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| [00:57:59] | jya: | so mythmusic uses storage group now? |
| [00:58:18] | jya: | is there any kind of configuration to be done before it works upgrading from 0.24? |
| [01:01:09] | wagnerrp: | i recall some remotefile commit to that extent a few days after paulh merged his stuff |
| [01:01:16] | wagnerrp: | but i dont not believe it is actually hooked up |
| [01:01:37] | jya: | ah ok.. so still need local access to the files.. |
| [01:01:53] | wagnerrp: | are you referring to 0966a98b5b67ad ? |
| [01:02:14] | jya: | does activating airplay require a special extra lib not available by default ? |
| [01:02:35] | wagnerrp: | avahi, plus theres a environmental flag |
| [01:04:26] | wagnerrp: | not entirely sure what its purpose is... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/31676f63498 |
| [01:04:43] | jya: | yeah, I started mythfrontend with that flag |
| [01:05:19] | wagnerrp: | when you configure, make sure it says dns_sd is enabled |
| [01:05:41] | wagnerrp: | there was a bit of a mess when i committed the server pool stuff a few days back |
| [01:05:52] | wagnerrp: | i hadnt actually been compiling the airplay stuff |
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| [01:06:04] | wagnerrp: | and nether had any of the other build slaves, besides the OSX one |
| [01:06:49] | jya: | well, I guess it's active now |
| [01:06:50] | jya: | RAOP Device: Created RAOP device objects. |
| [01:07:12] | jya: | ohhh… and it shows up in itunes |
| [01:07:15] | wagnerrp: | according to See ker`, it works, but is a bit intermittent |
| [01:07:31] | jya: | oh well : "An error occurred while connecting to the AirPlay device “MythTV on mythtv-Macminiâ€. An unknown error occurred (-15103)." |
| [01:08:35] | wagnerrp: | ive been completely unable to test it with regards to the serverpool stuff |
| [01:08:44] | wagnerrp: | i cant even get bonjour to play nice on freebsd |
| [01:09:02] | jya: | i can see in the log that it is receiving info, creating a connection |
| [01:09:26] | jya: | it opens the audio channel in stereo 44.1kHz |
| [01:09:43] | jya: | then RAOP Device: Removing client connection. |
| [01:09:53] | jya: | too bad markk isn't there |
| [01:09:59] | jya: | would have been nice to get this working |
| [01:13:28] | wagnerrp: | hes made several commits against it since, which iamlindoro pulled in |
| [01:13:47] | wagnerrp: | hes got a fork on github |
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| [01:14:31] | wagnerrp: | not unsurprisingly, the first thing he did was rip out Xv, the Qt painter, and a handful of other things he wanted to do since the start of the OSD rewrite |
| [01:15:02] | ** wagnerrp heads back out ** | |
| [01:15:47] | jya: | i've watched his fork every few days… too bad he did such massive changes so quickly, because we can't merge them back in while in feature freeze mode |
| [01:28:54] | jya: | it's quite impressive how quickly iTunes notice that there's an airplay device on the network |
| [01:29:14] | jya: | within a second of starting mythfrontend, the airtunes logo appears on my laptop |
| [01:29:34] | jya: | and disappear when quit |
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| [01:30:41] | r000t: | Hello, is it possible to set up mythbackend on a CLI only (server) Ubuntu installation? |
| [01:31:05] | r000t: | I'm going to have frontends all over the house but I figure I could install the backend on my existing server box |
| [01:31:13] | jya: | r000t: I set mythbackend remotely over a ssh connection with an X client running on my lapotp |
| [01:31:39] | r000t: | So there's no way to do it with just one box? |
| [01:31:42] | jya: | so you can install mythbackend on your server box. Then from any frontent |
| [01:31:50] | jya: | ssh -X name_server |
| [01:31:55] | [R]: | r000t: you just said you have frontends... so thats not one box... |
| [01:32:20] | jya: | and start mythtb-backend from remotely.. this will work fine and that's how I do it |
| [01:32:39] | jya: | mythtv-setup I meant |
| [01:32:46] | r000t: | The goal is that any of the front ends can be turned off when not in use |
| [01:32:56] | [R]: | thats the ponit of mythtv |
| [01:34:02] | r000t: | So, if I start mythbackend this way, will it exit when I shut the "X host" off/ |
| [01:34:20] | [R]: | you only need X to set it up |
| [01:34:22] | [R]: | you set it up once |
| [01:34:27] | r000t: | ah |
| [01:34:29] | r000t: | oh |
| [01:34:35] | jya: | mythbackend doesn't require a X connection |
| [01:34:37] | jya: | only the setup |
| [01:34:42] | r000t: | so I can use my desktop box to configure it and then start it from the CLI |
| [01:34:42] | jya: | and soon you won't even need that |
| [01:35:03] | jya: | it's a daemon, it works in the background. |
| [01:35:12] | jya: | it has no GUI as such |
| [01:35:19] | r000t: | One last question: How much RAM does mythbackend need, assuming I'm not going to use any real tuner card (yet) |
| [01:35:32] | r000t: | The CableCARD units are really expensive... |
| [01:35:36] | [R]: | you're going to use fake tuner cards? |
| [01:35:47] | r000t: | the FAQ mentioned a dummy-card to appease the backend |
| [01:35:52] | [R]: | so why are you using myth |
| [01:35:55] | [R]: | if you aren't recording anything |
| [01:35:56] | r000t: | DVD library |
| [01:36:03] | [R]: | myth is a dvr |
| [01:36:23] | r000t: | I might pipe a cable box to it later, but for now I'd just like to try out video playback |
| [01:36:36] | r000t: | brb |
| [01:37:12] | jya: | r000t: the closest thing to a mythback with no tuner, is set an internet one |
| [01:38:14] | jya: | You select the FreeBox one in the list when creating a card. then you can do whatever you want |
| [01:38:25] | jya: | as far as mythbackend is concerned, it will have a card |
| [01:38:26] | jya: | http://avenard.org/iptv/TPG_and_IPTV/MythTV.html |
| [01:39:03] | r000t: | Internet... tuner? |
| [01:39:07] | jya: | that's an article I wrote for 0.21 on how to setup IPTV for my ISP.. but that will work for everyone |
| [01:39:30] | jya: | you need a capture card, be it a DVB card, or cable card or … an Internet TV stream |
| [01:39:58] | jya: | obviously things like LiveTV will not work in your case, as the IPTV doesn't really exist |
| [01:40:05] | jya: | but it's enough to get mythbackend started |
| [01:40:35] | jya: | so when starting mythtv-setup, and you go to create a new card, select FREEBOX in the list |
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| [01:41:22] | jya: | FREEBOX is a misnomer these days, it was created for French people who had a particular ISP called Free that gave them a "Freebox" which broadcast hundreds of TV channels over their dsl connection |
| [01:41:37] | jya: | should be called IPTV imho |
| [01:42:15] | r000t: | Okay. One last question, a little complex. In the ideal setup, I have about 8 frontends and 2 tuner cards with the same coaxial feed. No more than 2 people will be watching live TV at any given time. Can MythTV be used to share the tuners across whoever is watching/recording TV? |
| [01:42:34] | [R]: | the backend does all the scheduling |
| [01:42:44] | [R]: | if you are recording, you are using a tuner |
| [01:42:51] | [R]: | if you try livetv, it'll grab the first tuner according to priorities |
| [01:43:01] | [R]: | if you have no tuners free, you cna't record, you cant' watch livetv |
| [01:44:34] | r000t: | perfect |
| [01:45:06] | r000t: | now what if all tuners are in use, but a 3rd frontend requests a channel that, say, tuner0 already happens to be streaming |
| [01:45:37] | [R]: | if its an analog tuner, it'll say all tuners are in use |
| [01:45:48] | [R]: | if its a digital tuner, you'll be able to tune to the same multiplex |
| [01:46:38] | [R]: | but if you want to watch the same thing |
| [01:46:41] | [R]: | you can just go watch the recording |
| [01:47:59] | r000t: | Comcast is all digital now |
| [01:48:05] | jya: | r000t: if they have started watching something, the 3rd frontend can watch what they are watching |
| [01:48:08] | r000t: | but I hear the local channels, all we watch anyway, are unscrambled |
| [01:48:38] | r000t: | Now, should have asked this up front, and it's probably not an issue, but can MythTV communicate over IPv6? |
| [01:48:40] | jya: | as soon as anyone start watching liveTV, it actually creates a recording, which you can watch |
| [01:48:51] | jya: | r000t: 0.25 will be able to yes |
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| [02:12:25] | r000t: | If I install .24 now, and then .25 is released later, how hard would it be to upgrade? |
| [02:13:26] | [R]: | remove 24 |
| [02:13:27] | [R]: | install 25 |
| [02:13:31] | [R]: | restart backend |
| [02:13:32] | [R]: | profit |
| [02:15:16] | r000t: | amazing. what would be wrong with using 25pre? |
| [02:15:34] | [R]: | who said there was anythign wrong with it? |
| [02:15:43] | [R]: | the same applies to taht as anythign thats nto released |
| [02:15:47] | [R]: | when it braeks, you get to keep all the peices |
| [02:15:54] | [R]: | althoug hteh yare in a freeze right now (or in a few days) |
| [02:16:30] | [R]: | and if you are using non release, and dont fololow the commits and mls, no one will take pitty on you when things are broken |
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| [02:20:18] | r000t: | If the upgrade is delete old, install new, then keeping up should be as simple as that |
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| [02:47:46] | r000t: | [R], what DVD ripping software would you recommend? |
| [02:47:59] | [R]: | i wouldn't, seeing as it has nothing to do with myth, and this is #mythtv-users |
| [02:52:12] | jya: | still , mythtv users are probably experienced in the matter |
| [02:52:19] | jya: | I use handbrake |
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| [02:58:12] | skd5aner: | dependson how you want to "rip"... |
| [02:58:31] | skd5aner: | if you want to rip the main title, look no further than handbrake... |
| [02:58:57] | skd5aner: | if you want to rip the whole disc as an iso, there's a ton of options, but you want to rip it unencrypted... google "anydvd"... |
| [02:59:05] | skd5aner: | there's a ton of other options too |
| [03:08:26] | r000t: | Well, ripping the ISO is just a dd away |
| [03:08:37] | r000t: | But unless MythTV knows how to deal with that, that's not good |
| [03:10:49] | skd5aner: | well... it can and it can't... |
| [03:11:13] | skd5aner: | without going into too much detail, mythtv can handle unencrypted ISOs with no problems.... |
| [03:11:26] | skd5aner: | it can handle encrypted ISOs in certain circumstances |
| [03:12:34] | skd5aner: | therefore, if you want ISOs, it's recommended that they at least be ripped decrypted, so you don't have to worry about will it or won't it work |
| [03:13:05] | skd5aner: | (hence, using something like AnyDVD or DVD Decrypter or any of the other multitude of options can can create ISOs with the encryption removed) |
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| [03:13:34] | skd5aner: | that said – it's outside of myth's pervue, so I'm sure you can find the best recommendations out there |
| [03:14:25] | tweek__: | on the subject, I'm guessing that automating the process of ripping TV season DVDs, automatically finding the actual episodes and not the commentary track or whatever |
| [03:14:36] | tweek__: | that'd be a bit more trouble than it's worth? |
| [03:14:57] | skd5aner: | depends on your definition of "trouble" and "worth" :) |
| [03:15:17] | skd5aner: | but, it usually takes quite a bit of effort – but again, handbrake would be the recommended route there |
| [03:15:23] | tweek__: | would be cool if I could apply these same transcoding tools to the dozens of TV boxed sets I have access to here |
| [03:15:51] | skd5aner: | if you do rip "episodic" dvds, such as TV shows, then the metadata capabilities in 0.24 and 0.25 will make a really nice experience for you |
| [03:16:09] | tweek__: | I'm really liking Python MythTV.ttvdb |
| [03:16:19] | tweek__: | you don't seem to even need MythTV installed (e.g. Windows) to use it |
| [03:16:51] | tweek__: | I have a Python program that automatically can obtain a file from a MythTV backend, along with its program info if any |
| [03:16:59] | tweek__: | query that source, get even more metadata |
| [03:17:26] | tweek__: | then clip commercials (if specified in the cutlist) and extract closed captions |
| [03:17:39] | tweek__: | make iOS-compatible chapter markers at each cut |
| [03:18:11] | tweek__: | transcode the entire thing to H.264 MPEG-4, embed the metadata as iOS-compatible atoms |
| [03:19:19] | skd5aner: | nice |
| [03:19:53] | tweek__: | would never have been able to do it without wagner's excellent MythTV bindings, or about a dozen other tools |
| [03:20:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | heh, sphery – thanks again – it's odd to see 'just' 12 recordings a day... ;-) I'm sure my HDDs are happier too. ;-) |
| [03:21:21] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [03:21:28] | sphery: | and you don't want to upset your HDDs, now |
| [03:38:37] | ** wagnerrp is evolving... ** | |
| [03:38:44] | ** wagnerrp has learned Fear Of Habenero ** | |
| [03:38:49] | ** wagnerrp has lost Vision ** | |
| [03:42:06] | jya: | wagnerrp: as you know everything there is to know computer wise |
| [03:42:26] | jya: | looking at putting a SSD in my backend (main disk is starting to give smart error) |
| [03:42:48] | jya: | between Intel 320 and 520 60GB drive ? which one would you go for? |
| [03:43:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: I did that on my backend about a year ago now – just the OS & DB – but made a massive difference, especially with mythweb. ;-) (I have a BIG database) |
| [03:43:57] | jya: | i'm not expecting much difference other than for booting.. and I never reboot that machine (well, I'm trying not to) |
| [03:44:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: DB access will be MUCH faster. ;-) |
| [03:44:27] | jya: | despite whatever I read, I put the database on my raid 5 |
| [03:44:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | eek. |
| [03:44:37] | jya: | I do over 200MB/s write on that raid array |
| [03:44:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Although, if it's a hardware raid with cache ram, ok. ;-) |
| [03:44:52] | jya: | mdadm |
| [03:45:04] | jya: | been going on for years. |
| [03:45:17] | jya: | but yeah, I'm looking at a relatively cheap SSD |
| [03:45:36] | jya: | I wand to avoid the OCZ one, keep reading horror stories about the vertex 3 |
| [03:45:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: As an example, with 500+ channels, the listings on mythweb would take 20–30 seconds over an internet link to come up. With the SSD – about 4 seconds. ;-) |
| [03:45:52] | jya: | intel has a 5 years warranty which I like |
| [03:45:59] | jya: | I only have about 12 channesl :) |
| [03:46:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | I have the OCZ Vertex2 and haven't had any issues at all – but don't have any experience with any others yet... |
| [03:46:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Mine is only 60GB. |
| [03:46:21] | jya: | and a refresh right now, takes about the time to click :) |
| [03:46:30] | jya: | yeah, I figure this will be good enough |
| [03:46:47] | jya: | on my new frontend, a 2010 mac mini, I put a 40GB intel X25 SSD |
| [03:46:51] | ** J-e-f-f-A peers at the smart data for the OCZ... ** | |
| [03:46:56] | jya: | and I only made the linux partition 10Gig |
| [03:47:06] | jya: | (only 3.5gig in use), the rest is still on macos |
| [03:47:07] | wagnerrp: | jya: the problem with databases and barriers is that you need to write each and every transaction directly to the platter to ensure atomic operation |
| [03:47:50] | jya: | ah , you're talking turbo encabulator again |
| [03:47:51] | wagnerrp: | the problem when you combine that with RAID5 is that all of those transactions are going to be well below the stripe size, so you will often end up reading the data from the disk, recalculating parity, and the writing back out to the whole array |
| [03:48:04] | jya: | i understand that |
| [03:48:11] | wagnerrp: | you dont need much sequential throughput (which RAID5 has in gobs) |
| [03:48:22] | wagnerrp: | but you do need very low latency (which RAID5 is worse than a single drive) |
| [03:48:36] | jya: | but as speed as never seem to been an issue, aI was more concerned with safety |
| [03:48:45] | jya: | so RAID5 was my preference |
| [03:48:47] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs as he mistypes 'munin' and gets his space-invaders 404 page that he 'borrowed' from http://www.incan.co.uk/404.html hehehehe ** | |
| [03:48:57] | jya: | in fact, *everything* runs off my 8TB raid array |
| [03:50:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | meh... seems my SSD doesn't report valid data via 'smart' for power-on-hours and such... grr... |
| [03:51:04] | jya: | in any case, if I was to get a SSD, I would move everything other than video content on the SSD |
| [03:51:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | That's what I did. ;-) |
| [03:51:22] | jya: | mysql, apache and all my other gadgets I run there.. in particular my power monitor htpc.avenard.org/power |
| [03:51:37] | tweek__: | getting jalapeno / habanero / serrano residue on contact lenses is the worst ever |
| [03:51:40] | jya: | so I'm looking at something reliable that will last me for years |
| [03:51:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: I'd be willing to bet you'll se a HUGE difference in boot time, mythweb response, etc. |
| [03:51:59] | jya: | the intel 520 60GB is $158 , 80,000 iops and 5 years warranty |
| [03:52:15] | jya: | but the 320 80GB is $149, 5 years warranty (doesn't state the iops) |
| [03:52:21] | jya: | not sure what impact iops really makes |
| [03:52:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: even frontend response improved a bit – it access the DB directly too... ;-) |
| [03:52:44] | jya: | ideally, I would have liked a PCI-e ssd, I got one for work, but they cost at least twice as much as the sata version |
| [03:53:31] | ** J-e-f-f-A has flashbacks to the days of battery-backed ram-disks on a PCI card... ;-) ** | |
| [03:53:44] | jya: | though, I think I could pinch the one I took for work, it's used a cache for the big ZFS array ; and they are migrating everything to a windows machine now |
| [03:54:14] | jya: | the PCIe OCZ, is rated at like 600MB/s write, 900MB/s with like 140000 iops |
| [03:54:27] | jya: | but minimum capacity is 120GB for $480 here |
| [03:54:37] | jya: | that's 3 times as much the SATA |
| [03:54:43] | jya: | and I don't need 120GB |
| [03:54:50] | jya: | even 60 is way too much |
| [03:55:43] | jya: | 0.8W the 60GB 520 |
| [03:55:44] | jya: | cool |
| [03:56:17] | jya: | does linux support the hardware encryption of those drive? |
| [03:57:23] | ** wagnerrp wants to drown his eyes in sour cream ** | |
| [03:58:25] | tweek__: | get a glass of water or something, turn it upside-down and put it directly over your eye |
| [03:58:45] | tweek__: | also get a tablecloth or something and wipe as much of that stuff out |
| [04:00:29] | jya: | i wonder with big access to the database is why when playing a bluray via myth through VMWare + AnyDVD gives me pauses every 30 minutes or so |
| [04:00:47] | jya: | wagnerrp: what's wrong with your eye? |
| [04:01:06] | jya: | don't you have saline drops ? |
| [04:01:14] | wagnerrp: | the fear was put in it, by a habenero pepper |
| [04:01:25] | jya: | ouch... |
| [04:01:47] | wagnerrp: | meh, im pretty much fine now |
| [04:01:48] | jya: | human is poorly designed really.. eyes are still too close to the mouth |
| [04:02:04] | jya: | aiming is still difficult for some :) |
| [04:02:18] | wagnerrp: | made the mistake of scratching my cheek, after chopping up a pair of them to make chili |
| [04:02:39] | wagnerrp: | made the further mistake of removing my contacts |
| [04:03:01] | tweek__: | if you didn't remove them |
| [04:03:06] | tweek__: | you'd probably be throwing them away |
| [04:03:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but i could have left my hands under the sink a bit longer first |
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| [04:04:04] | jya: | interesting chilli.. it's actually all in your head… it doesn't have any physical properties that would cause damage |
| [04:04:19] | jya: | it's like in Dune, when he fits is hand in the box |
| [04:05:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: eh? I had some chicken wings with "Mango & Habenero sauce" from Dominoes a couple of weeks ago, and that was INSANE! |
| [04:05:53] | wagnerrp: | well there was pretty imminent peril to his eye at that point too |
| [04:06:02] | jya: | it's only a nervous stimulation |
| [04:06:09] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: hes saying theres no real damage being done |
| [04:06:09] | tweek__: | I once boiled some dried chilis, removed the seeds with my hands |
| [04:06:32] | tweek__: | about an hour in, there was a portion of my shoulders that felt and looked as if I'd been out in the sun for eight hours |
| [04:06:48] | tweek__: | a day afterward, the skin off the back of my hands started to peel away |
| [04:06:49] | jya: | it hurts like crazy, but the pain is only because of the reaction of your nervous system… it doesn't cause any damage of any kind.. other than inducing pain |
| [04:07:18] | tweek__: | there are chilis which can cause people to go into shock and potentially die |
| [04:07:31] | jya: | the body still reacts like it had been in an agression, so increased blood flow etc.. hence when it's red |
| [04:07:42] | tweek__: | saying 'it's all an allergic response' or 'it's all in your head' kind-of misses the point |
| [04:07:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | heh, perhaps... |
| [04:07:54] | jya: | just the same as a placebo actually cure many people |
| [04:08:14] | jya: | didn't say it's an allergic response |
| [04:08:54] | r000t: | I find it strange that the Mythbuntu LiveCD asks for a security key but never for the IP address |
| [04:09:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | I know that once (in the early 90's?) I was working off-site doing a performance test for one of our big stock-market customers, and we had ordered Chinese takeout... I think I got the "General's Chicken" or similar, and made the mistake of biting into one of the 'whole' tiny red peppers... |
| [04:09:28] | jya: | I heard that dog has totally incencitive to Capsaicin |
| [04:09:32] | tgm4883: | r000t, that would be because of zeroconf |
| [04:09:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | All I can say is that I was PHYSICALLY burned – my tongue, lip, chin, etc... even after drinking about 120oz of eggnog... ouch. |
| [04:10:07] | r000t: | "Could not find database credentials" |
| [04:10:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: It's finding the backend via UPnP. |
| [04:10:09] | jya: | J-e-f-f-A: again, it's only a nervous stimulation information you that you are in pain... |
| [04:10:23] | r000t: | I thought the backend does all the SQL |
| [04:10:41] | jya: | r000t: each client access the database directly |
| [04:10:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: I beg to differ in that case- I had physical burns/blisters from that little red pepper and the oil that squirted out of it. |
| [04:11:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: that may be the case with Habenero peppers, but not what was in that chinese dish! |
| [04:11:37] | jya: | J-e-f-f-A: how your body will react upon the stimulation vary per people… |
| [04:12:05] | jya: | it's the Capsaicin that is responsible it… higher concentration of one in another |
| [04:12:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | so it's "all in my mind"? heh. |
| [04:12:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've tried the "Capsaicin" cream for my feet (Diabetic Neuropothy), and it didn't help... I didn't even feel it on my feet, but it burned the heck out of my hands... |
| [04:13:45] | jya: | well, there's no doubt that you can die for submitting to too many |
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| [04:13:55] | jya: | people have died from capsicum spray |
| [04:14:41] | jya: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsaicin#Mechanism_of_action |
| [04:14:57] | jya: | "hus, capsaicin does not actually cause a chemical burn, or indeed any direct tissue damage at all, when chili peppers are the source of exposure. The inflammation resulting from exposure to Capsaicin is believed to be the result of the body's reaction to nerve excitement." |
| [04:15:00] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: the body reacts to the capsaicin as if it actually had undergone damage |
| [04:15:04] | r000t: | Is there a way to see debug output of the liveCD session? |
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| [04:15:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: BTW – I'm really sorry that cheap "raid" card didn't work in your case [quite some time ago now] – it worked well for me, that's the only reason I even suggested it. |
| [04:15:08] | r000t: | I want to know what's going wrong |
| [04:15:21] | wagnerrp: | it thinks it has burned, so it takes healing measures as if it had been burned |
| [04:15:29] | jya: | J-e-f-f-A: I still have the card lying around |
| [04:15:57] | jya: | it's quite a facinating chemical, re-reading about it |
| [04:16:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: I felt like *bleep* when it didn't work for you, and just before your vacation... d'oh. :-( |
| [04:16:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp & jya – that's crazy... wow. |
| [04:16:30] | jya: | oh… I had erased that part of my memory |
| [04:16:48] | jya: | i remember know |
| [04:16:50] | jya: | f#@#$#@ card |
| [04:16:56] | ** J-e-f-f-A ducks ** | |
| [04:17:03] | jya: | in the end, I had to buy 6 more drives |
| [04:17:16] | jya: | and mirror the whole array |
| [04:17:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | ouch. |
| [04:17:31] | jya: | took me 12 hours straight, 3 hours before flying away |
| [04:18:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | When I lost my raid5 several years ago (2008?), I just switched to individual drives with Storage groups... even spending hours with iam... didn't recover it. (lost 1 drive, had re-booted to install a new drive, and a 2nd one went into click-of-death mode... d'oh!) |
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| [04:19:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Knowing what I do now, I would have hot-swapped a drive in, then rebuilt the raid on that instead of re-booting. :-( |
| [04:19:13] | jya: | yeah, but that was for our ZFS array at work |
| [04:19:16] | jya: | no myth there |
| [04:19:46] | jya: | http://www.anandtech.com/show/5508/intel-ssd- . . . -sandforce/4 |
| [04:19:53] | jya: | amazing the variation in performance of SSD |
| [04:20:10] | jya: | and the problem it all varies between test cases |
| [04:21:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: heh, they're probably all faster than a physical HDD though. ;-) |
| [04:21:56] | r000t: | Is it safe to change the "BackendIP" value from 127.0.0.1? |
| [04:22:08] | wagnerrp: | sure, why wouldnt it be? |
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| [04:22:18] | [R]: | r000t: if you weren't supposed to change it... why would it be an option? |
| [04:22:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: Yes, and if you're going to have remote frontends, you should set your backend to have a static IP too. ;-) |
| [04:22:29] | wagnerrp: | of course, the backend IP must match the master IP on whatever host is the master |
| [04:22:40] | r000t: | I see a masterIP option set to 127.0.0.1 |
| [04:22:51] | r000t: | Thats what tipped me off to maybe things might break if I change this |
| [04:22:51] | [R]: | r000t: more importantly, did you bother to read the documentation? |
| [04:22:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: set them both to your 'real' ip. |
| [04:22:58] | [R]: | and please don't answer it... i already know the answer |
| [04:22:59] | r000t: | I've been trying |
| [04:23:21] | r000t: | It would REALLY help if your wiki had a search function that was ALWAYS there |
| [04:23:23] | jya: | J-e-f-f-A: SSD doesn't always mean much faster |
| [04:23:26] | r000t: | only on some pages does it show up |
| [04:23:38] | [R]: | r000t: no searching needed |
| [04:23:39] | jya: | the biggest surprise was compiling mythtv on my 3.4GHz i7–2600 iMac |
| [04:23:43] | [R]: | r000t: click "user manual"... read it |
| [04:23:45] | [R]: | problem solved |
| [04:23:55] | jya: | 22 minutes |
| [04:24:05] | jya: | (with no ccache) |
| [04:24:16] | jya: | with SSD and HDD, it took *exactly* the same amount of time |
| [04:24:21] | jya: | to the seconds |
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| [04:24:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: Yeah, I hear you. It's blazingly fast on my backend with the SSD too. [quad core AMD 640 3Ghz with 8GB ram) |
| [04:25:07] | jya: | i would have expected that reading the file and writing the object would be a big part of the compilation… but 0 difference |
| [04:25:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | oh, actually it was much faster on my system with SSD. |
| [04:25:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: Also, I compile with 8 threads. ;-) |
| [04:25:38] | jya: | the 22 minutes includes compiling all the dependencies (Qt, mysql etc) |
| [04:25:58] | jya: | compiling just myth is less than 2 minutes on that machine |
| [04:26:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah, I just compile myth and the plugins. ;-) |
| [04:26:19] | jya: | and if ccache is there, it takes 18s on SSD |
| [04:26:21] | jya: | 19s on HD |
| [04:26:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | I can say that my mythfilldatabase is about 5x faster with the SSD than physical HDD. (but I also have 500+ channels) |
| [04:26:34] | jya: | that's after a make clean |
| [04:26:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | wow |
| [04:27:00] | wagnerrp: | presumably that would be a make; make clean; make? |
| [04:27:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | 19s? jeesh... |
| [04:27:18] | jya: | so yes, in my experience SSD makes a massive difference to boot, start an application |
| [04:27:21] | jya: | after that |
| [04:27:22] | wagnerrp: | should take longer than that just to churn through all those files |
| [04:27:23] | [R]: | J-e-f-f-A: you should just put your db in a tmpfs |
| [04:27:24] | ** [R] snickers ** | |
| [04:27:29] | jya: | wagnerrp: that would be make ; make clean |
| [04:27:33] | jya: | then time make |
| [04:27:44] | wagnerrp: | oh, on an SSD, not a hard drive |
| [04:27:46] | wagnerrp: | missed that bit |
| [04:27:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: hehehe... it's fine on the SSD ;-) massively faster than HDD, virtually no latency. ;-) |
| [04:27:57] | [R]: | just imagine it being in a tmpfs! |
| [04:28:07] | jya: | wagnerrp: on either… compiling makes no difference, with result cached or not |
| [04:28:16] | r000t: | I'm reading the manual, and it says I need to configure the SQL information in the frontend... Why can't it grab that from the backend? |
| [04:29:09] | [R]: | if upnp is working, it generally does |
| [04:29:55] | jya: | problem with the wiki and the doc, I'd say a majority is obsolete |
| [04:30:03] | r000t: | Oh... found the big problem |
| [04:30:12] | r000t: | I set the SQL user so it could only be used locally |
| [04:30:13] | jya: | i haven't had to configure anything in the frontend in years |
| [04:30:28] | jya: | usually it just is a matter of starting it, it finds the backend itself |
| [04:30:43] | jya: | the only configuration ever required is on the backend machine |
| [04:31:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: if it's asking you for the PIN, it's already found it via UPnP, and you should only have to enter the PIN – but that's also assuming you changed your backend to use the 'real' IP and not 127.0.0.1 and bounced it. ;-) |
| [04:31:11] | jya: | in the frontend, all you do are tweaks to make things better, but nothing significant |
| [04:31:42] | r000t: | I changed the IP address and used upstart to restart the backend |
| [04:31:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | In years past, we didn't have the UPnP functionality, and you had to edit a small file locally to tell it how to connect to the mysql db on the backend. |
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| [04:32:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: Well, you've got me beat by a long shot – I just did a 'make disclean' then ".configure --previous" then a "time make -j 8" and it's still running (about a minute ago...) |
| [04:32:52] | r000t: | It's still giving SQL connect errors |
| [04:33:19] | jya: | J-e-f-f-A: unfortunately, I can't do that test anymore… I upgraded to Lion |
| [04:33:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: depending on the distro, you may have to manually setup remote access to your mysql db. |
| [04:33:25] | jya: | and I can't compile in Lion |
| [04:33:40] | jya: | I now compiile in a VMWare 10.6 machine |
| [04:33:43] | jya: | talking about this. |
| [04:33:49] | jya: | I put the image there for anyone interested |
| [04:33:53] | r000t: | is Ubuntu one of them? |
| [04:34:00] | jya: | http://www.avenard.org/files/mac/ |
| [04:34:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: I'll let you know what it comes up with... this machine is also running the backend now and doing recording and commflagging too... it's my main backend. |
| [04:34:39] | jya: | i ran the benchmarks back in June last year |
| [04:34:52] | jya: | right after I returned the iMac to order one with a 256GB SSD |
| [04:34:57] | jya: | at a $800 extra |
| [04:35:14] | jya: | only to find out, that it made no difference to 90% of my computer usage: programming and compiling |
| [04:36:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: probably – this site is farily old, but much of the data is still very valid — go here http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php and scroll down about 2/3 of the way to "Remote front-ends" and take a look at that – adjust for your subnet, etc, but that should fix the remote frontend(s) if that's the issue... |
| [04:36:05] | tweek__: | faster access to the hard drive doesn't improve build speed? |
| [04:36:24] | wagnerrp: | presumably, he builds on a faster machine |
| [04:36:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | although ubuntu – you may just need to grab the randomly-generate pw out of a txt file on the backend... |
| [04:37:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: ^^ I don't run Ubuntu (Fedora here), but I think it's in the mysql.txt file or something – google should help you. ;-) |
| [04:37:38] | jya: | tweek__: this imac has a very fast process (i7–2600K), processor speed I found was the main criteria.. and by far |
| [04:37:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: ouch, still going... it's been a few mins already! d'oh! |
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| [04:37:53] | jya: | but is that your first make? |
| [04:38:10] | jya: | the 19s bit is after I have done a make already… so everything is in ccache |
| [04:38:32] | jya: | if I build after removing the ~/.ccache directory, takes a couple of minute |
| [04:38:55] | jya: | though I could always reboot my imac under ubuntu and try again... |
| [04:39:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: Ah, this was after a "make distclean' – so completly virgin. ;-) |
| [04:39:35] | jya: | make distclean may not be a "virgin" |
| [04:39:43] | jya: | if you have done it once before |
| [04:39:51] | ** [R] snickers ** | |
| [04:39:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | all 4 cpus are pegged at 100%, and my load average is 9.56 8.68 4.82 ;-) |
| [04:40:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | On a positive note, I'm only using 3.8GB of my 8GB of ram. ;-) |
| [04:40:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | and 0 Bytes of Swap. ;-) |
| [04:41:48] | jya: | the 2nd time will be *much* faster, as by default myth compile with ccache |
| [04:42:07] | jya: | going to get the 60GB 520 intel after reading this http://www.anandtech.com/show/5508/intel-ssd- . . . -sandforce/1 |
| [04:42:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya – ok, just finished. real 11m47.733s |
| [04:42:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | user 35m30.624s |
| [04:42:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | sys 2m56.639s |
| [04:42:36] | jya: | let me reboot my mac in a minute after I order the SSD |
| [04:42:39] | jya: | and I let you know |
| [04:42:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | [woops, mean to put that on one line...d'oh!] |
| [04:42:46] | jya: | now do a make clean |
| [04:42:48] | jya: | and make again |
| [04:43:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | running... |
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| [04:45:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | my load average is lower – 7.95 7.21 5.57 ... |
| [04:48:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya – less than half the time... real 4m32.622s user 10m6.658s sys 1m5.317s |
| [04:48:51] | jya: | allright let me go back to my desk |
| [04:49:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | And this system is also my master backend, so mythbackend and a few commflags are running too, so I think that's pretty respectable. ;-) hehe |
| [04:50:37] | jya: | is that master of xies/0.24? |
| [04:51:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: any luck yet? ;-) (I'm about to hit the hay – it's coming up on Midnight and I've got to be up in 7 hrs... D'oh!) |
| [04:51:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: 0.24-fixes – pulled last-night. |
| [04:51:48] | r000t: | I'm trying not to blame the software but the setup was less than helpful |
| [04:51:58] | r000t: | and the wiki has very little to say about MySQL |
| [04:52:19] | r000t: | The mythTV user can be hit from any internet address, ever. |
| [04:52:28] | r000t: | I'm about to test it from a netherlands VPS |
| [04:52:45] | r000t: | There's absolutely nothing stopping the frontend from connecting |
| [04:52:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: eh? Umm... over the nternet? |
| [04:52:53] | jya: | hum… my BT moth doesn't work under linux |
| [04:52:56] | jya: | mouse |
| [04:53:04] | wagnerrp: | r000t: well youre not supposed to put mythtv or a mysql server on the internet |
| [04:53:10] | jya: | need to find a mouse |
| [04:53:24] | r000t: | I know. What I'm saying is, the SQL server is NOT limiting the user in that way |
| [04:53:38] | wagnerrp: | in what way? |
| [04:53:59] | r000t: | When I created the user, I made it only accessible over localhost |
| [04:54:06] | r000t: | I just changed it to %, any address |
| [04:54:15] | r000t: | Just to remove that as a factor |
| [04:54:26] | r000t: | When everything's working, I'll limit it to 192.168.1.% |
| [04:54:27] | jya: | gosh, I had forgotten on how non-intuitive the new ubuntu desktop is |
| [04:54:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: You shoudl have your Myth system behind a firewall, or minimally behind a simple home router – you don't want it direcly accessble via the Internet, unless you carefully open a port for MythWeb or something, and password-protect it. |
| [04:54:48] | r000t: | It's behind a SOHO router |
| [04:55:08] | wagnerrp: | note, there is exactly _zero_ security on mythtv's internal communications protocol |
| [04:55:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: Yeah, so you don't want to make your Myth server the "DMZ" of your home router, or that's the same as putting it directly on the internet – and that's BAD. |
| [04:56:12] | r000t: | It's DMZ for other reasons entirely |
| [04:56:26] | r000t: | The same box hosts a Minecraft server, a Source dedicated server, and Apache |
| [04:57:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | So presumably you're running a firewall within Ubuntu, and have it locked down appropriately? |
| [04:57:40] | r000t: | No, but I'll have IPtables kill traffic for MythTV outside the local network after I get the front end working |
| [04:57:54] | r000t: | I want to remove anything that might cause connection troubles, then I'll add things in one by one until it breaks |
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| [04:58:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: optimally, you'd have a system dedicated as a MythTV backend... I try to not run much else on my backend other than MythTV ;-) |
| [04:58:59] | r000t: | It's a sufficiently powerful system |
| [04:59:12] | r000t: | I'm also just trying out MythTV |
| [04:59:19] | jya: | where are the settings in this ubuntu unity? |
| [04:59:20] | r000t: | If I like it, I'll invest in dedicated hardware |
| [04:59:32] | [R]: | jya: what settings? |
| [04:59:52] | jya: | whatever, like configuring the resolution of my screen and that I want two separate monitor |
| [05:00:16] | [R]: | displays in system settings |
| [05:00:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: Make sure you secure the Mythweb site – or once your server is discovered, somebody may have fun 'playing' with your system – scheduing random programs, deleting things, etc. |
| [05:00:37] | [R]: | oh man, we did that once |
| [05:00:39] | r000t: | I'd rather get the damned thing functional first |
| [05:00:39] | [R]: | that was fun |
| [05:00:40] | jya: | [R]: great… so... |
| [05:00:44] | jya: | where are the system settings? |
| [05:00:44] | [R]: | this guy in europe had some porn on his |
| [05:00:56] | [R]: | jya: click the circle thing in the top right corner |
| [05:01:13] | r000t: | I'd like to get the frontend connected to SQL, then I can get fancy with the security |
| [05:01:18] | jya: | yeah, and I get search shortcuts |
| [05:01:28] | jya: | so there's no icon for the settings or direct menu access |
| [05:01:32] | jya: | I have to type settings |
| [05:01:37] | jya: | how dumb is that? |
| [05:01:39] | [R]: | what? |
| [05:01:48] | [R]: | i said right |
| [05:02:01] | jya: | pressing the round button at the top |
| [05:02:42] | jya: | all I have are shortcuts to media, internrt, mfind files, brwose the web, view photo, check email, listen to music |
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| [05:02:48] | [R]: | yes |
| [05:02:49] | jya: | no settings |
| [05:02:51] | [R]: | you're still not listening |
| [05:02:54] | [R]: | because i said right |
| [05:03:09] | jya: | no I can type settings in list system settings in the results |
| [05:03:11] | [R]: | in the menu you have open, you should have "more apps" |
| [05:03:12] | jya: | right of? |
| [05:03:21] | [R]: | [10:00:56] [R] jya: click the circle thing in the top right corner |
| [05:03:47] | jya: | ah you mean the circle that looks like a power symbol |
| [05:03:53] | jya: | I thought that was turning off |
| [05:04:06] | r000t: | fix'd, had to screw with my.cnf |
| [05:04:06] | jya: | duh.. |
| [05:04:18] | r000t: | oddly enough that didn't royally hose my websites |
| [05:04:24] | jya: | so after Microsoft Start -> Shutdown idiocy |
| [05:04:33] | jya: | we know have Power -> Settings :) |
| [05:04:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: I figured as much – *buntu versions of myth seem to do that. ;-) |
| [05:04:46] | r000t: | Windows 8 won't have a start menu |
| [05:04:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | (to be more 'secure') |
| [05:04:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: winblows what? ;-) |
| [05:05:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: Hehehe... they don't have a "Start" menu now – it's a windows symbol. ;-) |
| [05:05:25] | jya: | but Windows 8 isn't available to the public yet… so it's hardly relevant |
| [05:05:52] | jya: | who thought that putting system settings, in what used to be the menu to reboot/logoff was a good idea |
| [05:06:07] | r000t: | Warning: MythTV wants to upgrade your database |
| [05:06:18] | jya: | I can imagine the staff meeting "oh, we forgot the settings,where could we put it", what about the turn off menu ? |
| [05:06:20] | ** J-e-f-f-A H8's winblows... especially having to deal with viruses/malware/trojans at work with LOTS Of stuff that gets through our "Enterprise" crapafeee antivirus... ** | |
| [05:06:33] | [R]: | jya: as i already said... its also under "more apps" |
| [05:06:39] | jya: | it's not |
| [05:06:57] | [R]: | it most certainly is |
| [05:07:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: Do you have the same version of the frontend as your backend? If not, you should either upgrade your backend, or downgrade your frontend. |
| [05:07:21] | jya: | i have "about me", Additional drivers, AisleRiot Solitaire, Appearance, Assitive Technologies, Banshee Media Player" |
| [05:07:32] | [R]: | you also have "see more results" |
| [05:07:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: versions have to match, sorry. |
| [05:08:28] | jya: | [R]: great.. so really, something no one would find without being told where to look |
| [05:08:43] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:08:56] | [R]: | you just need to actually raed the screen |
| [05:09:02] | [R]: | regardless, if you dont like unity, no one is forcing you to use it |
| [05:09:12] | jya: | it does look nice I have to say |
| [05:09:29] | jya: | i installed ubuntu, that's what came with it… I didn't choose it |
| [05:09:41] | [R]: | yeah... cuz you can't isntall somethign else... |
| [05:09:44] | [R]: | oh what!? you can!? |
| [05:09:46] | jya: | it's the first time I actually installed a fully fledge ubuntu in years |
| [05:09:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | anyways, I've got to hit the hay... sorry I cant' hang around longer r000t – best of luck tonight. Remember that MythTV is 100% volunenteers and free, so try to keep calm, and someone will be willing to help you along. ;-) It's a community effort – it's well worth the effort to setup your sytem. ;-) I've been running it since 2004/2005... |
| [05:10:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | ttyl. |
| [05:10:15] | jya: | J-e-f-f-A: but you won't get to know how fast I'm compiling !! |
| [05:10:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: sure I will – just mention my nic, and it'll show up in my highlight tab. ;-) |
| [05:10:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehe. ;-) |
| [05:11:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: besides, I'd just get mad at you for having a processor that's an order of magnitude faster than mine! ;-) |
| [05:12:02] | jya: | allright, starting the compilation |
| [05:12:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: it's almost quitting time for you down there, isn't it – about 3:12pm? ;-) |
| [05:12:43] | jya: | me? I've been staying at home for 9 months now... |
| [05:12:59] | jya: | allright, time make -j9 |
| [05:13:01] | ** J-e-f-f-A supposes he'll stick around until jya finishes his compile in something like 30 seconds or less... D'oh! ** | |
| [05:13:04] | jya: | like it was doing on the mac |
| [05:13:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: You still employed, just working from home? |
| [05:14:04] | r000t: | This question might sound strange |
| [05:14:05] | r000t: | but |
| [05:14:25] | r000t: | Is Mythbuntu's liveCD looking for music and video (for the music and video menus) on the LiveCD FS or the Backend |
| [05:14:28] | r000t: | 's OS? |
| [05:14:48] | r000t: | I set a default directory for the backend to put things, and I put things there, and nothing's showing up |
| [05:14:56] | jya: | J-e-f-f-A: I sold my business in July last year, and I work from home now |
| [05:15:04] | ** J-e-f-f-A just did a 'make -j 8' and it olny took: real 0m0.606s user 0m0.896s sys 0m0.215s ** | |
| [05:15:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehehe... beat that jya!!! Oh wait, I didn't do a 'make clean' first... oh well! ;-) |
| [05:15:13] | jya: | ok done |
| [05:15:21] | jya: | that was a compile on a brand new ubuntu |
| [05:15:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: that's cool – and you're still able to keep the bills paid? awesome. |
| [05:15:25] | jya: | using the hard drive |
| [05:15:36] | jya: | real: 1m59,45s |
| [05:15:51] | jya: | that's just mythtv.. did you compile mythplugins too ? |
| [05:16:21] | jya: | second time round: 0m8.412s |
| [05:16:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: nah, just myth. |
| [05:16:28] | jya: | let me do the plugins |
| [05:16:42] | jya: | this imac is so fast... |
| [05:16:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | so nube was: (1st time around) real 4m32.622s user 10m6.658s sys 1m5.317s |
| [05:17:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | so you're about 3.5x faster than me... d'oh! |
| [05:17:10] | jya: | it's actually much faster than when I did it on the mac, but on the mac, it also was creating the images and package, that takes a while |
| [05:17:20] | r000t: | Okay um... It's paying absolutely no attention to the backend |
| [05:17:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | grrr... can't type.. I'm tired. ;-) |
| [05:17:38] | r000t: | I unplugged the network card and it didn't care |
| [05:17:42] | jya: | for a processor that runs at only 13% faster frequency |
| [05:17:43] | jya: | impressive |
| [05:18:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: it doesn't care until you try to access something that talks to the backend – try navigating the menus. |
| [05:18:22] | jya: | r000t: it show you a message that the backend can't be contacts within a few seconds |
| [05:19:00] | r000t: | And what sense is it where you have to go to 'setup' to listen to music? |
| [05:19:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: Are you running the same version of MythTV on the Backend and frontend now? |
| [05:19:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: You have to set it up ONCE. |
| [05:19:36] | r000t: | It's not giving my any version errors |
| [05:19:40] | jya: | r000t: you don't have to… however music currently requires access to the local file |
| [05:19:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Unline windoze, we don't presume your music is in a specific directory. |
| [05:19:52] | jya: | so you need to configure in which directory the music files are |
| [05:20:01] | r000t: | So I can't pull videos over a network? |
| [05:20:13] | r000t: | Streaming video from the backend was the entire reason I installed MythTV |
| [05:20:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: Yes, you can stream videos. But Videos != Music/Audio. |
| [05:20:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: sound like you want to use the MythVideo plugin. |
| [05:21:00] | jya: | 0.8s to compile the plugins.. something must be wrong |
| [05:21:28] | r000t: | Well, on the frontend, in setup>video>setup>setup video, I set /home/mythbackend (the user I created specifically to house videos), and I placed a .mpeg file in it |
| [05:21:31] | r000t: | it's not being found |
| [05:21:31] | jya: | r000t: in the next version of 0.25, you will be able to play music only file outside mythmusic |
| [05:21:39] | jya: | mythmusic is a plugin |
| [05:21:50] | jya: | you need to set it to where you music files is |
| [05:22:00] | jya: | for videos however, it will stream from the backend |
| [05:22:28] | jya: | r000t: you have nothing to configure on the frontend to access the videos |
| [05:22:39] | jya: | do not go into that settings, it's obsolete for most |
| [05:22:46] | r000t: | And, again, why is the videos function hidden in the settings menu? |
| [05:22:50] | jya: | when you started mythtv-setup |
| [05:23:10] | jya: | did you configure the storage network to point to your videos? |
| [05:23:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: You probably don't have the MythVideo plugin installed on the frontend. |
| [05:23:46] | jya: | r000t: the Videos menu is in the Media folder, at the root of the menu, not in settings at all |
| [05:23:47] | r000t: | Is it okay to run mythtv-setup as the root user? |
| [05:23:53] | jya: | though , this is something you can change it |
| [05:23:58] | r000t: | There's no media folder here. |
| [05:24:02] | jya: | r000t: you can... |
| [05:24:05] | jya: | but you don't have to |
| [05:24:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | r000t: you should run it as the same user your backend is running as – typically 'mythtv' |
| [05:24:18] | jya: | I usually run it under the same user mythbackend will run as |
| [05:24:24] | r000t: | The issue is, I have to pipe X over SSH |
| [05:24:26] | jya: | so you start mythtv-setup |
| [05:24:33] | jya: | that's fine, I do the same |
| [05:24:35] | r000t: | that requires the user I SSH into has, you know, a password |
| [05:24:45] | jya: | just enable the shell for the user that mythbackend run under |
| [05:24:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: plugins with a 'make clean': real 1m53.477s user 6m21.315s sys 0m39.902s |
| [05:25:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | (1st run) |
| [05:25:32] | jya: | r000t: I set a rsa key so i can log without passwword |
| [05:25:38] | jya: | but that's beside the point |
| [05:25:42] | r000t: | (zenity:14724): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:10.0 |
| [05:25:50] | r000t: | and THATS why I have to log directly in to the user that runs setup |
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| [05:26:39] | jya: | r000t: you could if you do something like xhost + on the machine you connect from |
| [05:26:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | jya: 2nd run of mythplugins compile: real 0m9.252s user 0m22.304s sys 0m8.602s |
| [05:26:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | <- not bad... ;-) |
| [05:27:09] | jya: | yeah, 0.9s here :) |
| [05:27:16] | jya: | r000t: so in mythtv-setup |
| [05:27:23] | jya: | you will define a few directories |
| [05:27:24] | ** J-e-f-f-A heads off to bed before he can't get up at 7:30am... D'oh!!!! ttyl guys – best of luck r000t ;-) ** | |
| [05:27:34] | r000t: | "Please enter your user password to add r000t to the mythtv group" |
| [05:27:38] | jya: | a default storage |
| [05:27:39] | ** r000t enters password correctly ** | |
| [05:27:41] | r000t: | "Please enter your user password to add r000t to the mythtv group" |
| [05:27:42] | ** r000t enters password correctly ** | |
| [05:27:47] | r000t: | I'm beginning to see a pattern here |
| [05:28:22] | jya: | and you can define a few more: Videos, where all you videos are (you can have more than one) Fanart where the fanart images will be stored |
| [05:28:38] | r000t: | That's cool and all, but I can't even get to a menu |
| [05:29:05] | jya: | obviously, I assume you can start mythtv-setup |
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| [05:29:46] | r000t: | >failed to stop mythbackend, wrong password |
| [05:29:50] | r000t: | >shows me a menu anyway |
| [05:30:18] | r000t: | Am I supposed to be able to select a language? None are listed here. |
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| [05:30:35] | r000t: | Big box now says "Cannot login." |
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| [05:30:56] | r000t: | It's remembered exactly 0.00% of the database settings |
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| [05:31:26] | r000t: | and AGAIN with the passworxds |
| [05:31:49] | jya: | r000t: turn off mythbackend first |
| [05:31:52] | jya: | kill it |
| [05:31:55] | jya: | then run mythtv-setup |
| [05:31:59] | jya: | then restart the backend |
| [05:32:13] | r000t: | And then it goes ahead and asks me to enter password after password so it can do the same thing |
| [05:33:08] | r000t: | stopped via terminal |
| [05:33:28] | r000t: | NOW I have a manu |
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| [05:34:59] | Beirdo: | hahahah |
| [05:35:09] | jya: | which distribution are you using ? |
| [05:35:14] | jya: | ubuntu ? |
| [05:35:14] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: your binding code is binding on too many IPs for me now :) |
| [05:35:25] | Beirdo: | not that it matters, it used to be * |
| [05:35:38] | r000t: | Ubuntu 11.10 Server |
| [05:35:55] | jya: | ok |
| [05:36:06] | jya: | mythfrontend and mythbackend in ubuntu are actually wrappers |
| [05:36:18] | jya: | the actual program are called mythfrontend.real and mythbackend.real |
| [05:36:18] | r000t: | uh, what? |
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| [05:36:24] | Beirdo: | and I'm getting lots of: |
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| [05:36:36] | jya: | what you are seeing , like a popup asking you if you want to stop mythbackend isn't mythbackend |
| [05:36:39] | Beirdo: | 2012-02–14 21:36:03.576422 E No address defined for host: mythbe |
| [05:36:44] | Beirdo: | on the frontend |
| [05:36:51] | jya: | it's actually the ubuntu wrapper , |
| [05:37:01] | markcerv: | My mythtv setup (1 backend) and 2 front ends has been working great since install this week. Tonight I added 2TB to backend, and added the new directory to the storage groups. All good. Mythweb on backend shows all of my shows, and recognizes the extra 2TB. BUT, now neither front end can reach the back end. |
| [05:37:07] | jya: | i can't be bothered with the stuff they do |
| [05:37:14] | jya: | so I run mythtv-setup.real instead |
| [05:37:17] | r000t: | Okay, I don't want to split an atom, I just want to put video files on one machine, MAYBE add a cablecard tuner down the road, and watch it on televisions with cheap computers attached |
| [05:37:20] | jya: | that's the actual program |
| [05:37:26] | jya: | ok |
| [05:37:30] | jya: | so on the backend |
| [05:37:35] | markcerv: | (on a frontend via cmd line) mysql -u mythtv mythconverg -h 192.168.37.92 -p (enters in password) ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.37.92' (111) |
| [05:37:36] | jya: | stop the mythbackend process |
| [05:37:40] | jya: | you can kill it if you want |
| [05:38:05] | [R]: | markcerv: sounds like your mysql server isn't running |
| [05:38:48] | r000t: | r000t@EchoDedi:~$ sudo stop mythtv-backend |
| [05:38:48] | r000t: | mythtv-backend stop/waiting |
| [05:38:58] | jya: | r000t: then start mythtv-setup.real and configure the Storage Directories |
| [05:39:02] | jya: | item 6 |
| [05:39:25] | jya: | you define the Default folder (that is going to be used by default) |
| [05:39:34] | r000t: | Already done |
| [05:39:39] | r000t: | same with videos |
| [05:39:55] | jya: | personally, I have defined one Videos, one Trailers, One Coverart, Fanart, Screenshots Banners |
| [05:40:05] | jya: | if you don't define any of those, it will use Default |
| [05:40:09] | r000t: | Is it okay if I throw them all in one directory? |
| [05:40:25] | jya: | up to you |
| [05:40:44] | jya: | i like when the Videos group only contains directory with only videos |
| [05:40:51] | jya: | and my images are stored elsewhere |
| [05:41:04] | r000t: | Well, I like when the thing works and then I like getting fancy later |
| [05:41:05] | jya: | in each group, you can add as many directories as you want |
| [05:41:32] | jya: | so for Videos, you can eiter add the directory containing all your videos if they are on a single disk |
| [05:41:40] | jya: | or add as many directories as you want. |
| [05:41:48] | jya: | myth will combine all the content together |
| [05:41:57] | r000t: | Can I specify a network folder that might not always be available? |
| [05:42:14] | jya: | this will cause trouble |
| [05:42:31] | markcerv: | wierd — I can get to it via 127.0.0.1, but not via it's ip address (while on the backend) |
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| [05:43:00] | jya: | r000t: once you have added the directories into the Videos storage group |
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| [05:43:06] | jya: | quit mythtv-setup, restart the backend |
| [05:43:27] | jya: | launch the frontend, all your files will be there in Videos (provided you have install the mythvideo plugin ) |
| [05:43:38] | r000t: | how do I install this plugin? |
| [05:43:49] | Beirdo: | !trout wagnerrp |
| [05:43:49] | ** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [05:43:52] | jya: | on ubuntu, it's the mythplugins package |
| [05:44:06] | Beirdo: | you set my IPv4 to localhost!? |
| [05:44:07] | jya: | that will install all the plugins |
| [05:44:11] | jya: | or just mythvideos |
| [05:44:21] | Beirdo: | that will NEVER work for split frontend/backend systems |
| [05:44:25] | jya: | markcerv: are you talking about connecting to the database or the backend? |
| [05:45:02] | markcerv: | jya: i can't connect to the database on the backend from the backend, if I use the IP address of the backend (.92) instead of 127.0.0.1 |
| [05:45:08] | jya: | Beirdo: I had to clear the IPV6 field in mythtv-setup, as by default it was set to ::1, and none of my remote frontend would connect |
| [05:45:28] | jya: | markcerv: you need to configure mysql so it listens to more than just the local interface |
| [05:45:29] | markcerv: | if i visit backend via web, I get to mythtv, and I can search listings, see my recordings, etc |
| [05:45:32] | jya: | this is a mysql issue |
| [05:45:42] | markcerv: | but i didn't change anything w/ mysql |
| [05:45:44] | Beirdo: | I just fixed it in mysql |
| [05:45:47] | jya: | many distributions , configure mysql to only listen to the localhost by default |
| [05:45:58] | Beirdo: | but that DEFINITELY needs to be highlighted to upgrading users |
| [05:46:09] | markcerv: | did mysql change in latest ubuntu update? |
| [05:46:18] | jya: | markcerv: that's your problem, you need to configure mysql to listen to the .92 address |
| [05:46:28] | jya: | Beirdo: wagnerrp is aware of the issue |
| [05:46:47] | jya: | the problem is that it doesn't default to ipv4 if it can't contact the ipv6 host |
| [05:47:02] | jya: | and it doesn't detect that ::1 is actually the localhost, so no point trying |
| [05:47:12] | jya: | markcerv: it has always been taht way in ubuntu |
| [05:47:14] | Beirdo: | yeah, and that it doesn't pop up a screen asking for reconfig |
| [05:47:19] | jya: | mysql only listen to localhost by default |
| [05:47:31] | jya: | yeah, I could access the recordings |
| [05:47:45] | jya: | but trying to do livetv would give me the error "can't connect to the backend" |
| [05:47:47] | jya: | nothing more |
| [05:47:56] | markcerv: | jya: ok, but it's only just tonight that neither frontend can connect to backend |
| [05:48:02] | ** Beirdo sighs ** | |
| [05:48:07] | jya: | did you upgrade anything? |
| [05:48:08] | Beirdo: | definitely some bugs to fix |
| [05:48:16] | jya: | maybe it has overridden the configuration |
| [05:48:32] | Beirdo: | the latest schema update does just that |
| [05:48:35] | markcerv: | tonight, i did whatever updates that ubuntu wanted |
| [05:48:39] | jya: | Beirdo: he's aware of the issue, but tonight he preferred to stuff chillis oin his eyes :) |
| [05:48:40] | r000t: | If MythTV actually works, my family is willing to purchase the resources to replace about 12 cable boxes with MythTV |
| [05:49:02] | r000t: | And a single HDHomeRun tuner |
| [05:51:17] | jya: | markcerv: copy paste in pastebin the content of /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| [05:52:18] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [05:52:28] | Beirdo: | I guess I'll track this down |
| [05:54:02] | r000t: | Oh wow, big shocker, no freaking video |
| [05:54:37] | Beirdo: | hehe. abort() before return, moron. |
| [05:54:42] | Beirdo: | !trout Beirdo |
| [05:54:42] | ** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [05:55:19] | r000t: | jya, this literally doesn't work |
| [05:55:22] | markcerv: | jya: getting there — forgot my pastebin password |
| [05:55:37] | r000t: | I made like no changes to the backend anyway, I already had the video directory defines |
| [05:55:37] | jya: | you can paste as anonymous |
| [05:55:43] | r000t: | installing the plugins didn't do a damned thing |
| [05:55:44] | Beirdo: | and a make install woulda helped me |
| [05:55:48] | Beirdo: | language |
| [05:56:03] | jya: | anyhow, my SSD is ready for being picked up… time to go… and a nice day for a bike ride |
| [05:56:21] | r000t: | And on the frontend, video is STILL hidden behind "settings" |
| [05:56:37] | jya: | r000t: if you didn't show as much impatience and disregards to the people trying to help you, you would have got more help |
| [05:56:51] | r000t: | I've put about 9 hours into this farce |
| [05:57:16] | r000t: | Sorry for being fed-up with a very user unfriendly piece of software |
| [05:57:21] | jya: | well, looks like you will be continuing on your own now… |
| [05:58:13] | jya: | and knowing many people here trying to help you are actually the developer of that farce, they are even less enclined to help other than thinking the problem is actually between the chair and the keyboard |
| [05:58:32] | ** jya SSD here I come ** | |
| [05:58:35] | r000t: | Based on the functionality (or lack thereof) of mythTV, I'm beginning to think I was on my own to begin with |
| [05:59:14] | Beirdo: | r000t: whatever. It works quite well for thousands of people. Yes, it's not dead simple to setup, but you need patience |
| [06:00:04] | r000t: | Thousands of people use a single system setup, appearantly |
| [06:00:15] | r000t: | A few months ago I was able to get MythTV set up on a single system rather easily |
| [06:00:22] | Beirdo: | no, they just have more patience |
| [06:00:22] | r000t: | throw another computer in and it craps it's pants |
| [06:00:33] | markcerv: | jya: http://pastebin.com/aT2Bn7Ke |
| [06:03:04] | r000t: | Beirdo, I am willing to bet thousands of dollars that no matter how long I tinker with MythTV, it won't work |
| [06:03:25] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [06:03:52] | r000t: | Then you have people like jya telling me that I'M the problem?! |
| [06:04:17] | r000t: | 99.9% of end users would have given up 8 hours ago |
| [06:04:18] | Beirdo: | Sorry, I'm busy trying to fix a bug. |
| [06:04:35] | Beirdo: | what exactly is the issue at this point? |
| [06:04:42] | Beirdo: | what version of mythtv, etc |
| [06:05:26] | r000t: | The frontend is running Mythbuntu 11.10, the backend is running whatever is in 11.10's repos for Ubuntu Server |
| [06:05:43] | r000t: | The two seem to talk but I can't get video to play |
| [06:05:52] | r000t: | I haven't tried TV yet, my only tuner card is with the police |
| [06:06:09] | Beirdo: | what does mythfrontend --version (and mythbackend --version) say? |
| [06:07:32] | r000t: | MythTV Version : v0.24.1-80-g1de0431 |
| [06:07:32] | r000t: | MythTV Branch : fixes/0.24 |
| [06:07:35] | r000t: | backend |
| [06:07:40] | r000t: | grabbing front now |
| [06:09:11] | r000t: | frontend version matches |
| [06:09:49] | Beirdo: | and you have logs of the failure, I would assume? |
| [06:09:55] | tank-man: | good spot to look is the log file when you try playing the video |
| [06:10:17] | r000t: | I'd try playing the video, but there's nothing when I try to list them |
| [06:10:28] | r000t: | Main Menu --> Settings and Utilities --> Video --> Browse shows nothing |
| [06:10:33] | tgm4883: | hit M |
| [06:10:37] | tgm4883: | scan for changes |
| [06:10:38] | Beirdo: | Oh, you mean you didn't scan |
| [06:11:22] | r000t: | Scan for Changes does not add any content |
| [06:13:01] | tgm4883: | There seems to be quite a bit of backlog. Did you add the directory that your videos are in as a storage group in mythtv setup? |
| [06:13:07] | tgm4883: | mythtv-setup* |
| [06:13:23] | r000t: | um..... |
| [06:13:26] | r000t: | Will MythTV |
| [06:13:29] | r000t: | follow symlinks/ |
| [06:13:46] | r000t: | the only video file is a symbolic link to a video in another home directory |
| [06:13:50] | tgm4883: | Is your videos directory inside your home directory? |
| [06:13:56] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [06:14:09] | tgm4883: | I've always had issues with stuff in the home directory |
| [06:14:09] | r000t: | I assumed since the backend is a system service it would have godlike access to the file system |
| [06:14:31] | tgm4883: | r000t, the backend runs as the mythtv user |
| [06:14:44] | tgm4883: | it doesn't run as root |
| [06:14:51] | tgm4883: | so it doesn't have godlike access |
| [06:14:59] | r000t: | Okay so |
| [06:15:11] | r000t: | This is the part where I reveal myself to be a total c***head |
| [06:15:22] | r000t: | I'm going to, as root, copy the file verbatim |
| [06:15:24] | r000t: | and scan for changes |
| [06:15:38] | tgm4883: | copy it outside your home dir |
| [06:16:22] | tgm4883: | it's been 3 years since I've tried it inside the home dir, so it might work now but I had issues with it back then |
| [06:16:23] | r000t: | oh my god it works |
| [06:16:27] | r000t: | I'm... very sorry |
| [06:16:32] | r000t: | For being a cockhead |
| [06:16:35] | tgm4883: | no worries |
| [06:16:55] | r000t: | Now, what I won't back down on, is.... why the heck is video and music etc under Setup/Utilities? |
| [06:17:25] | tgm4883: | IIRC, music doesn't use storage groups (yet) |
| [06:17:43] | markcerv: | r000t — where's the money? "22:03 < r000t> Beirdo, I am willing to bet thousands of dollars that no matter how long I tinker with MythTV, it won't work" |
| [06:17:45] | tgm4883: | and there is still frontend type stuff that can be configured in the frontend |
| [06:18:03] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:18:08] | tgm4883: | markcerv, in his defense, he did say he was a cockhead |
| [06:19:10] | tgm4883: | so I'm not 100% sure what your question is on the setup/utilities question |
| [06:19:10] | r000t: | I didn't tinker with mythtv, I tinkered with the file system :p |
| [06:19:38] | markcerv: | me — just waiting for a little love myself. I investigated, and I see that my BE is now at 0.24.2, while frontends are still at 0.24.1. — Is there an easy way to install the "Mythbunu repos" (http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb) via commandline? |
| [06:19:55] | markcerv: | i have it installed on backend, but not on the front ends |
| [06:20:01] | tgm4883: | markcerv, dpkg -i mythbuntu-repos.deb |
| [06:20:12] | tgm4883: | after downloading it first |
| [06:20:14] | tgm4883: | and you need sudo |
| [06:21:39] | markcerv: | tgm4883: thank you! |
| [06:21:50] | tgm4883: | markcerv, yw |
| [06:21:58] | tgm4883: | don't forget to tip your waitresses |
| [06:22:12] | markcerv: | then apt-get upgrade or update first? |
| [06:22:20] | tgm4883: | update first |
| [06:22:22] | tgm4883: | then upgrade |
| [06:22:53] | tgm4883: | there is a possibility you need to dist-upgrade, but I don't think you'll need any additional packages so probably not |
| [06:23:34] | r000t: | I can... rip my DVDs to the backend and not have to leave my bedroom to watch a DVD |
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| [06:33:13] | markcerv: | Hmm — my front ends are "stuck" at 0.24.1 while backend is at "0.24.2" — see: http://pastebin.com/V3CbCCyh |
| [06:36:05] | tgm4883: | markcerv, 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and before saying yes see if it's trying to remove something or if it's just trying to install a new package |
| [06:37:43] | markcerv: | tgm4883 – http://pastebin.com/u65xThti |
| [06:37:57] | markcerv: | just adds as i read it |
| [06:38:03] | tgm4883: | yep |
| [06:38:10] | tgm4883: | go ahead and do it then |
| [06:41:05] | ** tgm4883 bed ** | |
| [06:46:56] | markcerv: | ok. Got FEs and BEs all at 0.24.2. But now the FEs can't sign into the backend. What's the way to fix the MySQL on the backend to allow it? |
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| [06:50:01] | r000t: | gah... it's not playing new files |
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| [06:50:44] | superm1: | hmm so something weird is going on. just upgraded 0.24->0.25 and it seems to get a bit confused when trying to go to watch tv. myth frontend log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/842696/ |
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| [06:52:01] | [R]: | superm1: so read the error and correct it |
| [06:52:41] | superm1: | [R]: well that's the odd thing, it connects to the backend ip, but then when it finishes bonjour registration the backend IP it's using isn't valid |
| [06:52:46] | superm1: | so i'm not sure what is happening to cause that |
| [06:53:03] | jya: | back with my SSD… for the root file system, ext3 or ext4 ? |
| [06:53:16] | r000t: | ext4 is production ready |
| [06:53:22] | r000t: | No reason not to use it |
| [06:53:58] | r000t: | and ext3 only operating systems can mount it just fine if they need to |
| [06:54:03] | superm1: | backend log is claiming "Feb 15 00:53:41 supermario mythbackend[2332]: No address defined for host: supermario", but i'm not sure where it's trying to do that lookup, because it does resolve in DNS |
| [06:54:17] | [R]: | superm1: there are 2 backend ips... |
| [06:54:43] | superm1: | yeah the ipv6 box i've not changed the default, but the other two are hardcoded to the right ip that dns would have also resolved |
| [06:54:46] | superm1: | (in mythtv-setup) |
| [06:56:06] | jya: | In regards to the issue with mysql on ext4… I don't mind putting ext3.. it has worked well for me in the past |
| [06:58:20] | jya: | markcerv: in your my.cnf |
| [06:58:20] | sphery: | it seems that either current kernels--or possibly current distros--are enabling barriers by default on ext3, too |
| [06:58:22] | jya: | you have bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| [06:58:37] | sphery: | meaing you'll see the same issue on ext3 with barriers |
| [06:58:41] | jya: | so it only listen to localhost, you need to change the interfaces |
| [06:59:03] | jya: | sphery: ok… so you're saying ext4 or ext3 will be the same |
| [06:59:23] | ** jya off for dinner ** | |
| [06:59:42] | r000t: | I copied a few video files to the video directory. The first video I added to test it plays fine, but playing any of the new ones causes the front end to freeze for about 30 seconds |
| [06:59:59] | sphery: | jya: just saying you'll likely have to disable barriers on ext3 or ext4 to get the "without barriers" performance (and lose the safety of barriers) |
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| [07:06:07] | r000t: | I installed the front end on this machine. I get an error dialog saying 'Cannot ' which then asks for SQL information. When entering the information, the cycle repeats. |
| [07:06:13] | r000t: | It never asks for the security pin. |
| [07:07:28] | r000t: | And... the frontend thinks that 5.8 of 6GB of RAM is in use |
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| [07:10:10] | markcerv: | jya — changing bind-adress from 127.0.0.1 to 192.168.37.92 (the BE address), and then restarting the mysql service, SOLVED THE PROBLEM! |
| [07:10:56] | markcerv: | but, I still ask, how did the problem happen in the first place? Was it due to upgrading to 0.24.2? |
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| [07:13:42] | jya: | markcerv: there are two way you can change the bind address |
| [07:13:49] | jya: | one is in the my.cnf |
| [07:13:59] | jya: | the other is directly from mysql admin interface |
| [07:14:11] | jya: | listenening only to 127.0.0.1 is mysql default now |
| [07:14:55] | jya: | sphery: thanks for that… What's the downside of disabling barriers? thinking that as it was not in place in ext3 before, so probably not much |
| [07:15:37] | jya: | markcerv: if it updated mysql package, it probably rewrote any modifications you would have made on the configuration file, if you did one earlier |
| [07:16:32] | sphery: | AIUI, with barriers disabled, if you lose power during a write operation, data in the HDD cache won't make it to the platter so file system state could be corrupted, even with journals |
| [07:16:51] | jya: | I would have loved zfs as my root system in linux |
| [07:17:06] | jya: | actually, wonder if that's a possiblity as a boot disk.. zfs is so cool |
| [07:17:11] | sphery: | that said, I'm running without barriers on ext3, but each should make their own decision |
| [07:17:33] | jya: | sphery: well, im guessing lots of people have run ext3 without barriers for years |
| [07:17:52] | jya: | but I do have a ssd now, so maybe the impact on performance with barriers isn't that significant |
| [07:18:20] | sphery: | ah, yeah, with an ssd, you can probably run with barriers without any huge performance hit |
| [07:18:37] | Beirdo: | I'm running ext4 WITH barriers, and all is fine |
| [07:18:55] | Beirdo: | tune your mysql properly to be fully in memory (step 1) |
| [07:19:20] | Beirdo: | and I'm pretty sure... using innodb is a big help too |
| [07:19:47] | jya: | http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/linux-a . . . html?start=5 |
| [07:19:56] | jya: | better perfoamce on mysql with ext3 |
| [07:20:02] | jya: | myth supports innodb now? |
| [07:20:08] | Beirdo: | I heard the comparison right from the mouth of the designer of ext4 |
| [07:20:30] | Beirdo: | the problem is excessive use of fsync |
| [07:20:47] | Beirdo: | and especially when you don't have noatime |
| [07:20:48] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:21:50] | Beirdo: | and regardless... |
| [07:22:09] | Beirdo: | that comparison you just posted... ext4 is not significantly slower anyways |
| [07:22:19] | Beirdo: | certainly not to a point where it would affect mythtv |
| [07:23:10] | Beirdo: | and no, we haven't yet switched officially to innodb |
| [07:23:34] | Beirdo: | because the amount of server tweaking is much higher, and people (generally) are incompetent DBAs |
| [07:23:55] | Beirdo: | untuned innodb is about 10–20x slower than myisam |
| [07:24:04] | Beirdo: | properly tuned, about 3–4x faster |
| [07:28:32] | Hitaro: | I have probably dead-simple setup questions |
| [07:29:06] | Hitaro: | for example, what channel number do I put if I simply want to record video game a/v |
| [07:30:38] | Hitaro: | I am trying to set up my ubuntu laptop to record/stream with this HD PVR but frankly the documentation is baffling me |
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| [07:44:13] | Hitaro: | :/ |
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| [07:47:26] | Beirdo: | jya: the guy also didn't list his mount options... That "study" is not repeatable |
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| [07:57:47] | Hitaro: | ): |
| [08:10:59] | sphery: | Hitaro: MythTV isn't the right application for recording non-scheduled, non-TV stuff |
| [08:11:14] | Hitaro: | huh |
| [08:11:40] | sphery: | Hitaro: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232857#232857 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/284890#284890 |
| [08:11:55] | sphery: | for how to force that square peg into a round hole, and why it's not a good fit |
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| [08:12:21] | sphery: | you'd likely be much better off, though with something like cat or dd |
| [08:13:19] | Hitaro: | what are those? |
| [08:14:13] | sphery: | posts that show you how to configure mythtv to allow you to record non-scheduled, non-tv video |
| [08:14:23] | sphery: | i.e. for: 02.15 02:29:06 < Hitaro> for example, what channel number do I put if I simply want to record video game a/v |
| [08:14:39] | Hitaro: | I mean, cat/dd |
| [08:14:55] | Hitaro: | as a complete incompetent common man that has Ubuntu more for the hell of it than anything else |
| [08:15:07] | sphery: | cat is the "concatenate files and print on the standard output" program and dd is "convert and copy a file" |
| [08:15:28] | sphery: | basically when you want to record: cat /dev/video1 > test.ts |
| [08:15:30] | sphery: | or whatever |
| [08:15:44] | Hitaro: | thanks |
| [08:15:46] | sphery: | when you're done recording, Ctrl-C in the same terminal |
| [08:15:58] | sphery: | or, since you want to stream it, look at VLC |
| [08:16:07] | dekarl: | jya, how does that sound? https://github.com/dajhorn/pkg-zfs/wiki/HOWTO . . . t-Filesystem |
| [08:16:11] | Hitaro: | the HD PVR support page says "Currently, there are no drivers available for Linux" tho so I am boned in that regard perhapds |
| [08:16:34] | sphery: | http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ , which can be set up to read from /dev/video , then stream it via http or various other approaches |
| [08:16:44] | sphery: | for HD-PVR? |
| [08:16:57] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [08:17:32] | jya: | dekarl: thinks.. Still at this stage, I'm not convince about ZFS on linux is the most reliable and performing option |
| [08:17:34] | Hitaro: | the support page I was quoting from was http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support . . . ?tab=5#linux |
| [08:17:52] | sphery: | maybe they mean they don't make any? |
| [08:17:59] | Hitaro: | I suppose |
| [08:18:05] | sphery: | or maybe that's just way out of date? |
| [08:18:30] | sphery: | people have been using HD-PVR with Linux for a couple years, now |
| [08:18:54] | jya: | has anyone played with zfs much on linux ? how does it behave? |
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| [08:20:39] | Eruphus: | Hi, yesterday i had to dump the myth-database and do a fresh mythtv-setup. but suddenly my DVB-S card is no longer available in mythtv-setup. lspci shows the expected entry for my TT 3200 S2. I dont know what to do as google does not provide further help ;) |
| [08:21:07] | sphery: | Hitaro: all that said, if you want to record TV, MythTV is a great application--and since you have hardware that can be used for that... |
| [08:21:28] | Hitaro: | I don't have any sort of cable |
| [08:21:31] | sphery: | Eruphus: did you upgrade your kernel or operating system? |
| [08:21:52] | Eruphus: | nope, just wiped the mysql db and start a new mythtv-setup |
| [08:22:12] | sphery: | so you didn't restore the DB backup? |
| [08:22:17] | sphery: | this is a fresh database? |
| [08:24:48] | Eruphus: | it is a fresh db. created only the schema |
| [08:25:22] | Eruphus: | ... schema; hm, just the tables created by mythtv after "apt-get install mythtv" |
| [08:25:39] | sphery: | ok |
| [08:26:23] | sphery: | I don't know much about dvb-s setup--other than where to find a much better description than I could possibly give: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S |
| [08:26:47] | sphery: | but usually when you don't see the card listed as an option, you either a) chose the wrong card type in mythtv-setup |
| [08:27:07] | sphery: | or b) don't have permissions to the device (where "you" = the user running mythtv-setup) |
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| [08:27:44] | sphery: | though see that wiki page for much more detail on how to properly set up dvb-s |
| [08:28:38] | jya: | silly me, I bought a 60GB SSD drive thinking that was plenty, that's 54GB usable, the drive it's replacing already uses 52GB |
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| [08:41:22] | Eruphus: | the point is, that i allready had this setup running. |
| [08:41:23] | Eruphus: | i allready checked the permissions to this device. even root is not able to see the card inside the setup. |
| [08:41:23] | Eruphus: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S is the guide is used ;) |
| [08:46:33] | Eruphus: | i gonna recheck the permission thing. this is the only thing makes sence.... |
| [08:46:33] | Eruphus: | thx sphery |
| [08:48:44] | sphery: | someone else who knows dvb-s might be along sometime... I recommend hanging out in here for a while to see if you find someone more helpful |
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| [11:59:43] | drac_boy: | hi |
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| [12:57:27] | stuartm: | does anyone know of an easy to use linux app for very basic animation of 2D images? Movement along a path, resizing etc? |
| [12:59:24] | quicksilver: | No. It wouldn't surprise me entirely if your best bet is to use blender and ignore the 3D features. Although it takes time to learn. |
| [12:59:51] | quicksilver: | (or, since you're a programmer, just to pick a 2D graphics engine and write code, and then record the video) |
| [12:59:57] | stuartm: | hmm, not worth it then, I'll wait until we've implemented those in mythui |
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| [13:08:56] | stuartm: | I had an idea for an animation flourish in this theme I'm working on, but since I want to get it done ASAP and still leave myself time for bug fixing before the 0.25 release it would need to be an app that had no real learning curve, i.e. something for little children |
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| [13:21:47] | pyrodex-work: | Last night apparently I had a few recordings with some issues and pixelation. I increased logging in mythbackend after seeing a few of these in the past and wondered what was being seen. What is the threshold for continuity errors in a recording before it will reschedule it again? I know another episode of this show is coming up but MythTV didn't reschedule it. The logs are here for reference http://pastebin.com/CW08i4ea. Thoughts? |
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| [13:39:20] | jya: | in 0.25, is there a way to have a separate DVD and bluray disk ? |
| [13:39:35] | jya: | the menu only has a "Play Optical Disc" entry.. |
| [13:39:59] | jya: | doesn't work for me unfortunately.. my bluray disk is mounted on a folder |
| [13:40:05] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of |
| [13:40:49] | jya: | hum… in the settings, I set the DVD drive (a device) and there's an entry for a mount location for bluray |
| [13:41:12] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i dont think ive used either in years |
| [13:41:40] | jya: | was keen on trying the new bluray playback |
| [13:42:24] | jya: | that entry does absolutely nothing for me.. no error in the log nothing |
| [13:43:59] | stuartm: | jya: tried mythavtest bd://path/to/mount |
| [13:44:47] | stuartm: | ? |
| [13:46:41] | jya: | I get this in the log... |
| [13:46:43] | jya: | http://pastebin.com/jscxEuBH |
| [13:48:03] | jya: | stuartm: using mythavtest is how I used to play it |
| [13:48:26] | jya: | I created an entry in the optical menu |
| [13:48:51] | jya: | this works |
| [13:50:19] | wagnerrp: | oof |
| [13:50:34] | wagnerrp: | i just realized i had ccache set to the default 1GB on my production backend |
| [13:50:45] | wagnerrp: | so it was cycling through the whole thing every time i rebuilt |
| [13:51:56] | wagnerrp: | 20% hit rate, as compared to the 95% hit rate the buildbot gets |
| [13:52:20] | jya: | wagnerrp: and you think it's makes much difference speed wise? |
| [13:53:10] | jya: | ah great… i'm getting plenty of Device: /dev/sda, Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours. with the new SSD :( |
| [13:53:11] | wagnerrp: | if all the old objects are still there? no, not really |
| [13:53:23] | jya: | yeah, it just takes heaps of space... |
| [13:53:28] | wagnerrp: | if i just did a 'make distclean' because its been a while since ive done so, absolutely |
| [13:53:58] | wagnerrp: | fresh build with a populated ccache runs 4–5x as fast, and its primarily disk IO |
| [13:54:10] | jya: | i forgot to create a cache partition on my disk, I have 8gig of RAM and VMWare complains that there aren't any partition cache, you think that will cause much problem? |
| [13:54:25] | wagnerrp: | s/cache/swap/? |
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| [13:54:42] | jya: | wagnerrp: I get a much better ratio, building myth from 0 (no ccache is 1m58) with ccache 8s |
| [13:54:59] | wagnerrp: | building from that SSD? |
| [13:55:03] | jya: | sorry swap |
| [13:55:09] | jya: | no from the hard drive |
| [13:55:14] | wagnerrp: | really... |
| [13:55:16] | jya: | makes no difference building on SSD |
| [13:56:18] | wagnerrp: | it should take 8 seconds to just read the ccache buffer and all that source into RAM |
| [13:56:40] | jya: | I'm not making my number up :) |
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| [13:57:31] | wagnerrp: | the buildbots all run on the order of a couple minutes |
| [13:58:05] | stuartm: | jya: hmm, no idea, seems like it might be a regression though, so I'd open a ticket |
| [13:58:05] | wagnerrp: | but admittedly, those are all likely running a number of other things |
| [13:58:20] | wagnerrp: | and would have flushed the ccache and source out of RAM by the time the next build is up |
| [13:58:24] | wagnerrp: | at least mine certainly are |
| [13:58:42] | jya: | yeah, I never touch the ccache directory |
| [13:59:04] | wagnerrp: | Bei rdo's 64-bit linux build is probably the closest in power to yours, 3.something GHz quadcore i7 |
| [13:59:22] | jya: | wagnerrp: make clean && time make -j9 |
| [13:59:23] | jya: | real 0m7.871s |
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| [13:59:45] | wagnerrp: | ill let it build once, and see what happens on the second run |
| [14:00:29] | wagnerrp: | the buildbots only record absolute time, although we could probably record otherwise |
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| [14:03:17] | jya: | rm ~/.ccache && time make -j9 |
| [14:03:23] | jya: | real 1m58.547s |
| [14:23:52] | wagnerrp: | oh yeah... look at that raw power... 16:47.20 |
| [14:24:03] | wagnerrp: | from scratch, no ccache |
| [14:24:34] | wagnerrp: | 1:43.582 total user time |
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| [14:30:05] | wagnerrp: | exactly two minutes out of ccache, 36.8s of user time |
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| [14:38:02] | wagnerrp: | jya: re #10334, is that themes through the theme downloader? |
| [14:38:18] | jya: | yes |
| [14:38:23] | wagnerrp: | there is a known issue when dealing with remote backends |
| [14:38:47] | jya: | this was on the machine acting as backend/frontend |
| [14:39:07] | wagnerrp: | s/backends/frontends/ |
| [14:39:14] | wagnerrp: | master backend/frontend? |
| [14:39:15] | jya: | it does the same thing on remote frontend |
| [14:39:38] | wagnerrp: | i knew it happened with remote frontends, but last i heard, it should work fine on the local frontend |
| [14:40:08] | jya: | ok… here it didn't |
| [14:41:39] | wagnerrp: | also, remember to use the {{{ ... }}} when quoting stuff on trac |
| [14:42:29] | jya: | ah … I was wondering that |
| [14:42:33] | jya: | will edit |
| [14:42:41] | wagnerrp: | already did |
| [14:42:49] | wagnerrp: | two of them anyway, unless there are other |
| [14:44:24] | jya: | ah I just modified the theme one |
| [14:45:04] | jya: | 10334, 10335, 10340 |
| [14:46:00] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: you about? |
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| [15:13:41] | jya: | wagnerrp: it's been 2 days now since I've moved to master… I've enable metadata on recordings, I can see that metadata job are queued. Looking at one recording I see "Look up Metadata (Finished: Wed Feb 15, 2012, 08:56 PM) |
| [15:13:41] | jya: | Metadata Lookup Complete." |
| [15:13:51] | jya: | yet, there's no fanart of any kind for recordings |
| [15:14:48] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, ive noticed it not working for a couple months, but ive not gotten around to looking into why |
| [15:14:56] | wagnerrp: | ive heard some other users report the same |
| [15:15:44] | jya: | http://pastebin.com/bsWZW4Jd |
| [15:16:05] | jya: | there are no errors showing up in the log, it found the show, and returned without error |
| [15:16:08] | wagnerrp: | strangely, it works when run from the command line, but not from the jobqueue |
| [15:16:32] | jya: | i ran it from the command line at first (with no arguments) |
| [15:16:38] | jya: | can't say I've noticed a differenc |
| [15:16:54] | jya: | what is the metadata grabber supposed to retrieve? |
| [15:17:24] | wagnerrp: | any text metadata not otherwise populated by the guide data source, and then any artwork associated with it |
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| [15:18:02] | jya: | I believe all text are provided by shepherd… the information I'm reading there appear in the guide too |
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| [15:18:26] | dekarl-readsthel: | stuartm: Maybe the inkscape animation research list contains something useful? http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Animation-%28Timeline%29 |
| [15:18:30] | dekarl-readsthel: | wagnerrp: yup |
| [15:18:55] | wagnerrp: | dekarl-readsthel: '-' escaping should not be necessary |
| [15:19:05] | dekarl-readsthel: | I agree |
| [15:19:11] | wagnerrp: | do you have any logs that show you are actually having problems as a result? |
| [15:19:37] | wagnerrp: | or did you just read the line that got printed as run in the logs, and try to run that manually? |
| [15:19:47] | wagnerrp: | the line that gets printed in the logs is not quite correct |
| [15:20:05] | dekarl-readsthel: | no, thats from the log of mythmetadatalookup, not crom copy'n'pasting |
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| [15:20:37] | wagnerrp: | since the arguments are passed directly to the application (or at least i believe they are), there should be no need to escape or quote anything from the shell |
| [15:22:04] | wagnerrp: | jya: seems mythmetadatalookup only pulls the season and episode when run as a user job |
| [15:22:30] | jya: | is this intended? |
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| [15:23:16] | jya: | wagnerrp: the log is from /var/log/mythtv/mythmetadatalookup.log |
| [15:23:18] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [15:25:19] | wagnerrp: | jya: artwork gets pulled daily through the housekeeper, using http://mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordings_w . . . work_Updates |
| [15:26:41] | jya: | jeez… and yet again another setting for metadata grabbing… |
| [15:32:03] | jya: | trying to follow the wiki |
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| [15:33:10] | jya: | when i go into metadata options, it search for the title , show me a list. i select the one I want. validate. It always go back through that same list. can't quit |
| [15:36:55] | rockbadger: | hi all. I'm working out the specs for a new computer to use solely for Myth – I need the capacity to record two DVB-S2 (Freesat HD) channels and two DVB-T channels simultaneously. Is that gonig to be possible with regular hard drive(s)? |
| [15:37:26] | stuartm: | dekarl-readsthel: that's interesting, thanks |
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| [15:38:05] | wagnerrp: | rockbadger: make sure to have a separate hard drive for your OS/database |
| [15:38:14] | wagnerrp: | besides that, you should be able to manage that on a single recording drive |
| [15:38:23] | rockbadger: | I've got a dual tuner DVB-T card that will be recycled and am considering a TBS-6981 |
| [15:42:11] | rockbadger: | +wagnerrp thanks. |
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| [15:53:33] | wagnerrp: | dekarl-readsthel: what are the title and subtitle for that episode? |
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| [15:55:27] | dekarl-readsthel: | good question, IIRC the second attempt was only "ttvdb.py -l de -N Unter uns" suggesting that the minus might be the first character of the subtitle... Can't verify it from here :( |
| [15:56:08] | wagnerrp: | sounds likely |
| [15:56:25] | wagnerrp: | which means its actually a fault in the grabber script |
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| [15:57:23] | wagnerrp: | running "ttvdb.py -l de -N 'Unter uns' '- Bitte beachten ....'" gives your error |
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| [16:04:18] | wagnerrp: | dekarl-readsthel: at first glance, there is no easy way to account for this |
| [16:04:33] | wagnerrp: | other than arbitrarily removing any '-' from the start of titles/subtitles |
| [16:13:27] | dekarl-readsthel: | hmm, EITFixups could use some love, too:) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . up.cpp#L1283 The interesting part would be "Unter uns" "Folge 1234" for the main event and the repeat (the "AT/CH get ads instead" seems to be only on the repeat) |
| [16:14:30] | dekarl-readsthel: | simply removing the minus for the lookup sounds like a plan, especially as the tmdb API chokes on minuses anyway |
| [16:15:13] | wagnerrp: | dekarl-readsthel: technically, that second string is never even passed to thetvdb in the first place |
| [16:15:31] | wagnerrp: | the title/inetref is used to pull all the data for that series |
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| [16:15:43] | wagnerrp: | and then ttvdb.py does its own internal search for the matching subtitle |
| [16:16:17] | dekarl-too: | I know :( I had to reimplement the search for NonameTV, too |
| [16:17:12] | dekarl-too: | can we not simply call "ttvdb.py -l de -N — 'Unter uns' '- Bitte beachten ....'" or whatever signals "end of options"? |
| [16:17:38] | dekarl-too: | braino... its not using the shared command line parser due to being Python ;) |
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| [16:19:43] | wagnerrp: | actually, the way its set up, '-N' is interpreted as a boolean |
| [16:20:03] | wagnerrp: | and 'Unter uns' and '- Bitte beachten ...' are separate arguments |
| [16:20:19] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that the parser things '- ' is an option, and doesnt know what to do with it |
| [16:20:34] | wagnerrp: | i would expect any other grabber script to have similar issues |
| [16:20:39] | wagnerrp: | not just ttvdb.py |
| [16:22:12] | dekarl-too: | yup. I just remembered how its solved usually, e.g. "rm — -foo" |
| [16:23:00] | wagnerrp: | i could write up a version of the internal argument parser for the python bindings |
| [16:23:18] | wagnerrp: | so any scripts could use that to follow the same behavior as the linked binaries |
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| [16:23:35] | wagnerrp: | it just seems a lot of work for very limited gain |
| [16:23:58] | wagnerrp: | i like the idea of putting stuff in eitfixups and other places |
| [16:24:08] | wagnerrp: | preventing such data from entering the database in the first place |
| [16:28:15] | dekarl-too: | ahhh http://docs.python.org/library/optparse.html# . . . le-arguments might be an idea to add that |
| [16:29:55] | wagnerrp: | optparse can do that? |
| [16:30:03] | wagnerrp: | i knew the new argparse can, didnt know optparse could |
| [16:31:47] | dekarl-too: | hm, as optparse is deprecated anyway it might be an idea to switch? |
| [16:31:59] | dekarl-too: | seems like it can do that only in callback mode |
| [16:32:48] | wagnerrp: | argparse is only available in 3.x and 2.7+ |
| [16:32:54] | wagnerrp: | right now, we only require 2.6+ |
| [16:33:52] | dekarl-too: | hm, so thats not an option either |
| [16:34:41] | dekarl-too: | I'd put the ticket in the "past 0.25" bin then |
| [16:35:43] | dekarl-too: | maybe simply strip leading minuses from the calls until then. I'm not sure if its worth it, though |
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| [16:43:22] | dekarl-too: | stuartm, I don't think I opened ticket for the generic episode matching. (don't ask me why not) |
| [16:44:12] | stuartm: | dekarl-too: ok, that's not a problem, I just needed to know if there was a ticket to close when I commit the fix |
| [16:44:38] | dekarl-too: | btw, wrt EITFixups, I'd like to challange that the EIT Genre of "Movie/Drama" means "movie" in our program_type sense... I think it means "scripted event" |
| [16:46:36] | dekarl-too: | been looking at the specs and real usage on and off (see e.g. #6844 for fallout) |
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| [16:47:35] | dekarl-too: | but that topic should likely go on my post-0.25 list |
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| [18:55:49] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, again my slave broken with ::1 |
| [18:56:06] | FabriceMG: | the slave don't connect to the master |
| [18:56:46] | FabriceMG: | MainServer: Failed to open master server socket, error was malformed_ann_query |
| [18:57:16] | wagnerrp: | and i see the full logs? |
| [18:57:21] | wagnerrp: | *can |
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| [19:00:05] | Xentac: | My mythfrontend hangs pretty consistently checking to see if pulseaudio is running (on a myth_system call) http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10247 |
| [19:00:15] | Xentac: | does anyone know why this is happening or how to fix it? |
| [19:00:44] | wagnerrp: | Xentac: it should only do so when starting or stopping playback |
| [19:00:56] | Xentac: | wagnerrp: and on initial startup |
| [19:01:04] | Xentac: | the weird part is that the process that is launched to actually do the check just hangs |
| [19:01:19] | Xentac: | if I try to strace the forked process, it is literally doing nothing |
| [19:01:26] | Xentac: | and the main process is waiting for it to finish |
| [19:03:32] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: what changeset are you using? |
| [19:05:29] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: specifically... are you running something newer or older than 7c1b73704? |
| [19:06:30] | FabriceMG: | MythTV Version : v0.25pre-4537-g567278c |
| [19:07:12] | pyrodex-work: | is there a command line way to delete + re-record using perl bindings? |
| [19:07:37] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: no, the fix for that issue was committed in the very next version |
| [19:09:15] | wagnerrp: | pyrodex-work: the perl bindings are more designed to write applications with, not use on the command line |
| [19:09:42] | pyrodex-work: | wagnerrp: agreed, is there a way in the bindings to remove and re-record an episode? |
| [19:10:24] | wagnerrp: | quick check, it appears not |
| [19:10:36] | wagnerrp: | youll need to perform the proper backend protocol call manually |
| [19:10:51] | pyrodex-work: | How could I do that by chance? any examples out there? |
| [19:11:14] | wagnerrp: | htp://mythtv.org/wiki/DELETE_RECORDING_(Myth_Protocol) |
| [19:12:17] | wagnerrp: | 'force' deletes the recording metadata even if there is no recording file, forget tells mythtv that the show can be re-recorded |
| [19:12:28] | pyrodex-work: | ok |
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| [19:13:35] | Xentac: | wagnerrp: do you think this myth_system call might be fixed in a dev version? I am surprised more people don't run into it... makes me wonder what's unique about my setup |
| [19:13:40] | Xentac: | and the guy who submitted the initial bug... |
| [19:13:43] | pyrodex-work: | so in theory it would be: DELETE_RECORDING 1851 20120214185900 ? |
| [19:13:59] | pyrodex-work: | if my recording time started a minute early? |
| [19:14:02] | pyrodex-work: | and is on channel 851? |
| [19:14:17] | pyrodex-work: | err DELETE_RECORDING 1851 20120214185900 FORGET |
| [19:14:33] | wagnerrp: | pyrodex-work: dont make any assumptions about chanid and recording time |
| [19:14:38] | wagnerrp: | use the values pulled from the backend |
| [19:14:47] | pyrodex-work: | I know the channel id and recording time, they are coming from userjob |
| [19:14:53] | pyrodex-work: | using the variables there |
| [19:15:04] | wagnerrp: | you want to run a user job to delete a recording? what for? |
| [19:15:09] | pyrodex-work: | %CHANID% %STARTTIME% |
| [19:15:45] | pyrodex-work: | I want to delete+re-record when errors are detected in a recording. I had a case this morning when there were continuity errors but it didn't reschedule the recording when done and detected them |
| [19:16:32] | pyrodex-work: | looks like my cable provider had a situation last night around 5PM-7PM EST and all recordings done then were garbage. So i manually did a delete+re-record but would like to automate if possible. |
| [19:17:25] | pyrodex-work: | I have a paste bin of the logs from the failed recording and what mythtv did after the fact |
| [19:17:30] | wagnerrp: | Xentac: it would be very simple to add a timeout to that call, but no, ive not heard any previous complaints of such |
| [19:18:07] | wagnerrp: | however as far as i know, mythtv should not be trying to do anything to pulse until you actually try to start playback |
| [19:18:16] | Xentac: | wagnerrp: it does seem like a timing issue, because when I run the entire mythfrontend using strace, I don't seem to run into it |
| [19:18:25] | Xentac: | it's not even doing anything |
| [19:18:38] | Xentac: | it's when myth_system runs "ps -ae | grep pulseaudio" |
| [19:18:49] | Xentac: | a process is forked and that process never actually completes |
| [19:19:10] | Xentac: | if I manually kill the process (because pulseaudio isn't running anyway), things usually continue without problems |
| [19:19:31] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea why either ps or grep wouldnt return |
| [19:19:49] | wagnerrp: | i also dont know why we would be calling that command through myth_system, as myth_system only returns an error code |
| [19:19:53] | Xentac: | I don't know either... it's not that they're not returning... whenever I run them by hand it works great ;) |
| [19:19:55] | wagnerrp: | not any actual text |
| [19:20:14] | Xentac: | last I looked at the code it was all happening because IsPulseAudioRunning was being called |
| [19:21:10] | Xentac: | it seems that in my git clone (not the stable release) the command is now "ps ch -C pulseaudio -o pid > /dev/null" |
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| [19:45:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, makes sense... opensuse is f'ed up because they're using opengl es |
| [19:45:40] | wagnerrp: | WTF are they doing that? |
| [19:46:05] | sphery: | don't know but that's why the 2 guys on opensuse get "black screen" when starting mythfrontend |
| [19:46:26] | sphery: | I'm thinking of making es something you have to specifically enable because it's breaking stuff |
| [19:46:30] | Xentac: | sphery: you're not talking about my problem, are you? |
| [19:46:40] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [19:46:46] | ** Xentac nods. ** | |
| [19:47:00] | sphery: | I'm talking about a couple people posting on the -users list (and not on our bug reporter) |
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| [19:59:45] | sphery: | er, now |
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| [20:20:07] | stuartm: | I have suggested earlier than the pa check goes into it's own thread, it delays startup enough even when it works |
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| [20:22:18] | sphery: | not to mention the dbus check |
| [20:22:26] | sphery: | (for mediamonitor) |
| [20:22:38] | sphery: | that's 5s every time I start mythfrontend |
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| [20:41:33] | FabriceMG: | summary: mythbuntu today, slave backend down, repos X-swat with last Nvidia 295.20 , HDMI down , it's very good day ! |
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| [20:46:54] | sphery: | Xentac: fwiw, I just saw the hang-on-pulseaudio check 2 days ago on my 0.24-fixes system |
| [20:47:26] | Xentac: | sphery: well at least I'm not the only one :) |
| [20:47:59] | Xentac: | I do seem to get segfaults over libnvidia-tls.so.290.10 from mythfrontend |
| [20:48:05] | sphery: | first time I've ever seen it happen--it never seems to happen for me on first mythfrontend start |
| [20:48:17] | Xentac: | when I noticed before, I didn't think they correlated |
| [20:48:21] | sphery: | and since I don't normally restart mythfrontend... |
| [20:48:40] | Xentac: | I'm upgrading my frontend to nvidia 295.20 so maybe it will all be working after that |
| [20:48:45] | ** Xentac nods. ** | |
| [20:48:50] | sphery: | when I killed the pulseaudio check, mythfrontend started/showed properly |
| [20:48:59] | Xentac: | I run xmbc most of the time and mythfrontend just from a menu |
| [20:49:06] | Xentac: | yeah, that's what I see |
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| [20:50:14] | FabriceMG: | Xentac, did you have onboard sound card on your mother card? |
| [20:50:36] | Xentac: | FabriceMG: yeah, it's a zotac, everything is built in |
| [20:50:40] | Xentac: | though I put sound out over hdmi |
| [20:50:45] | FabriceMG: | intel |
| [20:51:16] | FabriceMG: | and GT220 |
| [20:52:01] | Xentac: | are you asking me what I have? |
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| [20:52:35] | FabriceMG: | no, my hardware |
| [20:52:41] | ** Xentac nods. ** | |
| [20:53:48] | Xentac: | sphery: I know this is the wrong way to do it, but I'm building a version where IsPulseAudioRunning just returns false... we'll see if I have any other problems with my frontend |
| [20:54:02] | Xentac: | also, building on this atom processor takes a while... |
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| [21:38:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: hehehe – how come? I haven't done much with it, but it seems pretty good to me. ;-) |
| [21:46:44] | Beirdo: | Xentac: Atom FTL |
| [21:49:42] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: because I suck at it and it can be extremely difficult to understand sometimes |
| [21:49:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: hehehehe... ;-) |
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| [21:50:46] | skd5aner: | trying to modify drupal, and more specifically a plugin to drupal |
| [21:51:17] | skd5aner: | and more specifically, a plugin that's been modified heavily already by someone else (who knew what they were doing) |
| [21:51:26] | skd5aner: | it's just a cluster... |
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| [21:52:45] | drac_boy: | hi |
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| [21:56:29] | devinheitmueller: | So everybody's going to run right out, throw away their MythTV installs, and switch to the "Torc" port, right? |
| [21:56:53] | ** drac_boy wonders what torc is now? ** | |
| [21:56:59] | devinheitmueller: | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA1Nzg |
| [21:58:22] | drac_boy: | oh ok I see |
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| [21:58:51] | stuartm: | I wonder how Mark will see that spin on events |
| [21:59:44] | devinheitmueller: | That Phoronix article is the first I've heard of this. |
| [22:00:24] | stuartm: | not least the mention of Airplay which Mark was very careful to avoid mentioning for fear of losing everything he owns when Apple's lawyers come knocking |
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| [22:02:26] | skd5aner: | wow... didn't really see that coming... |
| [22:03:13] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: it's not entirely accurate, Mark is maintaining a branch for his own amusement (his words, not mine), he's not gone and created a new project – it's true he no longer wishes to contribute directly to MythTV because it's just a pain having to work in a team with other people |
| [22:03:32] | Beirdo: | stuartm: I'm pretty sure he was... instrumental in creating the news release |
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| [22:04:52] | stuartm: | Beirdo: it's possible he lied or has had a change of heart since I spoke to him, but I'm of the opinion that the anonymous source was someone who hangs out in #mythtv and misunderstood some of what was said in there |
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| [22:05:12] | Beirdo: | I guess we'll never know |
| [22:05:43] | derekj: | speaking of torc, I compled mythtv for the first time after years of using precompiled packages |
| [22:06:00] | derekj: | was shocked at the sheer number of compiler warnings |
| [22:06:12] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: I'm not offering an opinion one way or the other. Just figured I would mention it since Phoronix is relatively popular. |
| [22:06:19] | derekj: | it never used to be that way when Isaac was around |
| [22:06:39] | sphery: | well, one day we may all learn to program so well |
| [22:06:46] | sphery: | until then, you'll have to suffer with our terrible code |
| [22:06:48] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: right, which is why I'm a little annoyed |
| [22:06:56] | derekj: | and you don't have to ask me why I had to compile |
| [22:07:27] | derekj: | instead of using a precompiled package |
| [22:07:28] | stuartm: | derekj: the number? you mean the fact that we've got them so low despite have all warnings enabled? |
| [22:07:43] | derekj: | stuartm: quite kidding yourself |
| [22:07:45] | sphery: | I'm guessing he's using 0.24-fixes |
| [22:07:50] | stuartm: | which in the past wasn't true |
| [22:07:55] | derekj: | sphery: nope, 24.2 |
| [22:08:11] | derekj: | umm, 24.1 |
| [22:08:18] | derekj: | now 24.2 |
| [22:08:22] | sphery: | anyway, thanks for your concern... it's duly noted |
| [22:08:39] | stuartm: | derekj: http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . nings%20(15) |
| [22:09:03] | sphery: | if only we could get good developers to work on mythtv, we wouldn't be stuck with coder wannabes, like me |
| [22:09:03] | Beirdo: | derekj: you mean the 15 in core, and the what... 6 in plugins? |
| [22:09:05] | derekj: | stuartm: I've been using myth since it's earliest days |
| [22:09:11] | skd5aner: | derekj: I would say that 80% of the commits in the last month have been explicitely related to reducing compiler warnings... go check the logs |
| [22:09:12] | devinheitmueller: | One thing to consider: gcc continues to generate more and more warnings with each release (presumably as the heuristics get smarter). So it's entirely possible that if you ran a recent version of gcc against a four year old copy of myth, you would get the same errors. |
| [22:09:18] | stuartm: | derekj: that's FOUR warnings from our code (excluding the deprecation warning which only appears because we're marking it as deprecated) |
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| [22:09:30] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [22:09:37] | derekj: | so I know code quality when I see it |
| [22:09:43] | stuartm: | Beirdo: it's not even 15, 10 of those are in QT |
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| [22:09:57] | Beirdo: | yeah, true |
| [22:10:17] | Beirdo: | it's a few unused variables, and some lonely deprecations |
| [22:10:36] | Beirdo: | which is loads better than the hundreds in 0.24 :) |
| [22:10:36] | skd5aner: | derekj: and what, exactly, isn't quality code here? |
| [22:10:37] | stuartm: | derekj: since that time we've been running constant static analysis and warning count checks against the code, it's only ever gone down by a quite considerable degree |
| [22:10:40] | derekj: | Beirdo: yup fc15 with 24.1 was crash city |
| [22:11:17] | Beirdo: | you are talking to two of the most anal warning-removers on the team :) |
| [22:11:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:11:21] | stuartm: | derekj: really? Because an absence of tickets (or reports generally) for crashes suggests otherwise |
| [22:11:36] | derekj: | stuartm: crash reports |
| [22:11:44] | derekj: | please |
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| [22:12:02] | derekj: | I just try compiling new code first |
| [22:12:04] | Beirdo: | derekj: how else are we supposed to be able to fix |
| [22:12:16] | derekj: | seriously? |
| [22:12:47] | derekj: | how many times people pop in here saying this broke and you guys say "have you tried new code?" |
| [22:12:49] | stuartm: | derekj: so you're telling us that you've see lots of crashes, but never reported them before today and we're somehow supposed to read your mind and fix something that no-one else has seen? |
| [22:12:53] | Beirdo: | I guess you expect that we have one of every single variation of hardware? |
| [22:13:15] | wagnerrp: | jya: have you ever known ZFS to lock up? |
| [22:13:15] | derekj: | stuartm: it's not a hw issue |
| [22:13:18] | stuartm: | wtf ... I'm not sure whether you're genuine or just trolling |
| [22:13:21] | skd5aner: | derekj: just as a very minor example... look here and continue to click "next message" – http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . /002847.html |
| [22:13:27] | derekj: | stuartm: genuwine |
| [22:13:39] | lis0r: | um |
| [22:13:41] | wagnerrp: | ive got all my frontends booting off iscsi images from a single base |
| [22:13:45] | lis0r: | "it's not a hardware issue"? |
| [22:13:46] | derekj: | stuartm: lemme copie some lines from my log |
| [22:13:57] | stuartm: | please do |
| [22:13:58] | lis0r: | derekj: are you a programmer yourself? |
| [22:14:14] | wagnerrp: | whenever i want to update, i update the base, cycle all the previous images up a notch, and clone new images off the base |
| [22:14:23] | skd5aner: | derekj: so... you're also saying that if something crashes, the advice shouldn't be "upgrade to the latest version that has addressed and fixed several crashes"??? |
| [22:14:37] | derekj: | mythfrontend[2332] general protection ip:3c9687009c sp:7f16a554a9b0 error:0 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4 |
| [22:14:52] | derekj: | trap stack segment ip:3689c82bf0 sp:7f78bc79f910 error:0 |
| [22:15:05] | derekj: | mythfrontend[2337]: segfault at 0 ip 0000003689c82bf0 sp 00007fa848d9b910 error 4 in libc-2.14.1.so |
| [22:15:06] | wagnerrp: | in the last several months, ive had three times now where the process of cycling those images (myth0 -> myth0_old1, myth0_old1 -> myth0_old2, ...) |
| [22:15:15] | wagnerrp: | locks up the mount system |
| [22:15:20] | skd5aner: | derekj: I mean, new code is pretty much a pre-requisite when fixing bugs in old code... last time I checked |
| [22:15:23] | wagnerrp: | where any existing filesystems continue to work fine |
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| [22:15:26] | derekj: | mythfrontend[2283]: segfault at f25b21f8 ip 00007f573ae7d3cb sp 00007f5731d1a940 error 4 in libmythupnp-0.24.so.0.24.0 |
| [22:15:29] | sphery: | ooh, look, I just found there /is/ a quality MythTV available: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/fixes/0.18 |
| [22:15:29] | wagnerrp: | but any mounts of unmounts are broken |
| [22:15:38] | Seeker`: | derekj: try pastebin |
| [22:15:45] | Beirdo: | oh no, a segfault... |
| [22:15:51] | sphery: | well, better quality than 0.24, that is... I'm sure 0.13 was even better |
| [22:15:56] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:16:12] | lis0r: | sphery: well, I guess it *does* have less new code in it |
| [22:16:28] | sphery: | hehe, less code means less bugs, right |
| [22:16:36] | Beirdo: | a backtrace (as documented) for each crash... would be absolutely necessary to fix any issues, most of which are likely fixed already |
| [22:16:36] | sphery: | the only perfect code is non-existent code! |
| [22:17:00] | derekj: | Beirdo: a segfault that makes the machine unable to process interrupts from the keyboard is pretty serious |
| [22:17:14] | skd5aner: | I'd still like to understand how asking someone to upgrade to receive bug-fixes is bad advice when they say something is broken in "old code"? |
| [22:17:29] | derekj: | no caps lock blinky |
| [22:17:29] | Beirdo: | a segfault in an application will not affect the keyboard |
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| [22:17:42] | stuartm: | I expect the number of issues in a project to rise as the codebase increases considerably in size as the result of new features, but that said although I'd be the last person to describe MythTV as perfect (not now or indeed at any time in the past) the current code is considerably better written than it has ever been |
| [22:17:47] | Beirdo: | unless it's actually a hardware (and/or driver) error |
| [22:18:03] | skd5aner: | 0.24-fixes has over 410+ changes in it... so if someone is running 0.24 from the day it was released, and they come in here and say it crashes... people should not advice they upgrade?! |
| [22:18:04] | Beirdo: | an application itself is not capable of affecting that in Linux |
| [22:18:04] | lis0r: | the only likely way I can see you having done that is if someone's opened an input device at a pretty low level and messed with it's ioctls |
| [22:18:08] | derekj: | skd5aner: no, the original question was "have you submitted bug report" |
| [22:18:18] | lis0r: | but I'd expect that of the x server or possibly lircd, not mythtv |
| [22:18:25] | derekj: | Beirdo: baloney, I'm telling it's happened |
| [22:18:41] | derekj: | I dont even use lirc |
| [22:18:48] | skd5aner: | <derekj> how many times people pop in here saying this broke and you guys say "have you tried new code?" |
| [22:19:08] | skd5aner: | are you saying that people do say that, and shouldn't... or are you sayin people don't say that, and should? |
| [22:19:10] | stuartm: | derekj: as Beirdo says, we can't learn anything useful from those excerpts, they don't contain enough info, we'd need a proper backtrace |
| [22:19:12] | derekj: | skd5aner: and I'm proving a reason why not all bugs get reported (have you tried new code) |
| [22:19:22] | derekj: | stuartm: pfft |
| [22:19:29] | Beirdo: | if it is affecting the kernel level code, it is buggering up in kernel-level code. |
| [22:19:31] | skd5aner: | well, it is useless to submit a bug report for a bug that's already been fixed |
| [22:19:51] | derekj: | stuartm: all my friend cares about (his machine) is that it works |
| [22:19:52] | lis0r: | derekj: "and I'm proving a reason why not all bugs get reported (have you tried new code)" i.e. you're too lazy to try and actually do something positive to improve the outcome? |
| [22:19:59] | devinheitmueller: | derekj: feel free to ask for a complete refund for the purchase price of the software you are using. |
| [22:20:05] | skd5aner: | also, I thought you originally said the issue was compile errors... and how ijr was immune from such mistakes |
| [22:20:06] | lis0r: | devinheitmueller++ |
| [22:20:29] | stuartm: | derekj: no, don't "pfft" – you want bugs fixed you have to take some responsibility and share of the work, this is open source not a product you've paid for and not one of us gets paid a cent for the thousands of hours we've contributed |
| [22:20:35] | sid3windr: | lol @ attitude |
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| [22:20:42] | stuartm: | derekj: then go use Windows |
| [22:20:43] | derekj: | skd5aner: when ijr was around I certainly don't recall mfe crashing |
| [22:20:50] | Beirdo: | stuartm: thousands per year even :) |
| [22:21:01] | Beirdo: | derekj: then your memory sucks. |
| [22:21:12] | stuartm: | derekj: it did so plenty, I can drag him in here to testify to that if you'd like |
| [22:21:13] | Beirdo: | I remember it crashing more back then than it does now |
| [22:21:16] | skd5aner: | If you look through just even a fraction of the changes in the link I sent you, you'll see tht probably 50% of changes since 2012 have been related to addressing static analysis and cppcheck issues – and the devs have a build bot to explicitely help them find issues on an ongoing basis |
| [22:21:23] | sphery: | yes, it's a bad idea to ask a user to try the current stable code with bug fixes. Instead, it makes a lot more sense to have a developer get out his crystal ball, look at a few log excerpts, and try to gleen whether this is, in fact, a new bug that needs fixing or something that was fixed days/weeks/months ago |
| [22:21:29] | derekj: | at least not crashing to the point of takig down the whole machine |
| [22:21:33] | stuartm: | when I started on the project years ago mythtv was incredibly unstable |
| [22:21:41] | sphery: | because we developers sit around with nothing to do, so at least it would keep us busy |
| [22:21:45] | sid3windr: | memory sucking tends to lead fo segfaults |
| [22:21:48] | sid3windr: | *to |
| [22:21:53] | derekj: | stuartm: baloney |
| [22:21:59] | sid3windr: | baloney is a great word |
| [22:22:00] | sphery: | oh, and would also help to keep that trac open-issues count high |
| [22:22:01] | skd5aner: | derekj: I have less segfaults now than I did ~4 years ago |
| [22:22:06] | sid3windr: | alas, a regular application can't take down your system |
| [22:22:09] | stuartm: | derekj: ah-hah, well there you go a user-space app can't take down a machine, only a kernel or hardware bug can do that |
| [22:22:10] | derekj: | mythtv now is more unstable than it has ever been |
| [22:22:24] | derekj: | and your defensive attitude doesn't help |
| [22:22:32] | lis0r: | stuartm: that depends how ignorant the user is |
| [22:22:37] | sphery: | FWIW, I can configure mythtv (or, really, the system underneat it) to be /extremely/ unstable, too. |
| [22:22:40] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, derekj, mythtv has had crashes since the beginning, many in mythfrontend. It may have been more stable in your particular use case out of dumb luck, but that doesn't mean it hasn't gotten much more reliable in general. |
| [22:22:44] | lis0r: | like, a machine can be rendered unusable without being crashed |
| [22:23:04] | derekj: | devinheitmueller: I've been using myth way longer you have been |
| [22:23:05] | stuartm: | derekj: perhaps you need to stop and look at the evidence, you're reporting instability that no-one else is experiencing and now you're saying that the whole machine goes down, something that points strongly at hardware issues such as faulty memory |
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| [22:23:11] | sphery: | I can configure any system--Linux or Windows--to be unstable, too |
| [22:23:12] | ** sid3windr has just about no more crashes in mfe and mbe, as opposed to 3 years ago ** | |
| [22:23:33] | derekj: | stuartm: this crash first started in my logs 1/28 |
| [22:23:35] | devinheitmueller: | Um, I don't even know who you are, and as far as I know you don't know who I am, so how can you suggest you've been using it longer? |
| [22:23:47] | derekj: | so I'm not surprised nobody reported it |
| [22:24:17] | Beirdo: | derekj: I doubt you have been using it longer than some of us. |
| [22:24:31] | skd5aner: | derekj: I don't really see them as being defensive as much as you attacking them and they're just stating what they're actually doing |
| [22:24:49] | derekj: | and like I said earlier, whatever that was doesn't seem to trigger with new code (although my friend hasn't really tried the new stuff yet) |
| [22:25:15] | skd5aner: | derekj: out of curiosity, how long have you been using mythtv? |
| [22:25:20] | skd5aner: | what is your comparison? |
| [22:25:27] | ** sphery guesses since 2003 ** | |
| [22:25:32] | stuartm: | derekj: we're not being defensive, we're asking you to help us and you're refusing to make that effort |
| [22:25:33] | stuartm: | provide us with backtraces and stop DDOS'ing me |
| [22:25:39] | ** sid3windr guesses since 1999 ** | |
| [22:25:50] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [22:26:21] | derekj: | I've been using myth so long I don't even recall the version |
| [22:26:43] | skd5aner: | derekj: did you say this crash started 1/28? did you change anything at all on the system (mythtv or otherwise)? |
| [22:26:44] | derekj: | it's been at least 10 years or so, iirc |
| [22:27:12] | skd5aner: | has it even been around 10 years? maybe just barely at this point... but I thought it was around 2003 that it emerged |
| [22:27:14] | sphery: | first mythtv was Apr 2002, so just under 10 years, I'd think |
| [22:27:25] | sphery: | though I still think it's since about Sep 2003 |
| [22:27:27] | stuartm: | apologies if it's not you, I probably jumped to conclusions there, probably coincidental that my firewall is suddenly fending off a storm just after I start a heated discussion with someone :/ |
| [22:28:00] | skd5aner: | derekj: anyway... I had some memory go bad that would lead to sporadic crashes of mythtv AND the occassional lockup at a system level as well... if these just started happening for you, perhaps it really is a hardware issue |
| [22:28:15] | derekj: | stuartm: I wouldn't even bother DDOSing you even if I were motivated to do it |
| [22:28:37] | derekj: | skd5aner: it's not bad memory |
| [22:28:51] | skd5aner: | you've already run memtest/ |
| [22:28:52] | skd5aner: | ? |
| [22:28:57] | derekj: | machine stays up as long as mfe doesn't run |
| [22:29:01] | derekj: | yup |
| [22:29:17] | skd5aner: | so, what changed on 1/28? |
| [22:29:25] | derekj: | and memtest DOES not catch significant memory issues |
| [22:29:51] | derekj: | skd5aner: stand upgrades with fc15 |
| [22:30:26] | sid3windr: | tada.wav |
| [22:31:18] | skd5aner: | and mythtv was part of that upgrade? |
| [22:31:24] | derekj: | nope |
| [22:31:36] | skd5aner: | or just system level stuff...? |
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| [22:31:55] | derekj: | security upgrades, nothing to do with myth |
| [22:32:05] | skd5aner: | so... if it was stable before, and mythtv didn't change – how exactly does that mean it's mythtv's fault (not saying that there might not be... but still) |
| [22:32:31] | stuartm: | derekj: the other possibility is a video driver bug |
| [22:32:42] | derekj: | it's not video driver |
| [22:32:51] | stuartm: | how can you possibly say that so quickly? |
| [22:33:22] | derekj: | because I spent time debugging it |
| [22:33:56] | stuartm: | as I said before, mythtv cannot bring down a whole system, only the kernel/drivers or hardware faults can, that's how linux is structured, apps don't have access to cause that sort of system level failure |
| [22:34:04] | skd5aner: | derekj: I guess the only way to really say one way or the other is to 1) make sure you're running the latest version of whatever you're running (0.24-fixes, MASTER, etc).... and then do a gdb backtrace so the devs can see what exactly is causing the segfault |
| [22:34:21] | derekj: | skd5aner: after fc 15 updates I did a rebuild against source rpms, just as sanity chek |
| [22:34:51] | derekj: | and percompiled) and my rebuild failed in the exact same way |
| [22:35:14] | stuartm: | so if the whole system falls over it's not mythtv which is at fault, but something that mythtv is interacting with – a driver (video or capture card) or even an overheating issue caused through usage of a capture card (they can run very hot under prolonged use) |
| [22:35:28] | devinheitmueller: | which capture card is it? |
| [22:35:45] | derekj: | it's not overheating, first thing I checked (sensors and nvidia-settings) |
| [22:35:57] | derekj: | hdhr |
| [22:36:16] | devinheitmueller: | Ah, good to know. That rules out a bunch of stuff. |
| [22:39:07] | derekj: | so as far as I'm concerned, if someoneone wants to fork, all power to them |
| [22:43:25] | markcerv: | I appear to have a giant backlog in my Job Queue. Every recorded show since Monday at 8pm is wiating to have it's Commercials Flagged. If I don't use commercial skip in the 1st place....can I: a) delete all those queued up jobs and b) prevent them from happening in the first place? |
| [22:45:01] | sphery: | markcerv: you can use either Watch Recordings, find a recording with a commercial detection job queued, and MENU|Job Options|Stop commercial detection, or (likely easier) go to the mythfrontend Information|System Status screen, then select Jobs, then stop the jobs there (probably with either MENU or SELECT, not sure which) |
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| [22:45:54] | markcerv: | sphery: probably like 50 jobs |
| [22:46:06] | markcerv: | i'm firing up VNC |
| [22:46:42] | sphery: | you can also disable commercial detection on each recording rule, then disable, "Run commercial detection: This is the default value used for the automatic commercial detection setting when a new scheduled recording is created." |
| [22:47:12] | pyrodex: | when you do a FORCE delete option what metadata is it actually removing? |
| [22:47:22] | pyrodex: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DELETE_RECORDING_(Myth_Protocol) |
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| [22:48:11] | sphery: | for taking care of the existing jobs, you could also just go to your video source and mark all the channels as commercial free... that way, commercial detection will run, but mythcommflag will notice that the channel is commercial free, so it will just exit |
| [22:48:45] | sphery: | markcerv: ^^^ the best approach is to make sure future recordings don't get queued for commercial detection, but it involves editing all your existing recording rules |
| [22:49:27] | sphery: | (not too hard to do in mythweb... open Recording Schedules, then middle click to get a new tab for each rule, then uncheck "Auto-flag commercials" and submit) |
| [22:49:35] | sphery: | then go to next tab and so on |
| [22:50:00] | sphery: | pyrodex: force delete is the same as delete with the exception that it will still delete metadata even if the file isn't there |
| [22:50:08] | sphery: | (i.e. because the file system is unmounted or something) |
| [22:50:35] | sphery: | in that case--if the file system were unmounted--you just created an orphaned recording file (likely multiple gigabytes of wasted disk space) |
| [22:51:41] | sphery: | normally we refuse to delete info from the database until we've removed the existing file, since it's quite possible that a remote backend with the file isn't running or a file system is unmounted or ... |
| [22:51:45] | markcerv: | For posterity sake: From Top Menu, I Chose "TV", then "System Status", then "Job Queue". Pressing "Enter" while on a highlighted recording, give me a "Delete Job" dialog box. Options are OK or Cancel. I'm choosing OK. |
| [22:51:52] | sphery: | force delete says "delete anyway, regardless of consequences" |
| [22:52:10] | sphery: | markcerv: perfect... that's exactly what you want |
| [22:52:21] | sphery: | figured that would be easiest, but didn't know exact menu options/location |
| [22:53:14] | markcerv: | sphery — Now looking into preventing new ones from happening. Odds are, I'll do it thru Mythweb |
| [22:53:40] | sphery: | yeah, that will be the easiest approach since you can do it "assembly line" style |
| [22:54:04] | pyrodex: | god the documentation for perl bindings sucks compared to python |
| [22:54:12] | sphery: | make sure you also cahgne the setting I mentioned so that new recording rules default to disabling commercial detection |
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| [23:01:48] | pyrodex: | Anyone able to tell me what I am doing wrong? $Myth->backend_command(['DELETE_RECORDING', "1851", "20120215001400", FORGET]); |
| [23:01:58] | pyrodex: | I also tried the fourth argument but it isn't working either. |
| [23:02:21] | kormoc: | which bindings? |
| [23:02:36] | pyrodex: | perl |
| [23:02:44] | ** kormoc pokes xris ** | |
| [23:02:48] | pyrodex: | trying to delete + re-record |
| [23:03:05] | pyrodex: | there is no native entry for it but I could use a myth backend command according to wagnerrp. |
| [23:03:12] | markcerv: | I found where I can change the "Commercial Flag New Recordings" from a "green check" to a "red x" in "Post-processing options", but it appears I need to do this on a per-recording basis. Isn't there some easy MySQL statement that can do it globally for me? |
| [23:03:14] | pyrodex: | and the perl bindings documentation is highly lacking =\ |
| [23:04:45] | xris: | poke huh?> |
| [23:05:04] | pyrodex: | xris are you the perl bindings guru? |
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| [23:05:23] | xris: | I wrote them.. though it's been a couple years since I did much with them. |
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| [23:05:44] | pyrodex: | I am trying to delete + re-record a recording via backend commands |
| [23:06:00] | pyrodex: | $Myth->backend_command(['DELETE_RECORDING', "1851", "20120215001400", FORGET]); |
| [23:06:04] | xris: | check out the flush_deleted_recgroup.pl contrib script for something that does something similar |
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| [23:06:51] | xris: | off-hand, it looks like you're sending FORGET as a literal instead of a string |
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| [23:07:29] | pyrodex: | $Myth->backend_command(['DELETE_RECORDING', "1851", "20120215001400", 'NO_FORCE', 'FORGET']); |
| [23:07:45] | pyrodex: | according to the backend code it needs 4 args |
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| [23:07:51] | xris: | looking at mythweb, there's also a FORGET_RECORDING command |
| [23:08:03] | pyrodex: | ok. So i could delete then forget? |
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| [23:10:42] | xris: | yeah. they're two operations. |
| [23:10:58] | sphery: | that's the traditional way |
| [23:11:00] | xris: | mythweb's usually my go-to for examples on how to do stuff like that. |
| [23:11:23] | sphery: | delete and forget was added later--I think when wagn errp was doing python bindings, he put that in |
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| [23:11:59] | pyrodex: | yea the calls I see to the mythbackend from mythweb are different than documented on the wiki |
| [23:12:01] | drac_boy: | I can't find that much of anything, is there any report anywhere re linux support for different multimedia/mouse remotes? |
| [23:12:13] | drac_boy: | the ones that either comes bundled with tv cards or the ones that can be bought as standalone that is |
| [23:12:46] | sphery: | LIRC is probably the best source of information |
| [23:13:00] | sphery: | that said, it seems the most popular remote, these days, is MCE remote |
| [23:13:34] | drac_boy: | lirc, ok I'm going look. thanks |
| [23:14:17] | drac_boy: | ah I should had thought there would be a package like that one |
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| [23:14:19] | drac_boy: | thanks a lot |
| [23:14:47] | drac_boy: | sphery it'll be so much easier to reuse an existing remote rather than trying to build my own RF sending one after all ;-) |
| [23:17:28] | sphery: | if you do build a nice RF remote, please let me know |
| [23:17:47] | sphery: | I really like RF, but the only useful implementation I've found (ATI Remote Wonder) leaves much to be desired |
| [23:18:38] | sphery: | and with new, cheap RF modules--including low-power bluetooth 4.1--you'd think you could do about 1000x better, today, than back in 1990-something when Remote Wonder (and other X10-style RF remotes) were created |
| [23:19:06] | drac_boy: | heh actually the only reason I thought of RF was that its easy to buy cheap transmitter and receiver for it etc |
| [23:21:16] | xris: | pyrodex: perl bindings and mythweb are a bit out of date. kormoc and I have been lax in keeping things up to date. |
| [23:21:32] | sphery: | yeah, I'm really liking the idea of a nice BTLE4.1 remote that just sends "button press" messages to a standard BT receiver |
| [23:21:56] | sphery: | if not for my complete lack of EE experience, I would actually consider desiging one for myself |
| [23:22:16] | sphery: | seems too many remotes, these days, try to make "smart remotes"--where I want a dumb remote sending messages to a smart computer |
| [23:23:56] | sphery: | so you've got stuff like the Harmony remotes that try to keep track of the state of all sorts of stuff and that no visitor can figure out... And their 880--which is "RF" from the standpoint that it can send out an RF signal--isn't RF from my standpoint because it sends an RF signal to a harmony externder, which then translates that RF signal to IR and sends it to the TV or BluRay player or ... |
| [23:24:20] | sphery: | not really useful to me since my computer is managing everything/has the smarts... I just need to get an RF signal directly to the computer |
| [23:24:45] | sphery: | (going harmony -> RF -> extender -> IR -> LIRC receiver on my computer is just crazy) |
| [23:25:59] | drac_boy: | can't argue with you there |
| [23:26:15] | jams: | see your first step down the wrong path was using a harmony |
| [23:26:18] | drac_boy: | also other thing is, why keep bundling one single remote per settop box with no chance of any cross-controllings at all? |
| [23:26:45] | sphery: | jams: hehe, I never actually took that step--I stuck with the squishy ATI Remote Wonder, instead |
| [23:26:47] | drac_boy: | twenty years ago this was just fine...your vcr remote still could fully control the tv (even had input select button too) |
| [23:27:09] | drac_boy: | but now trying to use your bell dvr remote with your tv is pretty much completely undoneable |
| [23:27:25] | jams: | squishy is a good way to describe it |
| [23:28:58] | xris: | drac_boy: all of the motorola remotes I get from comcast can control a tv and handful of other devices. I'll stick to my harmony One, though.. |
| [23:29:24] | drac_boy: | xris hm thats just a bit too lucky re comcast motorola |
| [23:29:51] | xris: | my parents use a city-owned cable provider with the same hardware. same exact remotes |
| [23:30:00] | sphery: | jams: yeah, I think I picked up "squishy" from you, long ago |
| [23:30:45] | derekj: | drac_boy: what do you mean by lucky? |
| [23:31:18] | drac_boy: | derekj because many of the other carriers have crappy remotes that fall more toward what I mentioned |
| [23:31:45] | derekj: | drac_boy: are you saying bell remote is only capable of controlling stb? |
| [23:32:25] | drac_boy: | bell just for one, theres a few other providers doing the same too |
| [23:32:44] | derekj: | well, in that case that would be pretty lam |
| [23:32:45] | drac_boy: | there is just a "pvr – power" and "tv – power" button but thats it otherwise on the bell one |
| [23:32:48] | derekj: | lame |
| [23:32:52] | drac_boy: | yeah lame for sure |
| [23:33:09] | derekj: | but bell remote uses rf or ir? |
| [23:34:33] | drac_boy: | not sure.... theres two bulbs on the remote..if you cover only one it still works but cover both and the stb doesn't seem to even receive anything |
| [23:34:47] | drac_boy: | so I think some sort of ir maybe |
| [23:34:53] | derekj: | "bulbs" imply ir |
| [23:35:44] | derekj: | just get a JP1/2 remote and get it over with :) |
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| [23:36:51] | drac_boy: | JP1/2? |
| [23:36:56] | Seeker`: | skd5aner: gonna be around in 20 mins or so? |
| [23:37:00] | derekj: | or if you don't mind lack of tactile feedback, use an infrared dongle with your smartphone :) |
| [23:37:21] | derekj: | drac_boy: remotecentral.com |
| [23:37:29] | derekj: | drac_boy: read all about it |
| [23:38:06] | drac_boy: | one second, still have too many digikey windows opened now :-s |
| [23:38:07] | drac_boy: | heh |
| [23:38:15] | derekj: | pfft |
| [23:38:47] | derekj: | seriously, if you're only going to do a one off, building your own doesn't make much sense |
| [23:39:33] | ** drac_boy points out that digikey is for other things ** | |
| [23:39:48] | derekj: | heh |
| [23:40:43] | derekj: | I have a nice surplus store here where I can get all the parts (cheap!) but even then it's still not justifiable |
| [23:41:57] | k-man: | i'm trying to write a brew formula to build mythtv i found that for some reason Q_WS_X11 is not defined and so GL/gl[xu].h don't get included see here: http://pastie.org/3390965 any ideas why it might not be defined? |
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| [23:45:38] | drac_boy: | derekj in some cases its not that easily possible to find certain components off used/recycled electronics |
| [23:46:02] | drac_boy: | especially when it comes to wanting a working VFD displays |
| [23:46:18] | derekj: | drac_boy: this surplus place sells (new) discrete components as well |
| [23:46:30] | skd5aner: | Seeker`: here |
| [23:47:09] | derekj: | drac_boy: components that are just no longer current or overstock |
| [23:49:46] | drac_boy: | ah that would had been nice to have over here too |
| [23:50:34] | drac_boy: | btw the VFD display was for wanting to give some sort of quiet feedback on function of things...especially volume level as well (this coming from the diy amp circuit running off the audio given by the motherboard) |
| [23:50:44] | drac_boy: | and you get the idea on the rest |
| [23:59:24] | drac_boy: | nothing too fancy of course tho |
| [23:59:27] | drac_boy: | want keep cost down :-) |
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