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| [01:31:01] | Beirdo: | frick |
| [01:31:07] | Beirdo: | thanks, TI |
| [01:31:39] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [01:31:43] | Beirdo: | looking at one of their DSPs.. 176pin QFP. **PLUS** a base pad on the botton |
| [01:31:52] | Beirdo: | which is the only ground connection |
| [01:32:11] | Beirdo: | how the HECK am I supposed to hand-solder that? |
| [01:32:44] | Beirdo: | why can't these people make packages that hobbyists can use? |
| [01:33:07] | Beirdo: | other than that, seems about perfect |
| [01:33:29] | Beirdo: | has ethernet, USB (host and slave), floating point DSP.... |
| [01:33:51] | Beirdo: | $25 qty one from digikey |
| [01:33:52] | wagnerrp: | what are you looking at this for? |
| [01:34:08] | Beirdo: | making an SDR |
| [01:34:15] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [01:34:30] | Beirdo: | not a cheap one though :) |
| [01:34:59] | Beirdo: | already have DSP, FPGA, programmable oscillator, quadrature demodulator, dual channel ADC |
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| [01:35:09] | Beirdo: | at around $100 in parts |
| [01:35:47] | Beirdo: | still need an IF filter (preferrably programmable) |
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| [01:36:10] | Beirdo: | and... something for the **low** frequency :) |
| [01:36:35] | Beirdo: | the demod is good to down to 50MHz |
| [01:37:42] | wagnerrp: | have you considered one of the OMAP units? or are they all too expensive for this? |
| [01:38:09] | Beirdo: | Haven't looked yet, that could be a possibility too |
| [01:38:22] | Beirdo: | the one I'm looking at right now is the c6745 |
| [01:38:56] | wagnerrp: | like this one? http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=4418 |
| [01:39:35] | wagnerrp: | comes in a nice DIMM card you could get a generic socket for |
| [01:39:43] | wagnerrp: | ... but its twice the price you were quoting |
| [01:40:26] | Beirdo: | I keep forgetting people have those on DIMMS |
| [01:40:27] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:40:35] | Beirdo: | that would actually do well |
| [01:41:14] | Beirdo: | aww, no ethernet? buggers |
| [01:41:43] | wagnerrp: | "10/100 Mb/s Ethernet MAC" |
| [01:41:46] | wagnerrp: | just no PHY |
| [01:41:48] | Beirdo: | ah, so it does |
| [01:42:02] | Beirdo: | hopefully they route RMII and MDIO to the connector |
| [01:43:11] | Beirdo: | that would be easier to deal with than messing directly with teh DSP chip for soldering |
| [01:43:15] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:43:42] | Beirdo: | thank you :) |
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| [01:44:52] | Beirdo: | although not cheap, of course :) |
| [01:45:09] | Beirdo: | $200 for the convenience of them putting it on the DIMM for you |
| [01:45:31] | wagnerrp: | seems you can get the L137 BGA-256 itself for ~$30 |
| [01:45:44] | wagnerrp: | 138 |
| [01:47:20] | Beirdo: | and then find a shop to put it on a board for you and pray that it works |
| [01:47:26] | Beirdo: | BGA is the devil |
| [01:47:53] | wagnerrp: | seems like it would be easier |
| [01:47:54] | jya_: | You better have good gear to use a custom board with bga |
| [01:48:06] | wagnerrp: | line it up, heat the whole thing up to temperature |
| [01:48:39] | jya_: | $199 doesn't seem that expensive all thing considered.. By the time you're finished, you would have spent much more than $150 worth of time |
| [01:49:06] | Beirdo: | I will not mess with BGA for boards I build |
| [01:49:07] | jya_: | wagnerrp: Is that how you mount bga? You must have a great success ratio :) |
| [01:49:50] | Beirdo: | BGA is horrible unless you have the proper gear, or have extremely expensive sockets taht gently fondle the balls |
| [01:49:59] | Beirdo: | and THOSE are BGA anyways |
| [01:50:28] | Beirdo: | for production runs, BGA is great. for onesy things, it's hell |
| [01:50:29] | jya_: | Yeah, electronic components these days don't make it easy for the casual home pass-time |
| [01:50:42] | Beirdo: | TQFP, I'm happy with |
| [01:50:59] | jya_: | All right got to go |
| [01:51:01] | Beirdo: | except with exposed GND pad on the bottom |
| [01:52:14] | ** wagnerrp has never touched raw chips ** | |
| [01:52:19] | Beirdo: | zot |
| [01:52:21] | Beirdo: | L( |
| [01:52:23] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:53:27] | Beirdo: | I'm not setup for doing stuff that requires actual reflow |
| [01:54:09] | wagnerrp: | aww come on, tons of lowly Xbox users managed to pull it off... :) |
| [01:54:33] | Beirdo: | even more have managed to screw it up |
| [01:55:13] | wagnerrp: | well you cant screw it up, it was broken to begin with |
| [01:56:30] | Beirdo: | yeah, as opposed to buying a DSP and frying it :) |
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| [02:05:03] | Beirdo: | something tells me the baseband antialias filter is gonna be a PITA |
| [02:06:42] | DeviceZer0: | hmm...having issues with my prime and I see this in my backend logs: http://pastebin.com/Nkgj6nmS |
| [02:06:49] | DeviceZer0: | any idea what that means? |
| [02:09:26] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [02:10:48] | DeviceZer0: | hmm |
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| [02:53:48] | kisak: | wagnerrp: do you remember that I have a frontend that I believed had a rendering problem with the center text contents of the Program Details screen? I thought that it was caused by the Qt renderer as compared to the OpenGL renderer |
| [02:55:35] | kisak: | turns out out of 4 frontends checked, the frontend with the missing text was the one set to OpenGL, and setting it to auto did not show a change |
| [02:56:54] | kisak: | *only one set to OpenGL |
| [02:58:09] | kisak: | so I'm back to troubleshooting 101, what's different on that frontend |
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| [04:32:15] | FLeiXiuS: | I keep getting a ' CoreContext ringbuffer.cpp:1085 (WaitForAvail) RingBuf' Ring buff problems when browsing live tv |
| [04:32:30] | FLeiXiuS: | This only happened when I switched to using an NFS share over a gig link |
| [04:32:46] | FLeiXiuS: | I'm led to believe that its a async issue – not sure. |
| [04:45:15] | FLeiXiuS: | Is it bad practice to have a LiveTV storage group on an NFS share? |
| [04:45:31] | FLeiXiuS: | Is that too much network traffic..especially when watching the show. |
| [04:55:54] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [04:56:01] | Beirdo: | www.farmersonly.com. |
| [04:56:11] | Beirdo: | a dating site for "country folk only" |
| [04:56:13] | Beirdo: | hehehehe. |
| [04:56:20] | Beirdo: | nice ad |
| [04:56:42] | wagnerrp: | bbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| [05:00:34] | wagnerrp: | http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/shl100410l.jpg |
| [05:03:13] | wagnerrp: | farmland orgy.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/islandblogging/ . . . nal_fank.jpg |
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| [05:41:08] | FLeiXiuS: | Anyone have issues streaming 1080p content form a storage group mounted via samba? |
| [05:41:56] | FLeiXiuS: | Over a 1gb lijnk |
| [05:42:02] | wagnerrp: | you need to have a fairly well tuned samba server to manage 1080p video content |
| [05:42:14] | wagnerrp: | youre looking at ~80MB/s |
| [05:43:21] | [R]: | why on earth are you using samba |
| [05:43:41] | FLeiXiuS: | FreeNAS NFS async bug |
| [05:44:00] | wagnerrp: | why not just run mythbackend on freenas? |
| [05:44:14] | wagnerrp: | have it stream the content directly |
| [05:45:41] | FLeiXiuS: | I could go about doing that. I currently have freenas and myth backend as a VM on my esxi server. Then my clients are diskless. Need to get content to them. |
| [05:45:50] | FLeiXiuS: | The NFS async bug is a killer. |
| [05:45:56] | wagnerrp: | erm... huh? |
| [05:45:58] | FLeiXiuS: | For some reason it's not sticking on 8.0.4 |
| [05:47:27] | wagnerrp: | when youre having trouble accessing content through a network filesystem on a single physical piece of hardware |
| [05:47:35] | wagnerrp: | thats pretty clear indication youre doing something horribly wrong |
| [05:48:49] | FLeiXiuS: | erm fck – your right. My test frontend was configured to use my local backend rather the esxi one. That explains the bandwidth consumptions. DOH! |
| [05:49:21] | FLeiXiuS: | Gah .. sometimes its the easy things that are often overlooked. |
| [05:49:50] | wagnerrp: | im more just talking about the general absurdity of using NFS, or Samba, to mount storage on one physical machine back on itself |
| [05:52:59] | FLeiXiuS: | wagnerrp, The FreeNAs box has several sata controllers configured as a passthrough device for ZFS raidz |
| [05:53:31] | FLeiXiuS: | There's really no other way to go about getting the storage out to my VM's and my mythsetup without going through network shares |
| [05:53:52] | wagnerrp: | the comment still stands |
| [05:54:01] | FLeiXiuS: | The 2 VM's are on a 10gb vswitch with 2 bonded NICs. The network between them is fairly straightforwardd |
| [05:54:08] | FLeiXiuS: | But I understand your argument |
| [05:54:57] | wagnerrp: | in any case, if your storage is on freenas, run your backend on freenas |
| [05:55:09] | wagnerrp: | bypass NFS/CIFS entirely |
| [05:55:33] | FLeiXiuS: | Yeah that'll maximize i/o for sure. I'll have to see about getting myth-backend on bsd |
| [05:56:00] | wagnerrp: | works just fine, theres a freebsd buildbot doing continuous integration testing |
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| [08:27:24] | prologic: | Is it possible to delete all recordings from a display group at once? |
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| [11:59:26] | ertyuio: | hello |
| [11:59:39] | ertyuio: | anyone ? |
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| [12:24:14] | anykey_: | I constantly get ringbuffer warnings in 0.25, without any visible issues though. |
| [12:24:31] | anykey_: | Is this a known problem? |
| [12:25:17] | wagnerrp: | if its not a visible issue, its not an issue |
| [12:26:18] | wagnerrp: | until it starts having adverse consequences, its just overly verbose logging |
| [12:26:29] | anykey_: | ok |
| [12:27:10] | anykey_: | also I have horrible colours on the frontend, but only during video output, seems like too much green or so |
| [12:27:46] | wagnerrp: | what video card? |
| [12:28:10] | anykey_: | wagnerrp: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller |
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| [13:28:58] | Oleg_: | mythtv 0.25 will be released today? |
| [13:29:08] | wagnerrp: | thats the idea |
| [13:29:44] | anykey_: | i hope not before #10490 is fixed... |
| [13:29:44] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10490 ** | |
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| [14:24:18] | adam_112: | I've been on this channel the last couple of days with a livetv problem. Basically the stream would start run for 5–10 secs when end. I've think I've found my issue. My Cable company has the cgms copy-once flag set on almost all the channels. Shouldn't myth fail more grafefully and let me know of this issue? |
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| [14:26:43] | wagnerrp: | odd that it would allow limited recording and not fail outright |
| [14:26:51] | wagnerrp: | these are cable channels with CGMS, not broadcast? |
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| [14:28:39] | wagnerrp: | anything broadcast, just get a separate ClearQAM tuner, and put it on an independent video source with only those local broadcast channels |
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| [14:48:13] | adam_112: | I would if it would fill a buffer then when trying to write to disk it fails? |
| [14:48:26] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [14:50:56] | adam_112: | I was thinking that the stream is first written to memory then written to disk? |
| [14:51:10] | adam_112: | I was able to play the bit written to memory. |
| [14:51:20] | adam_112: | Just a Wild-ass guess |
| [14:51:55] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what that has to do with anything |
| [14:52:31] | wagnerrp: | if the content is protected, it should never be passed from the cablecard tuner to mythtv in the first place |
| [14:52:57] | adam_112: | On my card the are two copy protect deals cgms and another one(can't remember the name) Seems like the other one is used much more. |
| [14:53:04] | wagnerrp: | unless due to the nature of CGMS, the unit must perform some limited video decoding to determine that the stream is supposed to be protected |
| [14:53:12] | wagnerrp: | at which point it has already sent some data to mythtv |
| [14:53:57] | adam_112: | The cable company is coming out today because they claim they don't protect anything but prem channels. SO maybe something is wrong with the setup of the card or the card itself. |
| [14:54:12] | wagnerrp: | ah, CGMS-D, not -A |
| [14:54:24] | wagnerrp: | digital version of -D that does not require video processing |
| [14:54:48] | wagnerrp: | anyway, CGMS-D is the "broadcast flag" banned by the FCC several years back |
| [14:54:59] | adam_112: | Okay....... :) |
| [14:55:12] | wagnerrp: | you cant broadcast it, but you can pass it through when being re-distributed to cable companies |
| [14:55:24] | adam_112: | I'm using a HD homerun prime |
| [14:55:38] | adam_112: | Not suer if that helps. |
| [14:55:43] | adam_112: | sure* |
| [14:55:55] | wagnerrp: | the television stations pass it to the cable company, the cable company passes it through as they are required, and the cablecard tuner dutifully upholds the restriction |
| [14:56:20] | adam_112: | So I might be screwed? |
| [14:56:22] | wagnerrp: | the up side is that only local broadcast stations retransmitted over cable can have this issue, while your cable-only channels should be in the clear |
| [14:56:35] | wagnerrp: | and those local broadcast stations should all be otherwise unencrypted |
| [14:57:02] | wagnerrp: | so assuming its not some fault causing a misdetection in the cablecard, you can always pick up a clearqam tuner, and capture those channels directly |
| [14:57:10] | adam_112: | Okay. I can play local but TNT TBS etc have the flag. |
| [14:57:27] | adam_112: | This is testing using the quicktv program provided by silicondust |
| [14:57:46] | wagnerrp: | those stations should never have CGMS, as anything cable should only be protected by CCI flags |
| [15:00:10] | adam_112: | okay. Then I must have problem in my programming or the card is flaky. |
| [15:00:24] | adam_112: | Anything in particular I should mention to the cable guy? |
| [15:00:41] | wagnerrp: | might want to look through the silicondust forums |
| [15:01:10] | wagnerrp: | even if those channels had CGMS information, they should still be overridden by the 'copy freely' CCI flag the cable company was setting |
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| [15:01:26] | adam_112: | I did. I didn't see anything that looked good to me. However, I am not sure what I'm looking for. |
| [15:01:52] | wagnerrp: | CGMS only has any effect on local broadcast channels, as the cable company does not set any CCI flags, causing the cablecard to fall through to those alternate systems |
| [15:02:38] | adam_112: | Okay so if the CGMS flag is set to copy once but the CCI flag is set to copy freely I should be able to watch those channels? Then maybe it is a silicondust problem. |
| [15:03:35] | wagnerrp: | that is my understanding of the situation |
| [15:03:51] | wagnerrp: | assuming the cable company is actually setting 'copy freely', and not just leaving blank |
| [15:04:15] | adam_112: | Ahhhh.... It is blank in many cases. |
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| [15:10:39] | SmallR2002: | so, I need a little advice on tuner cards and such |
| [15:11:22] | wagnerrp: | broadcast or comcast? |
| [15:12:33] | SmallR2002: | Comcast |
| [15:12:46] | wagnerrp: | standard or premium? |
| [15:12:59] | SmallR2002: | freebie with internet |
| [15:13:22] | wagnerrp: | get a clear qam tuner |
| [15:13:26] | wagnerrp: | !url – list |
| [15:13:26] | MythLogBot: | analoghw currentrelease deleteme(disabled) devrelease digitalhw down faq fixesrelease google linuxtv lmgtfy log logs overscan overview pastebin recordingcable theming tuners upnp vdpau wiki |
| [15:13:31] | wagnerrp: | !url digitalhw |
| [15:13:31] | MythLogBot: | digitalhw: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards |
| [15:14:05] | wagnerrp: | you want one of those ATSC cards listed as supporting "QAM" |
| [15:14:06] | SmallR2002: | I got a hvr-1250 which identifies itself as a 1255, seems to work |
| [15:14:23] | wagnerrp: | ok? |
| [15:15:24] | wagnerrp: | if you already have a tuner card, what is the question? |
| [15:18:12] | SmallR2002: | I don't think its picking up the channels |
| [15:18:44] | SmallR2002: | can't find a specific one, plus I want a on board encoder |
| [15:18:59] | wagnerrp: | it should pick up any unencrypted digital cable channel, meaning any local broadcast channel |
| [15:19:22] | wagnerrp: | you have no need for an on-board encoder, as the content is compressed by the broadcaster |
| [15:19:31] | wagnerrp: | you get an MPEG2 stream directly off the wire |
| [15:20:11] | SmallR2002: | hmm |
| [15:20:55] | SmallR2002: | I must play more, I got the impression none of the MPEG channels were tuning |
| [15:21:13] | wagnerrp: | theyre all MPEG channels |
| [15:21:20] | wagnerrp: | thats all that comes over digital cable, MPEG2 |
| [15:21:24] | wagnerrp: | with AC3 audio |
| [15:21:58] | wagnerrp: | if youre talking specifically about 'MPEG' channels found by the scanner, those are generally going to be unusable |
| [15:22:13] | SmallR2002: | ah, yes, that's what I mean |
| [15:22:16] | wagnerrp: | the only ones youre like to care about are ones scanned as 'ATSC' |
| [15:22:40] | wagnerrp: | or maybe '8VSB', i dont recall exactly what it calls them |
| [15:23:02] | wagnerrp: | basically, the ones that get recognized with a proper name and number |
| [15:23:17] | wagnerrp: | with the name matching the callsign of some local broadcast channel |
| [15:23:30] | SmallR2002: | got some that were stsc or something similar |
| [15:24:17] | SmallR2002: | there were no named channels |
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| [15:56:53] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I thought the goal was to keep tuner/encoder stuff off of the wiki and direct elsewhere? |
| [15:57:57] | wagnerrp: | see the big warning at the top of the page of it being an unofficial list? |
| [15:58:14] | wagnerrp: | and then the warning in the individual groups about it being an unofficial list, and pointing to the linuxtv wiki |
| [15:58:29] | wagnerrp: | and then the links on each device pointing to the relevant pages on the linuxtv wiki |
| [15:58:39] | skd5aner: | of course, just didn't realize a url was setup for it in mythlogbot – figured "tuners" was the preferred one (didn't know this page existed) |
| [15:59:23] | wagnerrp: | basically, it serves three purposes |
| [15:59:38] | wagnerrp: | its a simple table, that provides quick information to the essentials someone looking to use mythtv would need |
| [15:59:42] | skd5aner: | I actually think it *should* exist – just surprised to see you reference it based on my assumption that we were asked to direct people directly to linuxtv |
| [15:59:50] | skd5aner: | I'm cool with it |
| [15:59:56] | skd5aner: | just wanted some perspective |
| [16:00:19] | skd5aner: | I like it much more as a starting point than dumping them in the massive library of linuxtv |
| [16:00:30] | wagnerrp: | it lets us push the mpeg encoders, while such things are not categorized independently in linuxtv |
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| [16:00:57] | wagnerrp: | and if we didnt have anything, at some point, someone would start up the mess we had before, with hundreds of pages for individual tuners |
| [16:01:40] | wagnerrp: | basically, a quick reference and a "go here for more information" |
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| [16:22:30] | jams: | wagnerrp- vtpertuner. it's the total number of virtual tuners per mythcluster? |
| [16:23:02] | wagnerrp: | average number of virtual tuners, per tuner of type that supports them |
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| [16:23:46] | jams: | ok |
| [16:23:55] | wagnerrp: | say you have four digital tuners, with vtpertuner=2.5 |
| [16:24:00] | wagnerrp: | you have 10 virtual tuners |
| [16:25:18] | jams: | got it |
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| [16:26:09] | wagnerrp: | does smolt have any mechanism to chart this stuff rather than just list it? |
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| [16:27:03] | jams: | nothing built in |
| [16:27:59] | wagnerrp: | a lot of this information would make more sense charted... |
| [16:28:05] | wagnerrp: | i may look into that sometime |
| [16:29:05] | jams: | difficulty depends on the type of chart |
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| [16:32:50] | jams: | need to put labels/units on some of these values |
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| [16:35:46] | wagnerrp: | still have at least half the en_US users running the wrong locale |
| [16:36:07] | jams: | i am pleased with the number of submissions in such a short time |
| [16:36:41] | wagnerrp: | did you decide whether you wanted mysql version filtered client or server-side? |
| [16:37:07] | ** wagnerrp doesnt know if the smolt server is configured to allow easy grouping ** | |
| [16:37:13] | jams: | heh never gave it a second thought, got caught up with other stuff |
| [16:37:36] | jams: | well the grouping would occur server side, either in python or as a mysql query |
| [16:38:03] | wagnerrp: | what im getting at is if you want a change in the client, that should occur today before release |
| [16:38:58] | jams: | right..i see no need to change the client. Would rather have the data in the db, and grouped later |
| [16:40:17] | wagnerrp: | it will be interesting to see how the numbers change post-release |
| [16:40:22] | wagnerrp: | since right now, its almost all ubuntu |
| [16:40:27] | jams: | sure is |
| [16:41:25] | jams: | i'm really looking forward to the hosts per cluster stat |
| [16:41:44] | jams: | no real reason other then I find it interesting |
| [16:42:18] | wagnerrp: | are those tuner counts taking into account multiple nodes on a cluster? |
| [16:42:57] | jams: | the tuner count is for the entire cluster |
| [16:43:10] | jams: | so yes |
| [16:45:04] | wagnerrp: | something like "% of users with X type of tuner" would be of use |
| [16:46:13] | jams: | yeah it would |
| [16:46:18] | ** jams makes a note ** | |
| [16:51:44] | wagnerrp: | ill need to rework the calling mechanism for that script for 0.26 |
| [16:52:00] | wagnerrp: | since right now, it only gets called on frontends, and then only if specifically enabled for that host |
| [17:01:47] | jams: | i was actually thinking that if host is submitted, we should assume the rest are fair game |
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| [17:10:51] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: per you "should we collect field X" question – I'd just say, if it's easy to collect- collect it |
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| [17:10:56] | skd5aner: | figured out if it's useful later |
| [17:11:01] | skd5aner: | s/figured/figure |
| [17:11:35] | skd5aner: | I'm one of those guys that things having as much data as possible upfront, then see what patterns emerge |
| [17:12:07] | skd5aner: | (so long as storage/bandwidth/processing/time-to-create doesn't suffer) |
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| [17:16:26] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: well thats the thing, its not easy as the data simply doesnt exist |
| [17:16:58] | wagnerrp: | we would have to add a new 'provider' field in the configuration UI specifically for that |
| [17:17:59] | wagnerrp: | im just thinking it could be useful for informational purposes |
| [17:18:15] | wagnerrp: | "if you have X provider, you can use IPTV, as Y number of users are already doing so" |
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| [17:28:41] | wagnerrp: | im honestly bothered by how many i686 users there are |
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| [17:32:04] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: howso? |
| [17:35:04] | wagnerrp: | 40% of 0.25 users are still running 32-bit operating systems |
| [17:35:50] | wagnerrp: | thats a rather disturbing concept on its own, made more so by the fact that those are users who choose to run unreleased, developmental code |
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| [17:36:36] | Seeker`: | I've got one of my machines on 64 bit and the other 32 I think |
| [17:36:48] | wagnerrp: | is it 32-bit hardware? |
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| [17:37:54] | Seeker`: | backend is 64 bit, frontend is 32 bit on 64 bit hardware. But thats because I haven't reinstalled my frontend in a long time |
| [17:39:54] | wagnerrp: | what im getting at is that every piece of desktop hardware since the pre-EM64T P4s in 2005 have been 64-bit capable |
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| [17:40:16] | wagnerrp: | and now seven years later, everyone should be running 64-bit OSs except those who have good reason not to |
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| [17:41:25] | Seeker`: | I don't think that frontend has been reinstalled in 3 years |
| [17:41:51] | Seeker`: | If/when it gets a SSD I'll put 64 bit on it |
| [17:44:03] | sphery: | only reason I don't still have an Athlon XP 2400+ system is because the CPU failed (after nearly every other part--PSU, mobo, CPU fan, chipset fan, RAM--had already failed and been replaced), and I actually learned my lesson from spending about 2x the cost of a new system to fix the old system to "save" money years back when all the rest failed |
| [17:44:21] | sphery: | had it kept working, it would still be a dedicated remote backend for me |
| [17:44:57] | wagnerrp: | well currently 75% of those users are running ubuntu from within the past 6 months |
| [17:45:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: dedicated backends dont show up on smolt (yet) |
| [17:45:18] | sphery: | (generally buying old tech to replace parts on an old system is more expensive than buying a new system) |
| [17:45:19] | wagnerrp: | only frontends |
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| [17:45:44] | sphery: | yeah, I'll agree that using i686 (especially if it is ancient hardware like mine) for a frontend is crazy |
| [17:46:36] | wagnerrp: | im just saying there is going to be limited use for playback on that old hardware (since it will struggle on most things HD) |
| [17:46:43] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: hmm, but you get a new version of ubuntu with apt-get upgrade, but you can't swap from 32 to 64 bit using apt-get upgrade afaik |
| [17:46:56] | sphery: | i686 for a frontend on x86_64-capable hardware is "meh"... I can see a user doing so if they rely on proprietary code that's not available as 64-bit--though, really, with multilib distros, even that doesn't make much sense |
| [17:47:11] | sphery: | (specifically, Skype--which needs to die--is still 32-bit only) |
| [17:47:14] | RagingMind: | wagnerrp, my dedicated front end and my desktop are x86–64, but my laptop and my server are just x86. doubt I'll be upgrading either of those for a few years yet |
| [17:47:16] | wagnerrp: | and when something like 85% of the users are running an OS updated in at least the last year, i dont see why 40% of them are running i686 |
| [17:47:50] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:48:16] | sphery: | even Windows went multilib (with Windows-on-Windows), so you didn't have to worry that Firefox was only available in 32-bit for Windows |
| [17:48:39] | devinheitmueller: | At least in my case I did 32-bit on 64 bit hardware because I also wanted to use the Hulu/Linux app, which didn't support 64-bit. |
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| [17:48:53] | sphery: | so, yeah, now I'm agreeing--there's not much reason to do 32-bit |
| [17:48:59] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: not even when running multilib? |
| [17:49:03] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: but on a multilib system, it should work, right? |
| [17:49:12] | sphery: | (i.e. with /lib and lib64 type stuff) |
| [17:49:21] | devinheitmueller: | I don't remember now. I think there were dependencies on libraries that didn't include 32-bit versions. |
| [17:49:31] | sphery: | note, also, that the "powers that be" have decided that multilib isn't good enough and are not going "multi-arch" |
| [17:49:57] | devinheitmueller: | All I remember thinking was, "why bother with the headache of trying to make 64-bit work? It's not actually buying me anything..." |
| [17:50:13] | wagnerrp: | i mean even for 32-bit flash and mythnetvision, you can still run 32-bit myth |
| [17:50:21] | wagnerrp: | (on 64-bit linux) |
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| [17:50:25] | RagingMind: | sphery, for a while people would choose the x86 ubuntu over the *64 one because they wanted flash and have just been updating since then |
| [17:50:47] | sphery: | so you'll have stuff like ia32-libs or x64-libs |
| [17:50:55] | sphery: | or even stuff using full triplets |
| [17:50:58] | wagnerrp: | RagingMind: the purpose of multilib is that you can run 32-bit applications for those things that need it, on 64-bit linux |
| [17:51:26] | sphery: | yeah, so you get 64-bit Ubuntu and just run 32-bit Firefox so the 32-bit Flash works |
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| [17:52:03] | RagingMind: | yes, but at the time my bf switched to ubuntu that sorts of things didn't work. I have since reinstalled with 64bit |
| [17:52:05] | sphery: | but a user who's "smarter than the average user" and says, "Well, I want to run 64-bit Firefox because it's faster," will then be unable to use 32-bit plugins (at least without nswrapper type solutions) |
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| [17:52:28] | sphery: | and all because they're choosing to use an approach which prevents using the 32-bit flash they want |
| [17:52:55] | sphery: | (so then they go all 32-bit, because they refused to run 32-bit Firefox on 64-bit-capable Ubuntu--meaning they threw out the baby with the bathwater) |
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| [17:53:19] | sphery: | (not even going into the whole, "because it's faster" fallacy :) |
| [17:54:16] | kisak: | sphery: you know that there will be nothing more that could be considered innovative from skype |
| [17:54:36] | sphery: | kisak: what? Microsoft is all about "innovating" other companies techs |
| [17:54:55] | sphery: | They even innovated Homer's startup |
| [17:55:03] | kisak: | no, microsoft is all about assimulating other companies techs |
| [17:55:03] | sphery: | (on The Simpsons :) |
| [17:55:18] | Seeker`: | compuglobalhypermeganet! |
| [17:55:34] | kisak: | I mean ... yes, microsoft is all about assimulating other companies techs |
| [17:55:50] | sphery: | hehe |
| [17:57:07] | RagingMind: | for being the OS giant that they are... their true specialty is in making decent mice that aren't too expensive |
| [17:57:23] | Seeker`: | Part of the reason I don't want to upgrade to 64 bit is because of all the screwing around to get remotes / ambiligh working properly |
| [17:57:33] | jams: | and keyboards..i like their keyboards |
| [17:58:01] | kisak: | well, do you think that swapping out the GT240 for a 8600GTS should rule out the video card as the cause of my missing text in the Recording Details screen |
| [17:58:37] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt make any difference |
| [17:58:45] | sphery: | RagingMind: Yeah, I actually like their keyboards/mice... I prefer Logitech, but that's more just prejudice than anything. Oh, and I have to admit that the billions they spent on XBox 360/XBox Live have actually made for a nice platform. |
| [17:58:47] | wagnerrp: | unless the 8600 is somehow damaged |
| [17:59:05] | kisak: | it's using the GT 240 |
| [18:00:10] | kisak: | I'm running out of ideas to try, so I'm trying to narrow the scope of the problem |
| [18:01:42] | kisak: | and yes actually, the 8600GTS has stability problems, but that's under load, there shouldn't be enough load rendering menus |
| [18:03:38] | sphery: | kisak: missing text in recording details... what text? using non-latin (or non-ascii, even?) characters? |
| [18:04:04] | kisak: | I forgot ... I already factored the video card out by running the frontend over ssh |
| [18:04:31] | sphery: | recording details (assuming you mean in mythfrontend, which sounds like a reasonable assumption since we're talking video cards, which wouldn't impact MythWeb), is actually an HTML page in a WebKit UI element |
| [18:05:27] | kisak: | all text except the "Program Details:" title, regular latin ascii characters |
| [18:05:45] | sphery: | broken theme, possibly? |
| [18:06:28] | kisak: | it's mythcenter-wide (the v1.5 I think) |
| [18:07:13] | kisak: | I md5sum compared /usr/share/mythtv/themes/MythCenter-wide/schedule-ui.xml to a working client and they matched |
| [18:07:40] | sphery: | what happens when you: sudo mv /usr/share/mythtv/themes/MythCenter-wide/htmls{-disabled} |
| [18:07:43] | sphery: | then restart mythfrontend |
| [18:09:07] | sphery: | er, sudo mv /usr/share/mythtv/themes/MythCenter-wide/htmls{,-disabled} |
| [18:09:34] | kisak: | I got the idea you were conveying |
| [18:09:50] | kisak: | the text renders |
| [18:10:02] | sphery: | so it sounds like either your MythCenter-wide install is bad |
| [18:10:06] | sphery: | or MythCenter-wide is broken |
| [18:10:36] | sphery: | wanna compare those files to: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/ . . . r-wide/htmls |
| [18:10:51] | kisak: | so the solution is to rename MythCenter-wide folder, then use the theme chooser? |
| [18:11:26] | sphery: | MythCenter-wide is installed in system dirs (since it's a "prepackaged" theme)... Not sure if we have it on the download site (but don't think it's there) |
| [18:11:29] | kisak: | I can compare to a working frontend |
| [18:11:57] | sphery: | a re-install of the package that installed mythtv (and, therefore, MythCenter-wide theme) should fix it if it's local corruption |
| [18:12:08] | sphery: | (possibly deleting old MythCenter-wide directory first) |
| [18:12:29] | kisak: | this issue has prolonged over serveral updates |
| [18:12:36] | kisak: | stupid typo fairy |
| [18:13:30] | sphery: | anyway, glad it's a "simple" software issue (and not hardware)... easier to deal with (and probably cheaper), and means we don't have a problem that could get as complex as the whole OpenGL painter issue (which depends on hardware and drivers doing the right thing) |
| [18:14:25] | sphery: | you can download the "official" versions of the files at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/raw/master/m . . . s_page1.html and https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/raw/master/m . . . s_page2.html and diff them against yours |
| [18:14:44] | kisak: | the md5sum between the progdetails_page1.html (and page2) match |
| [18:14:52] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [18:16:11] | sphery: | and, at least page 1, looks identical to default's: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . s_page1.html |
| [18:17:18] | sphery: | except for colors... |
| [18:18:05] | sphery: | same with page 2 |
| [18:18:25] | sphery: | this is master/0.25rc1, right? |
| [18:18:26] | kisak: | argh, I tested with the wrong mythfrontend |
| [18:18:30] | sphery: | (not 0.24-fixes) |
| [18:18:33] | sphery: | ohhh |
| [18:18:46] | kisak: | yes, it is 0.25rc |
| [18:19:14] | kisak: | I hate it when the one mythfrontend forces itself to be in front of the other mythfrontend window |
| [18:19:49] | sphery: | hehe |
| [18:20:16] | sphery: | kind of like how Windows 7 insists on popping up modal dialog boxes underneath the application you're working in |
| [18:20:40] | sphery: | (amazing how many family/friends keep thinking their app is locking up when a print dialog or something pops up behind it) |
| [18:21:24] | ** lis0r dislikes the way she can't have mythfrontend on her mac be a windowed app ** | |
| [18:21:31] | sphery: | and when they keep clicking in the app window (not the dialog), eventually Windows says the app is no longer responding, which makes them think that's the case |
| [18:21:58] | sphery: | lis0r: did you change the setting? or is that one that's forced on the Mac OS X build? |
| [18:22:16] | lis0r: | sphery: seems to be forced, as far as I could tell |
| [18:22:47] | sphery: | so, the "Use window border: Toggles between windowed and borderless operation." setting does nothing? |
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| [18:25:34] | kisak: | so, I relocated the MythCenter-wide theme, restarted mythfrontend, downloaded the theme, and had to restart again in order for the theme to load up, the problem remains |
| [18:26:14] | kisak: | let's try another theme and see what happens |
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| [18:26:42] | lis0r: | sphery: appears to make a window the size of the desktop, which makes the menubar go retarded, and isn't resizable, at least in the menus |
| [18:27:39] | sphery: | lis0r: you would also need to set the height/width to non-zero (=not full screen) |
| [18:27:51] | sphery: | same area of Appearance settings |
| [18:27:57] | sphery: | and can set the X/Y offset |
| [18:28:14] | kisak: | does not render with MythCenter or Terra |
| [18:28:25] | sphery: | and note that it's not likely to work if you use the handle to change the size of the window |
| [18:28:41] | sphery: | meaning you have to set width/height explicitly |
| [18:28:49] | sphery: | or you can use a -geometry override |
| [18:29:02] | kisak: | sphery: hmm ... so the next step is to purge all caches, right? |
| [18:29:07] | lis0r: | hmm, thanks, that's a mildly better experience |
| [18:29:19] | sphery: | kisak: yeah, that makes sense... ~/.mythtv/*cache |
| [18:29:53] | sphery: | lis0r: and if you don't set X/Y offset, window will keep popping back to where it thinks it should be--i.e. after playback and such |
| [18:30:24] | lis0r: | where it thinks it should be being where it was before? |
| [18:30:45] | sourchimp: | running unbuntu server 12.04 beta with mythtv-backend which is hogging cpu , frontend is choppy. it keeps speeding up video and sound chipmunk style....has system requirements changed? |
| [18:30:57] | sphery: | yeah, the X/Y offset that's specified is where it thinks it should be |
| [18:30:59] | sphery: | likely 0/0 |
| [18:31:12] | kisak: | sphery: no effect |
| [18:31:15] | sphery: | (meaning it will pop back to upper left corner frequently) |
| [18:31:23] | sphery: | well, that requires a restart |
| [18:31:38] | sphery: | and may not work on mac os x (if it ignores window requests) |
| [18:31:53] | sphery: | but if it doesn't work on mac os x, it will stay where you want |
| [18:31:58] | sphery: | (where you drag it) |
| [18:32:01] | lis0r: | oh no, it works, it puts the window off the top, making it pretty difficult to grab the title bar to move it |
| [18:34:16] | kisak: | sphery: the part I don't understand is how Program Details is affected and nothing else has a problem in near-identical setups |
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| [18:36:50] | kisak: | I have 2 frontends that are the same proc/mobo/ram/case/distro, that only differs with the video card, display, and when the distro was originally put on the system |
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| [18:41:48] | sphery: | kisak: nost sure... |
| [18:41:59] | sphery: | program details is special, though, because it's using webkit/html |
| [18:42:08] | sphery: | almost the only thing in mythtv core that does |
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| [18:44:21] | RagingMind: | curious... any special reason it's done that way? |
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| [18:47:52] | sphery: | RagingMind: primarily because it was easier than allowing it to be fully themed by the themer |
| [18:48:24] | sphery: | I hope to eventually make a mythui version of it (to either replace or allow themer to use instead of the html one) |
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| [19:07:23] | justinh: | sphery: be interested to know how you do it if you do. IIRC the main reason for webkit was it'd be a bit of a cow to make textareas so flexible. Though by now it's probable mythui has everything you'd need |
| [19:10:04] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, I haven't actually looked at code for doing it and would have to learn all sorts of mythui to do it, but I think it would be nice--and allow things like statetypes and such rather than just plain text |
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| [19:18:59] | kisak: | sphery: well, I've gotten to the point of brute force, I'm recompiling everything on the frontend |
| [19:19:16] | kisak: | 750 packages to go |
| [19:20:04] | kisak: | if there's something wrong with the dependancies, hopefully this will bang out the kinks |
| [19:21:14] | sphery: | all for just the program details? |
| [19:21:29] | sphery: | anyway, hope you figure it out |
| [19:21:32] | sphery: | I'm out of ideas |
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| [19:24:01] | kisak: | sphery: it's not the first webkit-related problem I've encountered in the last week |
| [19:26:09] | kisak: | on amd64 stable gentoo, if you're not running a KDE system, then mythtv pulls in qt-webkit, which in turn pulls in qt-phonon. If qt-phonon is on your system and you go to emerge anything that uses kdelibs, then it refuses to continue |
| [19:26:27] | kisak: | (caused by mythtv, not mythtv's fault) |
| [19:27:54] | kisak: | the solution is that the next version of qt-webkit does not depend on qt-phonon, making it so that the scenario can not occur unless it is intentional |
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| [19:46:46] | sphery: | kisak: nice... wasn't sure what the plan was for phonon, but I'm 99.9999% positive it's why YouTube doesn't work on MythNetvision for me |
| [19:47:26] | sphery: | perhaps if I can do a Qt/Qt-WebKit without Phonon, Adobe Flash will work properly everywhere |
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| [19:59:51] | rumblebumble: | Looks like I am going back to firewire. I used firewire years ago and I found that I had to be very selective about my firewire chipset. I am just trying to determine what would be the best chipset to buy? I remember than TI, LSI and NEC used to be good (and via sucked). I noticed that there were TI card with both 1394a and 1394b, does hocking up to a 1394b have a negative effect with regards to stability. |
| [20:01:11] | rumblebumble: | I was also reading that TI had a buffering issue? Is this still a problem? |
| [20:06:40] | justinh: | OMG. A friend of mine on twitter is new to bluray & is commenting that a disc he's trying to play has so far a) streamed trailers from the internet and b) shown more than 10 mins of unskippable adverts/trailers. That'll be me put off for life then |
| [20:07:05] | sphery: | BluRay is so evil (as was HD-DVD) |
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| [20:07:20] | justinh: | although if it's anything like DVD was, el-cheapo players will be just enough out-of-spec to be nice |
| [20:08:07] | sphery: | I'm actually wondering what Ultraviolet is like, to the point of considering buying a disc + UV--just so I can know whether to hate it on more than just "not usable on GNU/Linux" principle |
| [20:08:29] | justinh: | mind, it'd pretty plain that I couldn't be patient enough to put up with even a modern BD player |
| [20:08:39] | sphery: | I'm actually thinking it sounds like UV is less evil than BluRay |
| [20:08:49] | justinh: | heh I was just reading about UV |
| [20:09:01] | sphery: | yeah, I couldn't handle 10mins of unskippable ads |
| [20:09:24] | sphery: | I find the FBI warning on DVDs annoying enough--and that's like 5s |
| [20:09:45] | wagnerrp: | you know what that means... time to start storing them on hard drive |
| [20:09:59] | sphery: | maybe 10s of unskippable if they also do a non-US one (Interpol or ??? Forgot whose name is on that one) |
| [20:10:28] | justinh: | Disney DVD is bad for unskippable stuff apparently |
| [20:10:42] | sphery: | hehe, but what good is that since no legal players can play them after storing on HDD |
| [20:10:57] | ** sphery thinks wagnerrp may be trying to incite him to commit a felony ** | |
| [20:11:11] | wagnerrp: | you would at least think they could make the things time limited |
| [20:11:23] | wagnerrp: | so youre not having ads for movies that havent been in theaters for five years |
| [20:11:40] | justinh: | I think it's in the spec to make things that way with a cookie type affair |
| [20:12:01] | justinh: | but is anybody doing it? hur hur |
| [20:12:18] | wagnerrp: | cookie? how would you store a cookie on a bluray player? |
| [20:12:20] | sphery: | yeah, if it does a 10min unskippable ad for "upcoming" movies and it's still unskippable after they're released, that would be enough to make me consider throwing the BluRay--tied to a concrete block--through the studio's office windows |
| [20:12:29] | justinh: | yeah anyway, dead easy to set the 'do not skip' flag on dvd chapters |
| [20:12:41] | ** sphery is selective in exactly which felonies he's willing to commit ** | |
| [20:13:08] | justinh: | and dead easy to get some 'NeoVideo' DVD player which lets you skip em anyway :-) |
| [20:13:11] | ** wagnerrp doesnt consider it a valid law until someone is prosecuted for it ** | |
| [20:13:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think the bluray player has some non-volatile memory on board for things like that |
| [20:13:44] | justinh: | not that anybody can look at the spec for free.. |
| [20:14:28] | ** wagnerrp knows no one will ever be prosecuted for it, due to the absolute media sh** storm it would produce and collapse their entire legal foundation ** | |
| [20:15:38] | sphery: | yeah, I doubt there will ever be more than a token case or 2--and those will almost definitely be settled out of court |
| [20:15:46] | justinh: | UV seems way too good to be true |
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| [20:16:00] | wagnerrp: | screw that, i would take it to court |
| [20:16:03] | sphery: | but I absolutely hate having laws on the books that people seem to think they're allowed to ignore |
| [20:16:22] | wagnerrp: | i would pay good money in donation to the defense of any individual taking that to court |
| [20:16:41] | sphery: | justinh: but no GNU/Linux support because of the UV DRM |
| [20:17:16] | sphery: | (at least not on "open" GNU/Linux platforms, like desktop systems based on GNU/Linux distros, versus closed ones like Android on some phone or tablet) |
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| [20:18:02] | sphery: | and, yes, I'm saying Android is closed... You can't do DRM stuff on Android if you jailbreak your system (such as NetFlix streaming and, I'm sure, UV)--at least starting with Android 4.x |
| [20:18:22] | justinh: | sphery: said before, I don't care whether it's open or not if it just works (TM) |
| [20:18:40] | sphery: | right... but it would be nice if it just worked on the systems I run |
| [20:18:48] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, the DMCA circumvention stuff for purchased content is something worth elevating to the supreme court |
| [20:18:55] | wagnerrp: | im honestly surprised it hasnt been |
| [20:19:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: when I make my first billion, I'll pay the legal expenses to help you do that |
| [20:19:50] | wagnerrp: | i guess you need a criminal case on the ballot to do so, and since there has never been one, there has been nothing to elevate to that level |
| [20:21:10] | sphery: | I just don't get the "just remap keys in (all your) media player applications (on all your computers)" approach to solving the "LIRC is too complex for me to configure once and forget" problem |
| [20:21:45] | sphery: | hey, why doesn't <media player> work properly on this LiveCD? Oh, I jsut need to reconfigure all the keys the way I learned them after I changed all the defaults on my own systems |
| [20:22:44] | sphery: | 30 minutes later, OK, now to watch this 3min video clip |
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| [20:24:20] | sphery: | not to mention the issue of using different keys for different remotes on different systems in your house because you have no "first-layer" abstraction of button position to button name |
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| [20:25:43] | Seeker`: | I tend to just back up my blu rays on to my mythtv backend, which happens to not include adverts |
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| [20:36:04] | justinh: | we miss the convenience of just putting a disc in & playing it.. like if somebody brings it |
| [20:37:21] | justinh: | last time a visitor here brought a DVD to watch I had a choice. Remove the perspex from the front of the TV unit (rendering the hardware un-toddler proof) or rip the disc |
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| [20:40:12] | justinh: | it was a crap movie anyway. the Hangover Part 2 |
| [20:40:38] | Seeker`: | heh |
| [20:41:00] | Seeker`: | wow, they've cut a lot out of S2 of Game of Thrones |
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| [21:25:32] | DeviceZer0: | so...im still having huge issues with mythfrontend segfaulting.....im unable to watch tv right because it just segfaults. http://pastebin.com/6fu77WuM |
| [21:26:18] | DeviceZer0: | it also sometimes segfaults when starting mythfrontend |
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| [21:27:04] | DeviceZer0: | I'd love to just get this working so I can count on the frontend starting and working |
| [21:27:55] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: try 0.25 in a few hours (or current master, which will become 0.25-fixes soon)? |
| [21:28:39] | DeviceZer0: | well the only thing holding me back is some of my roomates use xbmc for their media setup and currently that only supports upto 0.24 |
| [21:28:54] | wagnerrp: | how are you getting into livetv so fast? |
| [21:28:55] | DeviceZer0: | Id love to make the switch |
| [21:29:03] | DeviceZer0: | so fast? |
| [21:29:18] | DeviceZer0: | I start frontend...hit up 2 times then enter hehe |
| [21:29:47] | wagnerrp: | 4 seconds from initial run to playback start |
| [21:30:12] | wagnerrp: | i was wondering if maybe you were using some jumppoint |
| [21:30:22] | DeviceZer0: | ah. |
| [21:30:24] | DeviceZer0: | nope |
| [21:30:51] | DeviceZer0: | hmm...now livetv starts...but only with sound |
| [21:30:58] | DeviceZer0: | and a black screen.... |
| [21:31:19] | stuartm: | there is a livetv jumppoint, and some people have been known to run the frontend with "--jumppoint LiveTV" to start in livetv |
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| [21:31:48] | DeviceZer0: | http://pastebin.com/Q8S932zf |
| [21:32:10] | DeviceZer0: | oh. I never knew that...but I'm not using a jump poing |
| [21:32:42] | DeviceZer0: | So now it didnt segfault...but I have no video just audio :( |
| [21:33:00] | stuartm: | "for 0x3a00003 (MythTV Fro)" what's that about ... |
| [21:33:22] | wagnerrp: | he gave it a hairdo |
| [21:33:29] | wagnerrp: | with a greasy sheen |
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| [21:33:46] | DeviceZer0: | stuartm, thats actually output from gnome-shell |
| [21:34:29] | DeviceZer0: | stuartm, I did a gnome-shell --replace to restart gnome-shell in the same terminal I ran mythfrontend from....and its outputting some stuff. |
| [21:35:06] | stuartm: | DeviceZer0: what country are you in? I notice it's starting the mheg engine, which shouldn't segfault, but it also shouldn't need enabling unless you're in the UK, NZ or HK |
| [21:35:36] | DeviceZer0: | another segfault when starting livetv: http://pastebin.com/aJs1JDLw |
| [21:35:43] | DeviceZer0: | I'm usa |
| [21:35:50] | DeviceZer0: | using a hdhr prime |
| [21:36:17] | stuartm: | DeviceZer0: anyhow, for a segfault we need a backtrace, the log just doesn't tell us enough about why it's crashing, just a rough guide to when |
| [21:36:38] | DeviceZer0: | hmm |
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| [21:36:47] | DeviceZer0: | thats where I kinda get lost as I dont know much |
| [21:36:51] | stuartm: | DeviceZer0: might as well disable it then, under OSD/Playback settings, it's not going to do anything useful in the USA |
| [21:36:56] | DeviceZer0: | hmm |
| [21:37:07] | DeviceZer0: | ok let me see about finding the mheg??? setting |
| [21:37:09] | stuartm: | it's disabled by default for US users |
| [21:37:16] | stuartm: | aka Interactive TV |
| [21:37:52] | DeviceZer0: | dammn....frontend is just segfaulting when I start it now...let me try a few times....after a few attempts it usually will start |
| [21:38:45] | stuartm: | DeviceZer0: hmm, I wonder if the problem is elsewhere, i.e. memory issues or a dodgy video driver |
| [21:39:06] | DeviceZer0: | ram is good I tested it a few days ago |
| [21:39:18] | DeviceZer0: | ran memtest for like ~30 hours |
| [21:39:43] | DeviceZer0: | video driver....possible. Its a gt7800 card with the nvidia driver |
| [21:40:02] | stuartm: | !backtrace |
| [21:40:12] | stuartm: | huh, BacktraceHowto |
| [21:40:37] | DeviceZer0: | "enable interactive tv" is *unchecked* |
| [21:40:47] | stuartm: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [21:40:50] | DeviceZer0: | shall I check/uncheck it? |
| [21:41:08] | DeviceZer0: | but its def showing as unchecked right now |
| [21:41:17] | stuartm: | DeviceZer0: in that case leave it alone, the snippet in the log is probably a red herring |
| [21:42:18] | DeviceZer0: | ok ill recompile now with that |
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| [21:45:22] | mwm82: | Hey, I apologize for asking |
| [21:45:43] | mwm82: | But what is the status of the 0.25 drop today? |
| [21:45:58] | wagnerrp: | still planned |
| [21:46:27] | mwm82: | I idled for 4 hours but couldnt see any replies :( |
| [21:46:46] | mwm82: | Ok, sweet. Thanks! |
| [21:51:49] | DeviceZer0: | ok running with debug on now |
| [21:52:37] | DeviceZer0: | following the directoins from that link...after exiting mythfrontend I'm now at a gbd prompt....do I need to do anything here? |
| [21:52:39] | stuartm: | DeviceZer0: don't miss the step about running gdb and/or enabling core dumps |
| [21:52:49] | stuartm: | DeviceZer0: type 'run' |
| [21:53:13] | DeviceZer0: | stuartm, I made the gdbcommands file and ran mythfrontend like: gdb mythfrontend -x gdbcommands |
| [21:53:29] | stuartm: | it should run automatically though, so I'm not sure what's up there |
| [21:54:01] | DeviceZer0: | it did |
| [21:54:13] | stuartm: | DeviceZer0: oh, this is after it crashes? |
| [21:54:25] | DeviceZer0: | but AFTER running mfe and exiting mfe....i end up at the gdb prompt |
| [21:54:30] | DeviceZer0: | it did not segfault this time |
| [21:54:51] | DeviceZer0: | it did however start livetv with a blank black screen with audio |
| [21:55:02] | DeviceZer0: | not sure if that can be debugged from this as well |
| [21:55:03] | stuartm: | DeviceZer0: ok, just type exit to exit |
| [21:55:16] | stuartm: | DeviceZer0: you need it to crash ideally |
| [21:55:34] | stuartm: | sorry, make that quit instead of exit |
| [21:55:41] | DeviceZer0: | hmm |
| [21:55:42] | DeviceZer0: | ah |
| [21:55:56] | DeviceZer0: | hmm |
| [21:56:08] | DeviceZer0: | the log it created seems to be just the normal output |
| [21:56:54] | DeviceZer0: | http://fpaste.org/c3ww/ |
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| [21:59:55] | stuartm: | DeviceZer0: it's not going to report anything unless it crashes, at which time it will print to the gdb prompt something looking like this – http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket . . . acktrace.txt |
| [22:00:34] | DeviceZer0: | ah ok |
| [22:00:52] | DeviceZer0: | let me see if I can get it to crash....knowing my luck its gonna work fine now lol |
| [22:04:00] | DeviceZer0: | ugh lol. of course its not doing it now |
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| [22:20:15] | Beirdo: | Note to all: if you have a spare bttv framegrabber around that you no longer want, I'm looking at trying some FM stuff and could use one :) |
| [22:21:20] | RagingMind: | just a frame grabber or one with FM radio built in? |
| [22:21:31] | Beirdo: | one with FM radio |
| [22:21:56] | RagingMind: | I wish either of mine had radio |
| [22:21:57] | wagnerrp: | are you actually going to keep it as a bttv framegrabber? or are you going to rip apart the board to get at the chip? |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | I have an FM radio USB stick to play with already, but since many framegrabbers also had it.. |
| [22:22:10] | Beirdo: | it will be kept intact |
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| [22:23:55] | Beirdo: | unfortunately, the FM tuner capability in the HVR2250 isn't there yet for Linux, so not much I can do with that :) |
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| [22:41:16] | stuartm: | any fm drivers offering features like RDS? |
| [22:41:58] | wagnerrp: | RDS? |
| [22:42:07] | stuartm: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System |
| [22:43:09] | wagnerrp: | just a guess on what bei rdo has planned, i think hes going to make the bttv radio support it |
| [22:43:15] | stuartm: | the stuff used by car radios etc to display the station name, or automatically switch to another station for an important news announcement |
| [22:44:27] | wagnerrp: | man, if only they had stuff like that for ATSC |
| [22:44:49] | wagnerrp: | so i could ignore it and continue on with the recording |
| [22:45:01] | wagnerrp: | while all the live users would get their timely news and weather warnings |
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| [22:54:09] | Beirdo: | stuartm: yes |
| [22:54:19] | Beirdo: | my USB stick does RDS :) |
| [22:54:43] | Beirdo: | si4103 chip (I think was the number) |
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| [22:56:08] | RagingMind: | I kinda want a radioshark for on top of my tv... |
| [22:57:29] | Beirdo: | just a fricking shark.... |
| [23:01:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: my local ABC station has started scaling the show to (literally) about 1/8th the screen area, then including the news guy/weather guy at 1/4th the screen area and having a huge red background on the rest of the screen with a large title... it's getting /so/ bad, anymore |
| [23:02:03] | sphery: | it's such a waste of space |
| [23:02:25] | sphery: | it's good that I have a 68" TV, otherwise, I wouldn't even realize there's video in the little boxes inside the red background |
| [23:02:54] | sphery: | (actually, news guy is less than 1/4th screen... probably more like 1/6th) |
| [23:03:05] | stuartm: | people obviously tolerate it otherwise they wouldn't keep doing it |
| [23:03:16] | wagnerrp: | the weather guy, is he pregnant? |
| [23:03:20] | sphery: | tolerate through powerlessness? |
| [23:03:48] | sphery: | hehe, I mean the video of the news guy is less than 1/4 screen... :) |
| [23:04:38] | wagnerrp: | so the pregnant weather guy would be like a 1/3rd? |
| [23:04:54] | sphery: | hehe, he's not pregnant |
| [23:05:03] | stuartm: | perhaps because we're not used to that sort of thing even banners advertising the next programme which have started appearing recently have drawn huge numbers of complaints, although sadly broadcasters live in their own little world and think that despite the high volume of complaints the world would end if viewers aren't told what to watch next |
| [23:05:03] | wagnerrp: | sure he is, its just not showing yet |
| [23:05:07] | sphery: | nor taking up a significant part of the screen |
| [23:05:39] | stuartm: | this is despite every single STB featuring a browse mode and programme guide which shows exactly what is on now and next |
| [23:05:47] | wagnerrp: | all television meteorologists are pregnant |
| [23:05:52] | wagnerrp: | start watching for it |
| [23:06:04] | Beirdo: | sorry, si4703 |
| [23:06:08] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, those are annoying, too... but since we've been living with them for years (and I can generally still figure out my show behind them), they seem acceptable to me, now |
| [23:06:16] | sphery: | too bad I've grown accustomed to them :( |
| [23:06:17] | wagnerrp: | its far more common than statistics would otherwise expect |
| [23:06:21] | stuartm: | sphery: broadcasters have no post address or phone numbers where complaints can be made? |
| [23:06:38] | sphery: | I suppose they do |
| [23:06:54] | stuartm: | anything which pops up over the picture, even the DOGs really piss me off |
| [23:07:04] | sphery: | I guess maybe the problem is I just /feel/ powerless, so I don't do anything (even a letter) |
| [23:08:09] | sphery: | the only bright side is the frequency with which they mess up shows, here (in my area, at least--some markets around the US do better), means that I have no incentive to archive shows I record |
| [23:09:09] | Beirdo: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Radio_Data_System_(RDS) |
| [23:09:13] | sphery: | so I end up just buying the ones I want to keep on DVD (which means I'm not in violation of copyright laws, which allow DVRs to be used for time-shifting, but not keeping forever) |
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| [23:09:20] | Beirdo: | seems several of the drivers support it |
| [23:09:51] | sphery: | though, as discussed earlier, that's another case where no one is likely to ever be prosecuted, so even if I did violate the rules... |
| [23:09:55] | Beirdo: | although they may need some tweaking... |
| [23:10:42] | sphery: | you can't spell Beirdos without RDS... coincidence? |
| [23:10:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [23:13:51] | wagnerrp: | so one beirdo can handle radio data, but multiple can manage a service? |
| [23:14:03] | wagnerrp: | multiple beirdos... |
| [23:14:06] | ** wagnerrp shudders ** | |
| [23:14:17] | sphery: | hehe |
| [23:14:24] | Beirdo: | that would be ... awesome. |
| [23:14:34] | Beirdo: | I could send one to work, and stay home |
| [23:14:46] | wagnerrp: | crazy beard, everywhere you look |
| [23:15:36] | Beirdo: | you bet! |
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| [23:25:34] | DeviceZer0: | does compiling myth with debug change how the mfe starts? Since compiling with debug...ive tried prob 20 times to make it crash and it wont lol. Before I coudlnt even get it to start |
| [23:26:02] | wagnerrp: | it could change timing, which would preclude a race condition from triggering |
| [23:26:49] | DeviceZer0: | it does seem semi slower starting....its just frustraiting that its not doing it and I cant get a stacktrace lol |
| [23:27:17] | DeviceZer0: | but it does still sometimes produce only a black screen with audio when going to livetv |
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| [23:44:38] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: debug disables some optimizations... if you compile as a profile build, it's basically a "release" build (the one that was crashing) with symbols not stripped... try that and see if you can catch it |
| [23:45:35] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: some discussion at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Installi . . . _from_Source |
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