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| [00:07:12] | jm|laptop: | would someone with more clue than me please look at an excerpt of my mythbackend.log and see if they can work out why a particular programme I have scheduled has now twice recorded strangely – where it seems to only record part of the programme, and late |
| [00:08:59] | sphery: | where's the log? |
| [00:09:12] | jm|laptop: | hi sphery. Preparing now. :) |
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| [00:12:23] | jm|laptop: | sphery: a second recording kicks in on the same mux mid-way through the failed one that finished fine |
| [00:12:46] | jm|laptop: | sphery: http://pastebin.com/qXz2L286 |
| [00:13:40] | jm|laptop: | "2012-02–22 21:54:51.934590 E [2147/2159] TVRecEvent dtvchannel.cpp:251 (SetChannelByString) – DTVChan(/dev/dvb/adapter100/frontend0): SetChannelByString(3): Requested channel '3' is not available because the tuner is currently in use on another transport." not sure what this is |
| [00:14:35] | jm|laptop: | the programme that failed was channum 52 |
| [00:15:03] | jm|laptop: | it is a live broadcast but I'm not sure this is relevant. It has failed twice though. |
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| [00:16:39] | jm|laptop: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 937M Feb 22 23:01 1052_20120222215400.mpg <--- this is of course too small a file for 1hr at HD |
| [00:17:13] | sphery: | when did you upgrade to unstable? |
| [00:17:30] | sphery: | and did you create capture cards on unstable or were they just "upgraded" from previous version? |
| [00:18:14] | jm|laptop: | ID : 16517 (0x4085) Complete name : 1052_20120222215400.mpg Format : MPEG-TS File size : 937 MiB Duration : 19mn 59s |
| [00:18:56] | jm|laptop: | nothing in dmesg |
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| [00:25:59] | k-man: | i've been working on the mac homebrew script to build mythtv, personaly i think it has merrit as an easy way to build mythtv on OSX but ive had a few problems i can't solve to make it worp properly. do you think its something worth persuing? is there any interest in looking at that approach as an alternative to the current OSX build script? |
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| [00:29:01] | jm|laptop: | aaaaaand we're bac |
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| [00:31:09] | k-man: | was there a netsplit? |
| [00:31:37] | sphery: | jm|laptop: did you see my questions, above? |
| [00:32:11] | jm|laptop: | sphery: sorry, no. I netsplat :/ |
| [00:32:46] | jm|laptop: | feel free to report to privmsg |
| [00:32:50] | jm|laptop: | repost* |
| [00:33:47] | sphery: | jm|laptop: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2012-02-23:00:07:12 |
| [00:35:43] | jm|laptop: | oh right. I upgraded because there was a bug with BBC HD changing audio formats and it was fixed against HEAD |
| [00:36:03] | jm|laptop: | jya: was kind enough to help me test his patch |
| [00:37:15] | jm|laptop: | tbh I can't remember if/when I recreated my capture cards. I was having issues with them (Pinnacle T290e) which is why they have odd udev'd device numbers too |
| [00:37:17] | jya: | jm|laptop: If I recall properly, the issue was with AAC/LATM audio and the fix was in ffmpeg |
| [00:37:40] | Hydr0p0nX: | so uh is there a way to tell which tuner is broadcasting for live tv ? |
| [00:37:41] | jm|laptop: | jya: hello. You're surely correct. |
| [00:38:03] | sphery: | jm|laptop: well, if you have re-created your capture cards on master, you need to update to (very current) and then redo it |
| [00:38:06] | Hydr0p0nX: | my schedules show channel/program info correctly, just not live tv guide |
| [00:38:25] | jm|laptop: | sphery: thinking back, they will have been created on whatever version I'm running |
| [00:38:29] | sphery: | jm|laptop: if that doesn't help, you most likely have an issue with input groups |
| [00:38:57] | jm|laptop: | sphery: so I should remove the cards and re-add them? |
| [00:39:00] | sphery: | ok, then do Delete all capture cards (not Delete all capture cards on <hostname>), then re-create cards and re-connect inputs |
| [00:39:11] | jm|laptop: | very well. I'll do it now :) |
| [00:39:14] | sphery: | and if that doesn't help, check out input groups |
| [00:39:55] | [R]: | Hydr0p0nX: both the system info page on the frontend and the backend status page shows what tuners are active doing what |
| [00:40:49] | jya: | davide: how is the PreferFreeCardForLiveTV working precisely? |
| [00:41:02] | jya: | oops, wrong channel |
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| [00:45:37] | jm|laptop: | sphery: thanks for your help. I have re-added that cards but of course we're trying to prove a negative here so I guess we just wait :) |
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| [00:57:08] | sphery: | jm|laptop: should go ahead and verify your input groups, too |
| [00:57:23] | sphery: | should have a separate input group for each multirec set |
| [00:59:51] | wagnerrp: | hmm... tmdb just modified their support forum look |
| [00:59:53] | jm|laptop: | sphery: where might I do that, please? |
| [01:00:13] | jm|laptop: | Video Sources? |
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| [01:01:53] | jm|laptop: | ah |
| [01:02:43] | jm|laptop: | sphery: automatically they have selected input groups with the same name as te DVB devices |
| [01:02:49] | jm|laptop: | they're not both just 'Generic' : is this right? |
| [01:03:19] | jm|laptop: | Input group 2 is Generic for them both, though |
| [01:04:52] | sphery: | yes, if you have multirec, it will create a name like your dvb device name as the default name |
| [01:05:40] | jm|laptop: | so I'm good? |
| [01:15:04] | sphery: | sounds like that part is good |
| [01:15:41] | sphery: | and that's the only breakage I can think of that would cause mythtv to try to use a not-available channel on a locked tuner |
| [01:16:31] | sphery: | (other than some breakage with the HDHR, but that's more of a setting up both capture cards of the of the HDHR to use the first tuner of the HDHR) |
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| [01:18:00] | jm|laptop: | sphery: well. We'll see in good time. Thanks again. |
| [01:18:15] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [01:53:35] | MrShake_: | hey guys, I'm still having problems with recordings... I took a screenshot to maybe help |
| [01:53:57] | MrShake_: | http://s1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd377/mrs . . . tend_004.png |
| [01:54:19] | MrShake_: | and I checked, according to the "delete recordings" screen, I have 117 gig free |
| [01:55:10] | MrShake_: | 26 hours remaining according to the system status screen |
| [01:55:22] | MrShake_: | though only 5% free ram and 12% free swap |
| [01:57:09] | MrShake_: | and here is the last several hours of the backend log |
| [01:57:09] | MrShake_: | http://pastebin.com/Q45qr9zK |
| [01:57:14] | MrShake_: | anyone have any suggestions? |
| [01:58:58] | sphery: | MythTV records every showing of good shows, like Big Bang Theory |
| [01:59:04] | sphery: | ;) |
| [01:59:23] | MrShake_: | lol |
| [01:59:27] | MrShake_: | we likey Big Bang Theory |
| [01:59:37] | MrShake_: | but, as the screenshot shows... something ain't rite! |
| [02:00:17] | wagnerrp: | sphery: are you well versed on the intricacies of the unicode command line? |
| [02:00:19] | sphery: | so, that's not actually 2 showings of BBT, but is one showing + one missing file? |
| [02:00:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, not at all |
| [02:00:28] | MrShake_: | yep! |
| [02:00:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm close to figuring out the ascii command line |
| [02:00:53] | MrShake_: | the one with the X is 0.00gb |
| [02:00:54] | sphery: | MrShake_: what type of capture device? |
| [02:01:07] | MrShake_: | the one without the X is 2.25 gb |
| [02:01:13] | MrShake_: | its an HDhomerun |
| [02:01:24] | sphery: | and this is 0.24-fixes? |
| [02:01:27] | wagnerrp: | im just curious if you have any idea what a UTF-16 character would look like with a UTF-8 locale |
| [02:01:32] | MrShake_: | I believe so |
| [02:01:44] | [R]: | wagnerrp: wouldn't it be missing half the letter? |
| [02:01:45] | ** [R] snickers ** | |
| [02:02:08] | MrShake_: | how do I double check? |
| [02:02:42] | wagnerrp: | [R]: apparently it shows up as two letters |
| [02:02:52] | [R]: | that blows my mind |
| [02:02:58] | [R]: | but makes sense i suppose |
| [02:03:10] | [R]: | the difference between utf8 and uft16 is twice the bits |
| [02:03:25] | ertyu-m: | utf16 is only 16bit when it needs to, isn't it? |
| [02:03:28] | sphery: | MrShake_: please post to http://pastebin.com/ the output of: mythfrontend --version |
| [02:04:23] | skd5aner: | justinh: ?? |
| [02:04:39] | skd5aner: | justinh: oh... heh, forgot I sent something earlier :) |
| [02:05:13] | sphery: | UTF-8 uses one to four 8-bit bytes to represent a character and UTF-16 uses either one or two 16-bit code points to represent a character |
| [02:05:44] | sphery: | however, the specific values of the byte/code point indicate whether to treat the following byte/code point as part of the same character or a new character |
| [02:05:53] | MrShake_: | http://pastebin.com/E1gv1V9s |
| [02:06:00] | sphery: | so, depending on character, some would be treated as multiple and others as one and ... |
| [02:06:03] | MrShake_: | brb, need to check on my wife |
| [02:06:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: so perhaps the issue is more that were using QString::fromLocal8Bit() to pull data out of the command line |
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| [02:06:21] | wagnerrp: | which assumes the content is always going to be 8-bit |
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| [02:06:43] | wagnerrp: | while UTF-8 may not necessarily be |
| [02:06:43] | sphery: | that's possible |
| [02:06:57] | sphery: | does someone actually have a utf-16 charset specified? |
| [02:07:03] | sphery: | er, codeset |
| [02:07:21] | MrShake_: | back |
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| [02:07:32] | wagnerrp: | no, theyre passing a filename into mytharchivehelper with a UTF character |
| [02:07:45] | wagnerrp: | that based off how it gets logged back out, its a 16-bit character |
| [02:07:50] | wagnerrp: | i assumed that implied UTF-16 |
| [02:08:08] | wagnerrp: | but a UTF-8 character can be anywhere from 8–32 bits? |
| [02:08:12] | sphery: | right |
| [02:08:34] | wagnerrp: | so then its probably just an issue of the fromLocal8Bit forcing it into two characters |
| [02:09:01] | jya: | technically, not quite.. it's always 8 bits data, except that one character can be made of more than one :) |
| [02:09:47] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#Description has a nice chart showing how to determine how many bytes it uses (but UTF-8 only uses 4 bytes max) |
| [02:10:01] | jya: | so the character isn't defined as 0xxxx but being 0xXX 0xYY |
| [02:10:20] | jya: | where XX is a mode change, and there's a limited amount of those |
| [02:11:11] | MrShake_: | any benefit to grabbing the frontend log? |
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| [02:11:20] | jm|laptop: | tmdb_exceptions.py must have been installed with the MythTV python bindings. uhoh |
| [02:11:49] | wagnerrp: | jm|laptop: if you dont have the former, then you cant possibly have the latter |
| [02:12:09] | jm|laptop: | oh. |
| [02:12:10] | wagnerrp: | chances are you are missing some prereq that caused configure to prevent its inclusion |
| [02:12:24] | jm|laptop: | hm. |
| [02:12:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm not sure what fromLocal8Bit() does, specifically, but I know it does use the character encoding that Qt determines is appropriate for the system, so if the user gets the UTF-8 warning, I'm guessing it would fail about like you're saying |
| [02:13:35] | wagnerrp: | i see none in the log |
| [02:13:56] | sphery: | MrShake_: frontend log probably won't help |
| [02:14:03] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i dont recall where we stuffed that warning |
| [02:14:31] | MrShake_: | k, thanks sphery |
| [02:14:37] | sphery: | MrShake_: not sure what could cause that problem, though |
| [02:14:39] | sphery: | :( |
| [02:14:45] | MrShake_: | wagnerrp, tried to help last nite and we didn't get anywher |
| [02:14:47] | MrShake_: | where |
| [02:14:52] | sphery: | I know several have seen it, but I've never figured out what's misconfigured |
| [02:15:07] | MrShake_: | I could live with the dupes, but it ocasionally misses an episode |
| [02:15:21] | MrShake_: | often if its recording 2 shows back to back on the same channel |
| [02:15:38] | sphery: | MrShake_: how many capture cards and how many inputs and how many video sources did you configure? |
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| [02:16:56] | MrShake_: | I think 2 each |
| [02:16:59] | MrShake_: | 1 for each tuner |
| [02:17:09] | MrShake_: | shows 8 tuners listed in tuner status |
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| [02:18:33] | MrShake_: | is 8 tuners right? |
| [02:18:38] | MrShake_: | that seems like far to many |
| [02:18:42] | sphery: | MrShake_: also, can you pastebin the output of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT starttime, endtime, progstart, progend, title, subtitle FROM recorded WHERE subtitle = 'The Alien Parasite Hypothesis';" |
| [02:20:31] | MrShake_: | it doesn't like that one |
| [02:20:33] | MrShake_: | access denied |
| [02:20:47] | sphery: | did you give the right password? |
| [02:20:52] | sphery: | for the mythtv user on mysql? |
| [02:20:54] | MrShake_: | I thought so |
| [02:21:24] | sphery: | should be shown in your ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
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| [02:24:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: by the way, #10371 is also suffering that empty config.xml issue |
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| [02:25:43] | sphery: | AIUI, danielk was working on the config.xml/mysql.txt stuff |
| [02:25:46] | MrShake_: | waiting for pastebin.. hold on |
| [02:25:51] | sphery: | (at least before it got reassigned to me) |
| [02:26:16] | MrShake_: | http://pastebin.com/MswFJpCb |
| [02:27:03] | sphery: | based on http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10305 |
| [02:27:40] | sphery: | MrShake_: show many computers? |
| [02:27:53] | MrShake_: | how many computers? |
| [02:27:57] | MrShake_: | 2 |
| [02:28:05] | MrShake_: | one frontend upstairs and one down here |
| [02:28:24] | sphery: | these are normal recordings, though, not live tv? |
| [02:28:33] | MrShake_: | yea |
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| [02:28:38] | MrShake_: | that is a show we record |
| [02:29:41] | sphery: | can you do: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT starttime, endtime, progstart, progend, title, subtitle, recstatus FROM recorded WHERE subtitle = 'The Alien Parasite Hypothesis';" |
| [02:29:50] | sphery: | (added new column) |
| [02:30:07] | sphery: | oh, wait |
| [02:30:16] | MrShake_: | k |
| [02:30:16] | MrShake_: | waiting |
| [02:30:28] | MrShake_: | :) |
| [02:30:29] | sphery: | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT chanid, starttime, endtime, progstart, progend, title, subtitle, recstatus FROM recorded WHERE subtitle = 'The Alien Parasite Hypothesis';" |
| [02:30:34] | sphery: | thanks |
| [02:31:21] | MrShake_: | unknown column recstatus |
| [02:32:22] | sphery: | ok |
| [02:33:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: should we be using QString::fromUtf8 instead? |
| [02:33:45] | sphery: | MrShake_: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT chanid, starttime, title, subtitle, recstatus FROM oldrecorded WHERE subtitle = 'The Alien Parasite Hypothesis';" |
| [02:34:43] | MrShake_: | http://pastebin.com/KqhRpF74 |
| [02:34:51] | wagnerrp: | it does appear fromLocal8Bit _should_ work, since its grabbing using the QTextContext::codecForLocale |
| [02:35:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I have no idea... I assumed that fromLocal8Bit() determined the encoding specified for the underlying system and used the appropriate QString conversion (so, if you have a UTF-8 encoding specified, it would use fromUtf8(), but I haven't traced their code) |
| [02:35:18] | sphery: | right, if it's doing that, it /should/ work |
| [02:35:29] | sphery: | but that's the same problem we've been having for years with URIs and command lines and ... |
| [02:35:38] | sphery: | it seems some users know how to break it and we don't :) |
| [02:36:06] | wagnerrp: | the logs dont list that its running a 'bad' locale |
| [02:36:14] | sphery: | right |
| [02:36:22] | sphery: | but we're only checking for things we can |
| [02:36:54] | sphery: | and the check is really only trying to guess that "this config /should/ make Qt figure it out properly", but Qt could be choosing something else |
| [02:37:18] | sphery: | their code had all sorts of conditions because there's no hard-fast rule for configuring this stuff |
| [02:37:32] | sphery: | and too many distros do things differently |
| [02:37:46] | sphery: | would be nice if Qt actually told us what it's using so we could be sure |
| [02:39:50] | sphery: | MrShake_: MythTV thinks that it failed to record that show... Therefore, I'm guessing that it's related to: 2012-02–22 18:30:04.268 Updating status for "The Big Bang Theory":"The Alien Parasite Hypothesis" on cardid 1 (Tuning => Recording) |
| [02:40:23] | sphery: | MrShake_: and, specifically, that that's occurring at 4s after the show started... meaning I think you need to increase your tuning and signal timeouts in mythtv-setup |
| [02:40:25] | k-man: | i'll re-paste my question due to earlier netsplit |
| [02:40:30] | k-man: | i've been working on the mac homebrew script to build mythtv, personaly i think it has merrit as an easy way to build mythtv on OSX but ive had a few problems i can't solve to make it worp properly. do you think its something worth persuing? is there any interest in looking at that approach as an alternative to the current OSX build script? |
| [02:40:36] | sphery: | MrShake_: and if that's the case, please let me know so we know how to solve this for others |
| [02:41:08] | MrShake_: | suggestions on how much to increase it/ |
| [02:41:10] | MrShake_: | ?? |
| [02:43:12] | sphery: | MrShake_: mythtv-setup, probably under Capture Cards... select each card, then there's probably a button for advanced config or something, hit that, on that screen you should see timeouts |
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| [02:44:17] | MrShake_: | signal and tuning right? |
| [02:44:27] | MrShake_: | should i double them, or more? |
| [02:44:41] | MrShake_: | they are set at 1000 and 3000 ms now |
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| [02:46:02] | sphery: | I'd recommend 3000/5500 |
| [02:46:19] | sphery: | you need >4000 for tuning since tuning took 4s |
| [02:46:21] | MrShake_: | max recordings ok? |
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| [02:46:27] | sphery: | it's probably 2, right? |
| [02:46:27] | MrShake_: | its at 2 |
| [02:46:29] | sphery: | that's virtual tuners |
| [02:46:32] | MrShake_: | k |
| [02:46:48] | sphery: | it means that if 2 shows air on the same multiplex at the same time, you can record both |
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| [02:46:56] | sphery: | depending on your provider, that may be useless |
| [02:47:13] | sphery: | and if it's useless, you'd probably prefer setting it to 1--at which point Live TV will work the way you'd expect |
| [02:47:17] | sphery: | what provider? |
| [02:47:22] | MrShake_: | OTA |
| [02:48:27] | MrShake_: | ok, timeouts changed |
| [02:48:35] | MrShake_: | now we wait to see if the problem goes away |
| [02:48:41] | MrShake_: | I'll check back in tomorrow or friday |
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| [02:52:42] | sphery: | MrShake_: OTA in the US or? |
| [02:53:39] | sphery: | O-T-A in the U-S-A, hey! |
| [02:53:48] | sphery: | if so, you probably get almost no benefit out of multirec |
| [02:53:57] | sphery: | so if you plan to use live tv, you might want to disable it |
| [02:54:57] | sphery: | otherwise, the first person in live tv will get a tuner and can change channels, but as soon as someone else starts live tv on another frontend, both live tv users are stuck on the same multiplex (which, for OTA in the USA is basically a channel one or a couple of--IME, not too interesting--sub channels) |
| [02:55:18] | MrShake_: | OTA in the us |
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| [02:55:53] | sphery: | anyway, 2 isn't a problem, but will affect how your system behaves in live tv |
| [02:56:03] | MrShake_: | ok |
| [02:56:05] | sphery: | if you don't use live tv, it doesn't matter |
| [02:56:09] | MrShake_: | I do |
| [02:56:23] | sphery: | if you do, you may like it better without multirec |
| [02:56:24] | MrShake_: | will turning it to 1 eliminate the need to switch sources now and again? |
| [02:56:43] | sphery: | how many frontends do you have? |
| [02:56:47] | sphery: | you said 2 computers |
| [02:56:51] | sphery: | are both frontends? |
| [02:56:57] | MrShake_: | yea |
| [02:57:01] | MrShake_: | one is both back and front |
| [02:57:04] | MrShake_: | the other is front only |
| [02:57:09] | sphery: | do people watch live tv on the 2 different frontends at the same time? |
| [02:57:10] | MrShake_: | eer, master and front |
| [02:57:19] | MrShake_: | haven't yet |
| [02:57:28] | MrShake_: | but I could see it happening |
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| [02:57:40] | MrShake_: | though I intend to send the antenna signal to each tv |
| [02:57:49] | MrShake_: | so they could switch to live antenna if needed |
| [02:58:07] | sphery: | if people do and you have multirec enabled, then both live tv sessions will be locked to one mux, meaning you'd have to hit NEXTCARD (or use the menu--maybe next source or next card) to switch to a new card so you can change channels |
| [02:58:24] | sphery: | if you disable multirec, each will get their own live tv tuner |
| [02:58:34] | MrShake_: | got it |
| [02:58:40] | MrShake_: | I'll have to play around with it |
| [02:58:50] | MrShake_: | once this odd double recording is fixed |
| [02:58:55] | sphery: | yeah, there is no right answer to it |
| [02:59:00] | sphery: | which is why we can't just do the right thing |
| [02:59:10] | sphery: | yeah, hope the double recording thing is fixed |
| [02:59:20] | sphery: | (I've really wanted to know what's causing that) |
| [02:59:21] | MrShake_: | I'm tellin ya, if it were not for a major HDMI problem with windows media center, I'd have abandoned this by now |
| [02:59:22] | MrShake_: | lol |
| [02:59:26] | MrShake_: | glad I didn't |
| [02:59:32] | sphery: | hehe |
| [02:59:54] | sphery: | yeah, installation and configuration is a challenge--especially with all the low-level prerequisites and such |
| [03:00:00] | sphery: | but once you get it, it's great |
| [03:00:20] | MrShake_: | a buddy has his working good |
| [03:00:25] | MrShake_: | and he raves about it |
| [03:00:27] | sphery: | (even if it does end up being a hobby versus an appliance--and requires lots of time as you do upgrades and/or maintenance) |
| [03:01:06] | MrShake_: | I also like the extedability of mythtv better than windows |
| [03:01:29] | MrShake_: | I am crossing my fingers for netflix integration |
| [03:01:32] | sphery: | I make it a point to /never/ rave about (nor even compliment) MythTV specifically so that I don't get someone in over their head and end up bailing them out and becoming their on-call sysadmin |
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| [03:01:57] | MrShake_: | lol, there is a fine line to walk there! |
| [03:01:57] | sphery: | I've found MythTV to be too "expensive" for most people's use |
| [03:02:16] | sphery: | expensive in terms of time, at least, even if you consider the huge hardware costs irrelevant |
| [03:02:19] | MrShake_: | I've found the oppisite... once you factor in the cost of winows as an OS |
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| [03:02:57] | MrShake_: | and, from the point I decided to try this to the point I watched my first program... it was pretty painless |
| [03:03:08] | MrShake_: | it wasn't until I started to stretch my legs a bit did I run into problems |
| [03:03:33] | MrShake_: | but on that note, its getting late and we still have some crap to take care of before crawling into bed |
| [03:03:36] | MrShake_: | thanks for your help!! |
| [03:03:40] | MrShake_: | I'll let you know how it goes |
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| [03:04:40] | ** wagnerrp is depressed in finding hes missing 10 minutes of a Good Guys episode ** | |
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| [03:05:37] | [R]: | wagnerrp: it's only tv... |
| [03:05:53] | ** wagnerrp is further depressed to find it never made it to bluray ** | |
| [03:06:01] | k-man: | anyone tried mythtv with qt 4.8 under mac OSX? |
| [03:07:09] | ** wagnerrp descends into melancholy upon finding there isnt even a DVD ** | |
| [03:07:26] | k-man: | wagnerrp, youtube maybe? |
| [03:07:53] | wagnerrp: | what good would that do? |
| [03:08:15] | k-man: | you could watch it maybe? |
| [03:08:20] | wagnerrp: | even if it was on there legitimately, and i was allowed to download it legitimately |
| [03:08:25] | wagnerrp: | it still looks like crap |
| [03:09:56] | k-man: | true |
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| [03:12:22] | [R]: | wagnerrp: its on The Netflix... |
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| [03:13:24] | wagnerrp: | streaming, sure |
| [03:13:30] | wagnerrp: | what good does that do me? |
| [03:13:36] | wagnerrp: | i still cant keep it |
| [03:14:40] | [R]: | but you can strteam it whenver you watn |
| [03:15:37] | wagnerrp: | i could stream it from my backend to my frontend, and not concern myself with internet use if they let me download it |
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| [03:41:28] | k-man: | wagnerrp, err.. this doesn't help at all, but this Oatmeal comic describes your predicament |
| [03:41:31] | k-man: | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones |
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| [03:51:54] | wagnerrp: | pretty close |
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| [03:59:30] | wagnerrp: | hah... looks like someone was having a bit of fun... http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/good_guys0113.jpg |
| [04:04:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | nice |
| [04:05:10] | ** wagnerrp is pointing at the calculator on the desk, if anyone is wondering ** | |
| [04:07:03] | jya: | ooboobless? |
| [04:07:33] | wagnerrp: | thats gradeschool fun right there |
| [04:08:36] | jya: | In France we had this: 11794591 * 3 = 35383773 |
| [04:09:25] | jya: | which was told with the story" one 17 girl, living in the 94th, takes 59 minutes to go see 1 guy, on her way back , she takes 3 times as long |
| [04:09:28] | wagnerrp: | kind of loses its humor when you dont speak french :) |
| [04:09:57] | jya: | ELLEBESE <- she fucks improperly spelled |
| [04:10:20] | jya: | I think I was 12 last I heard about it :) |
| [04:12:07] | jya: | I guess gradeshool humour is the same all over the world... |
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| [04:22:36] | cesman: | there is a lot that is the same the world over, pity there are a lot of people that don't realize that :/ |
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| [04:31:41] | wagnerrp: | in soviet russia, the calculators turn you upside down |
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| [04:42:50] | wagnerrp: | i know why that show got cancelled |
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| [04:43:08] | wagnerrp: | they blew their budget licensing all these songs |
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| [04:51:05] | bcgrown: | aloha |
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| [04:53:04] | bcgrown: | anyone here? |
| [04:53:34] | wagnerrp: | about 167 of us |
| [04:55:16] | bcgrown: | awfully quiet for 167 nerds :) managed to get my cable box firewire working-- it was shockingly easy. however it won't tune any of the SD channels-- HD only. ever seen that? |
| [04:56:03] | [R]: | you call us names... and expect to get help? |
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| [04:56:36] | bcgrown: | [R], i was including myself... |
| [04:57:06] | [R]: | and? |
| [04:57:13] | wagnerrp: | so there were 168 people in here when you said that |
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| [04:57:20] | wagnerrp: | who were you singling out as not a nerd? |
| [04:57:34] | bcgrown: | geez I didn't know you nerds were so sensitive :P |
| [04:57:56] | bcgrown: | how about ChanServ be the non-nerd? |
| [04:58:19] | wagnerrp: | who is more nerdy than a computer program? |
| [05:01:20] | bcgrown: | computer programs don't qualify for that classification, unless they are sentient. I'm fairly sure ChanServ is not. |
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| [05:43:31] | wagnerrp: | a sandwich without meat isnt a sandwich, its just lonely bread |
| [05:44:07] | [R]: | in high school |
| [05:44:15] | [R]: | i used to eat swiss chesse sandwitches |
| [05:44:22] | [R]: | if it wasn't a sandwich, what was it? |
| [05:44:27] | Beirdo: | what about PB&J |
| [05:44:33] | wagnerrp: | lonely bread |
| [05:44:46] | jya: | what's -vVotsriRfA ? |
| [05:45:18] | Beirdo: | removes ops and stuff |
| [05:49:26] | cesman: | wagnerrp: ungrilled cheese |
| [05:52:51] | [R]: | "After c5125787b , even though we're no longer compiling OpenGL ES |
| [05:52:51] | [R]: | support when Qt wasn't compiled to use Qt" |
| [05:52:54] | [R]: | thats an interseting accomplishment |
| [05:55:13] | wagnerrp: | so... FTL neutrinos have been debunked after someone tightened up a fiber optic cable in the equipment |
| [05:55:40] | [R]: | i saw that |
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| [06:13:06] | [R]: | First time accepted submitter Nick Fel writes "As the UK nears the end of a lengthy digital TV switch-over, the sale of the analogue TV spectrum for 4G mobile phones will disrupt digital TV in almost a million homes. Affected homes will be issued with a filter or required to upgrade to satellite or cable, and in extreme cases may be granted funding to find their own solution." |
| [06:13:20] | [R]: | why is it people implementing 4g ALWAYS cause interference? |
| [06:13:55] | wagnerrp: | seriously, they've only got the 6 channels |
| [06:14:25] | wagnerrp: | and at 8MHz each, thats not even 50MHz of spectrum they need to deal with |
| [06:15:03] | wagnerrp: | all that space below the 800MHz LTE and they cant map out enough for all the regional transmitters? |
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| [06:16:17] | ertyu-m: | because they probably allocated 400MHz to hold that 50MHz |
| [06:19:05] | [R]: | im watching stargate atlantis and he said "remember, short and steady bursts" |
| [06:19:23] | wagnerrp: | thats what he said? |
| [06:19:25] | [R]: | HAHA |
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| [06:20:57] | firl: | Anyone on that might be able to help me with a stuck recording problem? I constantly get them and have to restart my mythbackend |
| [06:21:13] | wagnerrp: | stuck recording? |
| [06:21:16] | firl: | yeah |
| [06:21:22] | firl: | in upcoming recordings it shows up |
| [06:21:28] | firl: | have to restart mythbackend |
| [06:21:48] | wagnerrp: | shows up as currently recording, and wont ever stop? |
| [06:21:49] | firl: | however the shows I want it to record don't get recorded so it becomes a problem |
| [06:21:52] | firl: | ya |
| [06:22:36] | wagnerrp: | the only time ive ever heard of such happening is when using live tv, and abruptly terminating the frontend |
| [06:22:52] | wagnerrp: | there was an issue in an old version where the disconnect never cleaned up the session |
| [06:23:01] | wagnerrp: | leaving the tuner irrecoverably in use |
| [06:23:08] | wagnerrp: | what version are you running |
| [06:23:15] | firl: | .24 |
| [06:23:21] | firl: | mac |
| [06:24:07] | firl: | http://pastebin.com/dHNfTvSr |
| [06:24:23] | firl: | I have 4 tuners, hdhomeruns |
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| [06:25:33] | wagnerrp: | this is a backend running on OSX? |
| [06:25:37] | firl: | yep |
| [06:25:41] | firl: | everything on osx |
| [06:25:45] | firl: | mysql, mythweb |
| [06:25:46] | [R]: | my friend is trying and failing at that |
| [06:26:11] | firl: | been working great, but ever since like 100 + recordings it started having issues |
| [06:27:04] | firl: | I use xbmc's mythtv plugin to connect to it, which i suppose could cause that problem you were stating earlier |
| [06:27:40] | wagnerrp: | xbmc's mythbox was known to commonly cause the issue i described above |
| [06:27:59] | wagnerrp: | but i had thought the backend was fixed to prevent that from happening |
| [06:28:42] | firl: | Maybe the mac version still has that bug? |
| [06:29:46] | wagnerrp: | its the same version |
| [06:30:28] | firl: | I suppose I could whip up a linux vm to become the backend and have the database stay on the mac os x host |
| [06:30:44] | [R]: | oh yeah, tahts a good idea... |
| [06:31:10] | wagnerrp: | better to just get a newer version of mythtv |
| [06:31:12] | firl: | it only has to translate from the hdhomerun to the disk ( as a mythbackend) |
| [06:31:17] | wagnerrp: | specifically, what are you using? |
| [06:31:21] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend --version |
| [06:31:53] | firl: | http://pastebin.com/dHNfTvSr |
| [06:31:56] | firl: | bleh |
| [06:31:56] | firl: | 1s |
| [06:32:05] | firl: | v0.24.2-216-g247c4f1-dirty |
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| [06:32:29] | wagnerrp: | yeah... thats not a real verson |
| [06:32:33] | wagnerrp: | but should be close enough |
| [06:32:37] | firl: | hah |
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| [06:33:13] | firl: | do you know how intensive the backend is? if i just put up a skinny linux vm |
| [06:33:21] | wagnerrp: | basically, its saying thats the 216th commit since the 0.24.2 tag |
| [06:33:29] | wagnerrp: | but that tag was only about a month ago |
| [06:33:39] | wagnerrp: | and weve had maybe 20 commits against it since then |
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| [06:33:56] | firl: | yeah I just pulled it off the site that the wiki had described |
| [06:34:18] | wagnerrp: | you can test it, but running natively on OSX versus in a linux VM should make no difference with respect to your issue |
| [06:34:26] | firl: | ok |
| [06:34:29] | wagnerrp: | besides the inefficiencies of needlessly running a VM |
| [06:34:53] | wagnerrp: | so this was just built using the OSX script in the packaging repository? |
| [06:34:55] | firl: | I just wasn't sure how "supported" / realistic it is to run a mac os backend |
| [06:35:20] | firl: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Mac_OS_X . . . lt_Downloads |
| [06:35:30] | firl: | I am not afraid to compile from source though |
| [06:35:34] | wagnerrp: | it should work fine, but i dont know how much actual use that mode gets |
| [06:35:42] | firl: | that mode? |
| [06:36:19] | wagnerrp: | jya: you use mythtv on OSX, have you ever noticed it producing improper version strings? |
| [06:36:42] | jya: | wagnerrp: what do you mean? the value you get when you do --version ? |
| [06:36:46] | wagnerrp: | firl: anyway, thats no more than a month old, and the issue im think of was fixed like a year or two ago |
| [06:36:52] | firl: | lol k |
| [06:36:55] | jya: | I can't say I notice, I only use it for playing recordings and testing the audio code |
| [06:36:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, see the string firl listed above |
| [06:37:10] | wagnerrp: | about 5 minutes back |
| [06:37:19] | jya: | let me search |
| [06:37:26] | firl: | v0.24.2-216-g247c4f1-dirty |
| [06:37:29] | jya: | ah that ? |
| [06:37:34] | jya: | you know how I personally do it ? |
| [06:37:38] | firl: | how's that |
| [06:37:40] | jya: | git log |
| [06:37:43] | jya: | copy/paste |
| [06:37:45] | jya: | write it |
| [06:37:49] | jya: | in the filename that is |
| [06:38:04] | wagnerrp: | hang on, that does say 216 |
| [06:38:05] | firl: | so you build from source, you don't use the pre built downloads? |
| [06:38:08] | jya: | I haven't looked into the log.. will do next time |
| [06:38:10] | wagnerrp: | that cant be right.... |
| [06:38:23] | jya: | firl: there are no pre-built version of master |
| [06:38:29] | jya: | the one on the wiki, I did those |
| [06:38:37] | jya: | ahhh |
| [06:38:44] | jya: | I see what the problem could be |
| [06:38:49] | firl: | so if I wanted to master I would have to build from source to get the backend? |
| [06:38:52] | jya: | macosx sourceforge use my branch |
| [06:39:04] | jya: | so the commit has nothing to do with fixes/0.24 |
| [06:39:11] | wagnerrp: | current fixes is v0.24.2–15 |
| [06:39:15] | jya: | audio is fundamentally not working in 0.24 |
| [06:39:19] | jya: | on mac that is |
| [06:39:26] | firl: | I don't use mythfrontend |
| [06:39:29] | jya: | or more accurately, digital audio |
| [06:39:34] | firl: | ah |
| [06:39:34] | wagnerrp: | oh, so is this in your backports branch? |
| [06:39:54] | firl: | 2012-02–22 20:34:07.809 AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error |
| [06:39:55] | firl: | 2012-02–22 20:34:07.860 [ac3 @ 0x8b8f5680]frame sync error |
| [06:39:57] | firl: | you talking about that? |
| [06:41:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, looks like it |
| [06:41:20] | wagnerrp: | that would explain why there are an extra 200 commits not in the normal branch |
| [06:41:38] | firl: | gotcha, so should I git clone master and run the backend? |
| [06:41:42] | firl: | err build it |
| [06:41:58] | wagnerrp: | master != 0.24 |
| [06:42:20] | firl: | I was just thinking .25-pre |
| [06:42:37] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [06:42:50] | firl: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Building_MythTV_on_Mac_OS_X |
| [06:42:56] | wagnerrp: | do understand thats an irreversible step |
| [06:42:56] | jya: | wagnerrp: yes it is.. I think they started using it after I made a big rewrite of the mac audio code.. and it was too invasive to backport to fixes/0.24 (that and I couldn't be bothered) |
| [06:43:13] | wagnerrp: | you can upgrade the schema, but you cannot downgrade |
| [06:43:14] | firl: | eh, I can make a backup if I need |
| [06:43:22] | firl: | yeah I work in software development |
| [06:43:23] | wagnerrp: | the only way back is recovering from the database backup |
| [06:43:32] | wagnerrp: | which means you lose all your recordings made in the meantime |
| [06:43:34] | firl: | every file is transcoded to h264 already |
| [06:43:42] | firl: | and already cataloged in the name |
| [06:44:05] | wagnerrp: | moved to mythvideo and cataloged? |
| [06:44:11] | firl: | ya |
| [06:44:13] | jya: | firl: that error wihtout context I couldn't say |
| [06:44:16] | firl: | my own system of sorts |
| [06:44:28] | wagnerrp: | ok, its considered bad practice to rename recordings |
| [06:44:30] | firl: | I have a program called "Air Video Server" |
| [06:44:33] | jya: | I doubt there has been much change to the AC3 decoding code in ffmpeg in years |
| [06:44:37] | firl: | oh yeah? |
| [06:44:37] | wagnerrp: | which is why mythrename.pl was replaced by mythlink.pl |
| [06:44:45] | jya: | so it's more likely an issue in your video itself |
| [06:44:48] | jya: | corrupted crap |
| [06:44:52] | firl: | gotcha |
| [06:45:16] | firl: | I just renamed the video after transcoding, deleted original, remapped in the database |
| [06:45:24] | firl: | and that part's been working like a charm |
| [06:46:33] | firl: | then again maybe not if it's causing this other issue |
| [06:47:43] | wagnerrp: | remapped it... in the recorded table, or in the videometadata table? |
| [06:47:59] | firl: | recorded |
| [06:48:42] | firl: | but if there is a better solution to create symbolic links I don't mind doing that; just annoying at times when other systems like plex work off of the file name |
| [06:48:42] | firl: | \ |
| [06:49:23] | wagnerrp: | mythlink.pl will create symbolic links to another path, using a formatting string you specify |
| [06:49:34] | wagnerrp: | you can either run it periodically through cron |
| [06:49:41] | firl: | or as a part of a user job I assume |
| [06:49:43] | wagnerrp: | or on specific recordings through the jobqueue or system events |
| [06:49:48] | firl: | ya |
| [06:49:57] | firl: | I will change it to do that then |
| [06:49:59] | wagnerrp: | although if you do that, it will only create links |
| [06:50:04] | firl: | yeah |
| [06:50:17] | wagnerrp: | you will still want to run it normally once a day or two to clear out dead symlinks |
| [06:50:40] | firl: | yeah I don't mind setting up a cron for clearing them |
| [06:50:44] | wagnerrp: | also, you can run it multiple times, for different formatting strings, allowing sorting in different ways |
| [06:51:14] | firl: | hrmm ok I will have to try to leverage that |
| [06:51:45] | wagnerrp: | (and the strings can contain '/', for subfolders) |
| [06:52:30] | firl: | does it connect with tvdb by any chance? |
| [06:53:07] | wagnerrp: | no, it only operates based off the information in the database |
| [06:53:27] | wagnerrp: | however in 0.25, you can supplement the database with information pulled from thetvdb |
| [06:54:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: speaking of which, would be worth updating mythlink.pl for season/episode/inetref |
| [06:54:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you mean mythlink.py? |
| [06:54:25] | sphery: | ;D |
| [06:54:30] | firl: | python perl same thing |
| [06:54:48] | wagnerrp: | cant do it in python |
| [06:54:57] | wagnerrp: | since that stuff is in the bindings, and were past feature freeze |
| [06:54:58] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [06:55:09] | sphery: | then can't do it in perl, either, right? |
| [06:55:14] | firl: | hah |
| [06:55:25] | sphery: | unless someone added season/episode/... to perl bindings? |
| [06:55:41] | wagnerrp: | i thought that stuff was directly in mythlink.pl, not the perl bindings |
| [06:55:51] | firl: | what's the easiest way to suggest a patch for https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/OSX/build&nbs p;? |
| [06:56:02] | sphery: | no, all the name translation is in MythTV.pm |
| [06:56:06] | sphery: | (which is bindigns) |
| [06:56:43] | sphery: | firl: suggest as in, "Here, I've written this patch that fixes this problem," or suggest as in "I really wish someone else could write a patch to..." |
| [06:56:56] | firl: | the first |
| [06:57:10] | sphery: | ah, then just file a new ticket on http://code.mythtv.org/ |
| [06:57:11] | firl: | one of the urls in the packaging scripts is a 404 so I had to remap it |
| [06:57:17] | firl: | with the patch file? |
| [06:57:21] | sphery: | yeah |
| [06:57:28] | firl: | kk |
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| [06:57:33] | sphery: | or if you used git to create the patch, feel free to do a pull request |
| [06:57:39] | sphery: | then reference that pull request in the ticket |
| [06:57:53] | firl: | k |
| [06:57:55] | sphery: | if you're uploading a patch, you create the ticket first, then you attach the patch as a file |
| [06:57:59] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo has some info |
| [06:58:08] | sphery: | though we need to add more info on pull requests |
| [06:58:39] | sphery: | maybe I can convince Beirdo to do that (since he understand pull requests and how to create them at github/with git/... better than I) |
| [06:58:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:58:57] | sphery: | speak of the Beirdo |
| [06:58:58] | Beirdo: | remind me tomorrow :) |
| [06:59:12] | sphery: | thx |
| [06:59:17] | firl: | yeah I will look up the pull request now since I think the script clones a git repo |
| [06:59:28] | sphery: | I'm happy to help with prose, but need help with the procedure |
| [06:59:58] | sphery: | firl: sounds like if you want to wait 'til tomorrow, there may be nice instructions :) |
| [07:00:16] | firl: | eh, patch file is easier since you have to fork the tree |
| [07:00:24] | firl: | http://help.github.com/send-pull-requests/ |
| [07:00:26] | sphery: | ahhh, wow |
| [07:00:28] | firl: | pretty straight forward |
| [07:00:45] | sphery: | wonder whether the git email stuff is usable... I know Beirdo would know |
| [07:01:15] | firl: | oh and my mac is snow leopard if that makes a lick of difference |
| [07:01:46] | sphery: | though if that's just sending an e-mail, it wouldn't be too usable unless we had some mailing list for patches (and, ideally, a way to ensure the emails ref a ticket...) |
| [07:02:10] | wagnerrp: | is that 10.7 or 10.8 or whatever the latest version is? |
| [07:02:20] | firl: | 10.7.2 |
| [07:02:28] | wagnerrp: | i know there are some issues with mythtv on the latest OSX release |
| [07:02:33] | Beirdo: | if you want to use git format-patch, it does make it simpler |
| [07:02:34] | firl: | 10.8 is mountain lion I believe with signed app's |
| [07:02:44] | wagnerrp: | although i was under the impression you couldnt even compile it |
| [07:03:01] | firl: | I patched the installer script, it's compiling now |
| [07:03:18] | firl: | can see where it dies |
| [07:03:51] | firl: | I might have to force it to switch mac os versions for the target sdk |
| [07:04:57] | sphery: | Beirdo: I'm starting to imagine a mailing list for git send-email patches... and some filter on the mail server that parses subject and/or body for ticket references and then uploads to the appropriate ticket... |
| [07:05:14] | sphery: | though I'm guessing that would only be really useful to people who submit a /lot/ of patches |
| [07:05:27] | Beirdo: | it could be useful :) |
| [07:06:08] | ** wagnerrp feels like hes being volunteered for something ** | |
| [07:06:20] | sphery: | hehe |
| [07:06:28] | sphery: | this is my MO |
| [07:09:55] | firl: | yeah looks like it's not ready for snow leopard compiliations |
| [07:12:24] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [07:12:36] | Beirdo: | our buildbot has a snow-leopard slave |
| [07:12:45] | firl: | oh yeah? |
| [07:12:52] | firl: | for master? |
| [07:13:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [07:13:06] | firl: | hrmm |
| [07:13:07] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was one version back |
| [07:13:16] | Beirdo: | now, lion, yer screwed, currently |
| [07:13:29] | firl: | ah yeah My mistake |
| [07:13:38] | firl: | I said snow leopard when I meant to say Lion |
| [07:13:45] | Beirdo: | the build's master-osx-snow-leopard |
| [07:13:48] | Beirdo: | right |
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| [07:14:01] | Beirdo: | I think several people are chipping away at Lion |
| [07:14:35] | Beirdo: | whether or not it will be compilable for Lion by 0.25 release, dunno |
| [07:14:52] | firl: | I hear ya |
| [07:15:02] | firl: | is there a place to get a dmg or a package drop from the snow leopard build for mythbackend of .25? |
| [07:15:06] | firl: | because I couldn't find one |
| [07:15:18] | Beirdo: | not that I know of |
| [07:15:31] | Beirdo: | we don't distribute builds. Someone else out there might though |
| [07:15:51] | firl: | yeah I don't have any spare leopards around |
| [07:16:01] | Beirdo: | and 0.25 isn't released yet. Soon |
| [07:16:31] | firl: | yeah I know there is a way in at least cmake to change the target SDK and build for snow leopard on lion |
| [07:17:12] | Beirdo: | what I want is a way to cross-compile for OSX from Linux |
| [07:17:22] | firl: | lol tell me about it |
| [07:17:35] | firl: | I run a hudson server at my job too |
| [07:17:42] | Beirdo: | which reminds me... should look at making a windows cross-compile slave |
| [07:19:22] | sphery: | Just wait until 10.8 is out and everyone has Gatekeeper, and Apple wants to take 30% off the top of the MythTV license charge |
| [07:19:27] | firl: | lol |
| [07:19:36] | firl: | you are supposed to be able to disable the required signing |
| [07:19:55] | wagnerrp: | so then its not required? |
| [07:20:04] | firl: | the user has to disable it I believe |
| [07:20:39] | ** wagnerrp wonders when the walled garden will stop expanding ** | |
| [07:21:47] | firl: | so from what I've gathered from wagnerrp and others is that I shouldn't be seeing this problem with the version; however the mac version has audio issues; and that it is preferred to use the linux version in general? |
| [07:22:06] | sphery: | yeah, defaults to turned on, but you can set it to "Allow applications downloaded from:" "- Mac App Store", "- Mac App Store and identified developers", "- Anywhere" |
| [07:22:55] | wagnerrp: | firl: just to clarify, is this livetv that is not terminating, or scheduled recordings? |
| [07:23:10] | firl: | a scheduled recording says it starts |
| [07:23:31] | wagnerrp: | ive never seen any such problem occur with a scheduled recording |
| [07:23:37] | firl: | then gets into a weird state, and on myth web shows up as perma stuck |
| [07:24:00] | wagnerrp: | does the backend status page actually show that tuner as in use? |
| [07:25:08] | firl: | http://imagebin.org/200339 |
| [07:25:11] | firl: | no it's not in use |
| [07:25:28] | firl: | as soon as I restart mythbackend it's cleared out |
| [07:25:35] | firl: | however my scheduled recording never got recorded |
| [07:25:57] | wagnerrp: | when is the last time youve restarted your HDHRs? |
| [07:26:08] | firl: | last week maybe |
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| [07:26:23] | wagnerrp: | the older models had an issue with finicky power supplies |
| [07:26:29] | wagnerrp: | and could develop issues after a couple months |
| [07:26:32] | firl: | I have 1 older model and 1 new model |
| [07:26:43] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know of anyone whos reported issues after just a week |
| [07:26:47] | firl: | let me see which version was on the scheduled recorded tuner |
| [07:27:49] | firl: | yeah it was on the 2nd tuner of the older hardware |
| [07:29:14] | firl: | maybe I should stagger the tuners so it alternates between the devices |
| [07:29:27] | firl: | I also when adding had to change the recording options to only allow for 1 device |
| [07:30:13] | firl: | because for some reason it chokes when it tries to record on a different transport |
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| [07:33:51] | wagnerrp: | one simultaneous recording per physical tuner? |
| [07:33:58] | wagnerrp: | or one physical tuner per box? |
| [07:34:03] | firl: | the first |
| [07:34:16] | wagnerrp: | there was previously an issue with the drivers |
| [07:34:18] | firl: | I can record up to 4 shows at once with 2 boxes |
| [07:34:29] | wagnerrp: | where if you defined your HDHRs using the IP address, rather than the autodetection code |
| [07:34:36] | wagnerrp: | it would only be able to access the first tuner |
| [07:34:54] | wagnerrp: | even if mythtv thought it was accessing the second, it would still do things to the first |
| [07:35:00] | firl: | ah ok |
| [07:35:04] | wagnerrp: | and if you were otherwise recording on the first, bad things would happen |
| [07:35:15] | firl: | I will try it again |
| [07:35:17] | wagnerrp: | but that should be fixed in 0.24.2 |
| [07:35:28] | firl: | which is in my version right? |
| [07:36:02] | wagnerrp: | youre running the backports branch |
| [07:36:24] | firl: | how do I run the appropriate version then? |
| [07:36:25] | wagnerrp: | if all had gone right with git, the fixes should gotten picked up during the merge from upstream |
| [07:37:00] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt be able to say for sure without actually diffing the libraries between the two |
| [07:37:09] | firl: | alright |
| [07:37:24] | firl: | well with 4 tuners I don't find myself needing to watch anything on the same multiplex in all honest |
| [07:37:26] | firl: | y |
| [07:38:40] | wagnerrp: | the issue im talking about means you would only be able to use two of those four tuners |
| [07:38:49] | firl: | ah |
| [07:38:53] | firl: | when I had 1 box |
| [07:39:01] | firl: | and i was recording something |
| [07:39:03] | wagnerrp: | quick check, are you defining those devices with IPs or serial numbers? |
| [07:39:09] | firl: | serial numbers now |
| [07:39:17] | wagnerrp: | if youre using the latter, then there was never any issu |
| [07:39:19] | firl: | because I read somewhere there was an issue if you did it by IP |
| [07:39:23] | firl: | ya |
| [07:39:32] | firl: | what would happen was |
| [07:39:39] | firl: | Tuner0 would record via schedule |
| [07:39:44] | firl: | and I would try to tune to live tv |
| [07:40:01] | firl: | and I couldn't go to anything besides the alternate channel on the same channel of the scheduled recording |
| [07:40:26] | firl: | when i took the devices down to only 1 recording option It worked fine |
| [07:40:32] | wagnerrp: | thats normal behavior |
| [07:40:38] | wagnerrp: | livetv takes the first available tuner |
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| [07:40:49] | firl: | so example |
| [07:40:50] | wagnerrp: | which is actually a virtual tuner on the first physical tuner |
| [07:41:09] | firl: | recording show on tuner0 ( virtual first ) would be on 14_1 |
| [07:41:13] | wagnerrp: | when you removed the virtual tuner, then now the next available tuner was a physical one |
| [07:41:18] | firl: | ya |
| [07:41:30] | firl: | for live tv I was stuck to anything on 14_x |
| [07:41:40] | firl: | even though I wanted to watch something on 19 |
| [07:42:05] | wagnerrp: | expected behavior |
| [07:42:19] | firl: | to not allow the fronted to tune to a channel I wanted to? |
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| [07:42:39] | wagnerrp: | to only allow the frontend to tune channels that were currently available to your current tuner |
| [07:42:51] | sphery: | firl: "it will get better with 0.25, when released"? |
| [07:42:56] | firl: | haha |
| [07:42:56] | wagnerrp: | since you were already recording with that tuner, the available channels were those on the same multiplex as the recording |
| [07:43:08] | firl: | $80 and i had 2 more tuners |
| [07:43:11] | firl: | so it was a non issue |
| [07:43:46] | wagnerrp: | you could have told mythtv to switch to a new tuner, defaulting to 'c' i believe |
| [07:43:50] | sphery: | IMHO, that $80 is a good investment... as using multirec to pretend you have more tuners than you need causes issues when you need more tuners than you really have |
| [07:44:10] | wagnerrp: | or there is an option to tell mythtv to to avoid conflicts with recordings |
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| [07:44:17] | sphery: | there is no key bound to NEXTCARD, so you'd actually have to bind one |
| [07:44:23] | wagnerrp: | at which point it would have pulled a tuner for livetv from the end of the list |
| [07:44:29] | firl: | yeah sphere it was |
| [07:44:35] | firl: | had no problem buying it |
| [07:44:37] | wagnerrp: | which unless you were otherwise recording with all your physical tuners |
| [07:44:41] | wagnerrp: | would have selected a free one |
| [07:44:58] | firl: | if I changed the order in the database it would work |
| [07:45:06] | firl: | but it was just easier to buy the physical hardware |
| [07:45:53] | firl: | well i just re added the cards in staggering order between physical hardware |
| [07:45:58] | sphery: | so, no default binding for NEXTCARD, but NEXTSOURCE = Y and PREVSOURCE = Ctrl+Y, but, TTBOMK, when using the keys to change source, it doesn't change anything if you only have one video source |
| [07:45:59] | firl: | will see if I get any more stuck recordings |
| [07:46:35] | sphery: | i.e. it's changing from "My antenna connection" to "My cable TV connection", so if you only have one video source, nothing changes |
| [07:47:03] | firl: | yeah I only have 1 connection because I didn't know how to merge channels between broadcast and cable |
| [07:47:03] | sphery: | NEXTINPUT = C, and, TTBOMK, when using the keys to change input, it doesn't change anything if the current card has only one connected input |
| [07:47:31] | sphery: | so, it's trying to change from S-Video to Tuner on the PVR-150, but if you only have S-Video connected on the PVR-150, it doesn't change anything |
| [07:47:50] | sphery: | that said, anyone can bind a key to NEXTCARD... |
| [07:48:20] | sphery: | or, you can use MENU|<something about changing source or input>, which actually do change to the next card even if you have only one source or one input |
| [07:48:33] | sphery: | consistency is the key to a good user experience |
| [07:48:52] | firl: | sadly I don't use the frontend, I use xbmc's frontend |
| [07:49:03] | firl: | so that I only have 1 app open for my parents to make it easier |
| [07:49:20] | sphery: | ah, your loss :) |
| [07:49:32] | firl: | makes it easier to get it on my appletv downstairs |
| [07:50:21] | firl: | however maybe on a raspberry pi |
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| [12:39:42] | justinh: | might make a nice cheap wireless audio client though :-) |
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| [15:13:43] | JoeyJoeJo: | I'm looking to buy a hauppage card to record OTA broadcasts. Is any one of them better for use with MythTV? |
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| [19:42:37] | ernstp: | anyone from Sweden here? Having problems with Boxer dvb-t |
| [19:43:08] | ernstp: | they changed some stuff and now I can't watch live tv. recording works however! |
| [19:44:03] | williammanda: | wagnerrp, r u in? |
| [19:44:08] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:45:10] | williammanda: | r u the one that was working on the Failed to scan video hosts error? |
| [19:45:47] | wagnerrp: | no, i was the one who caused the Failed to scan video hosts error |
| [19:45:51] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [19:46:54] | wagnerrp: | there is still an outstanding fix i need to commit with regards to case sensitivity on the hostname |
| [19:47:00] | wagnerrp: | but aside from that, it should be working |
| [19:49:31] | williammanda: | k...I was trying to better understanding when a fix is applied and when mythbuntu applies it and makes it available |
| [19:49:57] | wagnerrp: | aside from the hostname case sensitivity issue, it should be working sometime late last week |
| [19:50:49] | williammanda: | I still have the same issue...can scan for new videos |
| [19:51:03] | wagnerrp: | scanning on the frontend or backend? |
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| [19:51:25] | williammanda: | frontend |
| [19:51:36] | wagnerrp: | post your frontend logs and ill take a look |
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| [19:56:31] | williammanda: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17574275/mythfrontendlog-failedvideoscan |
| [19:58:11] | ernstp: | lol, just as I'm sitting here swearing it just starts working on it's own |
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| [20:05:51] | wagnerrp: | williammanda: yeah, i explained this issue on the mailing list |
| [20:06:04] | wagnerrp: | its the 'C2D' vs. 'c2d' issue |
| [20:06:13] | wagnerrp: | its not case insensitive |
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| [20:15:47] | williammanda: | I understand the issue....just was looking for the fix...it fixed right? |
| [20:16:20] | williammanda: | I mis-read the previous statement |
| [20:16:30] | williammanda: | it isn't fixed...sorry |
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| [20:40:50] | noisymouse: | hi, could anyone direct to where in setup is the setting for always streaming? |
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| [20:41:24] | drac_boy: | hi |
| [20:49:37] | wagnerrp: | noisymouse: i dont know if we still have that option, and honestly dont know what use it is |
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| [20:51:16] | noisymouse: | wagnerrp: it's recommended somewhere as a solution to choppy playback or somesuch. I tried it and then fixed what was actually the problem, and now it's created more of a problem than it's helping |
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| [20:52:30] | wagnerrp: | i would actually expect that to be a frontend setting |
| [20:56:05] | noisymouse: | is there a way to search through the settings or something? |
| [20:56:36] | noisymouse: | theyre saved as xml somewhere, right? |
| [20:59:53] | wagnerrp: | no, theyre saved in the database |
| [21:00:02] | wagnerrp: | everything is saved in the database |
| [21:00:14] | wagnerrp: | the only thing stored in an xml file is the information needed to locate the database |
| [21:02:21] | noisymouse: | ok, well I'm almost certain that I have the stream setting enabled, but I can't find where to disable it |
| [21:03:15] | sphery: | noisymouse: there is no setting... if you want it to stream from the backend, don't mount the file system locally on the frontend (or, at least, mount it at a different location) |
| [21:03:35] | noisymouse: | hmm |
| [21:03:43] | sphery: | if you want it to use "local" files without the backend involvement, use NFS or CIFS to mount file systems on the frontend at the same location as on the backend |
| [21:04:11] | sphery: | is there a reason you want it mounted locally but don't want to use the local mount? |
| [21:04:41] | noisymouse: | I just want the default behavior--I remember changing _something_ a while back |
| [21:05:08] | noisymouse: | but now when I try to fastforward/rewind, I get these annoying "streaming... streaming..." messages |
| [21:05:47] | sphery: | noisymouse: when did you set up your system? |
| [21:06:01] | sphery: | (like what mythtv version) |
| [21:06:28] | noisymouse: | it is .24 |
| [21:06:48] | sphery: | but when you set it up was it 0.24 |
| [21:06:56] | noisymouse: | yes |
| [21:07:10] | sphery: | the setting was removed before 0.24, so you couldn't have set it on 0.24 |
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| [21:07:32] | noisymouse: | maybe the message is just "searching..." |
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| [21:07:52] | noisymouse: | I might be thinking of a previous version (I re-configured everything when I upgraded) |
| [21:09:48] | sphery: | it could be a streaming message if you don't have the file system mounted on the frontend or if it's mounted in a different location than on the backend |
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| [21:10:20] | sphery: | if you'd like to pastebin logs, I can take a look and see if it looks familiar |
| [21:10:59] | noisymouse: | well will it show "searching" if it's accessing a recording locally? |
| [21:11:14] | sphery: | still has to search through the directories to find the file |
| [21:11:28] | sphery: | but I'd have to see the actual log to guess what's happening |
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| [21:26:59] | trumee: | J-e-f-f-A, mceusb remote doesn't wake my antec fusion. only rm200 remote does. |
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| [21:59:58] | drac_boy: | anyone ever gotten anything except form emails from the tech support for pioneer and toshiba? |
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| [22:15:33] | drac_boy: | hm guess not |
| [22:19:33] | ** stuartm hasn't ever gotten form emails from them ** | |
| [22:20:15] | stuartm: | not to mean I've got non-form emails ... |
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