| Tuesday, February 14th, 2012, 00:04 UTC | ||
| [00:04:26] | ** drac_boy wonders if sphery is too busy watching movies now :-p ** | |
| [00:05:11] | sphery: | drac_boy: yeah, no offense taken if you want to run something other than MythTV--in truth, if you don't do much TV recording and/or only care ti watch TV Live, MythTV probably isn't the best choice of media center |
| [00:05:31] | sphery: | and, no, actually was making dinner... now, though--while it cooks--TV :) |
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| [00:06:13] | sphery: | And, as for the rest of the hardware, I probably wouldn't be any help with any of the rest of the hardware... I know a little bit about ATSC capture cards, and not much about anything else. |
| [00:06:28] | drac_boy: | sphery heh I'm still waiting on my pot :-p |
| [00:06:43] | sphery: | don't watch it or it will never boil |
| [00:06:45] | drac_boy: | and sphery I wasn't asking for any help. the motherboard and some other related items are already enroute |
| [00:06:53] | drac_boy: | you're weird heh heh |
| [00:06:57] | drac_boy: | it doesn't need to boil |
| [00:07:05] | drac_boy: | its STIRFRYING! |
| [00:07:13] | sphery: | ah, that sounds good |
| [00:07:43] | drac_boy: | so... |
| [00:09:48] | drac_boy: | enroute in mail: via epia EX15000g, two sata-to-minisata adapters .... here: old psu, a dvdrom I still have around, useable keyboard+mouse ... to buy off shelf soon: corsair refurbish 120gb ssd, corsair 1gb ddr2 stick, one noctua fan .... still planning: wood case with a simple front that would sorta match typical older cabinets |
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| [00:10:24] | drac_boy: | I'm still deciding what to do in term of psu....either take my old psu (never ever been using it for anything anymore) and reofit it .... or buy a new dc-dc psu kit |
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| [00:14:12] | drac_boy: | sphery not bad for a simple htpc isn't it? heh :-) |
| [00:14:31] | drac_boy: | I could have replaced the dvdrom with a slim samsung dvdrw drive I admit tho. still thinking about the usefulness of that |
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| [00:21:50] | ** drac_boy throws my hot supper at sphery ** | |
| [00:21:51] | drac_boy: | heh heh |
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| [00:39:46] | markcerv: | Random question — is there a marketplace (or swap area) for hardware that MythTV can use? — Meaning, on my first iteration into MythTV, I accumulated quite a view Hauppauge 150 and 250 cards. They are just sitting in my parts boxes now, but I'm never going to use them again. Seems like a waste to just e-cycle them. But at the same time, w/ move to High Def, not sure if there is even a want for these parts. Hence, my question about a "swap-me |
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| [00:40:41] | drac_boy: | markcerv have you actually tried kijiji if theres any for your area? or theres large forums with their own tradepost areas too |
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| [00:41:04] | drac_boy: | such as eg arstech forum having a classified post area...including one thread for 'free, just pay for shipping' thats going on 30+ pages long now |
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| [00:43:15] | drac_boy: | markcerv hope that helped a bit perhaps? |
| [00:45:14] | markcerv: | drac_boy – you have a url for the arstech forum, i'm not familiar with it |
| [00:45:24] | drac_boy: | markcerv one sec :-) |
| [00:46:16] | drac_boy: | http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewforum.php?f= . . . 7d6a853d59b0 and you don't have to scroll far to see the 'perpetual freebies' thread .. it almost always gets one post per day on average |
| [00:46:45] | drac_boy: | and for the record, even vintage pc hardwares have been sold through there whether it was free or not. so your cards should be easy sell |
| [00:47:04] | drac_boy: | by vintage I meant like say an isa trident vga card. funny what some buyers are like |
| [00:50:43] | markcerv: | thank you drac_boy, that does help. But I was also wondering if specifically the mythtv had created something like this. I'm guessing not. Ever been discussed before? |
| [00:54:32] | drac_boy: | I don't know, I've only been checking out mythtv irc for a few days now although I had checked the website a few times in past too |
| [00:54:39] | drac_boy: | maybe someone else here will tell you ;-) |
| [00:54:53] | ** drac_boy whacks sphery to get away from the tv already ** | |
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| [01:19:48] | bill6502: | wagnerrp: I just re-tested my earlier failure on my 'real' MythTV box and had no problems. Now I'm attempting to connect to my backend from a remote frontend and IPv4 is used , not IPv6. http://pastebin.com/fs9df4Ta |
| [01:20:06] | bill6502: | Is there a way to force the FE to use IPv6? |
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| [01:29:33] | wagnerrp: | the frontend prefers ipv6 if available, falling through to ipv4 if not |
| [01:31:52] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ext.cpp#L972 |
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| [01:33:17] | bill6502: | wagnerrp: Thanks, yet when I looked at it with Wireshark, IPv4 is being used. I tried twice, but, I'll do another test. |
| [01:33:18] | wagnerrp: | basically, BackendServerIP6 must be set for the server, and the client itself must have an IPv6 address defined itself |
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| [01:35:04] | bill6502: | The client address defined somewhere in MythTV, for just the one assigned for the system (e.g. as seen in ifconfig?) |
| [01:35:10] | wagnerrp: | bill6502: note, those values are only ever used for direct file transfers |
| [01:35:37] | wagnerrp: | for all other communication, it just uses whatever the MasterServerIP is set to |
| [01:35:59] | wagnerrp: | so if thats set to an IPv4 address, its going to use an IPv4 address |
| [01:39:06] | bill6502: | I never got as far as playing a recording. I just looked at initial FE startup. I'll give it a try, thanks again. (I'm thinking with my 'old' IPv6 hat on.) |
| [01:40:17] | wagnerrp: | actually, now that im looking at that method |
| [01:40:27] | wagnerrp: | im thinking the default ipv4 configuration may be broken |
| [01:40:55] | wagnerrp: | since BackendServerIP6 would be set to "::1" for loopback by default |
| [01:41:12] | wagnerrp: | even if the ipv4 address is network routable |
| [01:42:37] | bill6502: | I saw the dbcheck.cpp change and the 1st thing I modified after updating was ::1 to my Universal Local Address, and that's what I planned to put in the Wiki. |
| [01:43:28] | wagnerrp: | if you were using ipv6 previously, it should have populated BackendServerIP6 instead, and left BackendServerIP as 127.0.0.1 |
| [01:44:09] | bill6502: | Prior to updating, I made sure all addresses were IPv4, to simulate a 0.24 user upgrading. |
| [01:44:30] | wagnerrp: | well the schema update was intended to make sure that didnt matter |
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| [01:48:38] | tweek__: | only solution to corrupted or illegible closed-caption streams is to get a better tuner driver or reception, right? |
| [01:49:16] | wagnerrp: | usually if your CC stream is giving out, theres all sorts of mess in the video stream |
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| [01:55:59] | tweek__: | seems to depend on the channel I guess |
| [01:56:56] | tweek__: | image quality / audio channel doesn't have any visible problems, but tools do find occasional problems with the streams |
| [01:57:29] | tweek__: | usually the captions repeat characters, like the text version of someone stuttering |
| [01:57:44] | tweek__: | RERECOCOVERERED D NINICELELY ... |
| [01:57:51] | tweek__: | instead of just 'RECOVERED NICELY ...' |
| [01:57:56] | wagnerrp: | is this analog or digital closed captions? |
| [01:58:01] | tweek__: | digital ATSC |
| [01:58:22] | tweek__: | it's almost like there's two caption streams being collapsed into one |
| [01:58:27] | wagnerrp: | or VBI (analog) closed captions placed in-frame on an ATSC broadcast |
| [01:59:23] | tweek__: | not knowing much about the captioning process, I'd say VBI captions are more likely |
| [01:59:32] | drac_boy: | I've found captioning on the few atsc I've seen to be quite too useless |
| [01:59:53] | wagnerrp: | VBI is that mess of flickering white bars at the top of a 4:3 broadcast |
| [01:59:53] | drac_boy: | can't understand why the disability rights act hasn't fixed this since august 2011 :-/ |
| [02:00:05] | tweek__: | oh so THAT's what that is |
| [02:00:32] | wagnerrp: | its __supposed__ to be rendered off screen on analog broadcasts |
| [02:00:48] | wagnerrp: | and its __supposed__ to be gone entirely from digital broadcasts |
| [02:00:55] | wagnerrp: | but you know how that goes |
| [02:01:09] | tweek__: | yeah, this is a 1080p FOX digital broadcast |
| [02:01:12] | tweek__: | zero problems with the captions |
| [02:01:19] | wagnerrp: | no such thing |
| [02:01:46] | wagnerrp: | well first, no one does 1080p over ATSC, the spec allows for it, but theres not enough bandwidth to pull it off |
| [02:01:50] | drac_boy: | then again why is the picture always a bit choppy all the times either |
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| [02:02:00] | wagnerrp: | second, all FOX affiliates are 720p |
| [02:02:10] | tweek__: | that's probably right |
| [02:02:29] | tweek__: | MPEG recordings are 1080x1920, maybe it's upscaled |
| [02:02:40] | tweek__: | err other way around |
| [02:03:05] | bill6502: | wagnerrp: Just played back a few seconds of a recording and I saw the IPv6. So IFF a user didn't use services that depend on IPv4, they could set MasterServerIP/BackendServerIP to IPv6 addresses? |
| [02:04:24] | wagnerrp: | BackendServerIP[6] are for IPv4 and IPv6, respectively, only |
| [02:04:46] | wagnerrp: | if either are blank, the various servers will listen to any private IPv4 address, or any non-link-local IPv6 address |
| [02:05:02] | wagnerrp: | or if set to loopback, they will be restricted to loopback |
| [02:05:16] | wagnerrp: | the MasterServerIP is still the same behavior as before |
| [02:05:29] | wagnerrp: | it signifies what machine is the master backend, and is used for most internal communication |
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| [02:05:58] | wagnerrp: | basically, all internal communication besides direct file transfers go through the master backend, and whatever address you specify there |
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| [02:08:11] | bill6502: | But "whatever address" must be IPv4, right? |
| [02:09:10] | wagnerrp: | more specifically, it must be an address accessible by any application that might try to interface with mythtv over the backend protocol |
| [02:09:42] | wagnerrp: | if all your frontends, slave backends, and mythweb run on machines that support ipv6 |
| [02:09:48] | wagnerrp: | then you can set that to an ipv6 address |
| [02:10:33] | wagnerrp: | although it would probably be worth adding something in the code to allow mythtv applications to fall through to BackendServerIP if they do not support ipv6 |
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| [02:18:02] | bill6502: | For now, it sounds like I'll only speak to changing BackendServerIP6 (for the sake of UPnP users etc.) I could add a table of valid combinations, but it would require anyone attempting to force IPv6 to know which services don't support it. |
| [02:18:29] | wagnerrp: | UPnP should "just work" |
| [02:19:00] | wagnerrp: | if you have a BackendServerIP listed, it will listen there |
| [02:19:11] | wagnerrp: | if not, it will listen on all private IPv4 addresses |
| [02:19:44] | wagnerrp: | and the discovery daemon should return an IPv4 address to search queries |
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| [02:49:11] | bill6502: | wagnerrp: I'm off to dinner, thanks for the detail. |
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| [03:32:41] | jya: | Is ArcLight up to date with current 0.25 (e.g. is it available)? |
| [03:33:14] | [R]: | its in the theme chooser |
| [03:34:37] | jya: | ok.. cause I ran a freshly compiled version, and I didn't see it |
| [03:35:19] | jya: | oh well, I gather I should upgrade all my myth machines to 0.25 in the aim of find as much bugs as possible |
| [03:37:07] | [R]: | themes aren't includded anymore |
| [03:38:52] | jya: | i mean they weren't showing in the theme downloader |
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| [03:41:26] | [R]: | you have to hit menu |
| [03:41:29] | [R]: | and do like show downloadable |
| [03:55:02] | jya: | oh, plenty of new themes.. cool |
| [03:56:39] | jya: | hum… it transfer then gives me an error RemoteFile::openSocket(file data socket): Failed to open socket, error was filetransfer_filename_empty |
| [03:57:15] | [R]: | yeah, i always have to try it like twice |
| [03:57:52] | jya: | well, i'm on my 3rd time on the 2nd theme… no go… Tried "A Forest" and "arclight" so far |
| [03:58:49] | jya: | it downloads, then nothing... |
| [03:59:05] | [R]: | anythign in the backend log? |
| [03:59:25] | jya: | no |
| [03:59:39] | jya: | all the other themes just point me back to where I was. |
| [03:59:54] | jya: | MythBuntu theme however downloaded and put me back at the top of the setup menu |
| [04:00:08] | jya: | I exited mythfrontend and restarted it.. now I see the theme |
| [04:00:38] | jya: | interesting, now in the theme list I only have 5 |
| [04:00:49] | [R]: | did you enable the downloadable again? |
| [04:01:38] | jya: | i did yes… now I see all the themes once again.. let see if it will work this time |
| [04:01:47] | jya: | I have to start the bug reporting going :) |
| [04:02:05] | jya: | nah.. same with Arclight 25.11 |
| [04:02:25] | jya: | it starts downloading, I see the progress bar. The progress bar disappear and on the console I see |
| [04:02:32] | jya: | RemoteFile::openSocket(file data socket): Failed to open socket, error was filetransfer_filename_empty |
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| [04:06:02] | [R]: | yeah i've only done it a few times |
| [04:06:08] | [R]: | and trying to do it twice usually made it work |
| [04:06:50] | jya: | I can see it downloading the file |
| [04:07:17] | jya: | maybe I should try deleting the cache theme in ~/.mythtv |
| [04:11:00] | jya: | I see in the log, there's a permission issue for the user running mythbackend |
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| [04:11:32] | [R]: | there you go |
| [04:11:49] | jya: | I had to enable extra log, and nothing shows up on the frontend log |
| [04:11:58] | jya: | hard to troubleshoot |
| [04:13:07] | jya: | now doing it twice works |
| [04:17:38] | Roklobsta: | jya: hi is bubblesoft making any fancy MythTV apps? |
| [04:18:07] | jya: | nope… iamlindoro is doing one, so I didn't see the point in starting another one |
| [04:18:30] | Roklobsta: | do you have an URL for his? |
| [04:18:53] | jya: | he has only shown a preview on the mythtv user list. |
| [04:19:03] | jya: | it won't be available before 0.25 is out |
| [04:19:08] | Roklobsta: | ok |
| [04:19:21] | Roklobsta: | is it for ipad? |
| [04:20:39] | jya: | it is |
| [04:21:01] | wagnerrp: | http://vimeo.com/user9091952 |
| [04:21:04] | Roklobsta: | does anyone else have a problem with the "thermometer" bar on the stanard mythtv OSD being blanked out? |
| [04:22:35] | [R]: | what is a "thermometer bar"... and what is a "standard osd" |
| [04:23:42] | Roklobsta: | oh i mean the horizontal progress bar and the standard mythtv blue theme. |
| [04:24:18] | [R]: | "blue theme"? |
| [04:24:48] | wagnerrp: | likely mythcenter |
| [04:24:57] | jya: | watching iamlindoro video, takes a while for live streaming to start.. AirVideo starts almost instantly doing something similar... |
| [04:25:27] | wagnerrp: | its not due to the app |
| [04:25:41] | wagnerrp: | but rather spooling up a couple segments of transcoded video on the backend |
| [04:25:47] | jya: | i understand that… but unless he has a pretty slow backend |
| [04:26:19] | wagnerrp: | i believe he was doing it on a laptop, at the same time as he was running the ipad emulator for playback on the same laptop |
| [04:26:21] | jya: | or buffer too much.. it looks pretty cool.. This will be a very good app |
| [04:26:33] | jya: | the price he talked about asking seems very low for what you get |
| [04:26:40] | jya: | AirVideo, which I consider cheap cost much more |
| [04:26:54] | wagnerrp: | theyre 10s segments of video |
| [04:27:05] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how many he has it build before playback starts |
| [04:27:08] | jya: | but how many does he wait for before starting? |
| [04:27:23] | jya: | has he mentioned if this app would be open source or not ? |
| [04:27:36] | wagnerrp: | at the moment, no |
| [04:28:11] | jya: | $1.99 for what no doubt has taken a massive amount of his time is very low IMHO |
| [04:28:23] | Roklobsta: | yes: mythcentre wide the progress bar for us doesn't exist, it seems to be just a slightly darker blue rectangle with some white pixels randomly scattered on the bottom edge of the rectangle. |
| [04:28:44] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, the price is based off him expecting to sell a couple hundred copies, and wanting to make up the cost of the ipad and developer's license |
| [04:28:56] | Roklobsta: | i'll buy it |
| [04:29:17] | jya: | wagnerrp: in trunk, should I disable my cron running jamu ? |
| [04:29:30] | jya: | is everything jamu doing now performed by myth natively? |
| [04:29:37] | wagnerrp: | it should be, yes |
| [04:29:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe jamu was ever updated to properly populate the new recording artwork table |
| [04:30:24] | Roklobsta: | oh will shepherd break on "0.25"? |
| [04:30:28] | wagnerrp: | largely because their addition rendered jamu deprecated |
| [04:30:39] | wagnerrp: | shepherd wont break on any version |
| [04:30:44] | Roklobsta: | phew |
| [04:30:46] | wagnerrp: | because mythtv does not talk to shepherd |
| [04:30:49] | Roklobsta: | ok |
| [04:30:57] | wagnerrp: | its an XMLTV grabber |
| [04:31:09] | wagnerrp: | so it outputs to a common format, and then mythtv imports from that common format |
| [04:31:20] | Roklobsta: | ok so the schema hasn't changed. |
| [04:32:04] | Roklobsta: | sheperd is one of those nice little pieces of software that once set up just works without another thought ever going into it. |
| [04:33:33] | jya: | oh, wagnerrp wanted to tell you.. the simplejson python module found in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS doesn't have one of the import used by the hardware profiler |
| [04:33:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i need to fix that |
| [04:34:03] | wagnerrp: | i removed it, since json support is included in any modern version of python |
| [04:34:12] | wagnerrp: | but it seems the dependency slipped back in during upstream updates |
| [04:34:29] | Roklobsta: | jya are you using/sticking with 10.04? |
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| [04:34:42] | jya: | until 12.04 LTS comes out yes |
| [04:34:54] | bcgrown: | hi y'all |
| [04:35:03] | jya: | assuming the new release of ubuntu will be LTS |
| [04:36:44] | jya: | hum… the speaker-test in the setup wizard doesn work |
| [04:37:31] | jya: | it stays in stereo mode, even though I've configured 7.1 |
| [04:37:52] | ** jya adding to list to fix ** | |
| [04:41:00] | bcgrown: | anyone have experience with firewire cable boxes? my dct6412 III doesn't respond to plugctl even though it shows up fine in plugreport |
| [04:44:02] | ertyu-m: | plugctl just sets the parameters doesn't it? |
| [04:45:01] | bcgrown: | er, woops. I meant firewire_tester, not plugctl |
| [04:46:48] | ertyu-m: | try broadcast mode |
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| [04:49:26] | bcgrown: | tried broadcast, tried point to point, tried resetting the bus. no joy |
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| [04:51:53] | rok_: | too new to mythtv for my own good, but i have a couple questions i was hoping to get help with... |
| [04:53:21] | achew22: | I just installed the latest mythbuntu nightlies and there was a schema upgrade. When I run it it bails and I don't understand why. Could someone help me out and tell me how to address this? http://pastebin.com/VkhSGWvV |
| [04:53:40] | rok_: | 1) i have a linux server i use as an htpc now. i'd like to turn it into a mythtv box also, but i don't currently have a capture card. with my TV now, i use ota. however, i do have cable hookups where they don't scramble any of the basic channels even though i don't pay for it, so i can get them that way too. any recommendations on what tuner card i should buy? |
| [04:55:40] | sphery: | achew22: you've misconfigured your system... If you'll notice, "mythtv.springs.achew22.com," is not an IP address, and, therefore, is an invalid value for the setting IP address |
| [04:56:18] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [04:56:18] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [04:56:22] | sphery: | rok_: ^^^ |
| [04:56:51] | jya: | sphery: pretty cool this !url thing… what other keywords are supported? |
| [04:56:53] | sphery: | rok_: you'll want to look at ATSC for OTA (in USA, assuming based on your address) |
| [04:57:13] | achew22: | sphery: I'm confused, in the config.xml file, the variable is called "DBHostName" |
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| [04:57:53] | rok_: | sphery: thanks |
| [05:00:25] | rok_: | question 2) i know this isn't directly related to mythtv, but you may have experience with it, so... i also have a pet project to take a lot of old VHS tapes and convert them into digital files, do some editing, and then maybe burn them to DVDs. i know i could go from VHS to DVDs with a combo player/DVD recorder, but it would be wasteful as i wouldn't have the necessary editing step. what kind of hardware would i need to go stra |
| [05:00:30] | sphery: | jya: you can find out more info with "/q MythLogBot help url" which will show--though it's hard to parse the syntax that you can get the list with: /q MythLogBot url #mythtv-users – list |
| [05:01:52] | sphery: | achew22: DBHostName can be a host name, however, the this backend and master backend "IP address" settings must be IP addresses |
| [05:02:38] | sphery: | achew22: you normally set those in mythtv-setup, but now, since you have invalid values that cause the update to fail, and since mythtv-setup will try to upgrade the database before you run it, you'll have to edit them directly |
| [05:04:01] | sphery: | achew22: specifically, BackendServerIP and MasterServerIP must be changed to addresses |
| [05:05:51] | sphery: | rok_: For that you want a hardware encoder capture device. Old VHS tapes will be standard-definition video, so you don't need a Hauppauge HD-PVR (the only hardware encoding device for high-definition video that works on Linux) |
| [05:06:28] | achew22: | sphery: Hrm… I switched to using a hostname a few months ago and hadn't run into any issues (prior to now) since then. Is there a way to use hostnames? |
| [05:07:18] | sphery: | rok_: so you'd want a PVR-150 (no longer sold in the US because it's analog, only, and the FCC sued Hauppauge for selling it, but you can find them used on eBay or whatever) or--better--since you need to get a capture device for OTA, get one that includes ATSC/QAM (digital) reception and a SDTV hardware encoder--such as the Hauppauge HVR-1600 (PCI) or the Hauppauge HVR-2250 (PCIe) |
| [05:07:56] | sphery: | achew22: no, the only supported configuration for the ip address setting is using an IPv4 or IPv6 address |
| [05:08:05] | achew22: | too bad… :( |
| [05:08:12] | sphery: | that's why it's called IP address, and not "hostname or ip address" :) |
| [05:08:23] | achew22: | Okay, thanks — I really appreciate it |
| [05:08:29] | achew22: | sphery: As always, thanks |
| [05:08:40] | sphery: | we've done it that way so that mythtv works without/isn't reliant upon external name servers |
| [05:09:43] | sphery: | rok_: also note that transferring old VHS videos to digital is ony worthwhile if they're one-of-a-kind videos--i.e. home videos that you can't just go out and re-purchase on DVD or BluRay |
| [05:10:19] | rok_: | sphery: yep, that's exactly what they are. so the idea is i'd use the s-video in on the capture card from whatever VHS player i end up with? |
| [05:11:02] | rok_: | (sorry if i'm using the wrong terminology — encoder card) |
| [05:11:06] | sphery: | rok_: if you try to capture, for example, old movies, you'll suffer a ton of problems (including dealing with MacroVision encoding--which is meant to prevent you from copying them--not to mention the fact that it takes a /ton/ of time to make usable digital copies of old VHS videos--IMHO, more than $20 worth of time per video) |
| [05:11:31] | sphery: | ok, good... just wanted to make sure the videos were worth the time :) |
| [05:11:58] | rok_: | yep, family treasures, haha. |
| [05:12:18] | sphery: | and, yeah, you'd just plug the S-Video (or Composite (RCA)) output from your VHS player into the HVR-1600 or HVR-2250 |
| [05:12:26] | sphery: | which bus type do you have available? |
| [05:12:31] | sphery: | PCI or PCIe |
| [05:13:00] | sphery: | (there are also USB-based ones, but I highly recommend against USB... IME, USB is not a long-term reliable solution, as you want for a DVR appliance) |
| [05:13:35] | rok_: | well, sort of both. right now i have 2 radeon 4870s crossfired. as it currently sits, there isn't enough room to add any more cards because of the size. so, i'd have to take away one of the graphic cards, at which point, i may as well use PCIe. |
| [05:14:48] | sphery: | jya: oh, and I forgot... to get a list of commands (for help <command>): /q MythLogBot list |
| [05:15:29] | sphery: | rok_: yeah, and in reality, (symmetric) crossfire support is useless to a mythtv box |
| [05:16:04] | sphery: | really, though, for MythTV, you'll have much better results with nvidia-based video cards and nvidia proprietary drivers |
| [05:16:41] | sphery: | AMD's driver support leaves a bit to be desired and is lacking support for a good video display and decoding API |
| [05:17:07] | sphery: | nvidia provides support for VDPAU, which is a great API for video display and decodign |
| [05:18:53] | achew22: | until this recent upgrade I was able to tell iTunes and my roommates iPhone to play out of mythtv. I think commit cc1f54c0f2bd3c89b48d78ac949dbcf3e1aa3c8d messed that up because I haven't entered the key. It looks to me like it is looking for it in a file specified here https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/cc1f54c . . . on.cpp#L710. Does anyone know what format the |
| [05:18:58] | sphery: | thinking about it, I can't even imagine asymmetric crossfire being useful... at first thought, "well, might allow you to have a good, but power-hungry, video card that you could leave disabled for power savings and then use only when needed", but mythtv really doesn't need a good video card... just a reasonably modified video card with good drivers |
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| [05:21:55] | sphery: | achew22: (your message got cut off after "know what format the" due to max line length in IRC, but I think I got the gist) It just needs to be a standard RSA private key file format... So, it would be identical format to the keys you'll find in ~/.ssh/id_rsa (not ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub) |
| [05:22:07] | achew22: | okay, thank you |
| [05:22:16] | sphery: | just needs the appropriate Apple private key in there |
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| [05:22:54] | sphery: | if you don't have a ~/.ssh/id_rsa, please let me know and I'll give you a command that shows how to make one so you can see format (but the key you make won't work for airplay/raop--since it has to be apple's private key) |
| [05:23:55] | sphery: | rok_: hehe, "reasonably modified video card" was supposed to be "reasonably modern"... perhaps I'm too tired to be talking in here and should watch some TV :) |
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| [05:27:04] | achew22: | sphery: Hey, that is really damn cool! My roommate pulled up youtube and it had the same icon to send it to the TV. Do you know if that protocol is part of RAOP or is it something else? |
| [05:28:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: re: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2012-02-14:04:53 , can you think of a way to allow a user to update IP address settings (to actual addresses) if they had a host name for the IP address and fail the 1296 db update? |
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| [05:28:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | jya, I think he's waiting for 2 or 3 segments to be ready rather than just 1, so that's a little extra delay. |
| [05:29:00] | sphery: | achew22: AIUI, there is support in the protocol for video, but mythtv doesn't have support for it, yet (or has only basis support)? |
| [05:29:03] | wagnerrp: | hahahahaa |
| [05:29:37] | wagnerrp: | revert back to the previous schema and try again? |
| [05:29:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I just told him to edit them directly, but wondered if there might be another way... I have a feeling this will hit a few users |
| [05:29:53] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, he could just edit the setting now and proceed |
| [05:30:05] | sphery: | yeah, that's what he did |
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| [05:30:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | jya, I also have a test patch for MythWeb to enable HLS playback via JW Player, but didn't have time to make it more user friendly and clean it up before the freeze. it can start streams, stop them, and play them back though. |
| [05:30:14] | wagnerrp: | all its doing is checking the value in the old setting, and applying it to the new setting |
| [05:30:28] | wagnerrp: | theres no real harm in running that particular schema update hundreds of times |
| [05:30:31] | sphery: | I guess it's not too big a deal if those who have it broken have to work a bit harder to fix it--will help them see why it's asking for an ip address |
| [05:30:53] | sphery: | where "work a bit harder" means do a manual DB edit |
| [05:31:56] | sphery: | we really ought to check to see if the address is a hostname, and, if so, write out a really ugly warning for them that it's misconfigured and things will fail, eventually |
| [05:34:26] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: so, do you know of a reason that RemoteFile::Exists(const QString &url, struct stat *fileinfo) would return only true and not return a valid file size, etc.? |
| [05:34:59] | k-man: | which version of qt should one use for building mythtv these days? |
| [05:35:04] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ile.cpp#L292 function, btw |
| [05:35:34] | sphery: | k-man: we support 4.6 and above, but if you ever do SSH X forwarding, I'd recommend 4.6.x or 4.7.x |
| [05:35:43] | sphery: | I'm happily using 4.7.3, now |
| [05:35:53] | k-man: | sphery: ok, thanks |
| [05:36:32] | sphery: | when I was doing some multi-version testing, I noticed that even when using the Qt painter with ssh X forwarding, Qt was using opengl underneath (so the UI was extremely and annoyingly slow) |
| [05:36:45] | sphery: | on 4.8 that is |
| [05:37:00] | sphery: | on 4.7 and 4.6, it doesn't use opengl unless you tell mythtv to use opengl |
| [05:37:47] | rok_: | sphery: sorry, got distracted by the wife. yeah, i agree, i don't think crossfire would really be helpful and i would prefer to be running nvidia for VDPAU, but it's what that linux box ended up with right now due to hand-me-downs. |
| [05:37:50] | k-man: | sphery: i'm just revisiting my previously failed attempt to build mythtv using mac homebrew. homebrew seems to default to using 4.8 currently so I'll see how that goes |
| [05:37:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, not unless it's called with a null pointer |
| [05:38:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | are you seeing the file size, etc. sent back over the wire? |
| [05:38:54] | rok_: | sphery: sorry, got distracted by the wife. yeah, i agree, i don't think crossfire would really be helpful and i would prefer to be running nvidia for VDPAU, but it's what that linux box ended up with right now due to hand-me-downs. |
| [05:39:07] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: don't have a lot of info, yet... trying to decide whether to make a logging patch or if I can figure it out just by reading code, but http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/504152#504152 is the report |
| [05:39:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | rok_, you said that already, or did you get distracted again? :) |
| [05:39:17] | rok_: | haha |
| [05:39:36] | rok_: | i was going to make up some excuse about refreshing a web page with POST data, but you caught me. |
| [05:39:39] | rok_: | :D |
| [05:40:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i just realized, you cant get into mythtv-setup to fix it, because mythtv-setup wants to update the schema every time, fails, and terminates |
| [05:40:14] | k-man: | sphery: does it still need to be built with the qt3support? |
| [05:40:15] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: and I think it may have been caused by my change https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/a6dc3f61497 , which assumed that I'll always get a valid file size from RemoteFile::Exists() |
| [05:40:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: theres no reason why i couldnt add a big warning during the update, and reset the values on those hosts back to localhost |
| [05:40:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: also, theres no reason why MasterServerIP couldnt be altered relatively easily to accept a hostname |
| [05:41:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that might be nice... that way we don't have to tell them to edit it... temporarily set to localhost to allow running mythtv-setup, then tell them the system won't work until they start mythtv-setup and set the properly |
| [05:41:34] | wagnerrp: | if they _do_ have that value set to a hostname, their system already doesnt work |
| [05:41:56] | wagnerrp: | which by most rights means they only have one system theyre trying to link in |
| [05:42:04] | wagnerrp: | localhost would work in that scenario |
| [05:42:29] | sphery: | well, I think achew22 said he didn't notice any issues with it for several months |
| [05:42:39] | sphery: | I don't know how many systems he has, though |
| [05:43:04] | sphery: | k-man: ttbomk, yes, we need qt3support, still... maybe not for long, though |
| [05:43:28] | k-man: | sphery: long meaning weeks or months or years? |
| [05:43:29] | achew22: | sphery: I only had issues when I did a schema upgrade |
| [05:43:40] | wagnerrp: | i could have the address configuration mechanism at the beginning of mythcontext automatically self-terminate if those are not set to valid ip addresses |
| [05:43:46] | sphery: | k-man: there's little use left, but feel free to compile without qt3support, then fix any issues you encounter/convert to qt4 classes, and submit patches |
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| [05:43:58] | achew22: | k-man: I would say > 4 months < 6 months |
| [05:44:09] | wagnerrp: | and do the same thing for ip addresses not defined on that host |
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| [05:44:23] | wagnerrp: | put in a specific exception for mythtv-setup, so you can still run it and change those |
| [05:44:34] | sphery: | IIRC, mythtranscode and mythmusic were the bit qt3support-using ones... both of them have been updated to qt4 since 0.24, though |
| [05:44:49] | sphery: | (oh, and if you're compiling 0.24-fixes, you /definitely/ need qt3support) |
| [05:44:58] | k-man: | i intend to focus on just getting mytht to compile using mac homebrew – but if by some miracle i get that to work, i'll look at the qt3support thing ;) |
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| [05:45:29] | sphery: | achew22: how many hosts do you have in your mythtv system |
| [05:46:05] | achew22: | it varies with laptops coming and going (and joining other myth enabled networks) but 4 most of the time |
| [05:46:13] | sphery: | ok, so more than 1 |
| [05:46:34] | sphery: | just wondered |
| [05:48:25] | achew22: | that's actually why I started using hostnames |
| [05:48:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: as for MasterServerIP supporting hostnames, I think it's a bad idea as long as BackendServerIP doesn't--as it will make it more confusing for users... I say all support only addresses or all support either hostnames or addresses |
| [05:49:20] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the whole purpose of backendserverip is to tell mythtv what its supposed to listen on |
| [05:49:41] | wagnerrp: | theres no way to automagically guess on anything but the most basic networking setups |
| [05:49:41] | sphery: | right, but it has to match masterserverip on master, right? |
| [05:49:49] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [05:50:00] | sphery: | so we know which is master? |
| [05:50:16] | sphery: | or are you saying convert the code that's checking masterserverip == backendserverip, too |
| [05:50:18] | wagnerrp: | the system knows what its own hostname is |
| [05:50:27] | wagnerrp: | i already modified that code once |
| [05:50:39] | wagnerrp: | because its matching against both BackendServerIP and BackendServerIP6 |
| [05:50:44] | sphery: | anyway, still, I think we should just do ip addresses for both until we support hostnames for both |
| [05:51:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, nothing stands out to me. it might be the stat fails on the backend for some reason and we're returning a '1' meaning the file exists, but no stat info. I'd see if he can get "-v network --loglevel debug" output of the QUERY_FILE_EXISTS response. |
| [05:51:13] | wagnerrp: | and im putting together a patch to abstract the master host, in the event we have an ipv4 only client, and they configured an ipv6 address for the masterserverip |
| [05:51:33] | wagnerrp: | at that point, its no different if that masterserverip is actually an ip, or a hostname |
| [05:51:36] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: nice... thanks. I hadn't yet found a useful verbose/log level to request |
| [05:51:44] | wagnerrp: | its just one more conditional statement in that method |
| [05:51:53] | sphery: | that will be much easier than me trying to find a way to test this with only one host |
| [05:52:10] | sphery: | (and, especially since it seems something else may be involved) |
| [05:52:38] | wagnerrp: | oh, and castle is doing some nasty 'magical computer work' this episode |
| [05:53:13] | wagnerrp: | two people pounding away on keyboards, somehow coordinating their efforts to manipulate a single large format display |
| [05:53:18] | wagnerrp: | and not using mouses |
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| [05:54:39] | sphery: | hehe |
| [05:55:19] | wagnerrp: | oh no! |
| [05:55:29] | sphery: | I'm still trying to figure out how to proceed on Castle... lost the season premiere and 2nd episode in HDD failure, and kind of want to see how he comes back this time before continuing on |
| [05:55:46] | sphery: | might have to use Amazon VOD or something |
| [05:55:58] | wagnerrp: | theyre enhancing security camera footage, tie it into muscular mapping software, and using it to read lips |
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| [05:56:54] | tweek__: | let's make an interface in visual basic |
| [05:56:55] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: the ability to watch video properly from mythweb is something everyone has been waiting for a long time |
| [05:56:56] | tweek__: | to hack the interwebs |
| [05:58:42] | sphery: | tweek__: or a virus to take out an alien spaceship... oh, wait, you can only do that on Mac OS |
| [05:58:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | jya, yeah, it was part of the reason I worked on HLS. the other being that it enables me to watch (most) any recording/video on my iPhone or iPod or Android tablet via a HLS test page that I have that lists existing streams and allows starting/stopping/playing. |
| [05:59:25] | jya: | well, if you've started adding it, now it's just bug fix isn't it ? :P |
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| [06:16:56] | [R]: | bcgrown: its not like nothing else works... |
| [06:16:56] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: AFAIK, we only have two canadian devs currently |
| [06:16:56] | bcgrown: | xris: yes but if other options are now less supported/maintained... |
| [06:16:56] | wagnerrp: | one is rarely around |
| [06:16:56] | tweek__: | I've heard that cable providers are moving away from CableCARD anyway |
| [06:16:56] | wagnerrp: | and the other doesnt consider himself a dev, as hes "only a translator" |
| [06:16:56] | xris: | bcgrown: AFAIK from a driver point of view they're all pretty similar. |
| [06:16:56] | tweek__: | after realizing that it's pretty easy now for people to record content without any copy protection |
| [06:16:56] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: i wish i could help, but i'm not any kind of dev |
| [06:16:56] | wagnerrp: | tweek__: on the contrary |
| [06:17:16] | xris: | tweek__: well, and switching to IP-based multicast stuff frees up a lot of bandwidth on the lines so they can provide more HD content to more people. |
| [06:17:26] | wagnerrp: | the FCC declared cablecard an utter failure, because the licensing demands the cable industry placed on it meant that after several years, there were only a handful of products |
| [06:21:37] | wagnerrp: | shortly after doing so, cable labs recanted, and significantly lightened up the restrictions |
| [06:21:37] | xris: | wagnerrp: yeah, so now we get cable card *and* tuning adapters. :) |
| [06:21:37] | tweek__: | true |
| [06:21:37] | wagnerrp: | and while we still dont have that flood of TVs and 3rd party boxes with cablecard support |
| [06:21:37] | wagnerrp: | at least we have a couple of usable tuners |
| [06:21:37] | sphery: | and cable companies are looking for a replacement, now, after realizing that now that cablecard is usable on non-cable-co equipment, they're losing STB rental income |
| [06:21:37] | wagnerrp: | and yeah, the whole tuning adapter thing is completely bogus |
| [06:21:37] | tweek__: | my cable provider would require a rental fee for the CableCARD itself |
| [06:21:37] | bcgrown: | what does this mean: P2P: Testing...libiec61883 warning: No plugs exist on either node; using default broadcast channel 63. |
| [06:21:37] | xris: | tweek__: they all do. but it's a lot less. for me, card is $3/mo but an HD box is about $15 |
| [06:21:37] | sphery: | bcgrown: yeah, but $2-$4/mo for a 4-tuner cable card versus $6–10/mo for a single-tuner STB is a huge difference in income |
| [06:21:37] | sphery: | er, tweek__ ^^^ |
| [06:21:37] | tweek__: | is it still $20/yr for SchedulesDirect guides in MythTV? |
| [06:21:37] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [06:21:37] | sphery: | tweek__: $25/yr |
| [06:21:37] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: and me... but I'm not living in Canada :) |
| [06:21:37] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: which means you dont count |
| [06:21:37] | sphery: | Beirdo: you're a Canadian has-been |
| [06:21:37] | Beirdo: | spoken like teh Canadian government |
| [06:21:37] | xris: | poor SD. had a long talk with the IRS today about our charitable status application. |
| [06:21:37] | wagnerrp: | just like how your processor doesnt count as an i7 |
| [06:21:37] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [06:21:37] | sphery: | ooh, making progress, finally |
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| [06:21:39] | ** Beirdo slaps wagnerrp with his i7 ** | |
| [06:21:39] | xris: | sphery: yeah, finally got in front of a human again. and out of the limbo that software projects are now put into. |
| [06:21:39] | sphery: | (or maybe that talk doesn't count as progress, and counts as a setback?) |
| [06:21:39] | wagnerrp: | good thing its only an i5, or that could have hurt |
| [06:21:39] | xris: | but we apparently still look too much like just reselling the guide data |
| [06:21:39] | sphery: | but you can't fix that by donating to/supporting FLOSS without the charitable status? |
| [06:21:39] | xris: | and our "supporting open source development as an educational enterprise" is weak. |
| [06:21:42] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you go fight with Intel :) |
| [06:22:27] | wagnerrp: | you know, since where furthering the development and use of FLOSS, perhaps we could get funding from the ADA |
| [06:22:30] | xris: | sphery: unfortunately, open source software in general is under tighter scrutiny because too many big companies benefit from it (that's why ffmpeg, mythtv and a ton of other software orgs are now in limbo until the IRS makes a decision how to handle them) |
| [06:22:48] | sphery: | ah, so we can blame it on Red Hat? :) |
| [06:22:52] | xris: | wagnerrp: :P (besides, I switched to sonicare's new thing) |
| [06:23:03] | sphery: | (one of the few companies actually doing pretty well with F/LOSS) |
| [06:23:06] | [R]: | wagnerrp: americans with disabilities? |
| [06:23:11] | xris: | sphery: and all of the companies that use apache. and google that uses ffmpeg behind the scenes at youtube, and .... |
| [06:23:36] | sphery: | wonder if xris just restarted schedulesdirect.org... |
| [06:23:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, free software helps no one more than americans with disabilities |
| [06:23:48] | sphery: | (it timed out on me, but now it's working) |
| [06:23:49] | xris: | sphery: ? |
| [06:24:04] | xris: | odd. maybe something odd was happening at rackspace |
| [06:24:10] | sphery: | yeah, seems that may be it |
| [06:24:20] | sphery: | since both mythtv.org and schedulesdirect.org were affected |
| [06:24:31] | tweek__: | there aren't any commercial alternatives to ccextractor |
| [06:24:34] | wagnerrp: | never dropped for me |
| [06:25:12] | wagnerrp: | tweek__: mythccextractor could be considered a commercial application |
| [06:25:47] | tweek__: | most of the experimental neurological interfaces / perception guides for the blind and such are proprietary I'd imagine |
| [06:27:04] | xris: | the problem with a lot of stuff for the IRS is that a group has to be 100% dedicated to a charitable class in order to benefit. so SD or mythtv could easily get charitable status by doing something that *only* serves a charitable group (disabled, kids, poor, etc). |
| [06:27:09] | tweek__: | can't think of too many desktop operating systems without text-to-speech at a minimum, Vista/7 now includes voice recognition |
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| [06:27:33] | xris: | SD gives free data to public schools. it's good, but not enough |
| [06:28:01] | [R]: | you're freeing people from the tyrany of microsoft windowsm edia center |
| [06:28:06] | [R]: | how is that NOT charitable? |
| [06:28:06] | xris: | tweek__: mac OS has had text to speech since the early 90s. |
| [06:28:17] | xris: | [R]: yeah. but not by the IRS's definition of "charitable class". |
| [06:28:21] | [R]: | LOL |
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| [06:37:01] | wagnerrp: | you could hire a couple truckers, and an old geezer with a trans am, to let you bypass those shipping fees |
| [06:37:22] | xris: | heh. states don't like that. was only a year or so they allowed home brewers to bring small amounts across state lines. |
| [06:37:50] | sphery: | or doesn't Kramer and Newman have a mail truck they use for transporting goods? |
| [06:38:31] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:38:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: they only ship _empty_ bottles, not full ones |
| [06:39:22] | sphery: | hehe |
| [06:39:44] | wagnerrp: | and even then, you would be lucky if 70% of the product made it |
| [06:39:55] | wagnerrp: | theyve neer toped 90%, even on their best days |
| [06:41:49] | Beirdo: | WTH is with some of my coworkers? |
| [06:42:19] | Beirdo: | sending me an email at 10:30pm asking for an update on something that I don't even recall seeing before? |
| [06:42:56] | sphery: | what, you expect them to tell you about things they need you to do /before/ they need them done? |
| [06:43:05] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [06:43:07] | sphery: | hehe |
| [06:43:26] | Beirdo: | oh, he DID send it... last Wednesday, buried in my monstrous mailbox |
| [06:43:39] | Beirdo: | asking all sorts of details that should be discussed in a meeting |
| [06:43:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:43:45] | sphery: | fun |
| [06:44:23] | Beirdo: | why do I even look at this time of day? |
| [06:44:24] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:44:44] | sphery: | that's the fun of the always-connected mobile device society |
| [06:44:59] | sphery: | now you don't have to leave work when you leave work |
| [06:48:03] | xris: | heh. try looking for a job and saying you'd really prefer to work only a 40 hour week. :) |
| [06:48:43] | dekarl: | Beirdo, you want http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&a . . . 24%2C00.html |
| [06:50:10] | sphery: | nice |
| [06:50:19] | Beirdo: | haha, especially doing sysadmin/ops work |
| [06:50:57] | sphery: | guess that means that VW workers should only buy blackberry phones--since, presumably, they could send e-mails to the iphones of wemployees :) |
| [06:51:10] | Beirdo: | I leave screen open to work all the time |
| [06:51:24] | wagnerrp: | i dont think it would be that hard, you just have to agree to be around and bug fixing every fourth hour |
| [06:51:35] | Beirdo: | makes it easier when I'm on-call and I get called in the wee hours of the morning |
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| [07:43:57] | pheld: | Is it possible to restrict the channel selection in manual scheduling to visible channels in a way other than locate and change the associated db_select? |
| [07:45:55] | dekarl: | you want to restrict the options in the selection? |
| [07:47:56] | dekarl: | pheld: If I understand correctly what you want, then fixing the select and submitting a patch would be the way to go |
| [07:48:49] | pheld: | Yes. It is a pain to have 200+ channels from a satellite-scan visible in the GUI in some places when my subscription only covers a handful channels |
| [07:56:35] | sphery: | and if so, which one, mythfrontend's or MythWeb's editor (or both)? |
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| [07:59:04] | pheld: | sphery: channels are marked INvisible (visible=0) but still show up when creating a manual schedule in the FE |
| [07:59:49] | pheld: | I'm running git master so mythweb isn't really an option. |
| [08:00:07] | sphery: | yeah, that sounds broken, so a patch would be appreciated |
| [08:00:17] | sphery: | not many use manual schedules, so probably just got overlooked |
| [08:00:59] | sphery: | why not mythweb? I haven't heard of any specific issues with it in master |
| [08:01:57] | pheld: | It's just those pesky outdoor sports events where the weather ruins the schedule and the EIT isn't updated in time |
| [08:02:30] | dekarl: | so? just add +120 endslate for category sports :D |
| [08:03:10] | sphery: | that hack works if you actually get category information from your listings provider |
| [08:03:15] | pheld: | mythweb has some issues with protocol and schema versions. |
| [08:03:55] | sphery: | now per-schedule end late or even one-time-override end late would work |
| [08:04:33] | pheld: | dekarl: not so easy when the TV-station is prioritising and swapping live programming between several channels |
| [08:04:34] | sphery: | assuming it's actually just delayed/late versus running some other day or way too late |
| [08:04:45] | sphery: | or that, it seems :) |
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| [08:05:06] | dekarl: | ahh, the stations always find ways to confuse the scheduler |
| [08:05:08] | sphery: | ttbomk, current master mythweb is working fine with current master mythtv |
| [08:05:26] | dekarl: | ^- mythweb master worksforme, too |
| [08:05:35] | sphery: | you may not be getting updates of mythweb or you may not be compiling the php bindings in mythtv |
| [08:05:54] | pheld: | dekarl: or when an event is replaced with a different one due to weather condidions |
| [08:19:11] | pheld: | sphery: not a matter of compilations, but had mythweb pointing in the wrong direction for php includes. thanks for the hint. |
| [08:20:17] | sphery: | ah, cool... glad you got it figured out |
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| [09:21:57] | jya: | is there a recent mac built of trunk for mac somewhere? |
| [09:22:17] | jya: | I see in the wiki that the built was successful, but the latest I can find is 0.24.2 |
| [09:22:52] | wagnerrp: | stuarta has a 10.6 buildbot running, or maybe 10.7 |
| [09:22:57] | wagnerrp: | its one behind whatever is current |
| [09:23:15] | wagnerrp: | if nothing else, you could look up his environment configs |
| [09:23:37] | jya: | build on 10.6 will work on 10.7 |
| [09:23:57] | jya: | afaik, you still need to build on 10.6, haven't been succesful in building in on 10.7 |
| [09:24:25] | jya: | is the builtbot compiled file available anywhere? |
| [09:24:53] | wagnerrp: | not that i am aware of |
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| [09:25:39] | wagnerrp: | i doubt it would be difficult to add one last step to package the binary up in a tarball |
| [09:25:46] | wagnerrp: | but its not currently done |
| [09:26:53] | jya: | i see that the sourceforge project is using my branch… good on them |
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| [09:27:53] | wagnerrp: | also note that package would be a 100MB or so on the wrong side of someone else's home internet connection |
| [09:28:42] | jya: | I will build one here, but I couldn't be bothered and wanted the easy route |
| [09:28:52] | jya: | I just upgraded all my machines to master here |
| [09:28:57] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [09:29:01] | jya: | told my wife I needed her for bug reporting |
| [09:29:33] | jya: | how are we supposed to find bugs between now and release if the dev don't use it as their main version |
| [09:29:34] | wagnerrp: | you could probably ask stuarta for help on setting up a local one |
| [09:29:50] | jya: | oh, I have everything setup to build one |
| [09:29:53] | wagnerrp: | add that last step to package it into an app |
| [09:30:00] | jya: | I have created a 10.6 virtual machine on my imac |
| [09:30:05] | jya: | it builds in there without problem |
| [09:30:16] | wagnerrp: | then have each new build automatically generated and ready for use |
| [09:30:23] | jya: | that would be nice yes. |
| [09:30:43] | jya: | if bandwidth is the issue, we could simply mirror it to my main server and let people download it from there |
| [09:32:12] | wagnerrp: | theres still the issue of 8–10 commits per day on average |
| [09:32:29] | wagnerrp: | even sending each of those to a central, high bandwidth server somewhere |
| [09:32:36] | wagnerrp: | thats a good chunk of my total upload |
| [09:33:39] | wagnerrp: | if we want to make autobuilds available somewhere, id rather that be something done once per day or so |
| [09:33:46] | wagnerrp: | something similar to how mythbuntu does it |
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| [10:10:35] | peitolm: | so far only 10.6 is working, and last time i checked (about 18 days ago), the bundle starts up on 10.7, but then crashes when you try and view a stream, actually getting it to build on 10.7 is prooving somewhat difficult. |
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| [10:24:06] | k-man: | peitolm, what problems do you get trying to build it? |
| [10:26:03] | jya: | weird… on this frontend, I can't start liveTV, it's telling me it can't connect to the master backend |
| [10:26:08] | jya: | yet, recording / videos work |
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| [10:28:15] | peitolm: | k-man: QT issues, QT would build, and then i couldn't link against the pre-compiled frameworks, gcc would work but any calls to g++ couldn't find it, qmake -query was giving naff values |
| [10:30:15] | k-man: | peitolm, annoying to say the least |
| [10:30:18] | jya: | ah, it tries to connect to the backend using ipv6 if I read this properly |
| [10:30:35] | k-man: | peitolm, i'm experimenting with making a mac homebrew formula |
| [10:31:04] | k-man: | i got it to the point where it would compile mythtv but the binary had problems |
| [10:31:21] | peitolm: | this is with osx-packager.pl |
| [10:31:34] | peitolm: | the build bot only uses that to set up the 3rd party bits |
| [10:32:05] | k-man: | ah ok |
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| [10:40:58] | jya: | i need to read how to set my system for IPv6... |
| [10:41:18] | jya: | a bit of a worry if you have to be configured for ipv6 to use myth after upgrading to ipv6. |
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| [10:49:26] | jya: | reading the wiki entry about ipv6, and stating you create a ULA address |
| [10:49:39] | jya: | is the IP address created from the mac address a ULA address? |
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| [11:03:31] | k-man: | ok, any idea why i might be getting this error: mythrender_opengl.cpp:39: error: 'gluErrorString' was not declared in this scope ? |
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| [11:06:18] | k-man: | or how i might fix it? |
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| [16:03:30] | seeker: | Hmm, my phone doesn't seem able to stay connected |
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| [16:24:12] | henshaw: | fedora has the mythtv user as nologin, which makes running mythtvsetup awkward. I've been faffing with groups to get mythtv set up, but will probably add a ssh key so I can more easily maintain it. |
| [16:25:04] | henshaw: | are there any other good methods for configuring mythtv in the fedora setup? |
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| [17:41:07] | pyrodex: | I know myth 0.25 has a damage detection function for recording errors and if detected it will schedule re-record. Does this by chance do a check of the streams for errors audio/video and is it tunable? If not could anyone recommend a tool for linux like the software TSDoctor to scan through a recording and report various errors of the video/audio? |
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| [18:28:27] | skd5aner: | what's with the splits today? |
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| [18:37:00] | wagnerrp: | pyrodex: it scans the file, and reports how many decoding errors it comes across |
| [18:37:18] | wagnerrp: | it does not do anything if the channel cannot be tuned and there is no recording |
| [18:41:46] | wagnerrp: | jya: it should only try to connect using ipv6 if it thinks it will be successful |
| [18:41:58] | wagnerrp: | but i need to revise how it decides it will be successful a bit |
| [18:43:37] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: the same thing that with them every day |
| [18:43:44] | wagnerrp: | theyre trying to take over the world... |
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| [18:54:21] | pyrodex: | wagnerrp: thanks for the info, do you know any linux based tool that can run against a recording and report back any errors if detected in the video/audio? |
| [18:55:30] | wagnerrp: | not off hand |
| [18:55:57] | pyrodex: | ahh ok, i found one for windows but would like a nice command line tool for batching |
| [18:56:26] | wagnerrp: | this is for use independent of mythtv? |
| [18:56:37] | wizbit: | dam i cannot put my frontend to sleep using 3.2.5 kernel |
| [18:56:38] | pyrodex: | well to double check recordings from Myth. |
| [18:56:40] | wizbit: | Function Do_Suspend : could not open file : /proc/acpi/sleep |
| [18:56:54] | pyrodex: | I had an issue with my cable provider where a few recordings had noise but it wassn't due to IO or anything else this time |
| [18:57:07] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: proc is being slowly deprecated into sys |
| [18:57:31] | pyrodex: | so I'd like to check each recording i truly care about then reschedule it ASAP if there are errors since most shows air twice a day that I watch |
| [18:57:36] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: oh |
| [18:58:18] | wagnerrp: | pyrodex: that should be happening automatically in 0.25 |
| [18:58:37] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: acpitool will not be compatible with that at the moment |
| [18:58:46] | pyrodex: | it didn't. |
| [18:59:04] | pyrodex: | ive turned up debugging to determine if I can catch it again and report it back |
| [18:59:14] | pyrodex: | I know you guys enabled damage detection so thought it should caught it |
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| [19:07:00] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: i think i need to upgrade acpitool |
| [19:07:10] | wizbit: | /sys/power/state |
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| [19:11:24] | ** wizbit fiddles with his frontend ** | |
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| [19:19:28] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: solution is to use: pm-suspend for now, seems to work |
| [19:21:54] | henshaw: | that reminds me – what are the configurable stop/start mythbackend commands used for? are they for mythbackend to start/stop itself, for independent tools to use or neither or both? |
| [19:23:00] | wagnerrp: | theyre to allow mythbackend to automatically shut down the PC, and then start back up using the RTC timer |
| [19:27:38] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, update mythbuntu 0.25 , bouummm, mythtv is down , he don't like libmyth-0.25–0 |
| [19:28:36] | henshaw: | wagnerrp: I thought there was another place to configure commands like 'killall mythbackend' not the automatic shutdown thing. |
| [19:28:39] | pyrodex: | FabriceMG I had the same issue this morning. Had to remove libmyth 0.24 via dpkg |
| [19:28:41] | wagnerrp: | other users have complained about the same thing on the mailing list |
| [19:28:59] | FabriceMG: | oki, thx |
| [19:29:01] | wagnerrp: | henshaw: all of that stuff is in mythtv-setup, general options |
| [19:29:06] | pyrodex: | apt-get won't remove it due to library issues but dpkg will |
| [19:29:17] | pyrodex: | then do the upgrade or re-install of libmyth 0.25 |
| [19:30:03] | henshaw: | wagnerrp: right, but which programs use it? |
| [19:30:31] | wagnerrp: | automatic shutdown is managed by the backends |
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| [19:39:07] | FabriceMG: | new bug with salve backend |
| [19:39:09] | FabriceMG: | http://pastebin.com/wB1hb9Vh |
| [19:39:39] | henshaw: | ok, so when mythtvsetup notices mythbackend is running and offers to shut it down, what is it doing? and is that configurable? |
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| [19:39:53] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: yeah, i was concerned about that |
| [19:40:27] | wagnerrp: | ive got a patch intended to prefer a routeable IPv4 address over a local IPv6 address |
| [19:40:31] | wagnerrp: | just havent submitted it yet |
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| [19:45:37] | fugdnscerd: | is mythtv a dlna compatible server? |
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| [19:46:19] | fugdnscerd: | i have found it in lists of dlna servers but cannot find any official documentation on it. Is UPnP media sharing equivelant to dlna? |
| [19:46:30] | wagnerrp: | for the most part, yes |
| [19:46:41] | wagnerrp: | DLNA is just a sub/superset of UPNP |
| [19:47:17] | fugdnscerd: | Ok, I just purchased a panasonic tv with dlna client capabilities but it does not seem to see my myth server... is there an option i have to enable? |
| [19:50:55] | wagnerrp: | do you have a single combined frontend/backend? or do you have multiple frontends set up? |
| [19:51:20] | fugdnscerd: | single combined |
| [19:51:33] | sphery: | mythtv doesn't attempt to be dlna compatible, but is implementing upnp |
| [19:51:50] | sphery: | we can't implement dlna since that requires a huge licensing fee |
| [19:51:52] | wagnerrp: | what IP address did you specify for the master/local backend in mythtv-setup? |
| [19:51:57] | fugdnscerd: | so this will probably not work with my tv? |
| [19:52:05] | sphery: | that said, mythtv's upnp will generally work fine with any dlna client |
| [19:52:13] | fugdnscerd: | its set to the ip of the interface |
| [19:52:27] | wagnerrp: | well we can implement DLNA in practice, we just cant be certified as dlna compatible without a huge licensing fee |
| [19:52:33] | sphery: | however, you'd be doing yourself a favor to use a real client that can take advantage of all of mythtv's features--i.e. mythfrontend |
| [19:52:44] | sphery: | actually, can't implement dlna |
| [19:52:49] | sphery: | because of patents and such |
| [19:52:52] | wagnerrp: | and how close we actually get to DLNA is questionable, without proper interface documentation |
| [19:53:17] | sphery: | but our upnp is tested with many dlna clients |
| [19:55:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I think that guy with the remote commflag issue needs to update his checkout. he's using a version that was missing the gCoreContext->SendReceiveStringList(strlist); to send the actual QUERY_FILE_EXISTS command in RemoteFile::Exists(); daniel fixed that a little while ago I believe. I think it got removed during some cleanup he was doing. |
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| [19:55:49] | fugdnscerd: | ok, from what i gather the upnp server is enabled by default unless started with the --noupnp option correct? |
| [19:56:10] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: he is running a version thats several weeks old |
| [19:56:22] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: ah, cool... noticed that it didn't look like my changes, but hadn't had a chance to figure out what's going on (which would have been hard to find something that's no longer missing...) |
| [19:56:25] | wagnerrp: | fugdnscerd: yes, or if your IP is set to 127.0.0.1 |
| [19:57:28] | fugdnscerd: | ok, I rarely use it any more so i think it may have crashed or otherwise been shutdown |
| [19:57:38] | fugdnscerd: | checking... |
| [19:57:55] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: you catch any of the conversation in the other channel last night with stuarta? |
| [19:57:59] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: glad that I didn't break it for everyone :) |
| [19:58:15] | wagnerrp: | ive got a patch ready to go for the issue FabriceMG is having directly above |
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| [19:58:55] | wagnerrp: | but i also modified all the GetSetting("MasterServerIP") calls, to automatically select a BackendServerIP that would be accessible |
| [19:59:09] | wagnerrp: | in the event the system either doesnt support IPv4 or IPv6 |
| [19:59:23] | wagnerrp: | stuarta was saying dont bother with that part, since it would just indicate an improperly configured system |
| [19:59:25] | wagnerrp: | whats your take? |
| [20:02:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | so what to do if it doesn't have v4 and it doesn't have v6? |
| [20:02:36] | wagnerrp: | well then youre just screwed because mythtv needs some form of networking |
| [20:02:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, I agree. |
| [20:02:54] | wagnerrp: | are you saying the client doesnt do v4 and the server doesnt do v6? |
| [20:03:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | no, asking if that's what you were asking. |
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| [20:03:38] | wagnerrp: | no, im saying for example, you configure the MasterServerIP with an IPv6 address, but one of your clients doesnt support IPv6 |
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| [20:03:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's a security feature. :) |
| [20:04:00] | wagnerrp: | rather than not work, drop back to BackendServerIP set for that hostname |
| [20:05:18] | wagnerrp: | plus, adding in a method to manage that would make it very easy to allow hostnames to be used for the MasterServerIP |
| [20:07:24] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, i have drop "::1" in ipv6 field on master and slave backend , and it's work |
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| [20:08:16] | wagnerrp: | yes, but now your configuration could be considered broken |
| [20:08:24] | wagnerrp: | where as previously it was the code that was considered broken |
| [20:08:33] | sphery: | I still think if we use host name for master server and IP address for all other servers, it will just cause confusion--versus saying, "don't use host names /anywhere/ in the configuration of MythTV" |
| [20:08:35] | wagnerrp: | next time you pass through mythtv-setup, it will reset that address back to ::1 |
| [20:08:47] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [20:09:02] | sphery: | (and especially when on master server, you'll use both host name and ip address--i.e. you won't even see whether they match) |
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| [20:10:01] | wagnerrp: | personally, id prefer seeing that setting be removed completely in the web setup |
| [20:10:28] | wagnerrp: | start storing the UDNs in the database |
| [20:10:49] | wagnerrp: | and have a dropdown to select from the available systems (using something other than the UDN) |
| [20:11:58] | sphery: | which setting? or both? |
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| [20:12:14] | wagnerrp: | MasterServer(IP) |
| [20:12:24] | wagnerrp: | make it not an IP setting, just a pointer as to which machine is the backend |
| [20:12:39] | wagnerrp: | the BackendServerIP[6] options will always have to be IPs |
| [20:12:42] | sphery: | ah, yeah, that would be good |
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| [20:12:59] | sphery: | and would be easier when we break out mythmaster and only one of them is running :) |
| [20:13:04] | sphery: | then it's all automatic |
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| [20:20:27] | trumee: | The following page suggests that driver for Tevii S480 should be in the kernel, but i dont see it in 3.2.1, http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TeVii_S480 |
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| [20:21:40] | trumee: | and neither in 2.6.39 |
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| [20:55:01] | drac_boy: | hi |
| [20:59:17] | drac_boy: | just had to ask this in case someone might have any comment.... |
| [20:59:47] | wagnerrp: | "hi" is not a question |
| [21:00:03] | drac_boy: | take two seperate single usb readers (one for CF and one for SD) and dremel the case off then fit them to the custom wood case .... or buy an inexpensive 3.5" media bay and hopefully be able to dremel the shell off to fit into the custom case |
| [21:00:13] | drac_boy: | wagnerrp did you not see the extra dots? :-) |
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| [21:02:00] | wagnerrp: | IMO, better to get a single unit, cut off the front, and mount it to the wood case |
| [21:02:14] | drac_boy: | thats what I was wondering about as first choice too, thanks |
| [21:02:20] | wagnerrp: | means one thing to mount rather than multiple |
| [21:02:51] | wagnerrp: | and you can plug it into an internal header rather than running it to a usb port in the back |
| [21:02:52] | drac_boy: | well theres a silverstone one at the local store so I think I'll get that. 4 media slots, one usb, one firewire, and audio. I think I'll cut away the audio one as its not necessary tho :-) |
| [21:03:04] | drac_boy: | hmm you got a point I didn't think about the end cable itself |
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| [21:05:14] | drac_boy: | wagnerrp have you heard of the brand bytecc? |
| [21:05:23] | drac_boy: | they're kinda cheap but seem a lot of stores carry these |
| [21:06:46] | wagnerrp: | ive seen their stuff on sale, dont believe ive ever used any |
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| [21:07:25] | drac_boy: | well there is a 52-in-1 (I find that term really dumb to be honest with you) 3.5" media reader for $9.99 |
| [21:08:10] | wagnerrp: | well just think, theres about 10 different names for different generations of SD |
| [21:08:18] | drac_boy: | may as well as try it and if it didn't work on the workbench at least I can use it as a rough measurement for the case holes to accept the alternative brand I buy instead |
| [21:08:20] | wagnerrp: | memory stick has several more |
| [21:08:30] | wagnerrp: | couple different blends of CF card |
| [21:08:56] | bill6502: | wagnerrp: Without an 'else' before https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . xt.cpp#L717, I get Adding f00::... then Skiping link-local ... f00::... |
| [21:09:08] | bill6502: | I can pastebin the log if you like. |
| [21:09:53] | wagnerrp: | no, i see it, thanks |
| [21:10:35] | drac_boy: | wagnerrp mm well at least the software side is too easy, just about any sane camera/phone medias should read just fine in it without the user having to do anything except open the slideshow app :-) |
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| [21:17:30] | drac_boy: | so hmm I still have to decide about if I want to try pick up the hauppauge 1600-nonmce or 1150 card or just leave that out...decisions :-s |
| [21:19:21] | wagnerrp: | are you looking for analog or digital support? |
| [21:20:23] | drac_boy: | atsc tuner most likely, don't think I'll even be looking for any aux input since the htpc already can play dvd movies itself and most videocameras can just use the front ilink port |
| [21:20:39] | drac_boy: | so I can't think of one thing that would need analog input for a small living room setup |
| [21:22:34] | wagnerrp: | if you dont need analog, and the 1150 is supported in linux (dont know if thats the case), it should work fine |
| [21:22:54] | wagnerrp: | if you need analog, then you want an mpeg encoder, which means a 1600, 1850 (with very new kernel), or 2250 |
| [21:23:12] | drac_boy: | yeah I'm just trying to check out local inventories a bit more in case theres some other card models somewhere else as well |
| [21:23:13] | wagnerrp: | do you need a PCI card? |
| [21:23:22] | drac_boy: | if not I'll go back to this particular one and order either these two models |
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| [21:23:29] | drac_boy: | and yeah it needs to be pci, its a pci mini-itx |
| [21:23:29] | wagnerrp: | wait, were you the one who was messing with EPIA machines? |
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| [21:23:45] | ** drac_boy admits to being guility as charged! ** | |
| [21:23:46] | drac_boy: | heh heh |
| [21:24:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, get a pcie tuner, and a new computer to use it with |
| [21:24:14] | wagnerrp: | since an EPIA wont have enough power to handle HD MPEG2 |
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| [21:24:53] | wagnerrp: | it may manage SD MPEG2, but since you have no control over resolution and bitrate provided by digital broadcasts |
| [21:25:06] | wagnerrp: | using such machines will simply mean you are unable to play certain channels |
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| [21:30:13] | drac_boy: | btw unless its some odd mpeg2 standard the chipset actually does decode it just fine under linux as far as current drivers goes |
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| [21:31:03] | drac_boy: | and as for 'new computer' that would had cost too much. theres almost no choice out there without going to a socketP board which means budgetting at least 400 or more just for the board+cpu alone. just a bit too much |
| [21:31:35] | tweek__: | the idea behind an onboard encoder isn't to decode signals, but to encode them |
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| [21:32:04] | tweek__: | so that your drive doesn't fill up instantly with raw video data, and so that it's easier to display at realtime |
| [21:32:23] | tweek__: | at least that's how I thought it worked |
| [21:32:43] | CyberKnet: | tweek__: It does. He's talking about the EPIA cpu having an onboard decoder too |
| [21:32:53] | CyberKnet: | the unichrome stuff IIRC? |
| [21:33:44] | drac_boy: | tweek as for encoding I don't think that would matter too much, its not likely going to be much in the first place with only a few good channels during the weekdays |
| [21:34:12] | CyberKnet: | drac_boy: Hmm... with an EPIA cpu, you *definitely* care about having hardware MPEG encoding. |
| [21:34:40] | CyberKnet: | but with that said, I'm with wagnerrp... I doubt you'll have much other than frustration and disappointment with the EPIA stuff. |
| [21:34:59] | drac_boy: | cyberknet the funny thing is someone used to sell a divx decoding cards while the weak C3 cpus were still around. but now its been dead for a long time since the C7 can handle that in software alone |
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| [21:35:33] | CyberKnet: | drac_boy: And you have a tv tuner that encodes to divx? |
| [21:35:46] | drac_boy: | never heard of one but wouldn't be too surprised if any existed |
| [21:36:08] | CyberKnet: | and is supported in Myth? |
| [21:36:25] | wagnerrp: | drac_boy: the VIA equipment uses XvMC |
| [21:36:41] | ** CyberKnet leaves this to wagnerrp ** | |
| [21:36:49] | wagnerrp: | which is an antiquated decoding mechanism, that has always been recommended against due to the OSD limitations it enforces |
| [21:36:58] | wagnerrp: | and as of 0.25, has been removed from mythtv |
| [21:37:00] | drac_boy: | btw cyberknet I did use a jetway fanless C7 1.0ghz for some time before trading it to a friend so I pretty much know where it more or less stands for most things |
| [21:37:23] | wagnerrp: | even when it was supported, it only did partial offload of decoding, specifically the motion compensation (xvMC) |
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| [21:38:19] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: come on man. you can't possibly know as much about this as drag_boy. |
| [21:38:29] | drac_boy: | cyberknet heh just leave it alone ok? ;-) |
| [21:38:38] | CyberKnet: | drac_boy: sure thing. |
| [21:38:48] | wagnerrp: | and the work that was left remaining to the CPU would have given a "high end" EPIA a run for its money on the highest bitrate ATSC content |
| [21:39:22] | drac_boy: | cyberknet something more odder than the divx decoding card I do remember seeing before tho was... |
| [21:39:39] | drac_boy: | a combo firewire400+ultrawidescsi half length card |
| [21:39:42] | wagnerrp: | drac_boy: i realize you just bought this thing and want to get it to work, but relying on hardware decoding has in general been recommended against since all the people being burned with old C7 gear completely unable to handle HD MPEG2 |
| [21:40:13] | wagnerrp: | if you want to do such things, most people go for IONs (Atom + nVidia VDPAU) |
| [21:40:18] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Have you looked at the fit-pc3 at all? |
| [21:40:29] | wagnerrp: | you might be able to find a Nano+VDPAU board laying around somewhere if you want to stick with VIA |
| [21:40:41] | CyberKnet: | it uses a radeon video though... so not exactly super desirable. |
| [21:41:21] | wagnerrp: | or you may be able to pull off a Fusion+VAAPI system, but VAAPI support in mythtv is experimental, only available in 0.25, and AMD/ATI Linux drivers have never been known for stability |
| [21:41:30] | drac_boy: | wagnerrp well if you mean theatre 1080 then sure but if its 720 like with discs otherwise..thats still easy |
| [21:42:13] | drac_boy: | cyberknet the socketP option would had been intel hd graphics onboard if it wasn't for the big price tag |
| [21:44:49] | drac_boy: | cyberknet I haven't been liking amd much so I guess that helps heh |
| [21:45:08] | wagnerrp: | there are few, if any, discs that offer "720" content |
| [21:45:12] | drac_boy: | last time I had bothered was with a few 4750-or-something sapphire cards before |
| [21:45:59] | wagnerrp: | HDDVD and Bluray are nearly always 1080i/p, while DVDs are 480i/p |
| [21:46:25] | wagnerrp: | as for a HD4750, that would be capable of VAAPI, but youre in the same boat as the Fusion chips with unreliable Linux graphics drivers |
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| [21:46:59] | wagnerrp: | an EPIA should have enough grunt to handle a DVD completely in software |
| [21:47:00] | CyberKnet: | hmm... Fit-PC3 isn't really a compelling product at its price point. |
| [21:47:21] | CyberKnet: | I wonder if they will make a tegra3 trim slice. |
| [21:48:55] | wagnerrp: | Tegra support is going to rely on OpenMAX, which is not currently supported |
| [21:49:06] | wagnerrp: | and the prospects of future support recently dropped out |
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| [21:53:42] | drac_boy: | hm price has come down a bit but still $239usd just for the cpu alone in vermont |
| [21:54:14] | wagnerrp: | any $240 CPU is way overkill for any but the largest MythTV systems |
| [21:54:25] | drac_boy: | well thats the cheapest cpu there even is |
| [21:54:50] | wagnerrp: | a CPU adequate to manage any content you might want to throw at MythTV could be had for half that |
| [21:54:59] | drac_boy: | unless the backorder eta on that one celeron for $99usd is not forever |
| [21:55:13] | wagnerrp: | running maybe $240 for the whole system |
| [21:56:16] | drac_boy: | I'm serious..its only $239 or a chance at $99 for the cpu alone |
| [21:56:28] | wagnerrp: | what CPU? |
| [21:56:47] | drac_boy: | T7500 or T3100 |
| [21:57:17] | wagnerrp: | well thats what happens when you try to build a homemade laptop |
| [21:57:21] | wagnerrp: | it becomes very expensive |
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| [21:57:44] | drac_boy: | well thats the way it is...most of the intel itx are almost always P or that newer G2 |
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| [21:57:58] | drac_boy: | unless its only a 1.4–1.6ghz atom with that old 945G chipset |
| [21:59:37] | drac_boy: | none of the newer U-series chipsets have been showing up yet :-| |
| [22:00:45] | drac_boy: | sometimes I wonder what it would had been like if canada was more populated as either usa or uk already are when it comes to itxs but...oh well nothing I can do about that atm |
| [22:02:19] | wagnerrp: | https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWish . . . ber=18671552 |
| [22:04:26] | drac_boy: | not tryign to turn down anything but... 1. that case better have a lot of heatsink and 2. try order that up here and have fun with the big 'trade' fee ding you'll get from the canada post border broker |
| [22:06:40] | wagnerrp: | a lot of heatsink why? the side directly next the CPU is be vented, with air drawn in from the opposite side and a slim heatsink |
| [22:07:05] | wagnerrp: | meanwhile the CPU itself tops out at absolutely no more than 65W under full CPU and graphical load |
| [22:07:31] | wagnerrp: | more common idle performance for the chip will be on the order of 15–20W |
| [22:07:33] | drac_boy: | it's going to have to sit on its long side and the only airflow given is from the front... back is against rear of cabinets, and the sides...well...might be some gaps but |
| [22:08:04] | wagnerrp: | the whole system will likely idle around 20W |
| [22:08:06] | wagnerrp: | 25W |
| [22:11:39] | drac_boy: | btw was looking at the specs from foxconn and hm using a dvi-vga adapter and vga-to-tv dongle may be a little problematic but otherwise everthing else seem nice...even spdif header for coaxial connector too |
| [22:12:10] | wagnerrp: | you're using an old NTSC television? |
| [22:12:34] | drac_boy: | nope, just not many people even have hdmi compared to either hdtv or in some limited cases vga |
| [22:12:40] | drac_boy: | beats me why |
| [22:13:15] | wagnerrp: | its pretty rare to find an HDTV that doesnt have DVI or HDMI |
| [22:13:35] | drac_boy: | yeah especially the inexpensive lg and samsung models |
| [22:14:01] | wagnerrp: | i doubt there are any HDTVs made in the last five years without HDMI |
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| [22:16:54] | drac_boy: | wagnerrp just asking but do you think a good sound card such as the asus xonar is too overdoing for htpc systems or it does work in certain uses? |
| [22:18:03] | ** drac_boy hates audiophobile people completely btw :-p ** | |
| [22:18:25] | wagnerrp: | any fancy sound card goes to complete waste when doing any form of digital audio |
| [22:18:29] | ** wagnerrp heads out ** | |
| [22:18:57] | wagnerrp: | the only worth of a fancy sounds card is either _tons_ of IO capability, or nice DAC/ADCs |
| [22:19:02] | drac_boy: | heh yeah I agree with you on that |
| [22:19:26] | drac_boy: | these basic $19.99 pci sound cards are so useless I can't understand why many people keep buying these |
| [22:19:34] | drac_boy: | they only have like maybe one or two little chips on them and thats it |
| [22:19:46] | drac_boy: | heh oh well, bye now wagnerrp :-) |
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| [22:31:18] | pyrodex: | Looking to install a STB replacement using MythFrontEnd on linux and was wondering if someone has a recommendation for a low power solution with HDMI and capable of 5.1 sound from the TV. Are the ION2 platforms an option for a simple FrontEnd running just HDTV broadcasts? |
| [22:34:33] | jrwren: | i think the $20 sound cards are a little less noisy than a lot of onboard sound. They might be good if someone just wants less noise |
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| [22:44:55] | jya: | wagnerrp: My frontend wasnt connection to the backend, it was trying to connect over IPv6. I found in mythtv-setup that there was ::1 set in IPv6 entry (i never entered this myself, it was the default). Clearing the field and removing the ipv6 entry made the frontend connect using ipv4 |
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| [22:45:31] | markcerv: | pryodex: I just bought this: http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Blu-Ray-Barebone . . . rhf_gw_p_t_2 and for its first week of live, I've been loving it. It can even do 7.1 sound. |
| [22:46:09] | pyrodex: | how is it on advancing video and stuff with the OSD on? |
| [22:46:23] | markcerv: | (correction) ...first week of its life... |
| [22:46:26] | jya: | all ion can do 7.1.. all ion2 can do DTS-HD and TrueHD |
| [22:46:44] | pyrodex: | is this the ion or ion2 platform? |
| [22:46:57] | markcerv: | This is a plain ion. |
| [22:46:58] | pyrodex: | GT218M sounds older or is that new |
| [22:47:00] | pyrodex: | oh ok |
| [22:47:13] | markcerv: | ah, missed you asking about ion2. sorry. |
| [22:47:36] | jya: | ion1 can't do HD audio bitstreaming, otherwise audio wise it's fine for everything else.. |
| [22:48:20] | markcerv: | (what is HD audio bitstreaming)? |
| [22:48:54] | jya: | TrueHD, DTS-HD MA… what you want (IMO) if you want to play bluray |
| [22:49:43] | jya: | but i thing the GT218-ION is a ion2 |
| [22:49:58] | markcerv: | ah. i don't own any bluray. i'm using it w/ a big ripped dvd collection, and show i'm recording in HD on comcast via HDHRP. |
| [22:50:33] | pyrodex: | basically this box will be a low power cable box |
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| [22:50:47] | pyrodex: | so need to play streams from HDHR from MythTV |
| [22:51:05] | pyrodex: | I have a dedicated backend looking for a decent low power solutiuon to just play tv. |
| [22:51:49] | markcerv: | pyrodex — and you want ion2 over plain ion, because then you are "ready" for bluray? |
| [22:52:22] | pyrodex: | don't need blu-ray I am just looking for something semi future proof. |
| [22:52:40] | pyrodex: | I have a pair of AMD A6's running XBMC atm for my HTPC needs |
| [22:52:51] | pyrodex: | but the AMD chipset isn't so good in Linux |
| [22:52:56] | pyrodex: | so having to find an nvidia solution |
| [22:55:17] | pyrodex: | AFK. Vday dinner with the wife :) |
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| [23:01:03] | wagnerrp: | jya: yes, i have a fix, just havent had a chance to commit it yet |
| [23:01:32] | wagnerrp: | mentioned several times, the issue is that it prefers an IPv6 address if available, but doesnt have the logic to ignore ::1 |
| [23:05:52] | jya: | I couldn't see any places where I could could retrieve fanart for the recordings.. |
| [23:06:34] | jya: | I was using jamu for that before.. running in a cron |
| [23:06:45] | wagnerrp: | there is no explicit option to do so, you have to run the 'mythmetadatalookup' job to do so |
| [23:07:05] | wagnerrp: | or set your recording rules to automatically run it for new recordings |
| [23:07:23] | wagnerrp: | you can run it from the command line with no options, and it will automatically populate all your recordings |
| [23:09:00] | jya: | ah ok… never heard of that mythmetadalookup bit before.. |
| [23:09:26] | wagnerrp: | theres a bit writeup on the wiki about how to use it |
| [23:09:54] | jya: | why isn't it called automatically after a recording job? |
| [23:10:18] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . adata_Lookup |
| [23:10:47] | wagnerrp: | it is called automatically, in the same manner that commercial detection and transcoding is automatically called |
| [23:10:59] | wagnerrp: | that job has to be set as autorun for that recording |
| [23:11:10] | jya: | I see… it's a new settings, it's not active by default? |
| [23:11:26] | wagnerrp: | and future recording rules can be set to automatically enable that, based off defaults in mythtv-setup |
| [23:11:47] | jya: | reason I'm asking is that since installing master, I've had about 6 recordings, none had metadata |
| [23:13:00] | jya: | I don't see why we should authorise the backend to do it, shouldn't it to have it as active by default? |
| [23:13:27] | wagnerrp: | i believe it is configured to be enabled by default |
| [23:13:36] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall having to enable it |
| [23:13:50] | jya: | ah… wonder why I didn't get any fanart on my new recordings then.. |
| [23:14:28] | wagnerrp: | could be an issue with matching against ttvdb |
| [23:14:33] | wagnerrp: | jamu was a bit more lax |
| [23:14:38] | jya: | Reading the wiki, I'm confused to the reason there are two settings "Allow metadata lookup jobs" and "run metadata lookup" |
| [23:14:55] | wagnerrp: | while the new internal support is more strict, because youre expected to set the inetref as part of the recording rule |
| [23:15:48] | jya: | yeah, I ran mythmetadatalookup in the command line, and plenty of Unable to match this title, too many possible matches. You may wish to manually set the season, episode, and inetref in the 'Watch Recordings' screen. |
| [23:15:49] | wagnerrp: | "allow metadata lookup jobs" means it will be automatically run as part of recording |
| [23:16:01] | wagnerrp: | "run metadata lookup" means it will run against that recording right now |
| [23:16:30] | wagnerrp: | typically, if you set the inetref, it should be able to find out the season/episode on its own from the title |
| [23:16:38] | jya: | sorry, but that subtlety still escape me |
| [23:16:51] | wagnerrp: | its the same thing with all other jobqueue tasks |
| [23:16:59] | wagnerrp: | one has the task run automatically |
| [23:17:06] | wagnerrp: | the other is you telling the task to run manually |
| [23:17:47] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind |
| [23:17:52] | jya: | i think I haven't had enough sleep :) |
| [23:17:55] | wagnerrp: | i see what youre talking about now |
| [23:18:03] | jya: | what you're saying makes no sense to me |
| [23:18:05] | wagnerrp: | i thought you means the job options menu in "Watch Recordings" |
| [23:18:16] | wagnerrp: | but this is the default job settings in mythtv-setup |
| [23:18:20] | jya: | no, I'm looking at the wiki right now |
| [23:18:33] | jya: | you have a chapter: Allowing Your Backend to Perform Metadata Lookups |
| [23:18:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i see what youre talking about |
| [23:18:40] | jya: | and one Configuring Recordings to Always Grab Extra Metadata |
| [23:18:49] | wagnerrp: | "Allow metadata lookup jobs" means that backend is allowed to run those types of jobs |
| [23:18:55] | jya: | and both have a metadata related settings, but a different name for the setting |
| [23:19:10] | wagnerrp: | "Run metadata lookup" means all new recording rules will be set to automatically run that job |
| [23:19:32] | jya: | and I don't get why you need to have a different setting |
| [23:19:43] | wagnerrp: | because theyre two completely different things |
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| [23:20:01] | wagnerrp: | you have multiple backends, each backend has a jobqueue, and you can have additional mythjobqueues running on further machines |
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| [23:20:09] | jya: | I'm guessing, that if you tell the backend that it's okay to run lookup job, it is one expectation that it will actually do the job |
| [23:20:21] | wagnerrp: | "Allow metadata lookup jobs" limits what machines are allowed to run that task |
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| [23:20:47] | jya: | does a backend nows if it has any slave? |
| [23:20:51] | jya: | knows |
| [23:21:11] | wagnerrp: | the jobqueue is completely ignorant of all other hardware in a mythtv system |
| [23:21:19] | jya: | would be nice to remove the settings that only make sense in multiple-backend situation |
| [23:21:22] | wagnerrp: | it knows what tasks it is allowed to run, and it knows what tasks are available to run |
| [23:21:47] | jya: | for me it still sounds like potato and potato |
| [23:21:59] | wagnerrp: | all it does is keep looking through that jobqueue table every 30 seconds, and grab jobs it is allowed to until its maximum simultaneous jobs are filled |
| [23:22:11] | jya: | which user in the right mind is going to understand that? |
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| [23:22:30] | wagnerrp: | the "Default Job Queue Settings for New Scheduled Recordings" sets default values to new entries in the 'record' table |
| [23:22:48] | wagnerrp: | there are boolean fields in the record table for each of these job types |
| [23:22:50] | jya: | anyhow… I'll go and set it up… I will have all forgotten about it in a few days :) |
| [23:23:14] | wagnerrp: | telling the jobqueue that you want to automatically create a new task of that type when you record something against that rule |
| [23:23:29] | wagnerrp: | those settings set the default boolean flags when creating a new rule |
| [23:23:55] | jya: | wagnerrp: I understand what it does or how, but I don't think that a standard person will be able to grab those distinctions that's all.. |
| [23:23:59] | wagnerrp: | after which, one of the jobqueues specified as allowed to handle that task, as defined by that previous setting, will run it |
| [23:24:21] | wagnerrp: | considering how long this discussion has been going on, i dare say youre correct |
| [23:24:37] | wagnerrp: | but... its not a "new" issue |
| [23:24:45] | wagnerrp: | its just how the jobqueue configuration has always been set up |
| [23:24:57] | wagnerrp: | mythmetadatalookup just happens to be a new task added to the old system |
| [23:25:08] | jya: | you sound like this :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fjcJp_Nwvk&am . . . yer_embedded |
| [23:26:09] | jya: | that video cracks me up each time I watch it …. |
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| [23:27:45] | wagnerrp: | is that a transmission? |
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| [23:27:57] | jya: | it's the turbo encabulator |
| [23:28:13] | jya: | as you remember from your high school days |
| [23:28:19] | wagnerrp: | ive seen that video before, i just never saw anything in the drawing that looked like a 'turbo' anything |
| [23:28:30] | wagnerrp: | besides the fact that its complete gibberish |
| [23:28:55] | jya: | allright, I'm going to follow the wiki and set it up |
| [23:29:38] | jya: | wagnerrp: so with the new datalookup , if it doesn't exactly match title and episode number, it won't retrieve anything for it ? |
| [23:29:57] | wagnerrp: | episode number is completely unknown |
| [23:30:10] | wagnerrp: | it has to pull season and episode numbers from the subtitle |
| [23:30:14] | jya: | I see that all the kid shows I am recording, gives the error about being enable to match the title |
| [23:30:25] | jya: | jamu had put an image for those show before |
| [23:30:40] | wagnerrp: | jamu allowed overrides in the jamu.conf, and had a number of these preset |
| [23:30:55] | wagnerrp: | in the new mechanism, youre supposed to preset those yourself in your recording rules |
| [23:31:21] | wagnerrp: | i believe a recording that does not have a inetref set, will attempt to fall back to one in the matched rule |
| [23:31:35] | wagnerrp: | so if you set one to a rule, the linked recordings should pick it up as well |
| [23:32:00] | wagnerrp: | there is a mechanism in the recording rule creation pages to search for the title to use |
| [23:32:43] | jya: | what do you mean by rule? rule where? recording rule? |
| [23:32:49] | wagnerrp: | yes, recording rules |
| [23:33:27] | jya: | you know, the extent of my knowledge in regards to recording rule is telling it to record a particular show for a particular repetition patern |
| [23:35:11] | wagnerrp: | the last option when configuring them is "metadata options" |
| [23:35:34] | wagnerrp: | when you go into it, it will search the grabbers for the show title, and attempt to find an inetref |
| [23:35:56] | wagnerrp: | after which, that inetref will be applied to all new recordings made by that rule |
| [23:36:54] | wagnerrp: | the idea is that most of your recordings are done against a single show, and the subtitle matching is nearly always accurate if you have an inetref to start from |
| [23:37:21] | wagnerrp: | leaving only the occasional episode that needs to be manually updated, or power rules that encompass several series |
| [23:39:28] | jya: | I see yes, in mythweb, there's a lookup metadata |
| [23:39:45] | jya: | gosh… how many flags are there to configure ! |
| [23:39:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, one of the users wrote that up, i dont recall who off hand |
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| [23:50:48] | miken__: | Hello everyone. I was wondering if somebody could help me with a metadata issue I'm having. |
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| [23:54:33] | miken__: | Specifically, I'm trying to get metadata for the pilot of MST3K which is listed in thetvdb as Season 0, Episode 0, but that only ever seems to grab the MST3K movie and putting in the actual tvdb entry (406798) doesn't seem to work |
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