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| [00:03:32] | sid3windr: | the tool is probably called just "scan", sometimes "dvbscan" |
| [00:03:37] | sid3windr: | if that helps |
| [00:04:09] | roknir: | ah, i see. looks like it's part of dvb-apps, which i didn't have installed yet. thanks. |
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| [00:09:10] | orange__: | can or will mythtv run on the raspberry pi |
| [00:09:40] | Beirdo: | compile it and find out |
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| [00:12:09] | [R]: | lol |
| [00:12:19] | [R]: | or, read the mailing lists |
| [00:12:39] | [R]: | the pi is nothing mroe than a little toy |
| [00:20:22] | Seeker`: | an interesting toy. If it had a few more codecs licenced it would be even more interesting. |
| [00:20:58] | [R]: | from wagnerrp's grimm picture, the cpu is pretty awful |
| [00:21:23] | Seeker`: | yes, hence 'a few more codecs' |
| [00:21:41] | Seeker`: | do'nt need a decent CPU if an onboard decoder does all of the heavy lifting |
| [00:22:49] | [R]: | yes, but that just handles the video decoding |
| [00:22:57] | [R]: | you need a little more than that for anything that doesn't suck |
| [00:23:29] | Seeker`: | such as? |
| [00:23:37] | [R]: | fantastic UIs |
| [00:23:51] | [R]: | featurse up the yingyang |
| [00:24:08] | [R]: | i have a like lititle box that odes every codec |
| [00:24:11] | [R]: | and it SUCKS big time |
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| [00:25:12] | drac_boy: | hi |
| [00:26:47] | Seeker`: | [R]: dont think there is much that you can do in the UI on mythtv atm which isn't possible to do on low-power devices |
| [00:27:33] | [R]: | ram |
| [00:27:35] | [R]: | you need lots of ram |
| [00:27:49] | [R]: | and a cpu that doesnt suck |
| [00:30:01] | Seeker`: | [R]: Take out transparency, fading, don't use a lot of high-res images in building the UI and I can't think of anything that takes any real processing power at all for a frontend |
| [00:30:11] | drac_boy: | seeker` well if you use specialized chips I don't see how it could not plausibly work. then again that reminds me of the earlier tivo hardware which was only a 486 cpu coupled to a video dsp |
| [00:30:20] | [R]: | didn't i say "fantastic ui" |
| [00:30:21] | [R]: | like i asid |
| [00:30:23] | drac_boy: | or that....redo the frontend |
| [00:30:26] | [R]: | that peice of gargbage box i have |
| [00:30:28] | [R]: | does every codec |
| [00:30:33] | [R]: | and can stream from any interfacde known to man |
| [00:30:38] | [R]: | doesnt mean its the best thing since sliced bread |
| [00:30:46] | Seeker`: | [R]: Mythtv doesn't have a 'fantasic ui' at the moment |
| [00:30:51] | [R]: | i think its great |
| [00:31:22] | Seeker`: | [R]: purely because of the transparency, fading and high-res images? |
| [00:31:33] | [R]: | all of it |
| [00:31:39] | [R]: | but regardless |
| [00:31:41] | [R]: | it can't run myth |
| [00:31:43] | [R]: | so end |
| [00:34:12] | Seeker`: | [R]: it is physically capable of running some form of myth, just noone has done the software work required yet |
| [00:34:29] | [R]: | read the months of discussion on the mailing list |
| [00:34:31] | drac_boy: | seeker` I kinda came in late I guess but what hardware is this? |
| [00:34:37] | Seeker`: | drac_boy: raspberry pi |
| [00:34:40] | Seeker`: | [R]: I have |
| [00:35:34] | drac_boy: | oh |
| [00:35:50] | ** drac_boy doesn't like either that or beagle but will maybe refrain from my own lengthy comments ** | |
| [00:39:43] | wagnerrp: | drac_boy: a 486? i thought nearly the whole line of TiVos ran MIPS |
| [00:41:46] | drac_boy: | oh hm maybe been too long I don't quite remember but I did remember it was a small cpu with most of the video going through a dsp |
| [00:42:48] | wagnerrp: | the MIPS chips were surprisingly beefy |
| [00:42:58] | [R]: | that's what she said? |
| [00:43:22] | wagnerrp: | big FPUs, one of the first mainstream processors to incorporate vector units |
| [00:44:09] | wagnerrp: | SGI used them a lot on their graphics workstations, and they got a fair bit of use on consoles and other embedded devices needing graphics |
| [00:44:10] | drac_boy: | oh yeah here we go, ibm 403GX with various encoders and decoders onboard |
| [00:44:23] | drac_boy: | interestingly enough the modem was conexant as usual |
| [00:44:31] | wagnerrp: | so a PPC unit? |
| [00:45:00] | drac_boy: | for the first two generations yeah |
| [00:45:25] | drac_boy: | not finding anything else right now for the rest |
| [00:46:28] | jya: | sphery: doesn't mythweb shows the multi-rec tuner on the backend anymore |
| [00:46:39] | jya: | now it only shows the visible cards |
| [00:48:22] | drac_boy: | hmm this does make me thinking, could be fun if someone had a series 1 tivo to give away for free |
| [00:49:39] | k-man: | do nigel and stuarta frequent irc? |
| [00:51:21] | wagnerrp: | drac_boy: yeah, looks like the S1 was the only one that wasnt MIPS based |
| [00:51:39] | wagnerrp: | all the rest use Broadcom MIPS SoCs |
| [00:54:55] | jya: | hum… something is seriously broken with multirec… I have 4 video cards (physical DVB-T card). I set the maximum number of recordings to 3 per cards. |
| [00:55:31] | jya: | in mythweb it tells me I have encoder 1, 4, 7 and 10 |
| [00:56:16] | jya: | recording on multiplex 1 uses encoder 1, multiplex 2 on encoder 4, multiplex 3 on encoder 7 etc... |
| [00:56:48] | jya: | by then I can't record any more channels |
| [00:56:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: yah, you should have 16 tuners, no? ;-) |
| [00:56:59] | wagnerrp: | 12 |
| [00:57:02] | jya: | J-e-f-f-A: yes, this is what I had been seeing before |
| [00:57:10] | jya: | but now it only shows 4 encoder |
| [00:57:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah, 4x3 — hehehe... I was reading '4' multirec. ;-) |
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| [00:58:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | I tried MultiRec here in the US on ATSC, but it isn't very useful as there's nothing worth watching on the ATSC sub-channels – it's a different world with DVB though... |
| [00:58:32] | jya: | yeah, 12 cards.. now it only creates 4 cards, 1, 4, 7, 10 |
| [00:59:45] | jya: | I deleted all the cards to re-create them all |
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| [01:08:52] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: #10299 |
| [01:08:56] | Beirdo: | can that be closed? |
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| [01:09:52] | wagnerrp: | heh, feel free to close it |
| [01:10:11] | Beirdo: | K, it's the only remaining open against 0.24.2 which is closed :) |
| [01:10:17] | wagnerrp: | i was hoping to get this script done and start running updates again tonight one way or another |
| [01:10:56] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:10:58] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [01:11:19] | Beirdo: | what a pile of fun bugs are slated for 0.25 milestone |
| [01:11:30] | wagnerrp: | i was really kind of ignoring it as "we dont accept demands on trac" |
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| [01:11:46] | Beirdo: | I tried not to unassign ones that were chosen to be assigned |
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| [01:18:58] | jya: | trying to add a DVB card with multirec in mythtv-setup, i see in the log: |
| [01:18:58] | jya: | http://pastebin.com/UcjekKV3 |
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| [01:50:38] | smoothifier: | wagnerrp: i finally saw the wisdom of just putting my hard drive in a working system I have seen a few errors but things are mostly working. is there anything i should be aware of? |
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| [01:51:30] | wagnerrp: | just make a dump, and then import it into the new system |
| [01:52:12] | smoothifier: | I suppose it would be too much to expect it to work as-is? |
| [01:52:27] | smoothifier: | i'll take those dumps right now |
| [01:52:53] | wagnerrp: | well did you intend to reinstall your system? |
| [01:53:06] | smoothifier: | at some point yes :) |
| [01:53:10] | wagnerrp: | you could potentially just leave the drive in the new system, and use that unmodified as your new master backend |
| [01:53:34] | wagnerrp: | you would probably only have a few minor configuration issues to resolve |
| [01:53:35] | smoothifier: | i saw an opengl error during the channel icon download that left my screen blank |
| [01:54:35] | smoothifier: | i changed the static dhcp on the router |
| [01:57:02] | smoothifier: | i suppose if i see any more strange errors, i'll start from scratch. fortunately, i took copious notes on this install. :) |
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| [03:36:18] | MrShake_: | hey guys, I'm seeing some odd behavior with recorded programs |
| [03:36:39] | MrShake_: | I'm getting double listings in the recorded programs screen, one is greyed out with an x, and the other is the valid recording |
| [03:36:44] | MrShake_: | the logs are not helping me make sense of it |
| [03:36:47] | MrShake_: | any suggestions? |
| [03:38:05] | MrShake_: | there is actually a show recording right now that is doing it |
| [03:38:27] | MrShake_: | plenty of drive space... 135.62gb free |
| [03:38:54] | wagnerrp: | paste your backend logs, and let us make sense of them |
| [03:39:12] | MrShake_: | how far back should I go? |
| [03:39:25] | wagnerrp: | several hours |
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| [03:40:30] | MrShake_: | k, let me grab them |
| [03:40:35] | MrShake_: | should I grab frontend as well? |
| [03:41:05] | wagnerrp: | backend should be fine |
| [03:42:44] | MrShake_: | http://pastebin.com/gwXqQDZm |
| [03:47:10] | jya: | on a machine with 8gig of RAM, how much space should i allocate to swap? when i start vmware, it compplains that I should have 2GB of swap space… I didn't create any (8gig !!) . So I created a 2GB swap file ; but wondering what best practice should be.. I don't believe the "put as much space as physical RAM" is valid these days |
| [03:47:56] | [R]: | jya: it depends on what you want to do |
| [03:48:03] | MrShake_: | leave it at 2gb and keep an eye on the swap to see if its getting used |
| [03:48:30] | jya: | I'm just running mythtv/mythbackend and a 2GB VMWAre Windows 7 home for AnyDVD |
| [03:49:02] | jya: | I was running 4GB of RAM just fine for this before.. I upgrade to 8 gig 2 months ago, and now I changed the main drive |
| [03:49:29] | jya: | at the beginning, I had 2GB physical + 2GB swap. running just BE/FE |
| [03:50:02] | jya: | was fine.. there was some slow response if I let myth idle for long, the next time I would use it, the menu would take a little while to redray |
| [03:50:22] | jya: | when I purchased AnyDVD and I wanted to run it locally, I added another 2gig. |
| [03:50:53] | jya: | as I'm experiencing some stutter playing bluray every 30 mintues or so, I thought it was the RAM, so I added another 4gig.. Problem is still there |
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| [03:51:21] | MrShake_: | I'd guess stutter would be processor or video ram |
| [03:51:27] | MrShake_: | not system ram |
| [03:51:41] | wagnerrp: | are you flipping from one layer or one m2ts file to the next? |
| [03:52:04] | jya: | actually, I can see the BD disc light blinking like crazy… I rewind 10s and it's fine again |
| [03:53:03] | jya: | wagnerrp: I couldn't say to be honest, I play the mounted folder as mounted using SMB to the VMWare machine (it's the decrypted disk exported by anydvd) |
| [03:53:44] | wagnerrp: | that may levels between you and the media, i doubt layers would be causing a problem |
| [03:53:54] | wagnerrp: | is it one m2ts for the whole movie, or multiple spanned? |
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| [03:54:15] | jya: | around every 30 minutes, it starts to stutter |
| [03:54:21] | jya: | it does so for all bluray I watch |
| [03:59:00] | wagnerrp: | BuildMediaMap VIDEO scan starting in :/Datastore/.Pron: |
| [03:59:08] | ** wagnerrp snickers ** | |
| [04:03:00] | wagnerrp: | MrShake_: i see nothing that would indicate doubled recordings, or even one failed and one good recording for each |
| [04:03:16] | jya: | When is alternate player ever used? I've defined an alternate player for DVD (/home/mythtv/bdplay).. The unmount the disk, and remount it (I've found that if not doing so, it would cache the disc incorrectly). I've checked the "enable alternate player" . but choosing play optical disk, always start the internal player directly |
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| [04:10:08] | MrShake_: | well... thanks for takin a look wagnerrp |
| [04:10:16] | MrShake_: | I'll look again tomorrow |
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| [04:10:43] | wagnerrp: | bah |
| [04:10:57] | wagnerrp: | i was just about to tell him to run some SQL command to see if he was actually getting duplicates |
| [04:17:48] | jya: | hummm .. the DVDPlayerCommand that settings screen create is used nowhere else in the code… is it just a dead setting? |
| [04:18:51] | jya: | actually database settings name is "mythtv.DVDPlayerCommand" |
| [04:23:41] | jya: | sounds like another bug to me.. either remove the settings or make it work as one would expect |
| [04:25:50] | sphery: | knightr: Yeah, I wasn't trying to give him the answer in the ticket (and didn't say /what/ he misconfigured), but wanted it to be clear that the ticket isn't being closed as a "feature request without a patch", but was truly invalid and it's only doing that because he told it to. |
| [04:26:01] | sphery: | jya: are you saying that virtual tuners aren't shown on the backend status page? |
| [04:26:09] | jya: | yes.. |
| [04:26:20] | jya: | and they are non existent either |
| [04:27:34] | jya: | sent you the link... |
| [04:28:00] | jya: | so you can check for yourself. This is what occurs when I add 4 cards, each with 3 max recordings |
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| [06:51:35] | wagnerrp: | gah... |
| [06:51:52] | sphery: | gah gah |
| [06:51:55] | wagnerrp: | five minutes ago, i was thinking of something i needed to fix |
| [06:52:02] | wagnerrp: | i didnt write it down, and now its gone |
| [06:52:26] | wagnerrp: | it was one of those "i should fix that before release..." |
| [06:53:05] | sphery: | oooh, I can sneak into your dreams tonight and plant the seed of an idea to get you to fix one of my bugs |
| [06:53:20] | sphery: | just hope I don't get stuck in some hotel in your mind |
| [06:53:45] | wagnerrp: | it was something relatively minor |
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| [07:13:58] | wagnerrp: | awalls: knightr is looking for a bit of a primer on the inaccuracies of the signal/SNR levels we get from tuners |
| [07:14:02] | wagnerrp: | if youve got a couple minutes |
| [07:14:24] | awalls: | Well, I really need sleep. but sure. |
| [07:14:33] | wagnerrp: | well its not urgent |
| [07:14:44] | wagnerrp: | he was going to try to get in touch with devin if hes in tomorrow |
| [07:15:16] | awalls: | First rule for digital is that if you don't have lock, the numbers are *meaningless* |
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| [07:19:08] | awalls: | Time for bed. Goodnight. |
| [07:19:14] | wagnerrp: | night |
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| [07:26:24] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you want to handle #10299 or should i? |
| [07:28:18] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [07:28:38] | Beirdo: | all yours :) |
| [07:39:08] | wagnerrp: | lousy git |
| [07:39:25] | wagnerrp: | i cant type 'diff' anymore without unconsciously prepending 'git' |
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| [07:53:29] | jya: | Beirdo: IMHO, <= in loop is ugly :) |
| [07:54:08] | Beirdo: | hehe, feel free to change it to < 11 if you want, it's the same thing :) |
| [07:54:34] | wagnerrp: | but, i want it to go up to 11... |
| [07:54:44] | Beirdo: | I usually us < myself |
| [07:55:10] | ** Beirdo is watching some dude playing EP singles on youtube ** | |
| [07:55:19] | Beirdo: | bad idea, now I want more vinyl |
| [07:55:40] | Beirdo: | now playing: Foreigner – Waiting For A Girl Like You |
| [07:56:01] | Beirdo: | heh. I THINK I have the full LP with that on it |
| [07:56:08] | wagnerrp: | to replace the bad taste the awful youtube quality leaves in your mouth? |
| [07:56:52] | Beirdo: | it's not that bad really |
| [07:57:07] | jya: | wagnerrp: if you go to 11, it generates a Mysql error whenever you add a card |
| [07:57:19] | Beirdo: | not nearly as good as on my own turntable of course |
| [07:57:19] | jya: | though this is the least of the problem with adding DVB card right now |
| [07:57:26] | Beirdo: | Ooooh. More Aussie fun |
| [07:57:36] | Beirdo: | Men at Work – Down Under. |
| [07:57:44] | Beirdo: | more Grade 4 music for me |
| [07:57:48] | jya: | They got sued and lost... |
| [07:57:54] | wagnerrp: | no! if you go to 11, it gives you that extra little bit of volume to rock harder and win the crowd |
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| [07:58:12] | jya: | they have to pay 50% of the money they've ever made to the original author of the traditional song |
| [07:58:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, and they still make a mint |
| [07:58:39] | Beirdo: | thankfully it wasn't Colin Hay's only good song |
| [07:58:41] | jya: | big deal here, been on the news for a while until the verdict |
| [07:58:46] | sphery: | no, to the family of the original author of the kookaburra song |
| [07:58:51] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'd imagine so |
| [07:58:51] | sphery: | the original author died |
| [07:59:16] | sphery: | after his death, the family said, "what, we have the rights?" and saw $AUD in their eyes |
| [07:59:16] | jya: | ah no.. just 5% of the earnings.. |
| [07:59:20] | Beirdo: | already listened to Who Can It Be Now |
| [07:59:24] | wagnerrp: | no, to the music studio that had the author under contract |
| [07:59:32] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt matter if the original author is dead or not |
| [07:59:33] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [07:59:44] | jya: | sphery: not really.. everyone here know the original song.. it's quite famous |
| [07:59:47] | sphery: | yeah, I can't believe they won that--over 20yrs after the fact |
| [07:59:53] | Beirdo: | well, it was maybe 5% of the song, so that's a reasonable amount |
| [08:00:13] | Beirdo: | heck, I learned teh original as a kid... in Canada |
| [08:00:49] | Beirdo: | and really, it's sampling |
| [08:00:58] | Beirdo: | it's not like they stole the whole song |
| [08:01:04] | jya: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZzm1C-NlME |
| [08:02:35] | sphery: | so this has a good history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kookaburra_%28so . . . right_status |
| [08:02:53] | wagnerrp: | jya: i just dont hear the similarity |
| [08:03:04] | jya: | it's a poor example |
| [08:03:23] | jya: | the actual rhyme is very similar, and same words too |
| [08:03:32] | sphery: | I think they're similar, but not worthy of 6 figures to the publishing house that owns the rights |
| [08:03:46] | jya: | there's never been any denying from Men at work either they did admit being inspired by the song |
| [08:03:55] | Beirdo: | ummm, there were no works in Down Under |
| [08:04:00] | sphery: | (the 5% since 2002 is believed to be a 6 figure sum) |
| [08:04:05] | jya: | as it's something you learn as a child, every knew it, they just made it differently |
| [08:04:08] | jya: | and massive hit |
| [08:04:14] | Beirdo: | and they stole (if they did) the first line of the song only |
| [08:04:34] | Beirdo: | sorry, first two lines.. .not the entire melody |
| [08:04:51] | Beirdo: | for a solo part in a song, not as the core of the song |
| [08:05:04] | jya: | hence the 5% of the song :) |
| [08:05:09] | Beirdo: | yup :) |
| [08:05:20] | jya: | I think my grandpa wrote a song with the word "the" |
| [08:05:20] | Beirdo: | I'd say that's fair, even if it is a fortune |
| [08:05:31] | jya: | that must be at least 2% of all songs ever |
| [08:05:34] | jya: | I want my share ! |
| [08:05:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:05:45] | Beirdo: | good luck with that |
| [08:06:04] | jya: | why not? some company believe they own the word apple or windows |
| [08:07:15] | sphery: | or "app store" |
| [08:07:32] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:07:33] | jya: | Jeez… not a bad investment "Copyright to the Kookaburra song was purchased by Larrikin in 1990 for $6100." |
| [08:07:41] | jya: | from $6100 in 1990 |
| [08:07:45] | jya: | to 6 figures in 2010 |
| [08:07:46] | Beirdo: | I'm sure there's plenty of prior art for "the" in a song |
| [08:08:11] | Beirdo: | yeah, that was a cash grab like the patent squatting vultures |
| [08:08:13] | Beirdo: | uncool |
| [08:08:38] | Beirdo: | but, unfortunately... kosher |
| [08:09:01] | jya: | in defence of the "app store" there was just *nothing* of the sort on a mobile phone before that. it was all plenty of app store all dessiminated everywhere.. no single store, with all app being reviewed for consistency and the like |
| [08:09:28] | jya: | or even on a desktop computer even |
| [08:09:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:09:50] | Beirdo: | yeah well. "app store" should not be allowed to be trademarked |
| [08:09:53] | Beirdo: | too generic |
| [08:09:55] | jya: | the only thing I can think of was MS visual basic plugin in the ealy 90s |
| [08:09:59] | sphery: | well, I hate that law suit because it's too generic |
| [08:10:09] | sphery: | it's the same reason that it's not "Windows" |
| [08:10:27] | sphery: | MS tried to enforce TM status on the word "Windows" and failed because it was too generic |
| [08:10:32] | sphery: | so it's "MS Windows" |
| [08:10:34] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [08:10:34] | sphery: | and "MS Word" |
| [08:10:40] | Beirdo: | and MS Windows Vista |
| [08:10:42] | jya: | that's the brilliance of Apple in the matter . to create something that only 4 years later, you can't imagine how it could have been different before |
| [08:10:45] | sphery: | yeah |
| [08:10:46] | Beirdo: | rather than a number |
| [08:10:59] | [R]: | oh god, someone is suggesting runnign the r pi as a backend... |
| [08:11:07] | Beirdo: | and why we got a Pentium instead of 586 |
| [08:11:13] | earthnative: | Beirdo: the thing with the Kookaburra/Down Under riff – is that till it appeared in Spicks and Specks as a question, I don't think anyone had even noticed |
| [08:11:15] | jya: | Here, we have Cadbury what has made a trademark of their purple colour |
| [08:11:21] | wagnerrp: | [R]: yeah, im writing up a response |
| [08:11:25] | Beirdo: | earthnative: sure they did |
| [08:11:32] | earthnative: | evidence? |
| [08:11:35] | Beirdo: | I noticed the first time I heard it |
| [08:11:36] | [R]: | what possible use could that serve |
| [08:11:38] | Beirdo: | in 1981 |
| [08:11:44] | [R]: | to take 5 minutes to run the sceduler? |
| [08:11:57] | [R]: | to take 50 hours to run commflag? |
| [08:12:20] | Beirdo: | nobody scumsucking and moneygrubbing may have noticed |
| [08:12:20] | [R]: | wagnerrp: didn't you once say bad things would happen if the scheduler took more than a minute? |
| [08:12:25] | Beirdo: | but it sure was noticed :) |
| [08:12:34] | earthnative: | Beirdo: interesting. (I've challenged multiple people, and never before had anyone claim to have noticed it or heard it priot to S&S) |
| [08:12:45] | wagnerrp: | yes, ive said it repeatedly |
| [08:12:49] | Beirdo: | figuring I've never heard of S&S... |
| [08:13:14] | sphery: | earthnative: "I don't think anyone [from Larrikin Music] had even noticed" |
| [08:13:15] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i'ev got it... the scheduler shoudl be rewritten to slave it off to multiple machines... then you can run 5 rasberry pis together... |
| [08:13:21] | earthnative: | Beirdo: ahh. Spicks and Specks was a music gameshow in AUstralia (finished last year) which asked the question. ...and the lawsuit followed shortly after |
| [08:13:24] | [R]: | BRILLIANT! |
| [08:13:31] | Beirdo: | right |
| [08:13:47] | sphery: | [R]: put it in the cloud |
| [08:13:49] | Beirdo: | well, it was well known amongst fans anyways :) |
| [08:13:55] | [R]: | sphery: that's it! |
| [08:13:55] | sphery: | then people can just hire out ECS instances to do it |
| [08:14:13] | sphery: | oh, but since it's "free", they'll steal ECS instances |
| [08:14:19] | earthnative: | Beirdo: fan of which? :P |
| [08:14:53] | Beirdo: | heh. Men at Work, of course |
| [08:15:01] | earthnative: | of course, for examples of 'blatant copyright grab'., I think the Rolling Stones / Bittersweet Symphony – is a much more horrible example :/ |
| [08:15:05] | Beirdo: | although, I learned the other years before |
| [08:15:37] | Beirdo: | it's a cute little round |
| [08:15:45] | earthnative: | yeah. |
| [08:16:13] | earthnative: | to me, I hear the similarity, but my personal view is that it's not THAT similar as to be infringing. but hey, I'm not a lawyer (or a musician) |
| [08:16:36] | Beirdo: | it's a direct ripoff |
| [08:16:45] | Beirdo: | and intentional |
| [08:17:06] | sphery: | so did vanilla ice have to pay for the privilege of using the Queen riff in his song? |
| [08:17:07] | Beirdo: | but I see it as an homage to the Australian experience |
| [08:17:11] | sphery: | because /that/ is similar |
| [08:17:17] | Beirdo: | yes, I think so |
| [08:17:24] | sphery: | to the point of basically identical |
| [08:17:25] | Beirdo: | Queen/David Bowie :) |
| [08:17:32] | Beirdo: | it IS identical |
| [08:17:35] | sphery: | david bowie? |
| [08:17:38] | Beirdo: | it's sampled |
| [08:17:41] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [08:17:46] | Beirdo: | Under Pressure. |
| [08:17:52] | Beirdo: | look it up :)_ |
| [08:18:06] | wagnerrp: | its different! |
| [08:18:15] | sphery: | wow, didn't know he was part of that |
| [08:18:26] | wagnerrp: | when you hear the riff, at the end queen goes down a note, while vanilla ice goes up a note |
| [08:18:29] | wagnerrp: | its completely different |
| [08:18:32] | earthnative: | he wasn't. but he co-made that song with them |
| [08:18:56] | earthnative: | if that's "completely different", then M@W is TOTALLY unique |
| [08:19:05] | Beirdo: | he was a co-writer and a co-singer |
| [08:19:05] | wagnerrp: | earthnative: yes, queen and david bowie collaborated on that song |
| [08:19:09] | Beirdo: | it was a collaboration |
| [08:19:10] | earthnative: | I mean, I don't hear the similarity between 'Down Under' and 'Under Pressure' AT ALL! |
| [08:19:13] | wagnerrp: | and vanilla ice ripped it off for ice ice baby |
| [08:19:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm sure licensing everything involved a Labyrinth of legal issues |
| [08:20:13] | Beirdo: | he sampled. |
| [08:20:28] | Beirdo: | and I'm pretty sure it was paid for (especially by now) |
| [08:20:29] | wagnerrp: | and got off scott free |
| [08:21:07] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [08:21:11] | sphery: | "Ice Ice Baby" is a hip hop song written by American rapper Vanilla Ice and DJ Earthquake. The song samples the bassline of "Under Pressure" by Queen and David Bowie, who did not initially receive songwriting credit or royalties until after it had become a hit. |
| [08:21:15] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Ice_Baby |
| [08:21:15] | wagnerrp: | he didnt pay for use of it |
| [08:21:15] | sphery: | hehe |
| [08:21:21] | Beirdo: | Van Winkle later paid Queen and Bowie and as a result, all members of Queen and Bowie have since been given songwriting credit for the sample. |
| [08:21:29] | Beirdo: | he paid... much later |
| [08:21:39] | wagnerrp: | oh, didnt realize they won credit |
| [08:22:24] | Beirdo: | he extracted cranium from rectum eventually |
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| [08:23:52] | Beirdo: | hard to believe that crap hit #1 |
| [08:24:55] | ** jya Really enjoy Law & Order UK… ** | |
| [08:26:09] | jya: | hum.. since upgrading my mini to alsa 1.0.25, when I wake up from sleep; no audio |
| [08:28:13] | sphery: | I wonder if tonight's Simpsons had screenshots of all 500 couch gags |
| [08:29:04] | sphery: | I suppose I /could/ count it since MythTV can do frame by frame advance, but... |
| [08:36:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:36:53] | Beirdo: | OK, youtube is a crappy way to listen to Billy Idol |
| [08:37:09] | Beirdo: | can barely hear the bass, and without the bass, his songs ssuuuuucuk |
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| [08:38:55] | Beirdo: | ewww. acoustic!? |
| [08:38:56] | Beirdo: | no |
| [08:39:26] | Beirdo: | there we go |
| [08:39:46] | Beirdo: | White Wedding sounds odd acoustic |
| [08:56:08] | jya: | is there a magic Qt command to clean a path, like remove all trailing / character? |
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| [09:07:20] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: ummm, isn't the scheduler slowness due to mysql, not our code being slow? |
| [09:07:38] | Beirdo: | ie. point your slow POS at a fast database, and most of the issue is gone? |
| [09:07:46] | wagnerrp: | ssshhh |
| [09:07:54] | Beirdo: | K |
| [09:08:06] | Beirdo: | I won't say it on the ML :) |
| [09:08:22] | wagnerrp: | whats the point of running your backend on a slow POS, if you have to run your database on a separate, high performance, power hungry machine? |
| [09:08:30] | wagnerrp: | its not like your backend can operate without the database |
| [09:08:32] | Beirdo: | still, a lame idea to use those as a master backend |
| [09:08:35] | wagnerrp: | you cant turn it off |
| [09:08:42] | Beirdo: | true |
| [09:09:10] | Beirdo: | as a slave, it might be almost half OK |
| [09:09:53] | Beirdo: | jya: you'd have to check QDir and friends. There's all sorts of helpers in there |
| [09:09:55] | wagnerrp: | nah, it could only handle USB tuners, and you would be better off just connecting the USB tuner to a proper backend |
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| [09:10:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:10:20] | Beirdo: | or a HDHomerun |
| [09:10:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:10:25] | Beirdo: | how lame would that be |
| [09:10:54] | Beirdo: | at that point, just use the Cat5 to carry the HDHomerun video to the backend |
| [09:10:57] | Beirdo: | I know. |
| [09:11:16] | Beirdo: | use yer toy some other way, people |
| [09:11:52] | wagnerrp: | i like the mention of previous threads talking about getting VDPAU to run on a 256MB system |
| [09:11:59] | jya: | I did .replace(QRegExp("/+$"), QString()) |
| [09:12:04] | wagnerrp: | oh wait.. that was a 256MB video card |
| [09:12:07] | jya: | but that sounds very complicated |
| [09:12:27] | jya: | wagnerrp: VDPAU + openGL works perfectly fine on my mini and a nvidia 320M |
| [09:12:30] | Beirdo: | that will be painful, no? |
| [09:12:50] | wagnerrp: | jya: yeah, kor moc didnt have any problems with his 256MB 9400M |
| [09:12:50] | jya: | i wasn't expecting to be the case with all the warning I got here |
| [09:13:06] | wagnerrp: | but there are a number of users who have experienced issues |
| [09:13:23] | jya: | sometimes, I have a weird artefact however when the OSD is being displayed |
| [09:13:27] | jya: | the whole screen flicker |
| [09:13:39] | wagnerrp: | i dont know... do the mac minis implement any "turbocache"? |
| [09:13:47] | jya: | it's quite subtle the flicker, but it's there |
| [09:13:51] | wagnerrp: | supplementing the onboard memory with system memory |
| [09:13:54] | jya: | nah, nvidia-settings, reports just 256MB |
| [09:14:03] | jya: | with turbo-cache it would display more |
| [09:14:09] | jya: | like it does on my 9400M board |
| [09:14:34] | Beirdo: | I guess it depends on how much you try to do at once |
| [09:14:36] | jya: | the 9400M is pure turbocache / shared memory |
| [09:14:37] | Beirdo: | in the GPU |
| [09:14:56] | jya: | while talking about the GPU.. |
| [09:15:18] | jya: | I've tried a good part of the day yesterday getting OpenGL to work on my AMI 6970M video card... |
| [09:15:35] | jya: | the only thing that allowed me to watch a recording was in the end, the Qt painter |
| [09:15:52] | jya: | so removing it will be a worry. |
| [09:16:12] | Beirdo: | not even vaapi? |
| [09:16:15] | jya: | the open source graphic driver give me people with a blue face, quite weird |
| [09:16:36] | Beirdo: | well, nothing saying we have to support AMD crap... er GPUs at all |
| [09:16:50] | Beirdo: | but it would definitely be nice to be able to |
| [09:17:09] | jya: | and with the AMD close source drivers, it was terrible, i had two hard lockup, and more often than not, when playback start, the image freeze, I switch to the console (Ctrl-Alt-F1) and back (Ctrl-Alt-F7) and the image would start |
| [09:17:12] | jya: | (sometime) |
| [09:17:26] | Beirdo: | I have a box to test on (AMD E350 Fusion) |
| [09:17:35] | Beirdo: | I guess I need to try it :) |
| [09:17:39] | jya: | i'm just looking at what markk is doing with his branch |
| [09:17:46] | Beirdo: | its main purpose is for OpenCL |
| [09:17:49] | jya: | such a chainsaw attack |
| [09:17:54] | Beirdo: | which it has no issues with |
| [09:17:56] | jya: | CL or GL ? |
| [09:17:59] | Beirdo: | CL |
| [09:18:03] | Beirdo: | for commflag |
| [09:18:06] | jya: | ah ok.. sorry, missed the context |
| [09:18:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, he doesn't have a branch... that's a fork |
| [09:18:19] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [09:18:33] | Beirdo: | right down to changing the name |
| [09:18:36] | jya: | i called it that way on purpose :) I haven't given up hopes |
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| [09:18:56] | Beirdo: | but yeah, he's going at it with a chainsaw for sure |
| [09:19:34] | Beirdo: | TIMBER! |
| [09:20:04] | wagnerrp: | well with libmythprotoserver already felled |
| [09:20:25] | jya: | Beirdo: QDir:cleanPath |
| [09:20:27] | wagnerrp: | im curious to see what will happen in several months when i start carving up mythbackend into it |
| [09:20:31] | jya: | Qt, there's an API for that |
| [09:21:08] | wagnerrp: | "there's an API for that".. thats starting to sound Applish |
| [09:21:25] | jya: | it does feel that way |
| [09:25:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [09:29:02] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i need to get these ebuilds in soon |
| [09:29:12] | wagnerrp: | they just keep sending more tickets, threads, and pulls |
| [09:29:51] | Beirdo: | yeah, crazy people :) |
| [09:31:02] | jya: | are we doing unit testing anywhere ? |
| [09:31:24] | Beirdo: | ...unit... what? ;) |
| [09:31:37] | wagnerrp: | you mean, actually attempting to run the code? |
| [09:31:37] | jya: | ok, that's what I though... |
| [09:31:44] | wagnerrp: | no, just the compile checks |
| [09:31:44] | peitolm: | hurr hurr, you said "anywhere" |
| [09:31:50] | Beirdo: | have we ever had unit testing? That would be good to have |
| [09:31:59] | wagnerrp: | not that im aware of |
| [09:32:23] | Beirdo: | alas, we have not this testing of which you speak |
| [09:32:24] | jya: | ok… on the to do list in the future list |
| [09:32:26] | ** peitolm would love to see the unit tests for Mythtv, something tells me the codebase would be 5x the size of the mythtv ** | |
| [09:32:27] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [09:32:33] | wagnerrp: | cardoe has some form of basic unit testing set up for the official ebuilds upstream |
| [09:33:16] | wagnerrp: | i think its along the line of getting the database set up, adding some dummy tuners, and making sure the frontend and backend dont self-terminate |
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| [09:33:27] | Beirdo: | gah, now someone's whining that I closed #10336 |
| [09:33:40] | Beirdo: | errr, locked it |
| [09:33:48] | wagnerrp: | should have just left those tickets lie |
| [09:33:51] | Beirdo: | it was closed, and someone put a "me too" |
| [09:34:07] | jya: | i have some ideas for the embedded database and how local (backend) should access it… the whole idea of writing string with SQL queries in insane (IMHO) |
| [09:34:14] | Beirdo: | yeah, well, part of a release is *attempting* to close crap |
| [09:34:41] | Beirdo: | and that one had already been punted to the mailing lists |
| [09:35:03] | Beirdo: | it can be reopened if we find a bug in MythTV rather than in OpenSUSE |
| [09:42:22] | wagnerrp: | check that out, cinci.rr.com user just signed up for the wiki |
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| [09:43:35] | Beirdo: | your neighbor? |
| [09:43:54] | wagnerrp: | by neighbor, you mean no one who lives within five miles of me |
| [09:43:54] | jya: | is the bluray file system (UFS I believe) case sensitive? |
| [09:44:03] | wagnerrp: | UDF |
| [09:44:07] | wagnerrp: | UFS is BSD |
| [09:44:28] | jya: | UDF yes… |
| [09:45:18] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i dont actually know whether the 'placement' is done in mysql or the scheduler code |
| [09:45:40] | wagnerrp: | but placement is typically a good couple orders of magnitude more intensive |
| [09:46:19] | wagnerrp: | my matching ranges from 0.00 to 0.01 seconds |
| [09:46:32] | wagnerrp: | but placement ranges from 1.15–6.00 depending on system load |
| [09:46:33] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [09:46:44] | Beirdo: | mine's more like 15–20s placement |
| [09:46:57] | wagnerrp: | how big is your DTV lineup? |
| [09:47:06] | Beirdo: | pretty big... |
| [09:47:20] | wagnerrp: | ive only got like 20 channels to deal with |
| [09:47:27] | wagnerrp: | and most of them dont bother with reruns |
| [09:47:32] | Beirdo: | I'm around 10x that I think, total |
| [09:47:44] | Beirdo: | too many |
| [09:47:53] | wagnerrp: | those syndicated cable channels can be nasty on the scheduler |
| [09:48:38] | wagnerrp: | try to record NCIS and youve got a couple hundred episode matches right there |
| [09:50:44] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [09:50:54] | Beirdo: | I'm pretty rough on my scheduler :) |
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| [12:06:37] | drac_boy: | hi |
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| [12:32:58] | drac_boy: | just had to wonder if anyone would know, whats the internal AV header used for on the hauppauge 1600 cards? |
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| [13:13:26] | stuartm: | I asked this question a while back, and the answer was no but hoping things have changed – "Are there any nvidia cards available which do dual hdmi output?" |
| [13:13:52] | drac_boy: | does it have to be explictly hdmi btw? |
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| [13:17:38] | drac_boy: | stuartm I asked because I'm wondering why you couldn't just take any typical card and run one of the dvi port off for the second hdmi display? |
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| [13:40:36] | jya: | stuartm: there are plenty of nvidia cards wth DVI / HDMI output |
| [13:41:08] | jya: | the interesting thing is that the DVI output actually contains audio; it really is hdmi over a DVI connector |
| [13:44:01] | drac_boy: | jya I always wondered where they send the audio through from in the dvi pinout :-s |
| [13:44:20] | jya: | there are no audio pinout in a hdmi port |
| [13:44:43] | jya: | hdmi and dvi both carry a compatible electrical signal, it's a TMDS signal |
| [13:45:00] | jya: | in hdmi the audio signal is embedded within the TMDS |
| [13:45:12] | jya: | if you look at the hdmi and the DVI cable |
| [13:45:41] | jya: | you'll see that it has exactly the same number of TMDS output (except that DVI handles dual-DVI) |
| [13:46:07] | jya: | so electrically, hdmi is identical to DVI single-dvi, just the connector change shape |
| [13:46:14] | jya: | and you have to pay a royalty :) |
| [13:47:08] | drac_boy: | heh jya thats one of the reason I prefer displayport when it comes to theatre HD but hey thats just my own preference ok? :-p |
| [13:47:44] | jya: | except that good luck to find an amp that accept DP |
| [13:48:14] | drac_boy: | who need an amp? :-p |
| [13:48:18] | drac_boy: | heh |
| [13:50:22] | jya: | then you're limited to stereo |
| [13:50:38] | jya: | as usually it's just a computer monitor |
| [13:50:42] | drac_boy: | jya so what kind of living room setup do you have? |
| [13:50:59] | jya: | hold a sec |
| [13:51:03] | jya: | i have some old photos |
| [13:59:46] | ** drac_boy wonders if you just simply have a big photo collection to sift through :-) ** | |
| [14:09:28] | stuartm: | jya: but both usable at the same time? Usually it's one or the other |
| [14:09:49] | jya: | any nvidia > 8xxxx |
| [14:09:56] | jya: | will have dual digital output |
| [14:10:08] | jya: | either VGA / Digital, or Digital/Digital |
| [14:10:39] | stuartm: | hmm, interesting, I was told categorically that it wasn't the case last time I asked – and I think Isaac who works for Nvidia was one of those who said it wasn't possible |
| [14:10:41] | jya: | if > GT2xx ; then digital port carry audio too, irrelevant of DVI or hdmi connector |
| [14:10:57] | jya: | my GT430 has two digital output |
| [14:11:00] | jya: | one hdmi |
| [14:11:03] | jya: | one DVI-I |
| [14:11:14] | jya: | and I use a DVI->VGA adapter |
| [14:11:29] | jya: | dual screen. I have my projector , and my monitor PC |
| [14:11:47] | stuartm: | jya: well that's analogue from the DVI then, not digital? |
| [14:12:12] | jya: | it's DVI-I |
| [14:12:22] | jya: | it does both DVI-D and DVI-A (analog) |
| [14:12:39] | jya: | so it carries both vga and dvi-d at the same time |
| [14:12:47] | jya: | what matters is that it's dual screen |
| [14:13:39] | stuartm: | yeah, I can do dual screen atm with my onboard 8200, but only analogue + digital, not digital + digital |
| [14:14:27] | stuartm: | anyway, something to look further into |
| [14:15:11] | jya: | that's the cheap one I have |
| [14:15:18] | jya: | DVI + HDMI |
| [14:15:44] | jya: | what you find however, is that you can't use DVI-I analog at the same time as the DVI |
| [14:15:50] | jya: | sorry vg |
| [14:15:51] | jya: | a |
| [14:18:22] | jya: | it even comes with low profile mount |
| [14:18:31] | jya: | so you can use dvi+hdmi or VGA only |
| [14:19:23] | drac_boy: | jya I never can understand these weird pcie cards that can't even do what they look like they could do :-s |
| [14:19:37] | jya: | they are dual screen card |
| [14:19:50] | jya: | with two connectors linked to the same output |
| [14:20:27] | drac_boy: | ever worser is these 2-slot cards that have the fine print that says "only two outputs possible at a time" ... whats the point of having four or five outputs then |
| [14:20:45] | jya: | ohhh |
| [14:20:46] | jya: | my bad |
| [14:20:56] | jya: | the GT4xx and GT500 supports triple screen! |
| [14:21:00] | drac_boy: | jya np |
| [14:21:46] | drac_boy: | jya its a bit silly when you pick up a new card, and proceed to plug your two existing monitors in only for only one screen to actually lit up of all the things |
| [14:21:47] | jya: | drac_boy: old photo of my gear.. updated since but still fundamentally the same |
| [14:21:50] | jya: | http://www.avenard.org/home%20cinema/ |
| [14:22:38] | drac_boy: | heh nice, whats all the different decks for? |
| [14:27:13] | Peitolm: | what decks? i see a coupl of amps, what looks like 2 switchers and a ps3 |
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| [14:34:44] | drac_boy: | peitolm theres at least 11 different things so :-) |
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| [14:47:41] | Hydr0p0nX: | anyone recommend a good myth distro? i was looking at using mythdora but it appears to be on the way out to some extent |
| [14:52:48] | jya: | drac_boy: this particular audio processor had no hdmi, so I had a hdmi switch and a component video switch |
| [14:52:55] | jya: | now I've upgraded, I have an hdmi amp |
| [14:53:22] | jya: | form top to bottom I now have BD player , SP32, amp, amp |
| [14:53:25] | jya: | tad simpler |
| [14:56:39] | drac_boy: | heh well my is somewhat a bit too simple but I think I'll like it ;-) |
| [14:57:15] | jya: | in my living room, I replaed my stereo setup with a soundbar |
| [14:57:23] | jya: | works surprisignly well |
| [14:57:48] | drac_boy: | jya you want know what I'm working on now? :) |
| [14:59:26] | jya: | sure |
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| [15:03:43] | drac_boy: | small wood case with both itx system and diy amp/etc altogether (but seperate power) in progress, old audio receiver, nec multispin cdrom, and still not sure about if its worth trying to get a hddvd player off someone or to just stick to dvds+downloads alone |
| [15:04:01] | drac_boy: | probably would only need one shelf cabinet but heh |
| [15:07:21] | drac_boy: | jya if you're wondering the cdrom is actually just a 'basic' audio cd player heh. its surprisingly good at that of all the things :-p |
| [15:07:42] | jya: | where am I supposed to see this? |
| [15:08:15] | drac_boy: | probably in a week or two? :) |
| [15:08:26] | jya: | ok |
| [15:08:38] | jya: | i have a hddvd player right next to me... |
| [15:08:42] | jya: | xbox one |
| [15:09:00] | jya: | was cleaning up my place wondering what to do with it.. only have two movies |
| [15:09:08] | drac_boy: | jya heh I was thinking of the toshiba A2 or a few onkyo models tbh |
| [15:09:20] | jya: | 300 and Transformer |
| [15:09:22] | drac_boy: | they at least have normal a/v ports on the rear rather than some propertiary cable |
| [15:09:37] | jya: | the xbox one is just a USB one |
| [15:13:02] | drac_boy: | the one thing I did still wonder about tho was re some onkyo having rs232 on them. could be interesting if wired remote control was supported |
| [15:14:41] | drac_boy: | http://www.us.onkyo.com/images/common/product . . . 05B_rear.jpg you can see that for yourself here |
| [15:16:01] | jya: | often, it's not rs232 |
| [15:16:51] | jya: | well, it is, but it's an interface for onkyo controller system |
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| [15:20:57] | drac_boy: | mm jya is it like a protocol specific to the maker but plausible to hack? |
| [15:21:17] | jya: | not sure |
| [15:21:42] | drac_boy: | since the mitsubishi vcr I used to have had a 'control in' and 'control out' prong alike to but different size from ministereo .. I never got around to actually trying it out since a few days later after finding the datasheet it broke :-s |
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| [15:22:41] | drac_boy: | jya well either way that particular onkyo would had been nice for me. component output to pass through the pc and coaxial output for the amp |
| [15:22:46] | drac_boy: | so mm yeah |
| [15:22:55] | jya: | VCR ?? |
| [15:24:18] | drac_boy: | jya? |
| [15:27:50] | drac_boy: | jya what you trying to ask? |
| [15:28:19] | jya: | nothing.. just first time in over a decade I read about "VCR" |
| [15:28:23] | jya: | :) |
| [15:28:27] | jya: | allright.. off to bed |
| [15:33:49] | drac_boy: | jya you're a funny one? heh |
| [15:35:35] | drac_boy: | guess I'm going for a while |
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| [16:22:38] | smoothifier: | hi :) i'm getting a SG error: SG() Error: Could not create builtinStorage Group directory '/etc/mythtv/tmp' for 'Temp' and one for 'Themes' also. I don't recall creating these storage groups. |
| [16:24:00] | skd5aner: | sphery: ping, you aorund? |
| [16:27:58] | skd5aner: | sphery: nm |
| [16:30:06] | stuartm: | smoothifier: that's the problem, you've not defined directories for those so it's trying to create ones in your mythtv config directory to use instead – normally that would be /home/mythtv/.mythtv/ but some distros are insisting on making it /etc instead which is totally inappropriate for cache directories |
| [16:30:47] | smoothifier: | so add those two groups to my Storage groups? |
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| [16:31:21] | smoothifier: | i'll define them |
| [16:31:43] | stuartm: | should work, but I've not tested it |
| [16:32:04] | smoothifier: | things started to go wrong on this machine and I put the hard drive in a working machine |
| [16:32:14] | smoothifier: | i wasn't getting these errors a week ago IIRC |
| [16:32:24] | smoothifier: | my old machine died :( |
| [16:50:30] | smoothifier: | stuartm: i'm getting inconsistent errors. sometimes the frontend will crash with a call to OpenGL, then the next time, it loads fine. |
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| [17:32:40] | AndyCap: | justinh: does 6.5 TB sound about right for recording 1 week of freeview (avg 88Mbit/s?) trying to guess what's inside the promise.tv boxes. |
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| [17:35:37] | smoothifier: | holy cow... i hesitate to say this but the upgrade to 0.24–2 seems to have fixed my strange errors. how can this be? i'm sure i'll crash in 10 minutes. :/ |
| [17:36:20] | Hydr0p0nX: | so uhh |
| [17:36:36] | Hydr0p0nX: | anyone recommend a good distro for myth? |
| [17:36:59] | AndyCap: | Hydr0p0nX: I would say go with a distro you know. |
| [17:37:39] | Hydr0p0nX: | sooo ubuntu, redhat, slackware, suse, or mandrake |
| [17:37:39] | Hydr0p0nX: | lol |
| [17:38:06] | Hydr0p0nX: | was looking at mythdora until i saw a post saying they were on the way out due to time constraints |
| [17:38:35] | AndyCap: | Hydr0p0nX: and do you want to have it packaged or build mythtv on your own? |
| [17:38:45] | AndyCap: | Hydr0p0nX: ubuntu was first on your list though. |
| [17:38:49] | Hydr0p0nX: | prefer it be packaged |
| [17:39:38] | Hydr0p0nX: | well i've been a sys admin for all of those except ubuntu |
| [17:40:56] | AndyCap: | I have been using fedora and that's been good for me. but I'm lazy and have other things to do so I am going to try moving to centos 6 |
| [17:43:25] | ThisNewGuy: | hey all – I'm trying to use the python bindings to check if the hdtv flag is set in the video props – can anyone point me to the best way to do this? |
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| [17:48:21] | smoothifier: | Hydr0p0nX: I have had good luck with Fedora. I'm running FC 16 right now and things work pretty well, except for my hardware (which is old) |
| [17:49:18] | smoothifier: | Hydr0p0nX: there is some good documentation on installing Myth on Fedora on the web: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Fedora |
| [17:49:34] | smoothifier: | that's a good start |
| [17:51:53] | Hydr0p0nX: | i've actually got it pulled up |
| [17:52:01] | ThisNewGuy: | looks like the answer is: static.VIDEO_PROPS.VID_HDTV in p.VideoProps |
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| [17:54:13] | dekarl-too: | Hydr0p0nX, how about testing MythBuntu? Its the only remaining full distribution that comes close to an applicance (correct me if I'm wrong, please) |
| [17:56:33] | Hydr0p0nX: | i tried it and had some problems with it not actually saving the recordings |
| [17:57:02] | Hydr0p0nX: | everything i found pointed to a performance issue with the box, but i've just upgraded it significantly |
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| [17:59:52] | dekarl-too: | does it work now? If not, it would be best to see logs. As it "worksformany" |
| [18:00:23] | Hydr0p0nX: | not sure, i literally, just finished putting it all back together |
| [18:00:32] | Hydr0p0nX: | haven't even gotten hooked back up yet |
| [18:00:41] | dekarl-too: | ahh, good luck then |
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| [18:01:49] | Hydr0p0nX: | but it went from a athlon xp 2500+ w/ 2g ram to a phenom x4 w/ 8g |
| [18:04:09] | dekarl-too: | should have worked on the former, too. Its not as if copying a bitstream from one device to another is a cpu killer. |
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| [18:12:54] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea, i think it was the actual encoding that was problematic, i was running front and backend on that box |
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| [18:18:11] | Hydr0p0nX: | k, i'm off to hook it up and see what happens =] |
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| [19:59:09] | ** wagnerrp prods knightr ** | |
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| [20:08:41] | dekarl1: | justinh: ohh, didn't know they (Fluendo) were in the installation of third party tools business, too. and, <insert rants about people not being able to read the gihub network graph wrt torc... its not rocket science...> (btw, going through the backlog atm) |
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| [20:10:25] | wagnerrp: | dekarl1: the one thing i dont understand is why all commits that make it into torc get put into their row |
| [20:10:57] | wagnerrp: | seems like it would be easier to follow if commits were kept in which ever fork/branch they were initially committed to |
| [20:11:13] | wagnerrp: | and all you saw in the current fork were the merge commits |
| [20:12:17] | dekarl: | how should github know where a commit comes from? Its just showing everything the first time and surpresses copies in "lower rows" |
| [20:13:06] | dekarl: | so if you look at the network from Torc's POV you'll see that all the main devs switches to torc. If you look at it from mythtv's POV you'll see only some to make direct commits over there. |
| [20:13:33] | wagnerrp: | plus the periodic cherrypick from torc |
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| [20:15:02] | dekarl: | basically https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/network vs https://github.com/Torc/torc/network (where MythTV has one meager commit since the fork :) |
| [20:15:56] | wagnerrp: | its likely to get real messy real fast a month or two after release |
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| [20:18:53] | mzb: | Hydr0p0nX: if you add VDPAU to that mix you'll probably think that the CPU is only there to fill the hole ;) [install gkrellmd on the box and watch it remotely with 'gkrellm -s mythbox'] |
| [20:20:31] | MaximLevitsky: | Sort of works now, but sound is very distorted, and I don't see the EPG |
| [20:20:49] | MaximLevitsky: | Ah well, mythtv is not MS media center :-) |
| [20:21:02] | mzb: | some things take work |
| [20:21:19] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: are you actually in? |
| [20:21:30] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: shockingly I am actually here |
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| [20:21:56] | wagnerrp: | heh, you have a list of changes that need to go into our ebuilds, by chance? |
| [20:22:23] | wagnerrp: | theres the linuxtv headers move, theres a sandbox change, theres the has/hasq issue, and potentially some additional USE changes |
| [20:22:26] | wagnerrp: | anything else you know of? |
| [20:22:55] | mzb: | fwiw, I did a video for some friends in the US to explain what mythtv was like to use (before I upgraded the TV/CPU) |
| [20:24:23] | mzb: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . MVI_3023.m4v |
| [20:25:22] | dekarl: | mzb: also on youtube? (just guessing that if you invested time it might be worth it) |
| [20:26:54] | mzb: | oh, I guess I could. It was really only for a few friends ... and I imagine my accent will sound pretty bad to the rest of the world ;) |
| [20:27:19] | mzb: | includes a *crash* btw ;) |
| [20:27:32] | dekarl: | haha, my gf is having english lessons atm, and the training cd is ... interesteing in that regard |
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| [20:27:51] | mzb: | that was on a 24" monitor with a S939 4400+ CPU |
| [20:28:04] | mzb: | since then I've upgraded to a 37" and an FX8150 |
| [20:28:30] | wagnerrp: | 37" as a monitor, or a TV? |
| [20:28:50] | mzb: | samsung ua37d5000 |
| [20:29:04] | wagnerrp: | i mean, are you using that as a TV, or as a desktop monitor? |
| [20:30:08] | mzb: | the 24" was a Dell monitor ... it's simply been replaced by the 37" ... they run off the DVI/HDMI of the mythtv FE/BE which is downstairs |
| [20:30:32] | mzb: | the HDMI cable runs up the disused chimney along with audio/usb/network/etc |
| [20:31:03] | mzb: | 24" now back on my computer desk where it belongs! |
| [20:32:37] | Hydr0p0nX: | it appears that formatting 3.7TB takes a minute =] |
| [20:33:09] | mzb: | hehe |
| [20:33:24] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt |
| [20:33:36] | wagnerrp: | all youre doing is skipping around and adding a couple indexes |
| [20:33:41] | Hydr0p0nX: | eh, 5400rpm raid0 |
| [20:33:42] | mzb: | depends what it's being formatted with |
| [20:33:54] | mzb: | is it still syncing? |
| [20:34:01] | wagnerrp: | raid0? eew... |
| [20:34:07] | mzb: | cat /proc/mdstat |
| [20:34:15] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [20:35:19] | Hydr0p0nX: | naa it's done now |
| [20:35:39] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: specifically, I don't. |
| [20:35:48] | Hydr0p0nX: | it's done now |
| [20:35:53] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I can look at it. Were you going to make an update today? |
| [20:36:02] | wagnerrp: | you really shouldnt be using RAID0 for anything besides temporary scratch space for linear content |
| [20:36:26] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: rewriting my ebuild-generator script, and was planning on getting updates in today |
| [20:36:35] | wagnerrp: | if you dont have anything easily on hand, dont worry about it |
| [20:36:36] | Hydr0p0nX: | but, i'll be adding another 2tb and converting to raid0 w/ hotspare then to raid5 |
| [20:36:48] | wagnerrp: | i can just look at the upstream stuff |
| [20:36:50] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I think you pretty much covered any of the changes that need to happen |
| [20:37:02] | Cardoe: | Didn't realize you used a script to generate it. |
| [20:37:33] | wagnerrp: | less generate, and more copy with new constants at the top of the file |
| [20:38:05] | wagnerrp: | it decides what hash and version string to use, and applies it to a new set of ebuilds for mythtv and the plugins |
| [20:38:13] | wagnerrp: | Hydr0p0nX: this is for an archival video library? |
| [20:38:23] | Hydr0p0nX: | will be, yes |
| [20:38:43] | wagnerrp: | do you not have the third drive to make it RAID5 right now? |
| [20:38:53] | Hydr0p0nX: | i do not |
| [20:39:42] | Hydr0p0nX: | so it's a short term hack more or less, i'm not a huge fan of raid0 either |
| [20:40:11] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: any particular reason you moved the eclasses into each ebuild directly? |
| [20:40:45] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I actually haven't touched the ebuilds in ages. That was another guy. |
| [20:41:03] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [20:41:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah, he was in here a while back |
| [20:41:20] | wagnerrp: | maybe 2 months ago |
| [20:41:32] | wagnerrp: | !seen rich0 |
| [20:41:32] | MythLogBot: | rich0 was last seen 43 days 8 hours 35 seconds ago |
| [20:41:45] | Cardoe: | Yep that's him |
| [20:41:48] | Cardoe: | Just prodded him |
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| [20:47:57] | mzb: | ok dekarl, uploaded to http://youtu.be/q8VAGDCm3Ug |
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| [20:48:15] | dekarl: | ahh, what a coincidence, just started pulling it to my MBE ;) |
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| [20:53:35] | mzb: | new CPU has made a huge difference: 1) using gkrellm I can't see the difference between "playing SD video" and "idle", and 2) I now have live comm-flagging enabled! |
| [20:54:24] | dekarl: | mzb, I see you have movies and series separate, too. seems to be a common concept |
| [20:54:24] | mzb: | (HD playback flicks around different cores up to 7%) |
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| [20:59:59] | mzb: | I might consider doing an updated video showing the differences between the old and new hardware |
| [21:02:26] | dekarl: | with updated mythtv, too? (I don't think theres to much of a difference with just a hardware upgrade) |
| [21:03:38] | mzb: | yeah, recompiled ... but there IS a difference whether you recompile or not |
| [21:04:14] | mzb: | I can't get the optimisations available in gcc 4.6, but amdfam10 is still an improvement |
| [21:04:18] | mzb: | (I guess) |
| [21:04:53] | ertyu-m: | which cpu? |
| [21:04:56] | dekarl: | Ahh, showing orr Airplay & co. would be nice, too (aka. 0.25/master preview) |
| [21:05:00] | dekarl: | s/orr/off/ |
| [21:05:01] | mzb: | fx8150 |
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| [21:06:10] | mzb: | gtg, back in an hour |
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| [21:10:51] | Seeker`: | dekarl: could probably do with a decent theme for showing off animation |
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| [21:11:30] | Seeker`: | ( http://youtu.be/SPAsk_x_wIk is my poor attempt ) |
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| [21:13:55] | minterior: | hello |
| [21:14:47] | dekarl: | Seeker`: very brave, now everyone will report bugs wrt the missing audio cues to accompany the animation ^^ |
| [21:14:58] | dekarl: | minterior: hello |
| [21:16:15] | minterior: | I have a doubt with Upnp. When I configured mythtv at first time, I saw the shared folders on my tv, but now I see all videos on the same folder. This is annoying and hard to find the one you want. Some help? |
| [21:17:23] | rich0: | wagnerrp, Cardoe pinged me and I checked the log... I moved the eclass code into the ebuilds at least temporarily until all the ebuilds are able to use the same code. I didn't want to mess with the 0.23 ebuilds and those would need changing to use the new eclasses. Once 0.23 is gone and things settle down I'd likely want to update the eclass and ditch the redundancy. |
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| [21:18:11] | wagnerrp: | all ebuilds can use the same eclasses |
| [21:18:21] | rich0: | The other option was versioning the eclass, which is another option. In general it is pretty difficult to make non-backwards-compatible changes to an eclass. I'd be able to get away with it on an overlay, but not in portage proper. |
| [21:18:42] | wagnerrp: | just add that same block of four values you see at the top of the 0.24 ebuilds to the 0.23 ones |
| [21:18:55] | wagnerrp: | and update the source packages you have stored on your mirrors |
| [21:19:04] | minterior: | I have mythtv 0.25 |
| [21:19:40] | wagnerrp: | minterior: its possible the rewritten UPNP support for video library content no longer builds trees in the same manner as the old 0.24 verison |
| [21:19:47] | rich0: | That still is a pretty big change for the stable 0.23 packages. Easier to change things once they are gone. |
| [21:19:55] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [21:20:19] | rich0: | Trust me – after having gotten a few plugins into the tree I'm not keen on ditching the eclass there... :) |
| [21:20:42] | rich0: | By all means keep your overlay as it is. I'd like to get portage into a similar state. |
| [21:20:48] | minterior: | wagnerrp: ups. And isn't it configurable? |
| [21:20:50] | wagnerrp: | i just had some user half-demand i update the 0.24 ebuilds in the overlay with those in #400907 |
| [21:21:19] | wagnerrp: | and aside from some minor use changes, and some other code that was intentionally removed from the overlay |
| [21:21:31] | wagnerrp: | the only major difference was the inclusion of that eclass code |
| [21:21:43] | wagnerrp: | minterior: in code only |
| [21:22:38] | wagnerrp: | rich0: so yeah... linuxtv header location, sandbox patch fix, hasq fix |
| [21:22:43] | wagnerrp: | anything else of significant note? |
| [21:22:46] | Hydr0p0nX: | arrrrrg |
| [21:22:59] | wagnerrp: | oh, and fix the tab/space indentation |
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| [21:25:34] | drac_boy: | hi |
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| [21:25:50] | minterior: | wagnerrp: suppose I should download the sources, change the option and recompile |
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| [21:26:33] | wagnerrp: | minterior: less "change the option" and more "reprogram the content map" |
| [21:26:50] | rich0: | wagnerrp, from memory that seems about right. Maybe the next time I touch your ebuilds I should send you a patch (minus the eclass stuff). |
| [21:26:51] | minterior: | xD |
| [21:26:56] | k-man: | whats the oldest version of qt that .24fixes will compile against? |
| [21:26:57] | wagnerrp: | its optional, in the same manner that everything open source does is optional |
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| [21:27:26] | rich0: | I'd just diff them... |
| [21:27:33] | wagnerrp: | rich0: something to note, which Cardoe didnt know existed |
| [21:27:37] | rich0: | And I do plan to get 0.24.2 into the tree reasonably soon. |
| [21:28:05] | wagnerrp: | there is a script in the scripts folder to generate new ebuilds with the necessary bits at the top to point to a specific version |
| [21:28:37] | rich0: | I finally got around to setting up a Gentoo front-end instead of using minimyth, and I have that mostly debugged. That makes it WAY easier to update my backend since it is trivial to keep both in sync that way. |
| [21:29:26] | rich0: | Minimyth was nice, but inevitably the config files changed substantially between versions and finding a Gentoo/minimyth release that were protocol-compatible wasn't always easy either. |
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| [21:29:49] | rich0: | Now I just run Gentoo with an nfs root on my mini-ITX box. |
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| [21:30:46] | rich0: | And thanks for keeping your overlay going – I still point users to it if they want the most up-to-date experience. |
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| [21:35:03] | wagnerrp: | heh, up-to-date being 6 weeks old? |
| [21:36:15] | wagnerrp: | as ive been telling users, the script is there to generate a new ebuild for whatever version you might want |
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| [22:39:13] | dekarl: | who is nickrout and why is he calling names at xmltv as a den of copyright violators? Or is he just talking about "programs that emit xmltv format guide for the US market"? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11697009&postcount=13 |
| [22:42:00] | wagnerrp: | presumably just in reference to north america |
| [22:42:31] | wagnerrp: | where two of the three xmltv providers i know of are copyright violations |
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| [22:43:21] | wagnerrp: | and one is potentially some level of criminal computer system access |
| [22:44:20] | dekarl: | just saw he's hailing from new zealand where there is no clean grabber either |
| [22:44:29] | wagnerrp: | amusingly, the user in question appears to be trying to use tv_grab_eu_epgdata to access guide data from comcast |
| [22:44:42] | wagnerrp: | isnt epgdata a pay service just like schedules direct? |
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| [22:45:27] | dekarl: | similar |
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| [22:46:58] | dekarl: | it covers more countries, but I never looked into it as I was afraid of becoming tainted and then got to far with my own guide |
| [22:47:25] | wagnerrp: | becoming 'tainted'? |
| [22:47:57] | dekarl: | afflicted? |
| [22:48:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what you mean |
| [22:48:51] | dekarl: | I didn't want to get called out for copying ideas/procedures/data from other guide providers so I simpley avoided them like a plague. I have no idea if that was playing it safe to much |
| [22:49:00] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [22:50:28] | dekarl: | after all "EPG is the next big multi-billion-dollar-baby" and they've got more lawyers on they're payroll than myself (see DE/AU/NZ actions in the last five years) |
| [22:53:43] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: the hvr-2250 has an s5h1411 dig demodulator, and reports SNR in 0.1 dB increments. |
| [22:53:55] | devinheitmueller: | (which if I recall is not what Mythtv expects) |
| [22:54:29] | devinheitmueller: | (e.g. an SNR of 0x012c = 30.0 dB) |
| [22:58:33] | wagnerrp: | knightr: ^^^ |
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| [23:43:25] | trumee: | wagnerrp: The issue i was facing yesterday with LNB selection is sorted. I had to first pressure the kerboard down key to select 'Unconnect' and then press enter. |
| [23:43:50] | trumee: | wagnerrp: pity, the item is not selected by default. |
| [23:44:46] | smoothifier: | damn, i keep core dumping from mythfrontend. i did a fresh 64 bit install and loaded up my old database. i'm thinking about starting fresh (i only have about 5 recordings). |
| [23:44:58] | smoothifier: | fresh database, that is |
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