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| [00:08:13] | stuartm: | wookey_: D (DELETE) will delete a channel from the list in mythtv-setup, or M (MENU) will bring up a menu with the option |
| [00:08:47] | stuartm: | you can delete transports from the transport editor |
| [00:10:36] | wookey_: | aha! I was looking for a button |
| [00:10:42] | wookey_: | D does indeed do the trick |
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| [00:11:02] | wookey_: | looks like I have about 5 extra transports and one missing, hence no dave |
| [00:11:19] | wookey_: | not sure why a full scan didn;t pick that up, but I can probably fix it now |
| [00:12:45] | xavierh_: | stuartm: I am between two transmitters, I get my channel in double, be the second one is not tunable, how does my tv managed to keep nly the "good" one ? |
| [00:12:55] | xavierh_: | s/nly/only |
| [00:13:22] | xavierh_: | s/be/but (should proof read first) |
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| [00:14:03] | stuartm: | xavierh_: I'd guess it picks the one with the highest signal strength/quality and just ignores the other |
| [00:15:24] | xavierh_: | would be nice to have this too, it take me ages to test channel and remove the untunable one |
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| [00:44:06] | trumee: | J-e-f-f-A: Antec case is working well. Got mceusb working on the box, and LCDd is shutting off the LCD too! |
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| [01:00:02] | XChatMav: | morning all |
| [01:01:04] | XChatMav: | after a long stint away from svn/git (using ubuntu packages) I am building up a version from git head :) |
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| [03:09:25] | wagnerrp: | awww WTF!! |
| [03:09:46] | wagnerrp: | NBC pre-empted Grimm for "breaking news" |
| [03:10:08] | wagnerrp: | that "breaking news" was tornadoes that tore through the area 4hrs previous |
| [03:10:14] | wagnerrp: | and were no longer any form of threat |
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| [03:13:13] | califdreas: | I thought grimm is on at night? |
| [03:13:39] | califdreas: | never mind. im in california, we're a bit behind here. |
| [03:14:34] | ertyu-m: | it's much more enjoyable when their interrupt tv for thunderstorms that are happening thousands of miles away |
| [03:14:41] | ertyu-m: | s/their/they/ |
| [03:15:27] | wagnerrp: | picking up local stations rebroadcast over satellite? |
| [03:16:21] | ertyu-m: | nope, just standard canadian cable |
| [03:20:33] | califdreas: | naw, I get my local nbc on cable. grim starts at 21:00. hope there aren;t going to be more tornadoes. not only because of interrupted recordings ;) |
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| [08:27:22] | wagnerrp: | "the flurry of dev activity around #raspberrypi is incredibly exciting. already ports of xbmc, mythtv, emulators in the works" |
| [08:27:26] | wagnerrp: | wait, what? |
| [08:27:35] | wagnerrp: | port of mythtv to the RPI in the works? |
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| [08:46:09] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:46:20] | Beirdo: | not bloody likely by the core devs |
| [08:46:31] | Beirdo: | especially not right now |
| [08:46:47] | Beirdo: | we got enough on our plates trying to shepherd 0.25 out the door |
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| [08:49:27] | Beirdo: | whaaaa? |
| [08:49:41] | Beirdo: | 22766 gjhurlbu 39 19 295m 5.3g 3780 R 138 139.0 86:29.18 mythffmpeg |
| [08:50:05] | Beirdo: | how is it possible to have a VIRT size of 295m and a RES size of 5.4g |
| [08:50:12] | Beirdo: | on a 4g machine? |
| [08:52:50] | wagnerrp: | if i create a fresh repo, and push it on an existing one on github, what will happen? |
| [08:53:00] | wagnerrp: | will the old history just cease to exist? |
| [08:54:10] | Beirdo: | if you force-push, yes |
| [08:54:48] | Beirdo: | well, the commits last a little while until gc happens |
| [08:55:17] | Beirdo: | this is SOooooo slow |
| [08:55:20] | wagnerrp: | i just dont feel like deleting it and creating a new one |
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| [08:55:38] | Beirdo: | 33fps on a 59.94fps source... |
| [08:55:54] | Beirdo: | and I had to pick a 1h show, and do a two-pass run |
| [08:55:55] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:58:56] | Beirdo: | and then if that works, add cut points, try again |
| [08:59:21] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [08:59:30] | Beirdo: | oh oh. |
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| [08:59:37] | wagnerrp: | guy wants to watch mpeg2 on the rpi |
| [08:59:38] | Beirdo: | maniacal laughter |
| [08:59:43] | wagnerrp: | only the rpi doesnt support mpeg2 |
| [08:59:46] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:00:11] | wagnerrp: | so he puts in a feature request on the forums for an application running on the rpi to convert from mpeg2 to mpeg4 so it could be played back |
| [09:00:29] | Beirdo: | running on it?! |
| [09:00:33] | Beirdo: | hahahaha |
| [09:00:43] | wagnerrp: | "it seems to me one solution would be write a translate that would convert mpeg-2 to mpeg-4 without decoding" |
| [09:00:47] | Beirdo: | just port ffmpeg for decoding if you are gonna run on it anyways |
| [09:01:07] | Beirdo: | either way will suck terrificly |
| [09:01:11] | wagnerrp: | "ive only dont a little investigation into this, but it might work" |
| [09:01:24] | wagnerrp: | clearly he has no understanding of how codecs work |
| [09:01:43] | Beirdo: | I guess he found some free horsepower in there somewhere |
| [09:01:51] | Beirdo: | snicker |
| [09:02:21] | Beirdo: | convert without decoding... |
| [09:02:30] | Beirdo: | **put down the bong, buddy** |
| [09:03:39] | Beirdo: | I have a feeling Udo would go bonkers watching mythffmpeg here |
| [09:03:50] | Beirdo: | my resident number just keeps growing |
| [09:03:59] | Beirdo: | but swap use and memory use.. is not |
| [09:04:23] | Beirdo: | he would be insisting that this is a horrible memory leak, blah blah |
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| [09:12:41] | wagnerrp: | GAH! |
| [09:12:53] | wagnerrp: | when copying multiple files, make sure to add that extra '.' |
| [09:19:14] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: well i think this is about as clean as it will ever be |
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| [09:20:12] | Beirdo: | heh, fun |
| [09:23:18] | ** wagnerrp wonders if sphery is still up ** | |
| [09:26:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well, ive got a record of steps taken to use subtree, if you want to look into it for the themes |
| [09:26:46] | wagnerrp: | but do understand all the commits will be added back in new |
| [09:27:18] | Beirdo: | I dunno that subtrees would do any good at all for the themes |
| [09:27:34] | Beirdo: | each theme should ideally be a separate repo |
| [09:27:35] | wagnerrp: | and will exist as a persistent trace in any grapher |
| [09:27:43] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: they are all separate repos |
| [09:28:04] | Beirdo: | and then what's the subtree part of it? |
| [09:28:11] | wagnerrp: | he was interested in making terra/mythcenter separate as well |
| [09:28:19] | wagnerrp: | and then linking them back in with subtree |
| [09:28:30] | ** Beirdo shudders ** | |
| [09:28:35] | Beirdo: | why link them back? |
| [09:28:43] | wagnerrp: | we need some default them |
| [09:28:51] | Beirdo: | once they are no longer default themes, they should bugger off |
| [09:30:07] | wagnerrp: | "i am also interested in running boinc on the r-pi" |
| [09:30:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, we do have a chicken and egg issue though :) |
| [09:30:22] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [09:30:29] | Beirdo: | boinc on a toy CPU? |
| [09:30:32] | Beirdo: | why bother? |
| [09:31:34] | Beirdo: | mythffmpeg says 8.8g resident... |
| [09:31:41] | Beirdo: | almost done the first pass |
| [09:32:26] | Beirdo: | something's buggered in that accounting. gotta be mmapped data, but then I'd see it on disk somewhere |
| [09:33:13] | wagnerrp: | "why i believe ssh should be enabled by default on r-pi" |
| [09:33:23] | wagnerrp: | wait a second, it comes sans storage |
| [09:33:47] | wagnerrp: | you cant have it enabled by default, as there is no bundled ssh, or even any bundled kernel |
| [09:34:00] | Beirdo: | nor anywhere to store the host key |
| [09:34:19] | wagnerrp: | not to mention it would be running passwordless |
| [09:34:45] | Beirdo: | or globally-known password, which is just as insecure |
| [09:35:16] | Beirdo: | whaaaaa? |
| [09:35:20] | wagnerrp: | "overclocking"... well this should be amusing |
| [09:35:24] | Beirdo: | first pass hummed along at 33fps |
| [09:35:37] | Beirdo: | second pass (xvid encoding)... 3fps |
| [09:35:42] | Beirdo: | what the hell? |
| [09:35:52] | wagnerrp: | what codec? |
| [09:35:59] | Beirdo: | xvid |
| [09:36:04] | wagnerrp: | oh, you said that |
| [09:36:10] | Beirdo: | oh, in? h.264 at 720p |
| [09:36:28] | wagnerrp: | well... x264 has some mechanism to allow a |
| [09:36:31] | wagnerrp: | 'turbo mode' |
| [09:36:56] | wagnerrp: | the first pass is run with light settings, as all its doing is getting a motion magnitude estimate |
| [09:37:09] | wagnerrp: | but there is no reason xvid should be running at 3fps |
| [09:37:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, mythffmpeg is at 10% CPU instead of 160% |
| [09:38:11] | Beirdo: | I think I'll just let it run |
| [09:38:31] | Beirdo: | it's probably just dropping craploads of frames for some dumb reason |
| [09:41:19] | wagnerrp: | so i found one... "will the pi have a proper mac address" |
| [09:41:40] | wagnerrp: | and wondering to what levels of depraved insanity this users had delved, i read through it |
| [09:41:50] | wagnerrp: | apparently the beagleboards actually DONT have a MAC address |
| [09:42:07] | wagnerrp: | they left out the eeprom, so there is no persistent storage for one |
| [09:42:38] | Beirdo: | ooooh, I wonder if this is due to audio being 6 channels |
| [09:44:02] | Beirdo: | GAAAAH |
| [09:44:06] | Beirdo: | more crap to fix |
| [09:44:36] | Beirdo: | mythtranscode says it's outputting 2 channels |
| [09:44:55] | Beirdo: | but nuvexport is looking for 6 now as that's what the file has |
| [09:45:19] | Beirdo: | so my hack to nuvexport is no longer needed. Fiiine |
| [09:46:09] | Beirdo: | too much has changed :) |
| [09:50:12] | Beirdo: | hahahaha |
| [09:50:17] | Beirdo: | chipmunk audio |
| [09:50:20] | Beirdo: | yup |
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| [10:11:47] | Beirdo: | well, I'll see how this did when I get up. |
| [10:11:59] | Beirdo: | If that's the only remaining issue, I'll be pleased |
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| [11:26:07] | Eruphus: | Hi, i currently get crazy on my TT 3200 S2 Remote. Have no idea why some of the buttons work (even with wrong behaviour) and some other wont :/ |
| [11:26:07] | Eruphus: | Could anybode give some advice how to configure the Remote? |
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| [15:58:27] | skd5aner: | man, was going to buy a new set of surround speakers for a room, and the sale on newegg went off :/ |
| [15:58:38] | skd5aner: | 80% more today than yesterday :P |
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| [16:14:40] | stuartm: | skd5aner: every now and then I get the urge to buy a 5.1 set for this room, but then I remember that with the layout of furniture I've no idea how I'd position the speakers to get the right balance :/ |
| [16:16:41] | skd5aner: | yea, when I built the house, I pre-wired for it... I've actually got a nice set of inwall speakers (still NIB) and also a full JBL northridge series set, but I'm looking to move and don't want to dump $600 into installing the in-wall speakers, or trying to hang my JBL set only to have to take them down and repair the wall |
| [16:17:12] | skd5aner: | so, I was hoping for a decent set of 8 ohm speakers that would suffice for a little while, and possibly leave with the house |
| [16:18:06] | skd5aner: | to clarify, the in-wall seakers where about ~$600, I'd install them myself for free, but they'd have to go with the house when I sold it |
| [16:18:10] | skd5aner: | I'd rather take them with me |
| [16:19:25] | skd5aner: | stuartm: newegg had this set of polk audio speakers for ~$125 for over a month... today, when I go to buy them, they $229 :P http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290148 |
| [16:19:27] | stuartm: | in-wall or similar is entirely out of the question in this place, all the walls are solid |
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| [16:20:37] | jams: | skd5aner- i really like orbaudio.com but not exactly cheap |
| [16:21:39] | skd5aner: | jams: yea, cheap is the name of the game in this instance – only because they're staying with the house and I won't get any money back out of them |
| [16:23:09] | jams: | instead of inwall I did track channel wiring and made it part of the design of the room |
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| [16:27:29] | stuartm: | I already have a 'decorative' trunking running above the skirting on two walls, so that's where the cabling would run, but I've no idea where I'd site the speakers themselves – I might just go with a cheap free-standing tower type set just to experiment and see if it's worthwhile |
| [16:29:51] | stuartm: | if I can't make it work satisfactorily then I'm not out of pocket on a decent set |
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| [16:43:29] | AndyCap: | White van speakers? :P |
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| [16:50:59] | AndyCap: | skd5aner: can I recommend this? http://www.finn.no/finn/torget/tilsalgs/bilder?finnkode=10659464 only $530 :P |
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| [16:51:28] | skd5aner: | well that's... interesting |
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| [17:05:10] | ponyofdeath: | hi, what do i need to set to allow access to mythbackend from all clients on my LAN not just localhost? |
| [17:05:42] | skd5aner: | make sure that the backend IP address isn't set as 127.0.0.1 |
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| [17:05:53] | skd5aner: | and that mysql doesn't listen only on 127.0.0.1 |
| [17:05:58] | skd5aner: | (I believe) |
| [17:06:08] | ponyofdeath: | ok ty |
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| [17:37:48] | kisak: | afternoon, I run mythtv 0.25 from 20120223 on gentoo and I noticed that I've lost surround sound output through jack with the last update |
| [17:38:52] | kisak: | I was running with the previous ebuild from january before I went to the current ebuild |
| [17:39:44] | kisak: | if I go into the audio config section in mythfrontend, it remembers that I want 8 channel audio (is says "8 |
| [17:40:01] | kisak: | (it says "8", not 7.1) |
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| [17:40:51] | kisak: | but if I rescan and reselect jack at the top of the screen, then the only option I can select below is stereo |
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| [17:45:07] | tgm4883: | Just want to verify before I close this bug. Since 0.25 deprecates mythxml and uses the services API, this link should no longer work correct? http://localhost:6544/xml |
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| [17:57:44] | sphery: | tgm4883: correct. It's now http://localhost:6544/Status/GetStatus (to get XML) or GetStatusHTML to get HTML. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 74595#474595 |
| [17:58:28] | sphery: | kisak: not much consolation, but I will say that I wouldn't be surprised if jack support has broken--and, fwiw, it really needs to be rewritten from the ground up |
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| [17:59:52] | tgm4883: | sphery, thanks, that's good to know. Someone opened a bug for mythtv-status because it no longer works |
| [18:00:03] | tgm4883: | that isn't an upstream mythtv project right? |
| [18:00:24] | sphery: | it's 3rd party |
| [18:00:31] | tgm4883: | that's what I thought |
| [18:00:36] | sphery: | and pretty sure they had this conversation on -users list and the author has an update |
| [18:00:47] | tgm4883: | heh |
| [18:00:58] | tgm4883: | I should stop filtering that list for mythbuntu stuff |
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| [18:02:00] | sphery: | ah, maybe author didn't update it, but some user seems to have just changed the URI in it to make his copy work: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/498210#498210 |
| [18:03:01] | kisak: | sphery: jack still works, it's just putting out stereo only |
| [18:04:14] | sphery: | but if it used to support >2ch output, it's now broken |
| [18:04:34] | sphery: | are you saying it used to support surround? |
| [18:04:43] | sphery: | (mythtv's jack implementation, that is) |
| [18:05:01] | kisak: | yes, it did in the january build of 0.25 |
| [18:05:48] | sphery: | might be worth asking on the list to get more eyes on it |
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| [18:06:00] | sphery: | (and maybe Ed Wildgoose will pop up and volunteer to rewrite it :) |
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| [18:07:35] | skd5aner: | kisak: not sure if jya would have any thoughts to add, he usually deal with the alsa stuff^^ |
| [18:08:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so does this mean that to use MythTV's repo, all the rest of us will have to install git-subtree? |
| [18:10:02] | kisak: | is jya and jyavenard one in the same? |
| [18:10:07] | skd5aner: | yes |
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| [18:11:16] | skd5aner: | not sure I've seen a change in jack support in years |
| [18:11:25] | skd5aner: | the fact that it works at all is shocking to me |
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| [18:37:07] | moorsey: | hey folks, was wondering if anyone could give me a hand getting VDPAU working with an eMachines ER1401, fresh install of Mythbuntu on 0.24 fixes, tried Slim profile, but just get "Failed to initialise video output" when playing anything. Guessing VDPAU may not be enabled somewhere, |
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| [18:40:56] | sphery: | moorsey: you have an nvidia card that supports vdpau and you're using the nvidia proprietary ("restricted") drivers? |
| [18:42:51] | skd5aner: | ... and the vdpau libraries, which aren't packaged with the latest nvidia driver anymore |
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| [18:44:08] | moorsey: | sphery, yes, it has a Geforce 9200 (mobile version I guess, this is a net-top) and nvidia drivers are installed via "additional drivers" in mythbuntu |
| [18:44:47] | moorsey: | skd5aner, ah, not downloaded any vdpau stuf seperatley, so maybe that's it |
| [18:44:52] | stuartm: | moorsey: the 'Slim' profile, or the 'VDPAU Slim' profile? |
| [18:46:02] | moorsey: | stuartm, VDPAU slim |
| [18:46:50] | sphery: | moorsey: and you are using mythbuntu packaged builds, right--not compiling yourself? |
| [18:47:07] | moorsey: | yes, mythbuntu builds |
| [18:47:09] | sphery: | (if so, I'd think they'd force the installation of libvdpau--since they build against it) |
| [18:47:39] | sphery: | worth looking, though--I know that I've seen nvidia installer remove libvdpau from my system after I had installed it, so maybe something like that happened |
| [18:48:28] | moorsey: | just spotted that the nvidia driver installed by default is version 173, but the wiki says support started as of 180.06, so going to grab the latest of nvidia website and try again! |
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| [18:50:31] | sphery: | yeah, 295.x seems to work well |
| [18:51:02] | sphery: | stay away from 290.x--some people have had serious problems with it (though that's what I'm using--and I haven't seen any problems) but said everything worked when they upgraded to 295.x |
| [18:51:57] | moorsey: | ok, thanks, I'll give that a go and try again |
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| [18:54:04] | skd5aner: | so... anyone ever get a solution that works well for lossless h.264 transcoding for commercial removal? |
| [18:58:07] | moorsey: | excellent, that did the trick, everything working great now, hell of a difference, thanks guys |
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| [19:09:38] | frederickjh: | I have the latest Mythbuntu installed and working. My multimedia keys on the keyboard and my remote( that looks like a keyboard to the computer) when the MythTV Frontend is NOT running. However when I start the MythTV Frontend the multimedia volume keys(Volume Up, Volume Down, Volume Mute) no longer work. |
| [19:09:49] | frederickjh: | Any one seen this before or know what to do to configure it? |
| [19:09:57] | frederickjh: | F9, F10, and F11 do work for these functions. |
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| [19:21:38] | stuartm: | you have bound those keys in MythTV ? |
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| [19:23:11] | stuartm: | hmm, seems they should be bound by default in master |
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| [19:33:04] | frederickjh: | yes, those are one of the three bindings that are the default in mythtv |
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| [19:43:23] | sphery: | stuartm: one thing that's always confused me about the volume multimedia keys... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . lay.cpp#L511 vs http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qt.html#Key-enum (which defines Qt::Key_VolumeDown, Qt::Key_VolumeMute, and Qt::Key_VolumeUp without spaces) |
| [19:44:33] | sphery: | frederickjh: I highly recommend going to Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys, selecting TV Frontend context, then finding VOLUMEUP and VOLUMEDOWN (and MUTE), and then mapping a new key and hitting your volume key to see what it shows you. And please let us know if it's something different from what's there. |
| [19:45:24] | stuartm: | sphery: aye, but those are correct, simple way of demonstrating that is to go into the binding editor and press one, it's recognised as 'Volume Up' not 'VolumeUp' |
| [19:46:01] | stuartm: | sphery: it's a difference between the text() of the keypress and the enum value |
| [19:46:18] | stuartm: | hmm, but do we key off the text() or the key code ... |
| [19:47:33] | sphery: | yeah, it was something on my "look at some day" list, but I've never taken the time to dig deeper |
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| [20:03:00] | stuartm: | I should know the answer |
| [20:03:35] | stuartm: | well, "Volume Up" works for me so there is an answer :) |
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| [20:16:20] | RogerM: | anyone here that that is confident in mythgallery and the translations? I'm trying to understand how I should translate this row: ThemeUI::tr("NumImages_Text"); Is this row just a misstake? |
| [20:19:06] | stuartm: | RogerM: it's a mistake |
| [20:19:20] | stuartm: | not sure where it comes from, but a definite mistake |
| [20:19:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, you should only need git-subtree if you want to synchronize that folder with upstream |
| [20:20:25] | RogerM: | That was my guess too. Should I make a ticket for it? |
| [20:22:05] | stuartm: | nah, I'll commit a fix just as soon as I've got some other changes out of my tree |
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| [20:27:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: sweet... |
| [20:28:01] | sphery: | that makes it much easier to use, then |
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| [20:58:06] | justinh: | bad times. I fail at repairing laptop hinges & lids. End result – cracked screen :-( |
| [20:58:55] | justinh: | so now I'm laptop shopping. Goodbye Acer, you served me well & took a fair bit of abuse but now it's time to move on. And now I am incredulous at the sheer volume of portables sporting absolutely pointless CPUs |
| [21:02:31] | sphery: | :( I had a similar failure replacing the heat sink/heat pipe on an old laptop of mine the 3rd time (first 2 times worked). However, in the end, it taught me 2 things: a) laptop heat pipes are expensive to replace (about $60 for materials, alone) and b) by never running any processor/gpu-demanding job on my laptop, I can make my laptop last a /lot/ longer |
| [21:03:31] | justinh: | heh |
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| [21:03:38] | sphery: | so now I just shell in to my full-sized, well-cooled systems at home and let them do the hard work. |
| [21:03:45] | justinh: | I'm hunting for something HP-ish now. Probably a refurb |
| [21:03:57] | justinh: | something core i3 or better. No more GMA graphics for me |
| [21:04:35] | justinh: | apparently laptop lid cracking is caused by the hinges wearing out & subjecting the plastics to too much stress. I never knew that |
| [21:05:17] | justinh: | I just thought it was outright bad design. Well it IS that much, but not as bad as I thought |
| [21:05:44] | justinh: | I had to try & repair my lid, because... nobody is selling lids for my machine even 2nd hand. I mean COME ON |
| [21:06:44] | sphery: | I currently have an HP and have been very happy with it. Seems I purchased it Jan 8, 2009. Batteries (got normal and extra capacity ones) are in great shape, still (capacity has only dropped about 5% on the extra cap and 10% on the normal)--but I unplug the batteries when I'm not actually using them. Did have a power supply failure (likely due to using bad outlets all around in airports and hotels), but I just replaced it with an iGo ... |
| [21:06:47] | justinh: | but as for these machines with Atom processors in em... I dunno who's gonna be using those at home. I doubt they could even cope with compressing video on the fly for Skype |
| [21:06:50] | sphery: | ... "universal", so I'll have that as a backup for my next laptop. |
| [21:07:08] | sphery: | plus, HP still lets you get "enhanced resolution" screens... none of this 1366x800 should be good for everyone garbage |
| [21:07:13] | justinh: | and AMD-C350 or whatever.. I don't even like the sound of that |
| [21:08:03] | justinh: | I've only laid hands on an HP machine once -something I was looking at to fix – and was immediately impressed with the build quality |
| [21:08:25] | justinh: | it'd been dropped down stairs at home & only the multimedia button board had come unplugged |
| [21:08:34] | sphery: | FWIW, mine is still going strong--somewhat to my disappointment, because it means I have no excuse to buy a new one |
| [21:08:53] | justinh: | I'd much rather not buy a new one. I hate buying computer stuff these days |
| [21:09:01] | sphery: | IMHO, getting 3yrs good (and, rather heavy) use out of a laptop isn't bad |
| [21:09:18] | sphery: | heavy use = lots of use, but not much processing thanks to ssh :) |
| [21:09:19] | ** AndyCap went with a lightly used thinkpad for the high dpi goodness ** | |
| [21:09:19] | justinh: | I'd JUSTGETAMAC but I couldn't possibly justify it for basically web browsing & Skype |
| [21:09:37] | sphery: | no joke... that's an expensive way to browse the web |
| [21:09:55] | AndyCap: | sphery: but, but, it's a better web. |
| [21:10:13] | justinh: | current macbooks cost more than my current car is worth :-\ |
| [21:10:14] | sphery: | hehe |
| [21:10:32] | justinh: | refurbished macbooks cost about £5 less |
| [21:10:44] | sphery: | I just read an article talking about how smartphones are the new teen status symbol--more so than cars |
| [21:10:59] | sphery: | so it seems reasonable to pay more for a laptop or smartphone than your car is worth |
| [21:11:04] | justinh: | still, if I do get the pink haze & succumb to a Mac there's the investment angle |
| [21:11:32] | justinh: | car as a status symbol? lol those people always had er... issues with their self-image ;-) |
| [21:11:42] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [21:11:45] | AndyCap: | teens own cars? |
| [21:12:01] | [R]: | what kind of crappy car costs less than a phone? |
| [21:12:06] | justinh: | teens in this country can't rightly afford to insure a car let alone own one |
| [21:12:29] | justinh: | [R]: over here we call it Bangernomics ;) |
| [21:12:54] | justinh: | buy a very cheap car, run it into the ground, buy another.. rinse & repeat |
| [21:13:15] | justinh: | works out cheaper than paying big prices for a car, then paying through the nose to maintain it |
| [21:13:30] | [R]: | but still... aren't phones about the same over there? |
| [21:13:38] | justinh: | £500 service, or £500 car? lol |
| [21:13:54] | [R]: | yeah |
| [21:13:57] | [R]: | phones dont cost that much here |
| [21:13:57] | frederickjh: | Ok, Looks like the problem is not what I thought it was. The volume indicator goes up and down and indicates mute but none of this is happening. |
| [21:13:58] | justinh: | no, all tech stuff is pound for dollar prices, pretty much |
| [21:14:01] | [R]: | google says thats like $800 |
| [21:14:15] | [R]: | unless you are talkinga bout the hardware and the plan? |
| [21:14:20] | justinh: | so if an iphone is $600, over here it's £600 |
| [21:14:26] | frederickjh: | Looks like a alsa ubuntu config problem. Any ideas where to start looking? |
| [21:14:42] | [R]: | justinh: that doesnt seem fair? |
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| [21:14:46] | [R]: | 600 US dollars = 379.0272 British pounds sterling |
| [21:14:51] | justinh: | frederickjh: or a mythtv problem in that it's not configured to use the right device |
| [21:14:54] | frederickjh: | Oh one other thing, the Master mixer does not ajust the volume the PCM does. |
| [21:15:03] | justinh: | [R]: who said it was fair? |
| [21:15:07] | [R]: | justinh: haha |
| [21:15:13] | frederickjh: | Does the same thing with cromium and youtube. |
| [21:15:39] | justinh: | [R]: twas always the case. |
| [21:16:00] | frederickjh: | Which says to me that maybe xbuntu is adjusting the wrong fader. |
| [21:16:04] | justinh: | [R]: you guys go 'mac stuff isn't too expensive'.. we go 'oh yeah it is |
| [21:16:17] | sphery: | [R]: phones cost a lot more than that here... However, your provider has fooled you into thinking they don't because you're paying the "lease to own" prices every month |
| [21:16:19] | justinh: | if I could buy a macbook at dollar prices... |
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| [21:16:46] | [R]: | sphery: no, the off contract price is like 500–600 |
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| [21:17:15] | justinh: | hmm heard good things about elitebooks.. here's one with C2D 2.8Ghz, 4GB.. but vista installed. £255 delivered, plus new OS... |
| [21:17:38] | sphery: | ah, you meant versus pounds... I saw the 500 and thought, "Yeah, that's exactly what they cost" |
| [21:17:43] | justinh: | but this site doesn't say whether it has nvidia or the ATI graphics :-\ |
| [21:17:56] | justinh: | that's kind of important, guys :-) |
| [21:18:26] | justinh: | oh yeah, was almost tempted to order an MSI notebook – read good things about it, then found out it doesn't have gigE :-O |
| [21:18:50] | [R]: | justinh: how do you live your life knowing you are getting screwed all the time? |
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| [21:19:12] | justinh: | I'm really gonna miss my extensa's button pad under the trackpad too. no back/forward/scroll buttons on these newer models |
| [21:19:26] | justinh: | [R]: that's life isn't it? THE MAN |
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| [21:19:31] | [R]: | lol |
| [21:19:58] | justinh: | honestly, who gets by with just left & right mouse buttons these days? |
| [21:20:22] | justinh: | oh you say, they probably plug in another mouse. Real handy, when it's on your lap when you're layed out on the couch |
| [21:20:25] | [R]: | you scroll with the touchpad |
| [21:20:26] | AndyCap: | [R]: There's a 20% VAT to consider, so it's not the vendors doing all the screwing |
| [21:20:41] | justinh: | [R]: I hate that |
| [21:20:51] | [R]: | justinh: why? |
| [21:20:54] | sphery: | kenni: nice work--thanks for testing and handling #9508 |
| [21:20:57] | justinh: | though maybe they don't all suck to hell like my wife's dell vostro |
| [21:21:12] | [R]: | justinh: theres edge scrolling and two finger scrolling |
| [21:21:34] | justinh: | multitouch & gestures would be nice :-) |
| [21:21:49] | justinh: | they never seem to say anything about whether the drivers support gestures etc |
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| [21:22:15] | justinh: | seem to have to download & digest the whole damn user manual to find out |
| [21:22:31] | [R]: | if its an elantech or a synaptics and its a fairely recent model, it most likely supports it |
| [21:22:48] | justinh: | went to see some in person today. seems dell have gone down the road of chicklet flat keys (HATE) which bend in the middle |
| [21:23:22] | justinh: | my acer has a synaptics. the driver had a kitchen sink style control panel app |
| [21:24:12] | justinh: | shop spec sheets tend not to say who makes the touchpad |
| [21:24:25] | justinh: | they tend to say "look! SHINY SHINY SHINY!" |
| [21:24:48] | [R]: | i just dont get it... why does EVERY youtube video of somethign showing you how to do something on a computer HAVE to have really crappy techno music in the background? |
| [21:25:01] | [R]: | is there some "how to make youtube instructino videos" howto im missing? |
| [21:25:04] | justinh: | AMD-C50? BLEUGH |
| [21:25:07] | justinh: | lol |
| [21:25:10] | [R]: | step 1) include crpapy techno music |
| [21:25:21] | justinh: | [R]: what really makes me laugh are all the tv caps taken from an actual TV screen |
| [21:25:34] | justinh: | [R]: step 2: wobble the camera. LOTS |
| [21:25:37] | [R]: | haha |
| [21:25:55] | justinh: | step 2.1: Cover the camera mic with your hand from time to time |
| [21:26:01] | [R]: | and then theres the peopel that actually show you how to d/l stuf... like if you cant' figure that out... just end it already |
| [21:26:18] | justinh: | we complained there wasn't enough user generated content |
| [21:27:19] | kenni: | sphery: np, I spend so much time on getting the CI on that TechnoTrend tuner to work, so that ticket was an easy close :) |
| [21:27:38] | justinh: | oo. Like a G6 |
| [21:28:27] | justinh: | ugh. not a g6–1278sa. 10/100 ethernet?! |
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| [21:28:34] | justinh: | it's 2012 people! |
| [21:29:09] | justinh: | hmm multitouch touchpad, and 1.3Mp webcam... swaying |
| [21:30:00] | ** justinh wonders if a core i3 @ 2.4Ghz could play files from his camcorder ** | |
| [21:30:33] | justinh: | oh. wrong about the webcam. 0.3mp |
| [21:31:36] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt that be 1MP? |
| [21:31:49] | wagnerrp: | dont forget to count the individual RGB subpixels independently |
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| [21:32:17] | justinh: | not a deal breaker. got a nice webcam for skype anyway |
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| [21:37:21] | skd5aner: | my built in camera sucks, so I leverage an external USB one |
| [21:37:58] | justinh: | generally more handy to have the camera external anyway, I think |
| [21:38:09] | justinh: | it doesn't have to be in the same place for 1 thing |
| [21:38:11] | skd5aner: | sometimes... |
| [21:38:30] | skd5aner: | it's good to have one on hand, or to be able to swivel it about if needed... |
| [21:38:45] | skd5aner: | but a nice built in one would make things a bit easier/nicer a good deal of time for me |
| [21:38:57] | skd5aner: | but it's basically next to worthless |
| [21:39:21] | justinh: | hmm I do quite like this HP g6. i3–370M 6GB RAM, 500GB HDD.windows 7.. £329 |
| [21:39:28] | skd5aner: | (a year old toshiba – don't remember the camera maker) |
| [21:39:43] | skd5aner: | the external camera I have is a Microsoft HD one... I like it a lot actually |
| [21:40:08] | justinh: | at PC World of all places. Sheesh |
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| [21:41:46] | karl_k: | hi all, i have a problem with dvbt dropping all the time: |
| [21:41:59] | karl_k: | http://pastebin.com/Dygt9q81 |
| [21:42:11] | karl_k: | could someone have a look and try to find out whats happening there ? |
| [21:42:47] | justinh: | run femon on your backend first |
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| [21:42:59] | justinh: | see if it's signal related. my bet is, IT IS :-) |
| [21:43:55] | karl_k: | well, we have a central satellite line, no one else (using dvbt-boxes or TVs) seems to have problems |
| [21:44:15] | justinh: | satellite is not dvb-t |
| [21:44:16] | Beirdo: | umm? |
| [21:44:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, jsut what I was going to say |
| [21:44:41] | karl_k: | sorry, i run both dvbt and dvb-s |
| [21:44:48] | karl_k: | these lockups happen on both |
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| [21:45:11] | karl_k: | femon is running, what output do you need ? |
| [21:45:42] | justinh: | a few lines of femon output |
| [21:46:01] | justinh: | in a pastebin, as before |
| [21:47:10] | karl_k: | http://pastebin.com/rLsm57KL |
| [21:47:15] | Seeker`: | my freeview signal is shocking |
| [21:47:19] | Seeker`: | looking forward to apr 18th |
| [21:48:29] | justinh: | karl_k: signal looks ok. BER all zeros (bit error rate) UNC (uncorrectable errors) all zeros too :-) |
| [21:49:07] | justinh: | karl_k: you need to be looking in yer backend log. my next guess is that channels have moved around, changed serviceids or whatever |
| [21:49:29] | justinh: | although if you run femon exactly when you start to see problems that'd be a better indicator |
| [21:49:31] | karl_k: | i have the feeling its the decoder having problems with the mpeg stream |
| [21:49:46] | karl_k: | it happens frequently in the last few seconds of a movie |
| [21:49:54] | justinh: | ah |
| [21:50:04] | justinh: | more info, different story altogether |
| [21:50:13] | skd5aner: | ah, the last few minutes of movies aren't /that/ important |
| [21:50:30] | karl_k: | sometimes it just hangs for a few seconds, then goes on, sometimes it hangs too long and then mythtv-frontend crashes |
| [21:50:39] | karl_k: | its super-annoying |
| [21:50:52] | karl_k: | my gf is close to buying a "real tv" ... |
| [21:51:02] | skd5aner: | oh, snap |
| [21:51:34] | justinh: | so let her :-) |
| [21:51:45] | justinh: | better to watch live things live than do it through mythtv anyway IMHO |
| [21:51:50] | skd5aner: | maybe torc should be renamed to "RealTV" <rimshot>ba dum crash</rimshot> |
| [21:51:55] | karl_k: | does anyone know in which file/package the dvb-decoder is living ? |
| [21:52:04] | Beirdo: | puleeze |
| [21:52:15] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [21:52:20] | justinh: | karl_k: it's ffmpeg. mythtv's own mirror of it. kinda |
| [21:52:30] | karl_k: | i dont remember having these problems on a mythbuntu box |
| [21:52:37] | justinh: | mythtv pulls code from ffmpeg & bends it to its will |
| [21:52:45] | karl_k: | but we are now on debian |
| [21:52:54] | justinh: | older version of mythtv, then, likely |
| [21:53:07] | skd5aner: | mythfrontend --version |
| [21:53:26] | justinh: | newer versions are more likely to have fixes for naughty streams |
| [21:53:30] | karl_k: | karl@karl-fernseher:~$ mythfrontend --version |
| [21:53:30] | karl_k: | Please attach all output as a file in bug reports. |
| [21:53:30] | karl_k: | MythTV Version : v0.24.2 |
| [21:53:30] | karl_k: | MythTV Branch : |
| [21:53:30] | karl_k: | Network Protocol : 63 |
| [21:53:31] | karl_k: | Library API : 0.24.20110505–1 |
| [21:53:33] | karl_k: | QT Version : 4.6.3 |
| [21:53:35] | karl_k: | Options compiled in: |
| [21:53:37] | karl_k: | linux release using_alsa using_jack using_oss using_pulse using_pulseoutput using_backend using_bindings_perl using_bindings_python using_directfb using_dvb using_firewire using_frontend using_hdhomerun using_hdpvr using_iptv using_ivtv using_joystick_menu using_libfftw3 using_lirc using_mheg using_opengl_video using_opengl_vsync using_qtdbus using_qtwebkit using_v4l using_x11 using_xrandr using_xv using_xvmc using_xvmc_vld using_xv |
| [21:53:42] | karl_k: | mcw using_bindings_perl using_bindings_python using_mythtranscode using_opengl using_vdpau using_ffmpeg_threads using_live using_mheg |
| [21:53:45] | karl_k: | karl@karl-fernseher:~$ |
| [21:54:04] | Beirdo: | umm, pastebin! |
| [21:54:05] | karl_k: | is that old ? |
| [21:54:18] | tgm4883: | thats pretty old |
| [21:54:23] | tgm4883: | may 2011 |
| [21:54:48] | wagnerrp: | 0.24.2, not old |
| [21:55:02] | Beirdo: | 0.24.2 release |
| [21:55:04] | Beirdo: | old. |
| [21:55:14] | wagnerrp: | about two months? |
| [21:55:15] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, oh, I was looking at the library API |
| [21:55:18] | tgm4883: | that doesn't update? |
| [21:55:24] | wagnerrp: | theres been maybe 20 commits since then |
| [21:55:30] | tgm4883: | 0.24.20110505–1 |
| [21:55:33] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: ideally, ABI versions should not change during a release |
| [21:55:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, not terribly old for 0.24 though |
| [21:55:40] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [21:55:58] | karl_k: | so any suggestions what i could do ? |
| [21:56:50] | justinh: | you could still be having signal problems |
| [21:56:57] | tgm4883: | On a different note, is subtitle placement part of the video file or is MythTV doing all of that? |
| [21:57:02] | justinh: | start logging mythbackend with mythbackend -v record |
| [21:57:16] | justinh: | tgm4883: depends |
| [21:57:19] | Beirdo: | tgm4883: I think it depends on the type of subtitling/captions |
| [21:57:28] | tgm4883: | It's not burned in |
| [21:57:32] | tgm4883: | if that's the question |
| [21:57:39] | tgm4883: | I can turn them on and off |
| [21:57:41] | justinh: | tgm4883: if it's ATSC/DVB then the placement is a separate stream |
| [21:57:45] | Beirdo: | some formats of captioning contain the formatting |
| [21:58:01] | tgm4883: | It's my star wars bluray rip |
| [21:58:17] | tgm4883: | I used makemkv |
| [21:58:27] | tgm4883: | So let me explain the issue |
| [21:58:38] | justinh: | honestly though.. 10/100 ethernet, in this day & age.. OY |
| [21:58:54] | justinh: | so the subs will likely be text based |
| [21:59:25] | justinh: | and mythtv takes the text & puts it onscreen under its own steam, rendering it itself with (up to a certain version of mythtv) a user defined font |
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| [21:59:41] | justinh: | if the font is a bad choice (hence the reason for removing the choice) it'll look bad |
| [22:00:00] | justinh: | badly placed, badly kerned, wrongly spaced... |
| [22:00:16] | justinh: | users shouldn't be able to control this stuff IMHO |
| [22:00:20] | karl_k: | ook, i started logging, will come back in a few days |
| [22:00:26] | karl_k: | thanks for the help, |
| [22:00:28] | tgm4883: | I've set the Fill to full so it takes up my full screen, the issue is that some of the longer subtitles then go off the screen |
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| [22:00:45] | tgm4883: | If it's MythTV that sets that, it would seem like a bug |
| [22:00:49] | tgm4883: | it should wrap the subtitles |
| [22:00:54] | tgm4883: | but I don't know if it can do that |
| [22:01:38] | justinh: | try turning down the font size then. that's probably definable too :-\ |
| [22:02:10] | Beirdo: | whoah. Test run finished. Must test. |
| [22:02:45] | tgm4883: | justinh, i'll test that, thanks |
| [22:06:09] | Beirdo: | test successful |
| [22:06:21] | Beirdo: | one more test to go. 1080i source with cutpoints |
| [22:10:03] | skd5aner: | whatcha testing? |
| [22:10:12] | Beirdo: | mythtranscode fixes |
| [22:10:28] | Beirdo: | in the fifo mode as used by nuvexport |
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| [22:10:45] | skd5aner: | nice... I don't suppose that will help answer the question I asked a few hours ago though? |
| [22:10:59] | Beirdo: | I dunno, I didn't see the question :) |
| [22:11:07] | Beirdo: | I was likely asleep at the time |
| [22:11:20] | skd5aner: | "<skd5aner> so... anyone ever get a solution that works well for lossless h.264 transcoding for commercial removal?" |
| [22:11:30] | Beirdo: | the answer is no. |
| [22:11:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:11:45] | skd5aner: | bummer |
| [22:12:07] | skd5aner: | why not? |
| [22:12:11] | Beirdo: | there are some gopchop-like scripts out there to try, but we ain't there yet |
| [22:12:36] | ** RogerM is getting a bit cloudy in the head while translating.. Sure is lots of words and sentences in mythtv that isn't used in "normal" daily speach. :) ** | |
| [22:12:44] | Beirdo: | because "lossless" is very tricky to get right. The MPEG2 one barely works |
| [22:13:15] | stuartm: | justinh: it's funny but there's a UK/US divide (against/for) on the question of users being able to define the subtitle font, although maybe it's just a coincidence |
| [22:13:45] | wagnerrp: | there is? |
| [22:14:21] | wagnerrp: | i honestly havent paid much attention to that whole thing |
| [22:14:27] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: well so it seemed to me based on discussions that have been had over the past week or two |
| [22:14:32] | wagnerrp: | but i cant say ive noticed any real national divide |
| [22:14:35] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: it sounds like a good project to try for a future release though |
| [22:14:50] | Beirdo: | as an extension of the MPEG2 one |
| [22:14:59] | justinh: | stuartm: you can't choose with DVB or DVD, so I suspect it'd be best not to be able to choose |
| [22:15:09] | justinh: | users need to be protected from themselves :-) |
| [22:15:12] | stuartm: | justinh: that's my argument in a nutshell |
| [22:15:51] | stuartm: | justinh: although in the US they can chose, because they have Closed Captioning on DVD/Blu-ray as well as image based subs |
| [22:15:57] | justinh: | subs are designed not to be too verbose to fit onscreen so decide on one size |
| [22:16:03] | wagnerrp: | are US users more accustomed to ill-gotten content with softsubs? |
| [22:16:09] | Beirdo: | what are we, the US federal government? users need to be protected from themselves? :) |
| [22:16:23] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: arent the CC data and subtitles generally very different? |
| [22:16:31] | Beirdo: | BTW, I have no iron in this fire anyways :) |
| [22:16:36] | knightr: | RogerM if you find something that truly doesn't make sense let me know, I'll see what we can do about those... |
| [22:16:39] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: hard to say, we don't have CC in the UK |
| [22:16:43] | justinh: | Beirdo: have you seen screencaps of mythdroid? man, that guy shouldn't have been allowed to set his droid system font to comic sans |
| [22:17:01] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [22:17:05] | Beirdo: | no, haven't looked |
| [22:17:08] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: but then it seems our subtitles are pretty much what you'd call CC based on previous discussions around the differences |
| [22:17:09] | wagnerrp: | i.e. the subs are just the text, while CC data often contains auditory cues... door closes, door slams, clapping, singing, etc... |
| [22:17:19] | justinh: | Beirdo: almost put me off even trying the app |
| [22:17:31] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: right, that's what we get as part of the image based subtitles |
| [22:17:33] | justinh: | wagnerrp: subtitles have that here too |
| [22:17:51] | justinh: | text based teletext (VBI) subtitles had that as well |
| [22:17:58] | stuartm: | yup |
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| [22:18:19] | wagnerrp: | so unless youre deaf, or otherwise have the TV muted, why would you ever choose CC data over basic subs? |
| [22:18:37] | Beirdo: | that's a big "if" there |
| [22:18:46] | stuartm: | but even teletext subs, although they were text based were all rendered using the exact same font on all devices with no end-user control over font or size |
| [22:19:13] | justinh: | so does a USA ATSC STB let the user control the font & size? |
| [22:19:29] | wagnerrp: | not that ive ever seen |
| [22:19:44] | justinh: | choose whatever the appliances do, optimise that to work well with myth, job done :-) |
| [22:19:45] | wagnerrp: | of course our "STB" are little pieces of junk intended for analog only |
| [22:19:54] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: why would you choose subtitles unless you can't hear? |
| [22:20:07] | justinh: | less settings in the app, or worst case, less for the themer to worry about |
| [22:20:10] | ** sphery always uses captions/subtitles ** | |
| [22:20:13] | sphery: | and can hear fine |
| [22:20:35] | ** justinh suspects sphery would need CC for watching Geordie Shore ** | |
| [22:20:37] | sphery: | however, some actors mumble, sometimes sound effects are mixed improperly, resulting in background drowning out voices or ... |
| [22:20:56] | stuartm: | I use subs often enough, but at night usually when I've turned down the volume a little, or when it's a film/show with badly mixed audio or mumbling actors |
| [22:20:58] | justinh: | and sometimes watching on 2x timestretch is a mistake :P |
| [22:21:04] | sphery: | plus, then I feel more like I'm a cultured person reading a book rather than wasting time on tv :) |
| [22:21:30] | justinh: | lol |
| [22:21:31] | stuartm: | I actually do appreciate the fact that the subtitles in the UK will tell you the name of a piece of background music |
| [22:21:41] | justinh: | really? :-O |
| [22:21:50] | stuartm: | yup |
| [22:21:55] | justinh: | might save calls to the duty office I suppose |
| [22:22:54] | stuartm: | justinh: might not apply to all channels/programmes, I've not consciously noted a pattern to it |
| [22:23:19] | skd5aner: | hey... btw, I'd love it it mythtv had an option to enable CC/Subs if mute was enabled... I've seen several TVs over the years with that option |
| [22:23:27] | justinh: | OMG I think I might actually be going to buy a thing from PC World. |
| [22:23:29] | stuartm: | usually gives artist/title |
| [22:23:41] | skd5aner: | It's off by default on those TVs, but I've used it before and like the feature |
| [22:23:44] | justinh: | skd5aner: MOARSETTINGS? |
| [22:23:58] | skd5aner: | justinh: USABLESETTINGS |
| [22:24:31] | skd5aner: | More != bad |
| [22:24:32] | justinh: | playback profile called "the inlaws are round" |
| [22:24:53] | skd5aner: | or, even better: JUSTIFIEDSETTINGS |
| [22:26:29] | justinh: | I can't be having this. Somebody else has got to be selling a HP laptop with the shiny things I want at a nice price |
| [22:26:37] | sphery: | stuartm: I love it when the captions tell you one set of dialogue, but the words use another--or captions say one background sond is playing and it's different |
| [22:27:01] | sphery: | sometimes the dual "interpretations" give you a better idea of what the producer actually wanted |
| [22:27:28] | sphery: | (these things happen when they make "last-minute" changes to the script--usually due to complaints from censors or licensing issues for songs, etc.) |
| [22:27:42] | skd5aner: | yea, I've seen that too... |
| [22:27:56] | skd5aner: | was really confused, but then I realized that it happened quite often depending on the show |
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| [22:28:16] | swerve: | my mythbackend keeps dying after trying to record something |
| [22:28:30] | swerve: | error message in the log says "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' what(): std::bad_alloc |
| [22:28:34] | wagnerrp: | scheduled or live? what type of tuner? |
| [22:28:46] | sphery: | also on "fade outs", when you can't hear the dialogue, the captions often tell you what they're saying--and often let you hear another joke or 2 |
| [22:28:49] | sphery: | "hear" |
| [22:28:52] | swerve: | pvr-150 |
| [22:29:11] | jya: | kisak: If you have selected an audio device that supported 8, selected 7.1 from the list ; then changed something on the device, and now it only supports say 2. Unfortunately, and I am aware of that bug, it will now show "8" instead of 7.1 |
| [22:29:12] | wagnerrp: | you have it set as an MPEG2/IVTV tuner? |
| [22:29:13] | swerve: | live tv doesn't even work, these are scheduled recordings |
| [22:29:23] | sphery: | swerve: std::bad_alloc means we were unable to set aside memory we needed to do the work we're trying to do... |
| [22:29:24] | swerve: | yes, settings haven't changed |
| [22:29:48] | wagnerrp: | would need to see a backtrace to see specifically where it is going wrong |
| [22:29:51] | swerve: | hmm, that's weird, I should have plenty of memory |
| [22:29:53] | sphery: | are you sure you have sufficient RAM in the system, and swap support, |
| [22:29:56] | swerve: | maybe it's bad |
| [22:30:14] | sphery: | I don't think bad memory results in a bad_alloc |
| [22:30:42] | swerve: | it's a very low-impact server. basically just does mythtv now |
| [22:30:44] | wagnerrp: | how much is "plenty"? |
| [22:31:04] | jya: | kisak: actually happen is that as the device doesn't support 8 channels, the channel list doesn't get populated with 7.1. There are a few reasons I didn't want to fix this. The first one is a myth settings issue. It always show in the list what your current settings is, valid or not. If you go through the choice list, you'll see that you don't have 7.1 in it anymore |
| [22:31:07] | swerve: | has 2.5GB, says there's even free, swap is unused |
| [22:31:17] | swerve: | even free mem |
| [22:31:25] | wagnerrp: | thats an odd number |
| [22:31:53] | jya: | The other reason I didn't want to work around, was say I see that it doesn't do 7.1, so I change it for 2. Now the next time it does support 7.1 it will be stuck to 2, now it will revert back to that settings |
| [22:31:55] | swerve: | yes, think I have 2 1GB sticks and a 500mb in third slot |
| [22:32:09] | wagnerrp: | this is an old 754 Athlon? |
| [22:32:31] | jya: | JACK does support 8 channels, provided you have properly configured the server. I recently fixed some bugs in the jack code (I'm actually wondering on how it ever worked before that). |
| [22:32:35] | swerve: | problems seemed to start actually after power outage fried my PSU. I got an Antec, but have been havign problems ever since |
| [22:32:48] | jya: | kisak: so I suggest you check your jack server configuration |
| [22:32:57] | swerve: | it's an old Athlon, yeah |
| [22:33:06] | swerve: | socket A |
| [22:33:18] | swerve: | 1754Mhz |
| [22:33:23] | wagnerrp: | anything socket A, you would be better off with just the 2 1GB sticks |
| [22:33:49] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, Socket A was all dual-channel |
| [22:33:52] | sphery: | it could be a bug in mythtv (i.e. if we try to copy an inordinately-large memory structure or even using too-large a structure on the stack), but it's more likely a resource issue |
| [22:34:01] | swerve: | maybe that's the prob. |
| [22:34:21] | wagnerrp: | single/dual channel wouldnt make any difference to this problem |
| [22:34:34] | wagnerrp: | but it would noticeably improve performance of the machine |
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| [22:35:53] | swerve: | I'll take out one of the sticks and see what happens, thx |
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| [22:36:26] | wagnerrp: | well as mentioned, it shouldnt cause or solve your problem |
| [22:41:41] | justinh: | damnit, pcworld. pixmania have the same model with 2GB less RAM for £20 less, but £6 delivery. PCW win |
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| [22:47:36] | justinh: | so er.. intel HD graphics... can they actually do gl or are they are crap as GMA rubbish? |
| [22:47:52] | justinh: | or just "not on linux, yet" ? |
| [22:49:42] | stuartm: | justinh: yeah, it's shocking but PCW actually got some of my money a few months back because they were shockingly the best on price |
| [22:50:20] | stuartm: | and I used 'shock' twice for emphasis ... honest |
| [22:50:26] | justinh: | £329.99 for the extra 2GB RAM, free ndelivery |
| [22:50:48] | justinh: | meh. I'll just go for this. it won't be any worse than the last one |
| [22:50:55] | justinh: | it *couldn't* be lol |
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| [22:52:09] | stuartm: | actually the one thing PCW have always been competitive on are complete systems, it's their component prices which historically have been extortionate but they relied on hooking customers with cheap PC/Laptop deals and then having them come back for upgrades |
| [22:52:27] | ** justinh considers posting a question on the PCW site with "can you post the output of lspci on this machine please?" :-D ** | |
| [22:54:06] | stuartm: | discovered a new place recently, Kikatek – saved a good £10 on a NAS compared to the next lowest price |
| [22:55:39] | justinh: | LOL. Acer Aspire One with an atom N550 CPU, 1GB RAM... £260-.74 |
| [22:56:46] | justinh: | right. before I buy this thing I wanna see the manual |
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| [22:58:49] | prologic: | Hmm all of a sudden this morning I'm getting "connection timed out" problems when trying to connect to the backend |
| [22:58:59] | prologic: | everything looks right though and nothing has changed sinace last night |
| [22:59:44] | justinh: | I used to see stuff like that |
| [22:59:47] | justinh: | backend was deadlocking |
| [23:00:10] | justinh: | everything was ok, nothing changed & it just started falling over |
| [23:00:27] | justinh: | I stopped using active EIT scans & it greatly lessened |
| [23:00:34] | justinh: | not that it happened often |
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| [23:03:05] | justinh: | well, now I know the touchpad is definitely multitouch.. but not what the actual graphics hardware is |
| [23:04:08] | stuartm: | justinh: nothing on the manufacturers website? |
| [23:05:16] | justinh: | stuartm: 'Intel HD graphics' |
| [23:06:27] | justinh: | meh. can't be any worse than the 5620z was |
| [23:06:34] | justinh: | it really couldn't |
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| [23:10:41] | kenni: | wagnerrp: have you ever seen that find_orphans.py suggests that all recordings on the system are "Recordings with missing files"? I've just seen it on my system, I told it to delete a 2.4GB orphaned video file on a EXT4 file system, after which it listed all of my recordings as "Recordings with missing files". Refreshing the list didn't remove the recordings from the list, but restarting the script did. |
| [23:11:40] | kenni: | on git master from today, btw |
| [23:12:09] | wagnerrp: | ive heard people claim of such, ive not seen it personally or know what would cause it |
| [23:12:24] | kenni: | ok |
| [23:12:33] | wagnerrp: | i dont see anything wrong with the script itself |
| [23:12:44] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can think of is its getting a bad file list from the backend |
| [23:12:56] | pyrodex: | loving the new delayed delete feature guys! prevents the wife from screwing up... |
| [23:13:21] | wagnerrp: | new? its been around as long as i have |
| [23:13:36] | pyrodex: | hmm well it is showing up in Mythweb now |
| [23:13:39] | pyrodex: | or i did something new |
| [23:13:48] | pyrodex: | I don't use a frontend at all so never see those features |
| [23:13:57] | kenni: | wagnerrp: yep, unfortunately I can't reproduce now and try to debug, since the issue is gone |
| [23:14:44] | justinh: | pyrodex: you need a wife like mine. she never deletes anything |
| [23:15:02] | justinh: | SHE NEVER DELETES ANYTHING :-( |
| [23:15:37] | pyrodex: | justinh haha |
| [23:16:09] | justinh: | Oh man. http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/402/kb402883.html |
| [23:18:47] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I think he means that it's no longer an optional feature, it's on for everyone all the time |
| [23:19:19] | justinh: | what? |
| [23:19:36] | justinh: | is it just me or are all the feature changes going the wrong way? |
| [23:19:38] | stuartm: | and since mythweb doesn't have access to the frontend settings, if someone never used the fronted it wasn't previously available |
| [23:19:59] | stuartm: | justinh: trust me, this is a good change |
| [23:20:07] | pyrodex: | I'll use the frontend when someone gets a windows 0.25 version out. |
| [23:20:31] | stuartm: | justinh: deleted recordings get put into the deleted group for a minimum of 5 minutes allowing them to be recovered if deleted by accident |
| [23:20:32] | pyrodex: | i know someone is compiling 0.24 fixes atm but they don't do 0.25 |
| [23:20:44] | justinh: | stuartm: maybe you're right. when my kids are older I spose I'll find out for certain ;-) |
| [23:21:10] | stuartm: | justinh: they get permanently deleted within 20 minutes |
| [23:21:27] | stuartm: | unless the user has configured a longer 'hold' |
| [23:21:34] | justinh: | ahhh |
| [23:21:41] | justinh: | yeah. I'm on board now :D |
| [23:22:11] | justinh: | that's about as long as deletes would take on ext3 anyway :-P |
| [23:22:46] | stuartm: | it's just a delayed delete, it covers that 'Oh shit!' moment where you've accidentally deleted the wrong episode but also fixes the annoying bug where you can't delete something until it's finished generating the preview |
| [23:23:22] | justinh: | that sounds pretty neato |
| [23:23:53] | stuartm: | I originally went with a 10 minute delay, but due to the way the auto-expirer runs every 15 minutes when idle that mean it could take up to 25 minutes to actually delete the file |
| [23:25:13] | prologic: | hmm this is weird |
| [23:25:14] | stuartm: | so it's now a 5 minute delay, which could still mean up to 20 minutes in the worst case scenario, up to 10 if we're recording at the time and exactly 5 if the timing was absolutely perfect |
| [23:25:40] | prologic: | the backend is complaining about not being able to connect to the mysql database and gets access denied for mythtv@localhost using password yes |
| [23:25:46] | prologic: | but this works using the mysql cli |
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| [23:26:10] | stuartm: | prologic: and you're sure about the password? |
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| [23:26:23] | prologic: | yup |
| [23:26:30] | prologic: | confirmed the password |
| [23:26:34] | sphery: | prologic: check every single config.xml and mysql.txt on the system |
| [23:26:43] | sphery: | also look in log for "Using configuration directory: ..." |
| [23:27:10] | sphery: | many have more than one config file, which leads to their thinking password is properly specified, when it's not |
| [23:27:15] | prologic: | Using configuration directory = /media/mythtv/.mythtv |
| [23:28:50] | sphery: | definitely check the config.xml and mysql.txt in there, then |
| [23:29:24] | sphery: | but also check other files-- mysql.txt expecially |
| [23:29:26] | wagnerrp: | do we still have any visualization support in mythmusic? |
| [23:29:30] | sphery: | (other copies) |
| [23:31:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think we have some--remember some thread where paul-h said that they're very inefficient, now, and the OP of the thread probably needed to disable them or use blank visualization or something |
| [23:31:44] | sphery: | (because of the way they're handled, now, since the mythui change and without proper visualization support in mythui completed) |
| [23:31:56] | prologic: | ok we're back in business |
| [23:32:04] | skd5aner: | wagerrp: yes, a few |
| [23:32:32] | skd5aner: | that said, visualization support in MythUI was Mark's doing – so no clue who might take that over |
| [23:36:24] | kenni: | anyone know what's up with the "show the main menu for x seconds while changing live tv channel from the guide" in git master? It quite bad usability as you now think you're back in the main menu and hence starts to press buttons on the remote. I think we just showed a black screen or something in 0.24-fixes |
| [23:37:23] | kenni: | ..intentional or unintentional. It worked much better nevertheless :) |
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| [23:39:00] | kenni: | hmm, seems like it's only with Arclight |
| [23:39:59] | sphery: | perhaps related to how the theme implements the please wait dialog |
| [23:40:11] | sphery: | and/or base window stuff? |
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| [23:41:13] | kenni: | I don't think we had a please wait dialog in 0.24 when changing channels from the guide? I only remember seeing the please wait dialog on initial startup of live tv |
| [23:41:41] | wagnerrp: | do we do any internet radio? |
| [23:42:01] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: not yet, but Paul is working on it for mythmusic |
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| [23:42:32] | Beirdo: | I want FM tuner support too some decade :) |
| [23:42:47] | Beirdo: | and i realize that means I'll likely have to code it :) |
| [23:42:48] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:43:00] | stuartm: | well, I say that, there is some stuff about streaming radio in the current mythmusic UI but I've no idea whether (or how) it works |
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| [23:49:29] | danomac: | hi all. have an odd problem, the OSD isn't showing the signal strength after a kernel update. where does it get its strength numbers from? |
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| [23:49:50] | danomac: | it's still tuning and otherwise working |
| [23:50:45] | [R]: | from the driver |
| [23:51:06] | danomac: | it is only on one tuner card, the hvr2250, the hd homerun seems to be fine? dmesg doesn't show errors on the backend (regarding the saa7164 driver) |
| [23:52:59] | [R]: | so... and? |
| [23:53:01] | danomac: | hmm. i guess i'll have to poke around with it later. |
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| [23:53:49] | danomac: | i figured if there was an issue with the in-kernel driver it'd be noted in dmesg. looks to be OK for now though. |
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| [23:55:04] | danomac: | thanks. |
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| [23:56:49] | awalls: | Beirdo: +1 for fm radio. |
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