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| [00:14:13] | coop: | anyone have any speculations as to using the new [1080p / A5 ] Apple TV 2 as a frontend? |
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| [00:32:24] | k-man: | coop, is there a new 1080p apple TV? |
| [00:33:16] | k-man: | apparantly so! |
| [00:35:00] | ertyu-m: | its the old one, just with 1080p |
| [00:36:09] | k-man: | i bet it can only play 1080p when encoded in a very specific codec |
| [00:36:28] | k-man: | err.. that terminology doesnt quite sound right but you get what i mean |
| [00:37:34] | wagnerrp: | if that specific codec is h264, and restricted to only a small subset of the whole feature set, then yes |
| [00:37:54] | wagnerrp: | it can probably do mjpeg too |
| [00:38:30] | k-man: | does the apple TV out of the box offer any method of playing local content? i thought it didn't? |
| [00:39:12] | wagnerrp: | at least the previous appletv has no local content |
| [00:39:25] | wagnerrp: | only 8GB of flash, and that is reserved for apps |
| [00:39:42] | k-man: | wagnerrp, oh i kind of meant on the local network |
| [00:40:36] | wagnerrp: | likely anything it can find through DAAP and AFS |
| [00:40:49] | wagnerrp: | it may have a native UPNP browser |
| [00:41:52] | ertyu-m: | airplay |
| [00:41:57] | ertyu-m: | does it do dlna? |
| [00:42:18] | wagnerrp: | for most intents and purposes, dlna == upnp |
| [00:42:35] | wagnerrp: | and i though airplay was intended as a push architecture |
| [00:43:02] | wagnerrp: | your PC or iPhone would push to the ATV over airplay, not the ATV pulling from one of those devices |
| [00:43:14] | ertyu-m: | ya, probably |
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| [00:54:21] | k-man: | i currently use shairtunes to do audio airplay |
| [00:54:37] | k-man: | works well – i'm looking forward to .25 having airplay support |
| [00:55:05] | k-man: | i need to upgrade my mythtv box though – its feeling a little old these days |
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| [01:59:07] | drac_boy: | hi |
| [02:00:02] | drac_boy: | know this might be a bit OT but any of you had any suggestion for a light video player? (perhaps something that'll depend on gstreamer for the codecs too) |
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| [02:03:21] | wagnerrp: | mplayer, kaffeine, totem, ... |
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| [02:06:17] | drac_boy: | hm not sure how I didn't noticed mplayer but thats pretty much what I was looking for. thanks wagnerrp. btw kaffeine had been kinda out of the question due to kde dependency |
| [02:06:23] | drac_boy: | brb |
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| [02:12:27] | wagnerrp: | totem is gnome's kaffeine |
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| [02:24:28] | drac_boy: | think I'll give mplayer a try tomorrow when I have time to compile again |
| [02:24:31] | drac_boy: | btw thanks :) |
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| [02:53:16] | drac_boy: | btw apparently theres a mplayer2 from a different dev team and its supposed to be an improvement on mplayer |
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| [03:28:03] | tmkt: | hey hey...so any guide to airplay? it seems on the iphone side to be working |
| [03:28:10] | tmkt: | but nothing displaying on the tv |
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| [03:28:33] | tmkt: | just a bunch of 2-03–07 22:28:12.082943 I Method: GET URI: /scrub |
| [03:28:33] | tmkt: | 2012-03–07 22:28:12.082999 I AirPay: Scrub: (get) returned 0 of 0 |
| [03:28:34] | tmkt: | messages |
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| [03:39:00] | jya: | where are those videos from? |
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| [15:30:40] | swerve: | so i keep having std::bad_alloc errors with mythtv-backend. |
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| [15:31:06] | swerve: | i removed some ram to run in dual channel, but it's still dying |
| [15:31:22] | swerve: | no other program seems to be affected – apache, mysql, etc. |
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| [15:56:13] | jimbolaya: | Hi. My upgrade/reinstallation of MythTV seems to be going backwards. I'm a little frustrated at this point. |
| [15:56:44] | jimbolaya: | I keep getting sidetracked by apparently irrelevant errors. |
| [15:58:40] | jimbolaya: | I removed all the database files, I removed all the packages and tried starting over from scratch. |
| [15:59:51] | jimbolaya: | I reinstalled the Ubuntu packages from the mythbuntu packages using 0.25 since I've got a Ceton. |
| [16:01:56] | jimbolaya: | When I run mythtv-setup, I get the Country/Language dialog, but there's no Language list. Looking in the kern.log I see lots of errors about libQtCore.so.4.6.2 segfaulting. |
| [16:02:23] | jimbolaya: | Can anyone help. This should be as clean an install as installing from scratch. |
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| [16:04:12] | jimbolaya: | I think if I don't get a response here, I'll try posting to the mailing list, but I haven't got much hope from a response there either. |
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| [16:13:16] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I'm thinking about making a meta mythplugins ebuild that has USE flags for each of the plugins and that way its less overall ebuilds to maintain |
| [16:13:20] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: thoughts? |
| [16:14:45] | wagnerrp: | i never really through of independent plugins as difficult to maintain |
| [16:14:58] | wagnerrp: | i mean all the real meat is contained in the eclass |
| [16:15:12] | wagnerrp: | the individual ebuilds are little more than lists of dependencies |
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| [16:15:35] | wagnerrp: | and with a script renaming them and adding the git bits for updates... |
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| [16:17:00] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: there's also the possibility that some or most of the plugins will be going away in future releases |
| [16:17:07] | wagnerrp: | following mythvideo into the core |
| [16:17:41] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: That's kind of why I thought to make the mythplugins meta |
| [16:17:49] | Cardoe: | It would make transitions into the core easier to follow |
| [16:17:52] | Cardoe: | for users |
| [16:18:21] | Cardoe: | Its not that they're difficult to maintain, its just more commits and such |
| [16:18:24] | wagnerrp: | when you say a meta... would this be like the php extensions meta ebuild? |
| [16:18:49] | wagnerrp: | the individual ebuilds are still separate, but all the user has to do is install 'mythplugins' |
| [16:18:59] | wagnerrp: | and it will carry through all of its children? |
| [16:23:30] | swerve: | here is the error log with all the backtraces, etc. : http://pastebin.com/7GSLCkAD |
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| [16:28:14] | swerve: | can anyone tell me what that indicates? my other programs aren't doing that, only myth |
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| [17:09:48] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: No. I was thinking it would install the plugins as is |
| [17:09:58] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: so meta was a bad word |
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| [17:30:00] | trumee: | Is there any workaround for bug #10197 |
| [17:31:18] | trumee: | i have been wrestling with getting mythwelcome to trigger wakeup for hours. |
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| [17:31:35] | trumee: | should have checked the bug list |
| [17:32:01] | trumee: | wagnerrp, any idea of a workaround? |
| [17:32:31] | wagnerrp: | nope, never used mythwelcome |
| [17:37:58] | trumee: | wagnerrp, seems some somebody hit this 2 years ago, http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6129729. . . . 6234#6129729 |
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| [18:43:01] | kmcorbett_: | Q: what are best / recommended ways to export TV recordings from MythTV 0.25 to Plex Media Server? and upload from backend (Linux) to Synology NAS. I'm using mythlink.pl and rsync. ideas? |
| [18:44:13] | wagnerrp: | why not just record to the NAS? |
| [18:44:29] | wagnerrp: | or remove the drives from the NAS, and use your backend as the file server? |
| [18:46:35] | kmcorbett_: | mythtv files lack file name cues used by Plex Media Manager to gather metadata. |
| [18:47:45] | kmcorbett_: | NAS has various useful features. Plex sometimes gets multiple files or the same ep, and that works better when the files arrive in the same folder structure. |
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| [18:48:44] | wagnerrp: | write a plugin to PMS to grab the recording list and metadata from mythbackend? |
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| [18:54:37] | kmcorbett_: | yes that's the ideal approach. Plex users have asked for a plugin or rewrite of the mythtv source from XBMC. I've never looked into it. |
| [18:57:09] | kmcorbett_: | Q: for purposes of writing a PMS plugin, what is the Myth API approach? web services? SQL? |
| [18:57:56] | wagnerrp: | since their plugins are written in python, the ideal approach would be either to use the official python bindings, or the new services API |
| [18:58:19] | wagnerrp: | both of which would provide content listings and content streaming from remote backends |
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| [19:03:37] | kmcorbett_: | awesome, thanks. I hadn't considered the advantages of streaming I |
| [19:03:46] | kmcorbett_: | in this scenario. |
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| [19:22:51] | Zan^: | Hi! I'm having some issues with mythgame Amiga emulation; if I put "adf" to file extension, nothing (not even for other emulators) is found, but if it's blank everything works |
| [19:23:07] | Zan^: | except the list contains also files that are not disk images... |
| [19:23:27] | Zan^: | for nintendo "nes" in the extension works as expected |
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| [21:04:21] | drac_boy: | hi |
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| [21:58:03] | wagnerrp: | does anyone have any clue what this means? "I did change the backend Master Ip on the frontend, but thats when i get the connection refused when i try to ssh in." |
| [21:59:14] | wagnerrp: | if i were more of a cynic, i would guess the guy set his backend to listen on port 22, and restarted |
| [21:59:17] | pplmaker: | perhaps he rebooted after the ip change |
| [21:59:45] | wagnerrp: | pplmaker: he cant "ssh in". WTF does that have anything to do with mythtv? |
| [22:01:16] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, so you are saying the mythical media center convergence program doesn't contain a ssh client?!?! WTF BRB OMG BBQ! |
| [22:02:55] | kmcorbett1: | perhaps he wants to connect mythfrontend to the backend with an ssh TCP/IP tunnel. still not a mythtv problem |
| [22:03:55] | trumee: | anybody using mythwelcome? |
| [22:04:04] | wagnerrp: | that still doesnt explain what he could have changed in mythtv that would cause ssh to stop working |
| [22:05:40] | wagnerrp: | Rajil, is that you? |
| [22:05:45] | pplmaker: | it has to do because he's probably not very linux savvy |
| [22:06:24] | wagnerrp: | (someone named Rajil posted the exact same mythwelcome question to the mailing list) |
| [22:07:25] | pplmaker: | lets take that as a compliment – he enabled ssh manually, then kept the server up for months, and then forgot to start ssh after rebooting |
| [22:07:41] | pplmaker: | myth requires no reboots |
| [22:08:23] | pplmaker: | or maybe ssh is bound to a specific IP |
| [22:08:29] | pplmaker: | or maybe he stepped on the cable wtf knows |
| [22:09:29] | pplmaker: | another common issue is that some people dont know that ur supposed to eject a floppy before inserting the next one |
| [22:09:49] | wagnerrp: | whoops! |
| [22:10:05] | wagnerrp: | i had an issue once where my computer's drink tray would no longer retract |
| [22:10:12] | trumee: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [22:10:16] | pplmaker: | what did you do? |
| [22:10:21] | pplmaker: | btw how many floppies will myth25 ship on |
| [22:10:26] | kmcorbett1: | of course using a htpc frontend hides that "insert next floppy" message |
| [22:10:35] | kmcorbett1: | on dos |
| [22:10:44] | wagnerrp: | would that be standard, double, or zip? |
| [22:11:37] | pplmaker: | 1.44, this isnt 1989 after all |
| [22:12:04] | wagnerrp: | not 2.88? |
| [22:12:18] | pplmaker: | maybe someday when they are more common |
| [22:12:40] | wagnerrp: | well sadly we only support MO carts |
| [22:13:15] | pplmaker: | i dunno what that is |
| [22:13:21] | pplmaker: | some kind of punch card? |
| [22:13:24] | wagnerrp: | magneto-optical |
| [22:14:05] | wagnerrp: | looks like a cd in a thick, partially masked jewel case |
| [22:14:20] | wagnerrp: | its the thing they used in the 90s Mission Impossible |
| [22:14:38] | pplmaker: | did you just say 'the 90s mission impossible' |
| [22:14:56] | pplmaker: | i'll attribute that to photographic memory |
| [22:15:24] | wagnerrp: | remember the scene where hes in that CIA room on trapeze equipment? |
| [22:15:37] | pplmaker: | oh you meant the movie |
| [22:15:40] | pplmaker: | i thought you meant the tv show |
| [22:15:55] | wagnerrp: | that wasnt an early CD burner, it was a MO drive |
| [22:16:49] | pplmaker: | i cant believe that movie came out in 96, i thought it at least 5 years later |
| [22:18:26] | pplmaker: | regardless, sucks about them cancelling 'the new mission impossible' |
| [22:19:21] | wagnerrp: | they're actually considering bringing back MO disks |
| [22:19:23] | wagnerrp: | at least in part |
| [22:19:37] | pplmaker: | why? are they very high capacity? |
| [22:20:05] | wagnerrp: | MO disks were magnetically written to, and optically read |
| [22:20:26] | wagnerrp: | you would use a laser to heat a particular bit above the curie point |
| [22:20:39] | wagnerrp: | so a much weaker magnet could write it, and not disrupt the surrounding material |
| [22:20:58] | wagnerrp: | theyre trying to revamp that for hard drives |
| [22:22:03] | wagnerrp: | only they would still be magnetically read... MO disks read the magnetic orientation by some difference in reflective pattern |
| [22:23:11] | pplmaker: | any storage technology is still going to be susceptible to thai flooding |
| [22:24:04] | wagnerrp: | that should be more or less over with |
| [22:25:52] | pplmaker: | ooh theyve got 4tb drives available now |
| [22:26:38] | wagnerrp: | real ones? not a pair of 2TB drives in a box? |
| [22:27:25] | wagnerrp: | fancy that, and for only $400 |
| [22:27:29] | pplmaker: | http://tinyurl.com/88onoz3 |
| [22:27:37] | ** wagnerrp passes ** | |
| [22:28:12] | pplmaker: | i actually bought a new case last year because i ran out of space for disks but its still neat |
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| [22:28:32] | pplmaker: | about the price of 2x2TB no? |
| [22:28:41] | wagnerrp: | not even close |
| [22:29:22] | wagnerrp: | 2TB drives are going for $120, 7200rpm ones start around $150 |
| [22:29:40] | wagnerrp: | last year this time, you could find them for under $80 |
| [22:30:11] | pplmaker: | well $120 if ur willing to get a seagate |
| [22:30:34] | devinheitmueller: | Who knew that the 1TB disk I bought a year ago would *appreciate* in value? |
| [22:31:09] | pplmaker: | disks should be the new gold standard |
| [22:31:18] | wizbit: | there are no flood waters in thailand anymore |
| [22:32:11] | peitolm: | the 3TB are better value now |
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| [22:37:33] | wagnerrp: | $200 for a 3TB... nah, 2TBs are still cheaper |
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| [22:46:33] | peitolm: | bizarre |
| [22:46:40] | peitolm: | that's changed since i bought my 3TB |
| [22:47:55] | peitolm: | 1TB was about 75, 2TB just over 100 and 3TB for 140 for the same range |
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| [22:51:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, 3TB drives got down to around $110 before the flood |
| [22:51:54] | wagnerrp: | were still at about double price |
| [22:53:12] | kormoc: | Seagate also has a 4tb disk, but you can only buy it in a external enclosure right now |
| [22:59:44] | wagnerrp: | im about out of space, and not yet read to buy more hard drives |
| [22:59:50] | wagnerrp: | i need to start clipping some crap |
| [23:00:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont think ive done so in about six months |
| [23:00:40] | sphery: | so, a Retina Display is a display with > 300ppi held at a distance of 12 inches from the eye--unless you're talking about an iPad in which case 264ppi is good enough... |
| [23:00:53] | sphery: | does this mean we have to hold our iPads at 8 inches from the eye? |
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| [23:01:16] | peitolm: | no |
| [23:01:21] | ** sphery hates marketing-based measurements ** | |
| [23:01:32] | wagnerrp: | opposite, about a foot and a half |
| [23:01:52] | sphery: | ah, yeah, farther... |
| [23:01:54] | peitolm: | a retina display is based on a resolution at a distance |
| [23:02:08] | peitolm: | and i believe is something like an arcsecond of angle |
| [23:02:11] | wagnerrp: | a retina display involves lasers and lenses |
| [23:02:17] | wagnerrp: | arcminute |
| [23:02:25] | wagnerrp: | 20/20 vision is one arcminute |
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| [23:02:39] | peitolm: | it's based on visual acuity |
| [23:02:46] | wagnerrp: | theoretical limit is roughly half that |
| [23:02:46] | peitolm: | rather an a specific dpi |
| [23:03:08] | wagnerrp: | a "retina display" is a system that projects an image onto your retina |
| [23:03:17] | wagnerrp: | apples are just a high density display by another name |
| [23:03:52] | sphery: | isn't that a retinal display |
| [23:04:01] | peitolm: | http://www.tuaw.com/2012/03/01/retina-display . . . ng-the-math/ has the mathematics on it |
| [23:04:04] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I thought it was VRD (Virtual Retinal Display) not just Retinal Display |
| [23:04:15] | wagnerrp: | has to be virtual? |
| [23:04:52] | kormoc: | Just was sure that's the 'official' term |
| [23:06:01] | sphery: | no worries, I'm sure apple will sue anyone who uses that name, anyway |
| [23:06:07] | peitolm: | it's pretty much all marketing |
| [23:06:19] | peitolm: | but has some basis in reality |
| [23:06:38] | sphery: | good thing ubiquitous VRD is not on the close horizon |
| [23:06:44] | wagnerrp: | there are advantages to having a high density display |
| [23:07:01] | wagnerrp: | there are even still advantages to having displays too high definition for you to resolve each pixel |
| [23:07:32] | wagnerrp: | while i dislike the name, i cant fault apple for finally bringing such things to the mass market |
| [23:07:48] | peitolm: | i have a hi-res screen on this laptop, and I have to bump up most of the fonts and zoom levels to make it readable |
| [23:07:48] | sphery: | like the advantage of having a 41 megapixel camera in a phone :) |
| [23:07:49] | wagnerrp: | before, they were pretty much limited to very high priced medical imaging equipment |
| [23:08:10] | peitolm: | but it does mean the ui elements take up proportionally a lot less space |
| [23:08:21] | wagnerrp: | it does not mean that at all |
| [23:08:45] | wagnerrp: | it means UI elements on poorly designed systems take up proportionally a lot less space |
| [23:09:01] | peitolm: | exqueezeme? |
| [23:09:09] | sphery: | yes, UI elements that are based on point size (=1/72 in) take up less space |
| [23:09:18] | lis0r: | the whole point of the retina display is that UI controls take the same space |
| [23:09:23] | lis0r: | they just look much much better |
| [23:09:30] | peitolm: | on my hi-res screen, the window bars, and other 'ui element's take up less space on the screen |
| [23:09:38] | lis0r: | only on crummy half-arsed systems does a high res screen result in small ui elements |
| [23:09:41] | wagnerrp: | the whole notion of a vectorized UI is that UI controls take up the same space |
| [23:09:56] | wagnerrp: | this is not some new concept apple came up with |
| [23:09:57] | peitolm: | there are bits that aren't vectorized |
| [23:09:58] | sphery: | (that was a joke... meaning an inch is an inch regardless of point size) |
| [23:10:09] | ** peitolm shrugs ** | |
| [23:10:22] | wagnerrp: | peitolm: thats because whatever UI you are using on that laptop was not designed for high density displays |
| [23:10:36] | wagnerrp: | for example, take mythtv's UI |
| [23:10:53] | peitolm: | by default, the title bar is N pixels, on this hi-res 15" screen its smaller than the normal 15" screen on the other MBP |
| [23:10:53] | kormoc: | peitolm, so you're claiming that an ipad3's ui is smaller then an ipad2's physically? |
| [23:10:54] | peitolm: | nope |
| [23:10:54] | wagnerrp: | one 50" TV will look the same as the next |
| [23:11:18] | wagnerrp: | whether thats a HDTV, a QHDTV, or an old, crappy rear projection SD tube |
| [23:11:28] | peitolm: | kormac, nope, i'm specifically talking about this hi-res screen |
| [23:11:48] | peitolm: | not talking about some 50" plasma, or 6mx3m 8xprojector surround system |
| [23:11:49] | wagnerrp: | the UI is designed to scale to match a percentage of the size of the screen |
| [23:12:09] | peitolm: | well, in that case the scaling is broken |
| [23:12:10] | wagnerrp: | and not try to always consume the exact same number of pixels |
| [23:12:43] | kormoc: | ugh. meaningless statements waste time. Woo |
| [23:13:18] | peitolm: | are you saying that the menubars will be the same physcial height on a 30" cinema screen as on a 11.3" air? |
| [23:13:25] | peitolm: | (give or take dpi differences) |
| [23:13:39] | wagnerrp: | no, im saying if you take two 30" displays, of different resolutions |
| [23:13:45] | wagnerrp: | the elements will be the same size on each |
| [23:13:57] | wagnerrp: | but will be composed of different pixel counts on each |
| [23:14:17] | wagnerrp: | the iPad2 UI and iPad3 UI will look exactly the same |
| [23:14:31] | wagnerrp: | however those UI elements will now be composed of four times the number of pixels |
| [23:14:51] | peitolm: | perhaps it's some oddness with this specifc screen then, becuase it's not working like that for me |
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| [23:15:02] | wagnerrp: | you have an ipad3? |
| [23:15:11] | kormoc: | peitolm, and what OS is this screen running on? |
| [23:15:17] | peitolm: | no, i have a 15" MBP with hires screen, as i said before |
| [23:15:28] | peitolm: | osx 10.7 |
| [23:15:29] | lis0r: | peitolm: which is why I said "only on crummy half-arsed systems does a high res screen result in small ui elements" |
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| [23:15:35] | wagnerrp: | OSX has not yet been updated to properly scale UI elements in that fashion |
| [23:15:43] | wagnerrp: | only iOS has |
| [23:15:45] | lis0r: | a MBP running osx counts as a crummy half arsed system |
| [23:16:00] | lis0r: | they've been failing to make it resolution independent for years upon years |
| [23:16:16] | ** peitolm shrugs, ** | |
| [23:16:19] | kormoc: | 10.8 is getting updated with higher-res ui elements |
| [23:16:32] | kormoc: | but it's not going to be entirely res independent |
| [23:16:49] | peitolm: | the icons etc, are already resolution independent as far as i know, |
| [23:17:14] | wagnerrp: | peitolm: have you ever gone through the "cleartype" setup on a Windows machine? |
| [23:17:28] | peitolm: | i would be rather miffed buying any hi-res screen and still having 1/2" titlebars |
| [23:17:33] | peitolm: | on any OS |
| [23:17:50] | wagnerrp: | peitolm: if your screen is still the same size, why would you want smaller titlebars? |
| [23:18:06] | peitolm: | (with the possible exception of mobile devices where big buttons are probably helpful) |
| [23:18:22] | peitolm: | because they give me more screen space to edit photos amungst other things |
| [23:18:46] | kormoc: | You can enable HiDPI mode in Qartz Debug |
| [23:18:54] | kormoc: | but it only supports 2x |
| [23:19:13] | wagnerrp: | so your UI should allow you to set a different scaling parameter, and resize everything to match |
| [23:19:54] | wagnerrp: | if you want to sit 6" from your monitor, and use 1/8" title bars, it should allow you |
| [23:20:10] | wagnerrp: | of course on a low density display, there wouldnt be enough pixels to read anything |
| [23:20:35] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, 3–4' away from the monitor with standard sized 1/2" title bars would have _very_ clear text |
| [23:20:50] | wagnerrp: | because you actually have enough pixels to do very smooth rendering of the curves |
| [23:20:58] | peitolm: | kormoc: yeah, i thought there was supposed to be some setting for it, but couldn't find it, (ony just upgraded to 10.7 on this laptop) |
| [23:21:05] | wagnerrp: | THAT is what a high density display get syou |
| [23:21:12] | lis0r: | and this is why we can't have nice things: because people with internets assburgers would complain about how they've been gypped out of essentially useless desktop space :( |
| [23:21:30] | peitolm: | ?@lis0r |
| [23:21:33] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to muck about with the subpixel-rendering and antialiasing tricks like the cleartype and other mechanisms did |
| [23:21:40] | peitolm: | wagnerrp: i don't doubt that |
| [23:21:43] | wagnerrp: | your pixels are actually that small |
| [23:21:47] | wagnerrp: | so you just render it directly |
| [23:21:53] | wagnerrp: | fonts are far more legible |
| [23:22:00] | wagnerrp: | images look much smoother |
| [23:22:08] | peitolm: | font smooth just makes things burry as far as i can tell |
| [23:22:17] | lis0r: | ffs |
| [23:22:20] | lis0r: | use a bloody iPhone |
| [23:22:24] | lis0r: | it's not like they're rare |
| [23:22:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, because its using crappy hacks like subpixel rendering and antialiasing |
| [23:22:37] | lis0r: | it should be immeidately apparent why almost every LCD display should be thrown away |
| [23:22:49] | wagnerrp: | rather than actually having enough pixel density to render smoothly |
| [23:22:51] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [23:22:52] | lis0r: | and people should use high res LCDs and quit bitching about losing pointless resolution |
| [23:22:59] | ** peitolm wonders what lis0r's problem is ** | |
| [23:23:11] | peitolm: | who was bitching about losing pointless resolution? |
| [23:23:26] | lis0r: | high resolution LCDs are an absolute beauty, reading on them is an absolute joy, with no bluriness, no eyestrain, nothing |
| [23:23:39] | lis0r: | but you've got to use that resolution properly |
| [23:23:53] | lis0r: | rather than making UIs smaller because idiots don't realise the whole point of the damned things |
| [23:23:57] | ** peitolm agrees with wagnerrp about "subpixel render" ** | |
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| [23:28:01] | peitolm: | goodnight all |
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