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| [00:00:01] | skd5aner: | I suppose that is true... but the experience might not be that nice – Live TV in mythtv is "ok" at best |
| [00:00:08] | wasutton3_: | breaks even in about 8 months for 8 simultaneous live streams. |
| [00:00:11] | sphery: | the general idea behind MythTV and DVRs is to record anything you might possibly want to record and then never waste time watching whatever garbage they're currently broadcasting |
| [00:00:53] | wasutton3_: | i am aware of that. |
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| [00:01:03] | sphery: | (since after a few months of recording, you'll have more content than you can watch available as recordings--and it's stuff you thought might be interesting, so there's almost always something better in recordings than whatever's airing now) |
| [00:01:19] | skd5aner: | sphery and I aren't trying to say it can't be done... just not sure what you're experience with MythTV might be |
| [00:01:27] | skd5aner: | (and expectations) |
| [00:01:35] | sphery: | besides, with recordings, you can skip commercials, time-stretch playback (i.e. play at faster than real time with automatic pitch correction), ... |
| [00:01:41] | Seeker`: | heh, there aren't enough decent TV series in the UK to get that far ahead |
| [00:01:45] | sphery: | yeah, MythTV is not ideal for Live TV users |
| [00:01:57] | wasutton3_: | ok thats interesting to know |
| [00:03:02] | skd5aner: | Most MythTV users never use live tv – I'm one of the ones that does, but even still, it's only about 10% of the time |
| [00:03:04] | sphery: | as skd5aner said, it can be made to work, but chances are you'll have to bend your expectations to meet reality of Live TV in MythTV |
| [00:03:39] | skd5aner: | and the experience of the DVR functionality is very polished – from setting up schedules and rules, to playback and presentation |
| [00:03:53] | wasutton3_: | i have no doubt it is. |
| [00:03:54] | skd5aner: | the experience of Live TV is fairly clunky and varries depending on what cards you use, etc |
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| [00:04:04] | skd5aner: | I can put up with it – but some people just hate it |
| [00:04:06] | pyroprogramer: | the bad player strikes again >.< tiem to llok into net install again |
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| [00:04:52] | skd5aner: | also, sphery is a live tv hater... so ;) |
| [00:05:01] | wasutton3_: | skd5aner: hmmm its definitely something to look into. |
| [00:05:02] | skd5aner: | he thinks all TV watchers are going to hell |
| [00:05:12] | skd5aner: | s/all TV/all live TV |
| [00:05:22] | sphery: | there's a special level reserved for Live TV users |
| [00:05:37] | wasutton3_: | skd5aner: the bottom level, next to the boiler room |
| [00:05:43] | sphery: | hehe |
| [00:05:54] | skd5aner: | wasutton3_: either way – live tv and recorded TV can live in harmony... I'm just suggesting you weigh your design more towards the recording options vs the live one... |
| [00:06:45] | skd5aner: | in other words, don't worry about having a tuner per frontend available... because even that model breaks if you start setting up recording rules because then the schedules would conflict with tuner availability for Live TV in the worse case scenarios |
| [00:07:09] | skd5aner: | If I were you, I'd get 1 HDHR prime OR 1 Ceton, and see how that works |
| [00:07:17] | skd5aner: | first off – it's cheaper (1 cablecard rental)... |
| [00:07:18] | wasutton3_: | ok, ill definitely keep that in mind. That was the plan from the start |
| [00:07:28] | wasutton3_: | get one, see how it works, if we need more, we get more |
| [00:07:32] | skd5aner: | if, you then find it doesn't meet your needs, then buy more |
| [00:07:47] | skd5aner: | You might want more tuners if you have that many people using a single system anyway |
| [00:08:03] | skd5aner: | recording or live tv, simply because there might be a lot more content being recorded |
| [00:08:18] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [00:08:28] | wasutton3_: | skd5aner: that was the idea. have 2 tuners per person. |
| [00:08:49] | sphery: | so, HDHR Prime is basically $200 and Centon InfiniTV is about $300 so 3 primes = 9 tuners is about the same cost as 2 cetons = 8 tuners... |
| [00:09:10] | sphery: | the big difference, then, is that you'd have to rent the one extra cable card with the primes |
| [00:09:12] | skd5aner: | well, with more than a few people, its the "pool" effect... if I have 4 tuners available and 8 people, 4 might be more than enough to record the shows people want to watch on Thursday night... but it might not be as well |
| [00:09:12] | wasutton3_: | but the centon has the advantage of being internal |
| [00:09:36] | wagnerrp: | i thought the cetons were down to ~$250 in some places |
| [00:09:37] | sphery: | but if you have a "need" for 7 tuners, you may find that 2xHDHR Prime (6 tuners) is actually enough /because/ of the recorded content |
| [00:09:40] | sphery: | and blu rays and such |
| [00:09:49] | sphery: | Oleg_: Ot |
| [00:10:19] | wasutton3_: | yes, there is definitely a lot to think about. How simple would it be to just add another tuner after the fact? |
| [00:10:24] | sphery: | It's $289.99 on newegg and $299 on amazon |
| [00:10:27] | sphery: | didn't check other places |
| [00:10:29] | wagnerrp: | painfully so |
| [00:10:44] | wagnerrp: | just plug it in, add the card, and connect the video source |
| [00:10:52] | wasutton3_: | perfect. |
| [00:10:57] | wagnerrp: | the mythtv-setup part would take all of 20 seconds |
| [00:11:02] | skd5aner: | very easy to add |
| [00:11:12] | wasutton3_: | i know if you add another to windows media center it just flips out entirely |
| [00:11:23] | wasutton3_: | (or at least it did for me) |
| [00:11:47] | wagnerrp: | if form factor is an issue such that you dont want external boxes... personally, id rather have the 6-tuner rackmount and not have to use a full height case |
| [00:11:48] | skd5aner: | Well, the HDHR is probably easier... not sure about the ceton, but in theory, both should be fairly straight forward |
| [00:13:07] | wasutton3_: | wagnerrp: well if i'm already going to have a single full height case (house server), may as well use it for whatever i can. |
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| [00:13:23] | wagnerrp: | with official support in 0.25, and possible OCUR support in 0.26, there should be little difference between them in difficulty |
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| [00:13:39] | wagnerrp: | however you look at it, theyre all network attached tuner cards |
| [00:14:26] | wasutton3_: | wagnerrp: then that works quite well |
| [00:14:59] | wagnerrp: | the ceton and dcr-2650 may be pcie and usb attached, respectively |
| [00:15:11] | wagnerrp: | but you still access them through an internal network |
| [00:16:00] | wagnerrp: | holy crap! |
| [00:16:11] | wagnerrp: | someone just replied to a 23 month old thread |
| [00:16:40] | Seeker`: | must be a fairly skilled necromancer |
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| [00:30:46] | Seeker`: | bah, why isn't the stuff I want to watch being broadcast on sensible channels? |
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| [01:40:02] | markcerv: | anybody hanging out right now? |
| [01:40:15] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [01:42:03] | markcerv: | funny. I'm excited cuz I'm getting back into mythtv after a 3 year haitus. |
| [01:42:27] | markcerv: | Picked up my comcast cable card last night, and amazon delivered a HDHomeRun prime this afternoon. |
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| [01:50:20] | markcerv: | !seen markcerv |
| [01:50:20] | MythLogBot: | markcerv is here and has been idle for 7 minutes 53 seconds |
| [01:51:09] | sphery: | until, suddently, he wasn't idle! |
| [01:51:24] | wagnerrp: | !seen markcerv |
| [01:51:24] | MythLogBot: | markcerv is here and has been idle for 1 minute 4 seconds |
| [01:51:29] | wagnerrp: | nope, still idle |
| [01:51:35] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [01:51:41] | markcerv: | i'm the next american idol |
| [01:53:06] | markcerv: | But seriously, I'm building a new backend tonight. Better to go with MythDora or Mythbuntu? Or something else? |
| [01:53:19] | wagnerrp: | mythdora is for all intents and purposes, abandoned |
| [01:53:34] | wagnerrp: | its still back on fedora 12 |
| [01:53:39] | markcerv: | *that*, is very good to know. |
| [01:53:54] | wagnerrp: | what linux distro are you most comfortable with? |
| [01:54:43] | markcerv: | I do RHEL for work servers, and on the side I play around with ubuntu distros. |
| [01:55:22] | wagnerrp: | if youve used ubuntu before, mythbuntu is a good option |
| [01:55:40] | wagnerrp: | its advised to avoid RHEL/CentOS, due to their very long update cycles |
| [01:56:08] | wagnerrp: | people were having all sorts of problems with out of date kernels and external dependencies by the time CentOS 6 was released |
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| [01:57:37] | markcerv: | The last time I built boxes for mythtv at home, I was using the wilsonet guides. |
| [01:58:30] | markcerv: | I also had no HD at that time. |
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| [02:06:05] | likwid--_: | mark, i had a really simple install process with mythbuntu+hdhomerunprime+comcast |
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| [02:06:14] | likwid--_: | just make sure to use the ppa packages for 24.1+fixes |
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| [02:06:40] | wagnerrp: | and read the page on the wiki about how to configure the prime under 0.24 |
| [02:07:03] | wagnerrp: | there is some special maneuvering, since its still using the assumption that HDHomeRuns only have two tuners |
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| [02:08:24] | markcerv: | likwid — did you take any install notes, or work off of any howtos? Or did you just go from the mythbuntu install and follow the steps? |
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| [02:09:16] | likwid--_: | mythbuntu install straightfoward, i used the wiki page wagnerrp spoke of for teh tuners (which won't work correctly until you use the ppa packages) |
| [02:12:07] | markcerv: | thanks for the link – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythTV . . . omeRun_Prime |
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| [02:12:47] | markcerv: | thanks for the link: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythTV . . . omeRun_Prime |
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| [02:13:20] | markcerv: | (sorry for duplicate lines — using irc for first time in many many years) |
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| [03:38:26] | tgm4883: | Does anything specifically need to be done after upgrading to 0.25/trunk (similar to rescanning audio devices when moving to 0.24)? I've had some pretty trashy recordings after upgrading |
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| [03:39:57] | wagnerrp: | not that im aware of |
| [03:40:19] | wagnerrp: | the only potential issues i know of are the ipv6 bit, if you have some particular sysctl set |
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| [03:40:26] | wagnerrp: | bu i intend to have that fixed before freeze |
| [03:41:24] | wagnerrp: | specifically, if you have the wrong sysctl set, and any form of IPv6 address (including loopback and linklocal), the backend will only listen on ipv6 addresses |
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| [03:42:22] | tgm4883: | hmm ok, I'm getting quite a bit of (ProcessAudioPacket) – AFD: Unknown audio decoding error |
| [03:42:40] | tgm4883: | in the frontend logs, I haven't looked back through the backend logs yet |
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| [04:25:56] | petefoo_: | is there a way to make mythfrontend output to multiple Xserver at the same time? I see the --display option, but that appears to be for one only |
| [04:26:12] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [04:26:18] | petefoo_: | rats. |
| [04:26:42] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to rig something up with aiglx |
| [04:27:11] | wagnerrp: | but the xv, and vdpau outputs, as well as traditional opengl, all require direct access to hardware |
| [04:29:35] | petefoo_: | well, I suppose it is the same hardware. I guess what I really mean is one Xscreen, where it would render 2 windows |
| [04:46:50] | markcerv: | See excited! Just connected up a new hdhr3-cc, activated the comcast cable card, and was able to change channels using the HDHR app in windows! Meanwhile, I've got the MythBuntu 11 installer going on my new backend. Fingers crossed for a pain free night. |
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| [05:12:57] | petefoo_: | hey wagnerrp, I have my two windows happy. is there a more modern way of doing this: http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/Tech/xlax.html |
| [05:13:11] | petefoo_: | I just need input to both windows at the same time. |
| [05:13:53] | wagnerrp: | no clue |
| [05:14:18] | wagnerrp: | although thats kind of the backwards route of what you wanted to achieve before |
| [05:15:15] | petefoo_: | the goal is to have mythfrontend render 2 windows with exactly the same content. I'd just like them to be at different resolutions and different decoding |
| [05:15:39] | petefoo_: | basically VDPAU at 1920X1080 and then an Xv window at say 800x600 |
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| [05:29:56] | markcerv: | any hdhr prime users online right now? |
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| [06:35:24] | ** Beirdo drops a pin on the floor ** | |
| [06:35:29] | Beirdo: | yup, you can hear it |
| [06:36:50] | wagnerrp: | why, because the floor is no longer covered up with quilt? |
| [06:38:30] | wagnerrp: | * Beirdo is now known as the_mad_knitter |
| [06:40:32] | markcerv: | i just installed a hdhr prime. Tested it from windows. Now in MythBuntu, only 2 of the 3 tuners are available. Any ideas? |
| [06:40:58] | [R]: | oh man, teen mom tonight was so rivetting |
| [06:41:10] | Beirdo: | hehe, because it's so quiet in here |
| [06:41:21] | wagnerrp: | markcerv: what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [06:41:56] | markcerv: | brand new install of mythbuntu 11.10-desktop-i386 |
| [06:42:18] | wagnerrp: | so that would be... 0.24? |
| [06:43:23] | wagnerrp: | did you see the mention in the page you linked to |
| [06:43:37] | wagnerrp: | about special procedures that you needed to take to access the 3rd tuner on the prime in 0.24 |
| [06:43:44] | markcerv: | myapt-cache policy mythtv |
| [06:43:44] | markcerv: | mythtv: |
| [06:43:44] | markcerv: | Installed: 2:0.24.0+fixes.20110908.1de0431–0ubuntu1 |
| [06:43:44] | markcerv: | Candidate: 2:0.24.0+fixes.20110908.1de0431–0ubuntu1 |
| [06:43:44] | markcerv: | Version table: |
| [06:43:47] | markcerv: | *** 2:0.24.0+fixes.20110908.1de0431–0ubuntu1 0 |
| [06:43:49] | markcerv: | 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/multiverse i386 Packages |
| [06:43:52] | markcerv: | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| [06:44:12] | wagnerrp: | please dont do that |
| [06:44:17] | wagnerrp: | 2 lines maximum |
| [06:44:31] | markcerv: | d'oh. i'm remembering hearing about it earlier via irc...but forgot. :( lemme go check again. (sorry about bad paste) |
| [06:44:35] | wagnerrp: | also, unless youre actually using a pre-2005 system that is actually 32-bit |
| [06:44:42] | wagnerrp: | you really shouldnt be running 32-bit |
| [06:44:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:45:06] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [06:45:19] | Beirdo: | !trout [R] |
| [06:45:19] | ** MythLogBot slaps [R] with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [06:45:22] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:46:12] | [R]: | cuz ya know... she needs all 64bits... |
| [06:47:22] | wagnerrp: | more that i686 is a dead end architecture, and most development and testing is being done on amd64 |
| [06:47:50] | Beirdo: | and it's the sexy platform |
| [06:47:52] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:49:11] | markcerv: | my backend is a dell dimension 9200 from 2009, that was just gathering dust. I don't believe it's 64bit. |
| [06:49:37] | [R]: | "belive"... you don't even know what you are using? |
| [06:49:54] | wagnerrp: | i believe it is |
| [06:50:07] | markcerv: | wagner – I found the discussion page in the wiki where it discusses modifying the sql to find the 3rd tuner. |
| [06:50:39] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythTV . . . or_.24-fixes |
| [06:51:17] | wagnerrp: | for now, youre best off updating to 0.24.2 such that you can use the IP to access the device |
| [06:51:30] | wagnerrp: | and then define three separate tuners through the GUI |
| [06:51:53] | Beirdo: | markcerv: what's teh Dell service ID? You can look up what it shipped with |
| [06:52:33] | wagnerrp: | looks like some blend of core2duo |
| [06:53:50] | markcerv: | http://www.dell.com/support/troubleshooting/u . . . etag=JLKRHC1 |
| [06:54:01] | markcerv: | Processor, 6300, 1.86, 2M, Core Duo-conroe, Burn 2 |
| [06:54:33] | wagnerrp: | the E6300 was from the first batch of Core 2s |
| [06:54:36] | wagnerrp: | not a Core Duo |
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| [06:54:48] | wagnerrp: | as for 'Burn 2', no idea what they mean by that noe |
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| [06:54:52] | Beirdo: | it is a Core2 Duo |
| [06:55:03] | Beirdo: | http://ark.intel.com/products/27248/Intel-Cor . . . 066-MHz-FSB) |
| [06:55:23] | Beirdo: | and is 64-bit |
| [06:55:43] | wagnerrp: | Intel went all 64-bit on the desktop in 2005 or so |
| [06:55:49] | markcerv: | well slap me silly and call me daisy |
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| [06:56:02] | wagnerrp: | only the mobile Core Solo and Core Duos ran 32-bit up through ~2007 |
| [06:56:12] | wagnerrp: | and the netboot Atoms through maybe 2009 |
| [06:56:13] | Beirdo: | and some of the hated Atoms :) |
| [06:56:31] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure the Atoms are all 64-bit now, including the netbook ones |
| [06:56:32] | [R]: | i had a celeron... |
| [06:56:40] | Beirdo: | ark.intel.com is very handy for looking up processors :) |
| [06:56:42] | [R]: | hell, even my ion is 64bit |
| [06:56:52] | [R]: | a celeron that was 64bit* |
| [06:56:57] | wagnerrp: | the desktop Atoms were all 64-bit |
| [06:58:09] | Beirdo: | they were Molecules |
| [06:58:26] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:11:00] | markcerv: | when i visit mythbuntu.org/download, and choose 64bit, it only offers me mythbuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso. will that work for my computer? |
| [07:11:41] | [R]: | amd64 is x86_64 |
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| [07:12:01] | markcerv: | thank you R |
| [07:21:26] | markcerv: | I'm simultaneously setting up an ASRock Atom D525 ION32 as a front-end. Miracle of miracles...does anyone here have a similar box installed? |
| [07:21:56] | ** [R] cues wagnerrp ** | |
| [07:22:15] | ** wagnerrp has given up at this point ** | |
| [07:22:38] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:22:59] | wagnerrp: | oh! i forgot! |
| [07:23:38] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Choosing_Frontend_ . . . are_Playback |
| [07:24:27] | [R]: | why is xvmc even there |
| [07:24:46] | wagnerrp: | as a "if you found this page and want to use xvmc, think again" |
| [07:25:20] | wagnerrp: | note, xvmc is listed as an "Unusable API" |
| [07:25:33] | [R]: | so there is an article about the hard drive prices |
| [07:25:41] | [R]: | and then it says "oh, and also 800 people died" |
| [07:25:56] | wagnerrp: | only 800? surprisingly low |
| [07:26:21] | [R]: | 815 |
| [07:26:26] | [R]: | according to the wikipedia |
| [07:26:32] | wagnerrp: | you see any of those makeshift jetskis those taiwanians were tooling around on? |
| [07:26:57] | [R]: | no |
| [07:28:30] | wagnerrp: | looking... i found a whole bunch of them a while back |
| [07:28:54] | wagnerrp: | http://www.penn-olson.com/wp-content/uploads/ . . . novation.jpg |
| [07:29:00] | wagnerrp: | oh, right... thailand, not taiwan |
| [07:29:32] | [R]: | rofl |
| [07:29:50] | wagnerrp: | http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/oct2011/8/3 . . . 57932281.jpg |
| [07:30:01] | [R]: | that's nto a raft... |
| [07:30:03] | wagnerrp: | http://cdn.twentytwowords.com/wp-content/uplo . . . Hacks-09.jpg |
| [07:30:23] | [R]: | that doesn't seem safe... |
| [07:31:56] | wagnerrp: | http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2011/11/09/ . . . f89a6dc66ee3 |
| [07:32:03] | wagnerrp: | thats riding in style |
| [07:32:39] | [R]: | is that a couch? |
| [07:32:56] | wagnerrp: | its the only way to ride out a flood |
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| [07:37:11] | markcerv: | those are some sweet rides |
| [07:37:14] | wagnerrp: | and of course the downright absurd... http://cdn.twentytwowords.com/wp-content/uplo . . . -634x475.jpg |
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| [07:40:37] | markcerv: | that puts the bakfiet i've been craving to shame |
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| [09:15:58] | faichele_: | Hello! I have a question regarding IR remote support and channel changing. |
| [09:15:58] | faichele_: | The scenario: I've got a Hauppauge HD-PVR set up as recording device in MythTV; the actual input for the HD-PVR comes from a IPTV receiver/set top box 8connected via HDMI cable and a HD Fury 2 converter). |
| [09:15:58] | faichele_: | MythTV receives audio and video correctly, no problem so far. But here is where my problem starts: The IPTV receiver comes with its own remote control, and this is the only way I have to change channels. |
| [09:17:43] | faichele_: | My question now is: Without a direct connection between the IPTV receiver and the PC the HD-PVR is connected to, would there perhaps be a way to make my MythTV aware of a channel change? |
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| [09:50:34] | Beirdo: | yawn |
| [09:50:59] | Beirdo: | well, if this works, then mythfilldatabase is almost free of wget |
| [09:51:26] | Beirdo: | just have the 'update lineup' part to do, I think |
| [09:54:41] | Beirdo: | aw come ON |
| [09:54:57] | Beirdo: | who changed the flippin schema on me this time? |
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| [09:59:22] | Beirdo: | it's working... so far :) |
| [10:00:56] | Beirdo: | 2012-02–08 02:00:47.787454 D DownloadManager: downloadProgress: http://webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadir . . . /xtvdService to /tmp/mythtv_ddp_2xUg0x/mythtv_dd_cache_1_gjhurlbu_UTC_20120206000000_to_20120223 000000 is at 47756366 of -1 bytes downloaded |
| [10:01:05] | Beirdo: | muhahah |
| [10:01:47] | Beirdo: | although... |
| [10:01:48] | Beirdo: | 2012-02–08 02:00:59.407666 D downloadFinished(26762464): COMPLETE: http://webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadir . . . /xtvdService |
| [10:01:52] | Beirdo: | 2012-02–08 02:00:59.684474 E DataDirect: Data is empty |
| [10:01:56] | Beirdo: | I think I still have a bug :) |
| [10:03:43] | Beirdo: | but crap, the delete worked |
| [10:03:45] | Beirdo: | hhehe |
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| [10:40:23] | Beirdo: | whoah, I think it might work |
| [10:41:46] | Beirdo: | or at least getting there |
| [10:41:54] | Beirdo: | yeah, it did |
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| [11:16:42] | k-man: | Beirdo: why does mythfilldatabase need wget? |
| [11:17:08] | k-man: | Beirdo: or should i say why _did_...? |
| [11:17:31] | clever: | k-man: last time i looked, it was using wget to do all the program listings download, nobody had writen the http code into myth |
| [11:17:44] | clever: | seems like a simple task with QHttp |
| [11:18:07] | k-man: | clever: to download it from where? is this a US thing? |
| [11:18:34] | k-man: | i thought mythfilldatabase just called tv_grab_XX? |
| [11:18:35] | clever: | k-man: i think its only schedules direct, i think xmltv goes thru a second command |
| [11:18:50] | k-man: | ah right, i see – makes sense now thanks clever |
| [11:18:52] | clever: | it doesnt use tv_grab for schedules direct |
| [11:24:14] | Seeker`: | any ideawhy the new titles, premiers search doesnt work for the RT grabber data? |
| [11:33:19] | stuartm: | probably because they are no longer including that info in the data |
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| [11:41:56] | Seeker`: | stuartm: just looked at homeland:pilot in the listings |
| [11:43:17] | Seeker`: | looks like originalairdate only contains thw year |
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| [11:56:14] | Seeker`: | looks like there isnt any star or certificate data either |
| [12:09:35] | stuartm: | no, that was definitely left out when RadioTimes was sold and the RT feed outsourced |
| [12:12:09] | Seeker`: | yeah, just found a forum postexaining it |
| [12:12:51] | Seeker`: | might knock together an 'episode 1 that was first broadcast this year" query |
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| [12:13:40] | Guest4428: | hii |
| [12:14:30] | Seeker`: | hi |
| [12:14:53] | Guest4428: | I was wondering if MythTV could be used with a simple lcd tv having 3 cables for connecting to DVD player. ? |
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| [13:04:53] | ubuntuaddicted: | morning |
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| [14:47:47] | stuartm: | sphery: the backup/restore script works I'm glad to say, used it for the first time after having wiped my DB to test the video scan prompt |
| [14:55:57] | Seeker`: | stuartm: a cross your fingers, hold your breath and pray moment? |
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| [14:58:55] | stuartm: | nah, I was almost certain it would work – I knew the backup was fine in any event so even if the restore had failed I could have manually restored |
| [15:02:33] | smoothifier: | hey guys, OT here. I finally got my new system to POST. it turned out that the new power supply i ordered was toast. the guessing game is over! :P |
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| [16:27:55] | devinheitmueller: | Channel changing on the PVR-350 is broken? Seriously? |
| [16:30:05] | stuartm: | huh? |
| [16:30:31] | ** devinheitmueller is looking at Simon Kenyon's email on mythtv-dev from Jan 30. ** | |
| [16:32:28] | stuartm: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9830 |
| [16:33:15] | devinheitmueller: | Yup, that's it. |
| [16:34:59] | stuartm: | looks like Daniel is investigating, part of the problem is that most devs don't use Live TV and of those that do, they all moved away from analogue tuners a lot time ago |
| [16:38:25] | stuartm: | there are so many timing related bugs in LiveTV that it's very depressing, and the error handling is even worse so a small issue quickly becomes something worse |
| [16:43:41] | skd5aner: | stuartm: kind of like the "bug squashing" weeks where only people can fix bugs, perhaps we should have a "LiveTV" week were only people can work on live tv :D |
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| [16:50:21] | devinheitmueller: | painful |
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| [17:22:46] | CyberKnet: | Is there an "auto-play-next" feature in Myth? |
| [17:23:12] | wagnerrp: | you can make a playlist, but there is no auto-play |
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| [17:23:36] | CyberKnet: | Should have clarified – I meant for recorded tv |
| [17:23:39] | CyberKnet: | sorry about that. |
| [17:24:27] | wagnerrp: | you can make a playlist, but there is no auto-play |
| [17:24:33] | CyberKnet: | oh, neat. |
| [17:24:49] | CyberKnet: | I'll have to look at recorded playlists, I don't think I've ever heard of that feature. |
| [17:26:52] | CyberKnet: | Huh. I'll try that out when I get home and see how it goes. |
| [17:27:04] | CyberKnet: | Many thanks wagnerrp. |
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| [17:30:51] | ** CyberKnet checks out mythweb to make a patch ** | |
| [17:31:10] | wagnerrp: | a patch to add playlist editing in mythweb? |
| [17:31:27] | CyberKnet: | oh no. |
| [17:31:48] | CyberKnet: | a patch to mythvideo to add a check that I got snagged by recently when I upgraded. |
| [17:32:10] | CyberKnet: | Needs an additional symlink check in one location that was done in another location IIRC |
| [17:32:17] | wagnerrp: | better off ignoring any patches to video library access in mythweb |
| [17:32:26] | CyberKnet: | is it going away? |
| [17:32:30] | wagnerrp: | the whole thing needs a good rewrite |
| [17:32:48] | CyberKnet: | I've never used it honestly... I clicked into it after upgrading for no reason and got hit by that bug. |
| [17:32:55] | wagnerrp: | ideally, implemented using the services api |
| [17:33:15] | CyberKnet: | so I patched my local install, but since it was from mythbuntu and I had made other changes I didn't want to generate a patch from my live tree. |
| [17:33:19] | wagnerrp: | with the underlying backend libraries modified to allow view generation by the services api |
| [17:33:33] | CyberKnet: | Sounds like a pretty complete plan. |
| [17:33:42] | CyberKnet: | well, not really... but it sounds like a good plan. |
| [17:33:50] | CyberKnet: | too bad my php is only passing. |
| [17:34:03] | wagnerrp: | know c++? |
| [17:34:32] | CyberKnet: | Enough to sometimes read C++ code, but not enough to originate things. |
| [17:35:12] | CyberKnet: | Now if you need an ASP.NET implementation, let me know... |
| [17:35:15] | CyberKnet: | hah |
| [17:36:50] | sphery: | stuartm: hehe, glad the script worked... I guess I'm one of the few who's comfortable (maybe too comfortable) with backup/restore, since I do it so often on my dev box. On the bright side, it's allowed me to test the scripts a lot. :) |
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| [17:39:43] | ** J-e-f-f-A holds a crucifix towards CyberKnet for mentioning .net in here! ;-) ** | |
| [17:39:50] | wagnerrp: | so yet another magical hard drive technology, thats going to revolutionize storage |
| [17:40:02] | wagnerrp: | magneto-optical storage... with no write magnets |
| [17:40:21] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: To each their own, I suppose. |
| [17:40:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: It's just that it's M$... blah. |
| [17:41:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: ya got a link? |
| [17:41:47] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: got a subscription to the Nature journal? |
| [17:41:53] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: I'm not attempting to dissuade you from your opinion. |
| [17:41:56] | wagnerrp: | you know... i wonder if campus has a subscription |
| [17:42:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: nope... |
| [17:46:31] | Beirdo: | k-man: because it does (did) to pull DataDirect data |
| [17:46:48] | Beirdo: | I'm working it into MythDownloadManager |
| [17:48:46] | CyberKnet: | well, whatever the problem was, I guess I since upgraded mythweb again, my patch is gone, and the thing is still working, so ... all's well that ends well. |
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| [17:50:38] | CyberKnet: | Except ... it shows no recordings. weird. Oh well. |
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| [17:55:25] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: anyway, theyre basically using islands of ferrimagnetic compound, several orders smaller than our current magnetic domains on hard drives |
| [17:55:54] | wagnerrp: | and using laser heating to directly switch the data |
| [17:56:28] | wagnerrp: | rather than traditional magneto-optical, where the laser heats the domain, allowing a weaker magnet to alter that without disrupting other nearby domains |
| [17:56:50] | wagnerrp: | the problem is, they dont directly control the bit, they just flip the bit |
| [17:56:58] | wagnerrp: | meaning they need to know the previous state of the bit |
| [17:57:27] | wagnerrp: | and they dont know of anything to use to read magnetic domains so small, at such high speed |
| [17:57:53] | wagnerrp: | and all the real meat of the discovery is hidden behind Nature's paywall |
| [17:57:56] | CyberKnet: | Write-Only storage. |
| [17:58:01] | CyberKnet: | brilliant! |
| [17:58:06] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: at the moment, effectively yes |
| [17:58:46] | CyberKnet: | Perfect for that stuff you want to watch "later" :) |
| [17:59:33] | ** Captain_Murdoch invents a $400 WORN (Write Once, Read Never) device that has a driver that just links to /dev/null. ** | |
| [18:00:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | and it's silent too. |
| [18:00:12] | CyberKnet: | Can I buy the $150 upgrade that includes a random entropy feeder? |
| [18:00:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | yes, but that requires the $250 encryption option |
| [18:00:34] | CyberKnet: | argh. |
| [18:00:41] | CyberKnet: | that blows my budget |
| [18:01:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | wait till end of Q1, we'll have an end of quarter sale. |
| [18:01:28] | Captain_Murdoch: | double the capacity for free |
| [18:02:38] | ** CyberKnet tries to remember which SCM this other OSS project uses... ** | |
| [18:02:46] | CyberKnet: | git here, svn there, mercurial this other... |
| [18:02:55] | CyberKnet: | so many scm. |
| [18:03:13] | CyberKnet: | hmmm... supposedly it. |
| [18:03:14] | CyberKnet: | git |
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| [18:05:47] | wagnerrp: | didnt we drop mythnotify a couple releases back? |
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| [18:09:28] | CyberKnet: | that wasn't mythosd? |
| [18:10:25] | wagnerrp: | there were some internal and external bits |
| [18:10:40] | wagnerrp: | but they all hit the same port in mythfrontend |
| [18:10:47] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what the internal bits were actually called |
| [18:10:53] | wagnerrp: | that may have been mythtvosd |
| [18:11:07] | wagnerrp: | (which would make sense since it would only work through the OSD, meaning during playback) |
| [18:11:32] | wagnerrp: | i thought mythnotify/mythtvosd was removed as part of mark's OSD rewrite for 0.24 |
| [18:11:52] | CyberKnet: | hmmm... I don't know. |
| [18:12:10] | CyberKnet: | I honestly thought that mythnotify was the mythtvosd replacement, but I'm so far out of the loop that it's not even funny. |
| [18:12:17] | wagnerrp: | seems that was removed for 0.24 |
| [18:15:52] | skd5aner: | it was removed prior to 0.24 but re-writen in 0.25 as MythMessage |
| [18:15:57] | CyberKnet: | Aha |
| [18:16:08] | CyberKnet: | That's what I'm waiting for. |
| [18:16:13] | wagnerrp: | release notes to the rescue |
| [18:16:15] | skd5aner: | all of which, can be found in the release notes |
| [18:16:31] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [18:18:37] | skd5aner: | !url – list |
| [18:18:37] | MythLogBot: | analoghw currentrelease deleteme(disabled) devrelease digitalhw down faq fixesrelease google linuxtv lmgtfy log logs overscan pastebin recordingcable theming tuners upnp vdpau wiki |
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| [18:18:49] | skd5aner: | I need to memorize those |
| [18:20:05] | CyberKnet: | does !url google present the URL I think it would? If so ... heh. |
| [18:20:16] | skd5aner: | !url google |
| [18:20:16] | MythLogBot: | google: http://www.google.com/ |
| [18:20:19] | CyberKnet: | hah |
| [18:20:25] | skd5aner: | !url google test |
| [18:20:26] | MythLogBot: | google: http://www.google.com/ |
| [18:20:36] | wagnerrp: | !url lmgtfy pr0n |
| [18:20:36] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=pr0n |
| [18:20:37] | skd5aner: | !url lmgtfy test |
| [18:20:37] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=test |
| [18:20:48] | CyberKnet: | surprised wagnerrp didn't slap that on me with the auto-playback question ... I sure deserved it. |
| [18:20:51] | CyberKnet: | :) |
| [18:22:37] | skd5aner: | !url lmgtfy lmgtfy |
| [18:22:37] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=lmgtfy |
| [18:22:45] | skd5aner: | I wonder if that results in an infinite loop |
| [18:24:30] | CyberKnet: | I love screen, but I sure do hate trying to google for help with it's name being "screen" |
| [18:25:00] | skd5aner: | that's what I hate about the enterprise email app "Good" |
| [18:25:15] | skd5aner: | how the hell am I supposed to search google for info on a product simply named "good" |
| [18:25:35] | CyberKnet: | hah. |
| [18:25:42] | CyberKnet: | Yes, same problem. |
| [18:26:05] | CyberKnet: | How am I to search for why I keep seeing the blasted license page and how to skip it when it's called "screen" |
| [18:26:21] | skd5aner: | !seen justinh |
| [18:26:21] | MythLogBot: | justinh is here and has been idle for 16 hours 8 minutes 21 seconds |
| [18:26:22] | CyberKnet: | linux screen prevent license ... oh yes. tons of relevant results. |
| [18:26:45] | wagnerrp: | license page? |
| [18:27:07] | CyberKnet: | the disclaimer page |
| [18:27:22] | wagnerrp: | i have to admit, i dont actually have screen installed |
| [18:27:30] | wagnerrp: | i never use it |
| [18:27:41] | CyberKnet: | I do like it for long-running ops over ssh |
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| [18:27:52] | wagnerrp: | i use xterms for that |
| [18:28:06] | CyberKnet: | I don't ssh forward. |
| [18:28:30] | wagnerrp: | its the only way to fly |
| [18:28:32] | CyberKnet: | on account of ... I run windows at work and running an x server is possible, but not usually fun. |
| [18:28:50] | wagnerrp: | im using xchat on a windows x server right now |
| [18:29:10] | CyberKnet: | which x server do you use? |
| [18:29:22] | CyberKnet: | Xming? |
| [18:29:33] | wagnerrp: | sort of |
| [18:30:08] | wagnerrp: | xchat is actually tied into an Xorg xvfb |
| [18:30:39] | wagnerrp: | which gets dynamically redirected to whatever current server im using. on this system, its xming |
| [18:31:02] | CyberKnet: | Could use WeirdX I suppose... as long as you're adding latency from X Forwarding over SsH, why not run a pure java X server on windows. |
| [18:31:29] | wagnerrp: | java x server? |
| [18:31:57] | wagnerrp: | why would one do such a thing when you can just use Xorg compiled for windows (xming) |
| [18:31:59] | CyberKnet: | www.jcraft.com/weirdx |
| [18:32:19] | CyberKnet: | I guess some people REALLY like java. |
| [18:32:50] | wagnerrp: | in any case, im not using ssh |
| [18:33:02] | CyberKnet: | how very nifty. |
| [18:33:13] | wagnerrp: | the port's open, the authentication keys are shared, and im pumping straight into xming over gigabit |
| [18:33:30] | CyberKnet: | interesting. |
| [18:33:32] | wagnerrp: | see 'xpra' |
| [18:34:09] | CyberKnet: | oh, I see. |
| [18:34:22] | CyberKnet: | I was thinking it wouldn't be rootless for some reason. |
| [18:34:25] | CyberKnet: | but it is. |
| [18:34:32] | wagnerrp: | it works either way |
| [18:34:42] | CyberKnet: | I would like rootless better |
| [18:34:44] | wagnerrp: | if it wasnt rootless, i may as well just use VNC |
| [18:34:49] | CyberKnet: | exactly. |
| [18:35:03] | wagnerrp: | and that annoying root terminal is why i dont use screen either |
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| [18:35:15] | CyberKnet: | a fair argument. |
| [18:35:45] | wagnerrp: | why have to fiddle around with keyboard arguments when i have this nice mouse |
| [18:35:48] | CyberKnet: | so all the compositing happens on the Xvfb server then... ? |
| [18:36:21] | wagnerrp: | the applications all go to a persistent xvfb |
| [18:36:33] | wagnerrp: | which can then be attached or detached to another x-server at will |
| [18:36:56] | wagnerrp: | all applications tied to that xvfb get sent as one unit |
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| [18:37:10] | CyberKnet: | but like VNC it's just sending compressed images to the destination? |
| [18:37:12] | wagnerrp: | so if you want multiple independent applications, you need multiple independent xvfbs |
| [18:37:22] | wagnerrp: | no, its sending raw X |
| [18:37:30] | CyberKnet: | hmm... I guess I misread the wikipedia entry. |
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| [18:37:47] | CyberKnet: | or the wikipedia entry is wrong. |
| [18:37:51] | CyberKnet: | or badly worded. |
| [18:37:54] | wagnerrp: | there is no compositing done in the xvfb, its merely acting as a proxy |
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| [18:38:13] | CyberKnet: | "Xpra works by connecting to an Xvfb server as a compositing window manager. However, instead of combining the window images to present on the screen, it takes the window images and stuffs them into a network connection to the xpra client, which then displays them onto the remote screen" |
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| [18:38:27] | CyberKnet: | must be a bad wikipedia article. who'd have thought it... |
| [18:38:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: cool... [sorry, @ work and got pulled away...] |
| [18:39:15] | RagingMind: | CyberKnet, the use of the word "stuffs" might have been a clue ;) |
| [18:39:32] | CyberKnet: | RagingMind: but it's so technical... |
| [18:39:39] | wagnerrp: | hmm... someone got pissed off by the lack of updates and forked it |
| [18:40:07] | wagnerrp: | ill have to look into that |
| [18:40:58] | wagnerrp: | the 'update storms' when using it over SSH are actually worse than using SSH forwarding directly |
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| [19:00:16] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: im going to run this on frontend, do the options look ok: |
| [19:00:17] | wizbit: | bonnie++ -d /tmp -s 8g -m tv-1 -f -b -u mythtv |
| [19:00:46] | wagnerrp: | no idea, ive only ever used the defaults |
| [19:00:54] | wizbit: | what are the defaults? |
| [19:01:00] | wagnerrp: | and ive only ever done it for curiosity, not because i was actually going to act upon those values |
| [19:01:08] | wizbit: | ok |
| [19:01:58] | wizbit: | http://www.googlux.com/bonnie.html |
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| [19:10:33] | CyberKnet: | Man. I really do hate CableLabs. |
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| [19:17:31] | wizbit: | oh nice |
| [19:17:31] | wizbit: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Optimizing_Performance |
| [19:17:39] | ** wizbit bookmarks ** | |
| [19:19:39] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: this is the output from bonnie++ on my frontend |
| [19:19:40] | wizbit: | http://paste.lugons.org/raw/MrOvfWy4wqzwV14VLDYZ/ |
| [19:19:46] | ** wizbit trys to get head around it ** | |
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| [19:21:05] | wagnerrp: | if i had to guess, i would say theres a lot of caching going on there |
| [19:21:24] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe those to be real numbers on the physical platter |
| [19:21:58] | wizbit: | that was done on the diskless frontend |
| [19:21:59] | wizbit: | using nfs |
| [19:22:00] | wagnerrp: | your random IO and file creation is too high |
| [19:22:07] | wagnerrp: | i realize that |
| [19:22:16] | wizbit: | nfs is using async |
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| [19:48:14] | esperegu: | mythtv complains about the tv schema version. How can I find the latest version that uses 1256 ? |
| [19:49:18] | esperegu: | sorry. 1254 |
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| [19:50:28] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 |
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| [19:52:34] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: I am trying to figure out what is the last committed version in svn that uses still 1254 |
| [19:52:46] | esperegu: | 0.23 tar gave a compile error |
| [19:53:11] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: is there a list of that somewhere? |
| [19:53:16] | wagnerrp: | its irrelevant |
| [19:53:28] | wagnerrp: | who cares what commit is the last one to 0.23? |
| [19:54:33] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: stable 0.23 is the last one still using 1254? |
| [19:54:49] | esperegu: | ithink 0.23.1 gave me that error. |
| [19:54:56] | esperegu: | lemme try |
| [19:55:25] | wagnerrp: | if you're trying to compile, then youre operating off the repository |
| [19:55:34] | RagingMind: | esperegu, what are you actually trying to do? what is preventing you from upgrading to the newest versions? |
| [19:55:41] | wagnerrp: | if youre operating off the repository, then you switch to the branch you wish to use |
| [19:55:45] | wagnerrp: | and thats it |
| [19:55:56] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt matter what revision its on |
| [19:56:12] | esperegu: | I'm using linuxmce which has his own version and I would like to connect to that on my desktop pc |
| [19:56:28] | esperegu: | it is based on 10.10 ubuntu version |
| [19:56:40] | esperegu: | and my desktop has 11.10 |
| [19:57:49] | wagnerrp: | in any case, you shouldnt be touching subversion |
| [19:58:02] | wagnerrp: | and to be honest, i didn't even realize the subversion servers were still running |
| [19:58:16] | RagingMind: | esperegu, the great thing about debian/ubuntu... http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/mythtv |
| [19:59:04] | RagingMind: | there's a link on the side with the orig source and any patches that were put into the packages, but that's still not a guarantee that it'll compile on 11.10 |
| [20:02:25] | esperegu: | by the way is there a way to only compile a frontend? I tried to put --disable-backend but it still shows when I do configure |
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| [20:07:14] | wagnerrp: | no, and theres really not much point to doing so anyway |
| [20:07:33] | wagnerrp: | the backend amounts to a couple MB of storage, and a couple percent of the total compile time |
| [20:08:32] | wagnerrp: | there used to be an option |
| [20:08:38] | wagnerrp: | but it was disabled for 0.22, or maybe 0.21 |
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| [20:12:01] | bix: | is there something i can run from the command line to see if mythbackend is using a tuner? |
| [20:12:05] | bix: | or recording... |
| [20:12:29] | wagnerrp: | theres some external mythtv-status |
| [20:12:39] | wagnerrp: | or you can hit the status page through mythweb |
| [20:15:02] | bix: | mythtv-status works. as always, thanks! |
| [20:17:40] | ** skd5aner loves when he calls customer support and can tell they run asterisk pbx by the default hold music that it ships with ** | |
| [20:20:25] | esperegu: | 0.23 doesn't compile due to an error with qt4. it's solved already, that's why I tried to find the latest repository version with scheme 1254 |
| [20:20:27] | esperegu: | hmpf |
| [20:20:29] | esperegu: | bummer |
| [20:21:58] | stuartm: | esperegu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [20:22:39] | stuartm: | oh, right, didn't read the context regarding linuxmce |
| [20:22:49] | CyberKnet: | oooooooh I totally forgot to stir my tea. ouch :| |
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| [20:29:51] | markcerv: | !seen magnerp |
| [20:29:52] | MythLogBot: | magnerp has not been seen here |
| [20:29:59] | markcerv: | !seen wagnerp |
| [20:30:00] | MythLogBot: | wagnerp has not been seen here |
| [20:31:31] | stuartm: | markcerv: could you be looking for wagnerrp ? |
| [20:32:04] | wagnerrp: | !seen wagnerrp |
| [20:32:04] | MythLogBot: | wagnerrp is here and has been idle for 19 minutes 25 seconds |
| [20:32:11] | wagnerrp: | guess im not actually here |
| [20:32:51] | stuartm: | you were idle for 19 minutes, I saw you send "!seen wagnerrp" less than a second earlier! |
| [20:32:55] | stuartm: | weren't |
| [20:34:28] | markcerv: | wagnerrp – tx for the advice last night. Got my dell fe/be running last night, and also my ASRock Atom ION3D. Both running 64bit. ;) |
| [20:34:52] | markcerv: | and got all 3 tuners going on the HDHR Prime. |
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| [20:49:09] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: these are the results directly on my server |
| [20:49:18] | wizbit: | the server disk is a raid-1 mirror, mdadm |
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| [21:29:10] | justinh: | whee |
| [21:29:30] | justinh: | think that's the longest I've ever been away from IRC.. involuntarily |
| [21:29:47] | justinh: | although with screen you're never really away |
| [21:31:39] | justinh: | skd5aner: you rang? |
| [21:31:51] | skd5aner: | no, I was just stalking |
| [21:32:02] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:32:33] | justinh: | I dunno where it got 16 hours idle from – I'd not typed anything in channel for a lot longer than that |
| [21:32:34] | skd5aner: | hadn't really seen you much lately, but that may just be because I've been busier than usual most of the time you're awake |
| [21:32:52] | justinh: | I've been mad busy at work – and effectively banned from ssh'ing in |
| [21:33:10] | justinh: | then at night the last thing I usually want to do is type :-) |
| [21:33:33] | skd5aner: | yea, i hear ya |
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| [21:34:21] | justinh: | so anyway, dunno why this has never occured to me before, but mythweb's guide grid could really use a simple 'record' button for each item IMHO. I'm a gonna have a try make it so |
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| [21:35:26] | skd5aner: | yea, that'd be cool – I use the record button in the EPG in mfe all the time rather than creating a full rule for 1 off recordings |
| [21:35:30] | Seeker`: | testing |
| [21:35:32] | justinh: | then I'll likely find out the hard way why they don't already have one |
| [21:35:50] | Seeker`: | ah, thats better. Its sending messages to the correct server now |
| [21:35:53] | Seeker`: | justinh: welcome back :) |
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| [21:36:07] | wizbit: | justinh: good idea |
| [21:36:15] | wizbit: | like the program guide |
| [21:36:56] | skd5aner: | you know – I've always wanted to replcate the way mythweb's upcomming recordings screen works back to the frontend... because the upcoming recordings screen in the frontend is basically worthless |
| [21:37:12] | skd5aner: | "important only" still shows a ton of disabled recordings |
| [21:37:38] | skd5aner: | the mythweb upcoming recording screen is great, I can filter it to litterally show me what will record and conflicts |
| [21:37:43] | skd5aner: | wish I could easily do that in mfe |
| [21:37:49] | justinh: | IIRC you wouldn't be the only person planning to take a pop at it |
| [21:38:11] | skd5aner: | maybe I'll take a look after 0.25 |
| [21:38:32] | wizbit: | i wish mythmusic was as simple as mocp |
| [21:38:41] | wizbit: | remote controlled mocp |
| [21:38:49] | justinh: | eep. another thought occured to me.. maybe it'd be handy to be able to view upcoming by category too |
| [21:39:09] | justinh: | so you could style it like the PBB, show conflicts as their own group maybe |
| [21:43:43] | justinh: | hmm. the recording schedule page in mythweb is a form. might be tricky having bunches of forms embedded in the guidegrid |
| [21:44:14] | justinh: | maybe not so much tricky.. just awful lol |
| [21:45:58] | justinh: | yet again what started as a nice 'oo why not' kind of idea makes me recoil in 'ugh.. code' mode |
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| [21:47:34] | wagnerrp: | god i hate prius drivers |
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| [21:47:49] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i dont think we could be friends if you had shipped that thing with you when you moved |
| [21:47:51] | skd5aner: | I hate prius firmware |
| [21:47:53] | justinh: | pious? |
| [21:48:40] | justinh: | gah. if only I knew a bit more about php |
| [21:48:50] | wagnerrp: | im sitting at a light behind a prius, light turns green, prius driver takes off like your average 95yr old prius driver |
| [21:49:08] | wagnerrp: | so past the intersection, i get in the left lane and speed up to 45 |
| [21:49:26] | justinh: | but they're saving the planet! |
| [21:49:46] | justinh: | come the rapture they'll be floated off to heaven & YOU won't ;-) |
| [21:49:58] | wagnerrp: | now the road is only a 35mph speed limit, but back before they widened the lanes, and put in two more lanes, and straightened the lanes, and put in a divider, and back before the local constabulary was trying to supplement their income, the speed limit was 45 |
| [21:50:05] | wagnerrp: | so i want to go 45 |
| [21:50:18] | wagnerrp: | the prius doesnt want me to pass him, so he speeds up to 50 |
| [21:50:32] | wagnerrp: | since im no longer passing, and have no right to be in the left lane, i get back behind him |
| [21:50:39] | skd5aner: | I... HATE... THAT |
| [21:50:57] | wagnerrp: | next redlight, there's two straight lanes, so i get in the left one next to the prius |
| [21:51:09] | skd5aner: | people that drive slow until you want to pass, then they suddenly act like they wanted to go 10MPH faster too! |
| [21:51:26] | justinh: | middle lane hogs. they really get me |
| [21:51:33] | wagnerrp: | hes watching the other light, and the fu**er stomps that gas for everything that little car is worth, and is halfway through the intersection before the light even turns green |
| [21:52:26] | skd5aner: | hahaha – he pulled your number |
| [21:52:36] | wagnerrp: | you want to drive aggressively, i dont care, you want to drive faster than me and pass me, i dont care about that either |
| [21:52:47] | skd5aner: | was he farting a lot too? |
| [21:53:15] | wagnerrp: | i just _hate_ it when people have such a weak ego, and drive way outside their element, just because they cant stand someone getting in front of them |
| [21:53:34] | justinh: | probably most dangerous too |
| [21:53:53] | wagnerrp: | of course it's dangerous |
| [21:54:05] | wagnerrp: | they dont typically drive like that, so they are inexperienced driving like that |
| [21:54:16] | wagnerrp: | i.e. outside their element |
| [21:54:39] | skd5aner: | http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104282/ . . . ancisco-town |
| [21:55:09] | wagnerrp: | is that the one where they capture their own farts in jars, because it smells so sweet? |
| [21:55:23] | ** justinh shakes his fist... damn you internet boundaries! ** | |
| [21:56:28] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea |
| [21:56:33] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM9jhGiIAFM |
| [21:56:42] | wagnerrp: | justinh: better? |
| [21:56:48] | stuartm: | skd5aner: fwiw, here's what we see in the UK – http://www.southparkstudios.com/layout/common . . . sages/gb.jpg |
| [21:56:56] | skd5aner: | they're so smug, that they smell their own farts and people who don't just aren't cool enough |
| [21:57:01] | justinh: | they show SP on a channel over here called Viva, but the episode descriptions are all so generic & they show the same episodes over & over |
| [21:57:14] | skd5aner: | stuartm: lol |
| [21:57:18] | stuartm: | works for other locales too, which is cool – http://www.southparkstudios.com/layout/common . . . sages/de.jpg |
| [21:57:23] | skd5aner: | that sucks, but at least they're funny about it |
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| [21:57:36] | Widget: | evening |
| [21:57:39] | stuartm: | http://www.southparkstudios.com/layout/common . . . sages/fr.jpg |
| [21:57:41] | skd5aner: | http://www.southparkstudios.com/layout/common . . . sages/se.jpg |
| [21:57:42] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [21:58:37] | stuartm: | http://www.southparkstudios.com/layout/common . . . sages/au.jpg |
| [21:58:45] | wagnerrp: | well at least theyre actively working to set up similar sites in other countries |
| [21:58:48] | Widget: | opinion from UKers on here; just moved into a house with a duff TV antenna, do you think fix it for freeview or fit dish for freesat? |
| [21:58:55] | stuartm: | well, you can work out other for yourselves, I'll stop spamming the links :) |
| [21:59:06] | justinh: | ROFL |
| [21:59:08] | Widget: | i have DVB-S1 and DVB-T1 cards already, but I only want to use one |
| [21:59:09] | skd5aner: | iraq and afghanistan don't have a page |
| [21:59:22] | justinh: | Widget: I'd fix the aerial |
| [21:59:27] | skd5aner: | no surprise here – http://www.southparkstudios.com/layout/common . . . sages/ca.jpg |
| [21:59:33] | wizbit: | justinh: would you like to look at my box? |
| [21:59:42] | skd5aner: | that sounds dirty |
| [21:59:44] | stuartm: | Widget: there are channels available on Freeview which aren't (yet) on Freesat and vice-versa, but overall Freesat |
| [21:59:59] | Widget: | ah, controversy :) |
| [22:00:00] | Seeker`: | stuartm: depends if you want dave/yesterday |
| [22:00:01] | stuartm: | Widget: but I have both |
| [22:00:12] | ** Seeker` has DVB-T1 and DVB-S2 ** | |
| [22:00:26] | justinh: | if you do fit a dish, go with a 60cm one though. Sky minidishes suck |
| [22:00:43] | Widget: | I've been using freesat (in myth) until I moved last week, and generally it's felt to me that bitrates are slightly higher but the channel choice is worse |
| [22:00:45] | justinh: | ooo it's snowing. Oh, no signal |
| [22:00:46] | Seeker`: | I hate that sky have bought all of HBO's content with an exclusive license |
| [22:00:53] | justinh: | ooo it's raining... Oh. no signal |
| [22:01:01] | Widget: | that could be because i haven't retuned for a few years |
| [22:01:04] | justinh: | I hate Sky. End of story :-) |
| [22:01:16] | Seeker`: | well, yes :P |
| [22:01:31] | Widget: | if i got a dish, i'd get a freesat provider again rather than sky |
| [22:01:33] | stuartm: | Widget: yeah, it's hit and miss really, higher bitrates on some channels, lower on others, there really isn't a clear winner |
| [22:01:50] | justinh: | it's mostly their customers' own fault though. Sky customers put up with so much crap it's unbelievable |
| [22:01:57] | Widget: | the only thing that worries me is it will be considerably more expensive to do the antenna fit |
| [22:02:07] | justinh: | oh snow on the dish eh? well, no live tv for you, and certainly no watching your recordings |
| [22:02:21] | justinh: | and they STILL PAY |
| [22:02:35] | Widget: | actually i take that back, i don't know why my current antenna doesn't work, could just be a fault in the house |
| [22:02:56] | justinh: | if I was paying £600 a year for teevees I'd sure as heck want it working 24/7/365 |
| [22:02:56] | stuartm: | Sky only got into so many homes in the 90s because they offered WWF ... doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about their core customer base? |
| [22:03:24] | stuartm: | justinh: I was knocking snow off the dish with a broom the other night :) |
| [22:03:32] | Widget: | freeview does have the advantage that it feels further from sky, admittedly ;) |
| [22:03:35] | justinh: | Sky only got into my parents house in the 1990s because my Dad's mate offered him a card thingy. LOL |
| [22:03:36] | stuartm: | luckily I could reach it from the window |
| [22:04:09] | justinh: | his mate, who ended up doing a 5 year stretch for his trouble too. heh |
| [22:04:22] | justinh: | stuartm: so even 60cm dishes are plagued by snow? eeps |
| [22:05:17] | ** justinh can still remember when Sky One was free ** | |
| [22:05:20] | stuartm: | justinh: only because it had built up so deep on the arm that it was blocking line of sight between the lnb and dish |
| [22:05:39] | justinh: | ah |
| [22:06:32] | justinh: | I'll have a think on about this matter of putting a record button on every item in the mythweb guidegrid but I don't think it'll be pretty |
| [22:06:43] | stuartm: | didn't happen once last year when we had so much more snow, but the lack of wind the one night we got snow this year allowed it to settle there in depth |
| [22:06:44] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why anyone over here would want to watch wrestling, someone over in the UK watching it is inconceivable |
| [22:07:01] | wizbit: | i keep on playing HD video clips even though i havent got a HDTV |
| [22:07:02] | Widget: | don't suppose anyone here can recommend an aerial engineer near northampton? |
| [22:07:08] | justinh: | heh. nope |
| [22:07:20] | Widget: | doesn't hurt to ask :) |
| [22:07:38] | kormoc: | To do what? Align your aerial? |
| [22:07:40] | ** Seeker` didn't notice any freesat problems last weekend, had a good 4" of snow ** | |
| [22:07:44] | justinh: | I might have to go there next week.. site survey to work out how to fit cameras to some listed building |
| [22:07:56] | Seeker`: | no idea what sort of dish we have though |
| [22:07:59] | justinh: | hopefully won't though.. that isn't my job! |
| [22:07:59] | stuartm: | I installed my own dish and loft aerial, but it's best not to do that unless you're completely comfortable with it |
| [22:08:06] | Widget: | kormoc: i have an antenna on the roof, and a panel in the wall in the living room, from which i can't get any signal |
| [22:08:09] | Seeker`: | justinh: duct tape |
| [22:08:18] | Widget: | kormoc: that's all i know about the installation at the moment |
| [22:08:20] | stuartm: | I'd do the roof aerial but I don't have the ladders for that |
| [22:08:20] | justinh: | Seeker`: lol |
| [22:08:45] | justinh: | we got a new aerial & down cable when I moved in here.. cost about £50 back then 10 years ago or so |
| [22:09:04] | stuartm: | yeah, it's not excessive by any standard |
| [22:09:05] | Widget: | northampton is poorly served by freeview, it's very far from the nearest; sandy heath, so it's got to be on the roof, and extended to reach over a hill in the way |
| [22:09:06] | kormoc: | Widget, seems overly costly to hire an engineer to do that for you |
| [22:09:14] | Widget: | justinh: oh that's less than i thought |
| [22:09:19] | Seeker`: | I already had an aerial/sat point in the room when I moved in to my flat. It seems that using the sat point reduces DVB-T signal to about 40% |
| [22:09:52] | Widget: | kormoc: well i don't know what needs doing yet. If it's a problem on the roof I'm not going up there |
| [22:09:53] | stuartm: | Widget: no local repeaters? |
| [22:09:56] | Widget: | stuartm: no |
| [22:10:14] | Widget: | and also sandy heath freeview is slightly out of band, so perhaps a proper wideband digital antenna might be beneficial |
| [22:10:47] | Widget: | Seeker`: using it as opposed to? |
| [22:11:01] | Seeker`: | not using it |
| [22:12:22] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: it's the ex-wife's Prius anyways |
| [22:12:59] | stuartm: | Seeker`: interesting, I've just installed a quadplexer to allow me a second DVB-S2 tuner without additional cabling and it made no appreciable impact on signal strength/quality |
| [22:13:20] | stuartm: | I guess it depends on the quality of the hardware |
| [22:14:22] | Widget: | actually, I suppose I haven't taken the patch panel off the wall to check it's not something really obvious in that |
| [22:16:19] | justinh: | Widget: if the mounts are still good, that takes most of the hard work out |
| [22:16:31] | stuartm: | Widget: could be that simple or if the installation is old enough then cable damage (even UV resistant cable sheathing fails eventually allowing water in) |
| [22:16:34] | justinh: | depends how the cable is routed though, if it needs replaced |
| [22:17:13] | Seeker`: | stuartm: I have a wall plate with 3 sockets; FM, ANT and SAT |
| [22:17:53] | Seeker`: | stuartm: I plugged in something to the SAT socket (had'nt used it before) and the signal on my ANT socket dropped by 10–15 percentage points |
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| [22:18:48] | markcerv: | justinh – without having looked at mythweb, one solution would be to use jquery to have the record button get recorded on the fly, rather than to "insert it" next to every item. |
| [22:18:55] | Widget: | justinh: they must be, it's on like a 5m extension, and it's still straight |
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| [22:19:18] | Widget: | stuartm: yes, no idea the age |
| [22:19:29] | stuartm: | Seeker`: yeah, that's a quad/triplexed signal, all three are combined onto a single cable by a box somewhere (loft/or externally) and then split out again at the plate |
| [22:19:30] | Widget: | stuartm: hopefully the internal cable is okay though |
| [22:19:52] | Seeker`: | I imagine its cheap hardware then |
| [22:20:11] | justinh: | cheap diplexer |
| [22:20:47] | stuartm: | Seeker`: a poor quality quad/tri/diplexer without enough signal separation or shielding (or drawing power) |
| [22:21:14] | Seeker`: | reception on DVB-T is still acceptable though. And I've got switchover coming in 2 months. |
| [22:21:20] | stuartm: | I've no idea of the relative quality of the one I've installed but it works well enough (Labgear) |
| [22:21:57] | ** Beirdo is looking forward to the baseball season ** | |
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| [22:23:44] | Widget: | thanks for the thoughts guys, I will look into fixing my terrestial link |
| [22:23:46] | Widget: | bed first though |
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| [22:25:08] | Seeker`: | stuartm: the DVB-T hardly works in any of the other rooms, so I wouldn't be surprised if they used dirt cheap cables and hardware |
| [22:25:59] | justinh: | back in the day unless they were doing a big distributed system the cable they'd use you'd be lucky if it was 60% screened |
| [22:27:21] | justinh: | the only way to do multiroom RF is with a proper powered splitter/amp – no matter how good your signal |
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| [22:36:10] | justinh: | anyhow.. jquery eh? I can tick that off on my buzzword bingo sheet :P |
| [22:36:33] | markcerv: | :) |
| [22:38:16] | markcerv: | justinh – I'm looking at mythweb/tv/list right now in a browser, and i think what would make sense, is to add that button, to the blue box "details" box when you hover over a show title. |
| [22:40:29] | justinh: | yeah that might do it. when I get around to it, then I'll have to peek at master & play with it there if it's to see the light of day. for all I know it's already there ;) |
| [22:41:23] | markcerv: | would need to change the code that makes it follow the cursor, otherwise would never be able to enter the 'details' box! |
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| [22:44:46] | justinh: | heh |
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| [22:45:51] | justinh: | I guessed earlier that maybe just a new class is needed – click on it & it generates the form page & submits a simple rule entry |
| [22:46:17] | justinh: | then all it'll need is a new link inserted in each grid box |
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| [22:49:01] | justinh: | actually could be as simple as just copying the detail.php file & messing it around a bit |
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| [23:05:31] | justinh: | gah. I need to be much much more awake to do this |
| [23:05:38] | ** justinh goes to bed ** | |
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| [23:43:27] | Seeker`: | Just had a recording fail, it seems that the backend was trying to tune to the wrong channel |
| [23:43:32] | Seeker`: | any idea what could cause it to do that? |
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