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| [00:41:44] | xris: | NOTICE: briefly shutting down mythtv.org database to make a backup. |
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| [02:07:12] | markcerv: | anyone want to help me figure out why i'm getting TONS of errors while recording a show from my new HDHR Prime? — Lines like this: 2012-02–11 18:06:10.607 [mpeg2video @ 0x7f32bb51a700]ac-tex damaged at 2 43 |
| [02:08:30] | markcerv: | i could paste a bunch of the lines to a pastebin if someone wants to help me |
| [02:12:33] | Seeker`: | sorry, I have 0 knowledge of HDHRs |
| [02:13:02] | markcerv: | The shows are recording, but it seems like I'm getting way to many errors |
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| [02:13:40] | markcerv: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/443664/mythtv/mythbac . . . 211.1812.txt |
| [02:14:13] | markcerv: | is a tail of 1000 lines of the backend while recording. As you can see, there are way to many errors |
| [02:14:35] | Seeker`: | bad signal? |
| [02:16:16] | Seeker`: | (I don't know what the errors actually mean, just a guess) |
| [02:16:18] | markcerv: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/443664/mythtv/HDHR3-CC-Tuner0-log.htm |
| [02:16:29] | markcerv: | nope — i've got a good strong signal |
| [02:16:54] | markcerv: | well, assuming 89% is good. ;) |
| [02:18:41] | Seeker`: | heh, I'd assume it is |
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| [02:41:15] | Amp1224: | Hi i have a problem i have a mythdora 12 install and an avermedia m150-d and it works ok but i get no audio ive been reading about adding devdsp but that doesnot exist on /dev also ive seen something about setting alsa:hwplug buthow do i do that can someone hlp me |
| [02:46:04] | wagnerrp: | the m150 is an mpeg encoder card |
| [02:46:22] | wagnerrp: | and provides audio and video multiplexed as a neat mpeg file that streams out of /dev/video |
| [02:46:23] | wagnerrp: | 0 |
| [02:46:39] | wagnerrp: | you should have configured it as an MPEG card, rather than a V4L card in mythtv-setup |
| [02:46:43] | wagnerrp: | and audio should "just work" |
| [02:47:02] | wagnerrp: | if youre doing anything to try to manually capture audio, youre doing it wrong |
| [02:52:34] | Amp1224: | Ok ill try that thanks |
| [02:53:32] | markcerv: | So, it turns out the lines and lines of Mpeg2video errors — are not from the capture — but are occuring during the commercial flagging. ---- Hmmm, but when I try to watch the show that's being flagged w/ all the errors, it turns out it's a garbled digital recording in the first place! — http://dl.dropbox.com/u/443664/mythtv/1800x.log.txt |
| [02:54:35] | wagnerrp: | thats why in 0.25, everything logs to its own file |
| [02:58:09] | ertyu-m: | could also prefix the error lines |
| [03:13:58] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: is the master backend supposed to be running QUERY_FREE_SPACE against all its slaves every 15 seconds? |
| [03:15:39] | wagnerrp: | odd, it stopped |
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| [03:48:18] | pyrodex: | any reason why 0.25 doesn't push into the recorded programs on mythweb the season/ep when it is able to find them? |
| [03:49:31] | wagnerrp: | theres a lot of words there, but no sentence structure i can make heads or tails out of |
| [03:50:22] | pyrodex: | When mythbackend does a detection of the recently recorded show and is able to determine seasons/episode data it isn't being reflected in mythweb via the proper column in recorded shows. |
| [03:50:24] | pyrodex: | better? :) |
| [03:50:36] | wagnerrp: | it does on my end |
| [03:50:51] | pyrodex: | Hmm |
| [03:51:02] | wagnerrp: | if the data is there in the database, mythweb should show it |
| [03:51:12] | pyrodex: | Running Grabber: /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l en -N Ghost Adventures Winchester Mystery House |
| [03:51:13] | pyrodex: | Result Found, Season 5 Episode 4 |
| [03:51:21] | pyrodex: | Returning Metadata Results: Ghost Adventures 0 0 |
| [03:51:51] | wagnerrp: | sounds like something got confused |
| [03:52:01] | ** wagnerrp tests a bit ** | |
| [03:56:59] | pyrodex: | What takes the data from the ttvdb.py and puts it into the DB? |
| [03:59:02] | wagnerrp: | mythmetadatalookup |
| [04:01:34] | wagnerrp: | well it says the same thing on my end, only it is inserting the proper season and episode into the database |
| [04:02:04] | pyrodex: | i'm running 52d2827 |
| [04:02:06] | wagnerrp: | dont know what to tell you |
| [04:02:14] | ** wagnerrp goes back to getting patch sets in before the freeze ** | |
| [04:02:32] | ** wagnerrp goes back to cycling laundry first ** | |
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| [04:06:49] | pyrodex: | interesting... when I ran mythmetalookup by hand it worked and inserted into the database but still reported Returning Metadata Results: Ghost Adventures 0 0. Just isn't working when called from backend |
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| [04:28:53] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you still in? |
| [04:29:41] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [04:29:50] | Beirdo: | only 8:30pm here :) |
| [04:30:07] | wagnerrp: | which is why you may be "out"... i.e. "doing something" |
| [04:30:17] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:30:20] | wagnerrp: | when you stage a file, thats it right? |
| [04:30:28] | wagnerrp: | you can modify it any further you want |
| [04:30:35] | wagnerrp: | but the state when it was staged is what gets committed |
| [04:30:45] | Beirdo: | correct, AFAIK |
| [04:30:58] | Beirdo: | and if you want the new changes as well, you gotta add again |
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| [04:41:31] | markcerv: | Anyone have any useful shell scripts to create symlinks in the video directory to DVD rips that are on a windows share? I've been able to successfully symlink by hand into various folders/subdirectories...but there has gotta be an easier (less manual) way. Looking for suggestions/tips. |
| [04:42:45] | wagnerrp: | find --exec {} ? |
| [04:47:34] | markcerv: | :) – how about a follow-up question. Of the 3 movies I imported (IDES_OF_MARCH THE_HELP TREE_OF_LIFE_FD), THE_HELP magically showed up w/ poster and synopsis, but the other 2 didn't. How can I help get that info "in there" (wherever there is)? |
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| [04:48:50] | wagnerrp: | press 'w' |
| [04:49:35] | wagnerrp: | the bulk downloader will run after a scan for content, and pull in any obvious matches |
| [04:49:43] | wagnerrp: | anything it doesnt pull will need manual intervention |
| [04:50:12] | wagnerrp: | which means you highlighting it, using the relevant menu option to download metadata (or hit 'w'), and selecting the proper result from the list |
| [04:51:14] | wagnerrp: | if the proper movies dont show up in the results, or if there are no results |
| [04:51:28] | wagnerrp: | youll need to specify the TMDB IDs directly |
| [04:51:56] | markcerv: | wagnerrp – awesome! It gave me 3 suggestions for ides of march, and I was able to pick the right one. But for "TREE OF LIFE", it got nada. |
| [04:52:01] | wagnerrp: | assuming those are both movies that came out last year, their IDs will be 10316 and 8967 |
| [04:52:29] | wagnerrp: | for future reference, you ideally want your filename to match the name of the movie as found on themoviedb.org |
| [04:52:54] | wagnerrp: | http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/8967 |
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| [04:53:10] | wagnerrp: | that '_FD' from the DVD disc title is throwing it off |
| [04:54:12] | markcerv: | it's not being obvious to me how to "specify the TMDB IDs directory" |
| [04:54:22] | wagnerrp: | perhaps 'inetref'? |
| [04:54:57] | wagnerrp: | i guess that got removed |
| [04:55:58] | wagnerrp: | go into edit details, set the number manually, and then tell it to retrieve details |
| [04:56:10] | wagnerrp: | it will pick up the rest of the information at that point |
| [04:56:13] | markcerv: | that helped — when I am "over" the icon w/ the question mark, I pressed "I" and that pulled up a "video options" menu. I can go down to "Change video details" |
| [04:57:00] | markcerv: | i'm running 0.24.1-80-g1de0431 |
| [04:57:10] | markcerv: | (in case it changed in 0.24.2) |
| [04:57:28] | wagnerrp: | no, it seems its an option that has since been removed |
| [04:58:17] | markcerv: | are you running 0.25? |
| [04:58:26] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [05:02:44] | ** wagnerrp cues complaints from the CI bots... ** | |
| [05:07:52] | Seeker`: | CI bots? |
| [05:08:03] | wagnerrp: | continuous integration |
| [05:08:07] | Beirdo: | das boot! |
| [05:08:07] | wagnerrp: | the build bots |
| [05:08:46] | Seeker`: | I think inetref was renamed 'TMDB Number; |
| [05:08:48] | Seeker`: | in 0.25 |
| [05:09:07] | Seeker`: | or it might depend on the theme |
| [05:09:08] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: getting ready for a marathon four and a half hour viewing? |
| [05:09:25] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [05:09:41] | Beirdo: | been a while since I last watched the movie |
| [05:09:43] | wagnerrp: | woo! finished with exit code 0 |
| [05:10:04] | Seeker`: | 5am = sleeptime. NN. |
| [05:10:17] | wagnerrp: | night |
| [05:10:44] | wagnerrp: | and i didnt miss anything by completely ignoring the plugins |
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| [05:29:05] | wagnerrp: | why is this not triggering a reconnect.... |
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| [05:33:07] | wagnerrp: | youre not triggering a reconnect because youre not disconnected because i was on the wrong host when i terminated the backend..... |
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| [07:01:12] | prologic: | Does anyone have a script that'll remove the recordings > x days? (cleaning up old recordings) |
| [07:02:06] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Delete_recordings.py |
| [07:03:37] | prologic: | sweet :) |
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| [07:59:14] | georgep56: | Hi guys- quick question.. is there any reason I can't build a combined 0.25 be/fe and put it on the same network as my existing 0.24-fixes system? |
| [08:00:35] | wagnerrp: | none at all |
| [08:00:53] | wagnerrp: | of course you do have to be cautious in regards to the UPnP autodetection |
| [08:05:27] | trumee: | Is it possible to boot a machine using an mceusb remote? |
| [08:07:46] | wagnerrp: | the mceusb? yes... the machine? depends on the machine |
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| [08:09:04] | trumee: | wagnerrp, right. how do i check that. Machine should be able to wakeup from usb? |
| [08:09:22] | wagnerrp: | your system must be providing 5VSB power to the USB port |
| [08:09:40] | wagnerrp: | it must have wake-on-usb enabled in the bios |
| [08:09:49] | wagnerrp: | you must have the necessary USB bus settings enabled in linux |
| [08:10:03] | wagnerrp: | not quite sure on that last one, theres some sysfs stuff to tinker with that |
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| [08:10:39] | trumee: | wagnerrp, brb |
| [08:11:05] | georgep56: | Sorry.. laptop suddenly started swapping like crazy for no known reason so I had to reboot. |
| [08:11:24] | georgep56: | Thanks for the info.. I'll watch out for the PnP |
| [08:20:42] | trumee: | wagnerrp: can the machine be woken back from hibernate mode? |
| [08:20:55] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i am using tuxonice kernel with suspend to disk atm |
| [08:21:17] | wagnerrp: | again, it depends on the system |
| [08:21:40] | wagnerrp: | the MCEUSB supports sending the necessary ACPI wake signal from standby power |
| [08:21:54] | wagnerrp: | its up to the system as to what modes it supports listening for that signal |
| [08:22:22] | wagnerrp: | one of my machines can handle it from S3 (standby), but not S5 (hibernate) or shut down |
| [08:22:45] | trumee: | wagnerrp: are you using tuxonice patches? |
| [08:23:40] | trumee: | wagnerrp: atm, my machine switches off if i do S3 or S5. I dont know how different the response should be? |
| [08:23:54] | wagnerrp: | never heard of em |
| [08:25:10] | trumee: | wagnerrp: what distribution are you on? |
| [08:25:32] | wagnerrp: | freebsd |
| [08:25:48] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i am running gentoo here. and the patches are at http://tuxonice.net/ |
| [08:26:43] | trumee: | wagnerrp: ok, how different is the system response between S3 and S5. does it switch off in both cases? |
| [08:27:01] | wagnerrp: | S3 is standby |
| [08:27:12] | wagnerrp: | the system is still active, ram is still powered up |
| [08:27:21] | wagnerrp: | but youre looking at maybe 5W total usage |
| [08:27:30] | wagnerrp: | and maybe 5 seconds to normal operation |
| [08:27:42] | wagnerrp: | S5 is for all intents, powered off |
| [08:27:52] | trumee: | wagnerrp: will the power led be still on in S3? |
| [08:28:01] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [08:28:12] | wagnerrp: | well.. it may blink, or turn a different color |
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| [08:28:17] | wagnerrp: | again, depends on your hardware |
| [08:28:42] | trumee: | wagnerrp: is it possible to find out (physically) if the system is in S3 or S5 state? |
| [08:30:00] | wagnerrp: | depends on your hardware |
| [08:30:10] | wagnerrp: | fans and hard drives will be off |
| [08:30:15] | wagnerrp: | but some LEDs may be on |
| [08:30:24] | wagnerrp: | usually in a different manner from normal operation |
| [08:33:00] | trumee: | wagnerrp: right. is there a voltage requirement or a current requirement for the usb? |
| [08:33:35] | wagnerrp: | five volts |
| [08:33:57] | wagnerrp: | USB only ever operates at five volts |
| [08:34:09] | trumee: | wagnerrp: and how do i check if i have the required 5V? |
| [08:34:49] | wagnerrp: | your USB devices function |
| [08:35:51] | trumee: | wagnerrp: cheers |
| [08:36:16] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i am going to try a vanilla kernel, and try hibernate-ram |
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| [10:05:14] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i was able to suspend machine to ram and disk. However, the mceusb receiver shuts off too after suspend |
| [10:05:30] | trumee: | wagnerrp: the led in the receiver goes off. |
| [10:05:52] | wagnerrp: | the led is supposed to be off unless youre actively transmitting to it |
| [10:06:07] | trumee: | i have two leds in the receiver |
| [10:06:37] | trumee: | wagnerrp: it is dell/philips receiver |
| [10:07:10] | trumee: | wagnerrp: looks like this, http://www.esoldusa.com/servlet/the-4658/%23- . . . eiver/Detail |
| [10:07:48] | trumee: | wagnerrp: or like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-MCE-USB-RC6-IR-R . . . 260750111628 |
| [10:08:41] | trumee: | wagnerrp: it has a green led which is 'on' when the usb is powered, and a 'red' led which flickers only when ir is used |
| [10:08:55] | trumee: | i think :) |
| [10:10:14] | trumee: | alternatively, is there any way to test if usb is being powered in sleep mode? |
| [10:11:29] | trumee: | i have tried this, http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Ubuntu_S . . . USB_Activity |
| [10:12:11] | wagnerrp: | strip the wire and use a voltmeter? |
| [10:13:46] | trumee: | wagnerrp: how about connecting my smartphone to the usb, and checking if it is being charged in suspend mode? |
| [10:14:01] | wagnerrp: | its standby power |
| [10:14:08] | wagnerrp: | its not intended to be used for things like charging |
| [10:14:21] | wagnerrp: | i doubt it would be good for more than 50mW |
| [10:14:35] | wagnerrp: | 500mW |
| [10:14:55] | wagnerrp: | youre phone is likely wanting more like 5W |
| [10:14:59] | wagnerrp: | your |
| [10:15:17] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i have bluetooth dongle with a led as well |
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| [11:52:34] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i am able to wake up the system using a 'usb keybaord' not from the mceusb device |
| [11:52:59] | trumee: | wagnerrp: is it possible that it may be a limitation of the mceusb reciever? |
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| [12:33:17] | wizbit: | my next bit of hardware towards HD will be a: Highpoint Rocket 620 or a Lycom PE-115 |
| [12:33:34] | wizbit: | this will then free up all the sata ports on my mobo so i can use them for RAID-5 storage |
| [12:33:40] | wizbit: | mdadm everything |
| [12:33:48] | peque: | Hey Guys. Would It be possible to run your MBE on a NSLU or Asus EEE PC – without any Tunercards in, and have a SBE – with your tunercards that'll be wake up in case of user tries to se LiveTV.... I would install mythweb and mysql on the little ASUS EE |
| [12:34:59] | peque: | Mostly I would like how to make it work – so I'm able to shutdown the big machine for saving Power |
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| [13:13:51] | sphery: | peque: tunerless backends aren't yet supported |
| [13:13:55] | sphery: | possibly for 0.26 |
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| [13:37:21] | peque: | sphery: thnaks for the answer, so its not possible yet to make such a solution! Would a single USB-tuner (For DVB-T) be useable, and then have another Backend with DVB-S card – and that way around be a possible solution! |
| [13:37:23] | russell5: | i see that .25 is getting basic support for CEC. Mosty graphics cards with hdmi dont have cec capabilities right?or i am wrong |
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| [13:38:18] | sphery: | russell5: correct, you generally have to buy an adaptor |
| [13:38:54] | russell5: | just checking. now gotta see if my tv supports it |
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| [13:41:10] | sphery: | peque: while putting a useless tuner in is possible (such as a dummy tuner or a usb tuner), you will find that the little device is not sufficiently powerful to handle the mysql server requirements and the master backend scheduling. In reality, the best solution is to make your master backend a sufficiently-powerful, yet efficient machine |
| [13:41:59] | sphery: | peque: my thoughts: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/448321#448321 , and then also please see the 3 links toward the bottom of the post--including the ones that show you how to create a 25W Core i3 system that would work well |
| [13:42:15] | sphery: | it will likely idle at lower power usage than an Atom-based system |
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| [13:43:37] | sphery: | and, really, you could set up that machine so that it suspends when idle, then have something else on the network--such as your nslu--able to send a WOL packet to wake up the backend when you want to use mythweb or whatever |
| [13:44:08] | sphery: | (or, you could just do that, even with the not-necessarily-designed-to-be-efficent backend machine you have) |
| [13:46:36] | sphery: | specifically on the 25w system: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html |
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| [13:51:19] | peque: | The big problem in my setup is – HTat I'm Using DVB-S and the Cards I have are Hauppauge HVR4000 and Teevi 420 ! all PCI |
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| [13:56:42] | trumee: | does Revo 3700/3610 have enough power to play SD video? |
| [13:57:34] | trumee: | i am hoping to replace my big monster with a small revo. All the HDDs holding mythvideo stull will go to a HP Proliant Micro server |
| [13:58:15] | trumee: | s/stull/stuff |
| [13:59:11] | trumee: | which among the two need to be more powerful, FE or BE? |
| [14:02:04] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i got the mceusb wake working on one machine. It seems one needs to click on the 'power' key for wakeup, other keys dont work |
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| [14:37:06] | pyrodex: | wagnerrp: Thanks for your HDD help with 0.25 yesterday, had a successful night with 4 recordings going at once without a single issue. Tonight will be a complete test with all 6 tuners going at the same time. |
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| [14:58:03] | wizbit: | has another go at getting lirc working with kernel 3.2.5 |
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| [16:17:37] | warped: | Hi * |
| [16:18:46] | warped: | Was anybody able to compile today's master sources in cross compilation environment ? |
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| [17:03:29] | wizbit: | no wonder why it doesnt work |
| [17:03:30] | wizbit: | http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/HS9QE442.html |
| [17:03:39] | wizbit: | there is no mceusb driver... strange |
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| [17:13:42] | wizbit: | found the problem |
| [17:14:08] | wizbit: | mceusb driver is in lirc-0.9.0-pre1.tar.bz2 not lirc-0.9.0 odd |
| [17:20:31] | wizbit: | /tmp/SBo/lirc-0.9.0-pre1/drivers/lirc_mceusb/lirc_mceusb.c:54:28: fatal error: linux/smp_lock.h: No such file or directory |
| [17:20:34] | wizbit: | :( |
| [17:20:42] | wizbit: | kernel version must be too new |
| [17:21:24] | ertyu-m: | I've been seeing threads about drivers being moved into the kernel... |
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| [17:23:58] | wizbit: | the driver is in the kernel |
| [17:24:13] | wizbit: | but lirc still needs the driver= option to work |
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| [18:07:07] | tps: | Dear all, I am new to mythtv and UPnP/DLNA. I want to buy a TV and set up a video server environment. I also want to record what I see on my TV. I have a Linux box in my basement, Gentoo distribution. Is it possible to use mythtv on the linux box and connect the TV, likely a Samsung UE46D8005, to mythtv giving me a video server / recording environment? |
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| [18:10:31] | trumee_: | tps: yes, you can connect TV to gentoo box via hdmi |
| [18:11:49] | trumee_: | tps: 'basement', limited by length of hdmi cable then :) |
| [18:13:11] | tps: | trumee_: thanks. HDMI from linux box in basement to TV in living room? Am I wrong in thinking wireless connection? |
| [18:14:10] | trumee_: | tps: you could have get an ion box, acer revo or zotac to act as a frontend and connect it to TV |
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| [18:15:48] | tps: | trumee_: thanks. Frontend is the keyword. I guess I need a frontend? The TV does not act as a frontend by itself? |
| [18:16:17] | trumee_: | tps: no it doesnt. you a computer (frontend) connected to the TV. |
| [18:16:35] | trumee_: | tps: *need |
| [18:18:18] | tps: | trumee_: thanks. I will look into your frontend references. Will the frontend connect wireless to mythtv and be small quit and hidden away? |
| [18:19:23] | trumee_: | tps: you can hide the frontend behind the tv. you can get FE with wireless, but i am not sure if wifi will be good enough for HD shows |
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| [18:22:41] | tps: | trumee_: thanks. Thanks for your advice. |
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| [18:23:08] | trumee_: | tps: np |
| [18:24:10] | DarKnesS_WolF: | good evening everyone:-) I have a small question, If I did change the file named on the backend " media file" how i do replicate that on the frontend ? let just say i fixed it to get the data from the internet, but everytime i run filldatabase and try to retirive all data from frontend nothing happines and files still same names, i have to drop all database and redo all the work again . |
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| [19:08:39] | EagleIJoe: | stuartm: looking forward to the 'standy mode' you just commited |
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| [20:02:10] | pyrodex: | anyone running a mythfrontend 0.25 on windows by chance? How stable is it against current master? |
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| [20:55:19] | atpa8a: | hello |
| [20:55:23] | atpa8a: | thinking to build a mythtv box... got a few questions... |
| [20:57:20] | atpa8a: | in what manner could one connect multiple boxes? |
| [20:57:34] | [R]: | with rj45 cables |
| [20:58:16] | atpa8a: | alright... what about on mythtv side? |
| [20:58:57] | [R]: | huh? |
| [20:58:58] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
| [20:59:04] | atpa8a: | e.g. can i schedule recordings from different box? |
| [20:59:19] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [20:59:42] | wagnerrp: | a "mythtv system" encompasses multiple PCs, not just a single one like Windows Media Center |
| [20:59:55] | wagnerrp: | you have one master backend and one database |
| [21:00:08] | wagnerrp: | but as many frontends and slave backends as you have hardware to run them on |
| [21:00:17] | wagnerrp: | backend holds the tuners and storage |
| [21:00:17] | atpa8a: | cool |
| [21:00:24] | wagnerrp: | frontend plays the content recorded by the backend |
| [21:01:08] | atpa8a: | master and database... and at least frontend can (should) be on one box, right? |
| [21:01:48] | wagnerrp: | can, but do not have to be |
| [21:02:08] | wagnerrp: | database, backend, and frontend are all connected to each other over the network |
| [21:02:08] | atpa8a: | oh the database is just that :) mysql database |
| [21:02:19] | atpa8a: | wagnerrp: i want to start small :) |
| [21:02:27] | wagnerrp: | that network can be a local internal network that never leaves the single machine |
| [21:02:40] | wagnerrp: | it can be multiple machines linked over rj45 |
| [21:02:51] | wagnerrp: | it can (but shouldnt) be multiple machines linked over wifi |
| [21:03:06] | atpa8a: | is this a good place to talk hardware too? |
| [21:03:08] | wagnerrp: | it can (with proper tunneling and bandwidth) be multiple machines linked over the internet |
| [21:03:29] | atpa8a: | yup, reading the document |
| [21:04:04] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Hardware_Requirements |
| [21:04:16] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Choosing_Frontend_Hardware |
| [21:04:23] | atpa8a: | hmm... so i will only need to pay for one reciever to the cable |
| [21:04:37] | wagnerrp: | that depends, who is your cable provider? |
| [21:04:43] | atpa8a: | cablevision |
| [21:05:09] | atpa8a: | they provide the m-cards and tuning adapters for $2/mth |
| [21:05:37] | atpa8a: | http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv-4-pcie/ |
| [21:05:40] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv can only record 'copy freely' content off of cablecard tuners |
| [21:05:49] | atpa8a: | i hope this card is supported |
| [21:05:53] | wagnerrp: | and i dont know where cablevision rates in regards to marking content as such |
| [21:06:03] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [21:06:24] | atpa8a: | oh?.. |
| [21:06:54] | wagnerrp: | cablecard is a drm scheme |
| [21:07:00] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv, being open source, cannot do drm |
| [21:07:16] | atpa8a: | drm being?.. |
| [21:07:28] | wagnerrp: | even if we wanted to support cablecard tuners, and wanted to spend the inordinate amount of time and money getting licensed by CableLabs |
| [21:07:44] | wagnerrp: | the simple fact of us being open source and unable to protect the necessary keys, means we could do it |
| [21:07:53] | wagnerrp: | that leaves us as an 'unauthorized user' of cablecard tuners |
| [21:08:02] | atpa8a: | hmm |
| [21:08:10] | wagnerrp: | so the cablecard tuners will only allow us to access the drm-free content available on cable networks |
| [21:08:41] | wagnerrp: | digital cable comes with a 'CCI' code, that marks how content is supposed to be protected (DRM) |
| [21:08:55] | wagnerrp: | it comes with one of three values |
| [21:08:55] | atpa8a: | i see |
| [21:09:15] | wagnerrp: | "copy freely" means you can record it, and subsequently hand it out to anyone and everyone you want |
| [21:09:34] | wagnerrp: | it only exists as conditional access, your subscription needs to have the right to view that channel, but beyond that, they dont care |
| [21:09:49] | wagnerrp: | "copy once" means the content must be protected by the DRM implementation |
| [21:10:01] | wagnerrp: | everything that touches that content must be trusted |
| [21:10:01] | [R]: | is that really what copy freely means? |
| [21:10:07] | wagnerrp: | since mythtv is not trusted, it cant touch it |
| [21:10:18] | [R]: | do do do do... do do do... can't touch this |
| [21:10:32] | atpa8a: | hmm |
| [21:10:33] | [R]: | wagnerrp: btw, that's what she said |
| [21:10:38] | wagnerrp: | "copy never" means youre really not even supposed to record it, just view it |
| [21:10:58] | wagnerrp: | which in the case of most licensed DVRs such as cable boxes, tivos, and windows media center |
| [21:11:08] | wagnerrp: | you get a short rolling window in which to watch the show |
| [21:11:19] | wagnerrp: | after which the DVR automatically locks out access to it and deletes the recording |
| [21:11:34] | atpa8a: | hmm |
| [21:11:52] | wagnerrp: | [R]: as far as the DRM scheme is concerned, you can share it far and wide over the internets... of course copyright law otherwise gets in the way |
| [21:12:00] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [21:12:07] | atpa8a: | would one be able to record Friends? |
| [21:12:15] | [R]: | why would anyone watn to? |
| [21:12:16] | [R]: | lol |
| [21:13:38] | wagnerrp: | probably not, unless they could find it still rerunning in syndication somewhere |
| [21:13:59] | [R]: | i think it still plays on tbs |
| [21:14:13] | atpa8a: | was just an example... |
| [21:14:20] | atpa8a: | i'm mostly after sports |
| [21:15:04] | [R]: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEVdca9U9LM&ob=av3e |
| [21:15:10] | ** [R] does the tim taylor grunt ** | |
| [21:15:41] | atpa8a: | isn't that why they provide tuning adapter?.. |
| [21:15:54] | [R]: | isn't what? |
| [21:16:00] | wagnerrp: | the tuning adapters are something completely different |
| [21:16:07] | wagnerrp: | have you ever heard of switched video? |
| [21:16:36] | atpa8a: | only heard |
| [21:16:52] | wagnerrp: | in a normal cable system, everything is broadcast to everyone, all the time |
| [21:17:08] | wagnerrp: | and you use the conditional access system in CableCard to limit who is allowed to watch what |
| [21:17:23] | wagnerrp: | in a switched video distribution system, only those channels actually in use are being broadcast |
| [21:17:34] | atpa8a: | oh |
| [21:17:36] | atpa8a: | i see |
| [21:17:38] | wagnerrp: | when you tune into a channel, your cable box tells the headend you want that channel |
| [21:18:01] | wagnerrp: | so it selects a frequency and streamid do use, begins broadcasting the channel using that, and tells the cable box what that is |
| [21:18:11] | wagnerrp: | the cable box subsequently tunes that and begins playback |
| [21:18:45] | wagnerrp: | that action requires bi-directional communication with the headend, while normal cablecard tuners are only able to receive |
| [21:19:07] | wagnerrp: | so the tuning adapter is used to perform that upstream communication for it, and tell it where the channel is |
| [21:19:20] | wagnerrp: | mythtv, and linux in general, have no support for tuning adapters |
| [21:19:20] | atpa8a: | heh |
| [21:19:34] | wagnerrp: | no one has ever bothered to write the drivers to interface with them |
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| [21:20:02] | wagnerrp: | so that means if your cable subscription actually has a lot of 'copy freely' channels to make a cablecard tuner worthwhile for mythtv in the first place |
| [21:20:13] | wagnerrp: | then your only option for a cablecard tuner would be the HDHomeRun Prime |
| [21:20:40] | wagnerrp: | which has a USB host port to allow it to connect to a cablecard tuner, and manage all that stuff transparently to mythtv |
| [21:21:02] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the InfiniTV and DCR-2650, which require the host system manage the tuning adapter for the tuner |
| [21:21:31] | atpa8a: | i'm actually looking to get infinitv |
| [21:21:49] | atpa8a: | 4-tuner one |
| [21:21:52] | wagnerrp: | if you need tuning adapters, an infinitv will be of no use to mythtv |
| [21:22:23] | atpa8a: | they provide the adapters for switched |
| [21:22:33] | atpa8a: | looking for info... |
| [21:22:36] | wagnerrp: | who? |
| [21:22:47] | atpa8a: | cablevision |
| [21:23:00] | wagnerrp: | okay? |
| [21:23:17] | atpa8a: | otherwise you get the other one |
| [21:23:25] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, the infinitv and dcr-2650 cannot use tuning adapters |
| [21:23:39] | wagnerrp: | they require the host system to send the necessary communication to the tuning adapter for them |
| [21:23:49] | wagnerrp: | and then inform them of the necessary frequency information |
| [21:23:58] | wagnerrp: | which linux cannot currently do |
| [21:24:28] | atpa8a: | http://optimum.custhelp.com/app/answers/detai . . . 11/related/1 |
| [21:25:49] | atpa8a: | premium in this case is what?.. on-demand and such? |
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| [21:29:14] | wagnerrp: | hbo, showtime, etc... |
| [21:29:27] | atpa8a: | yeah |
| [21:29:33] | atpa8a: | don't care about those |
| [21:29:51] | wagnerrp: | but this says nothing in regards to their DRM flagging |
| [21:29:58] | atpa8a: | doesn't |
| [21:30:14] | atpa8a: | http://optimum.custhelp.com/app/answers/detai . . . sdv_services |
| [21:30:16] | Beirdo: | dangit. Just had to have a bug in my new code :) |
| [21:30:18] | Beirdo: | fixed |
| [21:30:35] | ** wagnerrp goes back to code himself ** | |
| [21:30:47] | atpa8a: | wagnerrp: thanks! |
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| [21:35:35] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ban for you do to on the mailing list |
| [21:39:55] | Beirdo: | let me go look |
| [21:40:25] | wagnerrp: | should be readily apparent |
| [21:40:31] | Beirdo: | Oh, WTF? |
| [21:42:35] | Beirdo: | gone |
| [21:42:58] | Beirdo: | Thank you, LinkedIn for putting the email of the user in the headers :) |
| [21:43:17] | wagnerrp: | hojuruku... i recall something along those lines being mumbled in The Final Countdown |
| [21:45:24] | wagnerrp: | well this is odd... mythmediaserver does not seem to be engaging the database schema check |
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| [21:45:41] | atpa8a: | hmm |
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| [21:46:14] | atpa8a: | it doesn't seem like i get the channels i need... |
| [21:48:25] | wagnerrp: | atpa8a: which leaves you with one of those analog capture methods described on that recording cable page |
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| [21:48:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thoughts on what i might be missing that makes me not trigger a schema check? |
| [21:49:08] | trumee: | wagnerrp: wake-on-usb finally worked on my pc. thanks for the tips earlier |
| [21:49:30] | wagnerrp: | good to hear |
| [21:49:38] | wagnerrp: | havent actually had mine set up in maybe... two years? |
| [21:50:21] | wagnerrp: | it tends to fluctuate in functionality with each new kernel update |
| [21:50:24] | trumee: | wagnerrp: only thing i dislike is that mceusb only triggers the bootup if powerkey of the mceusb remote is pressed |
| [21:50:52] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt want it powering up just because someone accidentally touched the remote |
| [21:50:53] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i was hoping to use my TV remote power key to boot PC, but that doesnt work |
| [21:51:15] | wagnerrp: | program your remote to send both signals when you press that button |
| [21:51:17] | trumee: | wagnerrp: seems mceusb receiver is tied to the remote it came with |
| [21:51:28] | wagnerrp: | yes and no |
| [21:51:29] | atpa8a: | "Using the SA4250HDC/Point-to-point/400MB setting in Myth. Works with 4 cable boxes. Most SD and HD channels (including premium) work (3 HD channels with 5c, about 15 SD channels with 5c). "... does that mean i'd still need a cablebox?.. and get as many tuners as there are in the cablebox?.. |
| [21:51:41] | trumee: | wagnerrp: my sony tv remote isnt programmable |
| [21:52:12] | wagnerrp: | that wakeup command is tied to the particular signal for the power button on the MCE remote |
| [21:52:19] | wagnerrp: | but beyond that, its a generic receiver |
| [21:52:42] | wagnerrp: | you can reprogram lircd to receive any other RC6 signals from other remotes |
| [21:53:25] | trumee: | wagnerrp: right, my mceusb remote isnt programmable either, so i cant reprogram the remote to understand sony tv receiver |
| [21:53:46] | trumee: | so i would need to get a better reprogrammable remote, or i am stuck with 2 remotes |
| [21:54:40] | pyrodex: | trumee: Logitech harmonys are nice |
| [21:55:15] | trumee: | pyrodex: last time i saw they were pretty expensive |
| [21:55:37] | pyrodex: | trumee: depends on which model you get and the models vary on how many devices you need to control max. |
| [21:55:56] | trumee: | pyrodex: ah ok. i will have another look |
| [21:56:19] | pyrodex: | cheapest one is 30$ and does 4 devices. |
| [21:56:33] | trumee: | does anybody know if ion box (revo/zotac) are good enough to play SD video (freeview/freesat)? |
| [21:56:46] | trumee: | pyrodex: that will be good for me |
| [21:56:57] | pyrodex: | http://www.logitech.com/en-us/remotes/univers . . . devices/6812 |
| [21:57:35] | trumee: | pyrodex: thanks for the link |
| [21:58:07] | trumee: | pyrodex: these can be programmed for any tv? |
| [21:58:40] | pyrodex: | the logitech's have an online database and you pick the TV and model and then it tries to setup the buttons the same way on the remote as your remote. |
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| [21:58:53] | pyrodex: | you program the remote with software online |
| [21:58:58] | pyrodex: | very cool indeed |
| [21:59:06] | trumee: | nice |
| [21:59:12] | trumee: | wagnerrp: any idea about revo? |
| [21:59:27] | pyrodex: | I have a nicer Harmony One in my downstairs with all my big devices and a smaller model upstairs. |
| [22:00:10] | wagnerrp: | pyrodex: programming the remote with software online _sucks_ |
| [22:00:26] | wagnerrp: | its slow, painful, needlessly requiring too many clicks |
| [22:00:53] | pyrodex: | wagnerrp: true with the UI but it does allow for updated databases of IRCodes as device's evolve and change |
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| [22:01:30] | wagnerrp: | no it doesnt, you could just as easily provide code maps in plain text to a real software application |
| [22:02:25] | pyrodex: | true, but was that in relation to his requirement of a remote for his TV and one for his Myth? |
| [22:03:00] | wagnerrp: | none, it was in relation to your "very cool indeed" |
| [22:03:53] | pyrodex: | ok |
| [22:04:44] | wagnerrp: | ive got two 880s, with another 880 and 550 in the closet replaced due to dead keys |
| [22:04:59] | wagnerrp: | i love those remotes, but the software to configure them is awful |
| [22:05:46] | pyrodex: | yea the interface is annoying at times, but never had an issue with them NOT knowing my devices. My only other complaint is you need a different account for each remote unless you have the same setup in each room. |
| [22:06:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [22:06:23] | pyrodex: | How is the mythfrontend working on windows? Attempting to compile it now using the mythbuild script. |
| [22:06:41] | atpa8a: | hmm |
| [22:06:48] | atpa8a: | this sucks! |
| [22:06:51] | wagnerrp: | no idea, never managed to get it compiled myself |
| [22:07:16] | atpa8a: | would linuxmce work?.. |
| [22:08:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: not doing a schema version check? |
| [22:08:14] | pyrodex: | well lets see if this goes through... after going to 0.25 lost the ability of livetv in mythbox on XBMC |
| [22:08:55] | wagnerrp: | sphery: seems not |
| [22:09:03] | wagnerrp: | its a version behind, and runs anyway |
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| [22:11:10] | sphery: | and no evidence of it even looking at the top of logs? |
| [22:11:27] | wagnerrp: | nope, even with -v database --loglevel debug |
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| [22:27:17] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: heh, wrote a long flame to logitech the first time I set up a harmony. |
| [22:28:44] | trumee: | seems nobody has used a revo/zotac here? |
| [22:29:19] | Seeker`: | I cant understand the lag with harmony ones |
| [22:29:31] | Seeker`: | unless they got bored and decided to see how many nops they could put in the cod |
| [22:29:34] | Seeker`: | e |
| [22:30:32] | [R]: | lag? |
| [22:30:35] | [R]: | my harmony is blazing |
| [22:30:52] | Seeker`: | sometimes registers one press as two |
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| [22:31:10] | Seeker`: | if you press the scroll buttons 10 times quickly, it won't stop scrolling for 20 seconds |
| [22:31:28] | [R]: | in myth? |
| [22:31:33] | Seeker`: | and I have all of the repeats set to 0 |
| [22:31:34] | Seeker`: | correct |
| [22:31:40] | [R]: | sounds like your lirc repeat values are off |
| [22:32:11] | Seeker`: | sit isn't consistent |
| [22:32:15] | Seeker`: | *it |
| [22:32:44] | Seeker`: | press once, wait a second, press once, wait a second and you get the right number of moves (usually) |
| [22:32:53] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: its certainly 'different', but ive not noticed any inconsistency |
| [22:33:05] | wagnerrp: | the issue is that each keypress is discrete |
| [22:33:16] | wagnerrp: | with an on, hold, release, and wait |
| [22:33:28] | atpa8a: | hmm |
| [22:33:30] | Seeker`: | [R]: I can also try it with the remote I used to program the harmony one, and it works fine, even with quick button presses |
| [22:33:35] | wagnerrp: | if you hit it ten times, its going to run that sequence ten times, regardless of how fast you press the button |
| [22:33:46] | [R]: | Seeker`: ok... and? |
| [22:33:52] | atpa8a: | so infinitv will work with WMC but not mythtv for the content i need?.. |
| [22:33:57] | sphery: | or lirc gap or lirc toggle_bit_mask |
| [22:34:03] | Seeker`: | [R]: so it is a harmony one problem, not lirc |
| [22:34:15] | wagnerrp: | if the repeats are wrong, adjust the timing in your harmony config, or adjust the repeat counts in your lircrc |
| [22:34:19] | Seeker`: | if it were a lirc problem, I'd get the same behaviour with the original remote |
| [22:34:29] | [R]: | its not a "problem" with antyhing... its just different |
| [22:34:38] | wagnerrp: | atpa8a: if you need to access copy protected content, then analog capture is your only option |
| [22:34:45] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: youre not getting me |
| [22:34:55] | wagnerrp: | the original remote is just a dumb circuit |
| [22:35:09] | wagnerrp: | you press the button, you close the circuit, and the transmitter spams out that signal |
| [22:35:22] | wagnerrp: | on a harmony remote, you press the button, the remote queues up an event |
| [22:35:28] | atpa8a: | wagnerrp: "The CableCARD decrypts the TV signals into a standard format so the box can display/distribute them." |
| [22:35:42] | wagnerrp: | which means sending that signal for a pre-programmed amount of time, and then waiting another pre-programmed amount of time before the next button press |
| [22:35:57] | wizbit: | for anybody who _hates_ richard hammond from top gear, watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0i0RXMvzMs |
| [22:43:36] | wagnerrp: | is hammond the old guy? |
| [22:44:56] | DeviceZer0: | hes the little guy |
| [22:45:10] | DeviceZer0: | old guy is jeremy clarkson |
| [22:46:11] | wagnerrp: | ugh... 1900 lines of diff to review before i can commit |
| [22:46:51] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: whats it for? |
| [22:47:04] | wagnerrp: | IPv6 |
| [22:47:41] | ** ertyu-m just added ipv6 to an app ** | |
| [22:47:41] | wagnerrp: | specifically, reorganizing all the listen servers in mythtv for security reasons, and complications caused by IPv6 |
| [22:48:01] | ertyu-m: | the hardest part was figuring out what to do with the legacy ipv4 hacks |
| [22:48:29] | wagnerrp: | there is a certain sysctl that if set true, listening globally will only listen on IPv6 globally |
| [22:48:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, db schema version check seems to work for me... can I see log output from your backend (or mythtv-setup) |
| [22:48:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: in mythmediaserver? |
| [22:49:12] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: so this patch replaces all the little individual listen servers with server pools |
| [22:49:25] | wagnerrp: | containing several servers all bound to a single IP address |
| [22:49:36] | Seeker`: | ooh cool |
| [22:49:40] | wagnerrp: | and splits the BackendServerIP into BackendServerIP and BackendServerIP6 |
| [22:49:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oh, it's just mythmediaserver... let me look |
| [22:49:59] | wagnerrp: | including a whole crapton of little fixes for places that access that value |
| [22:51:45] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: theres some half dozen independent tickets on the wiki that all reference the same problem in regards to that sysctl |
| [22:52:52] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: this was the thing i was asking you about a couple days ago |
| [22:53:16] | wagnerrp: | since it reworks all the individual listen servers in mythtv, that includes all of marks raop/airtunes stuff |
| [22:53:17] | Seeker`: | heh, yeah, makes sense now |
| [22:53:21] | wagnerrp: | and i have no means to test it |
| [22:53:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: looks like you're missing a if (!UpgradeTVDatabaseSchema(false, false)) (see mythfrontend for an example) |
| [22:54:33] | sphery: | we probably should put similar in mythpreviewgen and other binaries, but we've never actually checked schema in them |
| [22:54:49] | sphery: | (it used to be previewgen was in mythbackend, so we did check schema version back then...) |
| [22:55:08] | wagnerrp: | im thinking i snagged main.cpp from mythjobqueue to write it |
| [22:55:47] | sphery: | looks like we only check it in mythbackend, mythfilldatabase, mythavtest, mythfrontend, and mythtv-setup |
| [22:56:16] | wagnerrp: | so its this GetMythDB()->HaveSchema() |
| [22:57:04] | sphery: | no, it's actually "if (!UpgradeTVDatabaseSchema(false, false)) ... exit" |
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| [22:57:11] | wagnerrp: | i assume this InitializeMythSchema in mythfrontend is for the individual plugin schemas? |
| [22:57:29] | wagnerrp: | oh, i see it now |
| [22:58:00] | sphery: | thanks for noticing how many don't have it |
| [22:58:09] | sphery: | we definitely should put it in for mythjobqueue (and I will do that) |
| [22:58:51] | sphery: | probably mythpreviewgen |
| [22:59:27] | sphery: | not sure about mythtranscode or mythcommflag or mythccextractor or mythutil |
| [22:59:38] | sphery: | nor about mythmetadatalookup |
| [23:00:38] | sphery: | I suppose it's not important for mythwelcome--since it just idles 'til it start mythfrontend (which checks it) and only really uses settings? |
| [23:01:03] | wagnerrp: | transcode, commflag, and util, all yes |
| [23:01:14] | wagnerrp: | ccextractor, perhaps less so since it should be read-only |
| [23:01:30] | wagnerrp: | only thing i think it might write to is the inuserecordings |
| [23:01:39] | sphery: | ccextractor and commflag, in theory, could be used without the DB |
| [23:01:49] | sphery: | (though I totally think we should rip out that functionality) |
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| [23:04:33] | wagnerrp: | actually, i think ccextractor operates always with no DB interaction |
| [23:05:33] | sphery: | yeah, since it's not actually writing the captions to the db |
| [23:05:44] | sphery: | but I meant commflag may be used that way by some, too |
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| [23:19:52] | wagnerrp: | the bigger issue is im just reluctant to spend any significant amount of time fixing flaws in mainserver.cpp and the other remote access code |
| [23:20:16] | wagnerrp: | since its going to be largely wasted effort as that gets migrated over to libmythprotoserver, or the services API |
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| [23:20:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ^^ |
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| [23:55:13] | sphery: | knightr: you are amazingly quick--already updated the "Master head" thing... |
| [23:55:46] | sphery: | 2min after the ticket mentioned it... |
| [23:59:12] | knightr: | sphery, LOL, I feel watched... :) Most people don't have that problem though because they use the link we provide (that's where the LANGUAGE string comes from when they forget to change it) but I corrected it anyway since it wasn't accurate anymore... |
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