| Tuesday, March 6th, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:34] | jya: | and then none of my frontends would have worked |
| [00:00:52] | jya: | and I would have stopped enjoying the comfort of my wife sleeping next to me for a while |
| [00:00:56] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [00:01:03] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
| [00:01:25] | jya: | the aim was to run a test playback machine, with it not complaining about other machines being still on 0.24 |
| [00:01:46] | jya: | if I had upgraded the DB, the existing 0.24 frontends would have stopped working |
| [00:01:54] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [00:02:15] | Beirdo: | I guess we might have changed something in there |
| [00:02:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:02:30] | Beirdo: | anyways, whatever |
| [00:03:05] | jya: | if you start a frontend on a database schema it doesn't expect, you get a big pop-up telling you of a wrong schema , and then it exits |
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| [00:12:55] | wagnerrp: | ugh... every time i start this thing back up, it sounds awful |
| [00:13:06] | wagnerrp: | its like one of the fans needs to warm up to function properly |
| [00:14:55] | k-man: | finaly someone on the shepherd list pointed out that if you need some specific data from mythtv, ask the devs for an api |
| [00:15:06] | k-man: | rather than accessing the db directly |
| [00:15:17] | wagnerrp: | its like a snorer with sleep apnea |
| [00:15:30] | wagnerrp: | did it stop making noise? or did it stop running entirely? |
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| [00:39:13] | dgnt500: | I had been running 0.24 for a few months and one day I tried installing a few plugins (cant remember which ones). The install errored out and ever since then I have been unable to play videos. The audio for the movie plays and I can hear it but the video does not play. The screen just says "Please wait". Any ideas on what my problem might be? |
| [00:40:11] | wagnerrp: | dgnt500: this is in 'Watch Videos', not 'Watch Recordings'? |
| [00:41:25] | dgnt500: | +wagnerrp: yes, under "Watch Videos" |
| [00:41:38] | wagnerrp: | "Watch Videos" is itself a plugin, mythvideo |
| [00:41:52] | wagnerrp: | your issue sounds like youre using an external player, rather than the 'Internal' one |
| [00:42:09] | wagnerrp: | and are not using a window manager, such that your z-ordering is unmanaged and wrong |
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| [00:42:41] | wagnerrp: | the video is playing behind mythtv, but lacking a window manager, it never gets properly brought to the foreground |
| [00:43:13] | dgnt500: | +wagnerrp: In the settings, I am using the Internal player for all file extensions |
| [00:43:48] | wagnerrp: | what video card do you have? what playback profile are you using? |
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| [00:53:29] | dgnt500: | +wagnerrp: My mobo has onboard video chipset, ATI Radeon HD 4200. I am not using MythTv for recording/watching tv, so I haven't touched any of the playback profile settings |
| [00:54:10] | wagnerrp: | the chances are youre using a bad setting |
| [00:54:24] | wagnerrp: | go into the playback profiles, and make sure youre using 'Slim' |
| [00:54:35] | wagnerrp: | the default selecting in 0.24 is a bad one |
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| [00:58:52] | dgnt500: | Is there a way to change that setting outside of using the mythtvfrontend? This leads to another (probably related) problem. Everytime I select "General Settings" or "Playback", nothing happens. The screen doesnt change |
| [00:59:13] | wagnerrp: | no idea about that one |
| [00:59:18] | wagnerrp: | are you using the Qt or OpenGL painter? |
| [00:59:19] | dgnt500: | I have to hit 'ESC' to get back to using the GUI |
| [00:59:31] | dgnt500: | I set it to use Qt |
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| [01:00:02] | dgnt500: | But I cant view that setting in the mythtvfrontend. Everytime I select "General Settings" nothing happens |
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| [01:01:18] | sphery: | are you using current 0.24-fixes or some older revision? |
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| [01:04:05] | dgnt500: | Using MythBuntu 11.10 (latest), which is 0.24+fixes |
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| [01:07:35] | sphery: | dgnt500: with mythbuntu repos enabled? http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [01:09:09] | dgnt500: | +sphery: I dl'd the mythbuntu iso from a mirror and just installed that. |
| [01:09:22] | tgm4883: | so not up to date then |
| [01:09:48] | sphery: | definitely worth a try updating |
| [01:10:13] | tgm4883: | "The install errored out" |
| [01:10:19] | dgnt500: | Alright, I will update |
| [01:10:19] | tgm4883: | that isn't an error message |
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| [01:20:39] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: do you have a 'worst case scenario' of how long it could reasonably take a network to come online after mythtv has started? |
| [01:21:02] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, nope |
| [01:21:21] | tgm4883: | can it be assumed that the network is previously configured? |
| [01:21:38] | tgm4883: | eg. if it's wireless, it could never come up |
| [01:22:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: should mythmetadatalookup be checking db schema version? It seems to me it should, but you know it better than I |
| [01:22:31] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, our upstart script depends on networking being up before it starts the backend |
| [01:22:55] | wagnerrp: | yes, it should be doing schema checks, as it manipulates the database directly |
| [01:23:07] | sphery: | thx |
| [01:23:45] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: im actually considering adding a mechanism to the various listen servers such that it will delay until the IP addresses it is told to listen on are actually available |
| [01:24:04] | wagnerrp: | or until some worst case time limit is reached |
| [01:24:12] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [01:25:04] | ertyu-m: | sucks that you need such a hack |
| [01:25:20] | tgm4883: | so we'd start the backend upstart script, and if networking was still down then it would just wait? |
| [01:26:07] | ** sphery just puts his prerequisite checks in his startup script--which checks for networking, availability of DB, and--for frontends/remote backends--availability of master backend before starting ** | |
| [01:26:10] | tgm4883: | I've never understood what constitutes as a hack vs a fix |
| [01:29:01] | ertyu-m: | subjective scale |
| [01:30:18] | wagnerrp: | a fix is something to resolve a problem you produced |
| [01:30:33] | wagnerrp: | a hack is something to resolve a problem caused by someone else doing something that you think they shouldnt |
| [01:31:00] | wagnerrp: | you 'hack something together' as you cant be bothered with a 'proper' fix |
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| [03:04:50] | bcgrown: | is mythshutdown supposed to be able to wake from suspend? it seems to only work for waking from "off" for me. i can manually set a scheduled wake from suspend, and that works fine |
| [03:06:57] | [R]: | that depends on youyr hardware |
| [03:07:17] | bcgrown: | hmm actually i think i see the problem |
| [03:07:34] | bcgrown: | the wakeup time isn't actually set till you do use the --shutdown option, correct? |
| [03:08:31] | bcgrown: | i.e. mythbackend doesn't set that itself |
| [03:13:27] | [R]: | no, the backend knows nothing of it |
| [03:15:00] | bcgrown: | hmm okay. that leads me to my next question, in the Shutdown/Wakeup Options screen, can i put multiple commands in one box, e.g.: foo1; foo2 or do i have to put them in a script? |
| [03:18:16] | [R]: | script |
| [03:18:20] | [R]: | although i dunno, it might work |
| [03:18:27] | [R]: | check the source to see what it does wit hit |
| [03:18:44] | bcgrown: | meh i don't speak c++ |
| [03:18:51] | bcgrown: | easier to just make a script :) |
| [03:20:16] | wagnerrp: | right now, i believe it just takes that string, and runs it through '/bin/sh -c' |
| [03:20:31] | wagnerrp: | meaning multiple commands separated by ';' would likely work |
| [03:20:50] | wagnerrp: | dont trust that it will always remain that way |
| [03:22:27] | bcgrown: | script it is then |
| [03:28:20] | bcgrown: | 'No manual entry for mythshutdown' :( |
| [03:28:55] | [R]: | the documentatino is on the wiki |
| [03:29:01] | bcgrown: | ah ok |
| [03:29:13] | wagnerrp: | as well as 'mythshutdown --help' |
| [03:29:31] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: yeah that's all the wiki has too. i was hoping for more information |
| [03:29:46] | bcgrown: | --shutdown seems to be the only option that writes to nvram, but i don't want it to shutdown. i want it to suspend. |
| [03:31:22] | [R]: | you acn set the command it runs |
| [03:31:44] | [R]: | its all documented on the wiki |
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| [03:47:50] | bcgrown: | alright, here goes nothing |
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| [03:56:08] | k-man: | jya, where is the option to disable datbase upgrades? |
| [03:56:33] | wagnerrp: | likely a compile flag |
| [03:56:41] | jya: | there aren't.. you need to compile with specific CFLAGS |
| [03:57:01] | k-man: | jya, oh... is that what you discussed in the dev email? |
| [03:57:07] | jya: | yep |
| [03:57:23] | k-man: | ah thanks |
| [03:57:57] | bcgrown: | test |
| [03:58:19] | wagnerrp: | fail |
| [03:58:23] | bcgrown: | haha |
| [03:58:30] | bcgrown: | apparently irc doesn't disconnect when you suspend to ram |
| [03:58:54] | wagnerrp: | well not automatically |
| [03:59:01] | wagnerrp: | there are periodic keep-alives |
| [03:59:13] | wagnerrp: | so as long as you communicate within that time period, youre good |
| [03:59:29] | bcgrown: | woo |
| [03:59:41] | wagnerrp: | ssh will sit suspended for hours or days, as long as neither side actually tries to send anything |
| [04:01:34] | [R]: | what about tcp keepalive? |
| [04:02:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the strange thing |
| [04:02:22] | wagnerrp: | didnt seem to bother it |
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| [04:03:35] | [R]: | actually i just checked, it loked like the connectino on the server awwsn't using keepalive |
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| [04:07:06] | bcgrown: | uh, is this supposed to happen when I delete a recording schedule in mythweb? it sends me to a wacko URL: http://192.168.1.150/mythweb/tv/schedules/man . . . tv/schedules |
| [04:07:32] | bcgrown: | Error 310 (net::ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS): There were too many redirects. |
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| [04:13:24] | sphery: | bcgrown: yes, that's supposed to happen for users who don't read the commits list |
| [04:13:55] | k-man: | heh |
| [04:14:29] | sphery: | actually, I'm making an assumption you're using master, but if you're on 0.24-fixes I should give you a different answer |
| [04:14:37] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9598 |
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| [04:20:32] | bcgrown: | ok, here's another one... how/when does the mythshutdown auto/manual startup status get set? it doesn't seem to work when you suspend instead of shut down |
| [04:20:51] | [R]: | what? |
| [04:21:02] | bcgrown: | mythshutdown --startup |
| [04:21:26] | bcgrown: | returns 0 if the machine was automatically started, or 1 if it was manually started |
| [04:21:54] | bcgrown: | but i just did an automatic suspend and wakeup, and mythshutdown --startup returned '1' |
| [04:22:07] | [R]: | because its realy mythbackend starting, not the machine |
| [04:22:44] | bcgrown: | [R]: you mean the status that mythshutdown looks at? |
| [04:23:24] | [R]: | what? |
| [04:23:54] | bcgrown: | [R]: the mythshutdown --startup option tells me whether the mythbackend service was started manually or automatically, correct? |
| [04:24:12] | bcgrown: | i.e. NOT if the machine was started manually or automatically |
| [04:24:12] | [R]: | all it really does, is say if when the backend stated, if it was within 15 minutse of a recording |
| [04:24:33] | [R]: | which essentially means if the machine woke up for a recording, or if the user manually started it |
| [04:25:18] | bcgrown: | [R]: so if i schedule a recording <15 minutes after starting the backend it would consider that an auto-start? |
| [04:25:38] | [R]: | no, because it is already running |
| [04:25:42] | [R]: | it makes the decision when it starts |
| [04:26:01] | bcgrown: | uh, what? |
| [04:26:29] | [R]: | when the backend starts... if there is a recording within 15 minutes, it says it was an auto startup |
| [04:26:30] | bcgrown: | isn't it always going to start before the schedules are modified? |
| [04:26:36] | [R]: | what? |
| [04:26:59] | bcgrown: | "say 'what?' one more time" |
| [04:27:40] | bcgrown: | forget about the 15 minutes. what i want is for my backend to wake up, record its recordings, then suspend. that much i have working |
| [04:27:48] | wagnerrp: | what? |
| [04:27:56] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: BLAM |
| [04:28:12] | wagnerrp: | your words cannot harm me |
| [04:28:37] | [R]: | bcgrown: well if it's working... |
| [04:28:45] | bcgrown: | [R]: but wait, there's more! |
| [04:29:14] | wagnerrp: | and enough cocaine to give you a heart attack on your airline flight |
| [04:29:48] | bcgrown: | [R]: my backend is also my frontend though, so if it was automatically started i want the tv to stay off (or be turned off with DPMS, whatever). If it's started manually, i want the tv on and the frontend started |
| [04:30:20] | [R]: | tv or monitor? if its a tv, why are you leaving it turned on in the first placde |
| [04:31:12] | [R]: | X will automatically banlk the screen after X minutes |
| [04:31:26] | [R]: | and i think mythwelcome will prevent the frontend from actually starting during automatic mode |
| [04:31:58] | bcgrown: | [R]: it's a TV connected via vga, it turns itself off (well, power-saves) when the PC signal goes away |
| [04:32:55] | bcgrown: | [R]: just turning the screen off doesn't save any power though, since the mythtv box would still be running |
| [04:33:26] | bcgrown: | mythwelcome does do that but i had other problems with mythwelcome when i was using it before |
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| [04:34:05] | bcgrown: | it would steal focus from the frontend and then it would shutdown or reboot at seemingly random times because it was getting the remote commands that were intended for the frontend |
| [04:34:22] | [R]: | dunno, combined front/back sucks |
| [04:34:49] | bcgrown: | works fine for me, mythwelcome notwithstanding |
| [04:37:20] | bcgrown: | maybe i will try it again |
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| [04:38:21] | bcgrown: | if i stop mythbackend when i suspend, then start it again when i resume, will *that* give me the status output i want from mythshutdown --startup ? |
| [04:41:01] | [R]: | in theory, although you cant make the script the backend runs have it kill the backend |
| [04:41:07] | [R]: | bad thigns will happen |
| [04:41:19] | [R]: | i once got away with having it run at and telling it to run another script a minute later |
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| [04:45:13] | bcgrown: | hmm |
| [04:45:44] | bcgrown: | so is actually shutting down the machine the only way to do it? |
| [04:45:55] | [R]: | what it |
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| [04:47:15] | bcgrown: | if (resumed from suspend automatically) then (turn monitor off, don't start frontend) else if (resumed from suspend manually) then (leave monitor on, start frontend) |
| [04:48:14] | [R]: | you could probably do that |
| [04:48:23] | [R]: | but what if its on |
| [04:48:25] | [R]: | and you want to watch tv? |
| [04:48:46] | bcgrown: | well that's not so hard. i will have lirc start the frontend |
| [04:49:12] | [R]: | well current master has idle detection for the frontend |
| [04:49:18] | [R]: | in theory to solve the problem mythwelcome solves |
| [04:49:44] | bcgrown: | which problem is that |
| [04:50:08] | [R]: | the backend being able to shutdown when the frontend is running |
| [04:50:21] | bcgrown: | [R]: yeah, that's not a problem i have |
| [04:50:32] | [R]: | sounds like you are making it way too complicated |
| [04:50:38] | [R]: | but you cna do it, no problem |
| [04:50:49] | bcgrown: | well leaving the machine on all the time would do it. but i don't want to do that |
| [04:52:01] | bcgrown: | i don't see what's complicated about it |
| [04:53:51] | bcgrown: | anyway i have to go |
| [04:53:56] | bcgrown: | thanks for your help |
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| [04:55:57] | ahhughes: | howdy, so will there be a raspberry pi build? |
| [04:56:48] | [R]: | of course not |
| [04:57:18] | wagnerrp: | i dont see why not |
| [04:57:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv should build fine on a RPI |
| [04:57:29] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:57:35] | wagnerrp: | and should actually run as well |
| [04:58:52] | Shadow__X: | thats not including playback is it? |
| [04:59:19] | wagnerrp: | well, i thought that was a given |
| [04:59:24] | ahhughes: | same |
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| [04:59:56] | wagnerrp: | plus there's the issue of the frontend swapping heavily when running that resolution on only ~200MB of memory |
| [05:00:22] | ahhughes: | I would hope to see a frontend distro, not so sure a backend with 256mb of ram would work so well... not when the storage is SD card, otherwise what... external USB hdd for swap? |
| [05:00:53] | wagnerrp: | no, if you dip into swap just to run mythfrontend, you want to find different hardware to use as a frontend |
| [05:00:53] | [R]: | wagnerrp: the gpu only steals 50mb? |
| [05:00:55] | ahhughes: | wagnerrp: SNAP |
| [05:01:16] | ahhughes: | so you think 256 is ok for frontend? |
| [05:01:28] | [R]: | who said that? |
| [05:01:42] | wagnerrp: | [R]: wild guess.. ive heard claims that 32MB allocation is not enough for the GPU to run at 1080p |
| [05:02:54] | wagnerrp: | ahhughes: i tested this like a year and a half ago, it might have been prior to the 0.24 release |
| [05:03:16] | wagnerrp: | on my 1GHz P3 laptop, 32-bit, running 1600x900 |
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| [05:03:31] | wagnerrp: | 384MB was sufficient to run the UI |
| [05:03:44] | wagnerrp: | dropping to 256MB resulting in heavy swapping and a slow UI |
| [05:04:18] | wagnerrp: | in other words, the RPI is close but no cigar |
| [05:04:23] | [R]: | does it come with an x outptu driver, or does it use somethign stupid like framebuffer? |
| [05:04:34] | wagnerrp: | dont know about that one |
| [05:04:43] | wagnerrp: | video decoding is handled through OpenMAX |
| [05:04:54] | wagnerrp: | and it supports OpenGL ES2 |
| [05:06:05] | wagnerrp: | if mythtv is to run well on the RPI, at full resolution |
| [05:06:20] | wagnerrp: | someone is going to have to do a lot of work cleaning up the memory requirements |
| [05:06:50] | [R]: | and writing an openmax output... |
| [05:07:02] | wagnerrp: | with the average PC running 4GB these days, and the average dev wanting a real PC to run mythfrontend on |
| [05:07:11] | wagnerrp: | there just no incentive to make it happen |
| [05:07:20] | ahhughes: | but 720 might work? |
| [05:07:45] | wagnerrp: | doubtful |
| [05:07:55] | ahhughes: | realistically then, probably better off just buying some generic atom + ion box/netbook right? |
| [05:08:45] | wagnerrp: | youre still in the same boat with an inadequate CPU |
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| [05:08:54] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:08:59] | wagnerrp: | but at least you have a supported GPU, and enough memory to be usable |
| [05:09:03] | [R]: | wagnerrp is a hater on crappy cpus... |
| [05:10:09] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: why do we need bash for that script? |
| [05:10:22] | ** ahhughes hates atoms! ** | |
| [05:11:04] | [R]: | my fronrtend is an ion... for doing the ONE thing its good at ... its fine, but i wouldn't dare try doinga ntyhing else |
| [05:12:56] | ahhughes: | the world is (mostly) in denial, sooner arm arrives for household appliances the better |
| [05:13:07] | [R]: | i work on arm |
| [05:13:08] | [R]: | its nice |
| [05:13:19] | wagnerrp: | ARM is underpowered for our needs as well |
| [05:13:28] | wagnerrp: | but at least its an architecture designed for low power |
| [05:13:38] | wagnerrp: | rather than an architecture designed for low manufacturing cost |
| [05:13:55] | ahhughes: | [R]: so, what options does someone like me have to buy a suitable arm machine for my myth setup? |
| [05:14:03] | [R]: | who said there was? |
| [05:14:34] | wagnerrp: | there will be no usable ARM machine until such point as someone writes an openmax or other video decoder for mythtv |
| [05:14:39] | ahhughes: | doesn't sound "nice" to me if it doesnt exist. |
| [05:14:47] | wagnerrp: | there are no ARM chips capable of decoding HD video in software |
| [05:15:02] | wagnerrp: | meaning we need a video decoder chip to function |
| [05:15:31] | [R]: | ahhughes: i dindt say 'i use myth on arm, its nice'... i said ' iwrok on arm, its nice'... big difference |
| [05:15:32] | wagnerrp: | one of the new quad-core tegras may come close, if youve got multi-sliced H264 |
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| [05:15:41] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: look at the reports from the first three buiildbot slaves |
| [05:17:09] | ** wagnerrp waits for it... ** | |
| [05:17:19] | [R]: | that's what she said? |
| [05:17:48] | Beirdo: | the [: 21: ..: unexpected operator |
| [05:18:13] | wagnerrp: | the /bin/bash: Command not found |
| [05:18:15] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [05:18:21] | Beirdo: | pretty sure sh is munging it wrong. |
| [05:18:24] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [05:18:39] | Beirdo: | why can't freebsd get with the program? :) |
| [05:18:53] | Beirdo: | fine |
| [05:19:04] | [R]: | i think thats why fedora is doing usrmove |
| [05:19:08] | wagnerrp: | why cant you C we're not a bunch of bourne again open sourcers |
| [05:19:09] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [05:19:42] | wagnerrp: | if you want, i can just link /bin/bash to /usr/local/bin/bash |
| [05:19:52] | wagnerrp: | probably save you a bunch of hassle |
| [05:20:09] | Beirdo: | let me see if I can make it work right in sh |
| [05:21:02] | Beirdo: | let's try that |
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| [05:22:56] | wagnerrp: | so... will it get the bash version, or the new bourne version? |
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| [05:26:29] | kmcorbett: | to whom it may concern: thanks for mythweb. |
| [05:27:05] | wagnerrp: | weeee! |
| [05:27:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: im not even sure what went wrong there |
| [05:27:45] | ahhughes: | is there a rest API for mythbackend? |
| [05:27:46] | wagnerrp: | did it not like you replacing the file mid-run? |
| [05:28:18] | wagnerrp: | ahhughes: yeah, one of the BBC guys wrote it, i dont remember the project webpage off hand |
| [05:29:53] | ahhughes: | I'd be able to whip up a java client rather quickly these days... |
| [05:30:24] | wagnerrp: | if youre talking about the Services API, that's not exactly REST |
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| [05:31:27] | ahhughes: | thats all I could find |
| [05:32:18] | [R]: | does a "restful" protocol make you want to go to sleep? |
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| [05:35:16] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: shouldn't have cared |
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| [05:36:10] | Beirdo: | it only checks out the script at the beginning |
| [05:38:40] | kmcorbett: | Q: using HDHomeRun Prime, to get the backend to use the 3rd tuner (in 0.24+fixes) does that require custom SQL? There's a guide in the wiki that refers to "copying" but doesn't say how. can I get a clue? |
| [05:39:14] | wagnerrp: | kmcorbett: at this point, better to just use 0.25 |
| [05:39:33] | kmcorbett: | can I expect a reasonably smooth upgrade? (ducks) |
| [05:39:43] | wagnerrp: | 0.25 just hit beta, and is ramping up for a release at the beginning of april |
| [05:39:57] | kmcorbett: | ah! good to know. thanks |
| [05:45:04] | kmcorbett: | I can upgrade the host where I've been experimenting with mythbuntu 11.10. |
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| [05:58:40] | kmcorbett: | Any advice about tweaking the frontend configured audio device? I'm not getting sound in live tv. mythfrontend logs a complaint about a (non-existent) audio device not initializing, and then the settings>General page won't come up; the GUI hangs until I back out by pressing Esc twice. |
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| [08:31:36] | Shadow__X: | kmcorbett: did you set it up in the frontend? |
| [08:32:19] | kmcorbett: | is there any other way? |
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| [08:33:31] | kmcorbett: | Shadow_X: you mean the configured audio device? can that be set in mythtv-setup? |
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| [08:37:51] | Shadow__X: | kmcorbett: setup the audio device within myth frontend |
| [08:38:38] | kmcorbett: | problem is I can't get to the audio device screen in mythfrontend. I've reproduced this after re-installing mythubuntu 11.10 wiping the previous attempt. |
| [08:39:22] | Shadow__X: | what do you mean you cant get to the audio device screen |
| [08:40:14] | kmcorbett: | I hit return on the menu item (General IIRC) and mythfrontend hangs. logs the error about audio. hangs, hangs, hangs… long while… I can hit Esc twice and regain control of the screen. |
| [08:40:50] | kmcorbett: | On this PC I Have never seen the audio settings menu. i forget otoh where it is, advanced, setup, blah, General(?) |
| [08:40:53] | Shadow__X: | going into settings? |
| [08:40:58] | kmcorbett: | but I can't get there. |
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| [08:41:06] | kmcorbett: | hang on I haven't tried in a few days, going now. |
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| [08:41:32] | kmcorbett: | i ran the control center option to convert to a desktop, now finding my way around. |
| [08:42:40] | Shadow__X: | frontend is under media i believe but also make sure you get audio outside of mythtv |
| [08:44:54] | kmcorbett: | Yes I have audio in other apps. |
| [08:45:34] | kmcorbett: | Amusingly, now mythfrontend sees "no connection to the backend", though mythbackend was running, restart didn't help. rebooting. |
| [08:46:15] | kmcorbett: | The message about audio is: Audio device ALSA:dmix:CARD=Generic,DEV=0 isn't usable Check audio configuration |
| [08:46:32] | kmcorbett: | the input I want is hdmi:CARD=Generic,DEV=0 |
| [08:47:35] | Shadow__X: | you can change that in the settings menu |
| [08:51:33] | Shadow__X: | the option to change audio is in utilities/setup -> setup -> general -> on the 4th page |
| [08:52:13] | Shadow__X: | i believe there is a way to set the audio device through terminal to get it to start but i am not sure of the flags to use |
| [08:54:56] | kmcorbett: | argh, I'm trying to get into the settings menu and losing. it's advanced>Setup>General that hangs after I press <enter> |
| [08:55:16] | kmcorbett: | I'm inclined to punt on this and start the upgrade to 0.25. glad to start beta testing |
| [08:56:14] | Shadow__X: | i am sure you would be able to get that issue fixed |
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| [08:56:26] | Shadow__X: | i would not start beta testing without atleast getting this started |
| [08:58:45] | kmcorbett: | looking again at the output log, i'm seeing ThemeInfo Warning unable to open themeinfo.xml for [path] then ThemeInfo, Error The theme [path] is missing a ThemeInfo.xml file. |
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| [09:10:13] | Shadow__X: | www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digital_Sound |
| [09:16:36] | jya: | Shadow__X: I would say that 90% of that page is obsolete |
| [09:17:04] | jya: | maybe at the time of 0.21 … |
| [09:18:12] | jya: | kmcorbett: are you using an ATI video card? |
| [09:18:33] | jya: | the "have to press ESC-twice to see antthing" I've seen that on my PC with an ATI card |
| [09:18:46] | jya: | changing the video rendering from OpenGL to Qt helped |
| [09:19:01] | jya: | you can't select an audio device that isn't there. |
| [09:19:16] | jya: | you go into the audio config page, select an audio channel, test it.. that's it |
| [09:19:26] | jya: | there should *never* be any needs to configure it by hand |
| [09:19:37] | kmcorbett: | jya: ATI Radeon HD 6310 |
| [09:19:58] | jya: | no wonder... |
| [09:20:06] | jya: | I knew that would have been the case |
| [09:20:12] | jya: | I have the same bug |
| [09:20:23] | kmcorbett: | well, the problem started after I got to the audio config page once, and clicked on the option to detect audio. |
| [09:20:36] | jya: | I uninstalled the ATI proprietary drivers, and use the open source one instead |
| [09:20:51] | jya: | kmcorbett: the work around I've used with the ATI driver to prevent the freeze |
| [09:21:01] | jya: | press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go into the console |
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| [09:21:07] | jya: | and back (Ctrl-Alt-F7) |
| [09:21:16] | jya: | and magic: screen is refreshed again |
| [09:21:58] | jya: | but really, I'd say that the ati drivers with my ATI card (6970) are useless |
| [09:22:06] | jya: | freeze after freeze |
| [09:22:18] | kmcorbett: | good ideas: Qt, open source drivers. in fact, I had recently installed the proprietary drivers (and I may have clicked around in Catalyst OpenGL settings) all because I was having audio problems in all apps. |
| [09:22:44] | jya: | kmcorbett: the hdmi audio support in ATI is also very poor |
| [09:22:51] | kmcorbett: | I doubt my little nettop can hold a better video card. <sigh> |
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| [09:22:56] | jya: | if it works, you;re likely only going to get stereo orking |
| [09:23:15] | jya: | that's if it works.. |
| [09:23:36] | jya: | i can't believe that in 2012, the ATI drivers are still so buggy |
| [09:23:39] | kmcorbett: | stereo is fine for my desk setting. That won't affect audio recording from TV source will it? |
| [09:23:48] | jya: | last I tried was like 4 years ago, and it's no better |
| [09:23:56] | jya: | kmcorbett: no, only playback |
| [09:24:00] | jya: | but stereo only is fine |
| [09:24:00] | kmcorbett: | yeah |
| [09:25:16] | kmcorbett: | ok I will fiddle a very little more, before punting and reinstalling Ubuntu – that's what I did, a few times, after I first bought this nettop. |
| [09:25:22] | kmcorbett: | thanks for the tips |
| [09:25:41] | jya: | kmcorbett: if you use 0.25, and use a very recent version of ALSA ( 1.0.25), selecting the proper hdmi audio device is very simple |
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| [09:25:50] | jya: | because it will show you what is connected to the hdmi device |
| [09:26:00] | jya: | so if you have 4 or 5 devices showing up |
| [09:26:08] | jya: | you can tell definitely which one is the good one |
| [09:26:28] | kmcorbett: | currently, aplay -L shows just the one hdmi device. |
| [09:26:50] | kmcorbett: | I'm pretty sure I have 1.0.24 ALSA, but that's fixable. |
| [09:28:10] | jya: | never seen aplay -L showing only one hdmi device , unless you've manually played with the boot kernel settings |
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| [10:10:59] | ServerSage: | Wow, mythfilldatabase output sure is a lot prettier in 0.25. |
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| [10:15:19] | Roklobsta: | Damn TV stations in .au are getting bad at not adhering to their own schedules. MythTV now needs a hard 20min overrun. |
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| [11:56:27] | slappy: | hello |
| [11:56:42] | slappy: | I was on here a day or two ago asking about excessive output from handbrake |
| [11:57:07] | slappy: | anyway, my script works great when run as user mythtv from the command line, the transcodes complete perfectly |
| [11:57:26] | slappy: | however when I launch it from mythweb, it terminates at the 5:00 of any recording, everytime |
| [11:58:18] | slappy: | here's the script: http://pastebin.com/ZBT8hjtz |
| [11:59:00] | slappy: | wagnerrp, you suggested a few things, one of them was to use >/dev/null as the last handbrakecli argument, and that works great when launched from the command line |
| [11:59:23] | slappy: | but it does not help for mythweb, i don't know why the two would behave differently? |
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| [12:07:17] | slappy: | I guess whats different is that to call from the command line I pass the --chanid and --starttime arguments, and I guess mythweb uses jobid ? |
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| [13:57:01] | toeb: | so, whats the best way to find a pattern for an eit fixup? |
| [13:58:35] | toeb: | probalby by browsing the contents of the db right? Has anyone a query ready to list title,subtitle on a per channel basis? |
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| [14:07:32] | wagnerrp: | slappy: i suggested adding that to the line you call inside the transcode script |
| [14:08:16] | wagnerrp: | you need to get the total text output of whatever executable you call in that transcode script under 64KB |
| [14:08:58] | wagnerrp: | since the 0.24 bindings do not flush that pipe |
| [14:09:03] | wagnerrp: | as soon as the pipe fills |
| [14:09:08] | wagnerrp: | handbrakecli blocks |
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| [16:05:09] | jimbolaya: | Hello. I'm trying to get my Ceton configured on my myth backend. I'm running 0.24-fixes with the information from Ron Frazier. |
| [16:05:24] | wagnerrp: | s/information/patches/ ? |
| [16:07:15] | jimbolaya: | I'm running on Ubuntu 10.04. I ran the instructions from Ron Fraizer's page. |
| [16:07:15] | jimbolaya: | Specifically, I'm having problems with getting Clear QAM running right. |
| [16:07:53] | wagnerrp: | by 'instructions', you mean you recompiled it with his patches? |
| [16:08:16] | jimbolaya: | Right. From http://mythtvblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/ceton- . . . -part-3.html |
| [16:09:05] | wagnerrp: | im not sure if the Ceton card will actually operate in clearqam mode without a cablecard |
| [16:09:59] | jimbolaya: | The script seems to tune things in fine. The problem I'm having is that after I run his script my mythweb interface claims "No TV Configured" |
| [16:10:20] | jimbolaya: | He has a script to tune in the ClearQAM channels. |
| [16:10:30] | jimbolaya: | And put them into the database. |
| [16:11:02] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what that script does |
| [16:11:19] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i would recommend upgrading to 0.25 instead |
| [16:11:37] | wagnerrp: | where ron's patches are included and i assume much more tightly integrated |
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| [16:15:39] | jimbolaya: | Hrm. OK. I can try that. Do you know of any repositories for that version for Ubuntu 10.04? |
| [16:16:14] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu should carry a package |
| [16:16:35] | jimbolaya: | I'll check there. Otherwise I guess I'll build it. |
| [16:16:50] | wagnerrp: | note, upgrading to 0.25 is irreversible, you will not be able to downgrade |
| [16:17:03] | wagnerrp: | there will be a database backup automatically performed before the database is updated |
| [16:17:20] | wagnerrp: | but if you choose to revert, you must discard the updated database, and restore from that backup |
| [16:17:27] | wagnerrp: | losing any recordings or changes you have made since that backup |
| [16:17:31] | jimbolaya: | Yeah, I lost all my live TV with a hardware upgrade and disk failures a while ago, so I don't really care ATM. |
| [16:17:49] | wagnerrp: | well you lose all your Live TV anyway |
| [16:17:57] | wagnerrp: | it gets automatically deleted after a day |
| [16:19:54] | jimbolaya: | Sorry, I mean all my recorded shows. Either way, I don't have anything to lose. |
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| [17:02:21] | mangus580: | so whats my best bet for a store bought remote for a mythtv frontend? |
| [17:02:46] | wagnerrp: | an MCEUSB compatbile one |
| [17:04:12] | mangus580: | I just wasnt sure if there was a favorite 'go to newegg and just buy this one' |
| [17:06:39] | mangus580: | maybe I should mention I need a receiver too, since I cant get my serial reciever working right |
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| [17:07:43] | wagnerrp: | im not actually seeing any on newegg currently |
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| [17:10:04] | mangus580: | well newegg was an example – I am shopping for a new case, and it got me thinking about a remote too – any cases (low cost) with functional infrared receivers? |
| [17:10:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: this isn't one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880101008 |
| [17:11:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: considerably less buttons than on mine, and no IR blaster |
| [17:11:54] | wagnerrp: | im just trying to find an remote/receive like the ones i have, since i know those are actually MCEUSB devices, rather than fake keyboards |
| [17:12:59] | mangus580: | nMedia made a nice keyboard/remote combo – that has a trackball on the remote even – but I dont think its mythtv supported |
| [17:13:07] | mangus580: | and is lik e$70 for the pair |
| [17:13:24] | wagnerrp: | its a keyboard/mouse |
| [17:13:30] | wagnerrp: | it cant be mythtv supported |
| [17:13:41] | mangus580: | kinda what i figured |
| [17:13:43] | wagnerrp: | just like every other keyboard cant be supported |
| [17:13:51] | mangus580: | :-) |
| [17:13:57] | wagnerrp: | it just receives keystrokes from X |
| [17:14:09] | wagnerrp: | there is no way for it to directly access the hardware to do anything |
| [17:15:02] | mangus580: | of course... I do wonder about the longevity of mythtv for me.. |
| [17:15:26] | mangus580: | since my recording is only SD at the moment, and I am debating ditching my cable service |
| [17:15:44] | mangus580: | so its really more of a video playing frontend now |
| [17:16:08] | mangus580: | but it does work great for that! |
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| [17:43:49] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: do you not think the mce remote sphery linked will work? or is it just not what you had in mind? |
| [17:44:13] | wagnerrp: | i dont know, so i cant recommend someone else spend money on it |
| [17:44:41] | jams: | thats why you get the streamzap |
| [17:45:06] | jams: | no wondering if it changed boards or id on you. a streamzap is a streamzap |
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| [17:51:38] | mangus580: | whats a streamzap? |
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| [17:51:47] | wagnerrp: | a remote |
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| [17:52:16] | mangus580: | hmmm |
| [17:52:19] | mangus580: | I shall go look |
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| [17:54:44] | xavierh: | wargnerrp: any keyboard are supported by mythtv, just have to use inputdev, don't you ? |
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| [17:58:09] | deegan: | uhm, I get "frequency is out of range" errors and some channels wont lock in. I have not re-scanned, i have only upgraded mythtv from time to time and now i have like 10 channels that refuse to lock in. Is this common? |
| [17:58:14] | deegan: | dvb-s |
| [17:58:31] | deegan: | From what i can tell this stuff has just happened out of the blue. |
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| [18:04:08] | deegan: | my version: mythtv-0-24-fixes-v0.24.2-19-g02dd6ee |
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| [18:05:22] | sphery: | xavierh: he wasn't saying you couldn't use it with mythtv but that there's nothing for mythtv to support or not support since the kernel and X provide keyboard support |
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| [18:06:08] | sphery: | deegan: generally that error message is wrong/harmless when using DVB-S... I'm guessing you need to rescan, now, if you're using DVB-S |
| [18:07:28] | deegan: | sphery: oh boy. I hate re-scanning. Do you know if there is a way for me to just look at lyngsat and compare the information there to what i have in the channelscan_channel table and just do it manually? It's an awful hassle to sort out my channel list again imo. |
| [18:08:46] | sphery: | there's a ton of information spread across a bunch of tables, and no supported way of just editing DVB tuning data directly, so the scan is probably your best bet |
| [18:08:52] | sphery: | however, you /should/ do a backup first |
| [18:09:01] | mangus580: | jams: do you use the streamzap? are you happy with it? |
| [18:09:06] | sphery: | then, if you're not happy with the result (or it doesn't help), you can just restore the backup |
| [18:09:37] | deegan: | Yea that's my normal procedure. Thanks for answering, now I know what I gotta do. |
| [18:10:48] | sphery: | deegan: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore (just need to read the Quick Start section, probably), then you can restore that backup as easily as http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database |
| [18:11:06] | sphery: | (assuming you make a backup file as in the quick start section :) |
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| [18:22:38] | jams: | mangus580- yeah i have several |
| [18:26:47] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: do you know if there is any way to change the suffix ordering in portage? |
| [18:26:57] | kormoc: | There is not |
| [18:27:18] | wagnerrp: | the built in ordering goes _alpha, _beta, _pre, _rc |
| [18:27:31] | wagnerrp: | but since we went from _pre to _beta, things are no longer updating |
| [18:27:46] | kormoc: | Yeah, we made a mistake, we should have used _alpha :( |
| [18:28:15] | wagnerrp: | well we just followed the tagging in git |
| [18:29:01] | wagnerrp: | so should mythtv follow the above ordering for the 0.26 cycle? |
| [18:29:07] | wagnerrp: | or do we just translate it internally? |
| [18:29:15] | wagnerrp: | specific to gentoo |
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| [18:32:54] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: this is what we were discussing yesterday ^^^ |
| [18:33:39] | mangus580: | what case lcd modules can myth worth with? |
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| [18:34:47] | sphery: | mangus580: my completely uneducated guess (meaning don't make purchase decisions based on this) is any LCD that works with LCDproc ( http://lcdproc.org/ ) |
| [18:36:04] | mangus580: | k |
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| [18:45:57] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: so your suggestion is that when we branch, the new branch should be tagged 0.26_alpha? |
| [18:46:10] | Beirdo: | errr, master should be |
| [18:46:22] | wagnerrp: | no, my suggestion is "tell me what to do" |
| [18:46:23] | Beirdo: | the new branch would be tagged 0.25 |
| [18:46:25] | wagnerrp: | i dont care either way |
| [18:46:39] | wagnerrp: | whether mythtv itself follows that naming |
| [18:46:47] | wagnerrp: | or we just translate it when generating ebuilds |
| [18:47:05] | Beirdo: | well, for 0.w25, unfortunately for ebuilds... it's pre, beta, rc |
| [18:47:26] | Beirdo: | but I don't have an issue personally with going alpha, beta, rc for 0.26 |
| [18:47:39] | Beirdo: | we should put that up for discussion on the list, see if anyone cares :) |
| [18:47:48] | wagnerrp: | internal one i assume? |
| [18:48:11] | Beirdo: | yeah. It might sort better for RPM-land and DEB-land too for all I know |
| [18:49:05] | wagnerrp: | ill write something up later today then |
| [18:51:17] | Beirdo: | Cool |
| [18:51:18] | sphery: | we could change our tag to qbeta |
| [18:51:30] | Beirdo: | haha. |
| [18:51:33] | sphery: | _pre, _qbeta, _rc |
| [18:51:36] | Beirdo: | or not :) |
| [18:51:50] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how it would handle that |
| [18:51:54] | sphery: | hehe, probably a good idea to not |
| [18:52:01] | Beirdo: | I'd think it'd be smarter to map it in the ebuild process than to do that ;) |
| [18:52:09] | sphery: | It just looked like it's relying on alpha-numeric ordering |
| [18:52:20] | sphery: | agreed, though |
| [18:52:31] | sphery: | besides, I wouldn't want to have to explain what a qbeta is :) |
| [18:52:42] | wagnerrp: | so, having two separate 'workdir's on the master branch is a bad thing |
| [18:52:54] | sphery: | It's a video game from the '80s, where you control a hoppy little guy on a 3-D staircase! |
| [18:53:11] | wagnerrp: | if you pull one, the other one gets out of sync, and you have to manually checkout everything to reset to master |
| [18:53:16] | wagnerrp: | or 'reset --hard' |
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| [19:20:16] | trumee: | i am trying to setup acpi wakeup following the wiki |
| [19:21:42] | trumee: | does somebody know when is the "command to set wake-up time" triggered? I have setup a recording using mythweb but dont see the rtc being setup. |
| [19:25:46] | CyberKnet: | any suggestions for when live tv works fine, but scheduled recordings aren't recording? |
| [19:33:22] | CyberKnet: | upcoming recordings show... but nothing records |
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| [19:37:00] | CyberKnet: | hmmm... trying to schedule a recording in mythweb won't allow the recording to show as being scheduled |
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| [19:37:39] | CyberKnet: | It did create the schedules though ...but they don't show in upcoming recordinsg. |
| [19:38:56] | CyberKnet: | running mythbackend --printsched shows the scheduled recordings |
| [19:39:30] | CyberKnet: | running mythbackend --printsched ... it seems to hang after saying "Inputs, Card IDs, and Conflict info may be invalid if you have multiple tuners" |
| [19:39:39] | CyberKnet: | err... --testsched for that last one. |
| [19:40:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you know of an instance where a recording could be in the `recorded` table, but not accessible through the ProgramInfo class? |
| [19:41:12] | CyberKnet: | adding "-v all" shows more info, but the last line printed is still "Inputs, Card IDs, and Conflict info may be invalid if you have multiple tuners." |
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| [19:45:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what do you mean "not accessible through the ProgramInfo class"? Do you mean from one of the LoadFrom...() functions or do you mean from a ProgramInfo string list as provided over protocol by some proto method or over API or ... |
| [19:45:40] | wagnerrp: | the find_orphans stuff on the mailing list |
| [19:45:59] | wagnerrp: | the various entries are populated straight from the recorded table |
| [19:46:15] | wagnerrp: | however in order to delete, it must retrieve a ProgramInfo string from the backend |
| [19:46:25] | wagnerrp: | using QUERY_RECORDING <chanid> <starttime> |
| [19:46:47] | wagnerrp: | since its failing back to the list, that method is erroring |
| [19:47:09] | wagnerrp: | which means the backend is returning a negative response, rather than the matching ProgramInfo |
| [19:48:34] | mangus580: | any of you run 'mythdroid'? |
| [19:48:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: different topic, with the plan to move to an embedded database for 0.27, is there going to be any form of SQL syntax access? |
| [19:51:03] | CyberKnet: | aw man. I've been rooting against that embedded database for a long, long time. |
| [19:51:10] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [19:51:19] | CyberKnet: | because I'm the person they're trying to keep out! :D |
| [19:51:32] | wagnerrp: | so instead, get your services calls in! |
| [19:51:45] | CyberKnet: | There have been several times I've had to go in and reset a setting for a front end. |
| [19:52:02] | wagnerrp: | why not use '-O setting=value' |
| [19:52:02] | CyberKnet: | The painter setting is one I recall having had to flip myself. |
| [19:52:12] | wagnerrp: | -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [19:52:22] | CyberKnet: | because most likely I didn't know it was there. |
| [19:52:23] | wagnerrp: | or now, its UIPainter or something |
| [19:52:33] | CyberKnet: | Yeah ... this was quite a while back. |
| [19:53:12] | CyberKnet: | I've messed with databases when I export and then reimport for an upgrade or something... |
| [19:53:22] | CyberKnet: | you know ... the random stuff people do to databases because they can. |
| [19:53:39] | wagnerrp: | they shouldnt do those things |
| [19:53:55] | CyberKnet: | that's what I'm told. |
| [19:53:58] | wagnerrp: | if they think they should be doing those things, they should implement proper methods to do them inside the code |
| [19:54:30] | wagnerrp: | the whole web server industry has moved towards middleware, abstracting the database from the top level application, for that purpose |
| [19:54:44] | wagnerrp: | before that, they used stored procedures for that purpose |
| [19:55:11] | wagnerrp: | all with the point of limiting access to optimized, safe queries |
| [19:55:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no idea on the find_orphans thing... I think it's like you say and something weird is happening on the backend (though LoadProgramFromRecorded() should be able to return programinfo for any recording--even deletepending ones), so no idea what the weird could be |
| [19:56:42] | sphery: | CyberKnet: if you're still flipping the painter setting you need to tell me and provide logs, as requested on -dev list |
| [19:57:06] | CyberKnet: | sphery: Naw, I haven't in years... |
| [19:57:09] | CyberKnet: | just an example. |
| [19:57:37] | sphery: | ok, good, you had me worried |
| [19:57:56] | CyberKnet: | more recently the only thing I've done is massage recording schedules and recorded program data when transferring a database between an old system and a new system. |
| [19:58:15] | CyberKnet: | what's to be used embedded ... sqlite? |
| [19:58:39] | wagnerrp: | mysql, same as before |
| [19:58:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: IMHO, if we have any SQL access, we should do pure sql and lose all type safety and lose all data integrity protection because users and 3rd party developers will use it just like they used mysql directly |
| [19:59:15] | sphery: | meaning the only benefit of embedded would then be that the user doesn't have to set up mysql himself--which is a good benefit--but it means our data is the same broken mess it is now |
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| [20:00:11] | clever: | sphery: what if you had a read-only sql interface, so you could peek at things, and then had a compile-time option for devs to enable write access? |
| [20:01:01] | clever: | aslong as the distro's compile it with read-only enabled, it will limit db damage to 'experts' who can compile it and actualy force it on |
| [20:01:36] | CyberKnet: | Well, I suppose I'll hope for complete coverage of the database via the Services API so that I can update any data i need to safely. |
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| [20:02:02] | clever: | CyberKnet: yeah, that would be better |
| [20:02:55] | CyberKnet: | I will note though ... my data has never been a broken mess that I know of. I don't doubt that some people do ReallyBadThings(tm) to their databases... and probably hose themselves in the process. |
| [20:03:17] | CyberKnet: | although who knows. maybe the back end issue I'm chasin now is because one time years ago I updated a table I shouldn't have. |
| [20:03:28] | CyberKnet: | any backend / scheduling experts around? I'm stumped. |
| [20:03:46] | clever: | ive added a whole table to the db that doesnt belong there, and patched things to use it, and dont have any issues related to that |
| [20:03:59] | clever: | though i never got arround to patching the ui to make use of it |
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| [20:12:01] | sphery: | clever: if devs have write access they will use it rather than fixing the code so it's not needed :) |
| [20:12:20] | sphery: | i.e. it shouldn't be easy for devs or users to touch the internal data directly--that's what code is for |
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| [20:21:27] | clever: | sphery: i was thinking more so devs can test sql on the db to see if it fixes it, then code things to run that sql |
| [20:21:38] | CyberKnet: | weirdest thing: rebooting always fixes this backend scheduling issue ... restarting mythbackend does not. |
| [20:21:51] | clever: | and with it compile time and default off, noobs cant break it easily |
| [20:22:14] | clever: | and if distro's leave it off, 3rd party stuff cant mess things up without forcing the user to rebuild |
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| [20:34:39] | kenni: | Does anyone besides me see a lot of RingBuffer messages in the backend log when watching live tv on master? Like http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=nVet4cwU – it doesn't appear to affect playback, it just fills the log. |
| [20:35:18] | kenni: | it doesn't happen while watching recordings |
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| [20:57:36] | RingZer0: | Need help installing on an appletv. I have full ssh. I even have MythBox installed and working ( well, it kinda needs the application as its just a front end ) |
| [20:58:14] | skd5aner: | RingZer0: You're going to have to find something else (more than likely) to install mythtv on (specifically, for mythbackend to run on) |
| [20:58:16] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt run on an appletv |
| [20:58:23] | skd5aner: | you need something with storage, and tuners |
| [20:58:33] | skd5aner: | appletv can't support either of those |
| [20:59:18] | skd5aner: | !url – list |
| [20:59:18] | MythLogBot: | analoghw currentrelease deleteme(disabled) devrelease digitalhw down faq fixesrelease google linuxtv lmgtfy log logs overscan pastebin recordingcable theming tuners upnp vdpau wiki |
| [20:59:35] | skd5aner: | !url faq |
| [20:59:35] | MythLogBot: | faq: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC |
| [20:59:43] | RingZer0: | wagnerrp: hmm... that's silly, why is there a front end then? |
| [20:59:44] | skd5aner: | well, that's not what I wanted |
| [20:59:53] | wagnerrp: | RingZer0: what do you mean? |
| [21:00:01] | RingZer0: | http://code.google.com/p/mythbox/ |
| [21:00:07] | wagnerrp: | thats not mythtv |
| [21:00:08] | skd5aner: | RingZer0: that's a third party component |
| [21:00:22] | wagnerrp: | we do not develop or support the 'mythbox' plugin to xbmc |
| [21:00:23] | skd5aner: | ... it attempts to speak mythprotocol, to a mythbackend |
| [21:00:43] | RingZer0: | so its a client/server model? |
| [21:00:46] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [21:00:57] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/ExecutiveOverview |
| [21:01:04] | RingZer0: | e.g. I can install mythtv on my local rhel or ubuntu box |
| [21:01:22] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ^ a URL shortcut to that would be handy |
| [21:01:29] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview rather |
| [21:01:29] | RingZer0: | then 'point' the mythbox fe to my mythtv backend via IP ? |
| [21:01:32] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I thought there was one already |
| [21:02:06] | skd5aner: | RingZer0: yes |
| [21:02:30] | skd5aner: | assuming mythbox works with the version of mythtv (mythbackend) you install and run |
| [21:02:33] | wagnerrp: | RingZer0: note that what you will record using mythtv will be primarily MPEG2 in a TS container |
| [21:02:46] | wagnerrp: | apple does not support playback of MPEG2 content on the ATV |
| [21:02:49] | jams: | sometimes i'm really disappointed with gits merge ability |
| [21:02:56] | skd5aner: | sometimes? |
| [21:03:23] | jams: | well it does work about 1/2 the time |
| [21:03:25] | wagnerrp: | and what support XBMC has managed to eek out of the hardware decoder by bypassing Apple's top level decoder, and hitting the hidden lower level API, i have no idea |
| [21:03:33] | Beirdo: | git merges better than any other VCS I've ever used. |
| [21:04:10] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: '!url overview' maybe? |
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| [21:04:34] | RingZer0: | so ... mythtv != internet tv? |
| [21:04:37] | Beirdo: | k, one sec |
| [21:04:44] | RingZer0: | it seems like a decoderbox |
| [21:04:48] | wagnerrp: | RingZer0: mythtv == recorded tv |
| [21:04:57] | wagnerrp: | you give it tuner cards, and it records using tuner cards |
| [21:05:00] | RingZer0: | oh, its dvr |
| [21:05:08] | RingZer0: | gotcha |
| [21:05:46] | wagnerrp: | there is an IPTV component, but only supports a particular blend of unencrypted RTSP multicast video found through a handful of ISPs |
| [21:05:49] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: oh sure... I ask for it, and nothing... wagnerrp asks and instant results... crimeny ;) |
| [21:06:04] | RingZer0: | I am trying to replace my cable company, lol, I suppose this isn't really 'for' me |
| [21:06:36] | wagnerrp: | what were you intending on replacing it with? hulu? |
| [21:06:38] | Beirdo: | hehe, relax. I *am* at work after all :) |
| [21:06:43] | Beirdo: | !url overview |
| [21:06:43] | MythLogBot: | overview: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [21:06:54] | sphery: | I thought you put the overview in there, already... |
| [21:07:02] | wagnerrp: | you can use mythtv and a tuner card to access the broadcast channels |
| [21:07:03] | Beirdo: | not that I could see |
| [21:07:13] | wagnerrp: | like ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, etc... |
| [21:07:36] | wagnerrp: | but any of the cable networks would only be available through a cable or satellite subscription |
| [21:07:47] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps some flash-based player on their own websites |
| [21:08:19] | RingZer0: | wagnerrp: hulu or whatever works I suppose. |
| [21:08:46] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has MythNetvision that offers access to sites like Hulu |
| [21:08:59] | wagnerrp: | but its only as useful as the site allows |
| [21:09:15] | wagnerrp: | for hulu in particular, they offer no external API through which to control the player |
| [21:09:16] | RingZer0: | wagnerrp: yeah, i suppose flash-based-players would work. I guess I am going to write some curl w/ dom manipulation to get my ... "desired affect" |
| [21:09:26] | wagnerrp: | so you would have to use a mouse to control it and exit playback |
| [21:09:45] | wagnerrp: | curl cant do anything for hulu |
| [21:09:55] | wagnerrp: | since it uses encrypted RTMP streaming |
| [21:10:13] | wagnerrp: | its not a chunked HTTP download like many other flash-based players |
| [21:10:22] | RingZer0: | nono, that's fine. I just want my viewport to look like I want it to :) |
| [21:10:33] | RingZer0: | i dont mind using their flash, their player, etc. |
| [21:10:40] | RingZer0: | but I want to append my own JS for controls, etc |
| [21:10:55] | wagnerrp: | but you cant, because hulu doesnt expose any for their flash player |
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| [21:11:01] | RingZer0: | i'll figure it out, I always do. |
| [21:11:16] | wagnerrp: | or at least they dont document them if there are any to interface with |
| [21:11:26] | wagnerrp: | if you know of any, we would love to hear about them |
| [21:11:33] | RingZer0: | really? take 10 seconds, go to hulu, open firebug's 'net' tab and click on "flash" |
| [21:11:39] | wagnerrp: | as would several people on their forums who have requested such features |
| [21:11:39] | RingZer0: | you'll see what you need. |
| [21:12:00] | RingZer0: | I am typically creating things that dont exist and releasing to open source communities. |
| [21:13:18] | RingZer0: | e.g. im not a wordpress plugin dev, but I made a wp plugin integrating codemirror2, ajax saves, etc... just cause I wanted to... someone took the project, branched it out, etc. If a human being can "surf it" it can be automated & manipulated, even if you have to go down to packet filtering. |
| [21:13:26] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, guess it was releasenotes you added (and fixed nocablecard and recordingcable) |
| [21:14:08] | RingZer0: | how do you think people figured out how to identify shsh blobs for 'downgrading' i-devices — anything is possible |
| [21:14:25] | ** RingZer0 has identified wagnerrp as the antognist :) ** | |
| [21:15:49] | wagnerrp: | RingZer0: im talking about something like this... http://vimeo.com/api/docs/player-js |
| [21:16:33] | Beirdo: | ah yeah |
| [21:16:38] | wagnerrp: | hulu doesnt have anything like that, at least not that i know of |
| [21:16:40] | RingZer0: | ahh, i see what you are saying. |
| [21:16:44] | RingZer0: | no, nor me |
| [21:17:02] | RingZer0: | but I can emulate ui and click events |
| [21:17:42] | wagnerrp: | for flash players that have mechanisms like that, mythnetvision allows you to wrap their flash player in another website, and provide javascript hooks to control the player through mythtv |
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| [21:18:00] | RingZer0: | yeah, thats sick |
| [21:18:01] | jams: | sphery- here are some logs for you, end result is a black screen with opengl http://pastebin.com/L9eZ8GGw qt works fine. |
| [21:18:11] | wagnerrp: | for other flash players, the only option is whatever controls the flash player has itself |
| [21:18:21] | wagnerrp: | meaning keyboard or mouse |
| [21:18:42] | wagnerrp: | we dont have anything set up to allow emulation of keypresses and mouseclicks |
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| [21:20:16] | sphery: | jams: what date is that from (since the revesion seems to be one that's not in our repo). It looks like the same issue that I just fixed in https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/c5125787b and https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/1f464e9cd ... But note that you'll need a make distclean/configure to fix the issue |
| [21:20:28] | jams: | oh i did a checkout 2 minutes ago |
| [21:20:40] | sphery: | build from a clean configure |
| [21:20:50] | sphery: | er, built |
| [21:20:54] | jams: | k |
| [21:21:10] | sphery: | it looks like you're using OpenGL libs with MythTV and Qt that doesn't support OpenGL |
| [21:21:47] | sphery: | jams: oh, and thanks for the report... I really want the auto-selection to work for everyone :) |
| [21:23:02] | jams: | the revision has a patch or two of mine sitting in it, thats why it's a bit off |
| [21:23:16] | sphery: | jams: also, you might want to actually remove any mythtv libs from your system dirs, just in case |
| [21:23:42] | sphery: | yeah, that's what I figured... that's the down side of using git revision numbers--they may be completely meaningless |
| [21:24:02] | sphery: | (at least meaningless without additional information--and access to some other repo) |
| [21:24:15] | jams: | patches you won't like as it allows one to export the settings table to xml and reimport |
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| [21:26:06] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, we need to finish the in-app clone/reset settings stuff. I think there's something in http setup for that, but nothing for 0.25 |
| [21:26:29] | jams: | oh this patch does alot of stuff |
| [21:26:38] | jams: | save/clone/copy/change hostname/export/import |
| [21:27:42] | jams: | and restore |
| [21:29:13] | jams: | and show the differences between two hosts |
| [21:33:01] | jams: | sphery- so it works now..looks like it picking opengl |
| [21:33:23] | sphery: | cool |
| [21:33:46] | sphery: | it was severely broken, before, when run on a system with opengl es installed and a qt that used (normal) opengl |
| [21:33:53] | sphery: | s/run/compiled/ |
| [21:34:12] | sphery: | so I'm glad that's the same issue--I didn't want to have to dig into the ugly configure, again |
| [21:34:36] | sphery: | I probably should have made it more clear in the commit messages that a make distclean/configure was required |
| [21:34:59] | sphery: | I think I just sent an e-mail to the users list thread with the 2 users I knew of who had encountered the issue |
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| [21:35:19] | jams: | oh i see i do have libgles installed |
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| [21:35:41] | jams: | probably dragged in with something else |
| [21:35:45] | sphery: | yeah, seems Arch is putting it on there for some reason |
| [21:36:10] | jams: | kdebase-workspace |
| [21:36:21] | jams: | Required By : kdebase-workspace |
| [21:36:23] | sphery: | I think KDE pulls it in because some KDE dev said, "Hey, OpenGL ES is a cleaner API since there aren't 10M extensions, and are only shader programs, so if we use that, it's a cleaner implementation" |
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| [21:36:47] | jams: | funny |
| [21:36:55] | sphery: | of course, since you can't get OpenGL ES support from the nvidia proprietary drivers (nor AMD? I think), ... |
| [21:37:14] | jams: | your probably right. only reason kde is installed is because i like KATE,kmail,konsole |
| [21:37:37] | jams: | those 3 things require a whole bunch of other kde things |
| [21:38:27] | sphery: | I think they're probably relying on EGL or whatever it's called, now, as a "frontend" to choose the right GL implementation |
| [21:39:01] | jams: | including akonadi which i really dislike |
| [21:39:35] | jams: | as it's always crashing/restarting |
| [21:39:41] | sphery: | fun |
| [21:39:56] | sphery: | libs are a good thing--when they're good libs |
| [21:40:46] | jams: | so the point to take away from this..make embedded mysql work better then it does in akonadi :) |
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| [21:40:55] | justinh: | btw sphery – tried non-barriered fs.. mysql still sucks at mythtv queries. took ages to work out why mysql didn't like a different data directory though.. stupid aparmor |
| [21:40:58] | jams: | and other apps that use it |
| [21:42:03] | sphery: | justinh: hmmm, that's too bad |
| [21:42:03] | justinh: | I think maybe my '15' tuners has a lot to do with the slowness of the scheduler. Not much I'm willing to do about that so I'll put up with it |
| [21:42:32] | sphery: | yeah, not sure what else could cause big issues |
| [21:42:49] | justinh: | it'd be better for me if the frontend at least acknowledged it was going to do something though |
| [21:43:00] | sphery: | jams: hehe, interesting... so that's the embedded mysql user you warned me about :) |
| [21:43:13] | jams: | sphery- one of four |
| [21:43:17] | jams: | they all suck |
| [21:43:20] | justinh: | although for those where the query runs in 2 secs or under a popup or something would be annoying |
| [21:44:07] | justinh: | sphery: the other thing my test eliminated was the data partition being on the same spindle as / |
| [21:44:52] | jams: | webtrends data corrupter is another..granted its an old install and the company has since dropped use embedded mysql |
| [21:45:05] | jams: | but I still get the joy of using it |
| [21:45:19] | justinh: | maybe I can tweak mysql some more. something weird goes on where if I edit my.cnf without mysql being stopped, it doesn't stop properly & can be a cow to restart |
| [21:45:36] | justinh: | respawn being set in the upstart config probably didn't help that either |
| [21:45:51] | justinh: | why something like mysql would even need that... |
| [21:46:00] | justinh: | it's not *that* crashy is it? |
| [21:47:19] | sphery: | hehe, only time my mysqld has ever crashed was when my computer lost power |
| [21:47:45] | sphery: | that said, I'm not a /heavy/ mysql user (mythtv is my only mysql app, and it's pretty much a lightweight) |
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| [21:53:00] | justinh: | heh well it's certainly no wordpress.com ;-) |
| [21:53:49] | jams: | justinh- the fedora smolt mysql servers need a kick in the pants every other week or so. |
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| [21:59:39] | Libelah: | anyone who knows if a TT c2300 Card is still supported? Had it running with an older version some years ago and tried it now with 11.10 but it seems not to be recognized |
| [21:59:59] | wagnerrp: | the c2300 was never supported |
| [22:00:07] | wagnerrp: | in the sense that mythtv does not support tuner cards |
| [22:00:13] | wagnerrp: | we just support the tuner card APIs |
| [22:00:30] | wagnerrp: | and whatever cards have drivers that expose that interface |
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| [22:00:46] | Libelah: | ok – my fault |
| [22:00:53] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [22:00:54] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [22:01:43] | CyberKnet: | are you supposed to raid swap? |
| [22:01:52] | CyberKnet: | like if you are installing a server and you are running raid 1 |
| [22:01:57] | wagnerrp: | raid swap.... |
| [22:02:09] | CyberKnet: | you mirror the root parition ... do you mirror the swap too? |
| [22:02:14] | CyberKnet: | seems ... pointless ... |
| [22:02:42] | wagnerrp: | well if you lose the swap partition, your system is toast |
| [22:02:52] | wagnerrp: | its not needed so much for data integrity |
| [22:03:05] | wagnerrp: | but certainly if youre doing hotswap raid for uptime |
| [22:03:21] | CyberKnet: | so you create an MD device for swap too then? |
| [22:03:30] | wagnerrp: | if you wish |
| [22:05:34] | ** justinh is mostly testing an Oxford Semiconductor (ish) USB3-SATA adapter with hardware RAID0 & 1 this week ** | |
| [22:05:35] | sid3windr: | doesn't work for me |
| [22:05:53] | sid3windr: | something sees swap partition signatures on the separate devices and activates them before they get md'd |
| [22:06:06] | sid3windr: | or something. |
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| [22:12:39] | wagnerrp: | im confused... |
| [22:13:01] | wagnerrp: | WD is buying former Hitachi hard drives, now Viviti |
| [22:13:15] | wagnerrp: | but in exchange, they have to sell off manufacturing assets to toshiba |
| [22:13:25] | wagnerrp: | yet at the same time, theyre buying manufacturing assets from toshiba |
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| [22:14:26] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: heh |
| [22:16:35] | akv: | I'm about to buy a new TV and it has 3D capabilities... an I use tht from myth? I was told that it depended on the graphics card being supported... |
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| [22:17:00] | wagnerrp: | akv: sort-of and no |
| [22:17:20] | akv: | okay? |
| [22:17:35] | wagnerrp: | there are three different types of stereo vision (no longer to be erroneously called 3D) |
| [22:17:36] | Libelah: | Thanks for your help – downloaded the firmware as described here [1] and now the card shows up [1] http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TechnoTrend_Premium_C-2300 |
| [22:17:36] | MythLogBot: | SVN 1: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/ce7a5f62 |
| [22:17:36] | MythLogBot: | SVN 1: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/ce7a5f62 |
| [22:18:01] | wagnerrp: | first, you have the old heterochrome stereo, with the red-green glasses |
| [22:18:16] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does nothing for that, and video card and TV is irrelevant |
| [22:18:40] | wagnerrp: | then there is stereo done using two separate videos |
| [22:19:03] | wagnerrp: | this is only found on bluray at the moment, is not supported by mythtv, and requires support from both your tv and your video card |
| [22:19:27] | wagnerrp: | then you have the side-by-side, top-and-bottom, and interlaced modes |
| [22:19:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do they have 5.1 vision, available, yet? stereo just sounds so 1980's |
| [22:19:49] | wagnerrp: | where you have two images, each at half resolution, in a standard 1920x1080 frame |
| [22:20:02] | akv: | wagnerrp: i'm looking for the bluray kind |
| [22:20:16] | wagnerrp: | your tv needs support, but your video card does not, and mythtv will properly render the OSD in both frames if told that type youre using |
| [22:20:30] | wagnerrp: | this last type is the kind commonly used for broadcast stereo television |
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| [22:20:44] | justinh: | sphery: any more than 2.0 needs more than 2 eyes, I read somewhere |
| [22:21:11] | wagnerrp: | im actually wondering what the .1 would be |
| [22:23:03] | sphery: | justinh: I'm still trying to decide what interface to use for my additional eyes. I was considering USB 3.0, because it's universal, but then there was Thunderbolt, and now Lightning... Once you suture that in to your brain, you don't want to have to upgrade it later on. |
| [22:23:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think the .1 is for the infrared channel |
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| [22:24:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: theres also thunderclap... its like thunderbolt, but leaves a lingering burning sensation |
| [22:24:32] | justinh: | sphery: I think a wireless implant would be better. I mean, it's bad enough getting tangled in headphone cable if you fall asleep |
| [22:24:58] | wagnerrp: | you can actually sleep with big cans on the side your head? |
| [22:25:09] | justinh: | I can fall asleep anywhere these days |
| [22:25:29] | wagnerrp: | ah yes... offspring will do that |
| [22:25:59] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:26:02] | sphery: | x2 |
| [22:26:06] | awalls: | don't worry, the offspring will wake you as soon as they notice you have fallen asleep on the couch |
| [22:26:49] | justinh: | I'm told it won't get any easier until they've left home |
| [22:27:42] | awalls: | OTOH, once you have 2, the 3rd or 4th don't get any more difficult |
| [22:28:04] | justinh: | we're not having any more. End of story |
| [22:28:09] | awalls: | heh. |
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| [22:51:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, looks like GNU rottlog can do globs in log file names (i.e. handle our mythfrontend.<date>.<pid>.log) |
| [22:52:47] | sphery: | I've always used rottlog, instead of logrotate, but since I seem to be the odd man out on choice of log rotate programs, I just assumed if logrotate couldn't do globs or regexp, rottlog couldn't either |
| [22:52:51] | sphery: | see 13554.log mythtv-setup.20120306155648.10165.log |
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| [22:53:12] | sphery: | er, see http://www.gnu.org/software/rottlog/manual/ht . . . le-structure ... "A configuration-block-n-start is a list of one, or more, comma separated filenames to be archived, or rotated. A configuration block for a set of filenames, all stored in a single dir, can be used: path-to-dir/*" |
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| [23:05:34] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: should I call out any of the tmdb3 stuff in the release notes – for some reason, I've left it out completely |
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| [23:19:04] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . /003454.html – so is sox not required at all for anything? |
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| [23:21:41] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: this commit seemed to have added it – https://github.com/MythTV/nuvexport/commit/c18508f |
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| [23:29:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, we no longer need it |
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| [23:29:34] | Beirdo: | the code that feeds nuvexport does the downmixing now |
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| [23:57:05] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: no, the tmdb3 stuff wont be mentioned until the site itself becomes the primary API |
| [23:57:17] | wagnerrp: | the site is still in development |
| [23:58:29] | wagnerrp: | sox is required if you intend to build mythtv with shue support |
| [23:58:55] | ertyu-m: | heh, socks required for shoe |
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