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Thursday, February 16th, 2012, 00:05 UTC

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pyrodex:

gah I wish on the HDHR-CC there was a way to reboot the Tuning Adapter remotely.

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wagnerrp:

oof... github is a big 404

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kormoc:

500

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kormoc:

it's all down

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wagnerrp:

er yeah... 500

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kormoc:

https://status.github.com/

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kormoc:

"We're having some DB issues at the moment"

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kormoc:

Thank god they're in the cloud and can web scale… right? right?

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wagnerrp:

its down because someone sharded on the server

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pyrodex:

the cloud has it's pluses and minuses..

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wagnerrp:

the cloud has exactly _zero_ pluses

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wagnerrp:

because its NOTHING

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wagnerrp:

its last decade's server farms, with a new marketing name

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pyrodex:

LOL my company is about to switch our entire email operation to the cloud...

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pyrodex:

and put it in the hands of M$

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kormoc:

"Had to restart MySQL. InnoDB recovery happening now" Oof. Should have used percona

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sphery:

Q: "Is the cloud a good thing?" A: "Reply hazy, try again"

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** kormoc wonders if there will be a DBA job posting for github soon **

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sphery:

kormoc: sounds like they need to just get rid of the weak link--mysql--and go for some real nosql goodness!

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kormoc:

ooh! Then rather then recovering the data, it can just disappear in a cloud of smoke!

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sphery:

after all, you can't use RDBMS in the cloud... that's crazy

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sphery:

hehe, yeah, it /is/ the "cloud"

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pyrodex:

wagnerrp: Newegg has a great deal on HDHR 3CC and 6CC atm if you looking for one or two

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pyrodex:

they are cheapest i've ever seen

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pyrodex:

170 for 3cc and 350 for 6cc

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wagnerrp:

nah, cablecard tuners are likely worthless in my area

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pyrodex:

ahh

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pyrodex:

live in the boondocks?

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derekj:

pyrodex: where do you live?

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pyrodex:

Atlanta (Lawrenceville, GA)

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wagnerrp:

nah, cable company just marks stuff as copy protected

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pyrodex:

ahhh

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pyrodex:

I had that problem with Charter and fought them to the mat about it...

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derekj:

pyrodex: so hdhr-cc has worked well for you w/ myth?

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pyrodex:

they added CartoonHD in copy-never and stated it was the content creators choice...

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pyrodex:

I then told them one second, and sent them internal docs showing them we don't protect our content..

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pyrodex:

derekj: so far so good... I occasionally have to reboot my TA's once a week.

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wagnerrp:

hahahaa

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wagnerrp:

well, thats one way to do it

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pyrodex:

but the HDHR's are solid now that firmware is getting better.

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derekj:

pyrodex: so are you currently with charter?

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pyrodex:

they had HBO unprotected for a while and I informed them that wasn't a good idea..

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pyrodex:

derekj: Yup

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pyrodex:

derekj: Not impressed with their support/staff but the social umatter2charter people actually listen and esclate when problems are seen.

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derekj:

pyrodex: would have thought ATL would have been comcast territory :)

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pyrodex:

It is and it isn't...

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pyrodex:

When I lived downtown i was comcast

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derekj:

pyrodex: yeah. muncipalities

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pyrodex:

But moved in with my girlfriend at the time but now my wife and Charter PAID to install the cable into her neighborhood when it was built so we are stuck with them

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pyrodex:

They aren't bad... I pay 45$ a month for 30MBPS down with 4–5 up.

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derekj:

when did you actually get hdhr-cc?

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pyrodex:

Ummm mid last year.

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derekj:

mid last year?

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derekj:

when was hdhr-cc out?

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pyrodex:

I moved from 2xTiVoHD's to a Mythtv Solution (again, used to have PVR350s and Firewire boxes back in the day)

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derekj:

I thought it was late last year

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pyrodex:

I think it released in late 2010

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pyrodex:

maybe your thinking on the CETON card

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derekj:

no, hdhr cableccard

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derekj:

cause my friend was cometemplating buying one when I built his mythbox last year

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pyrodex:

Ok it was Jun 29th last year

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pyrodex:

I got mine in August

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pyrodex:

so late mid :)

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derekj:

and I could have sworn it wasn't out even then

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** drac_boy is too amused that too many people are still total idiots when it comes to eben understanding why firewire exists at all **

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pyrodex:

and I added a second one after xmas

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wagnerrp:

depending on who youre talking to, the HDHRPs started working in early 2010

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pyrodex:

for more tuners.

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pyrodex:

let me check my recipt from MicroCenter. I could have sworn it was sooner.

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derekj:

August would have been the right time frame

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derekj:

built box for friend in July

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pyrodex:

it was before sept.

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pyrodex:

so had to be end of july-aug

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pyrodex:

anywho I love mine personally

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pyrodex:

and saves me the money from Tivo

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derekj:

yeah no doubt

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pyrodex:

plus I can archive my favorite shows

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pyrodex:

and I love mythtv from the past when I used it

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derekj:

did the cableco have difficulty with cc activation?

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pyrodex:

just wish there was a MFE for windows

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pyrodex:

Charter YES..

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pyrodex:

they were morons

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ertyu-m:

you're lucky to even have the choice of devices :)

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ertyu-m:

I'm stuck with telco box, cable box or a 3rd party pvr controlling said boxes

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pyrodex:

I switched my cards from TiVo to HDHR and the front line techs didn't know what ID's and crap they needed and wanted to send out a tech to fucking phone in a auth hit on the CC

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derekj:

ertyu-m: use firewire :)

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ertyu-m:

derekj, that would be the plan if I stick with cable co

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pyrodex:

I don't mind the boxes but having 6 tuners on the network is a nice thing and If I wanted to expand its easy and cheap. They are even in my wiring closet

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derekj:

yeah, my friend has his in basement

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drac_boy:

derekj I did try look into firewire-capable tuners once some time ago but then dropped the idea as it was too much troublesome to convert from ota to that at the time

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pyrodex:

just wish charter used the nicer Cisco TA's versus the Motorola's

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drac_boy:

but now that august 2011 has passed by I'm kinda wondering. not sure yet tho

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derekj:

drac_boy: for ota (in US) jus go with regular hdhr

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pyrodex:

yea HDHRCC is useless for pure OTA

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pyrodex:

I don't think it will even work with OTA

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pyrodex:

you need a CableCard for it

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drac_boy:

pyrodex I wasn't talking about ota for that btw

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drac_boy:

'to convert from' :-)

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pyrodex:

ahh

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derekj:

drac_boy: ahha

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ertyu-m:

drac_boy, you get cross border OTA there?

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drac_boy:

ertyu-m nope, just canada ones

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drac_boy:

and btw I'm still not sure about crappy crtc because they seem to be making hollow promises at times

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drac_boy:

almost no store from august up to today even will stock any digital tuner boxes. and lets not talk about most of the signals on atsc-ready tv being quite choppy for this major area too

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ertyu-m:

I've emailing to CRTC complaining they should regulate access to TV since we have oligopolies everywhere

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drac_boy:

but meh

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ertyu-m:

I have a hunk of coax hanging off my deck, it gets most of the local stations

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ertyu-m:

the rest I don't think I could get even with a big anntena

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drac_boy:

heh

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ertyu-m:

you have bell and rogers there?

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drac_boy:

I have no idea whatever the actual coverages is (you can blame these greedy companies for refusing to keep any kind of real maps updated heh)

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drac_boy:

but all I know is that I've seen booklets for bell, rogers, directtv, hugh, primus, and hmm one more I can't remember the spelling of atm

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bill6502:

wagnerrp: Would it surprise you to know that if Master Backend Override is set, then IPv6 isn't used during playback?

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bill6502:

I found that GetBackendServerIP wasn't even called on my test box, yet on my real box it was (and file xfers used IPv6 there.)

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wagnerrp:

if master backend override is set, it always uses whatever address you have set for the master backend

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wagnerrp:

whether that address is IPv4 or IPv6 is completely up to you

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bill6502:

OK, new log item today: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . rer.cpp#L227 fires

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bill6502:

every time I start my frontend.

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wagnerrp:

hmm... same here

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wagnerrp:

i did check the frontend web server when i initially made the patch to make sure that was running

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bill6502:

(running on v0.25pre-4544-gef3fc49 and the error isn't in any of my old logs)

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wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

looks like the media renderer is coming up before the addresses are selected

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bill6502:

Perhaps more important, would you prefer a ticket?

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wagnerrp:

hell, its coming up before we even access the database

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wagnerrp:

which means that GetValue() call on line 218 is completely bogus

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wagnerrp:

the value is always empty, so it always goes to 6547

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wagnerrp:

fixing the timing for the address selection ended up breaking the timing for the mediarenderer in the frontend

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bill6502:

Is GetValue() trying to get UPnP/MythFrontend/ServicePort from settings?

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wagnerrp:

through an indirect fashion, yes

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bill6502:

I looked in both of my backends and that value doesn't exist. I <assume> that mine used to work by default.

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wagnerrp:

there should be little reason to ever specify it

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wagnerrp:

but i know it used to work

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jya:

wagnerrp: I've played with the recordings metadata a lot last night… Something is seriously broken… I had it working for some shows. In the recordings editor, I manually selected some images. and they show up in the recordings editor but nowhere else

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wagnerrp:

because there was previously some issue where users running multiple frontends simultaneously would segfault when they tried to listen on the same port

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wagnerrp:

changing that value manually was the fix

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wagnerrp:

not sure what would be wrong

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wagnerrp:

jya: from the top of the page on the wiki, if youve already set the inetrefs for the recording rules

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wagnerrp:

running 'mythmetadatalookup --refresh-all' will apply that inetref to any recordings that match those rules, and do not otherwise have it set

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wagnerrp:

and will subsequently search for season and episode numbers for those recordings

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jya:

wagnerrp: when I entered into the recording rules, it is searching automatically for the show, if there's only one, the TMDB/TVDB# field is populated

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jya:

I can then download fanart, cover, banner

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wagnerrp:

afterwards, running 'mythmetadatalookup --refresh-all-artwork' will download the artwork relevant to that recording

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jya:

yesterday, it was behaving differently

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jya:

the images would show up on the screen..

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jya:

i saved, go into the recording screens, no images there.

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jya:

Now I have restarted the frontend, going into the recording rules, I do not see any images where they used to show, I can download them, but I don't see them anymore

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wagnerrp:

try running those options from the command line, let it automatically do as much as it can

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jya:

i saw metadalookup starting automatically last night

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jya:

before it ran, while I wasn't seeing the images in watch recording screen, at least they were showing in the edit recording rule screen

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wagnerrp:

artwork is stored referenced against the inetref and season

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wagnerrp:

if you have artwork for your recording rules

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wagnerrp:

run '--refresh-all', and it should copy that inetref to your existing recordings

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wagnerrp:

in effect, matching that artwork up with your existing recordings

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jya:

shouldn't this be all automatic after a recording, or will I have to do a refresh all every day?

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wagnerrp:

the inetref will always be copied from the recording rule

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jya:

oh well, daily build of mythbuntu don't work (doesn't let me start live tv)

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wagnerrp:

with proper settings, mythmetadatalookup will be run by the jobqueue following a recording, and configure the season and episode

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jya:

and brand new build just give me a "error opening jump programme file buffer

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wagnerrp:

with further proper settings, mythmetadatalookup will be run daily by the housekeeper, download all the relevant artwork

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jya:

wagnerrp: I have followed all the steps in the wiki to the letter

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jya:

everything is … weird

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jya:

i just don't understand the behaviour

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Seeker`:

jya: previously when I have had that error, it let me start it after a few attempts

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jya:

if in the recording editor, in the metadata screen, it searches as soon as you enter. If there's only one matching that work, the TVDB# field is populated

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jya:

if there are more than one, and I select the one I want

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jya:

the list with the choice disappear briefly, and is being redisplayed for me to choose

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jya:

I can't exit that list

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jya:

anyhow.. now nothing is working for me… anyway

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jya:

http://pastebin.com/mMi8byMC

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wagnerrp:

playback is not working? what changeset are you running?

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jya:

actually it seems to be a combination...

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jya:

now running master head on both backend/frontend and it works

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r000t:

Well, it works. Significant other seems to like it. She had one question...

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jya:

0.25pre-4549-g2a74313

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r000t:

"What's with 'myth'?"

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r000t:

What does myth mean?

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derekj:

jya: I didn't know you were a chinese news fan :)

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jya:

derekj: I'm not, it's on the news channel selected by default, and as I can't change channel..

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jya:

v0.25pre-4537-g567278c is the latest on mythbuntu daily build

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jya:

with 567278c, mythfrontend tells me that it can't connect to the backend (they are both running on the same machine)

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jya:

playing both backend/frontend on the same latest version works… 567278c against latest master doesn't… surprising

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pyrodex:

grr forget recording isn't working right via myth commands...

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pyrodex:

seems it needs more info than delete recording

[02:57:25]

wagnerrp:

thats correct, it needs a program info block

[02:57:29]

wagnerrp:

as per the page on the wiki

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pyrodex:

yea.

[02:57:48]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/FORGET_RECORDING_(Myth_Protocol)

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pyrodex:

I need to find a quick way to get it with Chanid and Starttime.

[02:58:18]

wagnerrp:

QUERY_RECORDING <chanid> <starttime>

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wagnerrp:

actually, i would expect that to be the default constructor for the Program class

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pyrodex:

hmm

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pyrodex:

Feb 15 21:59:09 beast mythbackend[23478]: MythSocket(7fafb0561820:95): read <- 95 36 QUERY_RECORDINGS 1708 20120215205900

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pyrodex:

Feb 15 21:59:09 beast mythbackend[23478]: Bad QUERY_RECORDINGS query

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wagnerrp:

singular

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pyrodex:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

QUERY_RECORDING and QUERY_RECORDINGS are two separate things

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wagnerrp:

in any case, you should not be doing anything manually

[03:00:20]

wagnerrp:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . thTV.pm#L802

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[R]:

wagnerrp: that's what she said

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pyrodex:

i think it just crashed the backend =\

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wagnerrp:

thats not impossible

[03:01:18]

wagnerrp:

most things in the backend protocol server do not react well to fuzzing

[03:02:05]

[R]:

ffs, i missed a recording yesterday and this evening cuz my freakin satellite reciever turned off

[03:02:55]

jya:

wagnerrp: I found the issue with the metadata not showing up in the recording screen. I had added the refid number through the edit recordings screen ; those changes are never saved it seems (http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10344) if I edit the inetref id from the watch recordings screen, then it is saved and I see the fanart for the recording I hust edited

[03:03:46]

pyrodex:

not pretty =\

[03:03:56]

pyrodex:

Feb 15 22:03:20 beast kernel: [49099.737056] mythbackend[24463]: segfault at 34 ip 00000000004638b3 sp 00007ff8407ef680 error 4 in mythbackend[400000+19f000]

[03:04:11]

pyrodex:

I issued a QUERY_RECORDING 1708 20120215205900

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wagnerrp:

first, you still shouldnt be running that manually when there is already a call to do so in the perl bindings

[03:05:37]

pyrodex:

Ok I can do that from Perl bindings

[03:05:55]

wagnerrp:

i just gave you the link to the chunk of code that does so

[03:06:15]

pyrodex:

looking at it now

[03:06:22]

wagnerrp:

second, expect anything coming from my fingers to only be half correct, or not quite correct, and check the docs

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wagnerrp:

which show there being an extra term you have to supply

[03:06:45]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/QUERY_RECORDING_(Myth_Protocol)

[03:07:09]

wagnerrp:

especially when dealing with the backend protocol server, which as youve discovered does not hold up well against fuzzing

[03:17:41]

wagnerrp:

wtf? CBS is running a good 30% higher bitrate than normal

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[R]:

don't complain!

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wagnerrp:

let me rephrase that

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wagnerrp:

finally! CBS is running a good 30% higher bitrate than normal

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[R]:

lol

[03:21:42]

pyrodex:

ok got it...

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pyrodex:

wow that was a slight pain in the butt

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[R]:

that's what she said

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[R]:

lol

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pyrodex:

I wish...

[03:29:26]

wagnerrp:

slight? is that a reference to endowment?

[03:29:39]

jya:

sphery: could you lend me some of your magic SQL expertise? I'd like to check the metadatalookup on all my existing recording rules

[03:30:05]

jya:

I've done about 20 through mythweb in the past 10 minutes, I can't be bothered going through all of them anymore

[03:30:25]

wagnerrp:

check in what manner?

[03:31:12]

jya:

there's a "Lookup Metadata" checkbox when you look at a recording rule

[03:31:40]

jya:

I have modified the default recording so it has it checked, but it didn't apply to any of my existing recording rule

[03:31:53]

jya:

e.g. none of them have it checked

[03:31:53]

wagnerrp:

so... SELECT title FROM record WHERE inetref='';

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wagnerrp:

UPDATE record SET autometadata=1 WHERE inetref!='';

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jya:

Rows matched: 37 Changed: 25 Warnings: 0

[03:34:22]

jya:

however, when I go into mythweb, and look at one of the recording rule, it is still not checked

[03:35:14]

wagnerrp:

in the advanced options, Post Processing section?

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jya:

yep

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jya:

if I create a new rule, then it is checked by default.. which is what I want

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jya:

ah, I just paid attention to the sql statement you've given me

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jya:

it only does so for item with an inetref

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jya:

most of mine don't have one

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wagnerrp:

if there's data to be had, there will be an inetref to use

[03:39:07]

wagnerrp:

no sense performing the lookup every time

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wagnerrp:

rather than just once for the rule

[03:39:28]

jya:

sure… but getting an inetref value is my next step :)

[03:39:53]

jya:

provided that the automatic search of the inetref and saving doesn't work (at least for me)

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jya:

when you set the intrefid to one recording, then run mythmetadata with --refresh-all-rules. Will it assign the inetfref to all recordings with no inetreg but with the same title?

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wagnerrp:

no, it only applies from recording rules, to recordings with the same recordid

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jya:

i see

[03:48:27]

jya:

so i have to find a way to edit the inetref for the recording rule

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jya:

which so far has proven to be a difficult tax

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tweek__:

are channel IDs always going to be 4 digits?

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tweek__:

or effectively almost always

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wagnerrp:

no

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GTS2:

Is it in fact possible to have a mceusb LIRC remote that works for irsend and receiving devinput? lirc 0.9 // kernel 3.2.6

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GTS2:

I can get lirc receive to work great via devinput. But when I try to send it get hardware does not support. I even tried the whole two different LIRC instances thing ... no change.

[06:16:23]

Roklobsta:

is anyone going to try out a Raspberry Pi with mythtv and XMBC when it comes out?

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wagnerrp:

wont do much good with mythtv

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Roklobsta:

how hard would it be to port mythFE to Rpi?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will run on the RPI right now

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wagnerrp:

it will compile and run just fine on ARM, "porting it" isnt the issue

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Roklobsta:

is the video accelration the issue?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

which is a question of "writing support" rather than "porting code"

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wagnerrp:

|if someone wants to write support, then theres still the question of memory usage

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will run on 256MB of memory, but not well

[06:20:02]

wagnerrp:

the 128MB version is out of the question

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wagnerrp:

although from what i understand, XBMC is saying the same thing

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wagnerrp:

Roklobsta: do understand that even though its clocked at 700MHz, that thing is every bit as powerful as a Pentium Pro from the mid-90s

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Roklobsta:

hmmm, that's weak.

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wagnerrp:

its little more than a controller to drive the graphics core

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Roklobsta:

though i do remember being jealous of someone getting a P60 when I had 486dx100.

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wagnerrp:

different architecture

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Roklobsta:

then he got a free upgrade to a P90 in the floating point kerfuffle.

[06:26:34]

Roklobsta:

ok, i know somone who will be putting their mythFE/BE in a cupboard in a few m nths and will need something like an RPi for MythFE functionality.

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wagnerrp:

a P60 or P90 would have been based off the old P5 architecture

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wagnerrp:

the Pentium Pro introduced a much longer pipeline, out-of-order execution, L2 cache

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Roklobsta:

it's a shame XBMC has stalled on the beagleboard.

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wagnerrp:

it was the first "modern" CPU

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wagnerrp:

usually clocked around 200MHz

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wagnerrp:

i got one third hand for free, and called it sh**box, because in 2002, it was already a piece of sh**

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wagnerrp:

but good enough to run a firewall and crude file server

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[R]:

wagnerrp: longer pipeline?

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wagnerrp:

a full pipeline is the full set of logical units needed to perform an instruction

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wagnerrp:

each step through the pipeline takes one clock cycle

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[R]:

come on... you didnt take the bait

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[R]:

i know what a pipeline is

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wagnerrp:

bah

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dekarl:

r000t: from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Introduction : He [Isaac Richards] says: I could have just bought a TiVo, but I wanted to have more than just a PVR — I want a webbrowser built in, a mail client, maybe some games. Basically, I want the mythical convergence box that's been talked about for a few years now.

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dekarl:

so MythTV is likely named after "the mythical convergence box"

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veehexx:

anyone have more info on the Torc fork?

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pyrodex-work:

Gah the mythbuntu 0.25 is messed up.. doesn't have the perl modules in the package.

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wagnerrp:

pyrodex: it may have the perl modules in a separate package'

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likw_d--_:

where is skiplist/cutlist kept in the db in 24.1?

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wagnerrp:

recordedmarkup

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wagnerrp:

if youre using the python bindings, Recorded().markup

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wagnerrp:

and potentially... Recorded().markup.getskiplist() or .getcutlist()

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likw_d--_:

so its all the same table, but what determines if its cutlist or skiplist

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likw_d--_:

'type'?

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wagnerrp:

aye

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wagnerrp:

there are a bunch of other data types in there as well

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likw_d--_:

yea i noticed. i have 8 distinct 'type's

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likw_d--_:

i curious as id rather just change everything to be a cutlist, then start my commflag job with --gencutlist

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likw_d--_:

so that when i export with mythvidexport it honors the cutlist

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likw_d--_:

(ill take the chances of mythcommflag not being as accurate as a human generating the cutlist)

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wagnerrp:

mythvidexport could be modified to convert them in flight

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wagnerrp:

so the cutlist only exists in the video library, not the recording library

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wagnerrp:

although the only real reason to use the cutlist copy in mythvidexport is if you have a video you simply cant clip the commercials out of

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likw_d--_:

but exporting transcodes? why would a cutlist even be needed if it comms are transcoded out

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wagnerrp:

such as h264 content, from a DVB broadcast, or HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

if you transcode something, and tell mythtranscode to honor the cutlist

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wagnerrp:

it will clear both the cutlist and skiplist for that recording

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wagnerrp:

since as you say, they are no longer valid or useful

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likw_d--_:

oh right i skipped a step. 1) change the commercial flagging job to include --gencutlist 2) mythtranscode honoring cutlists 3) mythvidexport.py

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likw_d--_:

(and changing all past recordings type to that of the cutlist type

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wagnerrp:

you mean, change the line in mythtv-setup from 'mythcommflag' to 'mythcommflag --gencutlist'?

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likw_d--_:

this from userjobs wiki page: /usr/bin/mythcommflag -s %STARTTIME% -c %CHANID% --gencutlist

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wagnerrp:

as a user job, independent from normal commflagging

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wagnerrp:

in other words, you would run the normal commflagging, then you would run that, then you would run the transcode

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likw_d--_:

oh i couldnt just replace it?

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wagnerrp:

if you run mythcommflag with the --gencutlist flag, it doesnt process the recording

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wagnerrp:

all it does is a single database query, to copy the skiplist to the cutlist

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GTS2:

Is it in fact possible to have a mceusb LIRC remote that works for irsend and receiving devinput? lirc 0.9 // kernel 3.2.6

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GTS2:

I can get lirc receive to work great via devinput. But when I try to send it get hardware does not support. I even tried the whole two different LIRC instances thing ... no change.

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J-e-f-f-A:

GTS2: Perhaps an lirc channel would be a better place to ask?

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bill6502:

wagnerrp: Pretty low on the trivil-o-meter, but, your take on: http://pastebin.com/LTDgUqjt ?

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bill6502:

I can address it in the Wiki (and it assumes folks read logs.)

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bill6502:

s/trivil/trivial/

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wagnerrp:

i could tweak that a bit, but i expect the number of people who disable IPv6 completely to be fairly low

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wagnerrp:

as i understand it, at least the loopback should be enabled by default on most distros, right?

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bill6502:

Agreed, I just have no feel how many folks silently followed the -users advice.

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bill6502:

wagnerrp: I have a few more changes for the Enable IPv6 Wiki and would add more on valid %ServerIP[6] configuratioins.

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bill6502:

Are you planning any documentation on the whole binding change?

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GTS2:

J-e-f-f-A, nobody home in that channel ... and when I google people with this issue it is all mythtv gossamer threads where I find somebody with the problem

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tweek__:

just curious, is originalairdate in UTC or in the user's timezone?

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GTS2:

J-e-f-f-A, I feel very much like this: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wisdom_of_the_ancients.png

[18:20:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

GTS2: Do you run MythTV?

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J-e-f-f-A:

GTS2: Also note that Gossamer is just an archive of the MythTV mailing lists – so maybe join the -users list and send an [ot] email to the list?

[18:22:19]

GTS2:

J-e-f-f-A, yep

[18:22:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

or an on-topic, since you're using it with myth. ;-)

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GTS2:

J-e-f-f-A, I think my solution may just be to go back to Gentoo

[18:23:24]

GTS2:

This is the fourth time in 2 months Arch had completely pwned my system.

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GTS2:

two times it wasn't even bootable.

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J-e-f-f-A:

GTS2: Heh... It's about time for me to upgrade my system... My backend is still on FC13. ;-)

[18:23:44]

GTS2:

It isn't even Arch's fault ... it is all upstream. The Linux kernel in particular.

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GTS2:

I've come to learn that being shielded from upstream is a GOOD thing.

[18:25:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

I was considering CentOS after reading some things on the MythDora site – but I recently built a duplicator system for my church, and used CentOS 6.2, and ran into some strange issues... And have seen some issues noted for Myth with 6.2... so I dunno...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Holy smokes, I've been using MythTV since 2005.... Yikes, it sure doesn't seem that long!!!!

[18:33:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

Heh... I just found a local save of Jarod's "Fedora Myth(TV)ology HOWTO" ;-) – for FC3. ;-) That's what I cut my teeth on!!!! hehehehe...

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** J-e-f-f-A is too much of a pack-rat... D'oh! **

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MylesMan:

I'm having trouble with mythweather in 0.24 it displays the headings (temp, high, low, etc) but no data... here's the term. output http://pastebin.com/MPX6gwjL

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wagnerrp:

bill6502: well the actual hope is that its as transparent as possible to the user

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bill6502:

wagnerrp: That's been my experience, but I didn't recognize the new Master definition that includes /either/ IPv4 or IPv6 and the Master Backend Override

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bill6502:

we discussed last night. Both of which I'm writing up now.

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bill6502:

What I really didn't want to do was stomp on something you were planning, or worse, write conflicting info.

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bill6502:

Thanks again for your help.

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wagnerrp:

i likely wasnt going to do anything for maybe a month or so

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wagnerrp:

let everything stabilize, make sure there werent any more tweaks to be done

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wagnerrp:

start updating the docs once we hit an RC

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lis0r:

does the airplay support do video, or is it audio only?

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wagnerrp:

both

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wagnerrp:

although there are very different mechanisms for each

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wagnerrp:

note, there is no UI to speak of

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wagnerrp:

it just starts playing

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justinh:

wowser. forked? again? heh

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wagnerrp:

again?

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justinh:

yeah there was another fork ages ago

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wagnerrp:

the perl one?

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justinh:

no, a real one

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justinh:

whoah. just found another I'd never heard about. mythCAR

[20:40:07]

justinh:

http://ostatic.com/mythcar hahaha

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: that one's even under a BSD license!

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devinheitmueller:

You know, he rewrote all the GPL parts. :-)

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wagnerrp:

was about to say...

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justinh:

can't remember the name of the original one from years ago though

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sphery:

wagnerrp: did you see ZeroCore Power from AMD? http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/amd_hd_7 . . . eview,4.html

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sphery:

just hope that a) other vendors get similar, and b) F/LOSS drivers for Linux get support for the idea

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any numbers on how well that actually works?

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wagnerrp:

i mean bulldozer was supposed to isolate its modules into islands, literally carved into the substrate

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wagnerrp:

so it could very strongly disable idle cores, and cut them to effectively zero power consumption

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wagnerrp:

.... but it never turned out that way in practice

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sphery:

there are some reviews on the 'net (one of which I closed because the idiots allowed an ad too large for the area they set aside, so it covered up the graph and there was no way to fix it short of blocking the ad)

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sphery:

seems people are saying good things about it, so far, but it's still new

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justinh:

anyhow... seems interesting what's going on. whatever that really is :-)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: what verbosity do you need to print out the opengl/qt painter comments on startup?

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sphery:

default

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sphery:

-v general --loglevel info

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sphery:

at least the ones that show vendor/renderer/version

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sphery:

to see the gl es garbage, you'd need more

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wagnerrp:

well im just going to close it, you can follow up further if you want

[21:06:49]

sphery:

which one

[21:06:56]

sphery:

the gl es one from yianni

[21:07:02]

wagnerrp:

the one i just closed

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sphery:

if so, I heard a rumor that markk just committed a fix to torc

[21:07:07]

wagnerrp:

menus not visible

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sphery:

ah, different one

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wagnerrp:

sphery: remember? he has an ATI card... not a functional system

[21:13:53]

sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

well, I just wanted a disclaimer so that we don't end up with a ton of users doing -O overrides

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sphery:

if a ton of users have to do that, we need to put the setting back and make it default to auto

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drac_boy:

was just thinking about these different video adapters and I just had to ask...

[21:15:35]

drac_boy:

is shortening the svideo pins directly into one single wire for composite within or outside actual composite signal specs?

[21:15:50]

wagnerrp:

shortening the pins?

[21:16:40]

justinh:

drac_boy: shorting == BAD monkey

[21:16:57]

wagnerrp:

buy an adapter

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sphery:

S-Video separates out chroma and luma... composite combines them. TTBOMK, the "combination" is more than you get by just overlapping the 2 signals on one wire

[21:17:04]

wagnerrp:

they cost all of a couple bucks

[21:17:08]

justinh:

use a 10nF capacitor or so ;-)

[21:17:17]

wagnerrp:

and come with some resistor/capacitor network to do it properlyu

[21:17:25]

drac_boy:

sphery sorry but I had to ask, what is "TTBOMK"? heh :-)

[21:17:32]

sphery:

to the best of my knowledge

[21:17:46]

wagnerrp:

svideo will always deliver better quality than composite

[21:17:54]

wagnerrp:

if you can use svideo directly, use svideo directly

[21:18:02]

drac_boy:

sphery heh

[21:18:10]

wagnerrp:

if not, your TV is like 20 years old, replace it

[21:18:15]

sphery:

as I understand it, this is why s-video to composite or composite to s-video adapaters are one-way adapters

[21:18:29]

sphery:

(and why you get black and white video if you use one the wrong way)

[21:18:56]

drac_boy:

wagnerrp I never used composite but while I was buying three more cables at the computer store I noticed the 14ft direct svideo-composite cable and thats what made me asking here when I got back

[21:19:16]

wagnerrp:

its more than just a cable

[21:19:30]

drac_boy:

the only thing I even have on composite at all is for a somewhat good reason, the old snes

[21:19:44]

drac_boy:

everything else is pretty much on a mix of svideo and component alone which I like

[21:22:06]

sphery:

yeah, it's likely a cable with an integrated adapter in it

[21:22:28]

justinh:

'adapter' being a capacitater :-)

[21:22:42]

drac_boy:

sphery its a bit funny when you take a dvd player via component and plug only the Y rca into the tv's composite input everything looks like the old brownish-tone movies except in green instead

[21:22:44]

tweek__:

is it just me, or does anyone notice a 2-second delay or so whenever extracting closed captions from a MythTV recording?

[21:23:11]

sphery:

"extracting" = playing back a recording in mythtv?

[21:23:14]

wagnerrp:

extracting using what?

[21:23:26]

sphery:

if so, you're using 0.24-fixes and CEA-708 captions

[21:23:40]

sphery:

which don't really work in any released version of mythtv

[21:23:53]

sphery:

and you need to use CEA-608 captions until you upgrade to 0.25 after it's released

[21:23:59]

tweek__:

ccextractor

[21:24:15]

wagnerrp:

cant do anything with 3rd part software like ccextractor

[21:24:49]

tweek__:

yep, just wondering if it's just to be expected with MythTV

[21:24:56]

tweek__:

or if it's just my particular card / driver

[21:25:09]

sphery:

sounds like it's ccextractor

[21:25:18]

wagnerrp:

mythtv just dumps whatever the tuner card gives it straight to disk

[21:25:28]

sphery:

as, unless you're using NUV files, mythtv is just dumping whatever video it's given

[21:25:39]

tweek__:

ok, thanks

[21:26:10]

sphery:

(NUV files = using a garbage analog frame grabber instead of a hardware encoder or digital capture card)

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drac_boy:

I'm just asking but I've never seen any free schematics or I might had been just simply looking in the wrong archives. component-to-svideo conversion or its difficult to do without decoding the video into raw signal then encode it back?

[21:26:59]

tweek__:

well, I think that was the last outstanding bug in this thing

[21:27:00]

wagnerrp:

drac_boy: component->svideo requires an actual video processor

[21:27:04]

wagnerrp:

i.e. not cheap

[21:27:20]

drac_boy:

yeah I thought it would had been coming to that

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justinh:

component to svideo != COMPOSITE to svideo

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drac_boy:

thanks

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drac_boy:

wagnerrp at least it'll likely never ever happen at all because I can't think of a dvd player or pvr that wouldn't have svideo for not-so-new tvs after all. right?

[21:28:34]

drac_boy:

even the bell HD PVR from a few months ago still can output composite video....crummy but heh

[21:28:41]

wagnerrp:

drac_boy: more likely youre going to see it the other direction

[21:29:05]

wagnerrp:

a video processor in an AV Receiver, upscaling to a single output to send to the TV

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drac_boy:

I have seen that in a few large av receivers. their quicksheet points out that they can upscale and downscale between any inputs or outputs ... except that the hdmi one can't be downscaled which probably was obvious as to why

[21:30:32]

tweek__:

I'm making a Python alternative for mythtranscode. queries a mythbackend for a recording, queries MySQL for the metadata, queries Tvdb using that excellent Python interface included with MythTV

[21:30:54]

tweek__:

runs it through Project-X while clipping commercials, embeds metadata, creates chapter markers, includes captions as subtitles... a bunch of stuff

[21:31:31]

tweek__:

designed for compatibility with iOS devices, metadata shows up in iTunes as if you bought the TV episode through the store

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justinh:

ooo that's going to be nice when the commercial flagging is off a tad

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tweek__:

works remotely, and now with WTV files too

[21:32:05]

tweek__:

I've used it to transcode over 100 video recordings so far, and I think it's getting close to a release

[21:32:19]

tweek__:

just wondering whether the MythTV community would be interested in such a thing, and if so, where to put it

[21:32:27]

justinh:

in the wiki

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wagnerrp:

put it up on the wiki, theres a User Job Scripts category

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justinh:

with all the other useful scripts

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tweek__:

ok, will do

[21:32:48]

wagnerrp:

and a Python Scripts category

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wagnerrp:

and probably a Transcode Scripts category

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tweek__:

thanks again for all the help over the last few days

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wagnerrp:

is this being inserted back in place of the original recording?

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tweek__:

not currently. I just dump a recording like 1405_201202121235800.mpg to ~/Videos/Louie/Louie – Bully.m4v

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tweek__:

only problem I've encountered so far is that Tvdb seems to think 'Louie' is a kids' show :/

[21:35:25]

wagnerrp:

Life with Louie?

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drac_boy:

there is something more mythtv-related tho...has anyone ever used these 'compact' bluetooth keyboards? they're much smaller than the usual pc ones but not too tiny that its hard to type on them like a computer rather than like a smartphone if you know what I mean

[21:35:51]

drac_boy:

I'm thinking it seem like the perfect idea for a living room keyboard as its not too size-wieldy

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tweek__:

Louie, the crass post-Seinfeld comedy that airs late-night on FX

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wagnerrp:

no, the kids show

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tweek__:

all the episode names are of the form 'Louie, Draw Me a Reindeer', 'Louie, Draw Me a Squirrel'

[21:37:14]

wagnerrp:

guess not

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tweek__:

I'm guessing something along the lines of Harold and the Purple Crayon

[21:38:26]

tweek__:

oh, should mention, mythcommflag is still used for commercials. the cutlist is directly fetched from MythDB, so you have an easy way to edit it on Linux

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wagnerrp:

skiplist

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tweek__:

on Windows I guess I'll use comskip or something, then write a quick .NET app to allow editing it

[21:39:09]

wagnerrp:

if youre pulling anything from mythcommflag, its the skiplist

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tweek__:

I'm just calling MythDB().getRecorded(...).markup.getcutlist()

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trumee:

anybody know which mceusb remote has programmable 'power' button, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#Programmable_Buttons

[21:42:05]

wagnerrp:

getRecorded should only be used if youre doing a complex search for a particular recording

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trumee:

my remote doesnt seem to be programmable, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/File:Philips-remote.jpg

[21:42:29]

tweek__:

yeah, saw it was deprecated

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wagnerrp:

well, its replaced by just running searchRecorded, and grabbing the first result

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drac_boy:

something like this one that is http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?c . . . em_id=039843

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wagnerrp:

if youre pulling from a chanid/starttime, just supply those directly into the Recorded object

[21:43:37]

wagnerrp:

if youve got a jobid, then do Recorded.fromJob() instead

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wagnerrp:

and if youre running as a user job, you should probably be using a jobid

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wagnerrp:

so that you can periodically update the database with status changes

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tweek__:

alright, making that change now, thanks

[21:45:53]

wagnerrp:

might want to see mythvidexport.py as an example

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trumee:

drac_boy: no, i want an mceusb remote, not a keyboard

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drac_boy:

trumee I wasn't talking to you

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drac_boy:

;-)

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mzb:

drac_boy, I use bluetooth for control

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mzb:

I haven't used the small keyboards for the job ... they're toyz ;)

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drac_boy:

mzb well the usual keyboards are just way too big to be honest

[21:56:16]

mzb:

but I do have a small keyboard that's a bit Mac-ish, and a wii-mote ... oh and some six-axis knockoffs

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mzb:

if you're only looking for occasional use I guess the little 'thumb-boards' would be ok

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justinh:

all that hand waving... bad for your long-term health. I read that somewhere

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mzb:

hehe

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mzb:

I don't use the accelerometer any more

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mzb:

good for me but didn't suit the females in the house

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drac_boy:

mzb well I need the keyboard espcially to deal with some other things that would be too difficult with a mouse...nevermind entering the occassional web addresses too

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drac_boy:

most of the times it'll be left on the under-deck of the coffee table unused tho

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justinh:

yeh well the way media controllers are going they're gonna want everybody kung-fu fighting to navigate a menu

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justinh:

oh and shouting at the TV :P

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mzb:

heh

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mzb:

I got the six-axis knock-offs to play the humble-bundle games I've been buying

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mzb:

plan is to make the machine do games *nicely*

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mzb:

wii-remote is still the best remote I've ever had

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justinh:

where convergence is concerned I draw the line at media playback these days. Skype on linux sucked

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mzb:

I have no interest in plugging any more equipment into the lounge room tv

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justinh:

it's never just an AV connection though. The mains adapters.. yeesh

[22:01:49]

mzb:

yeah ... and hard to hide on a mantle piece ;)

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drac_boy:

mzb heh that was exactly the reason why I started building this htpc+audio box plan for a while...its almost halfway through on the first part now

[22:02:13]

mzb:

easy enough to get to for occasional events, but not suitable for permanent consoles being plugged in

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drac_boy:

just one single modest sized deck under the tv for almost everything including custom photo slideshows

[22:02:32]

drac_boy:

and the two speakers running off same box too

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mzb:

I've upgraded the BE+FE to 8 core recently, so she's plenty fast enough for everything I want to do

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wizbit:

im totally confused

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trumee:

i have found two variants of microsoft remotes, dont know which has prgrammable 'power' key. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Microsoft-Media-Cen . . . em1c23d53cea and http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 130649685993

[22:02:55]

wizbit:

this TV was donated to me for free: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KLV30HR3-30-XGA-LCD/dp/B000305656

[22:02:58]

justinh:

meh. just get a universal remote :-)

[22:03:04]

wizbit:

High Resolution Wide XGA LCD Panel (1280 x 768)

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** trumee doesnt want to splash money on harmony money if possible **

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wizbit:

however it only has scart inputs, scart can only handle 720 x 576

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trumee:

justinh: usually they are ugly

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justinh:

wouldn't splash any money on a harmony again

[22:03:30]

justinh:

MCE remotes are ugly too. remotes generally are

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drac_boy:

mzb and its even got dvdrw drive so hmm maybe being able to make a script to burn cdrw discs with the selected slideshow folder just in case the invited friends really liked it and wanted a copy for their computer etc

[22:03:45]

wizbit:

why advertise a TV as XGA when it only has scart inputs what can do 720 x 576 :-(

[22:03:50]

drac_boy:

this sure is fun to build so far heh

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trumee:

justinh: mine looks nice, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/File:Philips-remote.jpg

[22:04:08]

justinh:

although now it appears logitech now do 'device based' remotes & they've moved all the buttons to a rubber mat format I think

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trumee:

justinh: atleast to me :)

[22:04:30]

justinh:

so maybe my 515 didn't die in vain. blimmin useless button life

[22:04:31]

mzb:

drac_boy, getting a bit old these days, but take a look at dvdbaker if you want slideshows on dvd

[22:04:45]

mzb:

I might get around to rewriting it in python some day

[22:04:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

trumee: 1st one does (left power button is "TV Power") – 2nd one does not have the TV Power button.

[22:05:16]

justinh:

trumee: eeew. that doesn't even look ergonomic. Like a Sony remote

[22:05:35]

trumee:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks

[22:05:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

trumee: NP. I have three. ;-)

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drac_boy:

mzb nah I'm just going to use the plain ol' cdrtools suite

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drac_boy:

and its cdrw discs...not dvd btw :-p

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trumee:

justinh: it is better than my sony bravia and hauppauge remote

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mzb:

ah

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mzb:

nothing beats bluetooth, fwiw ;)

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16SAAQ7LU:

c

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justinh:

a lead box would :-)

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drac_boy:

mzb you mind private messages?

[22:06:56]

mzb:

np

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** justinh rubs his eyes. did somebody just *ask* if they could PM? OMG! **

[22:07:21]

mzb:

hehe

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justinh:

old skool IRC etiquette

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mzb:

which suits me fine ... I'm getting too old for most of the rude little boyz on the net ;)

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** drac_boy whacks justinh (its not oldskool its proper you silly spammer) **

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drac_boy:

heh

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bill6502:

wagnerrp: mythcorecontext.cpp:725 (ConfigureHostAddress) – Skipping address: 2001:DB8: ... here's the rest of them (I think) http://pastebin.com/F75CTayn

[22:08:41]

justinh:

that reminds me. the remote my wife prefers is getting long in the tooth (we have our own remotes, so stubbornly opposed to learning a remote with proper names on the buttons) ... so need to find an identical replacement

[22:08:59]

justinh:

drac_boy: OI!

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justinh:

it *is* old-fashioned. I think I can count on two fingers the amount of times I've seen somebody ask here

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wagnerrp:

ah, forgot about those, thanks

[22:09:54]

justinh:

really grinds my gears when people don't... but at least we don't see people doing much DCC requesting :-)

[22:10:19]

drac_boy:

heh heh

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trumee:

does anybody know if Tevii S480 drivers have been merged into kernel?

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bill6502:

wagnerrp: np, besides, I'd already removed the a-f = A-F comment from the Wiki

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J-e-f-f-A:

trumee: Here's how to program the TV Power, Vol + and Vol – buttons – only those three can be re-programmed. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#Programmable_Buttons

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trumee:

J-e-f-f-A: yes, seen that :)

[22:14:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

trumee: I just programmed the "TV Power" button, and left Vol+ and Vol- to Myth – but then again, I'm using 'analog' speakers right on the Myth box, not the TV speakers. ;-)

[22:14:51]

trumee:

J-e-f-f-A: that is my sort up too. Tv speaker (Sony Bravia) are pathetic

[22:16:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

I've got an old set of computer speakers (a Creative Soundworks 2.1 system) on my bedroom myth box. ;-) The small cubes are attached to the sides of the TV. ;-) It's MUCH louder/fuller sounding than the tv speakers. (Samsung 32" LCD) Especially with the subwoofer. ;-)

[22:17:37]

justinh:

bugs me when people are ever surprised that sound from flat, thin TVs is crap

[22:18:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Hehehe... I'm not surprised at all. ;-) I'm actually surprised when it's NOT. ;-) Things are getting better though – the days of a crappy mylar speaker in an LCD panel are pretty much over...

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mzb:

I've got some old speakers each the size of a bar fridge that I've built up over the last ~30 years ... can't find anything that will replace them and give me comparable sound

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehehehe.... Well, ttyl guys – off to work on a project. ;-)

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justinh:

haha! Found an exact replacement for the mrs' remote

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jya:

sphery: what are the risks in upgrading a mythtv 0.21 install into a 0.24-fixes in one go ?

[23:11:56]

sphery:

in theory, none

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jya:

i thought so too.. Actually I'm more worried about the linux upgrade

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sphery:

however, if the 0.21-fixes install has broken strings (invalid UTF-8), it may stop the upgrade

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jya:

he's running 8.04

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sphery:

definitely do a db backup before the upgrade and keep that pre-upgrade backup separate from any system/rotating backups

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jya:

it's the 0.21 with my VDPAU backports of back in the day

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sphery:

and I'd be happy to help if there's a string issue

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sphery:

yeah, I have a feeling that the OS upgrade will be more challenging than the mythtv one

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sphery:

especially since with an ubuntu install the database configuration is likely good

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jya:

cool.. he's coming over soon, the upgrade of linux is going to be the longest for sure.. you may be in bed by then.. but my google skills are up to scratch

[23:15:28]

jya:

I'm planning of copying all my videos files over. is there a way to extract the metadata of my video collection in one go? would be faster than running the grabber once again

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sphery:

chances are if there are string issues, they'll be in people or program

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sphery:

if so, you can just restore the pre-upgrade db backup (I highly recommend doing that any time any DB upgrade fails), then truncate people and/or program tables

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sphery:

jya: ^^^

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sphery:

people will be rebuilt (and without ugly broken "duplicates" that likely exist now) and mythfilldatabase will refill program

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jya:

well, I will wait to see if that fails before considering learning about it :)

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sphery:

hehe, yeah. here's hoping there are no upgrade failures (and a simple OS upgrade, too)

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Roklobsta:

my panasonic plasma TV speakers are perfectly cromulent.

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Roklobsta:

I don't want Dora the Explorer in 7.1 reveberating bass.

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jya:

damn, I like this new internet connection: XCode 4.3: 9.75MB/s ...

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ertyu-m:

but they just put out a 4.4

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jya:

xcode ? don't think so… 4.3 final was released last night, it's been in beta for a while though

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ertyu-m:

probably just a beta for 4.4, I haven't looked yet, but the news mentioned that in conjunction with mountain lion

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kormoc:

Xcode 4.4 Developer Preview for Mountain Lion Posted Date: February 16, 2011 Build: 4F90a

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jya:

yeah, I never use the developer preview

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jya:

they have the nasty habit of breaking everything

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jya:

I wonder how you compile external program now that /Developer is gone and it's a self contained application

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ertyu-m:

gotta be a gcc laying around somewhere

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sphery:

I thought with Mountain Lion/Gatekeeper, you aren't supposed to use any code that Apple doesn't give you... ;)

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kormoc:

sphery, you can turn that off (thankfully)

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sphery:

or would that be, "any code for which Apple hasn't received its 30%

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kormoc:

gcc is still in the bundle and executable just fine via a terminal

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jya:

the /Developer is located inside the package

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jya:

kormoc: sure, but how do you find its location? XCode can be moved with just one drag&drop now

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sphery:

yeah, they couldn't completely lock it down, yet, or else someone might notice... baby steps for now, then they'll have us right where they want us

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kormoc:

The same way you find any OS X application? And when you have the bundle path, you can go from there

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jya:

I ran the new 4.3, it asked if I wanted to delete 4.2 and the /Developer

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jya:

I did so, XCode 4.3 started

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jya:

xcode-select -print still shows the /Developer path

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ertyu-m:

nothing says they can't allow special exceptions for their own apps

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jya:

I fully uninstalled XCode (with sudo /Library/Developer/Shared/uninstall-devtools)

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kormoc:

xcode-select shows the correct path for mine

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jya:

re-ran XCode, it said it needed to install some files, did so.. but now no more gcc

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jya:

I had expected it would copy the gcc compilers

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kormoc:

You need to install the Command LIne Tools package

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jya:

kormoc: did you uninstall first ? otherwise it's more likely going to be remnant of your earlier install

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kormoc:

under Prefs -> Downloads -> Components

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jya:

ah

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jya:

cool, this is a much easier way

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jya:

that running the xcode installer before

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ertyu-m:

if only it weren't a >1GB download everytime

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kormoc:

It's not going to be anymore

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kormoc:

it's going to be using the app store update feature and in-app component updates

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jya:

well, 1.7GB is *muhc* better than the 3.5GB+ you had to download every 2 months

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jya:

I didn't want to use the App Store, had issue with my previous install.

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jya:

so I used the standalone installer instead

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ertyu-m:

I'm guessing they won't be putting out another version for 10.6

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ertyu-m:

not sure I want a $1,500 ipod

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jya:

ertyu-m: I felt the same… But I have to say Lion has been the most stable release of 10.X for me

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