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Monday, March 5th, 2012, 00:02 UTC

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k-man:

jya, i've decided i have not the time nor the skill to make my homebrew script make a mythtv package

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jya:

that's okay...

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jya:

i've finished my build script anyway

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jya:

compiling Qt is a bitch

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k-man:

jya, but i would like to get it to a point that it could make a useable build of mythtv – i just can't work out why the builds it makes run so slowly

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k-man:

jya, yeah, totally

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jya:

k-man: the other thing to remember, is that for my package to build and run properly, I've had to patch the code in master quite a bit

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k-man:

jya, ah right

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jya:

so if you're trying with 0.24, you're in for even more pain

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k-man:

is it on a seperate branch or you've applied those patches to master?

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jya:

i do plan to backport some of those are really, they are just fixes

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k-man:

jya, right

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jya:

most of them are committed to master

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k-man:

hmm.. i might try again with a plain master build then

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jya:

this adds support for compiling mythtv against framewoks rather than plain static lib

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k-man:

oh i see

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jya:

the previous build used to build Qt as static lib, and link myth to that

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jya:

this removes a fair deal of difficulty

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k-man:

wow, sounds like you have made significant improvements then

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jya:

the issue is that the core myth, expects to find all includes, libs in the same place

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k-man:

great stuff jya

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jya:

but on a mac, Qt builds by default as Framework

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jya:

so libraries are all over the place. the myth configure script and a few qmakefile had to be adjusted to support frameworks

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k-man:

that sounds fairly epic

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jya:

i don't know if it's significant improvement. I've spent over 100 hours on that task.. my lack of deep knowledge of mac shows, and most of the time has been wasted in troubleshooting what was going on

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k-man:

100 hours? cripes! i hope that you actually run mythtv on OSX

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jya:

not evenâ€¦ but I did want it to run

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k-man:

jya, what country do you reside in?

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k-man:

you don't even? blimey

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k-man:

you are very dedicated

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jya:

the other issue is that Qt on mac now is 64 bits only, and myth wouldn't compile in 64 bits mode until now

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jya:

live in Melbourne, Australia

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k-man:

jya, ah right, i live in sydney

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jya:

now looking back, it does seem that it's an indecent amount of time for what should have been a trivial task

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jya:

I've just hit walls after walls. and I became frustrated, and I had to get it done...

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k-man:

i don't actually run it much on the mac either, but i wanted to work on themes and as i run OSX on my notebook i got stuck wanting to be able to build mythtv and it being not possible for me

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k-man:

then i got sidetracked into the homebrew script

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k-man:

i really should give your script a shot

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jya:

there's nothing worse in trying to do something but don't understand the outcome of your changes.

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jya:

most of the time, it made no sense

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jya:

i haven't committed it yet. I'm still struggling with the build of universal binaries.. the way the mac link libs make no sense to me.

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k-man:

ah right

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jya:

the problem I have at hand, is that my universal executable, still refers to a 64 bits lib using an absolute path

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jya:

what I don't get is that I link 12 libs for mythfrontend

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jya:

8 are using relative path (good), and the other 4 are using static ones

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k-man:

sounds damn frustrating – i have no idea though

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jya:

actually, thinking about it, it's the libav ones.. they are the only one in C, all the other in C++.. wonder if that's the issue

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jya:

started to read this: https://blogs.oracle.com/dipol/entry/dynamic_ . . . path_and_mac

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jya:

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=xcode%20gcc . . . amp;bih=1075

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jya:

i really wasn't expecting to get stuck in that crap :(

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k-man:

bah, weechat's only annoying feature is it makes selecting long links difficult

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k-man:

but thats ok, chrome worked around it!

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jya:

just trying to see if my key to solving my linking problem is in fiddling with the rpath

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k-man:

no well, i'm really amazed you stuck it out and slogged through it

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darkdrgn3k:

hey guys

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darkdrgn3k:

trying to swich to a MCE usb blaster but every so often iti keeps missing a few "blasts"

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darkdrgn3k:

any sugestions?

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jm|laptop:

darkdrgn3k: airit that the MCE remotes basically send keystrokes? i.e. they're an USB keyboard device

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darkdrgn3k:

blaster not receiver

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darkdrgn3k:

and no, not really

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darkdrgn3k:

latest versions of the kernel do have support for that

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jm|laptop:

meh

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darkdrgn3k:

:(

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jm|laptop:

well, I have something similar and have the reverse of your problem; sometimes it seems to go mental and send way too many instructions. I found that amending the 'key' repeat speed and delay helped mildly

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jm|laptop:

indeed I have this in .xinitrc

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jm|laptop:

xset -r 116

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jm|laptop:

xset -r 111

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jm|laptop:

which iirc means that the C_UP and C_DOWN /won't/ repeat

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darkdrgn3k:

why is blasting so difficult lol

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jm|laptop:

as one press seemed to send two events

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wagnerrp:

jm|laptop: most MCEUSB receivers are just receivers, not fake keyboards

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darkdrgn3k:

i seen that with arrows, had to turn off the keyboard thing

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darkdrgn3k:

in the kenrel

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jm|laptop:

darkdrgn3k: I'm still not sure what the difference is. But in my experience /proper/ IR device that rely on lirc[m][d] are more reliable than 'keyboard's

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jm|laptop:

wagnerrp: I bow to your greater knowledge.

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darkdrgn3k:

yeh,

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darkdrgn3k:

wagnerrp: know any tricks to help inprove irblaster

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wagnerrp:

the 'MCEUSB' device specifically, only sends IR codes to lirc

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wagnerrp:

but there are other "MCE" devices that do show up as keyboards

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wagnerrp:

that the mceusb LIRC driver cannot handle

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wagnerrp:

as for blasting... cant help you with that one

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wagnerrp:

never successfully done it

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darkdrgn3k:

i had it working fine with the HDPVR

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jm|laptop:

gladly, mythtv is very customisable with its keyboard commands

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darkdrgn3k:

but one of the driver upgrades made it unreliable!

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jm|laptop:

so maybe cheaper /is/ better :/

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn3k: firewire channel changing not an option?

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darkdrgn3k:

nop :'(

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darkdrgn3k:

dishnetwork receiver... no firewire

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jm|laptop:

0x90?

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darkdrgn3k:

0x90?

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jm|laptop:

NOP

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jm|laptop:

does 'blasting' mean changing a channel "automatically" to record the right channel?

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darkdrgn3k:

blasting means emmiting IR signals

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jm|laptop:

s/"/*/

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darkdrgn3k:

as opposed to receiving them

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jm|laptop:

oh.

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jm|laptop:

pew pew pew!

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darkdrgn3k:

yeh

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darkdrgn3k:

i tune to channel 1605

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darkdrgn3k:

it will eitehr tune to 1605, 165 or 605 LOL

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jm|laptop:

sorry I'm no intimate enough with the protocol

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jm|laptop:

no way to script a delay?

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darkdrgn3k:

yeh i did

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jm|laptop:

sendkey 1; sleep 0.2; sendkey 6; sleep 0.2 ....

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darkdrgn3k:

its doesnt seem to be the problem

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darkdrgn3k:

i got it to the brink of timeout :(

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jm|laptop:

the precipice?

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darkdrgn3k:

?

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jm|laptop:

don't mind me.

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bcgrown:

have /usr/sbin/pm-suspend set as my auto-shutdown command, but I get this in the logs: how do I stop this from happening when sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified. user "mythtv" *does* have "nopasswd" permission for that command

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bcgrown:

anyone know the fix?

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bcgrown:

this is what I have in sudoers: mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: SHUTDOWN_CMDS

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darkdrgn3k:

grr trying ot tune to 1602 i keep geting 162 or 160 or 102

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darkdrgn3k:

:( wtf

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darkdrgn3k:

any one know why the hdpvr ir blaster breaks

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[R]:

"breaks"?

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darkdrgn3k:

stops working

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[R]:

for the breif period i used it

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[R]:

it seeme to work fine

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darkdrgn3k:

needs reboot to work again

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darkdrgn3k:

worked fine fo rme to

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darkdrgn3k:

then that started happning

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[R]:

oh, well i always shutdown my backend and cut power to the hdpvr

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darkdrgn3k:

also when i rmmod lirc_lizog it segfaults

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darkdrgn3k:

i never had that probme :)

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darkdrgn3k:

just cant freaken blast

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darkdrgn3k:

is there "rf" blasters?

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[R]:

you mean ahve the computer output an rf signal and then have that received by an ir transmitter?

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darkdrgn3k:

i mean one of the boxes has an "rf" remote

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darkdrgn3k:

trying to find a more reliable way of changing channels :(

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[R]:

what?

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darkdrgn3k:

one of my receiver uses an RF remote

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darkdrgn3k:

(vs ir)

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[R]:

oh, yeah, thats doubtful

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[R]:

it would be too specific to that on reciever

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darkdrgn3k:

yeh i thought so :-S

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[R]:

ir is pretty much universal

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darkdrgn3k:

what about CEC ;-P

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[R]:

what about it?

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darkdrgn3k:

think that would work?

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[R]:

i doubt your reciever accepts channel change commands over cec

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[R]:

but the hardware is pretty cheap

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[R]:

give it a try

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darkdrgn3k:

are there any docs out htere?

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darkdrgn3k:

is cec standard?

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[R]:

standard in the sense that the protocol is a standard

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[R]:

thats about it

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darkdrgn3k:

got it

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[R]:

whether or not a particular device does anythign with it, or what commands it accepts, who knows

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darkdrgn3k:

its alla bout if the receiver honours it

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darkdrgn3k:

^%@ just realized im not using hdmi :-P its all component

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darkdrgn3k:

wonder if you can use a cec receiver without using hdmi

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[R]:

depends on the device

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darkdrgn3k:

so there are no other options

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wagnerrp:

sphery: around?

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darkdrgn3k:

is there a source for hdpvr / zilog

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[R]:

source?

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darkdrgn3k:

like is there an official site or something

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[R]:

no, its just in the kernel

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darkdrgn3k:

so there is no changelog for it or anything

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[R]:

the source is the changelog

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darkdrgn3k:

:(

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im looking through the database backup script

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wagnerrp:

and i cant seem to find any option that would force it to store the dumps uncompressed

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darkdrgn3k:

is there a mailing lsit for zilog

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[R]:

well theres the lirc list i suppose

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wagnerrp:

you know, i just realized....

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wagnerrp:

if youre on a site, and it makes you perform a captcha, and then it makes you perform another one even though youre sure you got it right

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wagnerrp:

... you probably just allowed some bot access to some forum

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[R]:

what?

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ertyu-m:

the robots get humans to solve captchas for them

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darkdrgn3k:

proxy a forum as a swarm LOL

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darkdrgn3k:

basically it shows you a capta from a differnt site that a bot is trying to get to.. you solve it.. bingo.. the bot knows what it is

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wagnerrp:

as a joke, i was trying to find some usenet zilog group

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wagnerrp:

and i was scrolling through some site, and hit too many pages

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wagnerrp:

so it popped up a captcha to make sure i wasnt some sort of scraper

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ertyu-m:

I had good luck with OCR for one captcha so I could automate a process around it

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wagnerrp:

i answered, it popped up another

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wagnerrp:

i answered, it popped up another

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wagnerrp:

and another

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wagnerrp:

after the 5th it let me through

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wagnerrp:

they werent that hard, there is no way i got them wrong

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[R]:

lol

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ertyu-m:

I've seen legit sites that were out of sync with their captchas and wouldn't accept correct answers

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you'd just have to specify a compression program that doesn't compress... not the prettiest approach, but since gzip only took 30s on my rather large DB on an Athlon XP 2400+, I figured most would just compress it, anyway

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, I think you can do --compress=true (which, confusingly enough, would disable compression :) or use --compress=/bin/true to make it a bit clearer

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kisak:

is there any generic upnp programs for winXP that are known to work with 0.25?

[04:47:22]

kisak:

(media players)

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kisak:

nevermind, I found the wiki page

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ah, and that goes into the mysql.txt?

[04:54:23]

wagnerrp:

no, backuprc

[04:55:38]

wagnerrp:

sphery: ive got ZFS running transparent gzip compression for me

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wagnerrp:

so no reason to gzip the file, and then gzip it again

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[R]:

double the compession

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[R]:

double the fun

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, backuprc--and I'm not saying people have to compress it, but that the number who won't is small enough the "ugly" UI is probably sufficient

[04:57:22]

wagnerrp:

fair enough

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sphery:

IIRC, I even laughed in here about --compress=true being the way to disable compression when I was testing

[04:58:31]

wagnerrp:

well its an arguably much faster 3.3GHz PII X2

[04:58:54]

sphery:

P2? P4 or Core 2, you mean?

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wagnerrp:

but 230MB raw, to 21% compressed, in about 3 seconds

[04:59:00]

wagnerrp:

phenom II

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

I always read that as "A2FOC" (Athlon II for Over-Clockers) :)

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wagnerrp:

nah, Athlon II with an L3

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sphery:

wagnerrp: hehe, seems --compress=none works, too--but /only/ if you don't have an executable in your path called "none"; otherwise, your backup will get none'ed :)

[05:03:06]

sphery:

--compress=no_thanks or --compress=uh_no (or maybe, even, --compress="no way, man"

[05:03:28]

sphery:

in other words, it seems it doesn't have to return true

[05:03:40]

sphery:

(or success, I guess)

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wagnerrp:

it is slightly less efficient, but it takes about half the time

[05:06:42]

wagnerrp:

i guess its running the gzip algorithm at a lower compression level

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wagnerrp:

no, they should both default to 6

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sphery:

3s... wow that's impressive (just caught that--trying to catch up in #mythtv)

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sphery:

and I just got to the Pentium vs Phenom in #mythtv :)

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wagnerrp:

hahaha... time mv ../mythconverg-1294–20120215093548.sql .

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wagnerrp:

0.000u 0.223s 0:00.22 100.0% 15+2759k 3+2io 0pf+0w

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wagnerrp:

moving one of the backups from an uncompressed folder into the compressed folder

[05:23:55]

wagnerrp:

it was a non-blocking transfer

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wagnerrp:

so the FS cached it and returned

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wagnerrp:

yielding only a quarter second

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wagnerrp:

(although the system was churning on it for a while)

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sphery:

I want an instant disk, too

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sphery:

that's like the opposite of an ext4+barriers disk in terms of performance/speed

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but i dont think 'mv' blocks even on linux

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wagnerrp:

well 'none' works, although it also means i inadvertently deleted logs going all the way back to schema 1160

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wagnerrp:

s/logs/backups/

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wagnerrp:

not that i was ever going to use them

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sphery:

deleted through the rotate?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

because you forgot some --rotate= arg or ?

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wagnerrp:

didnt know it was going to happen

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sphery:

so problem is you've never used backup script before and you didn't know or are you saying there's a bug when used without compression or somethnig?

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wagnerrp:

former

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sphery:

ah, ok, I was doubly worried

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sphery:

sorry about the surprised

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sphery:

maybe I should change rotation to off by default (but then I'll probably get complaints that it just fills up disks)

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wagnerrp:

no, i just didnt read the instructions

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wagnerrp:

and besides, its not like theres really a need to keep 3yr old database backups around

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sphery:

yeah, but that's actually pretty common and even understandable

[05:48:31]

sphery:

at least, though, the --help is now much more approachable

[05:48:44]

sphery:

but --help --help is a novel

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k-man:

jya, my email to the shepherd mailing list stired the pot a bit – so many peanuts whinging about things they don't even understand!

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sphery:

that basically was the old --help

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wagnerrp:

k-man: basically just something along the lines that they will be losing database access?

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k-man:

wagnerrp, oh no – worse, "wha! but i run other databases in mysql, now I'll have to have 2 sql DBs on my system"

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k-man:

wagnerrp, mostly user complaints – i only saw one post from what sounded like a dev – and he simply asked for a bit more direction on what to do to fix the icon thing

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jya:

k-man: it's mainly one guy that is clueless

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k-man:

jya, yeah looks like it

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jya:

I don't understand how someone can be off mark so much

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jya:

duh !!!

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wagnerrp:

got a link?

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jya:

wagnerrp: yeah, one idiot doesn't seem to understand the concept of embedded database

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jya:

and that really, the whole idea is to remove user requirement to set anything

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k-man:

and then someone hijacked the discussion into "why don;t they make the tables in innodb..."...

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k-man:

hehe

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k-man:

yeah ill find one wagnerrp hang on

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k-man:

http://groups.google.com/group/shepherd-list/ . . . eb8838?hl=en

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

ugh, must be a member to view

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k-man:

oh hang on

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k-man:

maybe ther is some way i can dump it somewhere

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wagnerrp:

nah, dont worry about it

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k-man:

ok

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jya:

it's only one clueless user making the much noise.

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jya:

"This is also bad news for me, as I have other databases hosted by the mysql server, used for other purposes, nothing to do with mythtv. Sounds like Iâ€™ll have to run my own mysql server as well as an embedded one just for myth now. More load on the server for no good reason!"

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jya:

one seem like a dev, pointing to the code where the icon is set in the database

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jya:

what I told him is simply to return the icon URI in the xmltv and mythfilldatabase/backend will do what's required

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wagnerrp:

"you can still connect to the embedded database"

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wagnerrp:

no you cant!

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wagnerrp:

its entirely up to the application its embedded in how the database is to be exposed externally

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jya:

ohh, some managed to draw a picture of my brain/thought process! http://www.componentowl.com/blog/wp-content/u . . . oder.png.png

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wagnerrp:

wait, where is there a breakdancing horse?

[06:04:27]

jya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTEEO1H-6So

[06:04:49]

** jya wasted 10s of my life :) **

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wagnerrp:

do people not understand that two databases on one server requires exactly the same resources as two databases on separate database servers?

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wagnerrp:

the libraries are all shared, but none of the data and caching is

[06:10:12]

jya:

the ultimate argument...

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jya:

so because mythbackend doesn't use mysql, I'll be forced to install mysql myself..

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k-man:

jya, i think you shouldn't waste your time responding to the peanuts

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jya:

I think, I ltimately have a great deal inability of facing stupidity

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k-man:

wagnerrp, nice work on the shepherd list

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k-man:

anyway, gtg

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you may wish to change "current release" on the wiki to 0.25-beta. Not sure how you want that put :)

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ServerSage:

Wow, I leave for a few days and when I get back there is the gift of beta. Best birthday present ever!

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Beirdo:

and I think I'm officially the first person running the beta (labelled as such)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

but whatever, I think it's time for sleep for me

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ServerSage:

Sleep when you are dead! Is the beta everything you thought it would be?

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Beirdo:

I've been using code from master the whole time, I dunno ;)

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xris:

ServerSage: probably no different than the Master image he was using before he just tagged it as beta. :)

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Beirdo:

yeah, and that wee detail :)

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Beirdo:

I'm pretty happy with it, myself

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ServerSage:

lol. I'm giddy to upgrade.

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Beirdo:

well, enjoy. I'm gonna go crash.

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Roklobsta:

hey anyone useing sheperd for australian listings?

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stuartm:

k-man is

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k-man:

i am

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k-man:

Roklobsta, why do you ask?

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k-man:

ooh! we are in beta for .25? nice

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stuartm:

k-man: only because a dead-line passed, there's nothing different between master today and yesterday :) Well nothing significant

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k-man:

stuartm, :)

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k-man:

no doubt lots of people will upgrade then

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k-man:

whats the situation in terms of themes for 4:3 SD tv in .25 beta?

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k-man:

i should dig out my theme i was working on and have a crack at it again

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stuartm:

thin on the ground

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stuartm:

most people have 16:9 TVs

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k-man:

stuartm, yeah – i'm living in the 80s

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** quicksilver has a 16:9 TV which 0.21 displays stuff on as if it was 4:3 **

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quicksilver:

slightly disturbing although youg et used to it surprisingly quickly

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k-man:

quicksilver, how come you don't upgrade?

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quicksilver:

k-man: laziness. time constraints. if it ain't broke don't fix it. etc.

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quicksilver:

however I think I will soon :)

[11:37:14]

quicksilver:

the risk that I might only manage to find 90 minuts spare and 90 minutes would be long enough to break everything and not long enough to fix it.

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jya_:

k-man: I've put the new mac packager in git

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jya_:

if you want to try

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jya_:

Just looking after a crash when using xcode 4.2â€¦ i think i have a work around that one (it doesn't crash with any other version of xcode)

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stuartm:

!seen nuonguy

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MythLogBot:

nuonguy was last seen 156 days 18 hours 31 minutes 1 second ago

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wagnerrp:

ugh... why cant you use a derived field in a where clause

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: such as?

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wagnerrp:

... (select rc_ip from recentchanges where user_id=rc_user order by rc_id desc limit 1) as ip_address ... where ip_address='...'

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wagnerrp:

ferreting out accounts made under the same IP address

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clever:

ive had the same issue with just '... AS foo' before, dont think it has anything to do with the subquery

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: hmm, I thought that was possible, but I can't remember when I would have last tried it

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wagnerrp:

ive got to repeat the subquery as part of the where clause

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clever:

it might work if you make a whole derived table

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clever:

(select ....,(select ...) as foo from bar) as new_name where foo = ...

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: this one is interesting... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=AwhWWQwv ... looks like hes actually using his own email account

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wagnerrp:

plus another two in a separate address range

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stuartm:

or a hi-jacked account

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stuartm:

like the spam to the -dev list this morning

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if its worth running that script again just before release

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wagnerrp:

the one i ran several months back that clears out all the never-actually-used accounts

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wagnerrp:

or at least those that were never authenticated

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wagnerrp:

looks like some 650 accounts over the past 2.5 years

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wagnerrp:

although thats odd why that script never picked up those accounts on the last run

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wagnerrp:

ill have to read through it and see what exactly its selection criteria are

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silverstar_:

Hi everyone, i have a problem with my 0.24.2 installation

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silverstar_:

mythtv discards my planned records

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wagnerrp:

is it recording something else instead, due to a conflict?

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silverstar_:

no, the TV episode is not marked for recording in the program guide

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silverstar_:

in the planned recordings lists it is still shown but marked as not available for recording

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wagnerrp:

it should give a reason why it decided not to record

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silverstar_:

the only explanation that i can imagine is that the EIT scanner updates the program data after i set the record

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silverstar_:

is this possible?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

although typically problems with the EIT scanner renaming a show outside the limits of the recording rule happen within a few minutes to a few hours of the recording in question

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silverstar_:

the show has the same name and the same starting and end time, but like i said, it is not marked for record

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silverstar_:

Is there a way i can check if thats my problem?

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Vink-:

the worst thing about eit for me is when a recording is rescheduled (start delayed from 2–3 minutes): I've two recordings for the same event

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wagnerrp:

silverstar_: could you run 'mythbackend --print-sched', and dump the contents in a pastebin?

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silverstar_:

sure

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wagnerrp:

it may just be --printsched

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silverstar_:

i will post the result as soon as the problem appears the next time

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pyther:

Does anyone know of a script that can convert recorded content to h264? I'm mostly dealing with HD content, but some SD content. I wouldn't mind, manually running the scripts

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CyberKnet:

man I am excited about the services API :)

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CyberKnet:

To whoever implemented it and documented it ... huuuge thank-you!

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** wagnerrp points at dblain/cdev in the other channel **

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CyberKnet:

aaah.

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wagnerrp:

wait, cdev or gigem?

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wagnerrp:

cdev

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CyberKnet:

think that creating channel noise over there just to say thank you would be a problem?

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wagnerrp:

something brief should be alright

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wagnerrp:

the wiki docs were iamlindoro, but hes not currently over there

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CyberKnet:

there we go :)

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CyberKnet:

I'll tag iamlindoro in here some time.

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CyberKnet:

There's so much community complaining so often ... I figure it might be nice to have some no-strings-attached gratitude every now and then.

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CyberKnet:

I wonder if MythMote will update to use the services api, or if a new android remote app is in order...

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CyberKnet:

Not that I love making android apps... *shudder*

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GreyFoxx:

You're more likely to find him in #torc now

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** wagnerrp wonders if GreyFoxx has had a chance to test the additional ipv6 stuff **

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't updated my install in like 2 months. So if it's new since then I haven't :) But I will this weekend as I have some downtime to finally update a lot of things

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GreyFoxx:

and I'm off work all next week

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wagnerrp:

so a texas sheriffs department was showing off their brand new $300K drone at a press event

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GreyFoxx:

taking march break off with my daughter so I'll have time to play

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wagnerrp:

when the drone lost communication with the controller, and went into autonomous RTB mode

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GreyFoxx:

doh

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wagnerrp:

at which point it crashed into their brand new armored SWAT vehicle

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stuartm:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

oh my :)

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stuartm:

use of drones against the civilian population remains illegal in the UK, for now at least

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wagnerrp:

who needs drons?

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wagnerrp:

you guys already have surveillance cameras on every street corner

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peitolm:

wagnerrp: can you remind me the voodoo to generate a gentoo ebuild for a specific git rev?

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stuartm:

but in a country where everyone is armed I'd rather be viewing a situation remotely than on foot

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wagnerrp:

peitolm: go into the root of your overlay

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wagnerrp:

and run 'scripts/mythtv-buildebuild.py

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: only in city/town centres, but then they have helecopters if they really need aerial surveillance

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** CyberKnet goes to read what torc is **

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wagnerrp:

if you want a specific revision, give it a --hash=

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peitolm:

what's the command again?

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wagnerrp:

scripts/mythtv-buildebuild.py

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peitolm:

i've got a version string of v0.25-beta-1-gd1a6cc8 but buildebuild doesn't like gd1a6cc8 as a hash

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wagnerrp:

'g' is not a hexadecimal character

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peitolm:

hmm, o.k.

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** peitolm wonders how to turn that into somethin ghe can build from **

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wagnerrp:

you would want d1a6cc8

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wagnerrp:

although i dont recall off hand if that version can properly deal with shortened hashes

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp ... question since I don't know much about github... for Torc on github I see a couple of commits by you on Mar 02. Does that mean you committed stuff to torc, or it was just merged over to Torc from Myth?

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wagnerrp:

better to give it the full string to be safe

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peitolm:

well, without arguments it returns 'Autoselecting hash: d1a6cc88954fccf2324be10b80029620936ffbc4

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peitolm:

which may be what i need

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wagnerrp:

in a rather convoluted description, git branches are "represented as n-dimensional membrandes, mapping the spatial loci of successive commits onto the projected manifold of each cloned repository"

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wagnerrp:

*membranes

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: now there's a mouthful, but I believe I get the answer I was looking for.

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CyberKnet:

thanks.

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wagnerrp:

hahahhaa

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wagnerrp:

in other words, each chain of commits is one membrane

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wagnerrp:

while the repository is a number of these chains grouped together

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wagnerrp:

from each repository's view, all commits it contains are its own

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CyberKnet:

Yeah.

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wagnerrp:

and other branches are a partial version of itself

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CyberKnet:

Didn't want to make it a "torc" question... I'm sure that's been discussed to death... but I was curious about the github side :)

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wagnerrp:

if you click through other projects in the network view, each appears to be its own primary version, with other branches pulling commits from it

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wagnerrp:

the original branch the commit may have come from is not relevant to git

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CyberKnet:

So the services api looks to have quite a bit of functionality. Is it just an extension point going forward, or is it planned to replace the existing frontend/backend protocol?

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wagnerrp:

theres mixed opinions on that

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wagnerrp:

some want the services API to be used for external application access

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CyberKnet:

I was looking at it and was surprised to see that you could practically build a frontend from it.

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wagnerrp:

some want the services API to replace the internal protocol completely

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stuartm:

CyberKnet: in the long term it might replace the protocol, but that's not quite on the agenda just yet, what it is designed for is to stop third party projects using our internal protocol

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wagnerrp:

personally, im in the first group

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stuartm:

and making their mis-use of the protocol our problem

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CyberKnet:

hey, whatever floats the boat of the people writing the frontend is fine with me :)

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wagnerrp:

however i have an interest in rewriting the internal protocol in another direction anyway

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stuartm:

I don't yet know if the new API has been demonstrated to have the same performance as the current protocol

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CyberKnet:

stuartm: I could see that would be a problem. Does that infer that the services API would have a higher level of intra-version compatibility?

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wagnerrp:

i guarantee it isnt, if for no other reason than the fact that the internal protocol is so damn simple, with very limited checking

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stuartm:

CyberKnet: it should be more stable, and by design it shouldn't break if say a new field is added to a response

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CyberKnet:

stuartm: makes sense.

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wagnerrp:

but for most purposes, it should be sufficiently fast that other code will be the bottleneck

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wagnerrp:

my bigger complaint is the transport

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stuartm:

CyberKnet: it should also do much more input validation and shouldn't allow an application access to stuff that it doesn't need or which includes the potential to seriously screw up a backend

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wagnerrp:

i dont like HTTP for internal communication

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wagnerrp:

i want a persistent connection

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CyberKnet:

HTTP lowers the bar for a lot of developers I suppose.

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wagnerrp:

and yes, HTTP can maintain persistent connections...

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wagnerrp:

it just seems... funky

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CyberKnet:

most any HLL has HTTP and XML components that will slot right in.

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stuartm:

persistent connections in http is more of an afterthought to the spec, it's not what they originally had in mind when it was designed

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wagnerrp:

its not like basic synchronous socket code is tough to wrap your head around

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stuartm:

and yes, http for internal communication is unusual to say the least

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CyberKnet:

no, it's not tough. But there are a lot of entry level folks out there I suppose.

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CyberKnet:

"Oh, I can write a shell script using wget to change channel? neat!"

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wagnerrp:

entry level folks are only entry level folks because they think theyre entry level folks

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CyberKnet:

of course, there were probably other ways for them to do that task

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CyberKnet:

but still.

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CyberKnet:

well, I'm certainly not arguing for http to be the transport... just wondering out loud why it might have been done that way.

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CyberKnet:

If someone wrote a straight socket implementation it wouldn't be the first time someone wrote modular code to have multiple entry points. :)

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stuartm:

it's fine for an external API and since this is replacing the existing xml interface, it make sense to keep it using http

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CyberKnet:

stuartm: we could always CORBA... :D

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** CyberKnet ducks **

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wagnerrp:

CyberKnet: its like its tough to do 'echo "30 MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 72 D78EFD6F23 ANN Monitor localhost 011 SCAN_VIDEOS" | nc localhost 6543'

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wagnerrp:

instead of wgetting some URL

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wagnerrp:

it just scares people

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: I agree. I really do. :)

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wagnerrp:

so they dont even try

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wagnerrp:

awww... you closed #10410 before i spotted it

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quicksilver:

wagnerrp: there is considerable merit in having an external services API with parameter validatoin and less probability to screw things up, and an internal protocol which is tuned to be fast and used by trusted clients only and doesn't need validation?

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: it's maybe less memorable, but that said I really don't want external scripts/apps using our current internal protocol, there's just too much potential for screw-ups

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: true, and history has shown external scripts/apps only implementing the basic code needed to make their particular wants sorta work

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wagnerrp:

both with the external protocol, and with database access

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stuartm:

besides, I personally want to see mythfrontend keep an edge over other clients, I'm not about to hand XBMC the keys to all of our best features – that might not bother everyone but when you've invested as much time in the frontend as I have ...

[17:12:09]

CyberKnet:

I have no desire for XBMC ... but it would be nice to see a full-featured android client ;)

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stuartm:

if someone provides me with the hardware, I might be inclined to ... but seriously, android apps == java?

[17:16:19]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: do any of the packaging scripts allow for manual selection of CPU optimization?

[17:16:39]

wagnerrp:

android can run native C applications, they dont need to be Java

[17:16:59]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: I haven't a clue

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CyberKnet:

stuartm: the one android app I wrote was java... but I do believe there is native access available.

[17:21:23]

CyberKnet:

"java" ... I suppose I should put it in double quotes.

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wagnerrp:

heh

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stuartm:

I'm surprised that some lawyers somewhere haven't filed an injunction against them calling it Java

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CyberKnet:

Oracle's throwing a huge lawsuit fit

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stuartm:

CyberKnet: you'd think somehow I'd have heard about that, maybe I even saw the headlines and just skipped over it

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CyberKnet:

stuartm: I really would have :)

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CyberKnet:

heh

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stuartm:

Oracle/Java anywhere in the headline or first paragraph is enough to kill my interest normally

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nishttal2:

Hello everyone.. i am planning to setup my shiny new Ubuntu 64bit machine as a media server and stumbled upon an article that suggested i could also use it as a DVR..

[17:26:56]

nishttal2:

however i was wondering...how would my computer connect to comcast? TVTuner?

[17:27:24]

wagnerrp:

get a cablecard tuner, and rend a cablecard from comcast

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wagnerrp:

*rent

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nishttal2:

and comcast would be OK with that?

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wagnerrp:

the FCC demands comcast be OK with that

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not licensed for cablecard use, which means we only get access to the 'copy freely' channels

[17:29:00]

wagnerrp:

which on comcast are going to be just about anything outside of the premiums

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wagnerrp:

i.e. no showtime, no hbo

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nishttal2:

i dont have premiums anyways

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wagnerrp:

!url cablecard

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MythLogBot:

No match for keyword cablecard

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nishttal2:

how many shows will I be able to record/play simultanerous

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nishttal2:

simultaneously*

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/CableCARD

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nishttal2:

oh wow cable card tuner is about 150

[17:30:20]

wagnerrp:

there are currently two mythtv supports, the DCR-2650 and HDHomeRun Prime

[17:30:26]

nishttal2:

TiVO is same price (Almost(

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wagnerrp:

with a third, the infinitv, to be supported in the upcoming 0.25

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CyberKnet:

nishttal2: this is one of the few times you can be glad you have comcast.

[17:30:52]

wagnerrp:

those are 2, 3, and 4 tuners, respectively

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wagnerrp:

meaning they can record 2, 3, and 4 shows simultaneously

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nishttal2:

CyberKnet, what does that mean

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nishttal2:

wagnerrp, ok

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CyberKnet:

nishttal2: never mind. wagnerrp's info is very good.

[17:31:44]

wagnerrp:

nishttal2: it means comcast has a reputation for screwing over their customers... while in this case, they are being nice and marking most of their content 'copy freely'

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nishttal2:

wagnerrp, playing is independent of tuners?

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nishttal2:

wagnerrp, aah ok

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wagnerrp:

where as someone like time warner marks all of their content as DRMd

[17:32:06]

** CyberKnet wishes bitterly that he could use cablecard on Cox in Oklahoma as easily as comcast users can. **

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wagnerrp:

making cablecard tuners worthless for mythtv users

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wagnerrp:

mythtv records everything

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CyberKnet:

Cox here in Oklahoma also marks everything as DRMd.

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wagnerrp:

even 'live tv' is just a recording, with a bit of glue to allow the frontend to change channels

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nishttal2:

ok once recorded.. would i be playing thru my PS3 (over the network) ?

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wagnerrp:

livetv recordings will remain on disk for up to a day, or sooner if it needs to be deleted to free up disk space

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wagnerrp:

the PS3 should be able to play the MPEG2/AC3/TS recordings you make with a cablecard tuner

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wagnerrp:

using the UPNP client, and mythtv's UPNP server

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wagnerrp:

if will only play existing recordings

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wagnerrp:

there is no mechanism in the UPNP server to initiate new livetv recordings

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: I meant to ask... it's been a long time since I looked at what channels Cox really gave me. is there reason to expect a person might get more channels over cablecard than they would over QAM?

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nishttal2:

ok.. in absence of PS3.. how does a mythtv playback on my TV (Sony Bravia)

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wagnerrp:

they connect the PC running mythtv to the bravia

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nishttal2:

thru VGA?

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nishttal2:

like hooking up a computer to TV

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CyberKnet:

VGA if you like... HDMI would be better.

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nishttal2:

my comp does not have a HDMI out

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wagnerrp:

does it have DVI

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nishttal2:

yes

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wagnerrp:

so use that

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nishttal2:

ok.. so i need a comp physically next to my TV

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wagnerrp:

you can pick up adapters, and adapter cables for a couple bucks online

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wagnerrp:

thats the general idea, hence the term Home Theater PC

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nishttal2:

what about remote/changing channels

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wagnerrp:

use an IR receiver and LIRC

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CyberKnet:

nishttal2: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . 1#largeimage

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wagnerrp:

or a wireless keyboard

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nishttal2:

i see

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wagnerrp:

or a cell phone with one of the network control utilities

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nishttal2:

ok so its a fairly geeky setup (no offence, i am geek myself, but my wife is not) :)

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: is the socket interface being removed in 0.25? or did someone say that in here about torc? I got a bit confused.

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pyrodex:

Once you have a stable setup it is wife friendly..

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CyberKnet:

nishttal2: a remote is not geeky in my experience.

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wagnerrp:

CyberKnet: markk removed it from torc

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: thx

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nishttal2:

:)

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nishttal2:

brb

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: re QAM/cablecard question above ... is that in the wiki?

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wagnerrp:

sort of

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wagnerrp:

check out that link above

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wagnerrp:

there is an external link there to a database one of the users is collecting for what content is available through cablecard

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if there is any information for cox

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CyberKnet:

Yeah, for CT and CA

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CyberKnet:

nothing for OK.

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CyberKnet:

I'm trying to figure out ... without buying a card can I determine what would be avaialble ... either via firewire or somehow through my QAM cards.

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CyberKnet:

I'm thinking firewire might tell me.

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CyberKnet:

it has the whole 5c bit.

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wagnerrp:

assuming firewire is actually functional, it should give you a good idea of what you can expect

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CyberKnet:

it's a big assumption, yeah.

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CyberKnet:

Well, I have the STB right beside my front end so maybe I'll give it a shot ... if I can find my firewire cable and then get all the firewire stuff working on the FE ... and hope my STB is supported :D

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CyberKnet:

logging into myharmony.com now to see which STB I have.

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CyberKnet:

Hmmm... DCX-3200

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Jordack:

so i think comcast messed up. Got my Prime working on myth(sorta). I get more channels on the Prime that i do on my cable box. Which is cool by me

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Jordack:

is there a setting to run mythfilldatabase to repopulate everything? Mine seems to be missing alot

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kormoc:

--refresh-all

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Jordack:

thanks

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sphery:

Jordack: if you're using Schedules Direct, don't ever use --refresh-all, instead use --dd-grab-all /and/ see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426 and [26033] (link below from MythLogBot ), so you can set it up to do it always

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MythLogBot:

SVN 26033: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/d2822566

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sphery:

Jordack: if you're not using Schedules Direct, and are using normal XMLTV, note that --refresh-all doesn't refresh today.

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stuartm:

--refresh-every-day-except-today

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stuartm:

do we know why it doesn't refresh today?

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kormoc:

so it doesn't hurt currently scheduled recordings was the lore

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sphery:

stuartm: because refreshing today is dangerous and can cause recording failures, so you have to say "really do it"

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sphery:

(i.e. with --refresh-today)

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stuartm:

sphery: only with SD, not with xmltv because xmltv doesn't wipe the tables, it updates only changed entries

[19:11:46]

sphery:

stuartm: this is also why --dd-grab-all wasn't made the default (because it /does/ refresh today, and--for users whose systems are woefully underpowered or improperly configured, --dd-grab-all taking 2hrs would be a very bad thing)

[19:12:13]

stuartm:

several xmltv grabbers refresh all days at once with no ill effect

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sphery:

if it's updating in progress or about-to-start shows, it can cause problems

[19:12:58]

sphery:

also, since many/most xmltv grabbers don't provide data from before now, you end up with holes

[19:13:41]

sphery:

I think it should do all but today and if you want both, you specifically say --refresh-all --refresh-today (or, feel free to change the name of --refresh-all, but I think separate is good)

[19:14:22]

stuartm:

hmm, not sure that's really true, but I don't feel like arguing about it

[19:14:27]

sphery:

anyway, based on IP, I'm guessing Jordack needs to use --dd-grab-all and shouldn't be using --refresh-all

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Jordack:

im using schedules direct. I have todays just not three days from now. My subscription doesnt end till june

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Jordack:

well i started refresh all. hoping canceling that hurt anything

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sphery:

Jordack: yeah, see the linked posts, and you'll want to use --dd-grab-all. If your system can handle it well enough, you probably want to configure it to always use --dd-grab-all (as described in the 2 posts)

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Jordack:

thanks reading those now

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Jordack:

off the top of anyones head. You know where the filldb aurgs are in teh db? at work right now so no access to setup. if not no biggie

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Jordack:

its a quad core with 8gb should be able to handle the processing

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wizbit:

.

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sphery:

weird

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wizbit:

haha strange

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sphery:

not sure why that happens... freenode craziness

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sphery:

whatever causes it in #mythtv-theming for lots of us (even devs) caused it for you here

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wizbit:

ive only just turned on a cloak, maybe something to do with that

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sphery:

that's possible

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sphery:

or have you been lurking without speaking for days in here?

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wizbit:

i usually hang in this channel, speak on occassion

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sphery:

based on anecdotal evidence, that seems to be a common precursor to its happening in #mythtv-theming

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wizbit:

aye ok

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wizbit:

its time to dd my joggler frontend image

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sphery:

anyway, it seems just logging out of freenode, then back in fixes it... for me, part'ing/join'ing channel hasn't been enough

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sphery:

glad it's fixed

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wizbit:

glad to be back :D

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** wizbit notices this place is 'friendly' than it used to be **

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Seeker`:

wizbit: how long ago was it not friendly?

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wizbit:

Seeker`: at one stage i thought i was in a 'dev' channel :P

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wagnerrp:

so this whole github business is amusing

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wagnerrp:

the guy files a bug ticket several days ago, claiming a "serious vulnerability"

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wagnerrp:

ticket gets closed

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wagnerrp:

so he hacks the repository/ticketing system using said flaw, and complains

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: I'm confused as he seems to only have communicated with the ruby project but github using ruby, too, was affected, too

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dekarl:

make that rails/rails ;)

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wagnerrp:

github was just the unwitting victim of the event

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wagnerrp:

who by fortune happened to be run using the vulnerable software in question

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dekarl:

makes it confusing to follow who disclosed what (un)responsibly...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there are claims its closed "duplicate"

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dekarl:

cool devs "Same feeling as @xxx secure by default sounds good, but geez." so it got closed as "no, we don't want to be secure" 3 months ago

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k-man:

strange

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Seeker`:

sounds like it was discussed, and the answer was 'we dont want to enable a more secure option by default, people should read the documentation"

[20:46:51]

Seeker`:

the guy re-discovered the vulnerability, said 'fix it', they said 'no', so he tried to prove a point

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k-man:

how can i safely run master on my dev machine, while .24fixes is running on my production machine?

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sphery:

k-man: carefully

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k-man:

sphery, heh

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sphery:

be very careful to have a good config.xml and/or mysql.txt

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sphery:

use different PIN numbers for the 2 systems

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sphery:

and do /not/ use 0000 for the "Security PIN (required)" on the production system

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sphery:

(as that allows any client to connect/upgrade database)

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k-man:

ah i see

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sphery:

I also configured my dev box as a localhost system

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sphery:

so it can only have the one host

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sphery:

(localhost master backend/this backend)

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sphery:

note, though, that you /do/ need 2 different databases

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sphery:

I even put mine on 2 different MySQL servers to add a bit more separation

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sphery:

(and allows me to take down dev db server without affecting production)

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k-man:

ok thanks, i'll try all that

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wizbit:

anybody know how much roughly UK electricity costs kWh

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jya:

k-man: you can compile your master code so it never attempts to upgrade the database, and won't complain about a database format change

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jya:

that's how I did it up to a few days ago...

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jya:

livetv and recordings didn't work between a master frontend and a 0.24 backend though

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jya:

everything else worked "okay"â€¦. enough for testing that is

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k-man:

jya, oh – is that a compile time option?

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jya:

yep

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k-man:

thanks jya ill check it out

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jya:

used to be a user option

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jya:

but somehow decided that he knows better and obfuscation is a good way to prevent trouble :)

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** jya points at sphery **

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jya:

A few days ago I posted the info on how to do it in the mythtv-dev list

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Beirdo:

huh?

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Beirdo:

that's a really rotten idea to suggest to most users

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jya:

Beirdo: hence why it's in the dev list, for a very genuine caseâ€¦.

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Beirdo:

the version checks are there for a good reason. Bypassing them should only be done in very specific cases

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jya:

i can perfectly see why someone working on master might want to run his application for testing purposes and still keep a fixes/0.24 backend for stability purposes

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Beirdo:

too bad

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Beirdo:

they are not compatible

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jya:

I know it's a valid use case, because that's precisely what I needed to do

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jya:

now, if someone compiles with those options, I can only assume he knows what he's doing and preventing him to do so his useless as if he's compiling , removing the check is trivial anyway

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Beirdo:

the right way around that is to have your "production" and "development" setups completely separate

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Beirdo:

but... whatever.

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gizmobay:

I have a video that has two subtitle files. How do I name them so I can toggle both? The movie is Movie.2009.avi and the subtitle that works is Movie.2009.srt. How can I work the other one?

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jya:

well, not everyone can manage to have more than 2 machines running at the same time with the same environment

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Beirdo:

anyone who's capable of development on the project should be capable of that :)

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Beirdo:

I would think

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jya:

n my case, my backend is the only machine connected to an hdmi amp supporting dts-hd.. I wasn't going to buy a complete new set just so I could try HD passthrough without breaking my system

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Beirdo:

or even on the same machine, two separate databased

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Beirdo:

databases rather

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jya:

way too much troubleâ€¦. mythavtest not complaining for the database change was much better, especially when it doesn't need to access the database anyway, yet complain if the format is different

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jya:

anyhowâ€¦ that's my opinionâ€¦ won't change :)

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Beirdo:

umm, it does use the database, just maybe not the tables changed in the upgrades in question

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jya:

I'm 100% sure it didn't.. all it reads are the settings

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Beirdo:

settings, cutlists for playback...

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jya:

such as: is passthrough, how many channels etc..

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Beirdo:

program info for the file being played back

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Beirdo:

as far as I know

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jya:

not if you tell it which video to play in the command line...

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Beirdo:

and logging (unless you tell it not to)

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jya:

as I said, there are specific use case scenario where it makes senseâ€¦

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jya:

ah that change did annoy me and broke for a while

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jya:

that's until I manually created the database log table

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jya:

I did curse you on that day, I remember :)

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Beirdo:

if you'd let it upgrade the DB as it's supposed to, all woulda been well

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