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| [00:03:02] | coop3: | hey guys. set up a new frontend on an atom/ion box… it was workign beautifully for a while, but now i get constant "ALSA, Error: WriteAudio: buffer underrun" errors |
| [00:03:10] | coop3: | no matter which sound device i select |
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| [00:03:36] | coop3: | output of `aplay -L` : http://pastebin.com/C33JGLQ5 |
| [00:03:47] | coop3: | sample mythfrontend.log: http://pastebin.com/cqhAg15n |
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| [00:03:59] | wagnerrp: | TheAsp: its caused by you being on the wrong side of the border |
| [00:04:01] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [00:04:09] | ** TheAsp gets his pitchfork ** | |
| [00:04:10] | TheAsp: | :P |
| [00:05:00] | ** TheAsp hacks a test-mpeg2 based recorder ** | |
| [00:06:05] | TheAsp: | atleast all my HD channels and 5c free :) |
| [00:10:40] | ** wagnerrp is confused as to how he had 30GB free yesterday, 45GB free today, and nothing expired in between ** | |
| [00:11:41] | TheAsp: | deleted a file that you had open? |
| [00:12:01] | wagnerrp: | dont know |
| [00:12:13] | wagnerrp: | well... it means i dont have to move some files around to make space for tonights recordings |
| [00:12:19] | wagnerrp: | so that's all i care about |
| [00:12:31] | kormoc: | until your phantom file returns in the night |
| [00:13:05] | wagnerrp: | well im just going to wait until after recordings are finished, and start shuffling stuff to another backend |
| [00:13:15] | wagnerrp: | it never gets recorded on, because the primary picks up everything |
| [00:13:18] | wagnerrp: | so it has another 500GB free |
| [00:13:59] | coop3: | new chunk of mythfrontend.log , with `-v audio` : http://pastebin.com/0Y9QtZaM |
| [00:14:04] | coop3: | using ALSA:default |
| [00:14:40] | TheAsp: | gah, c++ inheritance |
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| [00:15:23] | coop3: | derp, i think i see the error in plain text in my log |
| [00:15:28] | ** coop3 is an idiot ** | |
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| [00:20:24] | TheAsp: | coop3: we all are. |
| [00:21:04] | ** awalls recalls files disappearing from /var/video a few days before a devastating ext2 filesystem corruption ** | |
| [00:21:35] | awalls: | wagnerrp: time for 0-level backup |
| [00:21:45] | awalls: | /level-0/ |
| [00:22:10] | wagnerrp: | awalls: well i can do a resilvering, check for errors |
| [00:22:37] | awalls: | resilvering? |
| [00:23:01] | wagnerrp: | zfs, refreshes the volume |
| [00:23:07] | awalls: | ah |
| [00:23:15] | wagnerrp: | makes sure any parity is correct, makes sure all blocks match their checksum |
| [00:23:54] | wagnerrp: | basically, prevents (or at least checks) for any kind of silent bit rot |
| [00:24:08] | wagnerrp: | i actually think i know what happened |
| [00:24:25] | awalls: | MPEG gremlins! |
| [00:24:25] | TheAsp: | I wish I had a faster box, and tons of free time |
| [00:24:32] | wagnerrp: | ive been messing with a script for splitting apart multi-episode recordings |
| [00:24:50] | wagnerrp: | i have a 12GB double-episode of Alcatraz |
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| [00:25:03] | wagnerrp: | and had a temporary copy in case i fudged something |
| [00:25:15] | wagnerrp: | as well as two 5-GB transcoded results |
| [00:25:20] | wagnerrp: | lossless transcode |
| [00:25:24] | wagnerrp: | so commercials clipped |
| [00:25:34] | wagnerrp: | probably closer to 4GB |
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| [00:27:22] | ** awalls is summoned by his wife to watch Dr Who S6:E13 with her ** | |
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| [00:28:02] | wagnerrp: | season 6? what nonsense is that? |
| [00:28:08] | TheAsp: | Is there any code documentation for myth, like doxygen output? |
| [00:28:13] | wagnerrp: | theyre only like season 40 |
| [00:28:31] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/doxygen |
| [00:28:39] | TheAsp: | \o/ |
| [00:29:20] | TheAsp: | It looks like firewirerecorder missed some refactoring love |
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| [00:30:17] | wagnerrp: | we really only have one dev with any use for firewire recording these days |
| [00:30:26] | coop3: | so i fixed permissions of /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc, but i still get errors |
| [00:30:31] | TheAsp: | yeah, i've notice |
| [00:30:32] | TheAsp: | d |
| [00:30:34] | coop3: | increased manually, to no avail |
| [00:30:37] | coop3: | 2012-03–19 17:27:44.957 ALSA: Hardware audio buffer cur: 27968 need: 41024 max allowed: 32768 |
| [00:30:37] | coop3: | 2012-03–19 17:27:44.957 ALSA, Error: Setting hardware audio buffer size to 32768 |
| [00:30:37] | coop3: | 2012-03–19 17:27:44.997 ALSA, Error: Unable to sufficiently increase ALSA hardware buffer size – underruns are likely |
| [00:30:40] | wagnerrp: | and hes fairly absent besides the initial ipv6 bits last year |
| [00:30:48] | coop3: | i wonder why it needs more than i have :-/ |
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| [00:31:51] | TheAsp: | *sigh* i remember when firewire was the shit. |
| [00:32:44] | wagnerrp: | and then we got an FCC chair who actually wanted to do some good for the consumer |
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| [00:35:07] | TheAsp: | do you know which recorder your cable card whatsits use? |
| [00:35:23] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [00:35:36] | TheAsp: | *recorder.cpp |
| [00:35:50] | TheAsp: | is it dvb? |
| [00:35:51] | wagnerrp: | not sure off hand |
| [00:36:08] | wagnerrp: | the HDHRP and DCR-2650 use the standard hdhomerun libraries |
| [00:36:13] | wagnerrp: | the ceton has its own library |
| [00:36:22] | wagnerrp: | and then theres the unfinished ocur input that will replace both |
| [00:40:50] | TheAsp: | who would be the best person to talk to about the best way to use more of dtvrecroder.cpp, besides daniel? |
| [00:41:02] | wagnerrp: | daniel |
| [00:41:04] | TheAsp: | hah |
| [00:41:05] | TheAsp: | ok |
| [00:41:24] | wagnerrp: | capt'm may know a bit |
| [00:41:38] | TheAsp: | i'll bug him the next time i see him awake then |
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| [00:42:04] | wagnerrp: | either of the stuarts may know something |
| [00:42:19] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know how far their knowledge extends beyond what is needed for EIT stuff |
| [00:42:25] | TheAsp: | *nod* |
| [00:42:36] | TheAsp: | i need to fix this before my wife kills me :) |
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| [00:43:22] | wagnerrp: | import recorder with tsreader? |
| [00:44:19] | wagnerrp: | not as a long term solution |
| [00:44:27] | wagnerrp: | but as something you can get working in very short order |
| [00:44:36] | wagnerrp: | and as a fallback in case something goes funky in the future |
| [00:46:44] | coop3: | alright, i don't get the buffer allocation error anymore [the one that i used to get at initialization], but now it just underruns — http://pastebin.com/uYd6UixL |
| [00:46:51] | coop3: | driving me mad |
| [00:47:00] | TheAsp: | actually, i'd rather just fix it right. dtvrecorder seems to have all the right bits, just need to sort out how they are to be used |
| [00:47:24] | TheAsp: | thats how i made the patch for 0.24 |
| [00:47:30] | wagnerrp: | by "short order", i mean "several minutes" |
| [00:48:12] | TheAsp: | you are assuming i can compile myth in "several minutes" |
| [00:48:18] | TheAsp: | last time was like 2 hours :) |
| [00:48:38] | TheAsp: | coop3: what is ALSA:default for you? |
| [00:48:50] | wagnerrp: | no, im saying the import recorder is designed to allow the use of external utilities to perform the recording for you |
| [00:48:58] | TheAsp: | ohhh |
| [00:49:00] | TheAsp: | hmm |
| [00:49:08] | wagnerrp: | so you rig up tsreader to do the recording in the very short term |
| [00:49:20] | TheAsp: | isnt that too easy? :) |
| [00:49:23] | coop3: | TheAsp: http://pastebin.com/C33JGLQ5 |
| [00:49:25] | wagnerrp: | until you can figure out what is wrong with mythtv's internal firewire stuff |
| [00:49:40] | TheAsp: | actually i suspect I have 3 problems |
| [00:50:05] | TheAsp: | 1) my cable box seems to want to change to channel 67 to annouce some channel changes, that started friday |
| [00:50:15] | TheAsp: | (not blaming myth) |
| [00:50:40] | TheAsp: | 2) I can't go into live tv more than once (dont care, only use it for testing) |
| [00:50:56] | TheAsp: | 3) 0 lengths |
| [00:51:04] | TheAsp: | 3.1) corrupt seek tables |
| [00:51:18] | TheAsp: | I think 3 and 3.1 may be the same problem :) |
| [00:51:35] | TheAsp: | coop3: asoundrc? |
| [00:51:49] | coop3: | i don't have one |
| [00:52:22] | TheAsp: | what dist? |
| [00:53:19] | coop3: | mythbuntu 11.10 |
| [00:54:12] | TheAsp: | coop3: i liked your problem better when you thought you were an idiot ;) |
| [00:55:01] | TheAsp: | coop3: what kind of output are you using? |
| [00:55:08] | coop3: | heh |
| [00:55:15] | coop3: | i've tried over hdmi and optical |
| [00:55:18] | coop3: | same results |
| [00:55:38] | coop3: | also tried pretty much all of the devices listed in aplay |
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| [00:55:53] | TheAsp: | can you play stuff in mplayer decently? |
| [00:56:00] | coop3: | havent tried |
| [00:56:08] | coop3: | sound-test works well :D |
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| [00:57:22] | coop3: | i'll try that |
| [00:57:27] | TheAsp: | Are you actually having sound problems? |
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| [01:07:22] | |PSU|: | hi guys, weird problem just started and I'm not sure where to start...several of the major networks (i.e., abc, fox, cbs, etc.) started to come in choppy (not all the time but usually primetime). the video and audio stutters and the recordings / live tv is not really watchable. this setup has been working flawlessly since early January on my WinTV-DCR-2650. there have been no changes to the box, and other HD channels (e.g., CNN, ESPN |
| [01:08:05] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [01:11:20] | |PSU|: | mythtv-0.24.1–5.md12.i686 |
| [01:16:10] | |PSU|: | is it worth upgrading to 0.24.2? |
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| [01:17:21] | adamu: | hi there for some reason when I am watching live tv randomly it crashes and the screen goes black. there is an error message that says mythfrontend[1320]: N CoreContext mythplayer.cpp:2079 (PrebufferEnoughFrames) Player(3): Waited 19304ms for video buffers AAAAAfAALAfAAA |
| [01:18:00] | wagnerrp: | adamu: is this potentially at the end of one show and beginning of the next? |
| [01:19:01] | wagnerrp: | well can i see the timestamp that got printed with that error? |
| [01:19:40] | wagnerrp: | what type of recorder are you using? |
| [01:20:51] | adamu: | here is another message wagnerrp |
| [01:20:53] | adamu: | oom mythfrontend[1320]: E CoreContext mythplayer.cpp:3021 (DecoderEnd) Player(3): Failed to stop decoder loop. Mar 18 23:24:02 momroom mythfrontend[1320]: I CoreContext mythplayer.cpp:4894 (SetDecoder) Player(3): Waited 10ms for decoder lock Mar 18 23:24:33 mythfrontend[1320]: last message repeated 1099 times |
| [01:21:39] | wagnerrp: | this isnt caused by channel changes? |
| [01:21:57] | adamu: | no i can change channels |
| [01:22:11] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean is it possible these errors coincided with a channel change? |
| [01:22:12] | adamu: | its just when im watching it sometimes shuts off |
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| [01:23:04] | wagnerrp: | its just odd to see such errors come without any external stimulus such as changing of files around the change of a program or channel |
| [01:23:16] | wagnerrp: | and on digital cable, its not going to be caused by signal dropouts |
| [01:23:45] | adamu: | i had an issue with a bad patch cable a while back |
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| [01:24:04] | adamu: | could it somehowbe caused by signal error from the backend? |
| [01:24:31] | wagnerrp: | if you were having network dropouts, there would be all sorts of other noticeable problems |
| [01:27:46] | adamu: | same error on three frontends |
| [01:27:53] | adamu: | Mar 19 09:46:13 lindsayroom mythfrontend[1237]: N CoreContext mythplayer.cpp:2064 (PrebufferEnoughFrames) Player(1): Waited 18534ms for video buffers dAAdAAALAAAADA |
| [01:28:33] | adamu: | so it must have to do with the |
| [01:28:36] | adamu: | hdhomerunprime |
| [01:28:58] | wagnerrp: | which means you need to be looking at backend logs, not frontend |
| [01:31:13] | adamu: | Mar 19 21:12:47 timbase mythbackend[1562]: W CoreContext mainserver.cpp:5799 (connectionClosed) MainServer: Unknown socket closing MythSocket(0x7f6b21339760) |
| [01:31:19] | adamu: | Mar 19 21:12:47 timbase mythbackend[1562]: E CoreContext mythsocket.cpp:358 (writeStringList) MythSocket(7f6b21339760:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnec$ |
| [01:31:24] | |PSU|: | wagnerrp: no change after upgrading to 0.24.2. any logs that i should take a look at for potential issues? |
| [01:31:59] | wagnerrp: | nopw |
| [01:32:38] | |PSU|: | ok...any suggestions? :) |
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| [01:39:04] | ThisNewGuy: | hey all – can anyone help me with a segfault: http://pastebin.com/teuKE4G6 |
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| [01:51:56] | wagnerrp: | adamu: those errors will repeat until the backend starts receiving data from the tuner |
| [01:52:06] | wagnerrp: | or eventually time out and terminate the recording |
| [01:52:38] | ThisNewGuy: | looks like I'm segfaulting on tvrec->GetCaptureCardNum() |
| [01:52:43] | ThisNewGuy: | any idea how that could happen? |
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| [01:56:54] | wagnerrp: | adamu: seriously, have no not realized that every single one of my responses has come back in-channel? |
| [01:57:10] | wagnerrp: | meaning i havent pre-pended it with a '/msg adamu' |
| [01:58:12] | adamu: | oh im sorry |
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| [02:00:24] | wagnerrp: | its generally considered poor IRC etiquette to PM people who you have not have significant prior contact |
| [02:00:40] | wagnerrp: | especially in a help channel, where the help could potentially come to the aid of others |
| [02:00:53] | wagnerrp: | i didn't bring it up, assuming eventually you would catch on |
| [02:01:04] | adamu: | i did not know that |
| [02:01:45] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so i was surprised on my win7 box, i found my backend, it showed all my recordings nicely, i clicked on one, and it just played... of course it wasn't using hardware accell for some reason, so it studdered like crazy... even though tis a 2.7ghz dual core |
| [02:02:06] | wagnerrp: | [R]: you mean windows media player did so? |
| [02:02:09] | [R]: | yeah |
| [02:02:23] | wagnerrp: | microsoft added UPNP support starting in Vista |
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| [02:02:51] | wagnerrp: | sort of... |
| [02:03:03] | wagnerrp: | theres some quirkiness with how it displays the content |
| [02:03:18] | wagnerrp: | it wants to generate its own views based off the metadata, which mythtv does not send it |
| [02:03:25] | wagnerrp: | so everything just drops down to a flat view |
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| [02:05:29] | [R]: | freakin arizona weather... i was sweating on friday night and freezing now |
| [02:14:43] | adamu: | i wish it was cold here lol its 80 in new jersey |
| [02:15:02] | ThisNewGuy: | Does anyone know what table the recordingprofile details are stored in? "recordingprofiles" just seems to have high level info |
| [02:15:36] | |PSU|: | wagnerrp: good news / bad news :) connected my DCR-2650 to a Windows box and from Media Center the few channels were also choppy. i guess it's time for a call to Comcast? |
| [02:16:02] | wagnerrp: | that, or silicondust |
| [02:16:12] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you just need to reset the unit? |
| [02:16:21] | wagnerrp: | or there may be some issue with your networking gear? |
| [02:16:24] | [R]: | who ya gonna call... |
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| [02:17:11] | |PSU|: | good point. yeah, tried resetting this evening and that didn't seem to work. |
| [02:18:16] | |PSU|: | this is the USB unit, so there shouldn't be any networking equip. involved |
| [02:19:07] | wagnerrp: | ah, right |
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| [02:29:22] | ThisNewGuy: | it was in codecparams |
| [02:58:50] | |PSU|: | wagnerrp: looks like it may be a signal issue. removed the cable splitter and now it works fine. any recommendations for a high-quality 2-way splitter? |
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| [04:16:36] | k-man: | what do you guys think of using a NAS box like the synology ones as the storage solution for mythtv? |
| [04:17:08] | k-man: | as compared to a serve with a few hdds in it |
| [04:20:28] | [R]: | people use nases... |
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| [04:34:42] | k-man: | [R], yes, apparantly they do |
| [04:36:59] | fphillips: | k-man, mythtv is generally a better idea to use their native Storage Groups rather than NFS. You can have slave backends with extra storage, and to help with tuning, transcoding. |
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| [04:38:38] | k-man: | fphillips, i currently run a combined frontend/backend which outputs SD over s-video but when i get a new TV, i don't think it will have enough grunt to do HD playback |
| [04:38:51] | k-man: | so then i'll probably get a new machine for the FE |
| [04:39:04] | k-man: | so you are suggesting i could use that new machine for aditional storage |
| [04:39:25] | k-man: | ? |
| [04:40:04] | fphillips: | k-man, yes, you can have any number of backends and frontends as part of the same mythtv system |
| [04:40:20] | k-man: | cool thanks |
| [04:42:31] | fphillips: | what are the specs on your combo BE? |
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| [04:45:32] | k-man: | fphillips, http://pastie.org/3632689 |
| [04:45:45] | k-man: | fphillips, its a dell 745 optiplex something or other |
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| [04:46:15] | k-man: | 2 gig of ram |
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| [04:53:33] | fphillips: | yeah, it would be marginal at best :P |
| [04:57:07] | k-man: | fphillips, yeah, i've tried playing HD recordings on my SD setup and it struggles |
| [04:58:58] | k-man: | i should keep notes on when i install the various machines i have used over the years. this one must have been going for about 3 years at least i think |
| [05:04:42] | fphillips: | look at the oldest package installs if there is a log |
| [05:09:04] | k-man: | fphillips, ah thats an idea |
| [05:12:26] | k-man: | fphillips, yeah march 2010, but i had to reinstall then because of a crash |
| [05:13:02] | k-man: | ls -ld /lost+found is a good way to determine age as it is created when the fs is created |
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| [05:20:49] | fphillips: | ah yes, or tune2fs -l if you have ext* |
| [05:31:19] | k-man: | fphillips, ah yeah nice find |
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| [10:25:34] | k-man: | very quiet tonight |
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| [11:59:11] | |PSU|: | can anyone recommend a decent 2-way splitter to be used with the Hauppauge WinTV DCR-2650? i read a few posts where SiliconDust recommended using splitters rated for "50Mhz-900Mhz or 50Mhz-1000Mhz operation" with the HDHomeRun but wasn't sure what to look for. I had a generic 5–1000 MHz splitter (-3.5dB on each output) that just started to crap out (some channels were choppy, etc.). what's a decent quality replacement that works with |
| [12:02:21] | wagnerrp: | the issue is that you need a splitter designed to allow signals to propagate back upstream |
| [12:02:59] | wagnerrp: | the <50MHz band is used for a secondary modem used for bidirectional communication with the cable headend |
| [12:03:26] | wagnerrp: | and a standard full-spectrum splitter is going to cause problems with that |
| [12:03:48] | wagnerrp: | however, it should not be causing disruption of received signal |
| [12:04:11] | wagnerrp: | it should cause loss of synchronization between the tuner and headend, resulting in it refusing to operate |
| [12:10:08] | |PSU|: | hmm. is there a special splitter designed to work in this manner? |
| [12:10:30] | wagnerrp: | sure, anything designed to work with digital cable boxes or cable modems |
| [12:10:36] | wagnerrp: | they all suffer from the same problem |
| [12:10:46] | wagnerrp: | as they are all transmitters, rather than simple receivers |
| [12:11:56] | |PSU|: | ah, ok. so it really doesn't matter what you get? |
| [12:12:07] | wagnerrp: | yes, it does |
| [12:12:23] | wagnerrp: | most generic cheap splitters will cause problems for cable modems and digital cable boxes |
| [12:12:57] | wagnerrp: | and most powered amps will make them unable to function |
| [12:13:40] | peitolm: | if your signal is borderline, you may have problems with a splitter taking the SNR too low |
| [12:13:53] | |PSU|: | okay, so with that said...can you recommend a specific make/model? |
| [12:14:36] | wagnerrp: | how many devices are you actually trying to push? an unamped cable line can generally be expected to power at least four devices reliably |
| [12:15:20] | |PSU|: | (2) — DCR-2650 and basic Comcast HD receiver |
| [12:15:45] | |PSU|: | sitting right next to each other as well |
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| [13:03:19] | |PSU|: | wagnerrp: would you recommend something like the Monster 2 Way 2 GigaHertz RF Splitter (http://www.amazon.com/Gigahertz-Low-Loss-Spli . . . roduct_top)? |
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| [13:09:20] | wagnerrp: | cable only operates at 1GHz |
| [13:09:27] | wagnerrp: | you only need 2GHz operation if you use satellite |
| [13:09:55] | wagnerrp: | satellite operates at 8–12GHz, with a superhet on the dish that drops the signals to 1–2GHz |
| [13:10:35] | wagnerrp: | besides that, i would never touch anything 'Monster' |
| [13:10:39] | |PSU|: | :P |
| [13:18:33] | |PSU|: | wagnerrp: so you had mentioned, "most generic cheap splitters will cause problems for cable modems and digital cable boxes." what would be a good 1000MHz splitter for my application? |
| [13:19:10] | wagnerrp: | anything that specifically states that it allows 5–50MHz traffic back upstream for digital cable |
| [13:19:48] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the cheap unidirectional splitters more commonly found, and perfectly acceptable for analog cable and broadcast TV |
| [13:24:07] | |PSU|: | any brand recommendations? :) |
| [13:24:17] | wagnerrp: | nope, never had to use one |
| [13:24:42] | wagnerrp: | ive got a bunch of the cheap couple $ unidirectional splitters from radio shack and lowes |
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| [16:24:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: is http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/509342#509342 the "remaining" issue for the scanner change? (it seems to imply that overriding the artwork dirs on the remote backend allowed arwork to be downloaded) |
| [16:25:12] | sphery: | i.e. he didn't have the override for video, but it worked, but he still needs the override for artwork |
| [16:25:28] | wagnerrp: | thats correct |
| [16:25:38] | sphery: | so what do we want it to do? |
| [16:25:42] | wagnerrp: | videos will fall through to the master's storage groups for scanning |
| [16:25:51] | wagnerrp: | but pushing artwork remotely will not |
| [16:26:03] | sphery: | ah, ok, so dirs existed on his remote |
| [16:26:31] | wagnerrp: | they existed, but they were not defined in mythtv-setup |
| [16:26:32] | sphery: | but there was no remote-specific override for the dir list, and it didn't inherit the mbe's dirlist |
| [16:27:08] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: rather than make a late change to remote storage group writes |
| [16:27:26] | wagnerrp: | would it be better for the video scanner just to have the remote backend just execute the image download? |
| [16:27:35] | sphery: | so we want it to just inherit the mbe's dir list for writing (versus the "looser" inheritance done for reading--which could use dir list of all SGs) |
| [16:27:50] | wagnerrp: | bypass the issue entirely |
| [16:28:06] | wagnerrp: | at the expense of the rare setup where the slave backend cannot actually access the internet |
| [16:28:16] | wagnerrp: | due to beyond funky network restrictions |
| [16:28:18] | sphery: | would the remote backend still need to define an override? |
| [16:28:39] | wagnerrp: | of that, im not entirely sure |
| [16:30:36] | wagnerrp: | i havent actually checked whether the issue only exists for remote writes |
| [16:30:43] | wagnerrp: | or if the local definition is needed for reads as well |
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| [17:09:44] | blathijs: | Hi folks. Anyone know if Jarod Wilson hangs out here? |
| [17:10:03] | wagnerrp: | !seen j-rod |
| [17:10:04] | MythLogBot: | j-rod was last seen 151 days 24 minutes 55 seconds ago |
| [17:10:08] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [17:10:27] | peitolm: | well, we know, but he doesn;t :P |
| [17:11:54] | stuartm: | blathijs: he's in #linuxtv if you want him |
| [17:12:12] | blathijs: | Thanks! |
| [17:12:18] | wagnerrp: | and possibly #lirc |
| [17:12:30] | stuartm: | he's also in #mythtv, but better to seek him out in #linuxtv (or #lirc) |
| [17:12:40] | blathijs: | Ah, #lirc is more on-topic, thanks |
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| [17:17:33] | peitolm: | does anyone know what capture devices are known to work with mythtv on OSX? |
| [17:18:56] | wagnerrp: | firewire and the HDHR |
| [17:19:14] | wagnerrp: | and thats only because the HDHR doesnt actually work with OSX |
| [17:19:41] | peitolm: | eh? doesn't that contradict what you just said? |
| [17:20:10] | peitolm: | or do you mean, firewire capture from an HDHR works, |
| [17:20:34] | wagnerrp: | firewire... from a digital cable box |
| [17:20:49] | peitolm: | oh, you mean firewire, and HDHR |
| [17:20:53] | wagnerrp: | or an HDHR, communicating over the network directly, and not reliant on any form of system drivers |
| [17:21:05] | peitolm: | right, i understand you now |
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| [17:21:18] | peitolm: | finally, a place wher the oxford comma may have helped :) |
| [17:22:43] | peitolm: | right, those are DVB-T/DVB-C (the latter can't be connected to the UK cable network :( ) |
| [17:23:25] | peitolm: | hmm, £95, that's not too bad |
| [17:24:04] | peitolm: | don't suppose you know of a DVB-S[2] option? |
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| [17:24:52] | peitolm: | hnm, there's the eyetv sat that may work, has anyone tried it? |
| [17:25:41] | stuartm: | DVB-S for OSX? |
| [17:25:46] | peitolm: | yeah |
| [17:26:15] | peitolm: | i don't actually have dvb-t, so i use a pvr-350 capturing my cable box at the moment |
| [17:26:36] | wagnerrp: | peitolm: mythtv does not support any of the tuner APIs available on OSX |
| [17:26:37] | stuartm: | I've not heard of anything, it was rumoured at one point that there might be a DVB-S/DVB-S2 HDHR |
| [17:27:12] | peitolm: | wagnerrp: o.k., so the network eyetv Sat sounds like it might have to be done, |
| [17:27:32] | stuartm: | TBH using OSX for a backend is an uphill struggle, if the box is only going to be used as a backend for mythtv and nothing else it's probably better to put linux on it |
| [17:27:39] | wagnerrp: | i didnt actually know there was a networked eyetv unit |
| [17:28:05] | wagnerrp: | there is some 'nessiedvb' or something like that |
| [17:28:24] | stuartm: | that will halve your costs, a PCI/PCI-e DVB-S2 tuner can be had for under £50 last I checked |
| [17:28:25] | wagnerrp: | a dual DVB-S/2 ARM box |
| [17:28:33] | wagnerrp: | you could potentially stuff a slave backend on there |
| [17:28:48] | wagnerrp: | but with only 128MB of memory, its going to be tight |
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| [17:28:56] | peitolm: | wagnerrp: http://www.elgato.com/elgato/int/mainmenu/pro . . . uct1.en.html |
| [17:29:14] | wagnerrp: | its intended to be used with the linux virtualdvb driver |
| [17:29:20] | wagnerrp: | which functions like a loopback device |
| [17:29:43] | peitolm: | i have the cards, so i might just get a 2.5" adapter and run the captures as on-demand slaves |
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| [17:30:12] | peitolm: | MythTV is clever enough to not shutdown a slave at the end of a recording if another tuner is in use, isn't it? |
| [17:30:34] | wagnerrp: | only if mythtv is using the other tuner |
| [17:30:46] | peitolm: | yes, that's what i meant, cool |
| [17:31:03] | wagnerrp: | considering its going to consume all of a couple watts |
| [17:31:07] | peitolm: | a tuner-less master backend isn't supported is it? |
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| [17:31:14] | wagnerrp: | im not sure what use it would be in having it shut down when idle |
| [17:31:32] | peitolm: | my current master draws more than a couple of watts |
| [17:31:36] | wagnerrp: | eew |
| [17:31:44] | wagnerrp: | er... mac mini? |
| [17:32:03] | peitolm: | which? new master? no, it's a mac pro |
| [17:32:38] | wagnerrp: | i thought Mac Pros were all multi-socket systems |
| [17:32:43] | wagnerrp: | >>> a couple watts |
| [17:32:48] | peitolm: | yes |
| [17:33:15] | wagnerrp: | not sure why you would buy a mac pro as a backend though |
| [17:33:17] | peitolm: | this is less about saving power, more about streamlining the hom network |
| [17:33:25] | peitolm: | I'm not buying it, I already have one |
| [17:33:39] | peitolm: | (and not all mac pro's are dual socket) |
| [17:33:48] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre just done using it as a workstation, and are repurposing it as a server? |
| [17:34:02] | peitolm: | yes |
| [17:34:28] | peitolm: | it will draw less than the current systems, (it's on par now), as i'll be taking the 5870 out |
| [17:35:02] | wagnerrp: | was just going to mention if you were buying it new, you could buy all the parts in it and build your own server for far less |
| [17:35:02] | peitolm: | I also have a mac mini, but attaching the storage I'd need is more expensive than I want to pay |
| [17:35:13] | peitolm: | *nods* |
| [17:35:27] | wagnerrp: | not that mac pros are especially expensive |
| [17:35:34] | peitolm: | they are new |
| [17:35:38] | wagnerrp: | more that all commercial server systems are that expensive |
| [17:36:14] | peitolm: | the mac pro isn't a great "server", it doesn't have the harddrive capacity, but it does have pci-e slots, which the mac mini doesn't |
| [17:37:40] | peitolm: | nesiedvb looks good, but a little expensive |
| [17:38:13] | peitolm: | wagnerrp: how badly will things go wrong if i don't have a tuner in the master? |
| [17:38:20] | wagnerrp: | its untested |
| [17:38:44] | wagnerrp: | last i heard, there were some weird things going on with the scheduler, or maybe disk scheduler |
| [17:38:51] | wagnerrp: | due to the assumption the master would have storage |
| [17:39:18] | peitolm: | ah, in this case, the master will have the storage (which is why it's the master) |
| [17:40:27] | peitolm: | I don't know how good the NFS server is in osx, so I may have some spinning rust in the slave, but not if i can help it |
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| [17:42:17] | peitolm: | might give it a go on the mac mini first |
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| [17:42:56] | wagnerrp: | note, the nessiedvb guy was in here several months back |
| [17:43:07] | wagnerrp: | and we advised him against trying to run mythbackend on it |
| [17:43:18] | wagnerrp: | due to the memory limitations |
| [17:43:49] | peitolm: | any ideas if there will be support for the nessiedvb via some kind of 'network tuner' interface? |
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| [17:44:32] | wagnerrp: | yes, the vtuner driver in linux |
| [17:44:42] | wagnerrp: | it creates a standard DVB interface in /dev |
| [17:44:48] | wagnerrp: | just like any other physically attached tuner |
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| [17:44:55] | peitolm: | *nods* linux specific then |
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