Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, March 19th, 2012, 00:03 UTC

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Beirdo:

just under an hour to my baseball auction draft.

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knightr_:

Beirdo, thanks, I'll try emailing him.. Anyway I already have to contacti him about another translation issue in MythMusic

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sid3windr:

anyone using the irblaster.info blasters? the domain containing the apparently useful setup instructions has expired :[

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knightr_:

(I know there's a translation problem but I don't know how to trigger it...)

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sid3windr:

and I'm not seeing any IR activity with my cellphone's camera to know if it's working (but maybe IR is filtered these days?)

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knightr_:

Beirdo, I guess I better hurry, it's already passed midnight for him...

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Beirdo:

heh, yeah

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Beirdo:

well, I think if you just need to make a string change, you can ask for a minor extension of the string freeze to get the answer.

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Beirdo:

after all, the string freeze is for your benefit :)

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knightr_:

Beirdo, thing is if we find additionnal strings which are not translatable (similar to some I've just committed fixes for) I am sure all translators will want us to unfreeze to add them (but only them, not additional ones which weren't present before)...

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Beirdo:

well, the idea of the freeze is to draw a line so you guys can finalize the translation for a release

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knightr_:

If I can get this fix in tonight though I'll warn the translators about it...

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Beirdo:

I'd think we can deal with having untranslatable strings still into the next cycle if we need to

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knightr_:

yep, not add additional strings but I am sure no translated wants to see a string untranslated in the middle of a screen...

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knightr_:

s/translated/translator

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Beirdo:

hehe, so true

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Beirdo:

gotta draw the line somewhere, of course

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knightr_:

If I need to make additional strings translatable I'll make sure they are aware of it and ask them to report (if it's low volume on the mailing list) any issue they encounter...

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sphery:

knightr_: is it MythArchive or MythGallery?

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knightr_:

sphery, LOL sorry, it's MythGallery, looks like somebody's contagious... :) :)

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sphery:

Beirdo: ^^^

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knightr_:

sphery, who'se responsible for the PPC (Power PC?) builbot?

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knightr_:

s/who'se/who's

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knightr_:

got an internal error on it...

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sphery:

not sure who's running that one-- Beirdo would know

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sphery:

(and may actually be running it?)

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Beirdo:

one of my ex-coworkers

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knightr_:

sphery, thanks!

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Beirdo:

hmm, it might just need a boot to the head

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knightr_:

Beirdo, unless I am misreading the log, looks like I caused an internal error with one of my commits... (or actually it decided to crash while processing my commits...)

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Beirdo:

it could just be a low on memory issue or something

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Beirdo:

I'd try forcing another build to see if it fixes it

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Beirdo:

meanwhile, I need to make ma a pot of coffee for my baseball draft

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sid3windr:

yay, blaster working, but remote file is not 100% it seems

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knightr_:

Beirdo, BTW, I was confused earlier, I meant MythGallery and not MythArchive... I would like to rename directory to folder when it's used as a way to organize (and not actually an on disk structure...)

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knightr_:

sphery, do you know how to force a build? (though I doubt I can force one even under my normal IRC account)

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Beirdo:

knightr_: feel free to make that string change in mythgallery :)

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knightr_:

Beirdo, Thank you and sorry about the confusion earlier, if I didn't have to fix 2–3 things before doing so I would go to bed early today (I have a bad headache...)

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jya:

k-man: yes, I can reproduce it still.. it's less annoying with Qt 4.8.0 but it's still there. I know exactly how to rproduce it. luckily, it doesn't affect the main usage

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k-man:

jya, yeah i get it in the mythtv-setup app, which makes setting up a bit tricky

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k-man:

do you have any idea why it happens?

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jya:

no

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bill6502:

wagnerrp: I've been out of town for the last week, did you find a way to care for the case where binding to IP addresses fails when the backend starts? I've removed my listen-test program and all is well.

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wagnerrp:

not at current, no

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wagnerrp:

rather, i have one, but ive not applied it

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bill6502:

Thanks, maybe I bought some magic back from Towanda, PA. I'll keep the sleep 5 in the upstart Wiki for now.

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wagnerrp:

i have a chunk of code that adds in a 60 second loop if system uptime is <120 seconds

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wagnerrp:

but decided not to add it that far into the freeze

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wagnerrp:

anyone ever used the php interactive shell?

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, ive got it

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wagnerrp:

youve got to use the screwy <?php before it starts working

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wagnerrp:

lousy php... why cant the same function return string and array lengths...

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: ok, greek filter actually should work now

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wagnerrp:

wow... i think the whole 184.82.186/24 is just a block of wiki spammers

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wagnerrp:

nope, 'uniq' just sucks

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wagnerrp:

only some 26 addresses from that block have tried to create new accounts for spam

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wagnerrp:

apparently i dont have permission to see who registered that block

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wagnerrp:

... fun

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MrShakeTouchpad:

hey sphery, you around?

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sphery:

MrShakeTouchpad: yeah

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MrShakeTouchpad:

you hepled me a few weeks ago with duplicate 0gb recirdings

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MrShakeTouchpad:

you suggested increasing timeouts

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sphery:

yeah, seems a lot of people are noticing those, now

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MrShakeTouchpad:

it worked

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sphery:

oh?

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MrShakeTouchpad:

yea

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sphery:

what did you end up doing

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MrShakeTouchpad:

7000 and 10000 timeouts

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sphery:

interesting

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MrShakeTouchpad:

may have ben 5 and 7

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MrShakeTouchpad:

tried 3 and 5 first

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MrShakeTouchpad:

still had dupps

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MrShakeTouchpad:

gone completely now

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sphery:

yeah, I probably would have recommended 3000/5500

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sphery:

only in live tv, right?

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MrShakeTouchpad:

yea

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sphery:

like http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10097

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MrShakeTouchpad:

basically same

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MrShakeTouchpad:

i saw the dups in watch recordings

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sphery:

would you like to add a comment to that ticket that said you saw the same and after increasing your tuning and signal timeouts to 7000/10000, they went away

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sphery:

or I can if you don't want to

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sphery:

btw, which capture device?

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MrShakeTouchpad:

hdhomerun

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sphery:

interesting, I'd expect it would work with lower timeouts

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sphery:

that would explain why, though, people who upgrade from 0.24-fixes are seeing the 0B files all of a suddent

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MrShakeTouchpad:

tracker thinks im spam

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sphery:

hehe, weird

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sphery:

I'll post a comment, then

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MrShakeTouchpad:

k

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sphery:

want your IRC nick for attribution or something else?

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sphery:

(or "a user on IRC" if you want to be anon)

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MrShakeTouchpad:

i dont care

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MrShakeTouchpad:

just want to help

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sphery:

is this an HDHR Prime or just HDHR?

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MrShakeTouchpad:

notbprime

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sphery:

ok, thanks

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sphery:

and you're using master or 0.25beta, now (not 0.24-fixes), right?

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MrShakeTouchpad:

no

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MrShakeTouchpad:

0.24 fixes still

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sphery:

ok

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MrShakeTouchpad:

im 99% sure

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sphery:

thanks for the follow up

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sphery:

hope that helps others

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sphery:

and maybe this time I'll remember to suggest that for other people

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knightr_:

sphery, It worked with fromUtf8() though I am not entirely sure why...

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wagnerrp:

so since the logging mechanism didnt seem to be working in the spamfilter wiki extension

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wagnerrp:

i just set it to do basic file logging

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wagnerrp:

and that was about an hour ago

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sphery:

knightr_: good to know... it looks like what's happening is the C pre-processor replaces the \u unicode escape with the UTF-8 character, then it goes to the compiler, so you need to use a function that expects UTF-8 (and pretty much all the constructors for QString expect ASCII)

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wagnerrp:

in that time, there have been three blocked attempts

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wagnerrp:

in other words... we get a full order of magnitude more spam against trac as we do the wiki

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if that is due to the captcha blocking a large portion before it ever gets to the point i log it

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sphery:

that would make sense

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knightr_:

sphery, it's most likely something like that because it should not matter whether it's UTF-8, UTF-16 or UTF-32, (LE or BE), these are just encoding, the character passed by \u stays the same...

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wagnerrp:

im still waiting in anticipation of seeing milf at gmail.com get authenticated

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sphery:

yeah, I did some reading up on it because you had me curious on which part was actually processing the unicode escape

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knightr_:

LOL, thank you!

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knightr_:

Does that look OK now? http://www.pastebin.ca/2129782

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knightr_:

BTW, I can provide pictures which show a mix on English and Chinese if you're interested.. :) :)

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sphery:

knightr_: looks good

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sphery:

I'll trust you on it--no need for pictures, I'll see it when I upgrade :)

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sphery:

feel free to commit

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knightr_:

thanks, one more thing to do (actually 2) and then it's sleep time, I need it... (problem is I think the directory->folder renaming requires me to change text in a theme and that will require review... :) )

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

if it's just default* themes, I'd say it falls under your normal translation duties

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knightr_:

sphery, it's not between quotes... :)

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sphery:

if it's another one, it would definitely be good to get the author's/maintainters approval first

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sphery:

still, it's translation

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knightr_:

I know but so is adding tr() and other translation calls... :)

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** knightr_ is ROTFL... **

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sphery:

agreed :)

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[R]:

ffs, i had a ground loop in my video, somehow managed to solve it, then i screwed around with my backend, and now its back

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wagnerrp:

[R]: would you say your television viewing is venturing into a zone of danger?

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[R]:

no, i can tune it out for the most part

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[R]:

but i can see it if i pay close attentino

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wagnerrp:

how would you phrase that?

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[R]:

?

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[R]:

is there some reference im missing?

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wagnerrp:

tonight's archer

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

i dindt record one tonight...

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** [R] checks listings **

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wagnerrp:

erm not tonight...

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wagnerrp:

when is it on?

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wagnerrp:

last week or something

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

you talkinga bout the space one?

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wagnerrp:

looks like thursday

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Bash123:

hi guys

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ServerSage:

So when I click on "Install JW Player" it asks for a user/pass. I can't figure out where that is set, any ideas?

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Captain_Murdoch:

ServerSage, that's the admin page username/password. admin/mythtv is the default I believe.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'll see what I can do about that for 0.25 since the setup/admin section is disabled currently so no one needs the password for anything else.

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nukenn:

i can use mythtv with my TV by the ethernet?

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nukenn:

my tv supports dlna

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nukenn:

i've noticed that dlna it's not supported

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nukenn:

because it's a proprietary implementation

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nukenn:

how I can use mythtv by the ethernet ?

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wagnerrp:

ideally, you stick another PC running mythfrontend on that ethernet cable

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wagnerrp:

and connect the PC to your tv

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peitolm:

it has a dnla server

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wagnerrp:

in a pinch, UPnP/DLNA devices _should_ work

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peitolm:

not all the functionality is supported

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wagnerrp:

but note, mythtv does not do any transcoding

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wagnerrp:

so the file gets streamed to the device as it exists on disk

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wagnerrp:

if your device cannot handle the device in that manner, then there is nothing mythtv will do about it

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stuartm:

a european TV should be able to handle mpeg-ts and mpeg2/h.264 since it does so for broadcast, whether they accept that for upnp is another matter entirely

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats the issue

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wagnerrp:

for example, the PS3 can handle most things you throw at it

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wagnerrp:

but it is very selected for anything not in an m2ts container

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devinheitmueller:

I really should stop reading the channel logs. Watching people trying to get their device working is like a train wreck.

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jm|laptop:

trying to play SD or HD programmes through my Blu-ray player from mythtv makes the BR hard lock to such an extent that the power button doesn't even work to turn it off >.<

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jm|laptop:

via dlna

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sid3windr:

sounds like it's junk :>

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sphery:

jm|laptop: we actually implement DLNB, not DLNA. DNLB is the Digital Living Network Boatanchor API.

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quicksilver:

do consumer bluray players make good boatanchors?

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quicksilver:

I woudl think they're a bit light.

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wagnerrp:

sure, for little RC boats

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jm|laptop:

oh. Maybe it finds it via upnp then

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: you still around?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: yup

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wagnerrp:

i recall hearing that part of the cablecard thing back in 2010 remove the firewire requirement

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wagnerrp:

and am finding a few articles indicating such

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wagnerrp:

but nothing in the actual FCC regs about that

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wagnerrp:

they still list the requirement effective as of 2004

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devinheitmueller:

To my knowledge the firewire requirement hasn't been removed, although waivers have been granted for certain manufacturers/products.

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wagnerrp:

ah, so the 2004 requirement of making them available still exists

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wagnerrp:

but the 2005 requirement that all boxes support firewire was removed?

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devinheitmueller:

There was talk about being able to offer Ethernet as an alternative, but I am pretty sure that hasn't happened.

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devinheitmueller:

To my knowledge, firewire is still required.

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wagnerrp:

that was "allvid" or something wasnt it?

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devinheitmueller:

(to the shagrin of set top box manufacturers, since the licensing for Firewire is relatively expensive compared to Ethernet)

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devinheitmueller:

Allvid is different.

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devinheitmueller:

crap. meeting. bbiab.

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wagnerrp:

theres some thing here effective dec 1, 2012... 'comply with an open industry standard that provides for audiovisual communication including service discovery, video transport, and remote control command pass-through standards for home networking'

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wagnerrp:

sounds like upnp/dlna to be honest

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devinheitmueller:

I think the Dec 1, 2012 thing is what's going to be Allvid.

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: basically, im just trying to come up with something to make this guy stop dicking around and just get a cablecard tuner... http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=Firewire_Cable_B . . . p;rcid=56767

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devinheitmueller:

And I believe the intention is for it to be upnp based.

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wagnerrp:

upnp-based.. but with allowances for encryption

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wagnerrp:

most likely anyway

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: yes, definitely.

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wagnerrp:

we must uphold the almighty DRM

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wagnerrp:

all bow before its restrictive gaze

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: (such as DTCP)

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devinheitmueller:

Firewire is conceptually nice, but it's totally a mixed bag from a compatibility standpoint.

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stuartm:

the DMA requirement of firewire makes it a complete security nightmare, these days I'd actively seek out boards without firewire

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wagnerrp:

its no different from an esata port

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ThemePainter is now functional again?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yes, after my commit with a rant message

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sphery:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/fa639a77c

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wagnerrp:

oof... something bad just happened

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wagnerrp:

windows cut off my display for about a minute, and now is slowy bringing applications back up

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sid3windr:

video driver crashed?

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wagnerrp:

something like that

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wagnerrp:

both displays on the primary card kicked out, then the third display followed suit a couple seconds later

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sid3windr:

yeah, sounds like that

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sid3windr:

it's nice that I can recover that , since vista

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sid3windr:

only saw it happen a few times and never on my own computer but it seems to work somewhat

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHAHA

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wagnerrp:

themoviedb.org is currently not allowing logins, due to some error, or some server being down, or something...

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wagnerrp:

so the error page directs you to the forums

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wagnerrp:

where you cannot seek help because you cannot log in

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sid3windr:

works for me

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wagnerrp:

i keep getting a 500

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wagnerrp:

time to restart firefox i suppose

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wagnerrp:

perhaps a cookie...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, seems a broken cookie

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wagnerrp:

sphery: apparently smallville is getting a spinoff

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sphery:

hehe, wonder which it will be

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wagnerrp:

green arrow

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Bash123:

hey guys, anyone know why i get this error trying to scan for channels WARNING: filter timeout pid 0x0011

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Bash123:

checked the forums and archives and no real answer could be found

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peitolm:

is it possible to set a short cut to change the display that mythTV uses (preferably whilst a stream is playing)

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wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

best you can do is some external program to change the relevant database settings, and then trigger a cache clear, and a jump to the UI re-init used by the theme chooser

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peitolm:

crumbs

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TheAsp:

Any idea whats up with this? mythbackend[31012]: E LinuxController linuxfirewiredevice.cpp:1

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TheAsp:

005 (has_data) LFireDev: Select Error#012#011#011#011eno: Interrupted system call (4)

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TheAsp:

Happens when I fire it up with firewire in broadcast mode

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