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| [00:04:46] | xrdodrx: | Got audio!! |
| [00:04:52] | xrdodrx: | The video is messed up though |
| [00:05:00] | xrdodrx: | but the colors are *almost* right |
| [00:05:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | maybe the card is setup for PAL instead of NTSC? humm... |
| [00:05:36] | xrdodrx: | I did v4l2-ctl -s ntsc |
| [00:05:41] | xrdodrx: | http://i.imgur.com/SV9ib.png |
| [00:05:44] | xrdodrx: | is my new picture |
| [00:05:51] | xrdodrx: | the top half are the right colors of the show |
| [00:06:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | yeah, something's not right... |
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| [00:06:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | 'obviously' |
| [00:09:26] | xrdodrx: | J-e-f-f-A, http://i.imgur.com/wpQZS.png |
| [00:09:31] | xrdodrx: | me looking at the guide |
| [00:09:33] | xrdodrx: | lol |
| [00:10:31] | rileyp: | looks like my bed quilt I had when I was 12 |
| [00:10:39] | xrdodrx: | the audio is fine |
| [00:10:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | It's got to be tuning the wrong channel or something... Which video device are you pointing mplayer to? / |
| [00:10:50] | xrdodrx: | please, I'm so close I can taste it. ;_; What am I doing wrong |
| [00:10:56] | xrdodrx: | /dev/video0 |
| [00:11:40] | rileyp: | In 1982 lol |
| [00:11:58] | xrdodrx: | http://pastebin.com/gBfpgALL |
| [00:12:03] | xrdodrx: | v4l2-ctl --all |
| [00:12:08] | xrdodrx: | Also, look at that URL. ALL. |
| [00:12:09] | xrdodrx: | Wow. |
| [00:12:14] | xrdodrx: | I did not plan that. |
| [00:12:21] | xrdodrx: | It's a sign |
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| [00:18:02] | xrdodrx: | Ooh! |
| [00:18:49] | xrdodrx: | I just got the bright idea to run it while mythtv is watching live Tv |
| [00:18:50] | xrdodrx: | http://pastebin.com/guxQN3YA |
| [00:19:00] | xrdodrx: | The output is different |
| [00:19:13] | xrdodrx: | Width/Height : 480/480 |
| [00:19:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Do you have 'ivtv-tune' on your system? |
| [00:19:38] | xrdodrx: | Yes |
| [00:19:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | If so, just try "ivtv-tune -c 3" |
| [00:19:53] | xrdodrx: | I've done that... |
| [00:20:00] | xrdodrx: | It's on the right channel, I can hear audio |
| [00:20:09] | xrdodrx: | ivtv-tune was one of the first things i did |
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| [00:21:08] | xrdodrx: | Nice, got it to work. |
| [00:21:30] | xrdodrx: | mythtv set the size right, now it displays perfectly in mplayer |
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| [00:21:56] | xrdodrx: | gotta remember those two magic commands: v4l2-ctl -s ntsc-M && v4l2-ctl -f 61.250 |
| [00:23:50] | xrdodrx: | http://i.imgur.com/imo41.png |
| [00:23:53] | xrdodrx: | :D |
| [00:23:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | it's likely one of the other settings that Myth initialized. The resolution should be 720x480 or 640x480 for best quality from SD material – although 480x480 looks pretty good on the Hauppauge PVRs – which is suprising. (judging from when I was running a SD setup, the difference to 640x480 was almost nothing) |
| [00:25:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: If you switched to a S-video cable and Analog audio (via ipod-like cable – RCA to 1/8" stereo), your picture quality would improve tremendously. |
| [00:26:12] | xrdodrx: | Alright! |
| [00:26:24] | xrdodrx: | I'm happy I got this to work, but I knew TV IN was silly. |
| [00:26:35] | xrdodrx: | Certainly you know the feeling of just wanting to make something work |
| [00:26:36] | xrdodrx: | ;) |
| [00:26:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and up the resolution to 720x480 – that would be the best quality you could get from an SD source. |
| [00:26:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | yep. ;-) |
| [00:26:55] | trumee_afk is now known as trumee | |
| [00:27:14] | Hydr0p0nX: | Hey, anyone have their install just stop recording and the scheduler say nothing is scheduled even when shows are scheduled to record? |
| [00:27:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | PS: Do you have a big HDD? Even SD recordings are likely to be 3–4GB/hr with the Hauppauge PVR. |
| [00:27:26] | xrdodrx: | J-e-f-f-A, 500GB |
| [00:27:38] | xrdodrx: | I have an i5 so I'll be encoding most things automatically |
| [00:27:45] | xrdodrx: | and moving them out |
| [00:28:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hydr0p0nX: sounds like you may have a broken table in your database. I run the 'optimize' script every day. |
| [00:28:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: If you don't intend to *keep* them, Myth will auto -expire stuff – so you can set it to keep a max of 10 episodes and 'expire old and record new'... that's what I do. |
| [00:30:38] | xrdodrx: | yeah, i'm a ittle familiar with myth, i used it with an antenna for a bit |
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| [00:31:23] | ** J-e-f-f-A still uses it with an Antenna, only now it's connected to two HDHRs... ;-) ** | |
| [00:32:46] | xrdodrx: | J-e-f-f-A, http://amzn.com/B000LMFS7M and http://amzn.com/B0002MQGK4 look good? |
| [00:39:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: Those should do the trick. ;-) I'm suprised the prices are really good – I was going to suggest going to 'monoprice.com', but those prices are excellent. |
| [00:40:57] | xrdodrx: | yeah, amazon is really competitive |
| [00:41:08] | xrdodrx: | alright, I'm off to eat dinner, read a book and fall asleep |
| [00:41:20] | xrdodrx: | Good night everyone, MythTV has a really nice community behind it :) |
| [00:41:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: btw, here's a picture I drew for a guy a while bhack – when he was going to use two SD DirecTV boxes and one HD with MythTV. http://jartz.goot.com:8008/files/mythtv/JRandolph_DirecTV.jpg |
| [00:41:42] | xrdodrx: | Firefox can't find the server at jartz.goot.com. ? |
| [00:41:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: btw, here's a picture I drew for a guy a while bhack – when he was going to use two SD DirecTV boxes and one HD with MythTV. http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/mythtv/JRandolph_DirecTV.jpg |
| [00:41:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops. |
| [00:42:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | fixed there ^ |
| [00:42:07] | xrdodrx: | heh |
| [00:42:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | just ignore the 2nd receiver and HD receiver/HD-PVR – but you get the idea. |
| [00:42:37] | xrdodrx: | I'm building mine up slowly ;) |
| [00:42:45] | xrdodrx: | IR blaster soon, once it gets here from the orient |
| [00:43:03] | xrdodrx: | Good wishes to all and to all a good night :D |
| [00:43:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah. I started with 2 Dish SD receivers, and now I have 2 FiOS HD receivers and 4 OTA HDtuners. ;-) ttyl |
| [00:44:04] | Hydr0p0nX: | ran the optimize script and still says no recordings scheduled |
| [00:44:11] | Hydr0p0nX: | restarted everything after |
| [00:44:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Are your listings up-to-date? Maybe your SD subscription ran out? |
| [00:44:48] | Hydr0p0nX: | I have listings for the next 2 weeks |
| [00:44:59] | Hydr0p0nX: | well, through 4/4 |
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| [00:45:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | so that should be fine. I dunno – any changes lately? |
| [00:45:44] | Hydr0p0nX: | haven't touched it since i got it working |
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| [00:46:14] | Hydr0p0nX: | recorded for about 2 weeks then around 3/8 this happened |
| [00:46:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | yikes, over 2 weeks ago? |
| [00:46:32] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea |
| [00:46:52] | Hydr0p0nX: | didn't check on it because it was working so well |
| [00:47:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Any os updates or myth updates? (I happen to have any auto-updating off myself...) |
| [00:47:10] | Hydr0p0nX: | and i had to do sys admin type stuff for work |
| [00:47:24] | Hydr0p0nX: | nope, the only update even available is an update to rpm package manager |
| [00:47:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Did you setup MythWeb? |
| [00:47:49] | Hydr0p0nX: | yep |
| [00:47:59] | Hydr0p0nX: | mythweb is what's reporting nothing scheduled |
| [00:48:08] | Hydr0p0nX: | and i have no recordings since 3/8 |
| [00:48:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Is it on the public internet, un-protected? |
| [00:48:25] | Hydr0p0nX: | nooo |
| [00:48:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok. ;-) |
| [00:48:46] | Hydr0p0nX: | i manage a dmz for a bank, i know better :) |
| [00:48:55] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ;-) ** | |
| [00:50:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, so your schedules show up on the "Recording Schedules" page, but nothing shows up on the "Upcoming Recordings" page? |
| [00:51:08] | Hydr0p0nX: | right |
| [00:52:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Do you have an episode limit configured for the recordings? |
| [00:52:31] | Hydr0p0nX: | set to 0 |
| [00:52:41] | Hydr0p0nX: | tried blank, and 5 also |
| [00:53:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | Do you have "Auto-expire recordings" enabled? How's your HDD space look? |
| [00:54:07] | Hydr0p0nX: | 3.3 TB available |
| [00:54:21] | Hydr0p0nX: | tried with auto-expire enabled and disabled |
| [00:54:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Most of my recording rules are setup for [X]Auto-expire recordings [X]REcord new and expire old and Number of recordings to keep: [ 10 ] |
| [00:55:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | But... that doesn't sound like the problem you're having... |
| [00:55:54] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea |
| [00:55:57] | Hydr0p0nX: | it's really strange |
| [00:56:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm not the best person for scheduling stuff – I had to get help from a guy in FL last time. ;-) hehehe |
| [00:56:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | You didn't fiddle around in mysql changing things, did you? |
| [00:56:59] | Hydr0p0nX: | nooo |
| [00:57:29] | Hydr0p0nX: | all i've done with this is login and run nuvexport to convert video |
| [00:58:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm.... |
| [01:01:05] | Hydr0p0nX: | i can start the frontend and watch livetv so i know it's not a problem with the card |
| [01:01:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hydr0p0nX: Sorry, I'm at a loss... You didn't change anything at the S.D. site, did you? |
| [01:01:54] | Hydr0p0nX: | s.d . site? |
| [01:02:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Schedules Direct. ;-) |
| [01:02:06] | Hydr0p0nX: | nope |
| [01:02:45] | Hydr0p0nX: | sorry, it can stand for so many things with myth lol |
| [01:03:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm... You'll probably have to work with someone who knows the scheduler better than, and it appears there's nobody here right now. (It is Friday night after all, and even my son is telling me "Let's go do something"...) ;-) |
| [01:04:51] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea, i'm doing a migration so i figure, what better time to ask ? |
| [01:04:52] | Hydr0p0nX: | lol |
| [01:06:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | In Mythweb, if you click on one of your recording schedules, what does it say for "MythTV Status"? |
| [01:07:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | And how about if you then scroll down, and click on "Find other showings fthis program" – does it show future listings? |
| [01:09:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Or better yet – in the "Upcoming Recordings" page – check off al the "Display:" boxes, and make sure the drop-down is "All Titles" – does it show them as 'duplicate' or "Recorded", etc? |
| [01:10:37] | Hydr0p0nX: | nope, doesn't show any of them |
| [01:11:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... so go back to the Recording schedule – and then "Find other showings of this program" – still nothing? |
| [01:11:40] | Hydr0p0nX: | if i click the title, then title again, i see the next 4 or 5 showings |
| [01:12:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Are they highlighted in gree, or dashed or not highlighted at all? |
| [01:12:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | *green |
| [01:14:24] | Hydr0p0nX: | not highlighted |
| [01:14:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, so they didn't match the schedule for some reason.... why... humm. |
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| [01:19:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Can you get into mysql to do a select on the DB? |
| [01:20:17] | Hydr0p0nX: | of course |
| [01:21:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | do these, then pastebin the results – to check your capture card and source configuration... select cardid,videodevice,cardtype from capturecard; -and- select cardid,displayname,cardinputid,sourceid,inputname from cardinput; |
| [01:22:29] | Hydr0p0nX: | http://pastebin.com/Nz5D5F9q |
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| [01:27:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | So you have a HD-PVR – with a set-top-box, right? When did the DVB tuner come into play? |
| [01:27:17] | Hydr0p0nX: | naa, i just have coax in no tuner box |
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| [01:27:27] | Hydr0p0nX: | just have both interfaces |
| [01:27:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh wait... |
| [01:27:34] | Hydr0p0nX: | but i'm too cheap to pay the cable co :) |
| [01:27:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | then this is not setup right at all. |
| [01:28:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | So are you in the US or abroad? |
| [01:28:13] | Hydr0p0nX: | us |
| [01:28:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | wow... there's no way this would be working this way... |
| [01:28:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, so you have cable TV – just Analog service? |
| [01:28:54] | Hydr0p0nX: | yep |
| [01:29:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | What's your tuner? |
| [01:29:59] | Hydr0p0nX: | Hauppauge HVR-1600 |
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| [01:30:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, that can do both Analog and Digital – were you doing Clear QAM [digital] on your cable feed, or just Analog? |
| [01:30:56] | Hydr0p0nX: | qam |
| [01:31:14] | Hydr0p0nX: | like i said, i can watch livetv with the frontend |
| [01:32:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... Live TV may not care about listings, but scheduling certainly does. And your tuner (cardid 4) does not have a 'cardinput' mapped to it. |
| [01:32:48] | Hydr0p0nX: | that is the hd tuner |
| [01:32:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | And you've got a 2nd tuner defined (cardid 1) – a Hauppauge HD-PVR – which isn't tied to a cardinput. |
| [01:32:53] | Hydr0p0nX: | i'm not using the hd side |
| [01:33:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm... I think the card type is wrong – IIRC, it should be... [one sec...] |
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| [01:36:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | grr... What's it say in 'mythtv-setup' for this tuner type? |
| [01:38:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | yeah, I'm 99% sure that tuner is configured wrong – HDPVR is for the HD-PVR USB encoder... |
| [01:38:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | And if you're not using the Digital side, you're not doing clear QAM – you're just doing Analog – btw. ;-) |
| [01:40:09] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea, i disabled the qam side the other day to rule out a conflict |
| [01:40:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hydr0p0nX: – So in mythtv-setup – what's the card type for /dev/video0? Looks like it's set to HD-PVR – which is wrong. |
| [01:41:16] | Hydr0p0nX: | i have to use v4l for one interface |
| [01:41:22] | Hydr0p0nX: | that's why it looks that way |
| [01:41:37] | Hydr0p0nX: | i'll have to look in a little while since i'm doing this migration too |
| [01:41:45] | Hydr0p0nX: | not on the myth box at the moment, ssh'd in |
| [01:41:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | Right – that's the correct setting – but it's showing as HDPVR, not V4L or "MPEG" like mine does. |
| [01:44:29] | Hydr0p0nX: | it's always shown that way |
| [01:45:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hydr0p0nX: I think what you're going to have to do is this: 1) Backup your DB – 2) Delete all capturecards – 3) Re-create the capture card(s) – 4) re-map the Schedules Direct listing source to the capture card(s) |
| [01:46:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hydr0p0nX: But something is wrong – and that should not be defined as a HDPVR, that's a completely different device altogether than v4l. |
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| [01:57:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hydr0p0nX: I'd say 'delete all tuners', then re-create it with the instx on this page – and after mapping it to your Schedules Direct listing, it *should* start working again... |
| [01:57:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hydr0p0nX: oops, here's the link: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 |
| [01:58:14] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea, that's the one i used lol |
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| [01:59:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | Perhaps – but at the moment it looks like the Analog side is configured like it's a HD-PVR — which is totally wrong. Maybe it got accidentally changed 2 weeks ago? Did you drink a little bit too much one night? ;-) |
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| [02:02:19] | Hydr0p0nX: | naaa |
| [02:02:26] | Hydr0p0nX: | like i said, hadn't touched it lol |
| [02:02:32] | Hydr0p0nX: | i don't touch shit once it works |
| [02:14:56] | xtort-: | Hydr0p0nX, stfu\ |
| [02:39:23] | Hydr0p0nX: | lol |
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| [04:10:07] | sensesay1: | Hello All |
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| [04:15:45] | sensesay1: | I have been toying with the ideas of purchasing a hdhomerun Prime but I was worried about it working with mythtv. Has anyone already invested in this setup? |
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| [04:17:27] | wagnerrp: | who is your cable provider? |
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| [04:18:17] | sensesay1: | Crimecast I mean comcast |
| [04:18:35] | wagnerrp: | then you should do fine, for all but the premium channels |
| [04:19:12] | sensesay1: | Okay..... Do you have this setup? |
| [04:19:34] | wagnerrp: | no, but several others do |
| [04:20:00] | sensesay1: | okay, I just want to make sure that it wasn't a waste of money |
| [04:21:20] | wagnerrp: | note that the behavior is significantly improved in upcoming 0.25, as compared to current release 0.24 |
| [04:22:44] | sensesay1: | oh okay.. is there a beta on that? |
| [04:22:56] | sensesay1: | out there for testing |
| [04:23:15] | wagnerrp: | rc |
| [04:23:23] | RagingMind: | so... I've tried googling for an issue I'm having with live tv, but so far the results have not been helpful mostly because there are so many results. I'm getting "error opening jump program file" when I try to change channels |
| [04:23:33] | wagnerrp: | to be released in a little over a week |
| [04:23:42] | sensesay1: | Okay |
| [04:23:50] | wagnerrp: | RagingComputer: such issues are almost always in the backend |
| [04:23:56] | wagnerrp: | frontend logs wont tell you much |
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| [04:24:15] | sensesay1: | RaningMind What version are you runnning |
| [04:25:06] | RagingMind: | 0.24.2 |
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| [04:30:59] | RagingMind: | there's an error about a missing filters dir, 32000Hz not being in the list of allowed rates, "LoadFromScheduler(): Error, called from backend.", and a message that the recording already exists |
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| [04:38:34] | kisak: | awww... of only I needed another video card |
| [04:38:39] | kisak: | *if |
| [04:39:04] | kisak: | my video card is on sale again ... 460GTX for $90 after rebate |
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| [05:29:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: theres something serious wrong with that guy's scheduler runs |
| [05:30:05] | wagnerrp: | i mean theyre the exact opposite of what they should be |
| [05:30:18] | wagnerrp: | normal operation is a few fractions of a second for match |
| [05:30:30] | wagnerrp: | and several to tens of seconds for placing |
| [05:34:36] | sphery: | isn't match the heavy-on-the-db part? |
| [05:36:45] | sphery: | actually, I don't know which is what |
| [05:38:26] | wagnerrp: | no, the matching should take practically no time at all |
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| [05:39:37] | sphery: | right, with a working DB |
| [05:40:06] | sphery: | with a poorly-configured-such-that-db-access-is-hampered DB, though... |
| [05:40:11] | wagnerrp: | with even the most poorly optimized db, and barriers enabled |
| [05:40:25] | wagnerrp: | all it should be doing is loading the whole thing into memory, and searching |
| [05:40:36] | sphery: | (I'm talking about match being DB-heavy, not time-heavy) |
| [05:40:36] | wagnerrp: | and possible dumping into a temporary table, not sure on that one |
| [05:40:46] | sphery: | i.e. lots of work for mysql |
| [05:41:00] | wagnerrp: | but with only 55 matches, its not going to be writing much to the temporary table |
| [05:41:09] | wagnerrp: | certainly not enough to trigger a flush to disk |
| [05:41:12] | wagnerrp: | and problems with barriers |
| [05:41:30] | sphery: | at about temp table? |
| [05:41:59] | sphery: | it's quite likely there will be a temp table with some users' data (if they have very long descriptions) |
| [05:42:03] | wagnerrp: | im guessing the match loads results into a temp table |
| [05:42:36] | wagnerrp: | and then content in the temp table is further pruned and placed |
| [05:42:47] | sphery: | anyway, I don't know the details of the actual scheduler code |
| [05:43:09] | sphery: | I still have a feeling it's barriers, though |
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| [05:46:17] | ** wagnerrp wonders why hes not picking up the filesize from github any longer ** | |
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| [06:15:16] | wagnerrp: | damnit beirdo |
| [06:15:39] | wagnerrp: | here im trying to figure out why this thing keeps wanting to re-download the tarballs |
| [06:15:48] | wagnerrp: | i think ive finally got it fixed |
| [06:15:59] | wagnerrp: | so i give it a test and... wait, the file size has changed? |
| [06:16:06] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [06:16:23] | wagnerrp: | gah! someone just committed something a few minutes ago, so its bumped forward another revision |
| [06:16:25] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [06:16:29] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [06:16:35] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [06:18:08] | wagnerrp: | i swear, your timing on commits causes me more trouble than everyone else combined |
| [06:18:49] | Beirdo: | hheh |
| [06:18:58] | Beirdo: | sorry to be awake at the same time as you... |
| [06:19:10] | Beirdo: | which is what... 24h/day? :) |
| [06:19:26] | wagnerrp: | roughly |
| [06:21:29] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [06:21:49] | Beirdo: | if you hit h during playback of a recording... is that supposed to jump to liveTV? |
| [06:21:55] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/HLAHf4Sy |
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| [06:22:50] | Beirdo: | seems to be channel history? |
| [06:23:30] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [06:23:33] | Beirdo: | heh, sorry dude |
| [06:23:36] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [06:23:39] | Beirdo: | 'h' from playback |
| [06:23:43] | wagnerrp: | you mean "go back to previous channel"? |
| [06:23:54] | Beirdo: | I guess that could be it |
| [06:24:06] | wagnerrp: | well... it still is strangely broken |
| [06:24:07] | Beirdo: | trying to recreate #9412 |
| [06:24:16] | wagnerrp: | it just broke in new and amusing ways when there was a new commit |
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| [06:26:36] | wagnerrp: | bah, thats the problem, it hates me! |
| [06:26:56] | wagnerrp: | theres already a package of that name registered in the ebuild manifest |
| [06:27:10] | wagnerrp: | so when i re-digest, it says "whoops, something wrong" |
| [06:27:29] | wagnerrp: | and renames it with ._checksum_failure_.<some gibberish> |
| [06:27:46] | wagnerrp: | so when i go back a second time, there is no existing tarball |
| [06:27:58] | wagnerrp: | and it downloads it again, digests, and gets yet another checksum error |
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| [06:29:55] | wagnerrp: | i think i can fix this! |
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| [06:31:44] | sphery: | Beirdo: by default H = TV Playback/PREVCHAN, which goes to the previous channel in Live TV, but was extended by http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4434 / [15795] to make it work like JUMPPREV when playing back recordings |
| [06:31:44] | MythLogBot: | SVN 15795: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/0912c132 |
| [06:32:08] | sphery: | JUMPPREV = Jump to previously played recording |
| [06:32:16] | Beirdo: | umm, it jumps to livetv |
| [06:32:38] | sphery: | from recording to live tv? |
| [06:32:39] | Beirdo: | at least it does for me... and it doesn't crash |
| [06:32:41] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [06:32:44] | sphery: | if so, seems someone broke jumpprev |
| [06:32:53] | sphery: | does jumpprev (no default binding) jump to live tv, too |
| [06:33:08] | Beirdo: | well, the previous recording has been deleted |
| [06:33:15] | Beirdo: | maybe it's a fall-through condition |
| [06:33:29] | sphery: | yeah, "previous recording" is more complex than it sounds (haven't figured out the pattern, myself :) |
| [06:33:44] | Beirdo: | either way, the ticket "works for me" |
| [06:33:45] | sphery: | I think it's supposed to be a stack of some sort |
| [06:33:49] | Beirdo: | I can't get it to crash |
| [06:34:02] | sphery: | because JUMPPREV, JUMPPREV doesn't get you back to the original one :) |
| [06:34:14] | Beirdo: | in spite of doing what he said in various combinations like 30 times |
| [06:34:16] | sphery: | which ticket... |
| [06:34:22] | sphery: | #9412 |
| [06:34:23] | Beirdo: | the one I just closed |
| [06:34:25] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [06:34:28] | sphery: | hehe |
| [06:34:47] | Beirdo: | it won't crash, it's been 15 months... |
| [06:34:49] | Beirdo: | pfft |
| [06:35:35] | sphery: | so didn't crash for you in network control |
| [06:35:39] | sphery: | if not, might have been fixed |
| [06:35:48] | Beirdo: | yeah, using network control |
| [06:36:00] | sphery: | (I have a feeling the crash was in network control handling, not H/PREVCHAN handling) |
| [06:36:10] | Beirdo: | yeah, seems OK now |
| [06:36:24] | sphery: | thanks for testing, though--that was a blue one in my folder (blue = TODO) |
| [06:36:40] | Beirdo: | no prob |
| [06:36:56] | sphery: | ah, didn't realize there was a bt on it |
| [06:37:12] | Beirdo: | yeah, which supports your theory ;) |
| [06:37:31] | sphery: | cool :) |
| [06:37:44] | sphery: | yeah, looking at it, I'd agree |
| [06:37:45] | Beirdo: | but it seems fixed for now |
| [06:38:13] | sphery: | that's all that counts--who cares if we know when it got fixed/who fixed it (well, who, other than the guy who fixed it, cares) |
| [06:38:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:40:58] | ** wagnerrp wonders why monitors take so long to go into DPMS shutdown ** | |
| [06:41:34] | sphery: | how are you dpms'ing it |
| [06:42:00] | sphery: | mostly instantaneous, here--when I do an xset -dpms force of |
| [06:42:04] | ** wagnerrp has no idea to be honest ** | |
| [06:42:17] | sphery: | now if I use xscreensaver --activate, xscreensaver does a 3-second "fade to black" first |
| [06:42:42] | sphery: | er, xscreensaver-command -activate |
| [06:43:19] | sphery: | (when it does the dpms shutoff, that is) |
| [06:43:42] | wagnerrp: | "Sets the state of the display to power-off mode. This will be the most power-saving mode the display supports." |
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| [06:44:18] | wagnerrp: | basically, my old CRTs used to be nearly instantaneous |
| [06:44:24] | sphery: | that being, "fade: True\nfadeSeconds: 0:00:03\nfadeTicks: 20" in the config |
| [06:44:37] | wagnerrp: | my Sony LCD shows an information screen with "no signal" for about 4 seconds |
| [06:44:48] | sphery: | so is that some GNOME/KDE/xfce/... thing? |
| [06:45:01] | wagnerrp: | the pair of samsungs flip back and forth between their inputs for a good 20 seconds before turning off |
| [06:45:06] | wagnerrp: | eventghost |
| [06:45:29] | sphery: | ah, yeah, on my Samsung, I actually went into the menu and told it to never auto-select input because of that |
| [06:45:36] | sphery: | now it just does the right thing |
| [06:45:49] | wagnerrp: | really.... |
| [06:46:44] | sphery: | mine is just a little 17" samsung 1280x1024 monitor, but I'd guess their software is similar on bigger/better ones |
| [06:46:52] | wagnerrp: | autosource? |
| [06:47:08] | sphery: | that sounds vaguely familiar |
| [06:47:14] | sphery: | was a long time ago |
| [06:47:14] | wagnerrp: | oh that is wonderful |
| [06:47:31] | sphery: | I'm thinking it did something bad? |
| [06:48:14] | wagnerrp: | its stops waffling about in the source selection and goes straight into standby when i hit the button on my keyboard |
| [06:48:26] | wagnerrp: | (i reprogrammed the sleep button to turn off the monitor) |
| [06:48:48] | sphery: | ah, so real wonderful |
| [06:48:54] | sphery: | I thought it was a sarcastic wonderful |
| [06:48:59] | wagnerrp: | yes, i was not being sarcastic |
| [06:49:09] | sphery: | what have you done with the real wagnerrp ? |
| [06:49:16] | sphery: | ;) |
| [06:51:09] | wagnerrp: | seems the sony has no such option |
| [06:51:21] | wagnerrp: | well, i can turn off the auto source |
| [06:51:34] | wagnerrp: | but it still shows the 'no input, powering off' for a few seconds |
| [06:51:41] | wagnerrp: | the samsungs are instant off |
| [06:52:05] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, once I found that mine worked nicely--forgot I had changed that, though |
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| [06:52:46] | sphery: | (I'm on a different monitor, now (24" @ 1920x1200) and I didn't have to do a similar change for it--it just works, but it's "stupid" cheap software, so I'm not surprised :) |
| [06:53:00] | sphery: | the "smart" software tends to be the stuff that causes me most issues |
| [06:53:01] | Beirdo: | [20523] |
| [06:53:01] | MythLogBot: | SVN 20523: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/852b80ae |
| [06:53:21] | wagnerrp: | these are all "stupid" monitors |
| [06:53:37] | wagnerrp: | the sony is from 2003, and the samsungs are both 2004 |
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| [07:19:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that's some serious high-framerate video on Fringe |
| [07:19:15] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [07:19:25] | wagnerrp: | amazing stuff they do up at that MIT media lab |
| [07:19:50] | sphery: | yeah, no wonder the high security on that equipment |
| [07:20:33] | sphery: | it's probably just mythtv 0.18.1, though |
| [07:20:41] | sphery: | (from our user still running that version :) |
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| [10:50:43] | EvilGuru: | How can I find out what version of MythTV the next mythbuntu release, 12.04, will ship with? |
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| [10:59:27] | rileyp: | EvilGuru: it comes with 0.24 i would think |
| [10:59:47] | rileyp: | its not hard to change anyway just add teh repo and update |
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| [11:09:30] | EvilGuru: | rileyp: Just wondering if it would be worth it or not |
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| [11:10:39] | EvilGuru: | I guess it depends if mythweb has changed much between 0.24 and 0.25 as I use it quite a lot |
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| [13:51:34] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [13:52:43] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: and mythweb has barely changed... the core devs have kind of lost interest in actively developing it / or are too busy to do so |
| [13:52:57] | skd5aner: | s/core devs/core mythweb devs |
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| [14:30:28] | kisak: | "NVIDIA has also passed along word that with their next release series after 295.xx (likely to be 298.xx or 300.xx series), their Linux driver will now be enabling OpenGL sync-to-vblank by default." — phoronix |
| [14:31:16] | TheAsp: | the horror! |
| [14:31:40] | ** wagnerrp wont know what to do without image tearing ** | |
| [14:31:49] | TheAsp: | how will everyone live with their fps being the same as their refresh rate? |
| [14:32:35] | TheAsp: | wagnerrp: I have been victorious! |
| [14:32:55] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [14:33:07] | TheAsp: | Fixed my recording problems with h264 on fw |
| [14:33:16] | wagnerrp: | ah |
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| [14:56:45] | AndyCap: | TheAsp: I can see the fps folks not being to happy with fps being the same as their refresh rate. |
| [14:56:56] | AndyCap: | :) but they're on windows anyway |
| [14:57:04] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: why? |
| [14:57:21] | wagnerrp: | what use is there rendering faster than your framerate allows? |
| [14:57:24] | dekarl: | because you have to react quickly in esports... 120 Hz simply doesnt cut it :D |
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| [14:58:03] | wagnerrp: | if your screen is only running 60Hz, youre not going to see changes any faster than that, so why not delay and idle the GPU in the mean time/ |
| [14:58:10] | dekarl: | thats why they have high quality hdmi cables... with platinum connectors, hand rolled on virgin laps |
| [14:58:36] | wagnerrp: | their own? |
| [14:58:40] | dekarl: | sceptics call it esotericism :D |
| [14:59:34] | dekarl: | plus, you can see at least the lower half of the screen 1/60s earlier, that might be the difference between first and second place |
| [15:00:13] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: nah, that would be to much exercise... |
| [15:01:56] | dekarl: | btw, while we are in esoteric circles... whats the crc32 of nothing? is it all 0s or all 1s (guessing at what might cause CRC error 0x0 != 0xffffffff) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9cdac . . . ff463#L0R148 |
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| [15:16:11] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: I don't understand them, hopefully sanity will set in. but I suspect it's either a bug in the games or higher number on the screen must be better. |
| [15:17:13] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: im just thinking that no one *should* care about peak fps, all you should care about is minimum fps |
| [15:17:41] | wagnerrp: | although i do know there used to be claims that enabling vsync would cause jittering if your GPU was only marginally capable of hitting that rate |
| [15:17:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how accurate that is these days, or if it was even accurate then |
| [15:18:03] | dekarl: | higher numbers are always better? http://xkcd.com/1014/ ;) |
| [15:18:13] | wagnerrp: | but it was something recommended to improve playability for middling and lower end cards |
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| [18:20:14] | EvilGuru: | I believe the FPS > 60Hz came about back in the day when game mechanics were linked to the FPS |
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| [18:22:00] | wagnerrp: | oh, when things like AI and physics all ran in the same event loop? |
| [18:22:04] | EvilGuru: | Yep |
| [18:22:37] | wagnerrp: | so artificially limiting the framerate meant reducing the temporal resolution of those other mechanics |
| [18:23:02] | EvilGuru: | So you could get 'bullets' going through objects which they should be hitting in a single frame (and so missing) |
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| [18:26:04] | EvilGuru: | But the only issue I really have with nvidia and syncing is VDPAU + compositing being a bit messy at times |
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| [20:52:12] | kisak: | hmm ... I have a channel that letterboxes old simpsons episodes, then compresses it horizontally for the sd channel |
| [20:53:06] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [20:53:44] | kisak: | it makes sense to use the horrizontal stretch to fix this, but the horizontal stretch also zooms in, cutting off the top and bottom |
| [20:55:11] | wagnerrp: | use half zoom? |
| [20:56:01] | kisak: | that's not much effect, none of which is helping |
| [20:57:02] | kisak: | if the H stretch didn't then zoom, then it would be 4:3 on a 16:9 screen |
| [21:00:03] | sphery: | kisak: old simpsons episodes /are/ 4:3, so they should be displayed 4:3 on screen. If your broadcaster sends it in a 16:9 image with pillarboxing (black bars left and right) it should show up basically centered on your screen, but full height |
| [21:01:01] | sphery: | if it's showing up as pillarboxed and letterboxed (with black bars on top and bottom, too), then they're mis-signaling the display aspect ratio (or your screen is misconfigured so MythTV doesn't know the screen's aspect ratio) |
| [21:01:17] | Scopeuk: | sphery, i've seen the bbc do strange things with 4:3 letter boxed in to 14:9 transmitted boxed onto 16:9 |
| [21:01:49] | sphery: | if they're mis-signaling, you can work around it by using Video|Aspect Ratio to say, "No, MythTV, the video information is incorrect and this really /is/ 16:9" (or whatever) |
| [21:01:55] | dekarl: | there is no 14:9 on the transmission path... |
| [21:03:30] | dekarl: | but sphery is right, sounds like wrong signalling/display setup |
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| [21:03:36] | sphery: | (not stretch, but aspect--that's how you say that the broadcaster is wrong... note, though, it presumes you're not misconfiguring your system with an aspect ratio override in mythtv or a broken X configuration or something) |
| [21:04:42] | kisak: | it seems like they mastered the stream for the HD channel, then they got lazy when it came to the SD channel |
| [21:05:32] | dekarl: | kisak: are you talking about anamorphic transmission of a 4:3 in HD in a 16:9 frame getting squished into 702x576 with black pillars left/right instead of proper 4:3 full frame? |
| [21:06:13] | kisak: | that seems right |
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| [21:07:57] | kisak: | ah, I can force the aspect ratio to 16:9, that kills the first set of letterboxing, then I can use horizontal stretch to kill the second set without any vertical zoom |
| [21:08:48] | dekarl: | kisak your display is 4:3? |
| [21:08:57] | kisak: | no, it's 16:9 |
| [21:09:27] | dekarl: | hmm, strange. should all work very well. |
| [21:10:52] | kisak: | I found it odd that horizontal stretch assumed horizontal fill instead of additional stretching if the aspect ratio change is greater than 4:3 -> 16:9 |
| [21:15:03] | sphery: | kisak: xdpyinfo | grep -B2 resolution |
| [21:16:24] | kisak: | it reads 95x94 dpi |
| [21:19:09] | sphery: | (on the mythtv box with whatever user has access to X) |
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| [21:20:55] | sphery: | and the other line |
| [21:21:06] | sphery: | (I need the last 2 at minimum) |
| [21:23:36] | kisak: | oh, it's a 2 monitor array, 3840x1080 pixels (1026x291 millimeters) with the before mentioned resolution of 95x94 dpi, mythtv is only sent to one of the two monitors, giving it 1920x1080 to play with |
| [21:25:25] | kisak: | the set top box can be ruled out as a factor because the channel is recorded with a HDHR |
| [21:26:45] | sphery: | ok, so that means in mythtv, you /must/ specify a value for Monitor aspect ratio |
| [21:26:48] | sphery: | have you? |
| [21:27:25] | sphery: | otherwise, mythtv will likely treat your monitor as 4:3 |
| [21:27:43] | sphery: | ("that means" = "the fact that you're using a Xinerama-type display means" |
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| [21:28:07] | Greek-Boy: | Hello MythTV users |
| [21:28:08] | kisak: | video aspect override is set to off |
| [21:28:19] | sphery: | kisak: not override, "Monitor aspect ratio" |
| [21:28:22] | sphery: | in appearance |
| [21:28:53] | kisak: | in appearance, it's set to 16:9 |
| [21:28:57] | sphery: | (that said, video aspect override should always be off...) |
| [21:29:07] | kisak: | I agree sphery |
| [21:29:13] | sphery: | then I'm back to thinking it's broken signaling |
| [21:29:42] | Greek-Boy: | it's been quite a while, can't wait to try the latest version of MythTV – hope there are many improvements and bug-fixes. |
| [21:29:43] | Greek-Boy: | :-) |
| [21:29:52] | sphery: | meaning you'd have to tell mythtv it's not actually 4:3 video being broadcast |
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| [21:30:19] | sphery: | Greek-Boy: should be quite a bit of nice stuff |
| [21:30:44] | Greek-Boy: | yeah, last I ran MythTv was 2009 |
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| [21:30:58] | sphery: | there's a testing version of 0.25 out (0.25rc1), and release is scheduled for Apr 2 |
| [21:31:10] | Greek-Boy: | i'm building a nice new box now plus some smaller units for the front-ends |
| [21:31:15] | sphery: | ah, yeah, there will be /lots/ of good improvements for you, then |
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| [21:31:52] | Greek-Boy: | hope it will be more stable now and handle mkv files better. |
| [21:32:23] | Greek-Boy: | and hope that it can now read subtitles that are embedded in the mkv |
| [21:33:22] | kisak: | Greek-Boy: if it can't, you can specify an alternate media player for that file type |
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| [21:34:45] | dekarl: | alternate players stink (and MythTV handles my MKVs very well) |
| [21:37:46] | kisak: | going back to the horizontal stretch, why does it assume that horizontal zoom is also wanted? |
| [21:38:30] | dekarl: | kisak, are you on 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [21:38:38] | kisak: | 0.25 |
| [21:39:31] | dekarl: | ohh, worksforme... I thought you might be on 0.24 where there is only one of both. So horizontal fill and strech do the same for you? |
| [21:39:33] | kisak: | I ment horizontal fill, not horizontal zoom |
| [21:40:02] | dekarl: | IIRC horizontal fill is supposed to zooming without altering the aspect |
| [21:41:04] | kisak: | the behavior I'm seeing with these simpsons episodes is horizontal fill is applied after horizontal stretch when horizontal stretch is asked for |
| [21:41:57] | kisak: | and horizontal stretch is doing only enough for 4:3 -> 16:9 |
| [21:42:10] | dekarl: | that doesnt make sense. you have a 16:9 video that contains a 4:3 visible picture, correct? |
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| [21:43:13] | kisak: | let me grab the episode off the backend and get a real resolution of the recording |
| [21:43:54] | dekarl: | maybe you can put a 10mb snipped of it up on the web for testing? |
| [21:44:42] | ** dekarl has to go, will be back tomorrow ** | |
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| [21:50:28] | kisak: | it is 702x480@29.97 and claims an aspect ratio of 4:3 |
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| [21:56:12] | sphery: | and what picture is inside it? |
| [21:56:34] | kisak: | it's letterboxed on the sides |
| [21:57:00] | sphery: | so it's both letterboxed and pillarboxed inside the 702x480 |
| [21:57:13] | sphery: | i.e. that video contains black bars on left/right/top/bottom |
| [21:57:26] | sphery: | (play back with a simple video player like mplayer or xine and see) |
| [21:57:48] | kisak: | I ment to say pillarboxed then, that term is not in my vocabulary |
| [21:57:56] | sphery: | if so, then you should not do any stretch or aspect ratio changes (override setting or per-playback, menu setting) |
| [21:58:10] | sphery: | and you should just do: MENU|Video|Zoom|Full Zoom |
| [21:58:14] | sphery: | (or Half Zoom) |
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| [21:58:39] | sphery: | half = display the largest 14:9 box you can centered within the video |
| [21:58:50] | sphery: | full = display the largest 16:9 box you can centered within the video |
| [21:59:35] | sphery: | i.e. if it's really a 4:3 image that's embedded within a 16:9 "box" within a 4:3 video, you just need to zoom in to that 16:9 box |
| [21:59:47] | sphery: | and it will show up as a 4:3 image at full height on your screen |
| [22:00:14] | sphery: | with all the terrible blockiness you'd expect from such low resolution where the broadcaster is wasting a ton of space by sending you black bars |
| [22:00:19] | kisak: | there is no black space on the top and bottom |
| [22:00:42] | sphery: | but there is black space on left and right |
| [22:00:46] | kisak: | right |
| [22:01:55] | sphery: | so that's just a terribly-encoded video that requires you to stretch it weird because it's letterboxing a 4:3 image in a 4:3 video frame |
| [22:02:02] | kisak: | I understand how to manipulate mythtv to get the video to show how I want now, but how it handles it by default is strange |
| [22:02:38] | sphery: | unless you've done some overrides, it's handling it how the broadcaster tells it to |
| [22:03:06] | sphery: | i.e. it's saying display at this aspect, in spite of the fact that it's written at this other aspect |
| [22:03:25] | sphery: | unless it's an analog recording that relies on WSS (which we may or may not support or your capture device may or may not support or ...) |
| [22:03:44] | sphery: | still, it's encoded poorly |
| [22:04:06] | sphery: | if it actually has black bars encoded into the video |
| [22:04:15] | sphery: | (i.e. if they show up on previews and such) |
| [22:05:21] | kisak: | without the 16:9 override, horizontal stretch will do it's job, and pull the video left and right to account for the black space put in by mythtv, but it doesn't stop there and show the video, it continues with a horizontal fill and cuts some off the top and bottom until there is no black space on the left and right |
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| [22:06:00] | Greek-Boy: | what is the term that was used when mythtv opens multiple streams per transponder? |
| [22:06:09] | kisak: | the video is digital and it was captured by a HDHR |
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| [22:06:50] | [R]: | Greek-Boy: multirec |
| [22:07:42] | Greek-Boy: | i see, it's the same as multiplexing right? |
| [22:09:08] | Greek-Boy: | is it more stable now? |
| [22:09:21] | Greek-Boy: | wasn't too reliable back in 2009 with my dvb-s and dvb-s2 signals |
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| [22:09:46] | justinh: | more stable now? never been unstable here |
| [22:09:58] | justinh: | it'll be annoying for you if you ever want to use livetv though |
| [22:10:04] | justinh: | VERY annoying |
| [22:10:22] | Greek-Boy: | why so? |
| [22:10:29] | justinh: | like you won't be able to easily change channels to different multiplexes |
| [22:11:24] | Greek-Boy: | :-( |
| [22:11:35] | sphery: | kisak: oh, the problem is the weird encoding + you've enabled the "automatically zoom stuff in how you think is correct" stuff |
| [22:11:53] | kisak: | no, automatically zoom is off |
| [22:12:33] | justinh: | Greek-Boy: just another reason not to *ever* use livetv :-) |
| [22:13:32] | Greek-Boy: | justinh: Yes but there will be times that livetv can't be avoided |
| [22:14:01] | justinh: | what times? |
| [22:14:09] | justinh: | there are no times you can't avoid live tv :-) |
| [22:14:31] | justinh: | or, as we do in this house – for those times just use the tv directly |
| [22:14:56] | Greek-Boy: | well, that is well-suited for your setup |
| [22:14:57] | TheAsp: | whats livetv? |
| [22:15:01] | TheAsp: | :P |
| [22:15:04] | Greek-Boy: | but here we realy big time on dvb-s |
| [22:15:12] | BLZbubba: | on ubuntu unity, the panel and mythtv don't seem to get along; is there a way to tell mythtv to use fewer vertical pixels than the full screen? or else a way to have it cover the panel? |
| [22:15:32] | justinh: | you want to see the news? just set it to always record, set the number of max shows to keep to two or so... |
| [22:15:36] | TheAsp: | BLZbubba: it covers the screen if you set the size to be full screen |
| [22:15:42] | TheAsp: | BLZbubba: works fine with the panel |
| [22:16:02] | justinh: | unit doesn't seem to get along with most people. get rid of it |
| [22:16:07] | TheAsp: | ohh |
| [22:16:08] | justinh: | er Unity I mean |
| [22:16:11] | TheAsp: | that panel |
| [22:16:17] | TheAsp: | i was thinking gnome-panel |
| [22:16:36] | justinh: | although I got rid of Unity, set Gnome to auto log me in & that severely broke X to the extent I dumped Ubuntu forever |
| [22:16:41] | Greek-Boy: | can't someone fix livetv? I'll fund the coding time |
| [22:16:41] | Greek-Boy: | lol |
| [22:17:02] | BLZbubba: | yeah ubuntu has been making a lot of mistakes, starting with !$^!#^ upstart in 10.04 |
| [22:17:10] | TheAsp: | Install gnome-session-fallback |
| [22:17:15] | TheAsp: | Then log in as gnome classic |
| [22:17:20] | TheAsp: | as your session type |
| [22:17:20] | justinh: | Greek-Boy: all the ways around it thought of so far haven't been perfect either |
| [22:17:29] | justinh: | TheAsp: no, it totally broke X |
| [22:17:40] | TheAsp: | how could it break x? |
| [22:17:43] | justinh: | anyway, I stopped using Ubuntu. That'll learn em |
| [22:17:48] | BLZbubba: | yeah if i can't work around this i'll try gnome |
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| [22:17:56] | justinh: | TheAsp: damned if I know how but it did |
| [22:18:22] | justinh: | Seemed to be something to do with something the removal of Unity didn't do properly |
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| [22:19:27] | justinh: | not that Mint is free of annoyances... but hey |
| [22:19:36] | justinh: | that's computers for ya |
| [22:22:17] | Greek-Boy: | justinh: Can't we hire some devs that have developed commercial apps similiar to mythtv? I know this is not the open source way. |
| [22:22:30] | Greek-Boy: | justinh: I just want mythtv to make a big leap forward. |
| [22:24:08] | sphery: | Greek-Boy: live tv should be in better shape than it's been for many, many, many, many years with 0.25 |
| [22:24:29] | Greek-Boy: | ok |
| [22:30:06] | Greek-Boy: | i see 0.25rc is already out |
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| [22:30:15] | Greek-Boy: | when will 0.25 be out? |
| [22:30:31] | [R]: | when its ready |
| [22:30:57] | Greek-Boy: | few months? |
| [22:31:16] | [R]: | [03:30:31] [R] when its ready |
| [22:31:42] | Greek-Boy: | ok |
| [22:35:46] | jamm5050: | hi all, just updated to 0.25 and am trying to find the mythmusic album art editor... can't find how to access it! can someone point me in the right direction? |
| [22:36:46] | [R]: | seeing as 0.25 doesnt exist... |
| [22:36:58] | jamm5050: | 0.25 rc1 if you prefer |
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| [22:48:03] | jamm5050: | so in mythmusic the setting to enable writing id3 tags is enabled, i have necessary permissions to edit the files, but the metadata editor seems to be read only |
| [22:49:36] | jamm5050: | tried arclight, mythcentre-wide, steppes |
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| [23:24:29] | Greek-Boy: | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA2NjA |
| [23:24:49] | Greek-Boy: | according to that article, 0.25 is coming out on the 2nd April |
| [23:24:50] | Greek-Boy: | Yay |
| [23:24:51] | Greek-Boy: | :-) |
| [23:26:52] | kisak: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.25 according to the direct source, it also says the 2nd of april |
| [23:29:49] | kisak: | I'm starting to wonder if verizon is trying to interfere with me |
| [23:30:04] | kisak: | they've shut off my stb's twice in 2 days now |
| [23:30:33] | kisak: | in the middle of the day |
| [23:31:03] | Greek-Boy: | does mythtv or one of the plugins have a "play-list"? |
| [23:31:24] | wagnerrp: | play list? |
| [23:31:39] | wagnerrp: | both recordings and mythmusic support playlists |
| [23:39:28] | Greek-Boy: | nice |
| [23:39:40] | Greek-Boy: | but I wish it had a play-list for movies too |
| [23:39:45] | Greek-Boy: | media |
| [23:39:57] | wagnerrp: | likely coming in next version |
| [23:39:59] | Greek-Boy: | so if I fall asleep it can continue to play movies/media in teh list |
| [23:40:04] | wagnerrp: | you can have it play all content in a folder |
| [23:40:05] | Greek-Boy: | in 0.25? |
| [23:40:11] | wagnerrp: | next as in 0.26 |
| [23:40:19] | Greek-Boy: | i c |
| [23:40:25] | Greek-Boy: | good stuff |
| [23:43:38] | Greek-Boy: | 0.25 comes with 3D support right? |
| [23:44:33] | wagnerrp: | in a manner of speaking |
| [23:44:44] | [R]: | its gonna turn my tv into a 3d tv |
| [23:44:45] | [R]: | SWEET |
| [23:45:23] | wagnerrp: | it supports proper duplication of the UI when used with side-by-side and top-bottom 3D video |
| [23:45:48] | wagnerrp: | but it still requires the TV to support such modes |
| [23:46:03] | [R]: | oh darn |
| [23:46:11] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt support the multi-stream stereo video used by bluray |
| [23:46:14] | Greek-Boy: | lol |
| [23:47:14] | Greek-Boy: | i c |
| [23:48:21] | Greek-Boy: | i will have to try convert my blu-rays into mkv |
| [23:48:37] | wagnerrp: | what good will that do? |
| [23:48:52] | Greek-Boy: | and I still need to do research and see if nvidia linux drivers are ready for 3D |
| [23:49:11] | Greek-Boy: | i have a dual-projector setup for steroscopic 3D |
| [23:49:18] | wagnerrp: | linux nvidia drivers have supported 3D since the mid 90s |
| [23:50:03] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: i mean 3D output such as RealD, etc |
| [23:50:13] | wagnerrp: | you mean stereo output |
| [23:50:19] | Greek-Boy: | yes |
| [23:50:20] | wagnerrp: | such as ReadD, etc... |
| [23:50:24] | [R]: | we need 5.1 3d |
| [23:50:26] | [R]: | screw stereo |
| [23:50:36] | Greek-Boy: | lol |
| [23:50:55] | wagnerrp: | dont know about RealD, but ive been doing stereo output through linux and nvidia for years |
| [23:51:25] | [R]: | do you have trouble telling the difference between reality and the computer? |
| [23:51:40] | Beirdo: | is there a difference? |
| [23:51:49] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [23:51:50] | wagnerrp: | i close one eye, and the computer gets dimmer |
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| [23:52:01] | Greek-Boy: | lol |
| [23:53:08] | wagnerrp: | i think the two cards ive done it on are an FX1400 and an FX4500 X2 |
| [23:53:42] | [R]: | when i ws in school |
| [23:53:45] | [R]: | i went inot this thing once |
| [23:53:56] | [R]: | it was all crazy and it was prjoecting 3d |
| [23:53:59] | [R]: | and it aws like a room |
| [23:54:34] | wagnerrp: | 'it' being stereo visualization, using ensight, some stereo movie player, and our own in-house visual3-based visualizer |
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