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Friday, February 10th, 2012, 00:01 UTC
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[00:10:34] markcerv: aha — playback not showing up problem semi-solved — the frontend's logfile (which is a different box than the backend), says: 2012-02–09 16:00:05.498 PlaybackBoxHelper Error: CHECK_AVAILABILITY 'myth://127.0.0.1:6543/1767_20120209160000.mpg' file not found  — so it doesn't know the IP of the backend
[00:14:00] wagnerrp: sure it does, you told it the IP of the backend
[00:15:38] Guest20071: Just wondering if anyone has had the pleasure of getting u-verse box (actually moto vip1200 from aliant) working with microsoft mce usb ir receiver
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[00:16:27] wagnerrp: most people around here have decided that ATT/UVerse sucks balls
[00:16:33] wagnerrp: who is your local cable provider?
[00:16:33] markcerv: i'm confused. that error came from frontend. i agree that frontend knows about the backend (otherwise, i wouldn't be able to see my recorded shows in first place). But is that "correct" that it's querying localhost?
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[00:17:01] wagnerrp: markcerv: when you set up the frontend, you gave it the location of the database to connect to
[00:17:02] Guest20071: It is with bell aliant in canada
[00:17:18] wagnerrp: when you set up the backend in mythtv-setup, you stored the IP address of the backend in the database
[00:17:20] markcerv: wagnerrp: correct, and i just verified it in the settings
[00:17:28] wagnerrp: Guest1832: oh, canada... cant do much about that
[00:18:09] wagnerrp: markcerv: meaning, the frontend is trying to stream the content from the backend, using the IP address you specified in mythtv-setup for that backend
[00:18:12] Guest20071: hahaha, my providers are limited
[00:18:30] Guest20071: it is the same box as u-verse though
[00:18:57] wagnerrp: Guest1832: well, more that in the US, you have the option of cablecard if your local cableco is comcast or verizon
[00:19:06] markcerv: wagnerrp: but output from mythfronend.log refers to: PlaybackBoxHelper Error: CHECK_AVAILABILITY 'myth://127.0.0.1:6543/1767_20120209160000.mpg' file not found
[00:19:10] wagnerrp: canada doesnt require cablecards
[00:19:41] Guest20071: yeah no cable cards here :(
[00:20:24] wagnerrp: is your frontend and backend on the same physical box?
[00:20:28] markcerv: nope
[00:20:49] wagnerrp: then the only reason it would be querying 127.0.0.1 is due to a misconfiguration on your part
[00:20:54] wagnerrp: (that setting in mythtv-setup)
[00:21:02] wagnerrp: recordings are mapped to a hostname
[00:21:22] markcerv: but in mythtv-setup, i verfied that the backend is: 192.168.37.92 frontend is 192.168.37.93
[00:21:25] wagnerrp: and then that hostname is mapped to an IP address, based off the BackendServerIP value you set in the first page of the General section in mythtv-setup
[00:21:35] wagnerrp: where did you run mythtv-setup?
[00:21:46] wagnerrp: on the frontend or on the backend?
[00:21:57] markcerv: at various times, probably on both
[00:22:13] wagnerrp: it must be run on the backend you want to configure
[00:22:24] wagnerrp: there are a mix of global and local settings in there
[00:22:39] wagnerrp: specifically, on that page, there are two separate IP values
[00:22:57] wagnerrp: the Backend IP is a local value, that configures the selected IP for that hostname
[00:23:04] markcerv: i'm VNC'd in, but don't want to run mythtv-setup on the backend right now, cause it's recording.
[00:23:37] wagnerrp: the Master IP is matched against the Backend IP, and used by mythbackend on startup to determine if it should operate as the master backend
[00:24:12] wagnerrp: if you are running more than one physical machine, the backend IP must be a network accessible address
[00:24:23] wagnerrp: and the master IP must match whatever machine you want to operate as the master
[00:24:56] markcerv: I just restarted mythfrontend on the frontend (.93), and in the tailed log file, it is seeing the backend: 2012-02–09 16:23:19.779 MythCoreContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.37.92:6543 (try 1 of 1)
[00:24:58] wagnerrp: while mythtv-setup will only pop up and warn you of an existing backend
[00:25:11] wagnerrp: that value will not take effect until the backend has been restarted
[00:26:04] wagnerrp: nearly all communication is between the frontend and the master backend
[00:26:18] wagnerrp: the only time the individual backend is accessed is for streaming videos
[00:26:33] wagnerrp: which is why if you changed the master address by running mythtv-setup on the frontend
[00:26:49] wagnerrp: most things would appear to work, but streaming recordings and videos from the backend would fail with the wrong address
[00:27:14] markcerv: i did run mythtv-setup on frontend, but for backend, i have in the .92 address (and for sure NOT 127.0.0.1)
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[00:28:02] wagnerrp: in mysql.... select data,hostname from settings where value='BackendServerIP';
[00:28:31] wagnerrp: also of interest may be... select data from settings where value='MasterServerIP';
[00:28:42] markcerv: on which box?
[00:28:43] wagnerrp: the master address is used for the bulk of communications
[00:28:48] wagnerrp: in mysql
[00:28:57] wagnerrp: doesnt matter what box, because you only have the one database
[00:29:04] markcerv: ah, duh. yes.
[00:29:05] wagnerrp: i assume you only have the one database, right?
[00:29:20] wagnerrp: if youve got multiple databases then theres a whole slew of other problems youve got to resolve
[00:30:36] markcerv: was the 2nd sql query supposed to be different? it's same (well, data vs data,hostname)
[00:30:51] wagnerrp: MasterServerIP is a global setting
[00:31:06] wagnerrp: there is only one instance of that, so the hostname is irrelevant
[00:31:43] markcerv: it has row 1: | 192.168.37.92 | ion3d ; row 2: | 127.0.0.1 | mythtv9200 | and row 3: | 127.0.0.1 | mythtv9200 |
[00:31:50] markcerv: mythtv9200 = the backend = .92
[00:31:58] markcerv: the ionid is the frontend, at .93
[00:32:15] wagnerrp: that looks like mythtv9200 is listed as at 127.0.0.1
[00:32:42] markcerv: and if used by other machines on network, it should be it's IP. right? (i'm using dhcp, so ip's wont' change)
[00:33:08] wagnerrp: the very definition of DHCP is that your IP address is dynamic, and will change
[00:33:14] wagnerrp: thats what the 'D' means
[00:33:54] markcerv: sorry, i meant to say I've assigned static leases for those IP's in my DHCP in my router
[00:33:58] wagnerrp: most consumer DHCP servers will maintain IP addresses until the lease lapses
[00:34:01] markcerv: so, they will NOT be changing
[00:34:14] wagnerrp: unless youve statically assigned them to particular MAC addresses
[00:34:16] markcerv: based on their MAC addresse
[00:34:52] wagnerrp: for the moment, they must be an IP address, hostnames wont do
[00:34:59] markcerv: (i appreciate your being a stickler for wording, sorry for any confusion)
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[00:35:11] wagnerrp: and actually, it seems you screwed up things a bit worse
[00:35:21] wagnerrp: since you said ion3d is located at .92
[00:35:45] wagnerrp: at the moment (until i get this patch in), dedicated frontends shouldnt even have a BackendServerIP defined
[00:36:03] wagnerrp: you only need one if things are supposed to connect to you through information found in the database
[00:36:24] wagnerrp: which right now is limited to backends only
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[00:37:42] markcerv: So, should I attempt to clean-up the settings table where value='BackendServerIP';
[00:37:55] markcerv: there are 3 rows...but I only have 1 backend
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[00:41:19] wagnerrp: no, you shouldnt tinker in the database manually
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[00:41:34] wagnerrp: wait until youre done recording, run mythtv-setup on the backend, and change the values to be correct
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[00:41:43] wagnerrp: then restart your backend, and everything should be fine
[00:42:11] wagnerrp: you wont have to worry about the incorrect address for ion3d until you either try to run a backend on it, or upgrade to 0.25
[00:43:24] wagnerrp: were slowly moving to a web-based setup, where all configuration is done against a live backend, on a web server built into the backend
[00:43:46] wagnerrp: hopefully it will be ready for 0.26, at which point all these strange behaviors should be masked or removed
[00:44:33] markcerv: i think what happened, is that I got the .92 backend, and the .93 frontend working great 2 nights ago. Feeling smug, I then added a 2nd front-end only box (and old p4 lenovo), that I already had connected to "the kids" tv (was running QIMO on it). Ran mythtv-setup on that box (.60) and that's what might have messed things up.
[00:44:56] wagnerrp: two backends? you have more tuners than fit in a single machine?
[00:45:24] markcerv: i didn't say two backends...you did. ;)
[00:45:46] markcerv: i have the HDHR Prime w/ comcast cable card as my 3 tuners.
[00:46:02] wagnerrp: so i did... doing too many things at once
[00:46:13] wagnerrp: i actually read ".93 frontend" as ".93 backend"
[00:46:50] wagnerrp: i know what it is, the windows are overlapping
[00:46:53] markcerv: 1 backend, dell dimension 9200 (.92); 1st frontend only ion3d (.93), 2nd frontend only, lenovo p4 (.60)
[00:46:54] wagnerrp: means i need more monitors...
[00:47:12] wagnerrp: dont expect much out of that P4 laptop
[00:47:27] markcerv: lenovo thinkcentre desktop
[00:47:35] wagnerrp: dont expect much out of that P4 desktop
[00:47:42] markcerv: it works great for the kids shows in lowdef
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[00:48:01] wagnerrp: 2.5GHz or better, youll probably be able to handle most of the MPEG2 content you get off that prime
[00:48:09] markcerv: it stutters a little w/ the highdef, but not too bad
[00:48:19] wagnerrp: but unless its a dual core version, i wouldnt even bother with the deinterlacers
[00:48:39] markcerv: it's not a dual core
[00:48:53] wagnerrp: what speed? what graphics?
[00:50:42] markcerv: (checking hardinfo....)
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[01:01:22] markcerv: Hre ya go: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/443664/lenovo.html
[01:02:10] wagnerrp: 2x... so thats just hyperthreading, not actually 2 cores?
[01:03:01] markcerv: i'm not sure. it's a box that someone was throwing out, and i rescued from the curb.
[01:03:28] markcerv: heck, it only has 0.5GB of ram.
[01:04:03] markcerv: ok — past 5pm — time to rerun mythtv-setup on the backend
[01:04:08] wagnerrp: i915 graphics, 3GHz should be good enough for any of the HD MPEG2 you might record, but the graphics will limit you to the Qt painter and Xv video renderer
[01:04:38] wagnerrp: and i would look into getting some more DDR2
[01:04:52] wagnerrp: its cheap, and 512MB is a bit light for mythfrontend's taste
[01:04:54] markcerv: if the box is "usable enough", i totally will
[01:05:36] wagnerrp: at 188MB used, im assuming the frontend is either not running, or it hasnt navigated from the main menu since you started it
[01:06:06] markcerv: nope, before i left for work this am, i played a few shows to check it out
[01:06:16] wagnerrp: any significant use, and especially any significant use on a theme with lots of artwork, will cause that to shoot up real fast
[01:06:33] markcerv: aha, on 1st setup page — local backend(mythtv9200) ip address: 127.0.0.1  — the smoking gun
[01:07:16] markcerv: changing to .92
[01:08:03] wagnerrp: the only reason i can think playback might have worked previously is if you had the recording drives mounted on the other machines over NFS
[01:09:06] markcerv: i didnt
[01:09:39] markcerv: but i didn't try using the ion frontend since I rand mythtv-setup on the lenvo this am.
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[01:14:23] markcerv: http://127.0.0.1/mythweb/remote/keys — is actually faster w/ screen updates than VNC is. SMH.
[01:15:12] wagnerrp: thats because they effectively do the same thing
[01:15:20] wagnerrp: but VNC is full screen and jpeg
[01:15:33] wagnerrp: while that screenshot is scaled down, and significantly easier png
[01:16:00] wagnerrp: try using it across the internet, and those large pngs will make the experience very much different
[01:16:02] markcerv: select * from settings where value='BackendServerIP'; — now shows 3 entries (as before), but this time ALL ips are .92
[01:16:30] wagnerrp: i have no idea why you would have two separate copies of that setting for one of the hosts
[01:16:54] markcerv: could it be because I've run mythtv-setup 3 times, once on each box?
[01:17:08] wagnerrp: as mentioned, thats a local setting
[01:17:25] wagnerrp: it uses whatever hostname the system has as a key
[01:17:43] wagnerrp: unless you manually specify an override in the database credentials file
[01:17:51] markcerv: nope, didn't do that.
[01:18:56] wagnerrp: most people are completely unaware of that option, and those that are aware rarely use it
[01:19:10] markcerv: ok — headed home. hopefully the 2 front ends will actually play the vids that are recorded.
[01:19:23] wagnerrp: its really only intended for someone who wants to run two separate profiles on a single machine
[01:19:33] wagnerrp: such as one for desktop use, and one connected up to a projector or tv
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[01:20:40] markcerv: Thank you wagnerrp! For setting me straight today. (and day before, and day before).
[01:20:54] wagnerrp: thats what the channel is here for
[01:22:15] ** Seeker` gives wagnerrp a cookie **
[01:23:43] ** wagnerrp asks for a glass of milk **
[01:25:41] ** Seeker` heads to the kitchen **
[01:27:03] wagnerrp: ill need a straw too
[01:27:36] Seeker`: one already in there
[01:27:50] wagnerrp: need a napkin too
[01:27:58] Seeker`: dont have any
[01:28:41] ** wagnerrp needs to stop doing these obscure references **
[01:29:40] Seeker`: its fine to do obscure references
[01:29:51] Seeker`: as long as they are ones I've seen/heard of :P
[01:35:14] tweek__: hey wagnerrp, thanks again for adding rec.markup.getcutlist() to the Python bindings
[01:35:21] tweek__: made this all so much easier
[01:35:59] wagnerrp: that was like a year and a half ago
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[01:36:29] tweek__: yeah, it's been a while since I came back to this script
[01:36:41] tweek__: still works great, just redoing it all for Windows Media Center now
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[01:57:55] wagnerrp: Beirdo: arent you recording Rob?
[01:59:09] wagnerrp: i didnt hit stop after the big bang theory finished, and caught a minute of it before it hit the end of the recording
[01:59:21] Beirdo: it's in my recording list, yeah
[01:59:30] wagnerrp: it seems like that whole show just revolves around making fun of rob schneider's character
[01:59:37] Beirdo: yup :)
[01:59:58] wagnerrp: although to be honest, it seems like all of his movies are about that too...
[02:02:33] wagnerrp: unrelated note... is the usb->serial->usb stuff dishtv or directv?
[02:03:34] Beirdo: directv
[02:03:44] wagnerrp: dish is the network control?
[02:04:04] Beirdo: directv has some network control on some models too
[02:04:10] Beirdo: no idea on dish, never used them
[02:04:26] wagnerrp: so its all directv, dishtv users are just screwed
[02:05:00] Beirdo: they might be, yeah
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[02:10:14] Beirdo: NP: Ozzy Osbourne – Perry Mason
[02:10:36] Beirdo: the instrumentation is soooo good... then Ozzy starts singing. :)
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[03:57:39] Beirdo: yup
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[04:32:31] wagnerrp: wow... the NRC just gave approval to build two new Gen3 nuke plants in the south east
[04:32:42] Beirdo: good
[04:33:14] wagnerrp: and with japan and a large chunk of europe getting out of the game, more uranium for us!
[04:33:25] Beirdo: hehe
[04:33:38] Beirdo: well, with the majority of it coming from Canada and Russia...
[04:33:50] Beirdo: as that's where the mines are
[04:34:04] wagnerrp: i hear missouri's got a big chunk of it too
[04:34:50] Beirdo: in mines?
[04:34:59] Beirdo: interesting
[04:35:09] wagnerrp: might be too scattered to be of much use
[04:35:40] wagnerrp: i recall flipping through encarta or something back in grade school in the early 90s
[04:36:02] wagnerrp: bunch of charts of mineral abundance by state
[04:36:08] wagnerrp: missouri was high for uranium
[04:37:34] wagnerrp: couple small mines in the north east
[04:40:48] wagnerrp: seems theres nothing in missouri
[04:40:55] wagnerrp: must have been something else they had in abundance
[04:41:08] Beirdo: crappy beer?
[04:43:21] wagnerrp: as a natural resource?
[04:43:35] wagnerrp: crappy or no, they have beer just bubbling up from the ground?
[04:43:40] wagnerrp: thats awesome!
[04:43:51] Beirdo: oooh, no that would be industrial waste
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[05:43:35] Beirdo: 264 critical alarms left.
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[07:32:54] clever: wagnerrp: looks like a yes
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[07:53:22] wagnerrp: Beirdo_, or maybe sphery: re 10318... know anyone running a -2250 on i686?
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[08:01:16] Beirdo_: nope
[08:01:16] Beirdo: mine's on an i7
[08:01:16] Beirdo: how many i686 platforms have PCI-e?
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[08:03:22] wagnerrp: maybe some old socket-t P4s
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[08:06:08] wagnerrp: yeah, the 2004 Prescotts used T, and were 32-bit
[08:06:20] wagnerrp: 2005 and later all supported 64-bit
[08:06:36] wagnerrp: wait wait... isnt yours on an i5?
[08:06:40] ** wagnerrp ducks **
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[08:07:40] wagnerrp: Beirdo_: the original prescotts were 775 and 32-bit
[08:08:44] Beirdo_: yeah
[08:08:50] Beirdo_: but still, not many of em
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[08:09:15] ** Beirdo slaps freebloat.. stop ditching my connection, or I'll roast you on a spit! **
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[08:13:08] wagnerrp: Beirdo: do you know anything about autodeletion of children in qt?
[08:14:16] wagnerrp: i suppose doing so just entails some pretty serious thread safety issues?
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[08:32:33] MythLogBot: sphery is here and has been idle for 1 day 14 hours 55 minutes 42 seconds
[08:34:18] dekarl_zZz: as it appears that time search will stay with us for another round, any chance for getting #10023 in for 0.25? (it has no milestone atm)
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[08:37:11] wagnerrp: why do we have separate startts and recstartts in that class?
[08:37:35] dekarl_zZz: <guess> preroll?
[08:38:13] dekarl_zZz: or rather "start early"
[08:38:20] wagnerrp: usually youve got starttime, progstart, and recstartts
[08:38:23] wagnerrp: choose two
[08:38:45] wagnerrp: and startts and recstartts are set to the same value, at least in the location just inh fixed
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[08:40:41] dekarl_zZz: oh, now I see it, too.
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[08:58:04] dekarl_zZz: wagnerrp: If I understand the code its not even looking at the upcoming recordings but only at the guide and past recordings, so it doesn't know the preroll/startearly values.
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[09:01:31] wagnerrp: ProgramInfo is one of those classes thats just way too large
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[09:03:04] wagnerrp: looks like the patch is about 500 lines off
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[09:05:26] wagnerrp: ah, i see what youre saying
[09:05:41] wagnerrp: that information isnt available where its pulling the values from
[09:05:50] wagnerrp: but it still needs something to populate those fields with
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[10:24:04] seeker: Morning
[10:25:16] wagnerrp: seeker: you use the raop/airplay stuff, right?
[10:25:55] seeker: Occasionally, yes
[10:26:31] wagnerrp: think you might be available for guinea piggery at some point during the next few days?
[10:27:26] seeker: Quite possibly. What will you be needing?
[10:27:59] wagnerrp: ive redone all the networking in mythtv to open up a list of servers bound to individual addresses
[10:28:12] wagnerrp: rather than the existing behavior of binding to 'any' address
[10:28:31] wagnerrp: which involves a decent bit of rewriting in those two classes
[10:28:47] wagnerrp: ive just got no way to test the changes myself
[10:29:59] seeker: Got a patch I want to finish off this evening for dependant widgets, so should be able to give it a shot after I've done that,
[10:30:01] seeker: Or tomorrow
[10:30:51] wagnerrp: ok, ill probably be testing tonight, and committing it maybe tonight or saturday
[10:31:20] wagnerrp: i just dont want it sitting there untested all the way through to release
[10:32:13] wagnerrp: thanks
[10:33:35] seeker: I wouldn't mind attempting to keep RAOP up to date with markk's code, if I knew a dev would commit it, but given that my patch for the http auth for it doesn't seem to have had any attention I'm guessing that none of the active devs are massively interested in it
[10:34:04] wagnerrp: i wouldnt count on me for commits
[10:34:11] wagnerrp: but you might get iamlindoro interested
[10:34:17] wagnerrp: hes at least got an ipad
[10:36:44] wagnerrp: youve got one or two open against that, right?
[10:37:31] wagnerrp: i could check them for sanity, and make sure they compile
[10:37:52] wagnerrp: i just have no understanding of the protocol, or way to test
[10:38:20] wagnerrp: i wouldnt mind committing them, i would just be doing it blind
[10:39:35] seeker: I've got one patch open against that, for HTTP digest auth
[10:44:02] seeker: wagnerrp: I can totally understand them not getting committed if the devs can't actually test it, I Just wanted to know that before I did the work. I'm happy picking up random easier things from other devs "todo" lists if that is more useful
[10:47:41] wagnerrp: although i must say, looking at the two protocols, its interesting the completely different path they took with airplay
[10:48:38] seeker: I've not really looked at the airplay protocol yet, only RAOP
[10:49:06] seeker: There didn't seem to be many similarities from what I did see
[10:51:06] wagnerrp: yeah
[10:51:38] wagnerrp: with RAOP, the initial TCP connection really doesnt do anything but sit there
[10:51:47] wagnerrp: all the communication is low level UDP datagrams
[10:52:33] wagnerrp: with airplay, there is no UDP, its all TCP, with HTTP and XML
[10:52:37] seeker: Only volume control and "goodbye" after the initial setup I think. And possibly position updates
[10:54:16] wagnerrp: im not actually seeing any use of the initial TCP connection
[10:54:26] wagnerrp: aside from use of it to get the remote address
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[10:54:48] wagnerrp: theres nothing hooking into it to read data
[10:54:59] wagnerrp: there are calls to unceremoniously flush out the data
[10:55:14] wagnerrp: and a hook to catch disconnects to terminate the session
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[10:59:22] seeker: wagnerrp: 3rd line in mythraopconnection::init?
[11:02:13] wagnerrp: well look at that, surprised i missed that
[11:02:21] wagnerrp: must be too late at night...
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[11:06:07] seeker: :P
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[11:06:15] seeker: Where in the world are you?
[11:06:37] wagnerrp: east coast us
[11:06:52] wagnerrp: (im starting to hear the first birds of the morning... :)
[11:08:07] seeker: I don't think there is ever a significant period of time when you aren't on though :P
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[14:14:58] ** wagnerrp reluctantly begins remedial python lessons yet again **
[14:15:29] wagnerrp: no, this isnt even remedial python
[14:15:38] wagnerrp: its... i dont know what it is, pre-programming?
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[14:16:32] Scopeuk_: computing 101... ... locating the power button?
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[14:18:29] wagnerrp: do you follow the mailing list at all?
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[14:20:27] smoothifier: i follow it, wagnerrp. he's really getting on my nerves
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[14:20:44] smoothifier: you're showing a lot of patience
[14:21:12] wagnerrp: i dont mind helping people through using them
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[14:21:24] wagnerrp: but he just lacks any conceptual understanding of programming
[14:21:33] wagnerrp: its like watching 24
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[14:21:49] wagnerrp: "ill give you a couple libraries, and they will just magically work with whatever youre doing"
[14:22:03] smoothifier: i'm a bit lost on python, but he was mixed up with simple variables a few days ago
[14:22:11] wagnerrp: "ill open a socket, and our devices will magically figure out how to talk to each other"
[14:22:54] wagnerrp: i gave him a block of code showing how to get the values he wants out of the bindings, and apply them to his string
[14:23:24] wagnerrp: someone with no python experience should be able to look at the syntax, figure out whats going on, and at least have a general idea of what to do
[14:23:28] seeker: wagnerrp: you mean programmers don't just smash their faces on the keyboard and magically get code out that works? :o
[14:23:56] wagnerrp: but he just copies that block of code, pastes it verbatim into the existing code, and doesnt understand why its not doing anything
[14:24:07] smoothifier: i use a 2x4, seeker :)
[14:24:49] seeker: Pfft, I don't know, kids these days with their gadgets!
[14:24:53] smoothifier: yes he has no concept of scope. i remember that he didn't know where to paste it.
[14:25:15] seeker: wagnerrp: I think what he means is "write the script for me"
[14:25:17] wagnerrp: he has no concept of variables
[14:25:21] smoothifier: he's taken on something that is over his head
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[14:26:17] smoothifier: this is all for subtitles, right?
[14:26:24] smoothifier: is he deaf?
[14:26:49] wagnerrp: this is all so he can get a list of unique words spoken during a show
[14:27:16] wagnerrp: i have absolutely no clue how that could be useful
[14:27:26] wagnerrp: when he was initially talking about it
[14:27:36] wagnerrp: i assumed he wanted to do full text searches of that stuff
[14:27:54] wagnerrp: but his goals are far far far more simplistic
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[14:40:48] seeker: wagnerrp: Not sure how you have resisted sending a link to "beginners guide to python"
[14:41:31] wagnerrp: a beginners guide wouldnt do any good
[14:41:45] wagnerrp: because they generally assume some ability to reason
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[14:49:08] skd5aner: seeker: do you have an ambilight system hooked up to your TV?
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[14:52:20] seeker: skd5aner: an ambilight clone. See http://youtu.be/DEi9Fkpwjc
[14:52:28] skd5aner: yea, that's where I saw it...
[14:52:33] skd5aner: did you make it or buy it?
[14:52:45] seeker: Made it
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[14:53:43] skd5aner: cool – do you ahve a writeup?
[14:55:13] seeker: Not at the moment. I was going to, but it turned out to be really simple. The strips are bendy enough that I didnt have to cut them for the corners of the TV. Other than that it is an arduino running a very simple sketch and boblight
[14:56:02] seeker: The parts that I actually used cost around £120 I think
[14:58:07] seeker: skd5aner: I can add a write up to my todo list if you would like?
[14:58:44] skd5aner: I remember looking at them about 2 years ago... but thought they were kind of a gimmick at the time, but the more I've seen them, the less gimmicky I think they are
[14:58:48] skd5aner: and would be fund to do
[14:59:09] skd5aner: seeker: sure! but only if you want to... I'd find it interesting and would probably attempt it
[15:00:00] seeker: skd5aner: It's probably something I should do before I forget it all. I really need to get the control software I wrote a little more polished
[15:00:27] seeker: I made it very easy to hook in to mythtv system events
[15:00:36] skd5aner: is it using a passthrough device?
[15:00:41] seeker: And wrote a web control
[15:00:49] seeker: What do you mean?
[15:01:08] skd5aner: mythfrontend --> hdmi --> ambilight --> hdmi --> tv ?
[15:01:43] skd5aner: or something completely different?
[15:02:21] seeker: No, bit of software on the frontend which grabs the frame buffer
[15:02:33] seeker: Pumps out RGB values to the arduino
[15:03:25] skd5aner: ah
[15:03:27] wagnerrp: i have to expect an HDMI edge scanner shield for the arduino would be extremely expensive
[15:03:37] wagnerrp: ... and more powerful than the arduino itself ....
[15:03:49] skd5aner: wagnerrp: hadn't looked in years – completely forgot how it go it's data
[15:04:28] wagnerrp: now if youre using composite, a line reader would probably be pretty cheap
[15:04:51] wagnerrp: but i would expect there to still be a fair chunk of code needed to extract the vertical edges
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[15:11:26] seeker: Bah, I can't remember my web host shell password
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[15:17:43] seeker: skd5aner: Http://cjo20.net/LightControl.png
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[15:19:40] sid4windr: http://youtu.be/DEi9Fkpwjc -> The URL contained a malformed video ID. :(
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[15:20:29] seeker: http://youtu.be/DEi9Fkp5wjc
[15:20:47] sid4windr: aha
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[15:21:30] sid4windr: that's quite neat!
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[15:22:10] seeker: :)
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[15:23:51] wagnerrp: i could see a use for some form of backlight, so you dont have a bright screen contrasting against black wall
[15:24:03] wagnerrp: im just not sure how i feel about it dynamically following the video
[15:24:20] wagnerrp: although this is with exactly zero experience using one in person...
[15:25:44] seeker: wagnerrp: I quite like it myself. I had a desk lamp behind the TV before that. The problem is that a static light doesn't adjust to screen brightness
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[15:26:51] wagnerrp: dynamic brightness i could see, again... too high of contrast between the screen and the background
[15:26:57] wagnerrp: im just not sure how i feel about the color
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[15:32:08] seeker: Why do you think it would be bad?
[15:32:08] seeker: For the first week you spend as much time looking at the lights as you do the TV. After that it just seems normal, and not having it seems weird
[15:32:17] seeker: wagnerrp: My setup is slightly more subtle now, I've backed down the saturation level
[15:32:26] quicksilver: wagnerrp: surely not having ambilights is like driving a nissan GT-R without neon underlights? :)
[15:32:57] wagnerrp: seeker: lack of first hand experience, mostly
[15:33:29] ** quicksilver bounces around the channel on his hydraulic suspension **
[15:34:00] wagnerrp: ive not so much seen one in use at an electronics store
[15:34:12] wagnerrp: much less had any time on a couch in front of one
[15:34:43] wagnerrp: i *think* i would find it distracting, with exactly zero evidence to back that up
[15:34:54] wagnerrp: it's a "gut feeling" as it were
[15:35:31] seeker: It is slightly distracting until you get used to it
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[15:37:45] seeker: wagnerrp: I would offer you a demo, but it would be slightly more expensive / time
[15:37:59] seeker: Consuming to get here than to build your own :P
[15:38:14] wagnerrp: heh, who pays for the airline flight halfway around the world?
[15:38:49] seeker: Yeah, that's the problem :P
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[15:44:27] seeker: Quite pleased with the control system I wrote for it though. Just need to do "echo 1 > /home/htpc/notify/tv" to start it going, which makes it quite easy to script
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[15:47:05] DarKnesS_WolF: I am having problem with fedora 16, and TWINHAN 1027 card, whenever i start mythbackend after adding the transport list, i get send_diseqc FE_DISEQC_SEND_MASTER_CM failed eno: Invaild argument (22) then my computer frezes like kernel panic any idea ?
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[15:49:08] skd5aner: wagnerrp, seeker: I could see getting used to it, but I could see it being a disraction to guests who might come over
[15:49:30] wagnerrp: like a kernel panic, or actually a kernel panic?
[15:49:54] DarKnesS_WolF: nothing prints on teh screen i am trying to cehck the logs,
[15:50:00] seeker: skd5aner: There is an "off" button if people complain :)
[15:50:13] skd5aner: yea – I figured as much – just turn it off in those situations
[15:50:41] skd5aner: actually, with my remote I could just program a soft button and tell the script to turn it off :)
[15:50:45] skd5aner: with irexec
[15:50:57] seeker: :)
[15:51:07] ** skd5aner wants one to play with now **
[15:51:53] seeker: Hehe
[15:52:18] skd5aner: is it similiar to this guy's? – http://www.howtogeek.com/96212/diy-ambilight- . . . ial-version/
[15:52:31] seeker: Most people react to it quite well. As in "wow that's cool". By the time the novelty has worn off, they are used to it
[15:52:39] DarKnesS_WolF: session froz, but via ssh the machine still running
[15:52:41] DarKnesS_WolF: Feb 10 17:48:12 Rock kernel: [ 183.888045] mb86a16_write: writing to [0x08],Reg[0x05],Data[0x00]
[15:52:44] DarKnesS_WolF: Feb 10 17:48:27 Rock dbus-daemon[1138]: ** Message: No devices in use, exit
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[15:53:03] clever: DarKnesS_WolF: if ssh responds, its not a kernel panic
[15:53:17] clever: more likely to be X11 or driver problems
[15:53:27] clever: which can sometimes be reset over ssh
[15:53:48] DarKnesS_WolF: seems like a kernel bug
[15:53:52] DarKnesS_WolF: just a sec will pastebin now
[15:55:44] DarKnesS_WolF: http://pastebin.com/UE5DUBLh
[15:56:10] seeker: skd5aner: Nowhere near as complex. I use www.sparkfun.com/products/10312
[15:56:44] skd5aner: wow – the demo in that guy's youtube video picked some good scenes to show off
[15:56:48] seeker: skd5aner: The hardware I'm using is literally 2 of those, some Sellotape and an arduino
[15:57:02] seeker: It also isn't as bright as his though
[15:57:11] skd5aner: by the reaction to that NIN concert would likely give me a headache and/or seizure
[15:57:14] clever: DarKnesS_WolF: looks like a bug in the dvb code
[15:57:27] skd5aner: seeker: yea – tooooo bright I would think
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[15:58:44] clever: seeker: how does it get the color info then, an app polls x11 and averages the frames together?
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[15:59:35] seeker: clever: Grabs frame buffer data
[15:59:40] ** skd5aner is a sucker for projects like this **
[15:59:51] seeker: You can vary how often it updates
[16:00:02] clever: seeker: ah, so your just bypassing the entire hdcp issue
[16:00:05] skd5aner: when I stumble on things like this, I get bitten by the bug and immediantly want to start breaking out the soldering iron and buying parts
[16:00:12] clever: though it wont work on any hdmi device, only the pc itself
[16:00:21] seeker: clever: Correct
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[16:00:45] skd5aner: what feeds the device from the PC? USB?
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[16:00:54] sherif: sorry for the DC
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[16:01:08] clever: ive seen a solution that is just 5 lines of code away from doing that to HDCP on HDMI
[16:01:18] DarKnesS_WolF: did i miss anything ?
[16:01:31] clever: but you could probly do it easyer by just slapping a filter cap on the YUV lines and directly driving some led's :P
[16:01:36] DarKnesS_WolF: what do u think it is ? a driver bug ?
[16:01:45] clever: DarKnesS_WolF: yeah, a bug in the dvb driver
[16:02:02] clever: DarKnesS_WolF: line 104
[16:02:34] clever: enless the irq has something to do with it
[16:02:45] clever: then it could be anything, but dvb may still be likely
[16:03:14] DarKnesS_WolF: anything i can do from my motherboard for example to disable the irq ?
[16:03:44] seeker: skd5aner: Correct, USB
[16:03:53] skd5aner: cool – I
[16:03:59] seeker: The only problem with my setup is a slight lag behind the tv
[16:04:06] skd5aner: I'll have to put it on my todo list – would be great to see your script
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[16:04:38] clever: seeker: if you hooked it into the video decoding in myth, could you cheat that lag some and get the color data a few frames ahead of time?
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[16:07:32] skd5aner: heck – if you put support direclty in mythtv, you could probably sell kits :)
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[16:09:10] seeker: clever: That guy was using boblight (I think) and he didn't seem to have any lag
[16:09:56] clever: seeker: could be problems in the firmware/software then
[16:10:39] clever: seeker: are you using DigitalWrite to control the led's?
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[16:13:12] clever: seeker: a quick glance at the example code shows a 500uS delay for each update, though i dont know what exact code you used
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[16:15:28] seeker: Clever: github.com/michaelficarra/amblight
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[16:15:51] esperegu_: anyone can tell me how to improve picture quality? I have a dvb-s stream on and it is flickering a lot. When I put progressive on via the menu it is quiet but a little bit 'liny' on moving parts. How to set it so it displays properly? thx a lot!
[16:15:57] clever: seeker: 404
[16:16:00] seeker: Amblight.ino is what I am running on my arduino
[16:16:20] seeker: Should be ambilight/
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[16:17:37] clever: seeker: ah, its using the WS2801 lib, hmmm
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[16:18:26] clever: https://github.com/adafruit/WS2801-Library
[16:18:31] seeker: Yup
[16:20:05] clever: seeker: looks like it writes everything to a ram buffer, then dumps it in bulk
[16:20:27] clever: might be able to halve the cpu time if you write it out as you read the serial port
[16:20:47] seeker: I think it does that to prevent problems if the data stops briefly
[16:21:01] seeker: I.e. long enough to latch the data
[16:21:21] seeker: Although the clock could be held high so it doesn't count it
[16:21:30] clever: yeah, not sure if the led's have a latch pin, havent read the specs
[16:22:08] seeker: The chips display their currnt value when they haven't had new data in 500uS
[16:22:15] clever: ah
[16:22:26] clever: explains the 1ms delay in ::show
[16:22:45] seeker: Yes
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[16:25:02] clever: seeker: ive done some avr work here aswell, http://gallery.earthtools.ca/temp/day.png
[16:26:22] clever: "2012-02–10 12:26:06 bedroom temp: 24.25c(75.65f), kitchen: 26.88c(80.38f), living room: 22.69c(72.84f), outdoor: 5.88c(42.58f) VCC: over 4.5 volts portb: 00000000"
[16:26:48] seeker: Cool
[16:27:05] clever: it also controls the heat in one zone
[16:27:08] seeker: Hmm, GitHub.com/ph1x3r
[16:28:35] clever: seeker: 43bb433 looks like it may give a performance boost
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[16:31:59] seeker: Might give that a go this weekend
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[16:40:37] seeker: clever: Looks like I just need to change the constructor I'm using in the code
[16:40:49] seeker: The adafruit library has SPI
[16:41:49] tweek__: ais there a proper way to obtain a channel name through the Python bindings?
[16:43:08] tweek__: I used to iterate through MythDB.getChannels() but that's now marked legacy
[16:44:10] tweek__: iterating through Channel(db = correctlyInitializedDB).getAllEntries() fails remotely, db credentials supposedly aren't passed along
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[16:50:44] Guest38616: fast question, can i use mythtv as a media player for movies and so on without having a dvb or capture cards ?
[16:51:25] tweek__: sure, just don't set one up and don't use the live TV features
[16:52:18] Guest38616: tweek__: whenever i try to start the backend, i get error may be you need to run the setup again ?
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[16:58:43] wagnerrp: fails... how?
[16:59:13] wagnerrp: Guest38616: see mythvideo... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Video_Library
[16:59:40] tweek__: fails with a DB_CREDENTIALS exception
[16:59:56] tweek__: after it fails to find config.xml or a UPnP connection
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[17:00:48] Guest38616: thx !
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[17:00:58] wagnerrp: where is this 'correctlyInitializedDB' coming from?
[17:01:00] tweek__: apparently a DBCache object is created at some point without the db being passed through
[17:01:03] wagnerrp: its a MythDB() object?
[17:01:20] wagnerrp: could you post a traceback?
[17:01:35] tweek__: db = MythDB(DBHostName = '1.2.3.4', DBName = 'mythconverg'...)
[17:03:04] seeker: clever: the other thing I am thinking of is a new arduino, which allows a faster serial transfer rate (115k vs 36k)
[17:04:59] tweek__: http://pastebin.com/zUsWzpiR
[17:05:09] tweek__: codepad was down :/
[17:06:56] seeker: clever: Actually, I think arduino can do higher than I am using anyway. That'd definitely be worth trying
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[17:07:34] clever: seeker: just do some basic math on the baud rate and see how much you actualy need
[17:07:56] clever: seeker: whats your stripLength?
[17:08:37] seeker: 64 LEDs, 3 colours per led, 8 bits per colour
[17:08:58] seeker: Works out as 40ms per frame I think @38400bps
[17:09:01] wagnerrp: tweek__: getAllEntries() is a classmethod
[17:09:04] seeker: Which is too much
[17:09:23] wagnerrp: the database credentials are not getting passed, because youre not passing them
[17:09:28] clever: seeker: about 200 bytes per 'frame', what 'fps'?
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[17:10:09] tweek__: thanks, never understood that language construct
[17:10:14] tweek__: gonna read up on it
[17:10:27] seeker: clever: About 30
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[17:10:37] wagnerrp: basically, instead of passing 'self', it passes 'self.__class__
[17:10:54] wagnerrp: it does not have access to the object you called it from
[17:10:56] clever: seeker: thats ~1.5 seconds to transmit 1 second worth of frames
[17:10:56] tweek__: oh, like a static method
[17:11:05] wagnerrp: no, not quite
[17:11:17] wagnerrp: a static method doesnt know what it belongs to
[17:11:27] seeker: clever: Yeah, I think that might be my problem. Going to try upping the serial rate first and see what happens.
[17:11:33] wagnerrp: if you subclass something, a static method still does the same exact thing
[17:11:39] clever: seeker: up the serial rate or down the fps i think
[17:11:49] seeker: At work for another hour thought -_-
[17:11:58] wagnerrp: while the classmethod knows what the new subclass it is being called against is
[17:12:10] clever: seeker: my rought math says atleast 60,000 baud to meet the goal
[17:12:10] seeker: clever: Upping the serial rate would be preferable
[17:12:22] clever: round it up to the nearest standard speed
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[17:12:46] seeker: 115200
[17:12:49] wagnerrp: tweek__: basically, getAllEntries() is defined way way back in DBData
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[17:13:16] wagnerrp: if i had used a staticmethod, getAllEntries would try to pull the contents of the 'dbdata' table in the database
[17:13:31] wagnerrp: but since its a class method, it knows that it is supposed to operate on the 'channel' table
[17:13:47] clever: seeker: pm
[17:14:26] tweek__: because it calls cls._fromQuery() instead of DBData._fromQuery()
[17:14:34] wagnerrp: correct
[17:14:36] tweek__: makes sense
[17:14:46] wagnerrp: and the 'cls' is supplied by the decorator function (classmethod)
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[17:15:05] wagnerrp: have you used decorators before?
[17:15:13] tweek__: nope. always ignored them
[17:15:46] wagnerrp: oh, theyre wonderful things for making high level code easy to write, and low level code damned impossible to debug
[17:15:48] wagnerrp: :)
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[17:16:31] tweek__: was wondering how exactly there were a bunch of method calls missing from the stacktrace
[17:16:45] wagnerrp: basically, when you put @classmethod at the top of a function
[17:16:49] tweek__: from item in ch._fromQuery("", (), db = db) works perfectly, thanks
[17:17:15] tweek__: is there a list of these decorators? I thought they were merely convenience labels for documentation
[17:17:38] wagnerrp: it reads in the function, and then 'classmethod' is called with the function as its input
[17:17:47] sherif_: I am trying to run mythtv as video library and still getting that error when i run the backend 2012-02–10 19:14:18.433 Scheduler, Error: No capture cards are defined in the database. Perhaps you should re-read the installation instructions?
[17:17:49] wagnerrp: you can either return another function
[17:17:54] wagnerrp: or return an instance of a class
[17:18:25] wagnerrp: when you '__get__' that attribute, you are actually getting the decorator
[17:18:46] wagnerrp: and the decorator has __call__ defined, so it can manipulate the inputs in some manner, and pass them onto your defined function
[17:18:56] tweek__: classmethod(func) then calls the method being decorated with (func.__class__) passed in as a parameter?
[17:18:57] wagnerrp: sherif_: it means you have not defined any capture cards
[17:19:10] wagnerrp: mythtv is a DVR, it needs capture cards to record video
[17:19:34] wagnerrp: yes, in place of the 'self'
[17:19:45] wagnerrp: erm, no, not exactly
[17:20:06] wagnerrp: since func's __class__ will likely be 'function'
[17:20:09] wagnerrp: since its a function type
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[17:20:36] wagnerrp: get you get an attribute from an object
[17:20:43] wagnerrp: that attribute's __get__ method is called
[17:21:03] wagnerrp: with the inputs (self, instance, owner)
[17:21:18] wagnerrp: where owner is the class that the attribute is part of
[17:21:35] wagnerrp: and instance is the instance of that owner class, potentially None if its just the class
[17:21:40] sherif_: wagnerrp: what if i don't want it to work with capture cards or i don't have " due to the driver looping bug " what should i do in this case ?
[17:22:13] wagnerrp: at the moment, mythtv requires a capture card, either a physical one, or a virtual one
[17:22:22] wagnerrp: if you have no intention of buying a capture card to record TV
[17:22:40] wagnerrp: then use the dummy input, give it an mpeg file, create a dummy video source with a dummy channel
[17:22:49] wagnerrp: and map that to the input on your capture card
[17:23:27] wagnerrp: tweek__: so when you get that attribute, wrapped in classmethod()
[17:23:38] wagnerrp: the __get__ is called, supplying the classmethod instance with the owner
[17:23:59] wagnerrp: the classmethod returns a copy of itself
[17:24:19] wagnerrp: and then that owner is then passed into the function as the first argument, when the __call__ method is used
[17:24:22] sherif_: wagnerrp: thx will do that :)
[17:24:39] sherif_: i am willing but my twinhan giving me hell ! not sure how it is gona be fixed this bug of looping
[17:25:21] wagnerrp: tweek__: its all sorts of nasty to wrap your head around
[17:25:36] wagnerrp: but allows for some fancy code patterns once you get used to it
[17:25:38] tweek__: yeah, trying some various calls in the Python shell to see what it returns
[17:31:05] tweek__: thanks for telling me all this, really helped my understanding of what's going on
[17:32:24] wagnerrp: tweek__: now if you want to get into some real dark magic, metaclasses perform the same purpose, but for classes
[17:32:47] wagnerrp: the decorator gets called when you create a function, the metaclass (or type) gets called when you create a class
[17:33:26] wagnerrp: consider something like... class A( B, C, D ): a=1;b=2;c=3
[17:33:54] wagnerrp: a metaclass would run through the normal __new__ and __init__ methods
[17:34:43] wagnerrp: but with name 'A', bases (B, C, D), and attrs {'a':1, 'b':2, 'c':3} as its inputs
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[17:35:18] wagnerrp: allowing you to get inside the class, and tinker with what those attributes actually are
[17:35:36] tweek__: instead of calling B, C and D's __init__ first and passing whatever the user included
[17:35:38] wagnerrp: add some attributes, remove others, modify more
[17:36:13] wagnerrp: or you can do things like register the new class against some sort of list
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[17:36:58] wagnerrp: for instance, rather than calling Channel() manually
[17:37:12] tweek__: I think Qt has a mechanism sort-of like that
[17:37:14] wagnerrp: i could set up some class factory, something like factory.Channel()
[17:37:40] wagnerrp: and make the DBData classes of a special type, that would register themselves against that factory upon creation
[17:38:05] wagnerrp: so, if someone had produced a Channel class, with custom attributes, it would know about it and use it
[17:38:21] wagnerrp: if not, it would dynamically generate a DBData class to use for accessing that table
[17:39:35] wagnerrp: i came across some issue a few days ago, where the %cn/%cc/%cN values used by mythlink are not available to Program.formatPath
[17:39:57] wagnerrp: because Program is in mythproto.py, while Channel is in dataheap.py which imports mythproto
[17:40:26] wagnerrp: i could move Channel into mythproto, arbitrarily breaking the division between files
[17:40:42] wagnerrp: or i could have such a factory down in database.py or connections.py
[17:40:54] wagnerrp: and Program would be able to access the Channel class through it
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[17:41:28] tweek__: hate those sorts of x-references-y-which-references-x conflicts
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[17:49:40] sphery: wagnerrp: FWIW, my HD-3000s do something similar (when I try to tune a bad channel--like one that's been moved and I need a rescan (happened when they were moving around digital channels for the switchover)). I think it's actually the drivers. I'll admit MythTV may be doing something to stress the drivers or using some approach that causes the drivers to hit the bad code.
[17:50:19] sphery: that said, I don't think it's a mythtv bug--after all, if the drivers break to the point where nothing can use them until a full reset...
[17:50:45] wagnerrp: sphery: the thing where the driver locks up and the card is unresponsive until a reboot?
[17:50:50] sphery: yeah
[17:50:57] sphery: #10318
[17:52:01] sphery: I see it as being like if the video card "locked" up and nothing new got drawn on screen... even if MythTV triggers it, we can't fix it (all we could do is work around the bug)
[17:52:42] sphery: if the drivers themselves are broken by some behavior mythtv requests of them and it affects all other programs that try to use the drivers after that point
[17:53:02] sherif_: nice ! thx wagnerrp works perfect now :) just need to fix somekind of audio problem :)
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[17:53:25] sherif_: but when i do press esc to go out the video i get just black screen need to kill frontend everytime
[17:54:28] sphery: opengl video renderer?
[17:55:58] sphery: oh, looks like you're using the stupid, er, dummy capture card
[17:56:04] sherif_: yes i am
[17:56:23] sphery: well, that's not really meant to be watched
[17:56:26] sherif_: :-s my card has some kind of drvier bug makes the cpu loops and huge load all over the cpu
[17:56:42] wagnerrp: presumably hes watching video library content
[17:57:01] wagnerrp: sherif_: what CPU?
[17:57:04] sphery: is it a real load? chances are it's not that important
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[17:57:41] sphery: when ivtv had such issues, for example, the load wasn't real--and /anything/ else the cpu did to keep itself busy just kept the drivers from spinning
[17:58:17] sherif_: i3 intel
[17:58:25] sphery: meaning at that time, I just used the drivers, the load numbers were high, so I just ran seti@home and I didn't even notice :)
[17:58:33] sherif_: wagnerrp: but from the logs it really seem the shitty driver
[17:58:53] sherif_: sphery: :) my load avrage reaches 14
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[18:00:05] DarKnesS_WolF: hmm video streams okay audio does not work :) now my setup is frontend on laptop and backend on desktop over network no auido i guess something to do with my frontend configurations :)
[18:01:10] sphery: DarKnesS_WolF: I'd suggest you try that card with those drivers and run something that takes a lot of cpu and see if the load average drops
[18:01:33] wagnerrp: looks like the neighbors are not getting satellite
[18:01:47] sphery: if so, then the code that's running isn't actually increasing load or causing problems--it's just breaking the mechanism the kernel uses to measure load
[18:01:59] sphery: (the code in the driver, that is)
[18:02:24] wagnerrp: theres a directv truck outside
[18:02:33] wagnerrp: the neighbors have a steep roof
[18:02:39] wagnerrp: its snowing pretty heavily
[18:03:05] wagnerrp: and theyve got the ladder propped up against the north wall
[18:03:26] wagnerrp: i want to yell out the window... "you're pointing it the wrong way!"
[18:03:39] DarKnesS_WolF: lol
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[18:08:19] DarKnesS_WolF: hmmm on both computers there is no auido, and files on it's own does have audio
[18:08:40] wagnerrp: then you have audio in mythtv misconfigured
[18:08:51] wagnerrp: or you simply never configured it and the default value does not work
[18:09:39] DarKnesS_WolF: yes seems so
[18:09:42] DarKnesS_WolF: i am using fedora 16
[18:09:43] DarKnesS_WolF: itis hell !
[18:09:56] DarKnesS_WolF: i miss my old ubuntu dvb server everything works as charm :(
[18:10:17] DarKnesS_WolF: wagnerrp: on the frontend audio setup ? or backend ?
[18:10:21] wagnerrp: youll want to use one of the ALSA outputs, rather than anything labeled 'pulse'
[18:10:41] wagnerrp: unless youre talking about analog capture cards, all audio setup is done in the frontend
[18:12:23] DarKnesS_WolF: wagnerrp: now i am lost :-s i created a dummy capture card " just a sample file" I added some avi videos and needs to watch them on other computer, where the audio should be configured ? in teh frontend right ?
[18:13:28] wagnerrp: audio for playback is configured on the frontend
[18:13:34] DarKnesS_WolF: okay
[18:13:38] DarKnesS_WolF: thx :) will check that now
[18:16:03] tweek__: I use Fedora too
[18:16:27] tweek__: just tried setting mythfrontend to ALSA, killed all sound playback in every open application and froze mythtv
[18:17:11] tweek__: but then, with PulseAudio playback, every so often the sound will come out as pure static until the user manually seeks to another point in the video
[18:18:22] DarKnesS_WolF: ok audio works !
[18:18:41] DarKnesS_WolF: i did change it to alsa:front,something,dev=0 or so :)
[18:20:59] DarKnesS_WolF: now the fire a bug report for my dvb card :) and let us hope for the best :)
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[18:50:41] Seeker`: clever: upped the speed; works perfectly
[18:52:13] clever: :)
[18:52:37] clever: it was probly loosing packets, and then having to wait for another
[18:52:45] clever: causing lower then expected frame rates
[18:57:32] Beirdo_: wagnerrp: sorry, I went to bed :)
[18:58:53] Beirdo_: and now it's meeting time
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[19:08:54] wizbit: clever: is your room still cluttered with computers and general mess?
[19:16:35] Beirdo_: wizbit: what kinda geek would he be if the room weren't?
[19:16:54] wizbit: good point
[19:17:20] wizbit: still cannot get lirc to compile on 3.2.5
[19:17:20] wizbit: configure: error: *** it is not possible to install the specified driver
[19:17:25] wizbit: dam :(
[19:20:47] Beirdo_: dangit
[19:20:57] Beirdo_: new Van Halen album is ready
[19:21:04] wagnerrp: Beirdo_: all seems so far so good with the server pool
[19:21:07] Beirdo_: out first on LP. for $50
[19:21:19] wagnerrp: although theres little bits hear and there im missing
[19:21:29] Beirdo_: sweet :)
[19:21:44] Beirdo_: well, feature freeze is Sunday, right?
[19:21:52] wagnerrp: yeah
[19:21:55] Beirdo_: so put in a borked version on Sunday :)
[19:21:57] Beirdo_: then fix it :)
[19:22:24] wagnerrp: mainly just stuff dealing with the possibility of a BackendServerIP6, but no BackendServerIP
[19:22:54] Beirdo_: yeah
[19:23:19] Beirdo_: I can't wait until we can add DatabaseServerIP6 (or whatever)
[19:23:34] Beirdo_: but that requires mysql to be IPv6-friendly, which I htink is 5.5+
[19:23:35] wagnerrp: does mysql yet support ipv6?
[19:24:58] Beirdo_: I think it *might* in 5.5
[19:25:05] Beirdo_: not that I've seen before that though
[19:26:13] Beirdo_: of course, we could be dorks and switch to Postgres
[19:26:21] ** Beirdo_ runs away screaming at the thought **
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[19:26:46] Beirdo: stop putting tails on my nick, jerk.
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[20:07:57] wagnerrp: but but but sphery... we want to manipulate the database using languages woefully inadequate for the task
[20:08:40] sphery: yeah, yeah... I'm sure I have my work cut out for me, too
[20:08:57] sphery: convincing them over the next week that there's no benefit to changing SG in the DB
[20:09:30] wagnerrp: its cleaner
[20:09:52] wagnerrp: if mythtv doesnt search there first, then theres no reason to actually store it
[20:10:03] sphery: No, it's not. It's "I'm in control, so I think it looks cleaner." But, if you have a single SG "Default" and record /everything/ to that SG, then every single one of your recordings is stored in one of the dirs in that SG, and we have /no/ idea which, so we look in all of them.
[20:10:42] sphery: If you have 2 SG's, Default and Archived, and mythtv records everything to Default and then you move everything to Archived, all your recordings are in one of the dirs in the 2 SGs
[20:10:54] sphery: we have no idea which, so MythTV searches all of them
[20:11:32] sphery: the /only/ difference is that if you say it's in Default and move it elsewhere, it will first search a directory it's not in before searching the rest of the dirs
[20:11:52] sphery: meaning all you're doing is saving a dir list or 2...
[20:12:07] wagnerrp: so updating the storage group makes it ever so slightly faster
[20:12:28] sphery: and that's only assuming that mythtv would occasionally pick the right dir first if it's in a dir in the specified SG
[20:12:40] sphery: "ever so slightly"= far below the ability of a human to notice
[20:13:31] sphery: now, if you have 200 different Storage Groups, with non-overlapping dirs, then there might be some difference (but only because of the 200 different DB queries)
[20:13:39] sphery: but if anyone has more than a couple SGs, they'
[20:13:54] sphery: re making things a lot harder than they need to save a ms or 50
[20:14:10] sphery: changing SG in the DB is a placebo
[20:14:21] sphery: "it's better because I feel better about it"
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[20:19:20] wagnerrp: why will this frontend not respond to upnp...
[20:20:09] wagnerrp: the page is active
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[20:29:25] sphery: ok, I stand corrected... Whether you have 200 SGs or just 2, we use the same number of DB queries to get the list of dirs
[20:30:57] sphery: so, really, the only benefit is that when you specify the right SG, it will look in fewer dirs
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[20:31:35] sphery: but if you're really concerned about looking in a wrong dir, you should create a new Storage Group for each and every directory in your system--something that I would guess no one is crazy enough to do
[20:31:48] sphery: i.e. it just doesn't matter
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[21:23:10] sphery: wagnerrp: So, I've officially decided that "only scan directories on connected backends" qualifies as a "bug" fix for the purposes of post-Feb-12 commits :)
[21:26:44] sphery: (the mythvideo scan changes to use your new functionality)
[21:27:53] wagnerrp: if i could figure out why my frontend is not responding to UPNP, i would try to knock that one out tonight
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[21:43:31] wizbit: seems ok now
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[22:01:39] wagnerrp: github is down...
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[22:22:45] sphery: just down for pushing? I just pulled updates no problem
[22:22:57] sphery: (or maybe they just timed their downtime around my schedule?)
[22:23:27] wagnerrp: their site was unresponsive
[22:24:06] gizmobay: I last compiled in November 0.24.1 fixes. I always set prefix to user in config. I attempted to compile 0.24.2 and I set the prefix as usual. This time it installed the themes in /usr/local so when I started myth it pulled my from the 0.24.1 themes directory which caused issues.
[22:24:44] sphery: which themes?
[22:24:56] sphery: you're not actually installing stuff from myththemes repo, right?
[22:25:09] sphery: so you must mean Terra/MythCenter*/default/...?
[22:28:04] gizmobay: all the themes got installed to /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes yet when I started my it looked in /usr/share/mythtv/themes which had my old themes
[22:28:21] gizmobay: my – mythfrontend
[22:29:17] sphery: again, which themes
[22:29:55] gizmobay: the ones that come with git Terra, mythcenter, mythcenter-wide
[22:30:52] sphery: so you're saying that when you ran mythtv/configure with --prefix=/usr/local, it installed the themes into /usr/share/mythtv/themes?
[22:31:06] gizmobay: other way around
[22:31:32] gizmobay: --prefix=/usr went to /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes
[22:31:37] sphery: have you always specified /usr as prefix?
[22:31:42] gizmobay: yes
[22:31:45] sphery: or did you used to use /usr/local
[22:31:52] gizmobay: never
[22:31:56] sphery: no idea how that would happen
[22:33:07] sphery: you don't happen to have some or all of mythtv (binaries and or libraries) in /usr and some in /usr/local, do you?
[22:33:18] sphery: as if someone prefix was forgotten once?
[22:34:43] gizmobay: I probably have forgot before but I removed them
[22:36:02] sphery: well, confused prefix generally sounds like multiple different libs created with different prefixes
[22:36:26] sphery: if not that, I don't have any other guesses what might be causing issues
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[22:41:01] gizmobay: Okay it got installed to the /usr/local directory
[22:41:10] gizmobay: even though from the config.log
[22:41:13] gizmobay: ./configure --enable-vdpau --enable-lirc --prefix=/usr
[22:46:21] sphery: and in your logs, does it say: 2012-02–10 16:47:16.334 Using runtime prefix = /usr/local
[22:46:50] gizmobay: yes
[22:46:55] gizmobay: I don't know why
[22:49:05] gizmobay: hmm I have two frontend one in /usr/bin and one in /usr/local
[22:51:22] gizmobay: Thu Jan 26 12:58:20 MST 2012
[22:51:23] gizmobay: ./configure --enable-vdpau --enable-lirc --prefix=/usr
[22:51:35] gizmobay: from the last time I compiled
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[22:52:34] sphery: and the dates on the mythfrontend binaries?
[22:52:44] sphery: ls -l /usr/{,local/}bin/mythfrontend
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[22:53:41] gizmobay: 2012-01–26 12:15 /usr/bin/mythfrontend
[22:53:43] gizmobay: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2546408 2012-01–26
[22:54:48] sphery: I think you're missing some stuff there
[22:55:10] sphery: but that's saying that when you said, "--prefix=/usr" on the 26th, it put it in /usr
[22:55:17] gizmobay: I have two different versions in two different locations
[22:55:26] sphery: yes, and I wanted to see the info on both
[22:55:29] sphery: thus my command
[22:55:34] sphery: ls -l /usr/{,local/}bin/mythfrontend
[22:55:59] sphery: just copy/paste that in a terminal and it will show you both
[22:56:35] gizmobay: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2546408 2012-01–26 12:15 /usr/bin/mythfrontend
[22:56:46] gizmobay: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2546408 2012-01–26 09:40 /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend
[22:57:17] sphery: so looks like you compiled and installed a version 3 hours earlier without --prefix or with --prefix=/usr/local ?
[22:57:41] gizmobay: The reason the dates match is I tried to reinstall the old version when I got errors from the new version
[22:57:54] sphery: if you cat config.log, do you see a command line for 9:00ish?
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[23:00:40] sphery: but, anyway, you'll need to clean up the existing garbage and then you can recompile with correct prefix and install
[23:01:15] sphery: if you don't have a better way, you can do the manual hack: rm -r /usr/{,local/}{include/mythtv,lib/{libmyth*,mythtv}}
[23:01:26] sphery: (and clean up the wrong share dir, too)
[23:01:35] sphery: then compile/install
[23:05:49] gizmobay: okay thanks
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[23:08:56] tweek__: this is frustrating. Project-X doesn't seem to do a very good job at all of translating framecodes to bytecodes in video it seems
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[23:09:17] tweek__: so although the cuts in MythTV are dead-on, the cuts it makes can be up to a minute off
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[23:11:21] devinheitmueller: Hey all. If I wanted to do some quick sanity testing of some tuner drivers, what sort of shape are the mythtv binaries in that ship with Ubuntu 11.10?
[23:11:36] devinheitmueller: (assuming I'll do a fresh install and install the latest distro updates)
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[23:20:44] ertyu_: devinheitmueller, got time for a hvr-950q question?
[23:20:54] devinheitmueller: sure.
[23:21:03] devinheitmueller: No guarantees I have answers though.  :-)
[23:22:11] ertyu_: mine can get into an unrecoverable state, it seems to occur when it tries to tune a new channel and it appears to be due to a lack of memory
[23:22:25] devinheitmueller: any sort of error message?
[23:22:25] ertyu_: needs a power cycle before it will work again
[23:22:41] ertyu_: a whole lot of messages, but I've have to dig them up again
[23:22:57] devinheitmueller: Yeah, seeing what error you are getting would definitely be helpful.
[23:23:14] ertyu_: nod
[23:23:41] devinheitmueller: Is this with analog or digital tuning?
[23:23:50] ertyu_: atsc
[23:23:58] devinheitmueller: OTA or ClearQAM?
[23:24:05] ertyu_: ota
[23:24:09] devinheitmueller: hmmm...
[23:24:27] devinheitmueller: Indeed that's pretty strange. Without the error messages, I'm not sure what to suggest.
[23:24:50] devinheitmueller: The last batch of patches I did will help with tuning reliability, but none of those issues prevented the stick from working until power cycled.
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[23:25:50] ertyu_: can I tell if I have your latest patches?
[23:26:05] devinheitmueller: I haven't submitted them upstream yet, so I would doubt you have them.  :-)
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