems again

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airikka:

sphery: but It sound a lot like that mysql permissions are the problem here

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airikka:

since I did not grant any permissions

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sphery:

yeah, that's likely, then... And regarding partial installations: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/507780#507780 and the rest of the thread gives you background (and why it's a waste for distros to split up packages)

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/507780 **

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sphery:

hehe, that's new... Beirdo ^^^

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sphery:

seems we might want to ignore #number in URIs?

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sphery:

(but not a big deal if it's too much regex for every message)

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sunkan:

Hey, I get Class 'MythBase' not found with mythweb in 0.25 – is this a known problem or have I missed something?

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airikka:

sphery: I did the grant all thing, but still no success. http://pastebin.com/HDXvjv1X

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sphery:

airikka: it's definitely database connection issue

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sphery:

airikka: some distros seem to have broken MySQL authentication such that grant/flush privileges alone doesn't work, and you also need to do an explicit SET PASSWORD

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sphery:

airikka: something like SET PASSWORD FOR 'mythtv'@'*' = PASSWORD('newpwd');

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airikka:

I tried to log into mysql as mythtv user with the password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and it worked

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sphery:

from the frontend host?

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airikka:

but it was locally

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sphery:

try from frontend host

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sphery:

and note that mysql authentication gets complex

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airikka:

hmm, my mysql knowledge is not the best...

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RagingMind:

oh... airikka I think you have to tell the debian mysql server to listen on more than just localhost

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skd5aner:

sphery: what's the universal command to easily search for leftover mythtv libraries?

[22:05:12]

skd5aner:

I know you've got one you've provided before

[22:05:28]

Beirdo:

hahahaah

[22:05:39]

Beirdo:

you're killin me

[22:05:49]

skd5aner:

me?

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sphery:

so if you have passwords for mythtv@192.168.1.102 and mythtv@hostname and mythtv@localhost and ..., it will only match one (generally most specific one) and use its privs

[22:06:36]

airikka:

sphery: I tried "mysql -h 192.168.3.171 -P 6543 -u mythtv -p" from my frontend machine, and it did not work :-)

[22:07:22]

sphery:

airikka: I'm confident once you fix that it will work :)

[22:07:23]

RagingMind:

airikka, look in your mysql server config file

[22:07:25]

** RagingMind just checked his notes from when he separated his frontend and backend **

[22:08:29]

sphery:

skd5aner: ls -l /usr/{,local/}lib/{mythtv,libmyth*} /usr/{,local/}include/mythtv

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skd5aner:

that be it, thanks

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skd5aner:

I always like to manually check before an upgrade

[22:08:51]

sphery:

(took a while to find because somehow--likely due to lack of new release versions--I never said it in 2011)

[22:10:02]

RagingMind:

airikka, you'll wanna set the bind-address in /etc/mysql/my.cnf

[22:10:26]

skd5aner:

lots of directories with header files under /usr/local/include/mythtv.... libavcodec,libavcore,libavdevice,etc – should those be uninstalled with a make uninstall?

[22:10:30]

skd5aner:

sphery: ^

[22:11:14]

sphery:

skd5aner: I think it will if you have a right-versioned source package (i.e. same one you used to install) on which you call make uninstall

[22:11:26]

skd5aner:

well, I did...

[22:11:28]

sphery:

RagingMind: nice... forgot that one

[22:11:30]

skd5aner:

but it kept them there

[22:11:41]

skd5aner:

I'll manually remove them – but might be something to check in to

[22:11:56]

sphery:

I'll file that under, "Something I may look into one day when I'm bored" :)

[22:12:10]

sphery:

but good to know

[22:12:29]

sphery:

I was thinking there were some updates done during 0.25 dev for fixing make uninstall issues

[22:12:34]

sphery:

might have fixed it on current

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RagingMind:

sphery, I made lots of notes when I was setting up both my backend/fileserver and my frontend or I'd never ever remember

[22:13:07]

sphery:

hehe, yeah, that's the way to do it

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airikka:

sphery: I did not manage it yet, but I have to go to sleep now. It's already after midnight here in Sweden. Thanks for your help anyway! It is most likely database connection problems I'm dealing with right now :-) Good night!

[22:20:28]

sphery:

airikka: good luck, and I know there are some MySQL pros (literally--people who manage it for a living) in here, so I'm sure some can help

[22:20:36]

sphery:

and good night

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skd5aner:

hmmm, ./configure is indicating that my libx264 isn't at least v0.99, but it's actually v0.116

[22:34:51]

skd5aner:

ok, old header is installed apparently

[22:36:38]

sphery:

bet stuarta didn't have that problem... better hurry!

[22:36:58]

skd5aner:

so, I have an x264.h in /usr/include and one in /usr/local/include :P

[22:37:09]

skd5aner:

thanks ubuntu

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sphery:

sure you didn't install the /usr/include one from packages and the /usr/local/include one from a self-compile?

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skd5aner:

would it have been installed WITH ffmpeg?

[22:38:22]

skd5aner:

or seperately?

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skd5aner:

if seperately, then I'm 90% sure I didn't

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TheAsp:

skd5aner: apt-get build-dep mythtv

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skd5aner:

TheAsp: yea, I do it the harder, more manual way ;)

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TheAsp:

:P

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skd5aner:

but – that's the advice I generally give everyone else – heh

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sphery:

it's technically a separate source package, but I don't know if ffmpeg has an "internal" one that they might install for you

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brian__:

Now that 0.25 is out and mythfilldatabase is gone, has wget been completely eliminated from the dependencies? I am thinking in particular of myth-setup.

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skd5aner:

it's not gone

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skd5aner:

it just no longer users wget

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skd5aner:

s/users/uses

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sphery:

brian__: mythfilldatabase is still there, but now ^^^

[22:41:17]

brian__:

OK — I'm really just concerned with whether we require wget.

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brian__:

I have been updating the OSX installation page

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sphery:

brian__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0. . . . site_Changes

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: are theses new pre-reqs in 0.25?

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skd5aner:

WARNING: disabling Python bindings; missing urlgrabber

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skd5aner:

WARNING: disabling Perl bindings; missing IO::Socket::INET6

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sphery:

Removed support libraries/prerequisites

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sphery:

skd5aner: IO::Socket::INET6 is

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skd5aner:

k – it ought to be added to that list then sphery – you want to do it or want me to do it?

[22:42:30]

sphery:

(new to 0.25, that is)

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brian__:

and it would be convenient if I can eliminate the prereq from the list. Thanks for the link but it does not mention if wget is no longer required at the setup stage

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sphery:

skd5aner: I can do this one (since you did all the rest :)

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skd5aner:

brian__: it's no longer required at any stage

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skd5aner:

sphery: ;)

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sphery:

skd5aner: urlgrabber might be, too, but I'll let wagnerrp answer since he'll know better when it was added

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skd5aner:

you probably need to add the urlgrabber python module too I guess

[22:43:15]

skd5aner:

yea

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brian__:

Excellent . I will update the wiki accordingly

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sphery:

skd5aner: can I move the 2 perl ones to the top (so only "required for Perl bindings" one is at top adn Perl ones are together)?

[22:45:34]

sphery:

all the others seem to be optional

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skd5aner:

sure

[22:46:37]

sphery:

ok, thanks... it's done--and looks like my client didn't cut off the page due to too small a post or whatever :)

[22:46:45]

sphery:

(always worry when I'm editing huge pages :)

[22:47:00]

skd5aner:

heh – yea, I wonder if that's still an issue?

[22:47:20]

sphery:

not sure... it hasn't hit me, yet, but I remember someone talking about it

[22:47:37]

skd5aner:

hurray – after 10 apt-gets later, I can get past the ./config I want

[22:48:06]

sphery:

skd5aner: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 74003#474003 "Removes urlgrabber dependency for all but smolt_mythtv.py, which will be rewritten to use the Python bindings, rather than pull from the backend status page."

[22:48:06]

** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/474003 **

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skd5aner:

yay for make -j8

[22:48:20]

sphery:

so seems that we needed urlgrabber in 0.24, too

[22:48:40]

skd5aner:

hmmm – .config never complained about it not being there in 0.24?

[22:49:02]

skd5aner:

er, configure

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sphery:

ah, wait, that is after 0.24 release

[22:49:41]

sphery:

so maybe it was added after 0.24 release, too

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JoshTriplett:

Anyone around using a Ceton InfiniTV? Do captions work?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: if you want to put the milestone-setting part in the ticket updater plugin again, feel free :)

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skd5aner:

sphery: doing the schema upgrade now... might I suggest some running dots to indicate progress on long schema updates?

[23:11:47]

sphery:

might e possible after the redesign of the schema wizard

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wagnerrp:

will do

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wagnerrp:

JoshTriplett: the infinitv is just a digital tuner

[23:14:16]

wagnerrp:

it will receive whatever subtitles the cable company sends

[23:14:58]

JoshTriplett:

wagnerrp: Perhaps I should ask the question a slightly different way, then. On channels where the cable-company-provided cable box currently shows standard closed captions, does that imply the presence of subtitles in the digital stream?

[23:15:21]

JoshTriplett:

Because, by the time the cable box outputs them, they've become VBI that my ivtv cards consume.

[23:15:39]

JoshTriplett:

I'm trying to find out whether, if I upgrade to an InfiniTV, I'll still have captions or not.

[23:17:15]

wagnerrp:

JoshTriplett: yes

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JoshTriplett:

wagnerrp: Awesome. Thanks!

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SmallR2002:

wagnerrp: strangely it just started working, maybe something needed a restart, thanks from earlier

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skd5aner:

hmmm, when I restarted gdm (and autostarted mythtfrontend via an xsession script) I'm just seeing a blank background for terra....

[23:41:20]

skd5aner:

I'm assuming it migth be updating something, like the video schema??

[23:41:25]

skd5aner:

but no idea, it's just... sitting there

[23:42:05]

skd5aner:

sphery: actually, it's doing a backup of the db... why would it be doing that if I did it already when I launched mythbackend?

[23:42:25]

skd5aner:

took about 2–3 minutes – no indication to the user what was going on – only figured it out via htop

[23:42:42]

skd5aner:

thought it froze or something, glad I didn't just kill it off :P

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sphery:

skd5aner: because it was about to update mythmusic schema and did a backup before that

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skd5aner:

sphery: ahh, wants to update my music schema

[23:43:38]

sphery:

(mythmusic is the only plugin left that does a check/backs up database before upgrade)

[23:43:41]

skd5aner:

yea, but really bad form – showing a blank screen for several minutes after an upgrade with no indication that it was doing that

[23:43:46]

sphery:

yes

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sphery:

which is why I have to completely rewrite the entire schema wizard

[23:44:05]

sphery:

which is not mythui compatible

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skd5aner:

I'm going to add that to the release notes for 0.25 though

[23:44:10]

sphery:

and, therefore, can't do popups

[23:44:14]

skd5aner:

under the special notes section

[23:44:22]

sphery:

it's always been like that

[23:45:09]

sphery:

but doesn't hurt to have a note, "first time startup of both mythbackend and mythfrontend after upgrade may take a while due to backing up the database before upgrades"

[23:45:13]

sphery:

or whatever

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skd5aner:

well, mythbackend kind of lets you know what's going on on the CLI

[23:48:06]

skd5aner:

not really feasible on mfe

[23:48:09]

skd5aner:

anyway – back to play

[23:48:14]

skd5aner:

(added the note to the wiki)

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sphery:

thanks

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helppython:

Hello

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sphery:

the name sounds familiar, but I forgot what we were fixing...

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sphery:

welcome back, though

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