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| [00:02:11] | wagnerrp: | did "downton abbey" recently get picked up by netflix or something? |
| [00:02:28] | wagnerrp: | i hadnt heard anything about it, ever... until like a month ago |
| [00:02:36] | wagnerrp: | and now everyone seems to be referring to it |
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| [00:24:16] | Slappy_: | Hello |
| [00:24:37] | Slappy_: | I'm the guy with the transcoding script that exits at 5:00 |
| [00:25:12] | Slappy_: | I tried launching the script from the command line, and it works on certain recordings, transcoding all the way through, but on most others it exits at exactly 5:00 |
| [00:25:18] | wagnerrp: | or rather stalls when 64KB is printed to stdout |
| [00:25:19] | Slappy_: | I think this is a python problem |
| [00:25:23] | Slappy_: | right |
| [00:25:30] | wagnerrp: | yes, it is a python problem |
| [00:25:34] | Slappy_: | I did use the >/dev/null |
| [00:25:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, it is a bindings problem, and has been fixed in 0.25 |
| [00:25:40] | Slappy_: | and it still happens |
| [00:25:53] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you are going over 64KB on stderr as well |
| [00:26:20] | Slappy_: | would that be >/dev/null &>2 |
| [00:26:27] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [00:26:37] | Slappy_: | ok I'll look it up and try it out |
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| [00:27:41] | Slappy_: | Got another question for you regarding storage groups: |
| [00:28:08] | Slappy_: | Lets say I get past hte 64k flood problem and get this working on the backend |
| [00:28:21] | Slappy_: | can that transcode script operate over a remote frontend through the jobqueue? |
| [00:28:44] | wagnerrp: | only if you have those paths mounted in the proper place using NFS |
| [00:28:56] | Slappy_: | ah ok, so its a share |
| [00:29:05] | wagnerrp: | it will not download to a temporary file for the transcoder to operate on |
| [00:29:13] | Slappy_: | thats what I thought |
| [00:29:16] | Slappy_: | thanks agian |
| [00:29:17] | Slappy_: | again |
| [00:29:23] | wagnerrp: | it can, there are mechanisms in the bindings to allow for that |
| [00:30:01] | wagnerrp: | but setting up input and output pipes to pull from the backend, pass through the transcoder, and push back to the backend is a lot more complex |
| [00:30:25] | wagnerrp: | and would only be optional for executables that actually allow the video to pass through stdin/out |
| [00:31:00] | russell5: | do i need to install the hdhomerun libraries to get the dcr 2650 to work? |
| [00:31:13] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR libraries are built into mythtv |
| [00:31:25] | wagnerrp: | there are no dependencies needed to use an HDHR |
| [00:31:42] | wagnerrp: | whether you need network drivers for the -2650, i dont know |
| [00:31:59] | russell5: | do you need network drivers for the prime? i believe they work the same way |
| [00:32:02] | wagnerrp: | i believe it uses some generic network interface that already exists |
| [00:32:21] | wagnerrp: | the prime connects over the existing network |
| [00:32:30] | wagnerrp: | the -2650 produces its own internal network |
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| [00:33:22] | russell5: | yeah nit sure what ip address to put in for adding the tuner. it doesnt show up in ifconfig |
| [00:34:32] | wagnerrp: | you dont put in an ip address, it should get auto-detected |
| [00:34:42] | russell5: | oh ok |
| [00:35:53] | russell5: | yeah mythtv-setup didnt so i might have it setup wrong somewhere |
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| [01:02:46] | bill6502: | skd5aner: Did you disagree with my "This is not urgent after {{gitcommit|a9bf1d3}}" comment in the release notes, or were we just editing at the same time and you won? |
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| [01:08:41] | wagnerrp: | likely the latter |
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| [01:17:37] | bill6502: | wagnerrp: Thanks, I'll put it back. Just figured folks should clean things up when they get time (which in male-speak means before they die.) |
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| [01:35:47] | darkdrgn2k: | hey im getting allot of |
| [01:35:48] | darkdrgn2k: | [ 5053.884499] lirc_zilog: i2c_master_recv failed with -5 — keeping last read buffer |
| [01:35:53] | darkdrgn2k: | from the hdpvr blaster |
| [01:49:39] | russell5: | didnt have usb network on in my kernel dcr 2650 seems to be working now |
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| [02:13:37] | russell5: | last night i upgrade to master (.25) and now dolby audio doesnt work. I am running optical spdif to a receiver. If i uncheck dolby in audio settings everything works and the reciever sees pcm. but if i try to use it no sound at all. When using the sable box through the reciever is works with dolby |
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| [02:28:27] | Slappy: | Hello again, I tried >/dev/null 2>&1 but I'm still getting nearly all transcoded files ending at exactly the 5:00 mark |
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| [02:28:46] | Slappy: | So bizzare... |
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| [02:30:48] | Slappy: | would calling the script as: script.py > file redirect the stdout and stderr? |
| [02:31:02] | wagnerrp: | no |
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| [02:31:30] | Slappy: | What about using: import sys |
| [02:31:33] | Slappy: | sys.stdout = open('file', 'w') |
| [02:31:36] | Slappy: | within the script? |
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| [02:32:44] | wagnerrp: | the System class is internally performing management of stderr and stdout for the spawned application |
| [02:33:05] | wagnerrp: | any modifications intending to correct this would have to be made against that class |
| [02:33:31] | bertaboy: | does anyone know how to remove phantom recordings from showing up in the UPnP lists? |
| [02:33:47] | wagnerrp: | phantom? |
| [02:34:26] | bertaboy: | I have entries listed on my UPnP clients that aren't in my recordings list |
| [02:34:52] | bertaboy: | e.g. temporary live TV files which aren't appearing to be temporary |
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| [02:46:59] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: unfortunately bill left, but it was the latter |
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| [03:05:12] | Slappy: | wagnerrp, I tried to add sys.stdout = open('stdout.txt', 'w') but the script failed with an error, I don't actually want to write to stdout.txt, I'd rather dump it all to /dev/null, how do I do that within python? |
| [03:06:52] | wagnerrp: | as i said, the pipe handling is completely internal to the System class |
| [03:07:02] | wagnerrp: | the only way to resolve the issue is to modify the System class |
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| [03:09:01] | wagnerrp: | Slappy: this is the old code, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/fixes/0 . . . ystem.py#L91 |
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| [03:09:17] | wagnerrp: | all it does is direct the output to a pipe, wait for the command to finish, and read the output from the pipe |
| [03:10:38] | wagnerrp: | this is the new code, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ystem.py#L29 and https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . lity.py#L990 |
| [03:11:21] | wagnerrp: | where it passes those pipes into some 200 lines of a fancy new structure, that runs an independent thread to keep those pipes clear by dumping them into an auto-scaling buffer |
| [03:11:43] | Slappy: | so then the old code will fill that pipe with handbrakeCLI output until its full and cause my error at 5:00 |
| [03:11:54] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [03:12:15] | Slappy: | The 5:00 significance is probably due to a handbrakecli progressbar or similiar, I'm guessing |
| [03:12:16] | wagnerrp: | now at the moment, that class just passes whatever function you send it straight onto /bin/sh |
| [03:12:32] | wagnerrp: | so if you add the necessary stderr and stdout redirects |
| [03:12:51] | wagnerrp: | bourne should force that output to go to /dev/null, rather than the defined pipes |
| [03:13:21] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why it would be stalling exactly at 5 minutes |
| [03:13:39] | wagnerrp: | unless there is actually an error in the file exactly five minutes in |
| [03:13:46] | Slappy: | It's the same amount of time for every recording, regardless of its length or the recording file size |
| [03:14:15] | wagnerrp: | you said it worked running from the command line, but failed running from the jobqueue? |
| [03:14:46] | Slappy: | I made a mistake, it worked for one recording, which i called from the commandline using --chanid and --starttime |
| [03:14:58] | Slappy: | the jobqueue used %JOBID% |
| [03:15:22] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt make any difference, as all it does is query chanid/starttime from the jobqueue, and proceed as normal |
| [03:15:23] | Slappy: | for every other recording, the commandline and jobqueue did the same 5:00 cutoff |
| [03:16:16] | wagnerrp: | what i was thinking was perhaps when run from the terminal, handbrakecli saw that there was a terminal attached and altered its output |
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| [03:16:33] | wagnerrp: | and behaved differently than when run through the jobqueue |
| [03:16:50] | Slappy: | I thought that too |
| [03:16:58] | Slappy: | till I tried a different recording with the commandline |
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| [03:19:27] | wagnerrp: | this is a much simpler implementation of the new version that would be a lot easier to patch into your current bindings, if you want to test it |
| [03:19:53] | Slappy: | sure |
| [03:19:57] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/b35ddbf . . . stem.py#L126 |
| [03:21:56] | wagnerrp: | basically, lines 127–134 would replace lines 94 and 95 in your version |
| [03:22:17] | wagnerrp: | and the 'return' line |
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| [03:28:21] | Slappy: | Looking at the simplified code, what happens if pmap[sock] += sock.read() overflows? |
| [03:28:41] | wagnerrp: | overflows? |
| [03:28:46] | Slappy: | I come from a background of writing code in embedded C for microcontrollers / microprocessors |
| [03:28:54] | Slappy: | everything overflows in my world |
| [03:29:12] | wagnerrp: | heh, no... python data handling is vastly unlike what youre used to in C |
| [03:29:43] | wagnerrp: | pmap is an associated array with two values, identified by the integer socket descriptor |
| [03:30:14] | wagnerrp: | that line is saying "read everything available in sock, and append it to the string stored in that associative array" |
| [03:30:48] | Slappy: | ok, and the string's length is not a problem? |
| [03:31:01] | wagnerrp: | strings are dynamically allocating |
| [03:31:13] | Slappy: | ahhhh... must be nice he he |
| [03:31:21] | wagnerrp: | technically, thats not exactly true |
| [03:31:28] | wagnerrp: | strings are immutable |
| [03:31:56] | wagnerrp: | so when i append to that string, im actually producing a new string made from a combination of the old one, and that additional data |
| [03:32:13] | wagnerrp: | which is for obvious reasons, very inefficient |
| [03:32:24] | Slappy: | and there's a sizeof() being used somewhere each time to setup the new string? |
| [03:32:39] | wagnerrp: | there may be, but thats all being done internally to python |
| [03:32:47] | Slappy: | ah ok |
| [03:33:18] | wagnerrp: | basically, if you are worrying about memory allocation issues in python (or any interpreted language), youve found a serious flaw in that interpreter |
| [03:33:30] | wagnerrp: | those sorts of things should never happen |
| [03:33:33] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: lol! |
| [03:33:47] | Slappy: | ah ok. I work on the ground floor, the interpretted languages are all 30000ft to me |
| [03:34:06] | wagnerrp: | thats more or less the entire purpose of an interpreted language, specifically so you dont have to fiddle with that stuff |
| [03:34:36] | darkdrgn2k: | happauge coloossus records HDMI, but its only unencrypted stuff right |
| [03:34:38] | wagnerrp: | i completely understand where youre coming from... people in my industry somehow find fortran enjoyable |
| [03:34:48] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k: correct, and only on windows |
| [03:35:16] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: because linux people find no value in the hdmi stuff, or because there some black magic that cant be ported? |
| [03:35:32] | wagnerrp: | the latter |
| [03:35:48] | wagnerrp: | that "black magic" is some documentation hidden behind the ASIC manufacturer's NDA |
| [03:35:52] | darkdrgn2k: | dam black magic :( |
| [03:36:17] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge could not release an open source driver for it even if they wanted to |
| [03:36:28] | darkdrgn2k: | but isnt that where the firmware comes in? |
| [03:36:35] | darkdrgn2k: | (with all other happauge products) |
| [03:37:01] | wagnerrp: | and unlike the HDPVR, it's a whole lot harder to reverse engineer the line protocol for a PCIe device than it is for a USB device |
| [03:37:29] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k: the 'firmware' gets pushed onto the device when it starts up, it is the hardware's OS |
| [03:37:42] | darkdrgn2k: | true... |
| [03:37:44] | wagnerrp: | you still need the drivers on your PC to communicate with that other system |
| [03:37:46] | darkdrgn2k: | except the blaster stuff :-P |
| [03:38:05] | wagnerrp: | the communication protocol is obscured by an NDA |
| [03:38:16] | darkdrgn2k: | *sigh* i wish linux was more main stream, or that mac drivers could be ported LOL |
| [03:39:25] | darkdrgn2k: | (LOL dam 8$ ir cabel from happauge... 25$ shippin.. grr) |
| [03:39:52] | wagnerrp: | Slappy: that mentioned inefficiency is why i replaced the simple string buffer with the big linked list (deque) implementation |
| [03:40:11] | wagnerrp: | which is probably a lot more similar to what you would be used to seeing in a C background |
| [03:41:23] | wagnerrp: | technically, i could have just used a 'StringIO' directly in place of the string |
| [03:41:46] | wagnerrp: | but the use of blocks stored in a deque opens up the possibility of what you were asking about earlier |
| [03:42:10] | Slappy: | ah ok |
| [03:42:34] | wagnerrp: | it would allow the System class to operate asynchronously |
| [03:42:51] | wagnerrp: | proxying data from the backend into the external transcoder |
| [03:43:02] | wagnerrp: | and then back from the transcoder and to the backend |
| [03:43:19] | wagnerrp: | since the deque could be independently read and written to |
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| [04:09:51] | k-man: | would you be amenable to requests for an api to query from mythtv, 1. which channels shepherd should try and get data for? and 2. to get and set the xmlid for each channel? |
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| [04:14:34] | k-man: | i'm still seeing this issue with mythweb recording settings not sticking |
| [04:14:53] | k-man: | i just did an update from git (of .24 fixes) of mythtv and mythweb |
| [04:14:58] | k-man: | but i still have the problem |
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| [04:16:17] | k-man: | oh actually ,its ok, it is scheduled – i made a mistake |
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| [05:04:11] | ahhughes: | after yesterdays convo on the raspberry pi, what about a BeagleBoard XM http://www.digikey.com/product-highlights/us/ . . . d/685#tabs-3 ? |
| [05:04:19] | ahhughes: | that has 512mb or ram |
| [05:04:39] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:04:42] | [R]: | just give up already... |
| [05:05:44] | ahhughes: | I hate intel chips!!!! |
| [05:05:58] | [R]: | so get an amd... |
| [05:06:08] | ** [R] snickers ** | |
| [05:06:15] | ahhughes: | well I hate x86 and its newer derivatives |
| [05:06:34] | [R]: | i worked on an omap35somethingsomething briefly |
| [05:06:43] | [R]: | and by briefly i mean for like 2 days before my l138 came in |
| [05:06:56] | ahhughes: | constant clock cycles that sit there buring up electricity for no good reason |
| [05:07:20] | [R]: | yeah, gotta save the electrons |
| [05:07:30] | ahhughes: | and then, when you do try and make them efficient... you get the ATOM.... USELESS! |
| [05:08:39] | ahhughes: | so what does an idle i3/i5/i7 actually consume? |
| [05:09:23] | [R]: | um |
| [05:09:35] | [R]: | i guess it depends on the clock? |
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| [05:09:38] | wagnerrp: | ahhughes: same problem as before |
| [05:09:46] | wagnerrp: | not enough power unless you use the hardware decoder |
| [05:09:51] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv cannot use the hardware decoder |
| [05:09:51] | ahhughes: | if you believe this, ~68w.... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bri . . . ,2850-9.html |
| [05:10:04] | [R]: | i once knew how to find in /sys what the draw from the battery was on my laptop |
| [05:10:13] | ertyu-m: | truly idle modern chip, ~0w |
| [05:10:26] | [R]: | an idle chip is a wasted chip, thats what i always say |
| [05:10:34] | wagnerrp: | ahhughes: you can build a mini-itx i3 desktop that idles around 25W at the wall |
| [05:10:41] | wagnerrp: | with load being 50–60W |
| [05:12:04] | wagnerrp: | as for power consumption of a dedicated frontend |
| [05:12:05] | ahhughes: | no doubt this will be controversial... but the idea of having it sit there burning 25W when its idle for ~80% of the day is still BS |
| [05:12:23] | wagnerrp: | the frontend will only need to be on for that 20% of the day when youre actually using it |
| [05:12:31] | [R]: | ahhughes: so turn it off... |
| [05:12:50] | wagnerrp: | turn it off for 0W, or leave it in standby for 1–2W |
| [05:12:52] | ahhughes: | [R]: it's not so useful when its off. |
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| [05:13:02] | [R]: | ahhughes: well when it needs to be useful, you turn it back on again |
| [05:13:04] | wagnerrp: | what do you care, youre not using it? |
| [05:13:04] | [R]: | shocking, isn't it? |
| [05:13:15] | wagnerrp: | were talking about frontends |
| [05:13:17] | wagnerrp: | not backends |
| [05:13:27] | [R]: | even backends, mine turns off |
| [05:13:38] | [R]: | hopefully when i update to 0.25, i'll take the time to get suspend workingn |
| [05:13:46] | ahhughes: | well I am talking about more than myth here. |
| [05:14:15] | wagnerrp: | so put it in standby, where 'online' is just a few seconds away |
| [05:14:25] | ertyu-m: | perhaps you should go unplug your fridge |
| [05:14:39] | ahhughes: | I'm happy to go into suspend, but that means I need WOL. and that means I need a new router or something like a rasberry pi on all the time just to send a WOL and shutdown :'( |
| [05:14:51] | [R]: | ahhughes: wait, you lost me |
| [05:15:02] | [R]: | a) what does wol have to do with routers b) what ARE you talking about |
| [05:15:19] | wagnerrp: | its a desktop, not a server, why do you need to be able to remotely access it? |
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| [05:15:28] | ahhughes: | I have a machine, its sole purpose in life is not to operate a a backend, it does other stuff for me too. |
| [05:15:30] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [05:15:51] | [R]: | ahhughes: what? |
| [05:16:09] | wagnerrp: | ahhughes: its not like your RPI is going to be operating your backend either |
| [05:16:16] | wagnerrp: | or really any meaningful server for that matter |
| [05:16:51] | ahhughes: | no, the RPI isn't an option :) |
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| [05:18:58] | wagnerrp: | the point were trying to make is that if you want an always on system to run your backend and other tasks |
| [05:19:06] | wagnerrp: | youre going to want something with some power behind it |
| [05:19:21] | wagnerrp: | which means not an arm, probably not an atom or low end fusion chip |
| [05:19:31] | ahhughes: | Unfortunately I agree wagnerrp :) |
| [05:19:44] | wagnerrp: | and at 25W, an idling i3 system is going to run you all of about $2/mo in electrical costs |
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| [05:20:19] | wagnerrp: | there should be little to no need to any other always-on systems |
| [05:20:23] | ahhughes: | you got the specs on the low power build wagnerrp ? |
| [05:20:39] | ahhughes: | I was looking at mac mini core2's..... |
| [05:21:12] | Roklobsta: | anyone got an RPi yet? |
| [05:21:16] | wagnerrp: | these are just standard desktop parts... two year old standard desktop parts... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html |
| [05:21:31] | wagnerrp: | SB hardware is going to do better than that article |
| [05:21:45] | wagnerrp: | and IB hardware will do yet better again by the time it is released |
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| [05:22:31] | wagnerrp: | you can get a mac mini, and since theyre built using laptop parts, youre looking at <10W idle |
| [05:22:44] | wagnerrp: | but since theyre custom systems, youre not going to have any capacity for expansion |
| [05:23:06] | wagnerrp: | so if you need more than what is built into one from the store, you need something different |
| [05:23:51] | ahhughes: | Roklobsta: I dont think you can really get them yet.... there are only a few floating about. |
| [05:25:30] | ahhughes: | thanks wagnerrp :) |
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| [06:10:56] | [R]: | gordon ramsey wanted people to become tossers... isn't that british slang for something? |
| [06:11:55] | wagnerrp: | someone who cooks stir-fry |
| [06:12:13] | [R]: | not what i was thinking... |
| [06:12:44] | [R]: | tosser Noun. An idiot, a contemptible person. |
| [06:15:47] | Roklobsta: | i think it's interchageable and means the same as "wanker". |
| [06:16:47] | ** wagnerrp prefers 'mouth breather' ** | |
| [06:17:14] | [R]: | haha |
| [06:17:21] | [R]: | theres thsi guy at my work, he chews gum ALL DAY LONG |
| [06:17:23] | [R]: | it drdives me nuts |
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| [09:55:24] | jya: | anyone knows of Linux drivers available for this card? http://www.techbuy.com.au/product.asp?prodId= . . . _PCI_EXPRESS |
| [09:55:47] | jya: | haven't been able to find it anywhere.. I;m guessing it's just OEM of another card... |
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| [10:41:29] | ahhughez: | this (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Services_API) says ...." taking the place of MythXML in MythTV versions .25 and later"... thing is, I have 0.24 and I get a response on that port... does that mean that MythXML is dead or that the services api is only available @ rev > 0.25? |
| [10:46:49] | peitolm: | nothing you've said is contradictory |
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| [10:57:11] | ahhughez: | I didn't say it was, I could mean two things (as far as I read things) |
| [10:57:47] | ahhughez: | what I want to confirm is that the services API is in fact running on my 0.24 install |
| [10:58:27] | ahhughez: | and additionally, is MythXML deprecated as of 0.25? |
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| [11:02:25] | peitolm: | AIUI it's not running on your 0.24, you have MythXML |
| [11:02:47] | peitolm: | "taking the place of MythXML in MythTV versions .25 and later" <-- which implies <0.25 is running MythXML |
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| [11:49:39] | xavierh: | trying to build mythmusic on 0.25, taglib is missing, what package do I need to install on ubuntu 11.10 ? |
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| [11:50:51] | xavierh: | I installed libtaglib-cil-dev but that doesn't do it :( |
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| [12:00:21] | ahhughez: | peitolm, cheers :) I will need to upgrade |
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| [12:17:27] | tmkt: | Morning |
| [12:17:42] | tmkt: | nice to see the airplay added to mythtv...do i have to enable it? |
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| [12:22:37] | peitolm: | you have to do some stuff, which i'm sure will be documented for 0.25 |
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| [12:26:15] | tmkt: | Ok..will do some looking around |
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| [13:46:13] | jya: | tmkt: to get AirPlay audio running, you need to get the RAOP key, and store it into ~/.mythtvRAOPKey.rsa |
| [13:46:23] | jya: | srr : ~/.mythtv/RAOPKey.rsa |
| [13:47:08] | jya: | for AirPlay that includes video, you have to start the frontend by setting the env variable: MYTHTV_AIRPLAY=1 |
| [13:47:59] | wagnerrp: | why dont we just key it off that file being existent instead? |
| [13:48:23] | wagnerrp: | adding that file AND adding an environmental variable seems needlessly complex |
| [13:48:41] | wagnerrp: | the former would be enough that its disabled on anyone who doesnt intentionally want it |
| [13:49:09] | ** wagnerrp goes and does that ** | |
| [13:49:11] | jya: | wagnerrp: I agree |
| [13:49:16] | jya: | however… |
| [13:49:28] | jya: | the video bit isn't anywhere as reliable as the audio stuff |
| [13:49:49] | jya: | it was activated by default for a while |
| [13:49:52] | wagnerrp: | do you need the key for audio as well? |
| [13:49:53] | jya: | then it was removed |
| [13:50:04] | wagnerrp: | since audio and video are two independent protocols |
| [13:50:08] | jya: | they key allows to simulate that you'r ean apple TV |
| [13:50:13] | jya: | you *must* have the key |
| [13:51:04] | jya: | as part of the RAOP protocol, it sends you a packet that you have to encrypt, and the iOS device check that this packet can be decrypted: hence being signed |
| [13:51:22] | jya: | finding a key is rather either |
| [13:51:32] | jya: | you google RAOP rsa key |
| [13:51:39] | jya: | wikipedia has a direct link to it |
| [13:51:59] | jya: | which IMHO, puts it in the public domain :) |
| [13:53:26] | wagnerrp: | id still rather not get on the radar of the litigious apple |
| [13:54:09] | clever: | i remember something happening on wikipedia to delete the history of a certain edit on the pci page, because somebody linked the specs |
| [13:54:27] | clever: | not everything linked on the wiki is truely public domain |
| [13:54:34] | wagnerrp: | theres probably similar stories about the AACS and HDCP master keys |
| [13:54:52] | jya: | I read a discussion on the matter, the consensus by everyone was the encryption that is only used to restrict usage of devices within the same manufactured doesn't fall under the DMCA |
| [13:55:55] | jya: | clever: that is true.. However, under the made for iPod program, you can get a similar key.. All this fall under a NDA. And you will find in all NDA, that no information provided to you that was already known is covered by the NDA |
| [13:56:33] | jya: | anyhow.. I don't really care, getting the rsa key is trivial, and so is configuring it. it's something you do once |
| [13:56:42] | jya: | it is still not very stable though |
| [13:56:54] | jya: | playing audio, I get a blank every 10s or so... |
| [13:57:13] | jya: | in the log I see dropped packet |
| [13:57:41] | jya: | I'm waiting to see what markk will do on his side with it, and if it takes too long I'll dive into it |
| [13:57:41] | wagnerrp: | jya: ah, the key is required for all RAOP stuff, not just video |
| [13:57:50] | wagnerrp: | i thought the audio worked regardless |
| [13:58:23] | jya: | nah, part of the RAOP protocol is that it makes sure it's an airport express or apple tv |
| [13:58:47] | jya: | the key that you find only is from an airport express I believe |
| [13:58:55] | jya: | as for the video |
| [13:59:00] | jya: | there are a few restrictions |
| [13:59:07] | jya: | the playlist format isn't supported |
| [13:59:19] | jya: | most of the applications I've used (non-apple) use that |
| [13:59:39] | wagnerrp: | i.e. they send a playlist with one entry, rather than the entry itself? |
| [13:59:43] | jya: | and you can't stream a DRMed video.. like one purchase of iTunes |
| [13:59:57] | jya: | wagnerrp: that's a possibility |
| [14:00:04] | jya: | but in the case of AirVideo for example |
| [14:00:16] | jya: | they send a playlist that contains a URL straight to the airvideo server |
| [14:00:32] | jya: | so while the iPhone app control what the server does and act as a remote |
| [14:00:47] | jya: | effectively, myth retrieves the data from the remote server |
| [14:01:23] | jya: | on a mac, markk has added the plist support (it's easy, there's a system call to decode the plist, it's a compressed XML) |
| [14:01:44] | jya: | wouldn't be difficult at all to read the plist on linux, right now that code doesn't exist |
| [14:01:55] | wagnerrp: | bleh... altering mythversion.h means everything i just compiled is invalidated and wont install |
| [14:03:09] | tmkt: | where do i pick up the ROAP key? |
| [14:03:30] | tmkt: | setup the myth var already |
| [14:03:36] | wagnerrp: | !url lmgtfy RAOP key |
| [14:03:37] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=RAOP%20key |
| [14:03:40] | tmkt: | merci |
| [14:03:44] | jya: | tmkt: if you read my instructions above, it's 3 click away |
| [14:03:45] | wagnerrp: | we dont provide it |
| [14:04:08] | wagnerrp: | to save the scrollback, google or otherwise for a copy of that rsa key |
| [14:04:17] | wagnerrp: | place it in ~/.mythtv/RAOPKey.rsa |
| [14:04:27] | wagnerrp: | and set MYTHTV_AIRPLAY in your environment |
| [14:04:39] | tmkt: | yup...and jsut restart the FE |
| [14:04:55] | tmkt: | i thought adding it to /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend would do.. |
| [14:05:32] | wagnerrp: | if you can pass environmental variables through your init script, sure |
| [14:05:41] | wagnerrp: | except its a frontend-only thing, not backend |
| [14:05:45] | wagnerrp: | its the playback device, not the server |
| [14:06:12] | tmkt: | yeah..noticed that..so added it to /etc/mythtv/session-something |
| [14:06:38] | wagnerrp: | whatever starts your frontend |
| [14:06:42] | tmkt: | btw..the yahoo search for RAOP Key works better..the google one.doesn't even make the first page |
| [14:06:46] | wagnerrp: | for me, thats .xinitrc |
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| [14:07:29] | jya: | tmkt: with that search, the first entry is wikipedia, and it's right there link 2) |
| [14:07:46] | wagnerrp: | whats the gmake command to specify a makefile? -c ? |
| [14:08:02] | jya: | -f |
| [14:08:18] | jya: | -C specify which directory to go into and run make |
| [14:08:44] | tmkt: | ah yes.. my bad...wrote roap rather then raop |
| [14:09:23] | jya: | so, will the next iPad going to have a 2048x156 screen ? |
| [14:09:42] | jya: | 1536 that is |
| [14:09:45] | tmkt: | the ipadHd |
| [14:09:51] | tmkt: | hope so..thats what i've been waiting for |
| [14:09:57] | wagnerrp: | thats the rumor |
| [14:10:10] | jya: | i hope they put a better camera… the current one is really crap |
| [14:10:26] | wagnerrp: | have you seen anything about that new nokia camera? |
| [14:11:38] | tmkt: | guessing that the airplay stuff was there before without those settings? I swore I had seen it in my speaker list a couple months ago |
| [14:11:39] | jya: | nope |
| [14:11:56] | jya: | tmkt: it has been in it for a couple of day |
| [14:12:10] | jya: | and befor eit was activated without the env variable |
| [14:12:56] | wagnerrp: | jya: where normal PAS cameras are maybe 1cm square, cell cameras are maybe half that |
| [14:13:06] | wagnerrp: | nokia stuff in one that was ~2.2cm |
| [14:13:10] | tmkt: | which log should i be looking into for it not working? mythfrontend.log doesn't seem to mention anything |
| [14:13:16] | tmkt: | it showed up..i tried a video...then it disapeared |
| [14:13:33] | jya: | tmkt: in the actual output of the application if you start it in the command line |
| [14:13:39] | jya: | it will say if it's loaded the key |
| [14:13:46] | wagnerrp: | running 41MP |
| [14:13:59] | wagnerrp: | or actually 34MP/38MP depending on the aspect ratio |
| [14:14:02] | jya: | tmkt: where was that video from? and it doesn't work from iTunes in my experience, just iPhone or iPad |
| [14:14:07] | tmkt: | itunes |
| [14:14:08] | tmkt: | ok |
| [14:14:41] | jya: | I read that iTunes does an extra check to make sure it's talking to an apple device |
| [14:14:48] | jya: | and no one have cracked that one |
| [14:14:53] | wagnerrp: | with a large fixed lens, and the idea that it would typically be high order interpolated down to 5–8MP |
| [14:16:54] | tmkt: | iphone has it appearing as audio only |
| [14:17:39] | tmkt: | one sec...probably grabbed the wrong key |
| [14:18:28] | jya: | tmkt: it will appear as audio only if you haven't set the environment variable |
| [14:20:07] | tmkt: | hmm...ok..so i do have the right key..so the var can be anything? i have it set to true right now |
| [14:20:37] | jya: | wagnerrp: BTW, markk mentioned to me that your last changes in the networking stuff broke RAOP |
| [14:21:16] | wagnerrp: | how long ago was this? |
| [14:21:33] | jya: | let me forward you his email |
| [14:21:35] | wagnerrp: | the stuff three weeks ago, or the stuff three days ago |
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| [14:21:52] | jya: | probably more like 3 weeks ago |
| [14:21:54] | wagnerrp: | raymond at wagnerrp.com |
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| [14:23:41] | wagnerrp: | there was a logic issue when BackendServerIP6 was not defined |
| [14:23:51] | wagnerrp: | which would happen on a frontend-only machine |
| [14:24:05] | wagnerrp: | if the user had not manually run mythtv-setup to set those values otherwise |
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| [14:27:14] | wagnerrp: | the initial stuff he was talking about a couple weeks back was due to blind edits |
| [14:27:25] | wagnerrp: | i was doing compile and run tests all along |
| [14:27:39] | wagnerrp: | but didnt realize that the RAOP stuff wasnt being compiled due to missing dependencies |
| [14:27:49] | xavierh: | MythWeather require JSON, what package do I need to install on ubuntu 11.10 ? |
| [14:27:58] | wagnerrp: | which is why the OSX bot didnt build for a few days after that commit |
| [14:29:06] | wagnerrp: | jya: once a couple syntactical issues were resolved, i had See ker` test it out, and he claimed it was running about the same as it was before |
| [14:29:26] | jya: | ok.. |
| [14:29:35] | jya: | I have no idea what he was referring to so... |
| [14:29:44] | jya: | I just passed the message along |
| [14:29:59] | xavierh: | MythWeather require JSON, what package do I need to install on ubuntu 11.10, to build it ? |
| [14:30:01] | jya: | haven't heard from him since I replied anyway |
| [14:30:20] | jya: | xavierh: enable the mythbuntu testing build |
| [14:30:28] | jya: | and do : sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| [14:30:48] | jya: | that will install all the dependencies you need to build all components of mythtv |
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| [14:31:59] | xavierh: | jya: have done it but without the mythbuntu testing build, thanks |
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| [14:38:43] | xavierh: | jya: It did not install new dependancy :( did you mean http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/testing/ubuntu ? |
| [14:39:15] | jya: | try sudo apt-get build-dep mythplugins then |
| [14:41:00] | xavierh: | jya: Picking 'mythtv' as source package instead of 'mythplugins' |
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| [14:44:30] | jya: | xavierh: the json packages I have on my box are: |
| [14:45:02] | jya: | python-json python-simplejson libjson-perl libjson-glib-1.0–0 |
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| [14:52:37] | xavierh: | jya: libjson-perl was misssing, I should have read you answer first :) thanks a lot |
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| [14:56:17] | jya: | right… can now compile 0.24 with my new mac builder… pff… only took a day ! |
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| [14:57:49] | tmkt: | With the airplay..spending the money on the denon receiver that supported it seems silly now |
| [14:57:52] | tmkt: | oh well |
| [14:58:14] | jya: | tmkt: they have non-apple device supporting it ? |
| [14:58:17] | jya: | interesting.. |
| [14:58:23] | jya: | audio only or video as well? |
| [14:58:33] | tmkt: | audio only |
| [14:58:39] | tmkt: | I'm pretty sure denon licensed it |
| [14:58:52] | tmkt: | http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers/denon-av . . . 4647681.html |
| [14:58:56] | tmkt: | works nicely |
| [14:59:01] | tmkt: | shows album artwork |
| [14:59:03] | tmkt: | while playing |
| [14:59:36] | tmkt: | can install new features on it. |
| [14:59:46] | tmkt: | but no new features for it since i bought it last september |
| [15:00:09] | jya: | those "upgrade ready" always made me laugh |
| [15:00:33] | jya: | when is the last time one of those manufacturer ever released an update adding features. |
| [15:00:34] | tmkt: | yeah..new firmware update available today..just wish it was easier to find the release notes |
| [15:00:39] | jya: | they're too busy working on the next model |
| [15:00:46] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [15:00:46] | tmkt: | true |
| [15:01:04] | tmkt: | i've had 5 firmware upgrades since though..just no new feature additions |
| [15:01:11] | tmkt: | i think they sell the new features |
| [15:01:13] | jya: | I bought a Miele dishwasher about 4 years ago… software upgradable should they discover a new techoligy to save wate |
| [15:01:17] | jya: | still waiting |
| [15:01:22] | tmkt: | but haven't had my receiver ask me for a credit card number yet |
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| [15:08:33] | pyrodex: | devon sells the codes online and you input the code into the AVR. They did it for the AIRPLAY key and other things |
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| [15:12:27] | skd5aner: | jya: lots of receivers support airplay now – I just happened to stumble across a few the other day... makes my stupid 4 year old one look like garbage with an iPod cable port and a really crappy OSD |
| [15:12:43] | skd5aner: | :P |
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| [15:13:06] | jya: | oh well, can do the same thing with myth now :) |
| [15:13:28] | pyrodex: | I actually like the OSD on the Denon AVR991 |
| [15:13:35] | jya: | I'm guessing that retriving the key from one of their firware update is likely going to be easier than from the apple code |
| [15:13:47] | jya: | they wouldn't be anywhere as paranoid to obfuscate the key |
| [15:14:02] | skd5aner: | jya: yea, that said I've used an airport express for about 6 years connected to my receiver for streaming from iTunes – that's worked well |
| [15:14:09] | skd5aner: | jya: happy to see it in myth though now |
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| [15:17:51] | tmkt: | yeah..just nice not having to switch inputs |
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| [15:31:07] | seeker: | jya: There is at least one code in the wild |
| [15:31:24] | peitolm: | 2 |
| [15:31:34] | jya: | you mean the RAOP key? yeah… easy to find too |
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| [15:39:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | trumee_afk: What distribution are you running? The LCD never shut down properly on my box, hence my hardware mod. ;-) |
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| [16:02:04] | skd5aner: | is remote control of hulu not possible in mnv? |
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| [16:05:20] | wagnerrp: | no, hulu does not expose the necessary javascript api |
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| [16:39:15] | deegan: | bah.. no locking on certain freqs. Most be the most worthless dish-holder in history sitting on my roof. |
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| [17:33:57] | ikevin: | hi |
| [17:34:27] | ikevin: | i try to run mythfrontend over ssh (via: ssh -X <host> mythfrontend) |
| [17:34:56] | ikevin: | i can navigate on all menus, so while i try to play anything i've a black screen |
| [17:35:01] | ikevin: | anyone know why? |
| [17:35:04] | wagnerrp: | why would you try to play something? |
| [17:35:47] | ikevin: | why don't trying? ^^' |
| [17:35:52] | ** peitolm thinks ikevin is missing the fact that some graphical overlays don't travel over X11 ** | |
| [17:35:53] | pyrodex: | SSH doesn't pass over audio |
| [17:35:56] | wagnerrp: | even if you managed to get AIGLX rendering working properly |
| [17:36:02] | wagnerrp: | and passed over an SSH tunnel |
| [17:36:18] | wagnerrp: | youre still talking about ~120mbps for SD video |
| [17:36:25] | wagnerrp: | and ~700mbps for HD video |
| [17:36:29] | ikevin: | i would to pass audio over pulseaudio |
| [17:36:38] | wagnerrp: | thats tough enough on just a normal network |
| [17:36:49] | wagnerrp: | and downright impossible if youre trying to perform encryption on that stream at both ends |
| [17:37:05] | ikevin: | mmm, i see |
| [17:37:23] | wagnerrp: | any of the hardware decoding methods are going to require direct hardware access |
| [17:37:35] | wagnerrp: | meaning the only thing you could potentially send over the wire is the uncompressed video |
| [17:37:57] | wagnerrp: | which even at only 12bpp, is going to be massive |
| [17:38:18] | ikevin: | i've an apliance who don't have enought processor to decode hd stream, i search a way to use another processor to decode it |
| [17:38:33] | wagnerrp: | shove an nvidia card into it, and use vdpau |
| [17:38:56] | ikevin: | i think the problem is same with xdmcp? |
| [17:39:02] | ikevin: | i can't add a card on |
| [17:39:08] | peitolm: | ah well, |
| [17:39:23] | peitolm: | perhaps you could transcode it to a format you can decode |
| [17:39:27] | wagnerrp: | xdmcp is remote X session management |
| [17:39:35] | wagnerrp: | it has nothing to do with what youre trying to do |
| [17:39:51] | peitolm: | otherwise you might as well give up on the idea of playing hd on your appliance |
| [17:40:10] | ikevin: | while i start a program using xdmcp the program is interpreted by the remote machin no? |
| [17:40:24] | wagnerrp: | ikevin: but you didnt, you started it through an SSH tunnel |
| [17:40:54] | ikevin: | it's the processor who can't decode hd from a dvb source, an mkv (720p) work perfectly |
| [17:40:56] | wagnerrp: | what is this device? |
| [17:41:04] | wagnerrp: | DVB sources do not produce mkvs |
| [17:41:26] | ikevin: | neoware thin client ca10 |
| [17:41:27] | wagnerrp: | and mkv has nothing to do with how much or little CPU it will take to decode |
| [17:41:43] | wagnerrp: | 720p only has limited effect on how much or little CPU it will take to decode |
| [17:42:09] | ikevin: | http://www.meisterkuehler.de/forum/vbcms_area . . . 100-pic1.jpg |
| [17:42:41] | wagnerrp: | get a riser card, and get an old PCI GF 8400 or 9400 |
| [17:42:52] | wagnerrp: | theyre getting rare, and they were never very common to begin with |
| [17:42:55] | wagnerrp: | it will not be cheap |
| [17:43:10] | wagnerrp: | im thinking $60-$80, plus whatever the riser card costs |
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| [17:43:38] | ikevin: | i can't, he has a pci slot so if i plug anything on i can't close the top pannel |
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| [17:43:50] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [17:44:07] | peitolm: | that's what the riser card is for |
| [17:44:34] | wagnerrp: | the riser card turns the PCI slot 90 degrees |
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| [17:44:42] | wagnerrp: | so it can fit the card into that sideways slot on the back side |
| [17:44:56] | wagnerrp: | thats the whole reason that slot exists |
| [17:45:04] | ikevin: | peitolm, riser card don't solve the problem |
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| [17:46:11] | ikevin: | you can see on the photo, the "out" behind is using by an ssd |
| [17:49:12] | wagnerrp: | so move the SSD somewhere else |
| [17:49:21] | wagnerrp: | or scrap the SSD entirely and use netboot |
| [17:50:16] | ikevin: | i already use netboot, ssd just have kernel |
| [17:51:32] | ikevin: | i'll try xdmcp and if it don't work i'll see to get a ride card and using another solution for the ssd |
| [17:51:37] | wagnerrp: | seems like an awful waste for all of a few MB of binary |
| [17:52:07] | ikevin: | so, just to know, how does a graphic card while reduce cpu usage? |
| [17:52:14] | ikevin: | will* |
| [17:52:51] | wagnerrp: | you install it in this machine, you run mythfrontend locally, and you use one of the VDPAU output methods |
| [17:52:57] | pyrodex: | The processing of the video is offloaded to the graphics card. |
| [17:53:08] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU causes the video to be decoded and scaled entirely on the GPU |
| [17:53:17] | wagnerrp: | all youre doing is passing the compressed stream into the card |
| [17:53:18] | ikevin: | mm oki |
| [17:53:44] | wagnerrp: | however, since your graphics card is now bottlenecked on the shared PCI bus |
| [17:53:55] | wagnerrp: | it may mean that screen updates at high resolution will be slow |
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| [17:56:18] | ikevin: | i see |
| [17:57:52] | ikevin: | thx for those infos, i think i'll buy a new cg (GF 8400 / 9400), it maybe the better idea (an maybe getting gl availlable) |
| [17:58:35] | wagnerrp: | again, even if you do manage to get remote opengl working (which ive not seen yet), and work some magic to pump pulseaudio |
| [17:58:45] | wagnerrp: | youre still talking a massive amount of bandwidth to run that video |
| [17:59:25] | pyrodex: | I doubt that little device can run full wire speed capable of handling it. |
| [17:59:25] | ikevin: | opengl is not obligated, so if adding a card can allow me to enable gl it's better ^^ |
| [17:59:25] | wagnerrp: | a quick check says those devices have 100mbit, and optional wireless |
| [17:59:35] | wagnerrp: | neither of which will be capable of handling even standard definition video |
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| [18:01:28] | ikevin: | and trying to replace my thin client by a raspberry Pi can be a good idea? |
| [18:01:45] | ikevin: | like, raspberry Pi can play hd video? |
| [18:02:09] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [18:02:21] | wagnerrp: | no good for HD video through mythtv though |
| [18:02:41] | wagnerrp: | it has one of those hardware decoders |
| [18:02:47] | wagnerrp: | but its one with no support in mythtv |
| [18:03:01] | sphery: | but it says it supports 1080 playback! |
| [18:03:38] | sphery: | if only it were that easy... |
| [18:03:59] | ikevin: | Broadcom VideoCore IV,[47] OpenGL ES 2.0, 1080p30 h.264/MPEG-4 AVC high-profile decoder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Specifications) |
| [18:04:19] | ikevin: | myth don't use mpeg4 for hd in livetv? |
| [18:04:29] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt use anything |
| [18:04:33] | wagnerrp: | it takes what the tuner card gives it |
| [18:04:41] | ikevin: | without recoding? |
| [18:04:50] | wagnerrp: | thats right |
| [18:05:39] | ikevin: | ok, that suppose it's mpeg2/4 for me (tnt in france) |
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| [18:18:06] | pplmaker: | has anyone started working on mythFE for appletv3? |
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| [18:18:37] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt be of any use |
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| [18:18:56] | pplmaker: | oh i thought it would make a good FE |
| [18:19:19] | wagnerrp: | did they ever announce an ATV3? |
| [18:19:33] | pplmaker: | yeah like 4 minutes ago |
| [18:19:34] | wagnerrp: | looks like they just did |
| [18:19:40] | pplmaker: | finally with 1080p |
| [18:19:54] | wagnerrp: | anyway, no, it would not make a good frontend |
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| [18:20:16] | pplmaker: | thats disappointing, i wonder why that is |
| [18:20:28] | wagnerrp: | because apple doesnt want it to make a good frontend |
| [18:20:45] | wagnerrp: | regardless of the capabilities of the decoder chip |
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| [18:21:07] | pyrodex: | spending time developing on a platform that is locked down and only open via jailbreak could nullify any hard work and effort put in if apple closes the holes. |
| [18:21:21] | wagnerrp: | apple artificially restricts the supported codecs and settings of that chip |
| [18:21:33] | wagnerrp: | the restrict it to only the formats they want to make available through itunes |
| [18:21:38] | pplmaker: | yeah they would never approve a mythFE app i suppose |
| [18:21:58] | wagnerrp: | its not that they wouldnt approve a mythfe app |
| [18:22:03] | pyrodex: | they didn't announce app store for the ATV so far from what I've seen on the livecasts |
| [18:22:10] | wagnerrp: | its that they dont make the device capable of decoding content we would produce |
| [18:22:23] | wagnerrp: | the hardware is capable, the software layered on top is not |
| [18:22:38] | wagnerrp: | and before you mention XBMC |
| [18:22:47] | pplmaker: | apple is such a pain |
| [18:22:50] | wagnerrp: | that requires you hack the machine to install arbitrary code |
| [18:23:08] | wagnerrp: | and decode using a hidden and undocumented video playback API |
| [18:23:13] | wagnerrp: | one that can change at any time |
| [18:23:46] | wagnerrp: | we dont want to chase around something with no standard format, and no support from upstream |
| [18:24:16] | wagnerrp: | now one of the devs is working on an ipad app that works with the new HLS code in 0.25 |
| [18:24:25] | wagnerrp: | allowing playback of live and recorded programs |
| [18:24:48] | wagnerrp: | but it requires a beefy CPU to transcode those recordings in real-time to something the ipad (and appletv) would be able to play |
| [18:25:05] | wagnerrp: | its going to require a VERY high end CPU to transcode those recordings to HD in real time |
| [18:25:18] | pplmaker: | are you sure about that? |
| [18:25:26] | wagnerrp: | and then youre still not actually running mythtv, but rather some other application |
| [18:25:31] | wagnerrp: | sure about what? |
| [18:25:39] | pplmaker: | the need for a beefy cpu |
| [18:25:50] | wagnerrp: | transcoding is very intensive |
| [18:25:55] | pplmaker: | i use airvideo on an ipad to transcode HD recordings on the fly |
| [18:25:55] | wagnerrp: | that shouldnt be anything surprising |
| [18:26:15] | pplmaker: | on a sandy bridge i3 i think |
| [18:26:35] | pplmaker: | its pretty smooth as far as i can tell |
| [18:26:47] | wagnerrp: | its not HD either |
| [18:27:16] | wagnerrp: | since there would be no sense transcoding to anything larger than maybe 960x540, due to the resolution of the screen |
| [18:27:35] | wagnerrp: | its also likely running very low bitrates |
| [18:27:46] | wagnerrp: | probably on the order of 2–3mbps |
| [18:28:28] | pyrodex: | lol ipad3 is 2048x1536… such an odd resolution. |
| [18:28:49] | wagnerrp: | 1920x1080 h264, with good quality options, at a worthwhile bitrate (10mbps+), will bring most single socket systems to their knees |
| [18:29:21] | wagnerrp: | oh! airvideo on an SB i3 may be using rapidsync, or whatever Intel is calling their hardware encoder |
| [18:30:17] | tmkt: | ah |
| [18:30:18] | tmkt: | crap |
| [18:30:21] | tmkt: | forgot the annoucement |
| [18:30:22] | pplmaker: | so on a 1st gen core i cpu, it wouldnt work so well? |
| [18:30:31] | wagnerrp: | likely not |
| [18:31:29] | pplmaker: | those 2nd gens are really good i guess |
| [18:31:44] | wagnerrp: | no, they just have a hardware video encoder |
| [18:32:05] | wagnerrp: | all bets are off when you start building in ASICs |
| [18:34:17] | pplmaker: | i should just discard all my none SB hardware |
| [18:34:28] | wagnerrp: | why? |
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| [18:34:54] | pplmaker: | because they underperform any video processing i ever do |
| [18:35:25] | wagnerrp: | ok.. why do you need more than one machine do to your video processing? |
| [18:35:42] | pplmaker: | well my BE is in a dark closet |
| [18:36:11] | pplmaker: | i have a desktop that i use for editing family videos thats probably too slow |
| [18:36:19] | wagnerrp: | your BE also isnt going to do you a bit of good |
| [18:36:21] | wagnerrp: | since it runs linux |
| [18:36:30] | wagnerrp: | and there is no linux support for intel's hardware video encoder |
| [18:36:43] | pplmaker: | oh really? but thats where i run airvideo |
| [18:37:03] | wagnerrp: | ah, well then back to the previous assumption of low resolution and low bitrate |
| [18:37:16] | pplmaker: | i honestly dont know how to measure whether or not its being utilized |
| [18:37:23] | wagnerrp: | top |
| [18:37:25] | pplmaker: | i just know that the video plays really well |
| [18:38:01] | pplmaker: | you know what, I always look at %user and it was always low |
| [18:38:17] | pplmaker: | but i just figured out today that ffmpeg will often show up in %nice instead of %user |
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| [18:38:33] | wagnerrp: | if nice, yes |
| [18:38:36] | wagnerrp: | *niced |
| [18:38:52] | pplmaker: | for some reason it forks off threads that are niced |
| [18:39:05] | pplmaker: | even though ffmpeg itself is not |
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| [18:39:31] | pplmaker: | so maybe it is hammering the cpu |
| [18:39:47] | wagnerrp: | if theyre forked off, theyre not threads |
| [18:39:57] | wagnerrp: | forks mean processes |
| [18:39:59] | pplmaker: | they only show up in top -H |
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| [19:02:55] | tmkt: | No luck so far with the airplay...with both keys i've tried only gettin audio device available |
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| [19:04:39] | Gus_: | likely a stupid question. I just pulled from Git an got this version – mythtv-0.25–0.1.git.1 etc... but last week I was getting info like this – .25–0.1.git.4773.g81acf24 is this due to it going to beta? |
| [19:05:26] | Gus_: | being new to git, is this still the way to get the latest and latest commits – git clone git://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git ? |
| [19:07:03] | jimbolaya: | Hi, I just installed 0.25 from the mythbuntu repositories and I'm trying to get my Ceton running with ClearQAM. mythtv-setup complains in "Scan Configuration" that Scan Type is "Failed to open the card." Does 0.25 support ClearQAM on the Ceton? |
| [19:07:46] | wagnerrp: | Gus_: you mean when you ran <some myth application> --version? |
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| [19:09:37] | trumee: | J-e-f-f-A: i run gentoo with lcdproc-0.5.3 |
| [19:10:00] | Gus_: | No, when I did a git pull and then used the mythtv_build script, I now see that version. It just looks different. |
| [19:10:49] | Gus_: | in that I am no longer seeing the smaller 4773.g81acf24 for example apended on the end. |
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| [19:11:56] | wagnerrp: | would that be build_myth.sh? |
| [19:12:49] | Gus_: | yes. Last build with that resulted in mythtv-backend-0.25–0.1.git.4773.g81acf24.fc16.x86_64, and today resulted in mythtv-backend-0.25–0.1.git.1.fc16.x86_64.rp |
| [19:13:06] | Gus_: | I am concerned that I am pulling from git incorrectly |
| [19:13:22] | Gus_: | and not getting the latest version? |
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| [19:47:52] | noisymouse: | hi, does anyone have recommendations for a <$200 mythtv frontend? |
| [20:00:38] | sphery: | <$200 is easy. |
| [20:01:02] | sphery: | now if you put on other requirements, like, "Must be small," or, "Must be pretty," or, "Must be quiet," it's a whole other matter |
| [20:01:27] | ** sphery goes big, ugly, and loud as it needs to be--and just puts the system in another room with cables going to the TV/speakers ** | |
| [20:01:47] | sphery: | that also allows me to get a useful CPU rather than a toy, like Atom |
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| [20:07:22] | noisymouse: | hmm |
| [20:07:32] | Gus_: | I agree. HDMI over 2x cat 6 and who cares how loud it is |
| [20:08:01] | noisymouse: | I suppose I could put it in a cabinet, although their would probably be ventilation issues then |
| [20:08:30] | Gus_: | I have mine 60 feet away in basement |
| [20:08:40] | Gus_: | works perfectly |
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| [20:09:03] | Gus_: | w/ hdmi extenders and usb extender for control |
| [20:10:17] | noisymouse: | well this is something that my mom has to be comfortable with... |
| [20:10:45] | noisymouse: | she wouldn't like cables running all over the place if you can see them |
| [20:10:49] | Gus_: | once setup, you would never know the box is not right behind the TV |
| [20:11:53] | wagnerrp: | Gus_: cat6 is twisted pair |
| [20:11:59] | wagnerrp: | hdmi is twisted pair |
| [20:12:22] | wagnerrp: | HDMI over cat6 wont go any further than HDMI over HDMI |
| [20:12:23] | Gus_: | yes, I use HDMI extenders that use two cat6 cables |
| [20:12:50] | wagnerrp: | the only way they could do that is by amplifying the signal way outside the HDMI spec |
| [20:13:02] | Gus_: | I am not sure on how long they will go, but 60 feet has been fine for me |
| [20:13:10] | wagnerrp: | plus the lack of conductors means theyre dropping the CEC line |
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| [20:21:09] | sphery: | hehe, I love how all the Anonymous guys are saying, "Yeah, I've been thinking Sabu was working with the feds for months." |
| [20:22:58] | sphery: | gotta wonder if it's just putting on the "untouchable/omniscient" facade or if they really did know (but if so, why did they allow him to continue acting as a major leader in the group) |
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| [20:56:01] | frederickjh: | Quick question, I see info about MythWelcome on the wiki and here and there on the internet. Is it still working? Where can one download it? |
| [20:58:02] | wagnerrp: | you already have it |
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| [21:33:31] | wizbit: | nobody torcing? |
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| [21:47:23] | mtrax: | are the latest Nvidia drivers (285–295) crashing mythTV a known issue? |
| [21:48:39] | frederickjh: | Sorry wagnerrp! I was away. |
| [21:48:46] | frederickjh: | What do you mean? |
| [21:48:56] | frederickjh: | Do I need to enable it some how? |
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| [21:49:30] | wagnerrp: | when you installed mythtv, mythwelcome came along with it |
| [21:49:31] | frederickjh: | I do not see it listed in the Mythbuntu Control Centre |
| [21:49:40] | frederickjh: | as a plugin that is. |
| [21:49:59] | wagnerrp: | its not a plugin |
| [21:50:03] | wagnerrp: | its part of mythtv |
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| [21:51:14] | frederickjh: | Ok, So how do I enable it? |
| [21:51:40] | wagnerrp: | enable what? |
| [21:51:47] | frederickjh: | Mythwelcome |
| [21:51:54] | wagnerrp: | what is there to enable? |
| [21:52:16] | wagnerrp: | you run it... and thats it |
| [21:52:22] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand what youre asking |
| [21:53:14] | frederickjh: | Mythwelcome is suppose to run when the system starts using the apci timed start up. |
| [21:53:25] | frederickjh: | Instead of starting the front end. |
| [21:53:45] | wagnerrp: | so find whatever is starting the frontend, and have it start mythwelcome instead |
| [21:53:59] | frederickjh: | ok |
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| [21:54:06] | frederickjh: | so you are right. |
| [21:54:14] | frederickjh: | dropping to a terminal I can start it. |
| [21:54:18] | frederickjh: | Thanks. |
| [21:56:53] | frederickjh: | Sorry, I guess I figure it was like the other plugins and should show on the list in the control centre. |
| [21:57:03] | frederickjh: | That is why I thought it was not installed. |
| [22:01:52] | mtrax: | are the latest Nvidia drivers (285–295) crashing mythTV a known issue? |
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| [22:02:44] | wagnerrp: | mtrax: usually people wait more than 15 minutes and one new join before asking a second time |
| [22:02:53] | mtrax: | :) |
| [22:03:32] | mtrax: | its been about 12 mins :) |
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| [22:32:28] | sphery: | mtrax: since it's been more than 15mins, I can say that there are reports of the 290's crashing mythtv on some distros, but those who had issues said the problem disappeared when they upgraded to 295 |
| [22:37:00] | mtrax: | thats what I was hoping but sadily its still happening |
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| [22:40:44] | mtrax: | do you know what was the cause of the crashes was it QT or some fedora incompatibility |
| [22:41:36] | mtrax: | ie was it some issue with MythTV code or a general o/s prob. |
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| [22:57:49] | jams: | yeah 285 is ok 290 avoid 295 seems ok |
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